127 | Is WWE ruining NXT?

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Hello everyone, welcome once again. So Artie, I hope you well. I hope you say. I hope you got your mask on.

I hope you not to. Down about the whole lockdown thing. You know, it's a month. It's probably the right decision.

Yes, it should have happened earlier, but this is where we're at. Just got a roll with it, we've got no choice. But we were planning well we were supposed to be going and this was canceled ages ago So we knew that it was never gonna happen so I'll see my mom in America for two weeks Because that's why she resides. It's supposed to be supposed to be going the old Yeah, we're gonna go to the Caribbean on a cruise with them out the window.

Okay, please be peace in the UK I mean it costs a lot to get to Charleston Yeah, but because they're like their port is like fucking a stone throw away from the Caribbean. It's cheaper for yeah You can go on a Caribbean cruise and nothing that's why the Jericho Jericho rager at sea It's quite expensive actually when you consider although you got a entertainment But you would just go on that cruise with no wrestling it would cost fuck all It costs so it was the most expensive part of it would be drinks package which Jericho has been given away for free fair play to him So and welcome everyone to one two seven a little bit of a change of format. Hmm. I think what we're gonna Say stop.

I don't mean it may come back depending on the week's news But I think I feel like we both kind of said to each other for a while Doing kind of breakdowns of shows is a it's a bit boring. You've seen it. You know, you know, you've watched that show So I think the way we're gonna go through for going forward moving forward is just to pick out specific sort of talking points And then maybe if there's a pay-per-view that we watch do like a reaction that's the old school RTM Reaccessed videos videos podcast just to that. We'll keep the podcast maybe a little bit because the thing for me Is I was gonna not say that this one isn't gonna be particularly depressing or fancy hence the title of the show but For future shows maybe that might be a bit lighter Has WWE ruined the next day Which we'll get into a little bit But so we've got has an XC ruined WWE and XC been taking off survivor series, so they're not doing anything to do that the twitch Um Saga whatever you want to fucking call it maybe an AW full game rundown Considering that's next our day and Vince is getting at six part Netflix documentary, which I think timing wise is Crazy considering Netflix only in the UK last week or the week before put up beyond the matter Which anybody seen beyond the mind does not paint WWE in the best light at all and probably is the best wrestling documentary I've ever seen And so without being said should we cheer to the how are you doing?

Let's just cheers to the new former four o'clock drinking for a quad. Yeah It's five o'clock somewhere It's five o'clock see that's why my body was screaming out for JD exactly Drink a major cough drink in a bit and that's a attack yeah, that's my attack anything Right, so how are we before we get into it? Yeah, I'm all right. I'm not all right really I find all this super depressing but wrestling's you know never let us down as I've been looking forward to doing this today I feel like we've been talking about this since we woke up about four hours ago Yeah, so what have you what have we seen this week wrestling wise?

So I watched them this morning watch a bit of the road to power struggle on New Japan world Which is very enjoyable sort of tag team matches that are Kind of on their next pay-per-view So like this there's a singles match on the next pay-per-view which is in I think a week's time It's on Saturday, so it's that's power struggle and there's another road to power struggle tomorrow But I'll be working at the time it's on so that's a bit annoying So I'm maybe if I'm watching after me shift, but that was really cool I feel like new Japan's the exciting one the new exciting kid on the block for me So really? But yeah over than that a w and a bit of a fucking other watch Halloween havoc the whole thing Yeah Christ and that was that was research for this because I we did start it last week, didn't we? Yes, and you literally turned it off as soon as Beth Phoenix said what's he doing? Well, I'm like you just like I can't so that was in the foot opening minute of the show So we actually sat through the whole thing just before we switched the mics on So we talk about that.

Should we just dive in talk about Halloween havoc? Are we not talking about? Before that we'll leave after a minute that so the all because the only this is the only gonna be the The only mention of it really unless it comes back later We watched highlights a smackdown with Roman Reigns and the whole ooh-so situation couldn't watch the actual hell in the cell match because of the referee I mean, I know I know I know some of you shaking your head and going why why but it's little things like that They just drive me up the fucking wall like he get that guy in me Christ best supporting actor I never saw the frame of it I just saw the fall out on Twitter as it was happening because they got still awake Yeah, all I saw people going to come to my place to shut that up See, I love that because that's like literally the first fucking time when I've gone No, I can't do something I can't I can't watch you or I can't handle it because of something that's annoyed me That's the first time where I've said that to you and you've gone or that I saw loads of tweets about that Incredibly annoying I did watch anything at one point. I think you know, and this is probably not what happened I'm massively over egging it But like Roman Reigns hits a clothesline and the refs like in Jey's nose face Like do you want to quit you know like shot like shouting at him and obviously, you know, it's not like dude So he's been told to be like that but every time one of the mid the floor he was all over my garage and then turning back to Reigns like he doesn't want to quit Roman.

He doesn't want to quit. Oh my fucking god This guy seen but not heard referees the best referees or the ones that you don't even know is there I mean, perhaps it's one to say from room 101 Fucking finish the show. We want to want to tell you right. Well, let's leave that round and turn that then yeah Yeah, well first you do you want to get the article up that kind of inspired this?

Oh, yes I'm going to report you think I mean it might take me a second I had a little nosey eye and I think there's a few um There's a few like What you call it a few different? Opinions while you're looking for that. I'll read through a few of the tweets that we got on this We did a sweet we did actual poll which will do at the end of this just to give it a bit more time to get a few more votes if that's what anyone can be bothered doing and so up first at a best wick sport so a didn't best wick JESMATE will do a win yesterday for all chicken show I'm not going to be a basic. Yeah, well that was Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a little way swelling.

Yeah, I do So the question is has WWE ruined NXT and you know, it's a harsh kind of statement It's come from a bleacher report article that you're having a look at it's wadens But I don't think it's ruined it I just think it needs to be treated as a third brand more instead of a Dell developmental brand The talent in NXT is insane and when they go to the main roster some go stale I think I'll probably do with some main roster talent coming back to NXT Definitely agree with that Chris or X31 your right mate sport have never haven't ever watched it mate. Come on at least at least go back through some of the old ones Yeah, well, but he's been telling us to watch TV or impact So we'll make a deal we'll watch impact when you watch NXT or I'm all good So Haven't ever watched it, but they should have have Made more of its own brand rather than a glorified developmental leave wrestlers there to develop rather than looking to move them It's a Monday night bore and slack down Brilliant and then at legit Viper let me just make sure there isn't more to it than that Yeah, there is at legit Viper 83 But honestly, it's made it a little better, but WWE in all areas has gone downhill Okay, so this article is kind of saying yes and no It's arguing with itself and then it comes to a rather on the fence conclusion of the frozen constant Well, that's how you get away with having that divisive a headline It's like very heavy To make people have a look at it so they say for their argument that yes, WWE has really been a next seed The calling out the pressure of ratings I'm not gonna read out there So they say pressure of ratings and it feels more like the other shows so it's not as distinctive as it used to be On the other side of things are saying it's got there's more time for exposure because it's moved to a two-hour format And it's always been as well for me I saw that as well I might be wrong with that but I assumed it was two hours on the network I thought it was one hour. I thought it was an hour longer than ever. We used to watch it.

It was only an hour I'm sure it was. It was like a gory day. It was a gory day. It's nice to buy.

Wambam, thank you mum. Get on with your day. No, exactly. Competition is good for business.

That's another reason why they think that WWE has not ruined NXT. Okay, the conclusion? It's frozen cunts. We don't know.

It's frozen cunts guys. The conclusion is what do you think? But what do you think? It's hard.

It's really hard because so we watched Halloween havoc. I put it on. I said, you know what if we're doing this If it's gonna be the main sort of focal point of the podcast before we get pissed. So it's a bit more brain brain power.

Oh, that's a good start going into it. We watched Halloween havoc and I started it. I was like, right Don't turn it off. I just I literally out loud said to myself not even to you if you wanted to turn it off.

I would have uploaded. Well, I was like, don't turn it off. Just watch it and just try and get the biases out of your head. So biases obviously are the banging on the glass.

Yes, I didn't notice it as much. No, it's only the first match where now is it. I think it was because they were playing the crowd noise incredibly loud all the way through it. Yeah, so you couldn't hear promo but it's but yeah, it's not a word anyone was saying poor Michael Hayes making a return.

Drake Maverick don't know what he was buying. Get on about going to the fake crowd. So about shot master supposed to be tripping over. I think he made that helmet according to him.

But that's the only thing I got from it. Yeah. What do I think they've ruined it? I think ruined it is strong.

But I don't necessarily disagree with that. I think it depends kind of what you're looking for in wrestling at a particular time because I go through swings and roundabouts with what makes me the most kind of happy when I'm watching it. So is it the pomp and circumstance in the theatre or is it the great in-ring content at the moment? I mean, in ring content mode, which is why I think AW and New Japan, a new Japan especially are really, really enjoyable for me at the moment because WWE has always been the best at the presentation.

So like, you know, the fireworks, the pyro, the massive crowds, you know, it's more of a theatre show than it is like a kayfabe fight. So I think it depends what you want. NXT for me was that was the WWE equivalent of ROH. So it was the good wrestling show.

Like if you wanted to just put a wrestling show on and you're like, right, I'm in the mood for, you know, I'm sick of fucking the loud, these loud, crazy mental characters and screaming women and screaming men. And you know, and everyone's just fucking who's the daddy, you know, who's the father and all this kind of shit when you want to put that to one side. NXT is brilliant. And the thing is, is like, you know, everything's got to evolve and everything's got to change.

But to me, like NXT, when it was NXT Take Over London time was the hottest that I feel any brand is ever going to be for me as far as like, if anybody come, you know, if New Japan or AEW, or because it's to me like, AEW is a great wrestling show. And in my opinion, is the best wrestling show. But a lot of people don't agree because it doesn't get a lot of ratings. You know, WWE SmackDown and Raw gets still get 2 million, or over 2 million, I've not seen Raw's for ages.

I think the reason why I've seen the SmackDown ones is because Reigns is on it. And so that's the one that all the kind of rat sheets are kind of, well, here's ratings because whenever I see ratings, I tend to click into it just a little nosy. But I don't think I'll be ever in caressling or ever in caressling because I feel like an insurrestling more now than I was then, as far as that diversity. But I don't think I'll ever be into a wrestling company as much as I was in.

So I next day at that time, that was our, I feel, not putting words in your mouth. That was our show. And we were like, right, they're doing a show in London. And I don't just mean NXT take over London as its own thing.

I mean, that whole kind of 12 month period where you're getting Shinsuke, you know, Zane, Owens, Bala, you know, we went to see a fucking house show at Liverpool Echo Arena for NXT. And that, I think, tells you everything. And they filled that fucking, you know, it was pretty much full apart from like the back three rows. Yeah, it was really full.

It was bonkers. You talking 600 seats out of probably about 12,000, maybe. And that was headlined by Samoa Joe Bala, Nakamura, Austin Aries, who else was in there. Aska.

Aska was there. So that's, I don't think I'll ever be into a company, you know, treating NXT as a company, like rather than just an off brand. Then I was into that because that was everything that I wanted to hear at the time because we were very sort of disillusioned with WWE, it's like it's for kids, it's not for us. ROH is production value used to piss me off because I'd be there and I'd be watching like fucking ACH and Young Bucks and all this kind of shit doing amazing shit.

And the cameraman would miss half of it. And it's like, well, fuck this. Until you can employ a cameraman who doesn't miss a dive over the top rope to the outside. And not just one but two.

Like, so the hard cam misses it because it's like, you know, it's obviously somebody jumping outside the ring, but then it cuts to the camera that should be there and the guys on the floor and you've not seen anything. So it was just little things like that. So I think to see at the time was the WWE production value with the ROH standard of wrestling was the way I described it at the time. Now, it is a another version of Raw or SmackDown.

And it is disappointing. I mean, the things like the banging on the glass and all that kind of stuff that'll go away. What won't go away is the amount of fucking times during Halloween havoc. I got sold Geico.

I stopped counting at seven. And there was what four or five matches? You know, there was a fucking picture and picture twice in the open in the opening match. In the opening fucking match though.

Like, you know, and it goes on for so long. That was the thing. The sheer length of picture in picture was insane. It kept wanging on and you were like making sales of food and kitchen was happening.

And I was like, they're advertising me nutrition supplements while someone in the top con is getting choked out both the crowbar. I mean, it's fucking weird. It's like it was the strangest shit. And it's like this new cancer treatment and someone's literally like getting bludgeon to death.

But it's like unbelievable. But it was so it was a bit it was a bit of a mess that I thought the picture in picture. I'm not I think sometimes it works and it's great to be able to still carry on watching the match and on going off on the Sanjani around and asking you about the question. But the problem is when you've got a match like the one that they were putting on, which is you know, this like mad don't even know what the stipulation was.

It's mad fucking girls. Yeah, something like that. I actually like two hours ago. Picture in picture.

I know what foot knows, but like picture in picture when you've got a match that spills out of the ring and you've got different shit going on and different, you know, they're in a different set piece throughout it. It don't really work because it's like, no, actually, all of this match is relevant to watch. We're not just talking about a standard singles match where you can have a quiet thing, quiet moment while the adverts are on and you come back and you get back to the action. It's like the was action all the way through that.

So it just didn't work. This is the issue with picture in picture is that AW does it on the main shows, whereas NXT now are putting pay per views on as their main shows and it doesn't work during a pay per view. No way. Because you're supposed to be bought into these matches, the title matches and you get in picture in picture for like three or four minutes of like mad and the guy, and again, it's not his fault.

Like the one who's dressed as well, he'll well though, whatever side of the pond you are. I was like, that guy says fucking happy guy, queen or whatever the fucking one was one more time. Let's break the covid restrictions. Let's go and beat the fuck out of him because he was I was doing my foot.

Wasn't it like that much stipulation where it was like, it was the one that the guy with the top hat camera and grime. Yeah. Yeah. Loomis the house of horrors.

How's the horrors? How's the horrors? What's my guy called? He said right.

It literally was caught. So there was an advert break. So we got to see picture picture but painfully, you know, thankfully, mercifully. So I was looking for the main advert breaks were were interrupted were cut out.

