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Hello, Mark. Moo. I'm Fi. I'm Cathy.
I'm Abyss. And I am Boogie. And here we are. Here we are.
Show 11, motherfucker. 11. 11. We're now in C10 was like, you know, okay, we made it to 10.
And now it's just. It's the show turns to 11. We go up to 11. 11.
You guys went spinal tap on us today. All right. That's obviously we have nothing for Potato Mayha. Let's do it.
Wait, we have a jingle. Potato mayha. That's not a jingle. Why don't I go jingle into a jingle?
Because we have, you know, I don't want to go into. Well, I don't want to go into. You know, so I didn't want a big jingle. So we're here.
I was expecting a little more than that. Who did something? I got strep throat again. Isn't that awesome?
I was out all last week with the same strep throat. That was exciting. So exciting that you keep getting that at my house. That's great.
Coming up, baby. That was the extent of your week. All right. No.
What did you do? I took my friend, TMG, who was one of our spankies on the wheel. A couple episodes ago, I took her to her first dungeon party. Nice.
She looked really nice. Yeah. And we got Violet wanted in my nipples burnt. Oh, yay.
Did you do that? Well, okay. Here's the thing. It happened Wednesday and then I went again on Saturday and then then Violet wanted again.
One of the two burnt my nipple. But I think it happened before. I think it happened on Wednesday. But it might have happened again on Saturday.
I'm a nice Violet Wander. That makes you burn her nipple. I'm a nice. I'm a nice Violet Wander.
Yeah. That was Wednesday. I'm a nice Violet Wander. Oh, man.
You're rock star. Fucking man, dude. Fucking man. Oh, man.
You had to stard her. Calm down, Fief. Greet. Sorry.
Let's go on to a disc. Hey. This had the fun stuff. I went to, I ended up in Buffalo, New York for a Harry Potter themed wedding, which was totally amazing.
That's cool. Did you guys go divorces sooness? No, actually. I'm sure leading for these two.
They didn't appreciate that level of spell. No, I actually am truly. Most of the time I'm like, what are you doing? These two I'm cheerleading for.
And I also planted the PB flag. Yay! That was very sexy. That was very sexy.
Alright, so what do we, we just got to, that was it. That was it. That was by far the worst, lamest and most uninteresting potato mayhem. Hey, Harry Potter fucking way.
Hey, what's up? They were like the place where you want a cornstool a, but then they fuck each other in the asshole's horns because that's the kind of freakies shit that happens on their lives. That life.com is the world's greatest social media site for Kinky people and every week we talk a little bit about the stuff that that people are talking about. For your peace of mind, please know that every group or blog post we talk about has specifically granted us permission to do so.
Mm-hmm. That's right. We're going to be talking about polyamory and it's from one of our, yes, twice. Just because you're not good at it boogie doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about it.
Oh, oh. Ding, ding, ding. Oh, and looking, working a bit. Totally red face.
Well, thank you very much. Thank you, Kathy. This is coming from one of our affiliate groups, which is amazing. I love this group practicing polyamory is the name of it.
That is awesome. It's a thread called is polyamory primarily a holding pattern. Someone asking that because I really cannot pronounce her name. She's such a sweetheart though.
Neo-Lodia. I'm not getting that right. Nickelodeon? It's an awesome talent.
She says it seems like even those who proclaim poly so strongly often end up defaulting to monogamy. Many people live poly as a way of quote unquote keeping their options open until they find the person that they really want to devote their full time life to. I see you blinking fee. Because that is exactly what I'm doing right now.
I am not poly but I am, let's call it practicing with my air quotes. I am practicing because right now I have multiple partners, play partners and that is what it is and they're all poly because everybody's poly but I'm not and as soon as I find my one person, you're out. I'm out. I mean, I love you all and you're my best friends and I dig you but I'm not playing with you more once I have someone.
But that's poly play. You're already done buddy. You're already off the roster and relax. That would be poly play though.
There are a lot of us that are, we do poly play and that's different from polyamory. So I'm trying to understand what the concept here. That's like I'm just, I mean like with fi she's not poly so she's poly pretending we know that. So you're talking about people who are like deceptive when they go into the relationship where they just don't get it themselves.
I think what I got from her whole thing was that she was, she had been practicing poly the poly lifestyle and she had faith in a lot of her poly partners that she wouldn't be pushed out for somebody else because they were practicing poly and instead a lot of the people she kept running into were basically, oh I'm poly I'm poly I'm poly I'm poly we're great we're great we're great and then she they meet somebody and she gets kicked off to the side. I also looked at this way. It's also called dating. I mean back in the day you used to date you would date multiple people until you quote unquote when steady was somebody.
