128 Down the mountain

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Recording live from the threshold blood lab in North Hollywood, California, in front of our birdie, studio audience. Hello, my god, I'm Kathy. You're so pappy, I'm on. And I am Count Boogie, and this is show 128 that I look through the chains to see.

It's very dramatic. The chains hanging from the hard point, and then I'm looking through it, our little board of things that we say. It is kind of dramatic. It is.

I got a chain of bitch up to that fucking shit, man. Oh, that's... That's just gotta do it. Oh, oh, oh.

Why don't you just raise your hand? Volunteer back there, I'll be chaining you up later, young lady. It's very good. Well, here we are.

With a little Latin flavor in the love lab tonight. Did you just go racist? Did you just go racist? How was my race?

Why do you need to talk about this? Because I'm Hispanic. I'm not mentioning what they are. Yeah, people are offended.

I don't get offended when people say you're a fat old woman. I'm a fat old woman. That's because you're not a special snowflake, Kathy. Well, I know.

None of the show is really not a special snowflake. This show is not for special snowflake. I'm a unique snowflake. Oh, brother.

That is special. Look, it's been a great week. We've done so many things. We had the Pet Play party on Saturday.

Oh, shit, we're not here. That was good. That was, you were not here. It was great.

They did actually did a really great job. They set up a whole room, they had a little portal that you went into the whole fenced-in literally stuff hanging from the ceilings for the kitties to bad-at and puppies to bite on. They had a whole cave quiet area that you could just go and chill out. It was really well done.

A lot of people were freaked out. People were like, what the hell is this going on? I know the looks that came in. It's like obviously didn't read the post.

They didn't read the post. They didn't come into the room. So the main room was all for pets. And then, of course, the rest of the dungeon was just regular dungeon.

But it was a lot of fun. A lot of pets showed up. A lot of people had a great time. And a lot of people who maybe didn't understand Pet Play got some education and got to see, because this is fun.

Normally, we would not have 800 fucking squeaky toys in the main room. Oh my god. Which was cute because there was one that laid a whole bunch out flat. And they kept rolling back and forth making them all squeaky.

Jumping on it like Bunny does with squishing stuff. She'll just get all the squish under her and then jump on it. Now, did an under-host that? Unger did host that?

Unger. Good evening, Boogie. Good evening, Unger. I just wanted to say before I ask you your opinion to the Pet Play party, I would like to say thank you very much to the people that set it all up because they cleaned their shit up afterwards.

Because the place was a disaster. Wow. We know you're the fucking janitor. We'll handle it.

And they did. All there was, there was one little cat toy left. It was all that was a little bell in it. And so it was a good event.

Did you have fun? Sure. So, once again, a pillar and enthusiasm. Actually, actually, I really kind of pushed this party and worked with people who wanted to do it and stuff like that.

So, yes, I was excited. It went well. I wasn't sure what to expect when I walked in the main room. I knew they were going to set stuff up, but I didn't know exactly what to expect.

I was expecting the streamers off the ceiling, for example. But yeah, and I also got kind of dudged them to clean and I know they did a great job. Good. Thank you.

I was like, why don't you do this again? It'll be clean. And they're like, oh, okay. But people helped suddenly.

But yeah, it went really well. It was kind of funny. Usually parties don't die out that quickly. Right.

But because everyone was jumping around and rolling around and doing all these things, they all just conked out really early and just got tired. Great. I had the laser pointer in there. People had yarn and stuff.

And man, you want to have fun with about five pets. You know, kittens and puppies, both they will chase that motherfucking laser. Like they cost a dollar at the dollar store. And it's just like literally endless fun.

Because they will chase it and then you put it on each other and then they attack each other. Wow, you're an evil man with a pet. That's a lot of fun. It was great because I had, you know, there's three of them and I knew all of them and they all were friends.

And I shined the laser on boobs and they were attacking the boobs. And then I'm like, I'm going to up this game and see where consent falls in. And I go to the vagina and I put the laser pointer on the girls pussy. And like the girl just smiles like, yeah.

And the other two girls are like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. You are so evil. I just wanted to see where the line was. But you know, they're all friends.