So he said Geico and Geico, you know, was it Geico like happy Geico? He didn't quite work. No, it was shit. It was another there's a 70 year old in Geico was marketing team before I was filming.

And a little Geico symbol with like the pumpkin is like Christ, like, you know, your insurance company, like please. But he said that in the spec in our in our watching the space of probably about three minutes five times. And then the rest of the time it was in between matches. So it's it's it's less it's less invasive when it's kind of just in between matches.

But an argument that I know were massively railroading this for the whole advertising thing. But I said to you during the time when we're watching it, it's like, if you got to get advertised this much, it should be free this. We shouldn't be paying for it. So like, you know, I'm not 100% certain what their what the Americans kind of cable kind of thing is in that situation, whether or not that is a free channel.

Yeah, it seemed like it was because the sheer amount of advertising to it. But I mean, so the argument on advertising that I've seen before, when I've kind of you've seen the article about advertising and wrestling and how it is like sponsored by Snickers, sponsored by that, and how like WWE are so hyper focused around their own advertisers and what they want to see. So it's not what WWE wants to present, it's what the advertisers will tolerate. So that's as far as the envelope they can push.

Yeah. Because you know, if you if you own a company and you've got Stone Cold Steve Austin and he's making you $10 million, let's say a year, just Stone Cold, he's own, he's making you $10 million a year by flipping people off by swearing on TV by beating up the boss. Here comes Geico. Okay, WWE, we're going to give you an advertising revenue $11 million next year.

But you've got to tell Stone Cold to stop swearing and you've got any kind of people off anymore. It's an easy fix for veterans, friends can go to Austin. I'm using Austin as an example. I'm not saying that this happened, but you can go to Austin, you say, right, Austin, Geico is going to give us $11 million.

You make us $10 million, right? You can make us maybe five, six without the swearing and without the flipping people off. Change your catchphrase. You know, maybe just say something like what?

You could get that over, which he did. And then Geico was going to give us $11 million. That's one incident, right? Then fast forward 10 years, and the bad three or four of those incidents per year, then you take turns into this brand that is super safe, super PC, and I know the Trump back, but it's been super PC and super advertiser friendly.

So that on that basis alone, the Geico adverts during that fucking Halloween havoc were so intrusive to me. I was like, this guy fucking says Geico one more time. Halloween havoc should have been a takeover, or should have been something that was a network pay-per-view. And this is aside from the RWW ruining, but obviously it feeds back in.

They're so trying to get ratings. They're so trying to be an exit at AW in the ratings that they're happy to bastardize their own product, because that's what they're doing. That Halloween havoc should be something that's a big deal. Yeah, it should be a network special.

It should be a Wednesday night show. I thought it was when they first announced it, and they did all like Halloween havoc, and it's an old WCW, I think, show. And everyone was really buzzed about it. I was like, well, of course, that's a take over then.

Halloween havoc's a takeover, but it was just a Wednesday night. And it's like, I got a minute. I know that there's probably quite a lot of scheduling issues and all that shit, but not when you're on your own fucking day. Halloween was on Saturday night.

Takeovers, you know, I know that they started doing them on Sunday nights, but it's like they could have easily don't a Saturday night pay-per-view on Halloween night. But I think a load of people would have been really bought into because it's like Halloween. What else are we going to do? Like, you know, in the UK, I'm sure it's different in the UK.

We can't fucking go trick or treating, go around to each other's houses. So it was like, no parties. People might have got fuck it. We'll buy the Halloween havoc pay-per-view to Saturday night.

But if they do, they don't be AW in the ratings on the Wednesday. I know, I know. Because they wouldn't have had any of those matches on this Wednesday, or whenever it was, I think it's weeks ago now. But they wouldn't have had any of those matches on.

They would have had maybe a Halloween themed Wednesday, like Halloween havoc preview, where you would have got like developmental wrestlers on it and then would have flipped over to AW. So because it was Halloween havoc and because it was, you know, everything bought the NXT title on the line and it stipulated matches, that's why they won. But the problem with that is it's a very, I think it's a very short term fix. So to me, closing statement, I could just go on for a lot longer, but I feel like we've both not got the time.

I don't know. I mean, I was going to ask you another question after this. Well, that's fine. Well, I sort of closing bit on our, how have WWE ruined NXT is my answer.

Yes, because it's no longer the wrestling show for the hard cause. And I know it's again, like I'm not trying to like say to people like, Oh, if you didn't watch it, you know, you're not hard, I'm not saying that at all. But they knew full well when they started NXT up and they were watching all this independent talent and all you're bringing in Akamores in and your Owens is and your Adam Coles, they knew full well who they were going for. And they were going for the people who are the schmarchy like good content, like good quality wrestling fans, that hopefully they could then bring on Saror and SmackDown when they moved those people or whether or not that's happened, who knows.

But I would say yes, because they've turned it into another money machine where it's not, I don't think it is a developmental. Like a few people are saying, I'll like, oh, they need to treat it like a third brand, like some of the tweets we've got, it needs to treat it like a third brand instead of developmental. And I think that's the issue. I think they are treating it like a third brand now because it's advertised to fork and they're just trying to beat AW in ratings.

Yeah, it's like it's back to, it's a better, much better version of Superstars, or it's got its own, it's got its own people. It's not like the same people job as who you saw on Raw and SmackDown. It is a third show. And the fact that you've got people who, you know, the developmental things in all them void now, because you've got people like Gagano, Cole, who don't want to go up, who would have had full-call choice about it back in the day when we watched it.

Because I'm sure there were a few then who wanted to stay. I'm sure Zane probably, you know, I know everyone wants the pay day. But you know, when you know you're going up, and at that point we had seen a bit of wastage of people going up and not getting used even at that point, you're like, oh shit, it's a bit of a gamble this. You could be a joke, or you could just get sacked.

Do you know, you're riding away with offers of pain, you know, like you're riding an absolute waving. And before that, you know, that other fucking tag team. I reckon alpha, they did that too. American alpha, the other guys, the warrior, the ones that rode Warriors.

Ascension. Ascension. Well, that's why that's the coin term, is they got Ascension. Absolutely.

Ascension were the first to do to go down that route where they were absolute beast in NXT. The NXT crowd were rabid for them, and then they went up and they were a complete joke. They had JBL clothes lining them. No, that's why it's no longer a developmental show.

Of course, you're going to have like the talent that you bring forward from the performance center. That will be their first outing. Of course, in that sense, it's developmental. But it has to be, if it's going on the telly and you want in viewers and you want it to win a race with another rival show every week on week, then it isn't developmental anymore.

Because if it was developmental, you would create a WWE dark and put it on YouTube. If it was really you wanted to go against a developmental brand. You know, like that's that's kind of their version, isn't it? But it's not.

It's like a proper show on a Wednesday night or wherever the night they move it to. And it's just a big, it's another big show that is the same as Raw and SmackDown that it's about the money, it's about the advertising, it's about the merch, which I always was anyway. And we always knew it was going to happen though. So I think the whole WWE ruining it.

Even when we went to London, we knew what was going to happen to NXT. And we always used to say it was our biggest fear. But when we were living in the house in Charlotte, we first started this podcast off, we were like, if they get advertised as if they put us on the telly, it's over. And we said it from day one and we knew it was going to happen.

It was just, it was an inevitability that it was going to happen. So it wasn't a case of if it was when and that time has come. And you know, you sometimes just fucking hate being right. And but it was always headed that way.

So they'd already ruined it before the start. Because I think the intention was always to grow it, put it on the telly because it gets some cash. Which is even more frustrating because Triple H very publicly on numerous occasions said that NXT would never go on to a TV station. It would always be a WWE network only brand.

But then this is the problem is because like that, I was sort of opinion of it. I do feel is in the minority because if NXT was getting loads of subscribers to the network, and when they moved it to TV, if suddenly they lost a million subscribers, they would have put it back on. But the fact that I saw from the earnings call, the Q3 sort of earnings call that didn't look into it because it could be bothered. But the subscriber count paid is like 1.7 million, which is the highest I've ever seen.

Yeah, it's never been that groundbreaking when it comes to telly that really, is it? What do you mean? In comparison to money you make from TV deals, the network is for call. It is.

But you know, if you've got 1.7 million per month, giving you $10, it's a lot of fucking money. And like by the time when I was really looking at the network figures, it was like 1 million, just under a million. And then 1.1, I think it got to wrestle me anytime. But that's paid subscribers.

They've also got a shitload of people who have got it for free and doing that free service where you can access some things for free that are getting advertised to horrendously. So the network is making a lot of money without NXT being on it now, apart from the people that like so the majority are, we'll get the network for old content and new pay per views. So they're still doing the pay per views on that? Yeah, yeah.

So the so the so the so the so the takeovers WrestleMania's all that kind of stuff are on the network. The only thing that isn't on it, as far as I'm aware, because I think last because we've unsubscribed from it for months now. Yeah. So as far as I'm aware, I think NXT goes on a week after but Raw and SmackDown going on one after that's what it was at that time.

Yeah. Wherever or not that's changed now, I don't know. So NXT might be on it again, but I doubt it being on it, you know, maybe a day after or something. I don't know.

Go over it. Go for it. I might put a bit of red food colouring in the Halloween. Go for it.

Go for it. Red food colour, red food colouring in your Presecco and it's a blood. Blood. You know.

Happy Halloween folks. Happy Halloween folks. It's supposed to be a bad book for Kit. You're gonna put a firework in it next week.

Yes. Or a bit of, what's it toffee? It's like, well, we all need a bit of a bad box energy at the moment. We do need a bit of Guy Forks energy.

Oh, geez. Oh, geez. It'll be time that UK will ever celebrate its own risk. Oh, no.

Yeah. Christ. But yeah. So.

Do you want a drink? No, I've got half. I'm, I'm sipping. I'm pacing myself.

It's got that. It's right. It's such a fab idea. I love me.

Yeah. So that's, that's my kind of ending of it before you ask your question. Yes, I think the for him and it. Yeah.

And for me to sort of my conclusion is the same, but we knew it was, we knew it was coming. It was, in fact, it took a lot longer than I thought it was going to take when we, you know, we were riding that high with Zayn and Owens and Shinsuke and everything. I thought it was, and I'm sure it was already starting to happen then, but I thought it was going to totally have after that London show. I was like, this is it.

There's no way they're going to keep, there's no way they're going to just keep this on the network. This is definitely going on TV. I mean, it might have been ignorance, but I didn't think so. I thought, you know, the only thing we had to worry about was them stealing everybody for the main roster and then that would make them, but then in the back you had you like, well, that'll make the main roster even better.

But then NXT will start again with, and they have done. But yeah, it's something. What was your question? My question's a bit unrelated.

But I think that now, I think it's quite pertinent to us getting now. So we're going into a second lockdown. And if you remember going back when we first started podcasting again this year at the start of the first lockdown, it was the global thing. And our, our sort of opinion was why WWE risking people's health and all that.

And now we're like eight, nine months down the line of watching wrestling. Do you think that that was the right decision that they made at the time to continue wrestling weekly? Or do you think that Sadie will coming back now and there'd been offering months? I know it's a really difficult question to sort of answer, but in hindsight now, do you think maybe we're a bit harsh on them?

Yeah, I do. Because the proven that they could do it safely. Whereas at the time, because you know, there are a few things like WWE are still under investigation from the Florida officials about COVID outbreaks. But it's one of them things where I think familiarity, bringing ignorance, because I'm a bit like that now, like I'm getting sick of this.

And I am very pro where you mask, you know, because scientists that don't don't really have a horse in the race have said where a fucking mask. Because it's a bit, it's a little bit better for you. So all this, this whole argument of, oh, it doesn't work, that's all road dog getting into it with like, Hurricane Helms about not wearing a mask. It's like, guys, if you've not got something better to talk about, but you know, whether or not you believe in you should be wearing a mask or you think it's a weird government conspiracy, like, guys, come on, why would they be asked?

Really? But you know, you're entitled to believe, you know, what you think. But I'm starting to get into getting to the point where I'm getting frustrated with it. And it may be because I'm, because of, you know, I feel like they should have done this straight away.

And we should have done like New Zealand did where they just locked that shit down. And now they've got fucking arenas and stadiums back open again for sporting events and all that kind of shit. You know, all these half measures are pissing me off. So at the time when we went into like full lockdown, and you know, wrestling companies were still going, but on like closed sets, you didn't at that time, you didn't realize, I didn't realize the full like impact of what COVID was.

So it's like, this could be something, you know, the telling us it's killing, it's going to kill like a million people if we don't do this. So they are being very irresponsible by showing, you know, by showing people that they're still putting this on, and mixing, and then all the positive, like, because the thing is all the positive kind of tests that they had, where like loads of them got it. And then there was an outbreak when they let fans back in and family members and all that kind of shit. So I still feel like we were just applied at the time saying, especially with NXT, because that was where the all kicked off really.

And that's what the performance center stuff, sorry, not just NXT, but that's what's being investigated as the performance center. Not no sorry, full sale, okay, it's what's being investigated, because they were because they were letting anybody in. And like the whole reason why they've moved away from full sale is because they were using for NXT, they were using a lot of students for like free labor, basically, like a bit of an internship time thing, like, you know, people doing like sound engineering courses could come and you know, help out with sound and graphics and all that kind of stuff. So they've moved away from there now, because they can't do that because they can't have people from outside to the bubble.

But the issue with WWE, they've never formed a bubble. They were letting people fly back and forth and all that stuff. So I'd still feel like that's justified. But there is ways, because at AW doing the same thing, like Jericho is back and forth, he's going playing fucking gigs and then going home and then going to the AW set and I know they're all getting tested.

And the testing thing is something that's, I don't know, I'm talking like in general, like a COVID testing book, but these kind of, you know, like, oh, we get tested every day and all this shit. I don't know how useful it is when someone's flying around and it takes the virus like a week to present itself how useful it is to test someone every day when that virus can be developing for seven days, could infect some people. But then I suppose if that really was the case, there would be mass infections, like it would be if that was happening where, oh, I'm getting tested every day and then one day get the positive test, but you've infected loads of people in the five days and seven days in the run or we would know about that because it would be a problem because then everyone would have it seemingly, especially wrestlers, literally touching each other, sweating and breathing all over each other. Like that would be about so it is working to a certain extent and some people, you know, like a Renee Jung had it, didn't she?