Will you go with me? Go with me. Go with me. Go to the movies.
No, go with me. So basically I can understand where this person is coming from but I think it is kind of a broad spectrum saying that everyone in her area is just waiting for the right monogamous relationship. I don't think that everyone's doing that but I do think there's a lot of people who call what they do poly and it's not really poly it's like what Abyss is saying it's either dating or it's poly play like what I'm doing and it's it's not necessarily but poly it's just like this really easy all encompassing word that means I do things with more than one person to a lot of people and it's not necessarily the exact relationship dynamic. I think it also comes down first off can we all just don't technical note can we just call this Ollie Amory because every fucking P is just all as the engineer I'm like oh my god what can I do?
I think it's Ollie Amory's relationship. I think also what might be happening I mean is this person in Ollie Amory's relationships with with Eeple that aren't necessarily long-term or experienced. No she's very clear to say that this is just in her experience. She doesn't know why she comes across this time and time again that is people who just actively proclaim that poly is a thing and that they're poly only to find that they turn around and they find V1 and they drop everybody else and suddenly they're no longer polyamorous they're monogamous.
I ran into a friend that threshold this weekend who had always been Ollie Amory's and so I was like catching up with her and like I was going she's like well I'm monogamous now and I was like what? So it's not for everybody everyone defines themselves so I mean you can evolve as you want you may think you're Ollie Amory's and then you know discover. Develop into non-monogamous or whatever I mean we're not telling people who to be I mean people do develop any relationship because what was it was it in that post that was like oh people only last two years. Oh yeah that was something that only people only last in poly two years I'm like which is dangerous for us because we just two years actually Abyss and I we've known each other for two years now.
There's no jingle for that. So sorry you. Abyss is not a projibil. Oh no.
Well I'll just. But I think I think that goes in any relationship if you look at the ratio of how long relationships last in general I don't think it's just a poly thing. Well I'm sorry. Okay I also think that like it or not we are hardwired almost to be monogamous it's just drilled into us from from day one everything that we see is monogamous.
Not everything. No but it doesn't matter because in our formative years that's what we saw from our parents to our movies books everything that we saw was monogamous it's very difficult to get away from that no matter how we may stand there say logically speaking rationally speaking when polyamory makes a whole lot of sense but it's very difficult to get away from that because I think it's just hardwired into us. So you think it's it's see I don't know well I guess because I've been I had the same programming with the you know the Christianity and all the shit that I was in but I mean I was I have never been good at monogamy I have always just died in flaming crash of death. Because you're doing real stellar in poly?
You know what I know you know what I've been this relationship I had two years I lusted after her today and and we still have hot sex and I'm still into her I'm still engaged in this environment that we're doing obviously there are problems there's problems in any fucking relationship I mean to say that this is just exclusive to poly is just retarded but I'm more engaged longer in this relationship than I've ever been in any other relationship. And you and Mark have been coming up on quite a while too. We're just about I don't know about a year in one year so poly does work and now we're going to talk about more poly is that what it is now is long because poly poly poly poly poly is great poly is hard poly is sexy fucking hard I need some poly sanity. Polyamory can be amazing but without hard work it can plunge headfirst into a trash compactor of sizzling sodomist death.
Now here to help you navigate communicate and negotiate your way through your wild poly adventure. We have to read this shit. It's our effort now. Okay well have a production meeting this was out of town.
Look I also wanted to mention first that we have a new affiliate that I didn't mention during FET Life and that is a sound spanking. No. You guys we did one of their we did one of their things last week but this is they actually we did the official thing they're official now a sound spanking which is a great group because I'm just a huge spanker we're all huge spankos so that's a great new one of our affiliates and so yeah who made the call to go polyamorous discussion to do polyamorous because you yes because we had fiance up next up there and then you just it says right here FET Life stuff poly sanity it says it right in front of me. We went over it could we just go over it.