But they chit. They stopped short of the pussy. And I was like, people were like, you are horrible. I go, well, you know, consent.

That was OK. But I think the girl was down. She would have been like, if you would have pod in my pussy, it would have been cool. But it was good that they used summer strength.

Even within the mode. God damn it. What else we got? We got, uh, let's see.

Kinky in Seattle. Let me do it. Let me do our little shout out first. Just because I want to say we have some affiliate groups that post about us on their groups.

And sometimes, I mean, I just want to remind people that those groups are there on FETlife. And one of the groups that's great if you're learning about the DDLG, Daddy Dominant, little girl dynamic. One of our groups that we recommend people go to on FETlife is the Daddy Doms and their submissive little girls group. And it's a great group.

They have lots of discussions all about being little, how to navigate the relationship, stuff like that. So just wanted to go ahead and jump that shadow. We're going to start doing some more of those. Yeah.

What was anybody? He's writing it down. I'll tell you after the show. OK.

So what's going on in Seattle? You said that for some reason we have. Oh, that's right. That's your thing.

You watch the analytics on that panel. It's been a lot of pain. But it's been a lot of fun this week. And we're shooting the cotton candy video tomorrow.

So I'm still about that. I saw that. I saw that show and then it kind of goes out to all the iTunes and Podbeens and Stitchers and whatever. Now has, it tells you what states, it's always said what states, people are listening, what countries, people are listening.

But now it actually broke the US up into cities. So it now tells you what your biggest city is in the United States and the biggest city that we are in, which surprised me, was Seattle. So apparently we got, I mean, there was a lot of people listening. And the second was like, not even half of that.

It's somewhere in South Carolina that there's a lot of people listening. So I was just like, hi, Seattle. Hello, Seattle. I fantasize about moving up to Seattle.

I'm like, that would be great if we were popular up there. That would be great. People actually like this. Don't just sit like one month.

I've been seeing the, you know, if it goes, I mean, who knows, maybe somebody in Seattle wrote a blog to their group or something like that. And it was a big group. And they said, hey, I listened to this. And maybe a lot of people came in to check us out or whatever.

But I don't know. I was really surprised. Wow. That's people.

Seattle is a big alternative community anyway. Yeah, they have a really good scene out there. And what's great about Seattle? I've been there in quite a few years.

But it's kind of like a much less polluted version of Los Angeles. Like it's like got all the big city and all the stuff that they do and buildings and stuff like that. But it's just cleaner. It smells nicer.

It's also colder. There's less urine. There's a little less urine. People urinate that.

I guess so. Maybe it's just the thing that a log gets it. But I got here just everywhere. I know where you're going with it.

A log is urinating. Well, I'm telling you, I don't know if it's still like that. But when I was there, it was creepy. It was like the big city with all the mecca stuff and like literally nothing was like it was really clean.

But it was pretty fun. Well, hello Seattle and all the other cities that Perverted Podcast listens to. And what were. Oh, yes.

Tell us about this daddy drunk dial. Okay, I'll go quick on this because it was hilarious. So, Mew and Bunny went to an event together and it was great. You know, they have, I love it.

I love it when my girls have together time. I love hearing about it. I love it when they go and they tell me all their stories of the fun they have holding hands and just being a couple because it makes me feel. I just, I don't know why.

Even though I'm not there. I just, I like it. It's your family. Yeah, because it means that they are, it's not just, oh, we're here because of daddy and they're just tolerating each other, you know, which is a rumor about a lot of poly relationships.

But no, it's wonderful. My two girlfriends are girlfriends with each other and they do stuff. So that's very exciting. And at this event, they got to ride home because apparently at this event, there was a little drinking, you know, I don't drink.

So if they're going to, you know, tie one on, it's usually, except for Bunny's Drunk and Pirate Orbis party on the 27th. That's planned. Yeah, that's planned once a year. You know, I'll let them have some drinks, but usually if they're going to drink, they don't do it around me because I'm sober.

So, but I get the drunk dial on the way down the mountain, but it doesn't, I don't get the drunk dial right away. I get, Mew sends me a text. Bunny is puking out the window because she gets car sick. Oh, sorry.