Yeah, COVID and Moxley had to stay home with her and he didn't get it. I didn't say that it. And he had like missed a week or two. So it's obviously working, you know, to some reasonable extent.

It's just funny that it has been so long and you kind of forget how long and how critical like everyone, we and everyone was of all the wrestling companies and all the sporty ones that decided to, because it was wrestling first. And then it was things like the NBA are now going to go for him, Florida. And it's just interesting to look back and go, actually, this has been going for quite a while and it appears to be okay. Everyone's sort of like forgotten, left it alone now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's because it, I mean, you're always going to, it's like the UFC, because UFC were first out of the block, you know, before anybody. And then they were putting shows on. I mean, WWE were always putting shows on, they never missed a beat.

But UFC, as far as like an actual sporting event was the first one out. So they got loads of shit and they've had to think about three positive tests in a hole and how many events they've put on now. They've put like out, you know, probably over 20, maybe 25 events on in both Abu Dhabi and the Las Vegas on a closed environment in a bubble situation, you know, the fighters have to self isolate before they go and then self isolate while they're there. So you know, there's ways and means in which you can do things.

But I do think the criticism of them was justified because the thing with AW was, it's like they were doing, you know, the outdoor show, which at the time was a little bit more forgiven. It was like, oh, they're outside, you know, it's not as bad. And all that kind of stuff, whereas WWE did WrestleMania from inside the Performance Center on a closed set with everybody mingling around. And then it was, I think that the main criticism towards WWE is the fact that they would not say literally, and I don't know, you know, they were trying to hold out just in case, just on the off chance that the week after they were identified, it's gone.

80,000 people can get back into Tampa Stadium. You know, that's what they were holding out for. But it took them so long to like make a decision on WrestleMania. And it's not just the wrestlers that you deal with there.

It's got fans who have bought shit loads of tickets. They've bought ticket, you know, if they're not on travel packages, they've bought tickets to Raw SmackDown, NXT, you know, they've literally fucking put up 10k into it, you know, especially in Tampa area as well, Florida, you know, you're going to be having some fun in between. You know, they've put a shitload of money into that. There'd been people from over here that were going to be going to WrestleMania.

And the fact that you wouldn't say, you wouldn't come out and say to like, you know, what was it like a month before or something? It was really close to the event. Yeah, it was super close. It's like the fact that you wouldn't come out and say, Oh, right, now we're going to be doing it from here instead for so long.

And there was all those articles of like, Florida governor is saying, you know, where they got to the end of the day, or where pulling the plug. And then obviously Vince gave him a considerable donation or window game, and let him start doing things like the Thunderdome and all that shit. But yeah, I feel like the criticism was justified. Are there travel packages and anything on sale for?

I've known them once. Because it's around about this time, I think. I'm sure we got ours around like October, November time. Well, the Wrestle travel store, because I was looking at wrestling in the movie.

So, but you know, they're on for the year after. I mean, Japan's inviting tourists. And we can't fly there. Yeah, but we're not allowed.

Yeah. So that's the thing, like, you know, it doesn't matter whether Japan's happy to have tourists coming in. We're only not allowed during this month though. Yeah, but this is the thing, right?

Anybody who thinks it's just going to be this month is out of their fucking mind. This is the thing that's annoying me the most about it, because the so sheer, Boris literally is so fucking adamant that he's not going to have a family Christmas. Like, listen, who gives a fuck about a family Christmas when people are fucking dying of a virus? Like literally, that'd be like fucking World War II or whatever.

You know, they're all, they're all there fucking in the trenches. Well, they're all there in the trenches. Oh, do you know what? Actually, we need to get this, we need to get this over with, because we've got to all fly home and be with our families for Christmas.

So over the top guys, they've got a Gatling gun. Ah, doesn't matter. Come on, over the top. I've got to go back Christmas.

You know, fucking cares about a family fucking Christmas about your stupid grand, you know, coming round and fucking sitting on your sofa and falling asleep at one o'clock after she's had a bit of fucking turkey. Who fucking cares? Like, I know our situation is different, because we don't like doing that. But even if you do like doing that, we're a fucking pandemic.

I know. Well, like we said, you know, like, there's so many religions that have to sacrifice their celebrations, their version of Christmas. Well, they're obviously not, you know, this is the thing that's even more annoying. So Ramadan, obviously, the majority of people in the UK don't celebrate Ramadan.

So therefore it's a lesser holiday. But Christmas, oh, oh, hail, hail the Lord for a he did return. You know, fucking roll back the rock. He's coming out.

I think he's more, and he's just buffed it. Give a shit. Some fucking made up crap, like some absolute made up crap and everyone's like, oh, but you know, I saw something on the fucking news. Someone like, you can't close retail outlets because we all need to buy presents for Christmas.

Boo fucking who? Like, really? Like, it's like your thing, right? So somebody, you know, I personally, I don't know anyone who's died from it, which is great.

You don't know anyone's died for it. But you fucking ask somebody who's lost their parents because my job, I speak to people who've lost people quite often. Right? You speak to them and say, I tell you what, are you happy for us to open up WH-Smith so you can buy some, you're shitting at for you, a fucking pencil case.

Like, I'm so sorry, your mum and dad have both died. But are you happy that everybody else? You know, they might get it. A few more people might die.

But we'll open up this fucking retail outlets where everyone can go shopping. Just infect each other. Exactly. That's why I said to you though, it's like, I don't know, we're going off on a tangent here.

That's why I didn't want to talk about that. No, but I mean, it does be fucking, I didn't. The thing is, is that the virus ain't going anywhere for December. And even if it doesn't get the cases down and everything reopens on the second December, we'll all be killing each other by Christmas day anyway.

Exactly. That's what it's like, right. So what should we do? Because retail over December will be the best time.

So we can't close places. So, you know, because everyone, the economy will lose all this money, this thing that we've created anyway. Less shut for November, then in December, everyone could go fucking ballistic and have all their office Christmas parties and can shop till they drop. So everybody has a great Christmas, then in January again, we'll go, there's another lockdown.

And that's what will happen at guarantee for the first half of 2021. It'll be a month off and a month off because they don't want to ruin the fucking economy rather than saying, right, everything for a month is closed, apart from supermarkets, everything. You don't go anywhere. You don't see anyone.

And then maybe after that, like, news it, do what fucking New Zealand did. New Zealand are taking the Asian approach by locking every all that shit down to the point where now we can invite people back and it's on stage. The fact that was an America just kicking our fucking heels because we're too worried about paying a bill at the end of it. It's bollocks and that'll raise our taxes or go up.

The prices of shit will go up. The prices of flights will go up. The network will go to $12.99. You watch next year.

Oh, everything will go. Everything will go. I just want to say that the countries that have fared the best female leaders. I'm teaching something.

I'm teaching something. I'm teaching something. Don't be afraid to vote for a fucking woman because they've got it under control because we're all from fucking men are from Mars, women from Venus. We're being clearly given fuck about people and then give a shit about money.

So it's hard to argue against that. Well, the biggest of that is bollocks and I fucking hate it. I hate this country and I hate America for the way they're doing it as well because we can't go over there. I know my mum's over there so I'm worried about my mum.

She went to the public. She's in a shop. But anyway, it's fucking pathetic. It's pathetic.

Can we leave the COVID talk? We will leave the COVID talk and we're going to leave it right now. I think sometimes it we obviously asked the question about wrestling and how they handled it and it's spiral to spiral. We're all fucking angry and we're all living in like a mad fucking world at the minute.

And it's important to address it because some people don't some people just fucking read the papers and stuff and it's like you get presented with all these facts that you've just got to deal with. Sometimes you just need to hear all the people around about it. Makes me feel better. I know it doesn't make you feel better than around but hearing you have a rant might make people feel a bit better because it makes me feel better when I hear other people say, oh bullshit is because I don't hear that very often.

I'll keep hearing people just by and out on the news and it's it's bollocks. It's absolutely bollocks. It makes me so angry. It's just I'll badly manage this has been.

And my life being a bit disrupted by not being able to play golf or not being able to go and see back to the future, the musical in Manchester again, it's going straight to London now because of this, is like not even a percentage of the reason why because I can't give a shit if they said to me right January everything's stopping or football's stopping wrestling, stopping everything's stopping. I find something to do. Well of course it's going to be like. Let's say January say end of January.

Everything's locked down for three months. Yeah. Like fine. If that's what's going to take to stop people dying and to stop people and stop you know this going on perpetually for another fucking 12 months which it will be if we keep doing these half-nazures but that's to bring it back the criticism of one's justified because again it's from their point of view, wrestlers point of view is a half-nazure because they were still trying to put a show on.

Yeah. When they shouldn't have done, they should have given it. What they should have done is made a public statement of our wrestlers are going to be living here for everyone's going to get tested and they're going to be a little bit like UFC when they come in and you know when they go out obviously they go out but to put these events on for three weeks you're all you're all living together. Well this could be just quite nicely into another topic we're going to talk about today because if they would have asked WWE wrestlers to do that, they'd have all jumped because they will do anything at all because everyone wants to work for WWE henceforth brings us to the Twitch conversation and people doing as they're told and I think we should talk about that.

Yeah you go first I'm going to try and like calm yourself down you know you should go get a little slug of Jack Daniels in that. I've got one. There's a slug in them. There's one slug and you've had a whole can.