It's really hard. You know what here's deal this isn't really a polyamorous issue there's a polyamorous scenario that happened that brought about this topic but this is not this is any relationship because you can be jealous of a nogamous relationship. You can be envious in the relationship and so today what I was going to talk about was the difference between envy and jealousy because a lot of people think jealous jealous and they don't identify the fact that it may be just slightly different and fall into envy and we have a book in our community called the Ethical Slet I don't know do you know who the authors of that. You read it but yeah Google the Ethical Slet and it's not just about polyamorous relationships it's about relationships in general and so I don't feel bad going into poly sanity now because this is really any relationship is going to deal with envy and jealousy and I think it's important to differentiate in that book the Ethical Slet and like chapter 13 or whatever it really talks about knowing the differences because if you know the differences like you're going to have a feeling and then once you have that feeling you need to really identify with yourself what are you actually experiencing and if you kind of label it one thing then you kind of go down that road like one of them is about resentment and the other one is just about possession and something that you didn't get and so I read up I looked up the difference between envy and jealousy and I got this in one of the dictionary sites it says envy denotes a longing to possess something awarded to or achieved by another to feel envy when a friend inherits a fortune whereas jealousy on the other hand denotes a feeling of resentment that another has gained something that more rightfully you deserve or that you feel it to feel jealousy like a coworker receives a promotion that you feel you worked for that would be more of a jealousy because now you resent the coworker you're angry at the boss or whatever if you're angry that your coworker got it but you think that you should have had it too is that envy or jealousy that would be that would be that would be jealousy I mean it's like it's okay that my coworker got it I just wanted to yeah it's well that would be if you're not if you don't have I guess the resentment would be more in the jealousy and the envy is to want what the other person is getting that you don't have the way it was explained to me or it was actually I believe in the ethical slot how I took away from it was with envy it's something that you wanted like you were envious of the time they spent together and you and what I boiled down to was that your needs weren't being met you were feeling ignored or whatever you were envious of that versus jealousy where jealousy is possessive jealousy is I deserve that because that person is taking something away from me that was mine that's how I was took away from I agree it almost seems like when you use a word jealous there seems to denote some feeling of anger toward the other person because they have something that rightfully belongs to you so that is aggression that is directed at someone else and envy you're envious of the situation and would like to have it with someone else or even with that person but I think it went it's poison to have to be jealous because it really is an ugly angry feeling directed at another human being and if you could rip that away from them you would and you would keep it for yourself absolutely I had an experience recently I had a few experiences recently and this is where I talked about you know I guess this is gonna be my fun day usually I don't like to feel I like to be mr.
Spock from Star Track I would love to have minimal to no emotions whatsoever and just be really smart instead I'm trapped inside this Kirk body who obviously is the raging emo fucking later Kirk you know so I had to deal with both of these very recently and usually I try to be like I'm gonna be the advanced guy you know in in our relationship my relationship with the best my relationship with Mark and that I don't want to be the guy this is all about who I want to be this is my identity but it doesn't always necessarily mean this is who I am and that's what I have to struggle with and the situation that came up over the last couple weeks really I had to really struggle with who I want to be versus who I really am and I had to struggle with these terms because I got envious jealous and resentful and I fucking despised myself for it it was something that I really felt a lot of shame because I try so hard to be cool and oh we don't have to talk about it you be your person I'll be my person you know I don't want to be like this hoarding you know jealous person so I really try to just say yeah make your decisions man you know I'm good with it and I'm really not I just have to really admit that these feelings are gonna come up and I need to take care of myself the situation was first Mark goes like Mark when Mark and I started there was no she had no super interest in girls whatever she had you know maybe tried some things but never really and we had you know through our developing our thing we developed all these fantasies of you know oh doing you know of course she wants to do lots of stuff do a bit but you know and that just hasn't happened yet but we were developing developing and then like a couple weeks ago she's like hey I'm gonna go and give oral to Gina with Jean and Jeremy we have their permission to say their names and they're awesome I fucking love these people this isn't an issue with them at all and once again the cool part of me is like hey you know what do what you got to do and so she went off and did that and I walked by and I saw that whole interaction taking place and instantly I'm like my fucking chest because here's some guy that's doing the thing that I was you know like that was supposed to be me you know doing that and so she was doing that having a great time she had an enjoyable time was a great experience like I said I love everybody but that shitty feeling came out and then a week later a Bisco's and starts a sexual relationship with another guy which is the first time she's done that in like a year and a half and so it's you know it was awkward enough with girls but just a little back pedaling I fucking hate men I traditionally don't like men so it's really