So it's not even the, but she also happened to mix fucking like three glasses of wine, two beers and four shots of tequila. Yeah. And I think we're both in the same car. Yes.

And so, but he is vomiting. Then Mew thinks I'm going to get on the phone and check that. It gets better. So I get the information that my two lovely little girls and Mew is like, I know I should feel bad, but it's like really funny.

Mew. This is the first time Bunny just heard this and I'm like, you're a dick. She's, I'm helping her. It's just funny.

There's chucks. Oh my God. She's talking about the chunks are flying out and the cars are swerving behind them to try to avoid the projectile bunny lunch. Mew.

It's amazing. I knew she was cold hearted, but this is and you know, cause she loves to see cry. She loves her, but she is a sadistic dick. And that's one of the things that I love about Mew.

Oh man. She's just texting and giving me the blow by blow and it wasn't drunk sick. It was car sick. So after she expelled, she, she felt okay.

And then the drunk dial came where they were really proud of their accomplishments. And then, and you can tell because I've been around a while, I know it's drunk down there. They're like, we're not drunk. And they're like giggling and they're like, like all these innu-endos and stuff.

It was an amazingly entertaining call to hear about the entire puke fest all the way down this mountain and that how great they feel now and that it doesn't affect them and I can drink it doesn't even affect me. I love how you waited until now to let bunny here. To let bunny in the back, bunny's like in the back of my mind. I knew I knew she's enjoying this.

Oh my God. Never a till moment. Zero day on bed. Life with anOndich cankin' freaky, sex, set is free.

The type of things you see on bed. Why you believe you happy? Hi, enlightened. Or possibly her blacks.

While your piece of mind, please note at the other. I can't do it. Anor, why you doing? Anger's dancing.

Anger is skipping through a meadow. Well, he was big bunny in that video. That clip comes from the actual Fetlife song we did a video here. And Unger was.

Is Big Bunny. That was not happy. That was freaky skipping through a meadow. Unger.

Which would imply happiness. That would be the opposite. why you gotta steal his his thunder well that made me happy now did i say that you can do that no he came up and scared the hell out of me all the way i heard it coming i should know i don't know why i was shocked that you were scared still i thought somebody was just running towards something like a love lab or some of what's that i know it's not really like the inches behind me and now what do you expect from over what is that that was this regarding i don't even know so fed life but other of the repose we talk about it specifically granted this permission to do so and this time we have a post from slitty which is that is the greatest dirty name it is it it's like slitty but it's slitty implying the slit thank you this moment this moment is been brought to you by camp with the and his retarded brain i'm sure you all figured that out but you know i did need to explain that to you she wrote a lot of pain that's been your excuse for everything every time some of us like we have a lot of pain so it's like just punchy so she was called speaks awfully in times of fear so little backstory is that she went to it was a group or a class and the woman there is um... she's speaking about how she approaches her dominant when she needs to communicate something that needs to be said but it has a potential of hurting him you know we all have the time to come in a partner and we're having same things that are hard to hear but they have to be said so someone in the room asks how do you address these things without causing discord and still maintain your place so this is what's the says the woman spoke of approaching him with an open softness specifically she asked if she could quote speak softly unquote it was her code to him that she was wanting to address something that would normally cause him to become defensive there are times when i need to be approached with this format i have the human condition of often holding ground to firmly i think if we are all honest with ourselves most of us do bravo robo dotting bravo bravo bravo excellent i'll let you guys go first i think this is a great post this is this is this is advanced keep your relationship going one oh five uh...