You need another slug. Pacing himself. Right okay so I've not got anything in front of me at the minute however we know the story so when it comes to Twitch and cameo we talked about it last time the wrestlers, WWE wrestlers have essentially been told that they can't they can no longer have personal Twitch cameo whatever else accounts that make them money so where we were at I think the last time we talked about it under my understanding was they couldn't use their wrestling name and if they wanted to continue doing these channels they would instead of taking the full money that was made out of it, we'd retake all the money and the star retains a percentage so instead of taking all the money out of small amount that was my understanding and I'm still finding as the story unfolds really really really confusing because this week quite famously you know Paige broke down on her Twitch she was really sad because you know her friends Lina Vegas you know closed her twitch counter and now she's closing it styles as closed his and I think her tears were that you know it was looking like she was gonna have to do this soon and she was she did this is you know really impassioned about you know you know she's going this fucking company man yeah I broke my neck twice I've given my whole life and I can't and her argument being I'm not a full-time wrestler anymore I need this this is all I've got they're not even using me she even said I understand it from a full if it's a full-time wrestler I totally get it but why does it why me what am I doing at the moment that's the power of phrase massively now I've been looking to this I'm still really confused by the situation because it seems like Paige uh Styles or Styles like six cells he's deactivated his account and what I can't get my head round is are they being told to deactivate completely and forget it and then start a brand new one with WWE or are they choosing to deactivate in a protest against WWE or I don't know I've still finding it all a little bit weird I've read a couple of news stories and they were like there was nothing I couldn't quite I just can't grasp what's going on like what what the story is because you know I thought it was fine as long as it didn't use a wrestling name but then you know maybe I just don't know I'm super confused I mean maybe the styles thing because his is um his channel's called Styles Clash which he owns this is it WWE do not own AJ Styles I'm so confused by all I don't quite understand and as I say I'm reading about it and the semantics are all different on each news story and I just can't grasp what's going on and maybe someone else can explain it to me but I've got funny feeling I feel like it's not clear at all as to what everyone's having to do I've been ordered to do and again I repeat myself I don't know whether they're closing their accounts out of protest until it gets sorted because they're all saying oh it's not you know goodbye forever it's just a goodbye for now I can't decide whether this is a stance that they're taking by closing it completely so do we can't have anything or it's an order right so correct me if I'm wrong anybody but because I'm equally as confused but for me the timeline was you can do this if you don't use your ring ring name oh and then a few months on oh by the way we own your real name as well then a few months on what I saw was that they were gonna let people carry on but they took a percentage or they did what you said like they take all the money and then they pay the rest of their percentage now from the articles I've seen is they've been ordered to stop okay so it's not even a case so if you're gonna have an account through walls it's just you just stop you just stop which then makes me think that they've said you'll have an account through walls they've all been told to fuck off they've told you we do fuck off I'm not having an account for you so the same right you just close it then well that might be it they might have you know because the ones like Selena Vager and Alice Abbark no disrespect to them but I'm sure they weren't privy on the conversation whereas AJ Styles and Paige certainly would have been if they were having any dialogue with anyone they would have been talking to Styles and Paige because they're they're I mean I don't know how big they are Selena Vakers might be bigger than them I don't know but just from an ignorant you know talent perspective I would assume that styles is and Paige is bigger than Selena Vakers and Alice the Black Swan so I think they've gone something said do you want to do a one through WWE and then we pay you X amount each month say 10% of it because we own you because that's what they say in the same we own you the problem I've done what we've said before the problem I've got with it is that it's changing the goal post when something started and you can't do that like you can't suddenly decide that you're you're out of pocket because you're not because this is something that somebody's doing outside of WWE it doesn't matter if they're using the name because you can you can you can you can shout so you blew in the face that Paige would only have a twitch stream oh or only has a twitch stream because of who she is you can say that to you blew in the face and it is I do feel like it's a legitimate argument I do understand the criticism that Paige is received by saying I need this when she doesn't need it because she's getting a guarantee from WWE so we get paid very little her guarantee is a lot more than what we get paid and yet we survive everybody listens to this podcast survives on their wage you know she gets paid a guarantee from WWE even though she's injured that's her guaranteed money each year she does not need that switch count she needs either or she needs either or to me she either needs to be a part of WWE or she's completely out of contract and become a switch star called Saray night yeah well absolutely well she'll have signed a contract that'll have so the whole the tears side of it isn't because and I don't agree I don't necessarily agree with the criticism but the tears are from the fact that she was making bank and now she's been told she can no longer do it now Paige is in a situation where she will clear her guarantee if she was full-time wrestling Gal's in Anderson have mentioned about that that guarantee whereas most of the wrestlers don't clear that guarantee because they don't get the merch sales they don't get the pay-per-view slots and they don't get the top you know they're taught you know they're house show money and they get paid weekly or whatever it is you know if say they're guaranteed it's 300 grand in a year and they make 289,000 over that year they'll give them another 11 grand yeah that's that's basically what that is so that's how they negotiate the higher contracts because they're earning over their guarantee they're making the company more so they're like okay I make I know last year that my guarantee was this but the company made approximately this so I want my next contract to be a quite big guy or they might say they might say something like well I you know because they're going you know they're guaranteed that money but they kind of earn more okay so they it's not a case where you know say styles on 50 grand a year 50,000 of 500,000 sorry a year he can still make a million dollars you know it's just that's his guarantee if he can't wrestle so a guarantee I think will be lower normally than what they would be projected to make like seen as guaranteed when he was full-time will be a hell of a lot lower than what he would make as if he was full-time wrestling because otherwise what's the point and that's the reason why they do that and they give people small guarantees it's so that they work their ass off trying to make that thing but as soon as you know as soon as the switch comes about and you know it's a massive company it's a massive conglomerate switch no no WWE switches as well now you know if WWE should have been on this from day one you know they should have had something in their contract that says if you're making money while you're under contract with us we own a percentage of it because you are using your name to you know because AJ Styles if you know you can argue AJ Styles is a big star he's a bigger star now he's on WWE if AJ Styles was still with impact or just doing a new Japan or whatever or just doing the indie shows would AJ Styles's switch account be as big you could argue no because he's on TV every week where you know he's getting millions of people watching him every week and millions of people following him on his social media accounts therefore they find out about his switch account so I understand from their point of view them saying you know you you're using your name and even whether it's your real name or not it doesn't matter no matter what you're using it you're clearly self fucking Tom I'm talking you know AJ Styles is now Tom on Twitch you're still AJ Styles everybody knows who you are so I understand what they're saying that they're using their WWE persona and their WWE notoriety to earn more money but the major issue I have with it is if you can't suddenly change somebody's contract if there wasn't something in there without them signing it if there wasn't something in there that said we withhold the right which there will be you know we withhold the rights to stop you from a stop your earning potential outside of the company if there wasn't because there isn't there's probably something maybe in the fine print to say that they can suddenly change on a dime but and be clear there'll be a switch part of the contract now you know if they if WWE didn't say from the start of somebody's contract like Styles or Paige you can't make money outside the company then the fucked in my opinion so and we know that they all do that because they were all fucking advertising the skinny bunny tees and the protein shakes and saccare go look at this meal company that I'm you know they all do all that shit to get extra money because they can't do because when you famous you can advertise it so the fact that WWE let them do that but then it's a numbers game you know they started seeing the numbers that people pull in on switch and it's a hell of a lot of money and then they go okay we're in a pandemic so the whether or not they feel like whether or not they're in the right whether legally they're in the right the motivation behind it has been these wrestlers are earning a shitload of money they owe us some of that money so it's pure greed even though there are multi-million even billion-dollar turnover company a year they're making profit handover fist because of the Saudi deal and the TV deals you know they're making hell of a lot of money even in a pandemic where people can't buy tickets they're still making a shitload of money they've just announced a big TV deal in Thailand which is millions a year you know so they're you know Paige may be making an extra and i'm guessing two 300 grand 400 grand maybe a year fruit switch styles may be making half a million extra a year fruit switch you know they're doing shitload to charity events and all this kind of stuff it's all great publicity for WWE let it be fucking name page hi i'm what you have to say you're from WWE on it hi i'm page from WWE you know get me on get on the show is the GM again so some people watch it because the money that you know literally this this move because from what i see of it now is they've they've told them because they've the original plan was you carry on doing it but we take all the money and we give you a percentage they've obviously said no to that and they've been allowed to say no to that because WWE wouldn't have shot himself in the foot like that and gone right everybody stop unless the the wrestlers concerned round and say no i'm not giving you this this you know 50 grand a month and you then giving me five back are you fucking out your mind because they've obviously been allowed to say no because otherwise they'd all still be streaming or WWE would just be screaming the money off the top yeah so they've all turned round and said no and then WWE's WWE have gone okay right so if you say no to that we can actually physically stop you from doing all this shit it'll be like season two so we're gonna do it so you can't make money outside the company you know it'd be like somebody with an ebay account like you know selling a few things you know a few bits and bobs like from our you know to relate it back to normal people you've got a garage full of shit oh i'm gonna sell all this on ebay and i've made four grand because i was fucking tons of shit but over the course of a year i made four grand on ebay and then your employer come into you and say woah woah woah woah hang on you've how much have you made it i'm gonna we paid you 20k a year you that four grand you were always three of it like what no i think for myself as well because i obviously you know i run a business and you know you have different clients for example it would be like if you want a huge client massive and you put your name on the map for doing work for them and then you go okay because i'm your contractor i do all the work because i'm a contractor you don't employ me i'm contractor so i'm now gonna go and do work over here and then hang on hang on you want to want to want that contractor to ever cause because of our name that you've won that contractor we need some money no no you you trip your trip up at step one because you hired me as a contractor and not an employee unless i have signed something which these people haven't signed something at the start of their contracts because there was no fucking switch so it's like and they've only just decided it this year i highly doubt that it just so often that vega fucking styles page by the guy all signed this brand new contract this year i just highly doubt that well they wouldn't have done but there is some the most be something in the contract that says you can't do it because otherwise it'll still be carried on and page is gonna carry on she said let's see what happens is she because i thought that i think i saw yesterday was actually stopping see i don't think she is i don't know again i've seen really conflicting things i'm finding it very hard to pin this new story down like really really hard it's like that's what ww are lying on is that it's confusion and if somebody does something because pages are making ww anyway no of course not because she's injured and she can't wrestle again so like from their point of view is like who cares but they do care because we've seen how the act with wrestlers yeah where the sensees and assists over caps raises and they're never gonna use and say yeah like trying to you know six months after we've released them trying to trying to get the rights to say yeah like wow you know it's so it's which they lost by the way which is why that's in ftr's music now but it's just but it's something so stupid that we know how petty ww are and the thing that i saw today was the backstage anger about this whole twitch thing and of course you've got to be angry you know because obviously they're using their pseudo celebrity to create gaming channels and their funds are giving them money so my opinion on that is is its own you know that that's its own kind of for me because cami is the worst so them stopping people doing cameo i think he's totally justified because cameo i think is is detrimental to your brand name like if you're a massive company and again you know people can have you know you can have a contrary position if you want but my my opinion of cameo is when because you know i've seen articles with price lists for ww wrestlers and there's you know bivin sakstan 30 dollars okay that's that's fine you know 30 30 dollars for a video message it's fine 400 dollars is you're trying to stop people from you know because if you know kevin o'ins or fin bally or elixir bliss or the undertaker or whoever the fuck's on there they're charging 30 dollars that's all they're doing all day yeah because they're that big names the big names you're the bellers what do it the fucking that's all they're doing all day while the breastfeeding like trying to fucking do one of these coming over the years so the charging 400 dollars for it and i'm not saying it's everybody else's it's just the article moments ago that sort of our bliss but somebody paid 400 dollars to ask her out right these those people at that level of fandom and not in the right mind i don't give a fucking to millionaires and they're just on the rubbing a bit of fun i don't give a shit if you're paying 400 dollars to get a personalized video message from a celebrity you're out if you mind or you know if you've got millions and maybe you're not out of your mind but if i that's exactly what i think is i think it's praying on vulnerable people so cameo i think he's very brand's destroying so ww sweeping in and saying get the fuck off that now yeah it's fair enough but for me twitch people can give what as much money but it's not a it's not a you know it's not a fucking you have to give money like you can watch i watch like you know fighting cowboy who's like a great um souls i like the gamer and i you know i've watched all these fucking walkthroughs of games and shit i don't mind you know i don't mind admitting i'm not good enough i get the game to work that shit out myself you know i need to be told where to go in games and he does tell me where to go but he doesn't tell me how to be bosses still you know you do it yourself but he's got two-inch channels and all that kind of stuff i can still access his content without giving him a penny yeah i think it's i think you're right i think that that is it's a totally totally different thing because i i really do i'm really passionate about the twitch thing and i agree with you on cameo because people want to connect with doesn't matter if she calls herself lexie coffered everyone wants to connect with lexbliss and i'm using those in example but they wanted to connect with the rest of us because we want to shout out from that rest uh what twitch you only don't know yeah you might want to see page you might you might really miss page and that might be your way of seeing it but lazy you can still see it you choose to donate to a twitch that is totally your choice as far as i know about it i might be completely wrong i don't know whether it's a paywall for you to even watch or a highly doubt it i think you can just tune in all the videos i've seen where it's like people doing walkthroughs of games or doing speed runs of bloodborne or securo you know like what you're in their stream like somebody comes up and it's like you know david david an x 1986 has donated five dollars you know five dollars yeah you know if you're enjoying that content you know i pay seven pound fifty to watch county get beat on saturday you know what you're into is what you're into like i i've subscribed to new japan i've subscribed to fight tv for a w a lot of people have a ww network it's no different than that i think we're all building our own entertainment like that's the that's the modern era we build in our it's not no longer a case of you know i know a lot of people do buy sky and stuff to watch uh football and things and that's that's like the reason why predominantly people will buy things like sky and beaty but but buying a cable network is so like you know now like i don't we don't even have free view no so i i pay tv license probably rightly or wrongly just just for soussosia i watch i play a real full i pay for i player that is just i pay for that's how much it costs it's got more than a fucking Netflix subscription but you know i pay for i player i pay for Netflix i pay amazon prime because i wanted to delivery i didn't even realize it was tv attached at four months so i'll pay for that that's me i've got disney plus i watch channel four because there's adverts that's free and that's that's it and i will flip between all the different mediums that i want to watch i never just put the telly on there is never just a telly on there's never adverts just flying around in the background never afternoon tv but no idea what i tv looks like no idea it's like i've i've built my own and i pay for it and i probably pay the equivalent of what it costs you to buy sky yeah probably yeah it's a sky package that's and now tv pay for that as well just the dramas and shit not in these but the reason that i think wd is it's got their goat aside from the money which is obviously the biggest deal why it's got their goat why people are doing this is it's controlled because someone's choosing now has the choice to go okay i want to watch wrestling but page i'm a massive fan of i'm just talking about that's clear yeah page i'm a fan of i can now buy a channel to watch page and ask them questions and i can speak to page and i'm gonna pay her i'm gonna i choose to subscribe to this and i'm gonna pledge the money because i actually really enjoy being entertained by this person so i choose her so that's one of my i've got Netflix i've got page on switch i've got this i've got paper aj styles as well i'm like slinging some money and people get to choose how they're entertained these days and wwe i think because it's this old school company can't handle that lack of control because they are still so tightly in this thing of um networks and advertising fees and it's also old fashioned you know they did the wwe network but it's so half-assed because they don't care enough so we can keep an xt on it so it's like they're still super old fashioned and i think for me the money is the big thing i think that they're losing control of their people who they won't employ so they don't want complete control of them but they do want complete control of them so we won't be responsible for paying any of your any of your expenses any of your health shit we don't we won't we don't want any of that but we own yeah and then it's like they go and do these things these loopholes these people have found to make some more money and then the audience go actually i'd rather watch page than watch the whole show and the off chance that she might make an appearance one day as the gm or she might be on the panel for a pay-per-view i'll just pay to watch her all the time well that's what their thought is and that's why i said you know it's super short-sighted because aj star because a lot of the i mean so a lot of the articles that have come out on rag sheets from the last sort of six months from aj styles just point of view is when he's let loose on his twitch channel so we say about gals and some being released and saying quite negative things about wwe as a brand so that's part of it as well because they don't they don't want people just being able to say whatever they want control again it is again it's it's but but that sort of thing is necessary because you do have advertisers and you do have networks so if aj styles goes on twitch and you might get you know 50 000 people watch it or whatever you know it's probably a lot smaller than that but that's eight it's 50 000 and he says i fucking hate wwe not like he said this but i fucking hate wwe because they let my friends go and it felt like it's my fault and all this kind of stuff everyone that i talking shop mainly guys yeah i was talking to aj style before all this started aj styles was talking about signing for fucking aw and like oh him gallows and understone was supposed to turn up in and then and then he got a massive fucking deal because of that he got a massive deal from wwe and you have to stay which is fair enough because he's in his retirement mode you know he's not in i need to do some good