difficult for me to put my head around that she would go and start having sex with somebody and so once again I'm like no no do what you got to do you know why this is important blah blah blah blah and then she's like okay great so she goes he does it and I'm just like and I'm trying to be cool but inside I'm just it wasn't even whether it was envy or jealousy and then like a week later Mark then once again goes and plays with Jeremy and Gina again and Jeremy beats the shit out of her which is the first time that's ever happened in our relationship that she went and bottomed heavy to another dude and so like all of a sudden like this short amount of time I felt like I'm losing my possessions these are the I did so much work and whatever so I really had to identify what those feelings were and is this envy is this jealousy is this everything one of the topics that they cover in the ethical sled is they a lot of times say you have to name your feelings and by doing that you look at the actual feeling by saying jealousy I was jealous I was jealous that's normally an umbrella for other emotions and other fears and insecurities so when you actually look at it you had a fear of abandonment you had a fear of loss you had a fear that your work had just gone down the drain and they were they were just gonna flitter away and everything you had done was over and for nothing and you're feeling under loved and under appreciated and these are all feelings you're allowed to have you know but by just calling a jealousy that's not looking at the actual issue it's looking at the scab that's over the wound and I had to do this because much like you're freak out many months ago I had a pretty fucking epic meltdown and ended up going to therapy because I didn't like the way it made me feel I felt out of control like I wanted to be so desperately happy for you and Mark like honestly I wanted to like I knew it was a big occasion and you guys had worked so hard and you had developed into this thing and deep down I wanted to be happy for you but the surface me literally wanted to tear you both apart and set you on fire so I'm glad you did therapy you probably should I think some people I go ahead you can take it and I'll I think thank you for sharing that because that's not an easy thing to admit it and I think that it takes I'm gonna compliment you so don't get all but heard on me right but I think it takes a tremendous amazing human being to be able to do that because not a lot of us can because you could very easily just said well that's just who I am and I'm not gonna change but to sit there and examine at what point envy became jealousy and what's going on inside of me and how can I take this apart not a lot of people do that and it poisons the relationship but it is in my experience a very difficult thing to do to sit there and really examine your mind your emotions your life what it is that's going on like like this just said what's underneath that scab what is causing this work it through come out the other end few days later you're okay I think so and I think what I came down mostly that it wasn't even because there wasn't anger towards you know this is new lever or Jeremy I don't give a fucking dude I mean I love Jeremy maybe there was something that he's like one of the only daddies in you know our community that I know and I like really really respect maybe there was something there you know that there was a like a I did all the fucking work you fucking fucking muppet looking mother but you know I love him but I think what I really came down to is I wasn't angry at anybody but myself for having those feelings and it was about possession and so my way was to detach and to just say I'm not gonna possess and I don't know anybody and that's who I should be anyway because the thing the standard I call myself to that I don't necessarily feel but and we're all like this we all now all three of us have talked I have no problem fucking in playing other people I mean it's great not gonna affect my relationship with a biz or mark I feel really comfortable with it I just don't want them to play with anybody else and we all feel like that we have now all admitted that that is how we are just complete narcissist that and and there are people that do that there are dominance that say well I can play with whoever I want but you can't play with anyone but me and that is just insanely fucking douchey that is just somebody who is totally afraid to go inside themselves and I can't even if I wanted to be that person I can't be that person because I would know that that is just such a shitty fearful thing to do and this also it's not just for poly I have had I have had gut wrenching and horrific monotonous relationships where I let nothing but fear and jealousy drive the bus like every dude I was bad like if I saw if some girl check out my man oh hell no there was gonna be some fucking nails popping off and that bitch was going down I mean I'm I haven't actually talked to you guys about it yet but I'm experiencing a similar problem issue whatever it's it's envy it's not jealousy because I don't want to take it away from anybody but I have not gotten as much play as I used to get from bookie and it bothers me and it has been I'm struggling with it a lot and it's again not something I've actually brought up to you yet because we have not been alone in a room in like four weeks so you're gonna do it now in the show right well why not we're talking about our listeners expect this to be kind of real I feel like all the listeners just sat for it really but it is it's it's difficult to fucking handle because I don't I'm feeling like well here's what he's doing and not doing in all the ways that I'm feeling wrong but it's really me just being angry with myself for wanting something that's not mine and I go and go what you need to read this book honey because it actually talks about how a finding your needs to get met and this at the other and it talks about how as humans we define relationships by what it's not not by what it is so if we look at a relate you know but yeah I have a great relationship and I honestly have to keep looking at it from that angle and go we do amazing things I love 98% of the things we do and we can talk and we have a great connection and this at the other but when I go into the not so happy place all I can think about is what