*12.1 Makkos Daf 08 A (10 lines Up)*

*12.1 Makkos Daf 08 A (10 lines Up)**Summary*Mishna (11.3), Abba Shaul: Just like chopping wood is not a _mitzvah;_ one only goes to galus if he was not doing a _mitzvah._One of the Rabbanan said to Rava: Perhaps he went to chop wood for a _mitzvah?_Rava: Since he can use pre-chopped wood, the chopping is not a _mitzvah._*Ravina* challenged *Rava:* We learned in the mishna (11.3) “One only goes to _galus_ if he was not doing a _mitzvah_ . *If a father killed his son* while spanking him, or *a teacher killed his student,* they do not go into _galus._ ”In the _mishna_ too, *it is not the act which is a _mitzvah,_* but the desired result, the improved performance of the student; “If he had studied, it wouldn’t be a mitzvah” still we see it is considered a mitzvah?!*Rava:* It *is a _mitzvah_ to hit a child* even when he learns well as the verse states: “Chastise your son _(it’s a good investment!)_ and he’ll give you nachas, and he will send refreshments to your soul (once you go to the next world he will send up packages of good deeds).’ (see 12.4, 12.5).*Then Rava regretted* his explanation of the _mishna_ (11.6) and offered this explanation: The _possuk_ says: _*“Va’asher* yavo es rei’eihu bayaar_ (If someone happened to come to the forest with his fellow)”. This means that entering the woods was a matter of *his personal choice.* If the _possuk_ would be referring to someone entering the forest *for a _mitzvah_ the word _asher_ would not be appropriate.* See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. This podcast has been graciously sponsored by JewishPodcasts.fm. There is much overhead to maintain this service so please help us continue our goal of helping Jewish lecturers become podcasters and support us with a donation: https://thechesedfund.com/jewishpodcasts/donate