shit mode he's in the time of mode so it's just it's shit like they can't change the goal post like that's because for my opinion of it is if that was me you know because page will be earning enough money through twitch to sustain herself and for all advertising and all the shit she probably does on the side you know like fucking fashion stuff probably or produce whatever it she needs to do what does she need that guarantee for well this is it i think i think she i would imagine she's probably at stage where she would quite like to be out of contracts because she knows she can earn more and everyone is everyone's quite behind her at the moment and you know talk us when he's broid around well yeah well i don't i've got to make quite clear that i don't have any sympathy for these wrestlers no there's no sympathy i know actually i disagree i'll be honest because i think that if i take page for example i think aj styles is a different beast but i have a different argument for him but my argument for pages you know she was like what fucking 19 when she signed a first ww contract yeah it's what she's a child no essentially and the it's this big company she moves away from her family and you sign it you're fucking reading she didn't have fucking lawyers when she was 19 i'll do it she just signed it and she signed it and signed it and signed it and the contracts will get longer and longer and longer and she'll get a guarantee and all that shit but i do i do feel sorry for her i really do because it was fine until it wasn't fine and that's the bit that i disagree with ww yeah but that's when i feel sorry for the wrestlers because it's and then it's like what you know you've not built anything over them ww apart from the shit she was doing for family when she was a child like she's not been apart from that and she was doing the twitch stuff and that was her you know like her thing like okay i'm still working i can still be in the public eye because that's all i fucking know how to be a celebrity and my stars waiting because i can't wrestle anymore so this is a new way for me to make money fantastic and ww so we've only got oh sorry you can't do that anymore you can't wrestle with us anymore because you're injured but you can't do that while you're under contract with us yeah i think it's shady it is super shady the only reason like because i don't disagree with anything you're saying the only reason why i don't have sympathy is because we're talking about millionaires i know and it's people crying on a twitch stream who's a millionaire like she's got a massive fucking house and i live in a one-bedroom flat like that's why i don't have any sympathy don't necessarily agree with what they're doing but my if it was me and they're like right who who decide with well i'd side with the talent because the talent uh the talent is always what makes a company it doesn't matter what situation you're in your talent is what makes your company so page and styles and selena vega and arseblar and miro to some degree before he left and you know people like it's avian who are massive on switch apparently but you know i've never seen him do it you know they're they're they're the talent that i'm trying to forward your company so you're you make your millions by giving them a little bit so i always i will always side with the talent because the talent are the ones that the reason why i want to watch it like i don't watch i mean i don't really watch ww at the moment if i want this but i watch a w because of a mega because of the unbox to some degree even if even though i think everything but in ring is a little bit poor you know that's got you know it's tough thing to say but you know you're watching you're watching a particular brand because of the talent that that there um however i also think that it's it's quite shameful of her to be crying on a switch on a twitch dream yeah i i know what you're gonna say no no you don't you don't know i'm gonna say i was gonna agree with you and say read the room in a little bit we're in a little bit pandemic and you're fine this is this is the thing this is the issue like we're talking about a millionaire who's being stopped becoming a bigger millionaire we're not talking about somebody who isn't being paid a guarantee while they're under contract which is going to be more than enough money for somebody to live plus all the other shit that she'll have going on she'll have photoshoot she'll have advertising she'll have clothing brands probably she'll have like the bellows have got fucking wine and you know podcasts and all this kind of shit like not saying the bellows are under i don't know if they are i mean i would presume they are under some sort of contract but i think ww they'll they'll have been smart and they'll have caught ww into it um into all the other shit that they do but i don't have any sympathy for them but i do disagree with the situation that they're in because i don't you can't change the goal post is my kind of view on the the twitch thing you can't say it's okay for somebody to do it or to allow them to do it for quite a long time and then just because they're successful so sweet the rug out from under and you can't do that but i won't give it a second thought because you're talking about millionaires it was like completely completely i think where it starts getting really messy like really fucking messy is styles because he was styles before wwe styles clash was a thing and he debuted at royal rumble i think didn't he yes and he was massive he was a megastar and i know that wwe's made him a bigastar but he was established with that name with everything at that point and that i find his one really tricky do you know what i mean yeah it is really tricky it's like okay so what how much do you own when he had that name to start he can't claim his name now so you can't claim his whole career you can't say that oh if it weren't for oars you wouldn't have all this money because you i don't think you can quantify the styles thing i'm sure there are people who will try and go okay well you join now this may follow us on it on i'm sure we'll get this petite you get this many followers on twitter and you quadrupled it overnight oh yeah definitely so technically you know you could probably take three quarters of the money away that you make now and that's probably what you'd make so you make three quarters more maybe more than that but i do find that that's like you're getting into a proper grey area with so that's why i feel really differently between the two yeah like page i feel like very differently because she can't wrestle anymore so it's like can you not just cut her off because the way she talks about the company sounds like she wants to be caught off she wants to go she's adding up of them she does not say in oh you know i love wwe reebo boo boo boo you know she's really going to town on him so it's like right cut her off just cut her off just cut off her fucking down and see she's not a part of wwe anymore she's been punked she's not a part of it anymore which is probably where it's going and i think that's the best way forward but for styles you've got to really if you want it to take that further i think he's got quite a case more so than page if he wanted to he desperately wanted to and he's like i fuck it i'll team up with that like politician guy fired and gets in and wants to sue wwe i'll join forces with him because i think i've got a good case well that side of it is different in my eye so that so that Andrew yank who wants to take wwe to task over the employment wars is different than the switchthink because i think when somebody even though styles will own his name and everything like that because you know the graphics that they've used since day one styles was using already so it's stuff that he's already had what it'll be because it's definitely this because if it wasn't it all still be switching and nobody would even be talking about it and it'd be behind the scenes it is definitely you can't make money off your name over the wwe while you're under contract yeah aj we pay you a lot on each year so please stop if you don't stop you're in breach contract and you lose whatever it is because you know he obviously got off of the contract during that time when he was thinking about jumping and it was considerable to the point where he couldn't go because can's got money like it won't be a case of you know it won't be a case of aw w match it it's wwe doubled their offer when they realized that that's what was happening and we know they do that because jr said they did that and jerry co said they did that and then you know events were trying like play the schoolyard games and then would ring them up after they've signed for a wm go can you get out of it will pay you more like just be out of pure petty so the money's flying around that place like nothing so everything they do is petty but they obviously can say stop you have to stop because of why none of them would stop because styles wouldn't stop and styles would have been professional enough to not cry on the twitch stream and because obviously he still wants to be employed there so page won't care about the professionalism side of things but he has just gone you know it isn't goodbye i've got a year or two left on my contract i'm gonna keep negotiating with him and he'll say okay you know if you right now if you let because why not you could go back to Vince now and say okay right now i'll sign a new contract for two more years on less money if you let me do twitch yeah and they'll go okay well it's in styles is contract like because why wouldn't they it's somebody who's working with them it's reciprocal that's that's the annoying thing like you said it's it really is reciprocal if you can pull some of your twitch viewers to wwe and i suppose that's where page isn't as helpful to them no because she's not on wwe what styles is you know if he can win some people perhaps to end up tuning in you know someone is a fan of wwe to be in styles starts watching the twitch stream and they've got mate who don't watch wwe to be like this guy's really entertaining yeah and they go oh i really like this guy i'm gonna watch him on raw he's a raw now and he's like i'm gonna put raw on oh there's a guy or watch on switch oh guess what hey no gmate that's a guy on switch so it's it's it's reciprocal and i think we should work with him like and styles will be doing that at the moment he'll be saying listen this earns this much a year right i'm either gonna stop or i'm gonna give you this much yeah and they'll take it because of course they will because and they'll sign and they'll sign the contract they'll be fine if you're like while you're under wwe contract we get 50% of your twitch money it's like okay well if you're doing this i want my WrestleMania fee to be this much yeah i know that's when the negotiation will come in but page doesn't have a leg to stand on because you can't say well my next fine because it isn't i'll come back at WrestleMania for you for free if you let me do this and let me keep all the money because that's the amount of money potentially that they would have paid to me like it brought less than i was on switch unless they brought less than a million a million dollars per year on switch and he's like well you're wwe contracts you can't do that anymore it's like okay well instead of paying me five million dollars to just do wrestle any season how about you pay me three and they'll take it because they've saved two million dollars you know that's the way it will work you have to offer them something and unfortunately because you've signed that contract they can pull the kill switch on it so why not go back and that and so because like selina veger and alice bak you know they're not obviously not as big as ours as the other two are so they don't really have a bargaining chip when you get your job down on smackdown or a main event you know they don't have anything they can well this is the thing the whole reason they brought this in is because of rising talent using the wwe thing to make more money than they make or to top up their stardom that's what it's for it isn't for styles but unfortunately the rules have to apply to everybody and yeah i'm sure styles will it is probably in a position to sort it himself out yeah styles will be complicated people will be fine you'll be absolutely fine but the whole ruling is brought in for people you know like fucking schotzy black art or someone who's like you know you make your debut on an x-c then suddenly got twitch account and you're propelling rinsin and you're rinsin and you're rinsin and i still think if you're not going to employ these people absolutely they should but it is just the way it is that they don't employ them absolutely but i think but my my allegiance is always with the stars yeah especially because you've got a very finite amount of times mate money like it's a short career you know not a lot of the women in particular can go into their forties like the men can you know like they you know you either you know you're not all you know you don't all get the opportunity like micky james can go and have a couple of kids and come back yeah like they don't do that and some of the women don't fucking want to you know if you've had major surgery and have a fucking cesarean or something or if you're you want to have three kids you don't just want to have one child and then get back training and all that crap you know i know it's a choice and therefore you go oh well you know if it's a choice you've made your choice but you don't have that luxury to come back you're looking to tell you you know she's she's sort of said she's come up to four yeah i'm not having kids we're not having children okay she's chosen chosen her path and she's still wrestling she gets to carry on doing it you know she's not in the best law she's probably never going to be a fucking champion again well she gets to wrestle and gets to do it but not everybody wants to make that choice no and it's like Becky Lynch at the moment you know heavily pregnant is she what she'll do oh i'll just have the one child she might want to three come on our five like and then she's never coming back no exactly so it's like there's a finite amount of time to make some cash in that company and they will always have new talent and it's going to be no skin off their nose if someone like Tristrattas goes on and creates their own yoga fitness videos online that people could buy what what how is that damage ww a Tristrattas having a career it doesn't it doesn't but she's out of contract so that's so it boils down to the fact that these people are under contract and they're making money off the ww name like that's not i'm on the side of the talent absolutely yeah but they still if they if they've signed a contract even though they're independent contractors if they've signed a contract to say that they can't make money outside of wwe while she's using wwe's platform to do so then that is well within their eyes yeah but then there's a massive thing of like well they're not employees so you know it's a whole lot of legal shit that i don't you know we don't know about it well it's the fact that you know people will say people not you know obviously there's a Samoa Joe's of the world and the AJ Styles is the world right now keep my name thank you very much which will be a thing that they'll want but i bet they've got a fucking lawyer who said no you keep your name because once you lose your name you lose everything what's everything you've built up to this point take your name with you and you've got a legal letter stunned on if there's any problems down the line but these kids on the front center of foot they don't have any lawyers they can't they don't count forward to someone to look over a contract and say that's a really 0.17.2 of this contract is shadiest foot so you really need to think about this and then if they go back and go oh my lawyer i can just about afford don't like 17.2 like we'll see you then because that's the problem these people are over a barrel when they sign and yes they're fine they're compensated but it is it is an ethical issue but i mean selina veger and elstablack won't be making millions no way so there there's a little bit different because if they're making if they're making say double their guarantee which could be like 100 grand each but they might come out with quite a lot more of that over the course of the year you know then that's that's when it gets that's when i feel you know if somebody's financial security is being challenged by it because obviously you know a lot of the lesser talent like any you know it's sad to say that but the ones who aren't in the big you know maybe them pictures and i also either they've got a title shot and all that kind of stuff but you know all the um like the lower wrongs i say a few jobters was doing it and they were basically doubling their income through doing that and then wdb takes that away it's like wangong you don't pay me that much to do this i'm sure that and i want to say it was a polo cruise here's first contracts that could be wrong but it's definitely somebody the next thing one was 30 thousand dollars i think it was less than that i think they start on like 28 it's like you're paying for your own travel yeah well nxt they're not because they're just in one place or if you're talking about low wrong people and they've got to pay their own travel yeah you're talking you're losing a lot of cash you're doing it for the love at that point well that's why that's why a lot of them get a bus and go around their bus together exactly like it's crazy like that you know there will be people who get paid you know like six figures and i'll be fine yeah but you're talking about people who are going to get paid 30 40 not everyone will get a really good contract you know and i think we'd be shocked at how many people earn so little yeah like they'll earn you know it's a lot to us but when you're having to get yourself about all the time yeah and pay for your own price and stuff yeah that's fucking ridiculous you've got to pay that out of your pocket and it never gets compensated you've got to keep getting on planes yeah anyway i feel exhausted that i might have a little red wine yeah if you want to now the last two things i've got are um is a full full gear card okay and Vince's documentary well you know you asked about either of them at this point you know there's not an awful lot to say about Vince's documentary or then it's happening and my thought being that it's happening because he's getting out that's my theory on it yeah i think i think that the writing's on the wall from i think the i'm gonna sell in the next 12 months the fact that i know people can hear me because this mics great the fact that Vince doesn't like people saying thank you to him at the whole fame he's not like against anyone mentioned his name now he's having a six-part homage to himself the ww's announced yeah suggests to me it's the end of the road yeah i'd agree with that i mean i thought it's always just one of the things i was like you know what would ww be like without a michman like other helmet just to the same it was just literally carry on just being the same as it is you know there'd be no there'd be no differences maybe they might plan there uh the tv in advance and won't change it on a monday on a monday afternoon do you want to go through um full gear yeah okay so this is next saturday maybe we'll do a show before next saturday i'd like to do this one uh so the buy-in match is orange cacity against john sylva of inner circle oh john sylva is fucking hilarious yeah i think it'd be funny however why is cacity doing these types of answers he's dropped down he's dropped down the wrong taster you know so he has that where he technically beats cody and then the rematch loses because of dark order interference really yeah we can sort of say um but after coming out of the program with jerry kara lae wins it's tough isn't it i mean it's a juggling act with um we're telling anyway isn't it but i think i think he's probably it's going to be with a ww in particular because i've got one show and they've got dark mm-hmm i think that you are just going to have people who are top bottom top bottom middle middle in for a bit maybe in a random tag team you know it's going to be like you have your turn and then you're back to the back to the start because there's not enough room for these people so there's only so much orange cacity can do yeah and unfortunately he is dead for me yeah but he's you know he it's really difficult to think of him in a very very serious you know program with someone like he's always funny yeah so and with jerry co that's great because he's really funny you know mjs a different beast it can be either yeah so but orange cacity is i don't know because he doesn't have much talking that's the whole point we'll see we'll see what they do with him yeah i think he's gonna have an attack team well it'll just be best friends manager again i think because we're kind of hinting on that with the lemajat match and i see you know like i saw anyway so and this is just the first match that they've put on okay on this list right sure Jericho versus mjf if mjf wins he joins the inner circle see i was dead surprised with this when they announced it after the town hall thing i was like oh that's kind of not how i thought this was gonna go down i thought it was gonna be a massive breakdown i thought maybe you join the inner circle or maybe Jericho would get kicked out they'd tag for a bit not was a great idea and then they'd have a feud and then all like going against each other to still continue this story of him joining the inner circle i don't quite understand what's what why what i don't know i've been totally thrown off this yeah it's just not something i expected because like oh you go watch on the inner circle so we both have a match against each other but it's kind of like friendly because you've got to join the inner circle but it's not friendly yeah do i want you to join do i not want you to join you know that's good in itself that you kind of guessing but it's just not how i thought their first singles match would be i thought their first singles match would be like super animosity it's broken down i didn't think it'd be oh let's shake our hands and you can join if you if you're beating it yeah well we've still got a like a dynamite before this yeah so who knows as far as the go home show like who knows what will kind of go there i mean the way they kind of left it this week was santa and orses or i kind of if it is santa and orses but basically gotta go against mjf and wardlow it's like you ain't gonna make it there because we don't want you in there now i don't think for a second they will do this but i was thinking about it before i thought wouldn't be funny if they do like the finger poker doomship where like it's a big thing like jereco comes out mjf comes out and then jereco just lays down and just gets pinned really quickly so then so then they've got the inner circle the other inner circle members can't say shit yeah as he's technically beating yeah i think there's something in there there's got to be some because they i just think that their rivalry you know they had the fucking musical number the week about them being all that i was being my shadow and all that and then it was the town hall meeting that seemed a bit like aggravated but it's like you gotta beat me like okay i was i was surprised by that by him saying it full full gear will go one one on one and if you win you're in because again they'll laugh they'll laugh they'll laugh because we're not