the fuck is he doing with her why doesn't he fucking do that with me we've talked about it this at the other and everything that we have as a foundation is just something going hey guys I'm still here I don't want to talk you right now I don't care I'm still here so I have to constantly remind myself of what the relationship is and I think that's something you had to retouch on as well absolutely and I just want to say you guys are not the everyone here has said a story about what I've had my issues too I don't want the listeners thinking that I have it because I also have a thing I had a partner once who I played with who was started playing with someone else and this flaming jealousy just came up my head felt like it was in flames I was so livid and I had to stop and pull back and what I realized was I hated admitting this but the person he was playing with represented everything that I felt I had missed in life and wanted to be she was young thin energetic fearless smart as a whip everything I wanted to be and once I removed that I knew that's the shit I had to deal with that that belonged to me didn't belong to anyone else and once I was able to deal with that then it was just plain old envy then it was just once you remove all that crap just like everyone here all you wonderful people have just talked about you sit there you do the work you pull it apart you find out where you should is also and I'm gonna point out I'm gonna pull a bookie line here then you gotta love yourself because you are smart and energetic and a fucking fabulous person so please don't ever forget that and I'm sure you suck a dick I do suck a dick that's right that's right I surmised with my two things yes thank you this this is turning the biggest giant time emo pile is shit I knew this was gonna have our listeners are all fast forward over over whatever hey sometimes we need to do this too I surmised with this and once again this is my theme in life the more self worth I have the less I feel envious of what other people have the more self worth I have the less possession I feel of another and their need to validate me and that's kind of how I got through that is I don't have to possess either of you I just have to love you let you love me and then we all fucking have a bunch of hippie cool fucking kinky sex I put out toys in both your asses and and life is good and I found two new play partners to replace bogey congratulations nice hey you know what I will stepping stone hello it's on my profile hey also I'd like to point out this push your ass out to go check some shit I guess it's a good thing yeah the only is often intellectual with logical thoughts expressed but it's hard to pay attention whenever she talks because we can't stop staring at her days next minute today all right this day will be the angry emo show it is and and okay so because I'll guess to add an extra week that it's not end of the month but it is it is shark week bitches all right get the josh anyway so back in I don't know what episode I talked about the guy I met at the supermarket like two or something yeah all right and so then he tried to make a date with me and and and he was just pulling a lot of red flags a lot of those things that later on when you go on the date with a guy and then you have like a three-year relationship with him and it all comes crashing down and your friends whoa that's going to quickly and then when you're like crying over crying over crying over crying over like a beer or an ice cream pint with your friends and you're like and then he did this and you're like yeah you should have seen it coming he did that from the very fucking beginning why didn't you see that coming also I wish friends well it happens though like if they would have said something to you would you don't understand our love yeah he got out of prison but he's better and I think he was innocent there were times in my youth where where guys would pull that shit on me where it's like oh can we meet up and I'll be like 10 o'clock on a Thursday and because I get off work later I just got in for Medi-Town and I'm actually married exactly exactly and when I was younger I'd fall for that shit and I would think that it was a date or it was a budding relationship and it was actually just a booty call and over time I learned the signs of guys who were just being douchebags so by the way booty call is not a bad thing I had one recently I'm all good with a booty call but everyone is aware but that's what it is I don't like it when they're lying and making something happen that is that not both parties are aware of so then this actually involves the ferrets blog about a teachable asshole he's he was talking about assholes and this thing was about double dipping the chips and he didn't know it was kind of a douchebag maneuver until he saw that sign filled episode and then also he was like oh my god I've been double dipping all this time and all my friends think I'm a dick I can see didn't recognize that it was a douchey thing to do no one ever told him and gross he didn't he never thought about it so now he's now he's like okay he doesn't double dip anymore he knows it's a douchebag thing but there are still people who probably grossed out when they think about him at a party because this is a thing he did for so long so I started to think how many guys that I went on for two dates with no idea what you're talking about I'll get there you can read the fuck you should let me buy her under when she is bleeding like dying animal I fucking hate Lois I was thinking how many times did I turn some guy down for a second date because he did a couple of things on the first date that I thought were douchey that were actually it was teachable douche it was like oh he did something that I could I could have taught him that that was not a cool thing to do with like a spring bottle right and how many times did I just avoid that situation with my friends three years later when they're like yeah you shouldn't know better he's been doing this all along and so I the blog post that I was talking about kind of got popular and it was called earn the benefit because that benefit of the doubt happens when you were my friend first when you're my friend first and you do something douchey then I will say hey friend you did this thing it was kind of douchey I didn't like it made me feel bad and we have to