i would like that i think that this is really in and this is not just for kink relationships or ds or an ms dynamic or polydynamic this this understanding how to talk to your partner and when is how you approach that conversation is absolutely so i'll let you guys go into a lot of times of notes but i really i really do like this this topic uh... well what i could say is yes definitely communication of course bring everything up the one thing i always tell everyone it's not always what you say it's the tone you say it you could say something hurtful but as long as you approach as hey there's something that's bothering me this might sing a little bit or something so they can at least kind of prepare but then bring it out and not as an attack but just as this is a concern of mine this is doing this to me what can we do to resolve it uh... my michelle and i had a lot of disagreements at the beginning because we're both dominance of the lot of head buddy but we've lasted long because we've been able to communicate it and said this is what this made me feel this actually feel like this that we brought it as a non-attack when we did it led to bigger arguments and fights now we've gotten it where we can bring something up or will wait a little bit if it's following us i'll give it a day or two especially me i go for the throat so i can wait a day or two to calm down so i can say in a calm manner so that we can discuss it and not be attacked and work things out and it's it's worked out because we've been together three and a half years and that's how we we do it yeah you have to be right you have to do it in any relationship i think specially in bdsm or king or polyamor you have to because why those are tricky waters and when i read her post i thought absolutely one hundred percent agree with her because that is the way that not only i've always approached difficult topics but i wish people would approach them that way with me because as you've often said that we would we have all these voices in our hands and it's fine to have them as long as they're not in the driver seat so when somebody comes to me and says i got to discuss on the for you that it's not fun for me to say or you might get sensitive they're doing it from this favor because i can then get into a focus headspace where i i decide that i'm going to be in charge and i know that i'm about to hear something that will hurt my feelings and i will allow myself to do that and then i can get down to the business of dealing with what's actually being said because honestly it's not it's not always fun it's not always easy to hear and so i am a huge proponent of prefficing these conversations in some way that puts everybody on guard and makes everybody really focus on as abiramos is what's being said not how it's being said i'm i'm totally in it i think uh... most people i know very few that are i don't know i don't know any of them whenever somebody confronts you with a feeling that they have about you and you get blindsided with that defensiveness is is just part of many of our nature it's to i'm i'm i don't because initially conversation is usually has to do with you either hurt me some there was some sort of pain which makes me instantly look like i did something wrong and we just it's just a defensiveness if you have just a little bit of time to prepare for that you can now cycle through the evolved part of your brain the defense of party brain is someone poaks you you put back that's nature the evolved part of our brain needs some time to go down the list and say oh no i don't have to do that anymore that's not effective i get to look at the bigger picture of the relationship if i hurt this person and by attacking them or not listening or validating their feelings it's gonna create more problems but that's a list that isn't natural to me so if i'm given a little bit of prep time just a little bit to say hey this is gonna be messy we use that in our relationship endlessly uh...

this is gonna be messy i have a feeling we call him table meetings you know and and i said this on the show the table meeting for us is there's no dynamic at that table we sit at the table there's something we need to discuss and we're just gonna talk adult adult and it's not gonna be anyone's daddy anymore you're not gonna be my little girl we're just going level to level and when that meeting is called there's a chance to prepare you know now the thing about my brain says i fuck this table meeting up and i get defensive and become an asshole then i am taking away the evidence that it works so it's like a little challenge of me to be on my best behavior to be a better listener to then hear what the feelings are before i just instantly get defensive and it doesn't mean that at a table meeting or when you have that discussion that people are gonna get defensive or get upset it just means you've now had some time for each of you to be equals and i know in the beginning of the post it kind of sounded like oh can i speak softly to you and that obviously still implies that there's a dynamic that she didn't want to hurt the feelings of of the dominant or whatever and that you know that people can kind of take that approach if they want to stay in their dynamic you know during those discussions that's absolutely fine if that works in your dynamic for me i like to take all the dynamics off the table and just here uh... i do the same thing as you take the dynamics out to but i know a lot of people can't do that and that's and that's completely fine to speak softly that that absolutely works in in your scenario as long as the other person is prepared to hear your honest feelings uh... mu and i made it three years longest relationship in my life in part to us being able to have those discussions i'm not saying i've been perfect or she's been perfect to every one of those discussions that is really helped us to build the evidence and and bunny and i who are now coming up on a year uh... that's been really critical because there was a lot of distrust you know a lot of people have things in the previous relationships where maybe there wasn't as good a communication so it's my job to prove to them i have to give them the evidence that if they come up to me and i failed a couple times but most of the times when they come up and they say i have a feeling and i need to talk about it that that is my to be a better person even if it's going to hurt is obviously is there is a something that's gonna that's that that's that that is a character de facto mine yeah so i had people said to me i will literally go all man this is going to hold on to me second let me have to focus and also just like you said before the fact that they are giving you that warning the fact that they are telling you that is a sign of care when someone comes at you and says blah blah blah blah blah they're coming defensive they're coming offensively and so you have time to prepare but when somebody actually says hey i need to talk to you about something it might be messy but i need you to hear my my feeling uh...