we're not talking about one tonight roaring you know they'll have the end game already planned out but yeah just i don't i can't get me head round that which i like that i can't get me head round why why it's a match in you know just feel so soon like so sudden it was not what i expected that town hall thing to come out with because it was like it just made no fucking because because the people coming asking the questions i liked it was really nice like i loved it poor Avalon yeah poor Avalon the guy Jurassic Express goes hollary yes yeah got some comedy chops on it oh yeah but i think you've got even a team called Jurassic Express the amount of shit i gave Jurassic Express like and i'm still teetering on that fence but obviously i would never publicly do it anymore well christ did i rag like that it was so shit it was shit like if you told anybody about it they'd go oh wow that's lame yeah i was so into the dinosaur and he says he's like billions of years old but he's super funny it was really funny but um what was going to say um yeah like it and then it was like people came and asked questions and then it was straight away okay you're gonna you got to beat me don't want you in here and it's like what i think about what what's going on i'm so confused as to where we're at with this it would make more sense in saying and i think the original plan may have been mjf you've got to beat hager if you want to be obviously hager had to fight which he won so i think that i've put them saying that you know but that might have been something that they would do on a dynamite but the pay per view jereco has got to be on the pay per view so it's i mean it would have made sense to me if they're gonna settle this match is if jereco stuck his hand out i was like yeah you're in and then he was like whoa whoa whoa if he wants to be in he's got to beat you he's got to beat you yeah i'll be in a circle or the one out of four sine jereco to do it yeah so that makes sense to me because of the whole like their mates so like the thing that didn't make sense to me this week was jereco's attitude towards mjf after doing that musical number last week no he want to do this you've got to beat me it's like i'm coming in i thought you guys just sang together and were like isn't it i'm so confused so like it's always always a big plan yeah it's always been the the friends technically but then they call in each other's losers enemies the ultimate friend of me is only but like that's when you know it's it should have still been nicely nicely between the two of them and i think the rest of the inner circle should have called it and got no if he wants he's got to be got approved to what was but by proving towards he has to beat you yeah and jereco goes yeah great idea yeah or he looks a bit shocked or he's scared yeah and then he goes okay yeah and then you go oh yeah that's why yeah that's what i think but yeah i don't know so i i don't know some sort of bullshit is going down i it's not going to be a straight match i don't think i just think that if it was a straight match i just don't get the whole musical thing like that was just because that's just cause well yeah and it could be just cause fine whatever but i feel like it was it's just very strange the way it's played out so far so yeah it is so i do like it i do love it i do love it yeah right next up how do you get samigavere the elite deletion i'm looking forward to this i don't want it i mean it's not a case of like i don't want to see it or anything like that i think you kind of like flogging it that also a little bit now because really because yeah because they had they had to that and i know we went disastrously wrong yeah but that was meant to be the end of it and now we're kind of getting like a forced okay here's how it was supposed to end so that's what makes me not that we're kind of like well not really yeah i know what you mean i think that they've still got a story though and i think if they play it the only way to play it is to play it very very nasty and make it look real even though it's not like make it look nasty between each other where he looks like how he's getting his revenge and he's paying some receipts like that's how i did win so it's like i know i don't know but i was still quite excited to see it yeah no i i would definitely am because i do like and beryl if i think it should be doing more we might already and he shouldn't just be the valator street profits not street profits pry from getting that mixed up and i thought it was easily done um yeah i don't know what's going on now possibly uh well there's quite a few really good matches on this card if i'm honest it's a pretty fucking strong card sure well the one the one that's kind of a my radar is the tournament and it's a mega and hangman now we knew this is where it was going so we didn't we didn't need we didn't need the tournament but last match was great though omega and um pentagon we genuinely for a one point thought pentagon was gonna win which is a job well done because it was a done deal i didn't even have me loot your brother stop on either because i was me the aew delivery for last month turned up um so i got me jereco 30 shirt finally like a month after it um omega's definitely winning that i would say so hangman's had his chance before or the way they're kind of doing it with him being the heel and omega and uh sorry and hangman being like the the face that's kind of you know been downtropping a little bit or cla or i don't want to be with you anymore type thing you know i would love to see to really cement it though i would love to see v trigger one wing angel one two three yeah so then hangman's just like fucking drunk like all the time he's like really depressed i mean the kind of we're doing that anyway like he any plays that part quite well yeah of the you know the guy hanging out of the bar um i i i kind of have a funny feeling about this that it can go either way because the whole like japan relaxing their travel rules for the rest of the world and the whole like january being yes again yeah there's a real part of me that thinks maybe and i don't know quite no i'll be doing it over there i'll still not that way with it but there is a part of me that thinks kenny omega's gonna be there for a rest of the game yeah which then makes me think he could potentially lose this and disappear see i don't think he'll disappear like i think he'll do anything it'll be yeah if you don't have to ask for my question you have to talk to yourself well you know it's just when the mic's not here sitting towards me self as is no i mean hangman has been in new japan as well like you know quite a lot so i don't think that would make any sort of difference to the outcome because if you didn't say you know well he wouldn't the title matches for wrestling to be kind of set as it is anyway for some night so if night i was not it will potentially be going against uh uh abu she anyway and so i don't think i don't think a mega would have an adw title or anything like that i i think for this year i don't think that's going to happen i would love it too just for just for pure um enjoyment but i don't want too many like i don't want everybody like like one of their old rasal kingdoms i was kind of watching over there he was on it and egg was on it jereco was on it and i know they were there at the time and all that kind of stuff and it's you know it's not really uh um it wasn't like an adw take over but that's the problem with it is i don't want when you know if because rOH seemed very confident that new japan is still gonna partner with them um but you know adw said like brogulisa did an interview that the very um you know the happy with him going wrestling for new japan but i don't want it to be like an aw take over where like all the top matches are aw people because i'm you know i'm just starting to really get into it as a company so i don't mind a few like exhibition matches but i don't want them to go over there and like take it over because that's not what i'm interested in um but what i'm saying is like the title matches for wrestling kingdom are pretty much set so i don't think you know like the g1 climax when it gets a title shot so and i don't see a mega going in there just to be like a tag team match i mean you know i do but who knows um but there's no way for me your leg is not winning it because it just it i'm decisively because it just makes a lot of sense well i think i don't know what you've just said sorry anyone had me waiting then i'm not fine i didn't i didn't hear you so don't know why i'd have the door open because they're like what doesn't matter no one hears you it's fine okay but i couldn't quite hear you but i don't know whether this is what you were saying you know they've just turned him heel they've just put all this effort into his new persona so it'd be a bit odd if he lost there's no ways to lose but i i i think it's gonna be ten seconds okay like that's what i would assume because they'll build it up this Wednesday yeah there'll be a whole build up to it where hangman wants to get like a bit of retribution or he wants to kind of show him that they could still be a tag team or something like that like that won't completely go away and a mega will be the one that's saying no i can't be asked about and i literally think it'll be the same a similar sort of thing or i don't think it will because you know it's kind of pissing on hangman a little bit so i don't think they will do it but if they really want to go for that he's a real credible contender for moxley present all or kingston but he won't be but i think um have him have him fucking murdering yeah and then at the end of it like hangman's just completely fucked like he goes on a massive bender on wednesday you have like hangman against you know anybody and he comes to the ring pissed so you do a bit of a jafar the ask like angle i mean it's very irresponsible to do that to have somebody like on seaving and got in sucked pretending to be you know obviously being too intoxicated but having a little bit like lost and he doesn't we create underdog if you do that when he gets himself in the string no do you know what i mean it's a bit like you can kind of root in for him so yeah if you want to make a super baby face weirdly it's the only way at place you can do it in wrestling where you could make someone who was suffering from depression and a bit of alcohol addiction a super baby face but wrestling is the place to do that well yeah absolutely and the thing with that is i think you come out of that with a mega fake mega face and a mega heel like eventually having that like a bit like the um concrete rose sunny kiss match where he comes in he does a big big elaborate entrance again comes in the shake hands you know bank done yeah and he's and that face again and he's just like non-a-you fuckers can touch me like get get the fuck up and then later on hang on can be the first cut because i do think that the strategy will be a mega wins and then a mega beats moxley because they won't have a mega going against moxley and losing again like they can moxley's at the belt for a long time you know it's time to i think it's time for a mega to be what everybody who watches at a w or maybe not even watching anymore because of the way he's been treated a little bit but i don't have an issue with that because we're trying to build other stars and makers already a star but i think it's time like years and i even said to you when we first started watching it like your time to make a mega the jump is year two when you've got all your new stars and you've got your xw guys and they're all integrated right and we've got the biggest viewing figures even though they're not but we've got the biggest eyeballs on us now now's the time to make our race you know the guy so that's that's why i think we'll go for it but i think you know i would have a five second match you know you're getting a mega heel and a mega face out of it but i don't think i'll do that i think i'll be really close to a mega win so if you didn't win i'd be very shocked i'd be very surprised but um yeah another shock though is the tag team time match so finally we're getting the revival against the young books so ft r against unbox if young bucks will lose they'll never challenge for the belts again that's legitimately bonkers to me yeah because i i do think that that takes all the intrigue out of it a little bit because i don't think a tag because some of that codie you know losing and you know he never goes for the world title again it's fine because you know he's obviously a lot of the backstage obviously and the books as well but he can be the tnt champion yeah the unbox can't be the champions if not unless i'm gonna split them up which would just be meant to absolutely might be might i wouldn't put that i wouldn't take that off the table no i wouldn't either but like i just i think that because of the tag team and there's no other belts to go for i think that takes all the intrigue out of it so you think they're just winning it yeah i think i think it's the only way it could yeah because i just don't think you know like the codie shit i mean at the time codie saying that and then losing was to me that's why the fuck obviously you know he's back to the agent all that kind of stuff but maybe that's the thing that the books have got as well because they're kind of you know in charge a little bit yeah maybe they're not really asked they don't the driver somebody else have it and but you know this this ftr young butts much it's been years and years of back and forth yet so it's got to be good and it will be good yeah i think so too it'll be a great match do you think the books win because that's the relation i'm not sure i'm not sure about that i'm really not because i just i just think that he can go back on anything seriously so he can have a little bit of a break and then someone someone who wants to want to know who can come along and say you're allowed to have you know i mean he doesn't matter like they just don't have a crack at it for the foreseeable i don't think it's off the table forever well if ftr what i'd be so shocked yes holy fuck so the unbox will never be a w tag team champions that's to me in my head just is like it's like the only books are gonna win again because they've done the thing you know with the omega they've gone complete heel yeah and it's a bit like right you're building up for something there's a reason why you do that you know they don't have a horse in the race anymore with the hangman yeah like that's completely split from them so like doesn't really matter but maybe it's their sort of like heel runners champions i think it'd be good for them so even though i don't like the song i think it'd be good for a mega is the main champion and them as the tag team champions to have a bit of a bit of a aw run yeah it'd be interesting i think that it would sell more shit more merch because you know you've got like some new to play with in that respect so it just makes sense that they win in a lot of ways if they lost though i don't think it's off the table forever yeah but it's rules they didn't know i know if it's it didn't lose i'd be legitimately like what before i think it'll be very close i think it'll be like it'll like it's anyone's game while the match is only definitely it'll be back and forth mad spots great tag team wrestling obviously ftr are the architects of every match of the year through nxt controversially think someone's gonna get involved in that to make sure the books win yeah yeah and that will set up maybe ftr's next thing yeah i think i've got a funny feeling obviously ftr's doing a bit of heel shit you think they turn face on that night yeah i do i think someone's gonna this is my prediction someone comes in and makes sure the books win and that then sets up ftr is like super faces yeah to fenj yeah yeah we'll see we'll see we'll see i just i i don't want some because we've waited so long for this match i know that i don't i don't want it to happen yeah i don't want some bullshit i want it clean i want a clean decision i don't want but obviously you know if you wait so long for something just give him a little taste and then take it away that's the way to do it well then they go back against each other again like it then it's then it's even bigger stakes it's even higher than so i don't know something like you know that some bullshit happens the books win and then they just don't let ftr like challenge yeah and they're like oh then our next challenges are fucking that crazy what they're called they're h-summer you know those two dancers which is they're all like you know Joey Janelle and Sonny Kiss are the next in line and they're like what yeah yeah yeah it's like all that you know ftr b-sonny kiss and Joey Janelle are on dynamite but they were so impressive they get the next shot like that yeah i think that'd be quite cool who knows who knows who the thought knows uh the maddest cnt championship scramble who the fox the number one contender who's getting what but we've got Cody we've dar and versus Darby Allen for it on the pay-per-view which in itself is great but where the fuck this came from you know just just from him being Ricky Starks you know the you've had the orange Cassidy thing for two weeks the feuding with the inner circle the dark order what the hell it's like it just doesn't make any sense to me oh no like it should be really Cody against Broglie yeah because they're getting involved unless again you know it's gonna be a really short one where the dark order get involved i think there's gonna be a few matches just not straightforward yeah that screams not straightforward because it doesn't you know Darby Allen's not really apart from beating Ricky Starks he's not really done anything with them in that situation you know it's not like he's you know i'm gonna be so intrigued of the go home show yeah because that could change a lot of things really i'll just at least give some hints as to how it's gonna unfold yeah but we'll see we will see so maybe it's time cheater maybe maybe it's time a w women's world championship match ironically the first a w's women's championship match that we saw uh she against nylorose with Ricky Ricky Guerrero and the uh see i don't think they're that hot on on she da i think they want the belt offer but it's a strange one to give it to no rose i don't think it's gonna be nylorose you don't think it's nylor's gonna win no i don't i just don't because the reason why is that she da although we've not pushed her she said it ages they've been pushing brick baker for ages i just would find it very weird because i think they desperate to put that belt on brick or without a shadow so they're just waiting for it so i think they could get reset i think they would so i'm not sure how impactful it would be if nylorose won it and then the next time there's opportunity brick baker just takes it off nylorose i mean protects cheater to a certain extent that's why i think it's gonna happen because i don't i i think because she does like a bit of a face and obviously brick bakers well yeah if you're talking like old school face versus heel it makes sense for brick baker to face cheater um cheater beating nylorose twice in the row yeah she's not really been on the show she's been on dark like i know i thought it just i thought it knows i thought it knows i don't know what their plans are i don't know how they feel about their chump i know that they want brick baker to offer belt i think they want anybody i'm surprised it's not brick baker just going for this match to be perfectly honest yeah just straight in yeah i mean considering she's wrestling now yeah i don't i tell you what i want i want a good match because the last few weeks there's been really good so since so since she does last appearance on dynamite you know there's been two really good women's matches one with brick baker and i can't remember a name but it was like you know somebody who's like 12 or 12 that was a really good box free match to some degree and then you've got serene adiv against again somebody who is a dark loser like not loser i'm not saying that she's a loser but you know like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah for the end of it yeah i mean the nwa title thing is the one thing i can't get me adround like why the bothering like why why i hear you know it started off as like well the only way we can get a thunderozer on this show is if we do it as an nwa title match um to well now serene i mean there's been all sorts of rumors and all that stuff around in thunderozer like both aww and ww are like fighting to sina which is fair enough but that's why she wants to belt to serene adiv but it just doesn't make sense to have like the it's still the nwa title on i don't get it i honestly don't get it whatever but it's just a bit shit but i don't i don't know what it adds to it it's not adding anything i mean serene adiv is signed to aww so there's obviously something going on there because she's signed and then beat from the roser yes very odd it's very very strange i think i don't have to literally i think they're they're women's meeting so like they have they've got a three-hour meeting i think the women's part of it last about ten minutes and they're like it's it's all right okay yeah well she'll be there yeah by who wants billi one swap all right just give well as we said you know the there's always two focuses for any show and there's three lots of and it's probably you know like i was giving um new chpanship for you know their traditions of not having women on their matches well at least they're able to throw everything into what they show because it seems like if you have men's singles tags and women's yeah don't even think about fucking women's tags wwe you know that's fucking shit showing it either folks are women's tags in japanese and wwe now i don't know for being that's a really good point i cannot see anything on that who knows i i know loads of people know probably shouting at their fucking thing listening to this but we don't know that well do that but the thing is that you can only do two really well and a w focus rightly on tags because of young books and they've got ftr what's i have to do ftr that's tas and then yeah and then there's the men's singles because they paid a lot of money for the men yeah they've not paid they've not invested a lot of cash as i said on last time last show and the women's women are the third place yeah wwe the tags are in the last place women singles men's you can't have three i mean we certainly have four new japan i've got so many fucking belts looking on i don't really know like they've got like three three way tag belts they've got super junior belts they've got and they're coming out of the US title but fucking heavyweight title i think night so is both the intercom i'm the heavyweight champion you know he throws two belts in the ring now which is great every game matters though because i think your brain can only i think you want everybody to have equal foot in four as soon as there is something about like in wrestling there are three genders and it's men women and tags yeah well that's just the way it is like it's that's the way it goes and i think that it's really hard for those three two vie for position yeah it's achievable but the only way that we know that enough attention gets paid is if there's considerable money on the line and they're inconsiderable money on the line for the women in a wwe they ain't paid much so now they did say though straight away that the women would get paid the same that was their big selling point which i think is correct but it's why