talk about it and it's all good but if you do it on the first date I'm not giving you the benefit of the doubt you just you just fucked yourself dude because I have no interest now in moving forward with you and that's because guys are assholes man oh yeah super market guy oh take it back to that didn't hear him he made the date he broke the date that's fine because I don't want to fucking do the date anyway but then seven I hear nothing from him and then seven weeks later he sends me a text hey what's up and I'm like seriously what did you just wake up from a fucking coma and decide to call me where have you been for seven bucking weeks asshole and then I didn't want to date in the first place I'm a little scared therapy honey seriously we may want to take a look at this therapy option I don't mean therapy is hard to work with when she is leaving like the dying animal I agree with that it's Lois I didn't want to talk about it I didn't mean to do something like her ask your mouth is okay when you are a computer you know it's your hand oh my god that cop would fit my pussy like a glove that's it I like how he's just cracking this way Kathy should let them to the right look you show the rest of us what hey hey Lois is trying to say something to Kathy what Kathy should let people invite her underwear I hate you and I am never confiding in you again you are a bad bad man wait there's a story like that we don't know if my underwear has holes in it went on Amazon and tried to buy me underwear and I went to him Kathy should let people buy her underwear I heard biting her biting you know what I when I when I first did the thing I thought it was by as in like she would sell her panties I you know I would do anything from some guy I can hook you up he was like a hundred bucks repair panties and like twenty bucks repair sweatsocks or something you got it nice and then you can just enjoy these what are we gonna do to adjust jealous because more boys play games on me then you get your goddamn hand away from that computer it's Lois I'm building the rage oh wait so what are we gonna do with all this rage yes wait now I gotta there Jago so I guess for these bloodlets now that we have a jingle for it you guys just laughed all over we're gonna teach me to explore her topi side mark are you gonna volunteer okay well then get up there and that's it but the guy can come on people tempo tempo why do we need a gag on mark because she has a very distinguishable laugh and we want her to sound like she's suffering turn around hang on a sec abyss you want to go help with this get up and over there because this is fees blood lust abyss is now going to gag mark which I believe this is passive aggressive working itself out yeah let her let her breathe a little bit don't let her breathe so um so fee today we're gonna deal with paddles right okay so now with paddles once again it's the same thing with the spanking you want to check for the tailbone to make sure you're not whacking the tailbone that's just more my thing um mark is mark gnoming on abysses boobs why does the camera not point there why that's it okay get up get her on her hands and knees hands and knees oh oh pull her pants down pull her pants down and let me see god damn it there we go there go now stick your ass in the air that's it now then fee I want you to approach mark's ass and I want you to put your thumb over her i put your thumb right upper ass that's yes we put an outside there last week was good now with your other hand are you gonna go right or left okay put your left hand on check with the tailbone and now give her a nice good squat on that lower portion of her ass avoiding the tailbone avoiding the tailbone lust okay go that's good i recognize that muffles you said a little harder i thought this was your fucking lust i'm working hard to work with when she is sleeping like a dying animal lowest is talking smack about you fucking loics get her why am i always working that is so awesome get her get her get her get her get her get her look wait abyss abyss abyss is getting in there try something else try something out make her spin the wheel well you spin the wheel on her behalf because she harasses up in the air spin that wheel because abyss wants to do things too all right what she's just sneaking in swats this is the most after 11 shows we were still completely disorganized and now the wheel is spinning the wheel is spinning it's going i can't read those things and almost can't oh so and cane all right now this is taking over here she's like get the fuck out of my way for you you enjoyed your blood lust all right oh that's a good sound right over the condenser mic yeah that's it okay that go ahead and build her up so now a cane has many different sensations there's the initial sting the pain and then the warmth ready and you know this one experience oh oh god awesome she's lapping marks just giggling she's the funniest reaction to canes oh man oh that's a good one got a little bit like i'm an engineer if i can jerken off over here that fucking sound i love audio you have oh did you just a little bit more she did get her harder ready i'm just gonna start just fe's head is buried in her hands feet is not like fe is no longer blood lusty she's hiding from the cane cathe is masturbating her cooch that is my cane did you just break my cave did you just break her cane that's why you don't use handles oh handles on cane suck well then hit her again with it this was where no no no where did it splinter up here okay yeah you go toss it then yeah once there is a splinter on your canes hit her with the other side turn it over and hit her with a handle yeah uh to the boys and girls so the boys and girls out there in perverted podcast land once you splinter your cane if it is in the hitting surface of the game you must now put down the cane because you're gonna now shove splinters in the bottom of your bottom which is now an excuse for me to go by another cane now you got to get another cane so you can either tape it it'll make the feeling different and it's done yes all right that's it but it's now the nicest cane ever because it is unusable now yeah we're gonna save that for the silent auction when we have our perverted podcast fundraiser december 20 day after christmas oh look you get hugs they're cuddling that was just completely on the boob you guys have that boob moment