that automatically knows that they're thinking about your feelings as well yeah i mean i had a friend who uh... unfortunately didn't do this very well had a partner and things were going well with a specific sexual act that they were doing and she just kind of learned it out when you're not very good at it and he got totally but hurt in entire year went by before they actually discussed it so there was and this was honestly the the the woman didn't know it didn't really understand proper communication because it was a she was very young at the time right and he was incredibly uh... easily but hurt sure and so i don't know that there was a a good way of doing it but i think it's important to bring up because what you said just reminded me that you you can do it in the best way but unless you're ready to hear honesty unless you know are mature enough in a relationship you have to cover topics that you don't want to cover because they're fucking hard to hear no amount of great the skills or tactics are going to help you have to be in a place where you are willing to wait through all that uncomfortable shit and that's and that's the approachable yet to put out your approachable and not that will have some say that i can't say it because it's just gonna get defensive and works gonna fight and there's not gonna be it's gonna be worse when you talk about you when you first said about your own when you first said sometimes you have to be mature enough to say i need a couple days to collect my thoughts and i've done that with my girls on uh... on some occasions when i just not even angry just i don't i want to have a little bit of grasp of what i'm thinking right so we can have and ultimately we've all kind of touched on it if you're not ready especially cathy if you're not ready to hear honesty you're gonna have a shitty relationship anyway so none of this is gonna fucking help you and even in a discussion if i get you tell me something okay and i'll statewide for a few seconds to think not just react of what she said that okay let me think how do i really feel about what she said or what they said and then go from there so if you have to even then take that take the act of the city literally say give me just a few seconds to process yes but also it's really important a lot of these things i don't know there's a lot of number one things okay i don't know what the fucking order is but i know a biggie is the amount of time that you wait before you let your partner know that you have a feeling whether to resentment or something like that because our brain spins work our brains all puzzles all day long that's what it does a trillion fucking puzzles a day our brain has to solve so when there's something that there's a feeling or thought or miscommunication or something like that your brain is in puzzle mode and you no longer need that person to fulfill the information that your brain's gonna fill in the gaps with and that's called spinning so you know there's something wrong and obviously it's because they want to kill me and they've already hired someone to do it and they're fucking all my friends and it's that your brain if you have a destructive brain like mine is then that's that's just poison and a lot of people have that so it's really important to quickly resolve this issue even if it's hey i have a feeling and we need to talk about this in the next few days when we get some time to do that the sooner that you let somebody know we need to have a conversation that's that in a lot of ways stops the spinning to be erratic because the person is shown they care about letting you know that there needs to be a conversation and now you have time to prepare for that but the sooner you get into that conversation the sooner it stops the spinning because now you have the other person the other person is now involved in that conversation so you're actually hearing their opinions as opposed to you putting words into their mouth which is just a relationship killer absolutely good post absolutely good post i like it i'm like i wrote notes i'm like don't forget this each conversation builds evidence that defeats fears of rejection okay said that good good good good good good good good point out okay oh oh okay i'm just i tell you man this is save my life this this very aspect of communication to see my life every time you have a good conversation because it's really easy sometimes to forget when things work because you're emotional about something else we make it or a point i make it a point that when like money and i have a great conversation or a table meeting we point out afterwards this was a good conversation put it into your mind that your relationship is not all bad you do have the ability to say this and if you say it a few times it goes into a place in your brain where you remember okay if we talk about this we we have success in this relationship so it's not all bad and you feel lighter i don't know about any you guys but when my michelle and i have a discussion and we work something out you feel a little less tense i actually feel a little lighter and i feel our relationship is actually a little bit stronger too absolutely physically feel it versus when i'm even when i'm waiting in process and i can still feel tense about there's this little bubbling going and when you talk about it you release it and i actually do feel better well that's your i mean that's you going back to your parasympathetic nervous system your sympathetic nervous system is the one that is that fight or flight so as long as you have that mental tension going on you have that tension you are ready to fight even if you don't even realize it so when you release that and you realize okay it's safe that's what that is that fear it's not safe i'm not safe in my relationship so your body completely reacts to it so when all of a sudden you have some resolution of that relationship all of a sudden you're you literally release that entire system and you can now feel actually good and i don't want to fuck with people who like angry sex i'm not trying to fuck with you i'm just saying you know if you can handle a little bit of tension between each other like at the and i would have great angry sex i would fuck the hell out of you so hard no i would fuck you so hard i would fuck the paint off your fucking toenails i would watch the hell out of that this is good now this is good and cathy and i actually had um...