they've not got harpy any women yeah i just don't think they've put them on in their pocket and signed anybody like they would need as we've said before to get someone massive from wwe that's the only division that i think a wwe needs to really consider investing in a star again as an like a stock record but it would make them pull their socks up on the women's because like right we just spent a shitload money on this see what i would rather they did though is sign a few indie wrestlers that i've got a big name and have because brit baker can lead that division it doesn't need child welfare and as much as i would be laughing my ass off like literally fucking belly laughing if child player turned up on an aw show i'd be like this is hilarious and but i don't think they need that i think they just need because the issue is they've got so she's the last couple of she'd matches they've been botched all over the place you know the thunderrows of thing that they had with um it was it was it either either lee sort of the amount say what one of them two where she stopped selling it was like fucking hell i talk about like you know from both of them the level of unprofessionalism you know you're on a tv show and you're gonna bitch one you're gonna bitch about getting into it and you're gonna get into it you know you're both need your ads knocking together and then like the whole Jericho thing and like that the one with the red air can't you know i don't know names but like she's not joining in she's just with a sour face but then when the camera comes back around again she is so somebody's obviously gone it's like fucking hell i do as i've said before i do think whole division needs a shot in the arm and i think what gives a shot in the arm to certain so like for example the young books you know their tag you know their tags were great the tag teams were great well add ftr in which i bet they always said we don't need them what we've gotten i mean happy to have them but we didn't really need them but they make everybody pull their socks up and they make everyone start going to tony can't go and have got ideas but i did i'd really like to do this you add somebody in there some high profile female it makes everybody start going okay i've got some fucking ideas because i don't want to get lost in the shuffle here and at the moment i don't think that's the case i think the only person that makes anybody pull their socks up is brit baker yeah and i don't think i i think brit baker needs somebody slightly bigger than her so just elevate every yet to bounce off she can still be mrs a w i think she needs someone massive to go toe to toe with and the crowd are going bonkers when they go toe to toe and i bow in each other at the moment doesn't matter who she stands against don't think anybody's that asked because nyla rose is arguably the next biggest person i would say both in stature and in star power she's probably ficki gorero i love ficki gorero but she's not being on that amount yeah of all people i mean she didn't need to have and it was funny when she was like oh you'd be successful you've got to laugh someone in your corner i loved that but she was poking fun at it the whole point was it's a piss take so where's my person and she's allowed to see shirts like horrendous i mean a pecanis if you're gonna do it if you're gonna do it and she's got you know she's coming at it from a tongy cheek all right i've dragged someone along i'm going to the star now but then you do nothing well nyla rose has to be on dynamite this week yes they have her and she to have the gun face to face and there has to be a segment to me it can't just be because like this week she did do an about stage interview where obviously you know she's she's giving three words because that's all she knows and or that's all they're all i wanted to say is like i'm ready for you or something like that you're full gear let's go type thing they need to do something that makes you give a shit about that division because they do a lot for brit baker they do a lot of segments she she was in the town hall meeting where it was very funny saying about you know the whole trump smile thing was very very very funny but brit baker get with reba or reba whatever but yeah but that's not a actual name no reba is what brit baker calls about i keep saying reba because that's what they're doing and obviously they're going for that i think it's rebel i think it's supposed to be rebel even though it's not spelled like it or maybe it was felt like it until but anyway but she gets a lot of screen time to develop so we all know that she's the main main woman in there so they have to do something i think on wednesday to make me give a shit about this march because to me we're back at square one it's she either against nine rows i've not seen nine rows i'm dying of mine for fucking ages and i've not seen she either on dynamite for ages either we've had an end up we've had two nwa title matches you know obviously she was in one of them but you know i'm not even but you know what i mean she like she tagged with thunderows or against evil eason demon who won the women's tag team thing and to beat them easily you know it's again it's another foot on your head type thing they need to do something on wednesday where it has 10 minutes yeah picky barreros on the mic agree totally agree i think it's a fault out of it i do something i've got to put a bit of effort in i was going to ask you something and i thought of it earlier in the week and i know it's a really fucking obvious thing to ask and it may not be offensive actually but um well i'm sure i'm sure we'll be all right some shit i've gone out of my mouth but you know like omeiga for example yeah you know he is massive in japan yeah i do think that people like shinsuke and asker at the start um cheeder potentially i think when he does a language barrier calling spots is really hard because i think that a lot of matches are you calling it on the spot and if you're language barrier i think voxians are going to be massive and that's why i think omeiga because he can go in japan and people go spots doing japanese and he's fine he's not it's not a problem jerry kosmach you can't speak japanese but that will have been rehearsed of in an inch of its life to me well night i was a fucking great wrestler anyway so i don't think they'll that would have been an issue so but i do think that potentially and i could be wrong gear but i think people like she did for example because we saw you know that a w match where they had loads of you know they had those japanese women who obviously been all speaks to one another and they can all it was great it was fantastic it was really really good i think that you were like a sufferer it really suffers and i can't remember whether it was the bell as you said about like that match where something got changed on the fly where it was the rumble do you remember what i said where the men were complaining that the women were going on second and i don't know if it was niki and asker i'd go to a hotel and try and find it out and figure it out between them like that's what they have to do because he can't call spots with a language barrier because you can if you talk very fast they're not going to fucking get it no and if you whisper you know i couldn't learn japanese so i'm blue in the face i can spend 12 months doing it so i whisper say quickly in japanese and i'm getting thrown against the boat shit i don't know what you've just said today do you think that's what some of the issues where she does matches have been though i really really do i really think that that is a situation across the board i think that she needed to have some you know some people who who were who can understand that people speak the same language and it's all down to style i suppose but i think that you know hearing what jerryko said you know about like many matches yet called in the ring yeah and when you're in wwe that's less so because it's all very it's choreography in each of its life however i do feel like a w has the attitude of like your old professional wrestlers just talking about doing it and i think that that's where you're at a bit of a disadvantage if english isn't your first language yeah because it's never the finish that the botch in it's the it's a bit in between and it's like it has got to be some problems in that because you can't get every single spot mapped out because things go a bit wrong and you're in a different place and you're not quite in the right spots then you have to take a decision and those bits where you pull each other and chat to each other if that gets a bit lost and you don't quite know what she said did she say that you know and vice versa for you know the english speaking people is that quite sure what she said to me just that absolutely yeah because she obviously struggles with it because she's not doing long promo she's giving one or two word answers no i'm okay yeah i'm going to make some food after this i think yeah you're second right um but yeah i'm with you and for many of the wrestlers especially if like they're the only one who's like not an english speaker and you're pretty much stuck there it's like what can you do yeah definitely how can you make it magical and happen when you've in over your in over your head a little bit yeah but i did enjoy the the neither rose she'd have matched straight away when we put that first paper you know we saw that was a good match well since since then she does not add a great match she's not even had a good match there's been a lot of a lot of fucking around going on and a lot of missed kicks and and missed punches and and and oh was that supposed to be a headlock you know type thing so maybe right with that um i think she would probably if she's not when all borders open everything you know if she if she's not out of there straight away then i think all the people if she is she japanese she yeah okay but like over japanese i know over japanese wrestlers i think will need to come so she she was in she was involved in that six woman tag but she was like the mid card woman yeah so like when rio was obviously rio was the one that they hung the hat on straight away because rio beat neither rose yeah in that which was which was great you know because it was it was the whole underdog she looks like she weighs 50 pounds because about four four going against nana rose and she won and that was the whole that was a whole narrative the reason why jr so often said you know this looks like a massive disadvantage you know this looks like it's going to be a breeze but that's why that's why she won um i just i just don't know like i think i still think they're waiting on a lot of people because like i mean i know like two of the uk people obviously be priestly is in new japan like she's not in new japan but she's the valator osprey so she's on their shows so she's working she's not like it's not like she's in the uk just that's where normal thumbs like never is and i think the other one i got released if she got released from a contract but as soon as that opens up again there's going to be an influx of at least five people that aren't five women who aren't on the show that would have been on the show because they had the freddy mercury in those areas obviously she was like more of a trainer role because she was a bit older than the other ones but you know big big time name in japan rio was there be previously the release that of woman which i was kind of sorry but i can't remember your name and there is all those people from you know from those organizations that they can draw from because they can go back and forth they can wrestle you know for for sure is it shine yeah i guess i can't get me a roundie at the moment i'm trying to look at too many things but if you know if they can go back and forth like they do we need japan there's a plethora of talent there because we know people like seouli storm did a lot of japanese tours you know so there's a lot of not necessarily like japanese wrestlers who were there or who will be there that aww can draw from so i think covid has hit that division hardest because you know really aww is only missing nevel on the men's single side of things but it's i it's still not not an excuse to put on a ship match and that's why it's starting to drop down the pecking order why there isn't two women slots there is only one and all that kind of stuff but to have your women's champion like on the show once a month and it's fun because it's insane and the only way she was on it you know she has that match with swal which was awful like botchity pretty much i mean it probably did get on botchomania but you know it's not as bad to say it was or it was i think awful is probably a bit strong but it wasn't as good as the the next few that we get we get ones that are supposed to be on paper at squash match like shoon up matches for like brit baker and serene of eveaver even you know and then you've your women's champions just had a match against the number one contender and it was a botch vest yeah and then you've got the ones that are like oh and twelve giving brit baker a really good match and it just that's that's the bit that they need to agree totally agree what's the last on the list i quit mocksley kingston looking forward to this i really like any kingston win in it but i can't seem to say i quit either no i can't i can't i can't it's weird doesn't it's interesting definitely interesting do you think any of the family get involved yeah but i can't just can't see it going kingston's way i mean it would again it'd be a massive shock but i would love it if kingston was suddenly like the champion me too me too and he could be easy like he could quite easily happen i just yeah just don't know i don't know i suppose i mean the thing is if the family get involved and that kingston wins and then we've got like an omega kingston thing it kind of protects mocksley yeah it does so it makes a lot of sense mocksley doesn't lose clean there's a bit of cheating going on and then omega comes in and takes it off kingston yeah then mocksley against omega is a huge deal it's huge because it is now because i mean at the time it was huge yeah whole like i mean i know it wasn't during their match like the other match but i mean the match itself was amazing like suplexes into barbed wire and i kind of shit but the whole intro to it which was the you know the six-man tag where mocksley turns up and DDT's in through the class table is is a i would say like an iconic w moment at the moment so yeah it's so hard to predict like i think it's so much even though we're never right never even though we're never right i think a wwe is so easy to say that's what's going to happen right next whereas w i'm like this would go one of four fucking ways and this could happen i could see this i could see that it's the fact that you know it's planned in advance so you know everything sort of makes some sort of sense so whereas in wwe because we've heard decisions get made on the fly or when somebody wins when you know that you think a shit that person who's lost yeah because that mackinsire orton thing they mackinsire was told again ragsheets mackinsire was told two hours before the pay-per-view that he's dropping the belt to orton so then there's this there's this article that i read not in the main ragsheet that i read but on a different one it's like loads of people backstage were like really confused by the fact that orton's the champion it's like why but you know that's why i would say there's a problem with making any decisions like the whole the fiend dropping it's a goldberg on the day because he winged you know making those decisions is they have ramifications for months i know of who the champion is like it you can't just make that decision like two hours before the match is supposed to go ahead you know and these two are you know poor orton as well like they're supposed to work a fucking finish out i mean you're giving him two hours to come up with it it's like you know but yes one of them yeah fuck knows when it comes to uh i thought what i think is gonna happen is mocksley wins even with the interference okay and then you've got a mega mocksley for a bit okay and that's the rivalry going into the next pay-per-view but if it didn't and it was like kingston one and then you've still got kingston because the thing is is like it's a bit like a money in the bank this tournament you know and then you can walk around with the contract like a bit like you know who she's doing with the g1 you know he walks around with a contract that says even though like and obviously i'm coming into it like he's got no idea how he's got this put kensa's got a briefcase that says i would be gp heavyweight championship that so footnails out of that but i'm sure i'll find out from like going back through the older footage and stuff but you know and then you can walk around for six months whilst mocksley's doing his bit with you know depending on how long because i think is like kingston's mouth is i think right in a shitload of checks at the moment you know the whole thing where you know the beat the fuck out of mocksley and then it caught but then he was still going afterwards i mean they always do that they always do a bit more after dynamite goes off the air and then they put it on youtube or whatever well that that promo went on for fucking ages that that kingston was doing and you know he's you know he's off air but so he's doing it for the fans and he's doing it for the fact that he'll be put on youtube by the day after or something but i think i lost to kingston in an i i so kingston saying i quit kind of just strips him of all his power just can't see it you know what i would do if i was them and this sounds really intense but when mocks legal's his last promo like on wednesday and he's like i'm gonna make you say i quit i'm gonna make it so this is what i do the family record mocksley saying i quit and then when the rest backs turned you play the record and the rest is saying i quit a bit rock like mankind yeah just like you play it back and then it's like the rest like it's over and mocks i didn't say anything kind of thing but it's like they've recorded him from his promo so yeah sort of shit but like that's how i do it yeah it's a bit it's a bit out there well it's been done a lot a lot yeah but like i think that potentially i think that would be a good way to do it so that then kingston gets it mocksley's never quit yeah he's been tricked the ref's been tricked everybody knows the ref got tricked but then you know like kingston's got the belt he's got the protection and he's because he's obviously you know we we knew from day one even though we always know the heel is using his people but he really made it clear by the winging at the camera when he was splitting everybody up you know he made it clear from like day one when he was like getting in between the luchibros and stuff by like hooking him and then like doing the nod and the wing so it was like he was always saying i'm playing years old so it's been leading up to you know him using these people to get to where he wants to be so i'd be super surprised if he quit if he said i quit i think he will cheat to and they'll help him because he's manipulated yeah absolutely ark yeah so it's exciting that if we had free reign the way i would do it oh i'm gone is i would have it i've eaten like so the cheating they're doing all the shit they do that i quit thing yeah but the ref finds out and it's and the match continues match continues the butcher and blade drags somebody out from the back we would have got a hood on oh and then they pull the hood off and they've got Renee and they're fucking like a fucking butcher knife so Renee's neck and it's like you have to say i quit otherwise i'm gonna slit these bitches no no it's like so like okay Renee's food but fuck it over the top to the point where like they've got like a fake what do you know those fake knives that they're using like in films where they do like a bit of like a nick down the the yeah down the cheek and i'm sure i'm sure we knew but i should be telling everybody what to do it was like where it's got like a bit of blood on the end but it's like a plastic you're like a movie knife and they do like a bit of a cut down the cheek and it just it looks like you've been caught but it just leaves like a red mark like somewhere like that even if she can't obviously i'm sorry she can't but they could be outside his house about to knock on his back that's a great idea that that's like a south park loophole yeah they could be outside his house saying we're about to go it but there's a silhouette in the window like that one looks a bit like yeah yeah like it's a cut out as a silhouette it's like we're here butchering the blade and so like beautiful life and stuff so he kind of thing that would be tough like if it's like imma moxley i've like a half an hour war and then he you know he's got him and he pulls his face and he's like look at the screen and butchering the blade we're outside his house he's out yeah like the old school yeah but old school like fucking undertaker it's scuffing you know like oh that's all this shit yeah and there's like a there's like a light on it's like which is again undertaker lights on you know that's fucking great that's the only way to get him to say i quit yeah yeah oh that's fucking great oh there's so many things that we're so excited but it's never they're not going to get anywhere you know it'll be straight and Kingston will just say i quit it even though whatever but it's always fun to try jesus that would be great with it they're outside oh they're like jj i was oh my god that's moxley's house so do you know jj i know yes right away yeah how do you know that bush looks familiar hang on it's actually sounds if you go around the back you get a good view of an interesting room like he knows where l.a. j was oh well fucking hell but yeah that's funny they won't do that but that's funny that's funny oh shit but he's got this little speculate but isn't it weird you know and we'll we'll land it on the high of that but we have to do room on i want to say yeah no jesus um we've got to eat about room on i want to say yeah i'm sure chris um i've got the poll to be able to do it but in it weird i like we're talking about like a.w paper use we're quent with these old mad ideas and having fun and having a laugh about it and all this stuff ww is like yeah room and rain so just stay no but we have come we have done that that's what made us stay up and watch the last paper you know oh yeah you do right who's going to come back and it was that oh yeah the fucking is it bold all this or ember moon i mean i still stayed up till three in the morning when you got work at eight like a pair of swats no never learn never fucking oh yeah let's know we can't be ember moon or bold all this who gives a fuck about bold all this oh no here we go yeah let's have a move oh well i've just screwed the week yeah exactly and i'm gonna be fucked up but you all the good thing about full gear sad i don't know right so we can so all we need to do is just fuck us someday yes that's fine that's fine sometimes i don't know it's pretty present it's so depressing i hate it yeah i hate sunday yeah even though it's a day off yeah i genuinely was thinking about going back to what it's rubbish it's a waste the only decent part of your weekend when you have weekends off is friday night and sad is all right because you're pretending sunday's not going back but exactly right do you want to know the results from the poll that we did so this is to go back three hours or are available on this podcast.