uh mark we need a biz back wait a minute she's nomin on her boobs she was boobed now i like it i like it i like it i like it when you go big on my scott when you when you wrap up mark's mouth and you're you shove panties like the other day uh abyss and i were playing with mark on the cross at threshold and she's like i'm gonna take off my panties and shove them in her mouth it's gonna be all hot and so we fucking do it and then we saran wrap her face you know so it's like they're stuck in there and mark like a little cute goat just starts chewing the panties with those big freaking eyes of hers and just starts going round round the whole placey it was so funny it was so dark holy cute but yes totally trying to be fierce around you take my panties and damn it's you're all take them well that was awesome i'm i'm and now i oh Kathy and okay and now that was i'm like totally ready to just end the show and go and bless people that that was completely hot i was very very excited you're Kathy's giving me the thing what's next is a perverted mailbox it is okay listen to this that's not it i'm glad i'm glad you were listening though okay wait you're ready it's so zen i know i feel closer back to that one i don't know i'm gonna mailbox this week i'm perverted mailbox just a special little shout out to a couple new friends of ours so bbw baby girl eve um she wrote a blog about us she'll see the blog loved it so sweet she's very sweet um so she's been uh mainlining our podcast just like one after i was i was scrolling through fat like this weekend and i'm just saying i just finished episode three of p p and i was like wait do you mean us and she's like yeah i'm like oh cool and then like an hour later it's like i just finished episode four and i'm like two hours later i just finished episode six and i'm like holy shit she's bingeing on us that's awesome yes we've had a lot of bingers i mean people were like fuck it i mean 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low as you are correct um so she sent me this very sweet email about how she is really in love with like the podcast and she's supportive of blah blah blah okay thinking and i was out of town so i didn't get back to her and i get the thing saying friend request from so and i had read the thing and i'm like okay and so i go to do it and it's gone and i'm like oh okay did i delete it why i deleted everyone else so i'm like okay i go back and i send i send a request and then i get a message back and she literally is oh my god you know i didn't want to upset you because my head he said that i don't you don't accept friend request and now i have all it was super cute she's like and i was in a lot of pain it was a really shitty day and i'm really really really happy that you accept my you know i had all of you now and i'm like what am i like the difficult to get pokemon yes she's the fourth pokemon we've actually it's been it's been really awesome a lot of people have been sending their 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maybe girl leave and less from fbg for for mainlining our shit and all the other wonderful emails that we have gotten this week we love you guys too is that it but are we done with the show yet what what sometimes love is less than nice you may need some fucking advice right now love and sex questions answered by the sagely why isn't awesome uh because fuck at the more opinions you have the more choices you have it's super duper important that we remind you we are not therapist i am i am a therapist i am a therapist what we do is moderate moderate therapy please don't accept that because he does not actually have a degree in therapy continue i didn't say that i just do not let the fee finish finish the thing that we're not supposed to be reading go ahead anyway therapy please get real therapy that actually will do hey me here's my paypal i will give you therapy if you need actual therapy it is important and this is actually advice for play which is kind of cool uh so uh okay this was a few months ago so but back a few months away so the past six months i've enjoyed a daddy baby girl relationship with a sexy submissive she and i are loving our time together i hope we have many more years together last week she asked me for a play caller in my world a caller is a pretty significant thing and i'm not planning to actually quote unquote coloring her however a play caller would be great i know the notion definitely triggers a positive reaction to me any suggestions yes i'm like of course but he has a suggestion look as long as you can keep it in play and that you can negotiate very very carefully this is for play only because let me tell you we've we've gone through this uh to where the different times um abyss is not full time collared by me but she does have a caller and we have put it on at different times and once it was more uh more regular um if you do not negotiate the fact that that's going to come off at times it becomes a very safe kind of feeling i'm sure biscan sure more about that so if you're going to do a play caller make sure that you continually negotiate as you continue to play how are you with this or is this something you're getting attached to is this changing the dynamic of how you feel about me is this putting you in a different headspace because if left unattended that can start to get really emotional and then it's no longer about play it happened with me um when i had a uh long distance relationship with the with the dumb over Skype and i lost a bet when the USA and Portugal played in the world cup and and what we both lost because they tied so um he had to send me a cock shot and i had to wear a caller every time we played online um but i started to get attached to the caller and when it started getting to the point where i would take it off to go to work and drop on my way to work and start crying like all the time and and we got to the point where he was like okay don't think you should be wearing that anymore because it's you're getting attached to it in a different way so it's definitely got to keep an eye on that i mean for me now um we've had good experiences with it uh i am at a position where my play partners i've i've played around a little bit with it but at this point i won't use play collars with my with people i'm playing with because to me it is i've been on the other side of it and you do