*12.5 Makkos Daf 08 B (4 lines after spreads)*

*12.5 Makkos Daf 08 B (4 lines after spreads)**Summary**Mishna:* A father goes into galus because of killing his son _[not during a mitzvah]._ A son goes into _galus_ because of his father.Anyone (including a ger or an eved) goes into galus for killing a Yisroel, and a Yisroel goes into galus for killing them, but not for killing a ger toshav.A ger toshav (only) goes into galus for killing a ger toshav _[this will be explained in the gemara. The Gra deletes the word “only” because a ger toshav also goes into galus for killing a Yisroel]._*Gemara:**Challenge:* Didn’t we learn (11.3) that a father doesn’t go into galus for killing his son? _[Our mishna seems to say that a father always *goes* into galus for killing his son]._*Resolution:* This mishna is referring to a son who is studying well and doesn’t deserve to be hit.*Challenge:* Didn’t we learn (12.1) that even a son who studies well should be hit?*Resolution:* This is a case where the father is teaching him carpentry, and he hits him for not studying well.*Challenge:* But it’s a mitzvah for a father to teach his son a livelihood.*Resolution:* He already learned some other parnassah. _[We see that just to hit a son is not a mitzvah, only whe, even if he’s doing well, it’s a mitzvah]._ See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. This podcast has been graciously sponsored by JewishPodcasts.fm. There is much overhead to maintain this service so please help us continue our goal of helping Jewish lecturers become podcasters and support us with a donation: https://thechesedfund.com/jewishpodcasts/donate