It's, um, do you think we'd be ruined NXT? So that was down to the bleach report. So the question was on today's podcast, we're discussing the bleach reports, has it, do we be ruined NXT? What to do you think?

So in first place with 32.3% people have said it's the same. Really? That got the most votes. It's the same.

31 votes we got. Well, I did read to it like about an hour ago. So it's the same. That's pretty good.

So then neck and neck at 29%. Don't watch it. And yes, WWE ruined it. So 29% of people think WWE is ruined NXT.

29% don't watch it. 32.3% say it's the same. And at 9.7% the lowest say no, it's better. So the majority of people.

I watch it. I'm joking. Majority of people think it's the same. You know, a third of people don't watch it.

So the same. People think it's ruined and the less than 10%. I can't get me around people thinking it's the same when it's gone from some of that doesn't advertise to you so heavily to in mentioning Gaiko every five minutes and well, but fair enough. That's that's that's the joy of the democracy.

That's what they say. That is what they say. So Room 101 we're throwing something in. So we only get to throw one thing in one thing.

Do we give one each and then decide? So we got is it great with how it's so Chris said things to room one on one, announcing returns in advance and similar a run-ins debut being accompanied by entrance music. So you spoil it essentially when somebody does a run in. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Comes back and I agree with him. I mean, I do agree with him, but like if the glass smashed. Yeah, you're popping out your shoes.

Them shoes are going into their spurts row announcing come back. So it's a big big problem. Yeah, I went to read that. I was like, yeah, say saying that somebody's I mean, again, it's another one of those the arguments of WWE going for the ratings.

Saying the rock is going to be on next week's show. We'll boost the ratings. Whereas the rock coming out in the first segment of the law, let's say, without because this whole Roman reigns thing has to be leading to reigns versus the rest of my because that'd be too good. Of course it has got to be.

It has to be. You know, now J's within the works for years. This we've said this. We always said this fucking years ago.

Everybody said it's not just us. It's been in the works for years. This is always going to be a rains rock. That's been the rumor for like the last few main years, like it's going to be rains rock.

And that's how you get rains over because we have to have rains as the heel. That's what we always said. But this is a thing where you don't have to have rains as the heel because the rock's good as he was first. But like the whole thing for me for like the whole rock rains thing was that moment in the ring where the rock lifted, rains is hard and he got booed.

It's like the first time rockers are faces that have been booed. But the he was kind of like, you know, looking a bit puzzled because he was like, why the fucker everybody booing when I'm doing this. But like now is the perfect time. So they decided to do rains as the as the heel.

And you know, rain is arguably doing the work of his life at the moment. Brilliant. That's great. That promo that we saw on the highlights where he's like falling line and he's talking really quietly and Jay's like crying nearly.

And like, I hate you bro. I was like, I was right with it. Yeah. If you won't flop fucking ref, I probably would have enjoyed the because obviously he brings the brother in, I think, because I've not seen it.

But from the promo, it seems like the only reason why Jay said I quit it is because he brought his brother in and was maybe beating the shell of him. I don't know. Maybe go back and watch that on you. Yeah, maybe.

Yeah, the announcing announcing people's returns before they happen is next week on Raw. It's so cold. See, I'm like, oh, come on. No, I can't why they do it, but it does ruin the surprise.

We have so little surprises because of the rat sheets and people leak stuff. The companies themselves leak stuff. It's like, is it any room for surprises? I'm always surprised.

Yeah, because the edge the edge return at the rumble was ruined. They've all been ruined. I don't think we've had to generate like genuine. They don't think we've had a single surprise.

I'm trying to think of the last surprise. One don't come to my because hard is return was ruined. Of course. AJ Styles's thing wasn't, you know, we knew AJ was turning up.

Edgey's return at the rumble was ruined. We knew it was not everything. I think if there's anything that's been like shocking, apart from the painted ping pong ball from room stereo space, that's one thing I can't get done with this whole mysterious family shit. Why is that still going on?

Why is the door snogging fucking Murphy? Why is the 19 year old snocking the 32 year old? Well, that doesn't matter because it'll go either way, you know, but why would have a 32 year old woman fucking going after a 19 year old lab? Well, they wouldn't.

But I would it would happen in life, obviously, but like in, you know, it's like seeing a super romantic when it's a young girl protecting an older man. But when it was a young man protecting a 30 year old woman, people go, why is it protecting his mum? Do you know what it don't work? It don't go.

It don't fly the way, but it's super romantic when it's the young girl. The whole semantics of how old she is and all that sort of stuff is all well and good. But the first point is is why is it happening? It's just fucking you just look crap like Rey Mysterio is about to do the 619.

She gets in the way. I know. That's exactly what we've done. We've done.

We've done. Are they family that? Are they that charismatic? No, they're not.

They're not charismatic in the slightest. So it's like we're not talking about the fucking mums. Like they're charismatic. Those guys are like fucking ridiculous.

Like whenever something happened between those guys, it was ridiculous. It was insane. It was like people were throwing shit in the ring. It was like, you know, you've got to love like people who were like fantastic actors for this to happen and they're not.

No, I just don't know why they're buffering. Like it just doesn't see. It's another one of those things where it's like the reason why Rey Mysterio's daughter is snogging Murphy. I see as being the direct the direct reason why Shinsuke is taking a pin from the street profits.

That's literally like why I'm what the fuck's going on there. I mean that splashes pretty incredible really how high he jumps and Shinsuke legit. Oh, because he just didn't do anything. He just doesn't move.

He just literally landed on him. Yeah, that's my theory of it. And Rey Mysterio's daughter is getting herself some. So Shinsuke takes a pin from the street profits.

That's the direct relation. Yeah. I don't want to just. OK, so we've got we've got we've got returning announcing returns before they happen.

Over over active refs. Obviously I said that before. So that can be mine. Have you got one?

Shave men. What? Shave men. I can't stand seeing all those bald bodies.

God bless me. I don't know why you're in Taylor's. Very graphic quick though. But like Jesus, I did not expect you to say that.

These men who've got obsessions without being shoulder length hair and yet not a fucking wisp on their body. No wisp. It's going to show. Sorry, I made you just just.

Oh, I do know what there's nothing worse than a shaved thigh of a man. Like nothing like a bear thigh. It's like that's not OK. That's not OK.

That's not OK. Doesn't help. Doesn't help with the wrestling. OK, it makes it worse because it makes you slippery.

More aerodynamic. No, fuck off. Fuck off. I don't believe cyclists.

I say it and I certainly don't believe wrestlers. Let me give you two examples, right? Yes. Cameron Grimes.

Yeah. You've seen him running around about bear fucking chest and he's back. Triple H. OK, what's Cameron Grimes got hair?

Are you fucking joking? We literally like. You just look like he smells like he's nothing's always body hair. He just looks like he smells.

But Cameron Grimes is running. Do you remember the shot when he's running with the road? Right? What I'm saying is he couldn't have got away from them zombies.

If he had a shaved chest. No, no, no. Right? So he's running.

He's got all that fucking matted sweaty hair. Yeah. Or Triple H's look. Or you can see the muscles.

That's the whole reason why they're doing it. Horrible. So what you're telling me is you'd rather Cameron Grimes would hop on board than triple H. What?

You'd have to hop on board. Are you being dirty? I'll be honest with you. I'd be honest with you.

You'd prefer the truth. I'd go to bed with Grimes more than I would go to bed with Triple H. Well, for Triple H you'd need to take steroids for now. He won't always probably got him versus cock.