get attached and it's trust me it's hot and sexy and it can put you in a very different headspace but i'm not willing to take that kind of drop or responsibility for the person wearing it at this time so i feel as a top i'm not i don't want to take the responsibility i don't think it's a good idea for me to do that so but if it's something that can add to your relationship i think it's great i mean it has before with us so i i'd like to say that i used to think i was so high and above all of this that it didn't bother me at all but a few months ago we have to play collars just so happens i got a story naked you suck boogie he goes call me that's not a few months ago yeah we had i have a play caller and he took it off and he let it drop on the floor and i freaked the fuck out inside you didn't say anything i just kind of looked i said i just i was thinking you mind not putting that on the floor i don't know why it just freaks me out and he said oh yeah sure no problem he had no clue and he just like took it out and he's on the with it no because it was at the end of a chain that was attached to the leg of his bed so it drops it just drops when he takes it off it comes down so you know i mean but i didn't know i never would have known it was a it's fun but i always knew it had meaning because it means something he puts it on me but i don't i didn't know it was going to affect me like that well there was that there was that time when when my ex and i were dialing back the the 24 7 ds aspect of our relationship and the caller signified were in play mode and off the collar meant girlfriend mode and so then it kind of was a little bit different because it was coming on and off regularly and putting it on signified it's play time um but taking it off was always a little difficult i never i because i didn't want to roll back with that ds so it was never easy for me to take it off so my advice to him would just be very cautious i mean it does it i mean i could see the pride and joy in boogie's eyes when he put it on me it was a very touching moment just be careful where it can lead to especially if you're not ready or wanting it to go to that place i will add one more thing that i just thought of um one of the things that we focused on and talked a lot about when you had that collar and when you started to get attached to that collar is that i wanted you to be uh more attentive to the actions that i did towards you in order to make you feel comfortable wearing that collar and that the the collar signified the fact that i put forth the effort and that we put forth the effort in what we're doing and that the collar is just a symbol of the actions that we took and so i think that's something really important that i like to point out about collars is that it's a thing it's just a fucking piece of leather when it comes down to it and it's it's my actions that go behind it that i want you to see more than just the fact that i'm putting a collar on you did i just bring down the whole mood new giant fucking bomber no but it is no it is um because all of the collars that i have were we're free i used to do reviews for sex toys and stuff like that so they were all we should be doing you tell them you send us your shit i'll review it i'm really good at writing um so but i have like 20 collars but they're all accessories none of them have emotional attachment to them none of them have special meaning but if somebody gives you a collar it's different that was a great question so please send in your kink levelation and sex questions and 100 words or less to perverted podcast at gmail.com and please put the word advice in the subject line oh my god i've been waiting for this i have dreamed of this for so long that we are going to just butcher this song i get it butcher that's good we are at the time of our end of show song and it is very important you guys i don't care if we fuck this up 800 times let's just do it this is a very important song that was what i was waiting for in the land of farms when there is injustice to cows no there is one cow that stood tall there's sidal maybe act when they tried to grab her two maker into veals something inside her snapples snap and she got the taste of blood like the ancient ninja that she picked up butchers balls in half higher she's been the butcher's balls in half lo this is amazing yeah everybody on their sidal mini act upon her escape her bloodless swell killing all across the land she shot a kid for drinking milk stabbed in memory and she was enthused with a burger in his hand some hippie tried to stop her by saying hey man some people love animals too she's had a spinning back how kick into his throat because he's wearing leather shoes then she sat on his face and poo poo poo poo looooooo hollies sidal mini i'm a crazy fucking cow fuck with and cut you down too long my cunt were me and passive now we're being deaf then my shit is massive like beef tricky well hey fuck you mcdonald's killed my people now i'm gonna kill you make story of pal proportions long cow went to a barbecue festival to kill the entire town where she slashed and she maimed and she traveled and she moved body parts flying all around dating my bakery ahhhhh die already you got me at it ahhh i'm stopped touching my under my mouth ahhh ahhh move move at the end of the day all the killing was done long cow knew she was through and she walked away to never be seen again but at night you might hear a move stirring her begins to stir stir stir stir don't bring the moon move mooooo heartless eggs are so confused hollies sidal mini hollies sidal mini you're the lost angel to surrounding areas in the threshold.org and find out about joining their kinky family thank you to all of our guests and hosts to be wooo abyss boogie boogie happy and to mark wooooo thank you for letting me hit you if you have questions, comments or ideas please email us at pervertedpods.com and visit the perverted podcast all right yes ahhhhh and finally please consider becoming a monthly supporter of fat life so we have something to actually talk about each week until next week my little cows my pretty piggy and my panty chewing goats hi cow hi cow hi what? do you only move yourself? what do you mean I only move for myself? yep abyss would benefit from anger management classes or at least a good enema go fuck yourself maybe get a two for one all right