a sort of a table meeting during the show because she said something that i misinterpreted totally but hurt me i edited out the whole point the whole section because uh... i didn't have time to resolve it with her and then we had a great talk after and we would have left the mic on for the conversation we had at the end i would have left the awkward weird moment in before but what was good about it was at the end i said this hurt my feelings and then we launched into a great conversation where we could hear each other about you know whatever our tensions are and in the past we would have done in the past there would have been way too much time between and then we each would have been off and started spinning on our own uh... you know it's a relationships are tough these are rules that don't just apply to poly or being in a sexual relationship these are rules for any area of life and as much as you and i have learned about life we still you and i have a very volatile relationship and we we hit each other's buttons and on the other side of the coin we have tremendous areas where we agree on and we are amazing support for one another but for some reason we just have that extreme in our relationship and i think that it's taken how many years for us to get to the point where uh... even though it you were hurt uh...

it took a lot for you to put that aside and say i'm not going to get the review without a stocking and we you know what had quite for the conversation with the rest of the audience just agreed on to the court of the talk to some of the wrong and the love of the whole thing like that i think they're going to do it but yeah it applies everywhere and i think that uh... what happened with with us was uh... what made it go well was exactly what we've been talking about is that you take a moment even if you slip off the tracks you didn't do it right from the beginning you can't do it right when the show we can't stop it but uh... and you force yourself as hard as a fucking is and believe me i know that must be hard for me to push those hurt feelings aside and put yourself in the driver seat and say like i've got to deal with it because i mean to diminish her feelings as if usually acknowledge them there perfectly is perfectly reasonable for you to have a few you know you all have uh...

crazy feelings that that a lot of times are in control that's the nature of being human so there's nothing wrong with it but yeah this was let's go tell you i know we went along on this one and i don't know what that will talk really fast for the rest of the little and the and so before i said that it's a people that you listen to this i am down to no emails nothing to discuss next week so please uh... he's a really nice one from the yes there are two i can i have to space those out i'll get some really nice ones and i know that if i read two or three i'll go here you're here with the alright since the second drama and shit was about the drama in your life i'd am not why not why i'd like it i'd be a lot of the list of this let's talk to the perverted podcast listeners i know that you and you can put anonymous you can put different names if you have an interesting situation in your life where you learn something about yourself or you know it was just a situation that was crazy or whatever why not share that with us i mean obviously i understand that people will kind of put two and two together if they're around you so i understand that i really we just we need it and you can hear me say people's names but you absolutely have the other thing right please keep this on the show my name all you know you can change stuff i i know there are people out there who don't like some of the shit that we say i know there are people out there who'd like to say your show is too long your show is too short here's not enough of this there's too much of that that is that happy trying to make my life easier happy's now looking for some hate to do alrighty yeah yeah fucking oh no i'm going to just go yeah so yeah don't be afraid to to send you because i mean jesus fuck you've heard our stories some of them are just not that great except the puking out the window all the way down the drunk mountain that was pretty amazing now i can say that wasn't amazing bunny i love you wait did you get pictures of her puking out of window man that would have been cool yeah you're going out with a video like y'all just a video of her like because she's so pretty and she just she was wearing nice clothes and just i just know i can just picture my little angel girl just like oh i feel the girl fucking deer running out of the way oh jesus fucking human right you're so mean muskrat's like what is it what is it what is it oh it's like this is part of the humiliation play you're doing whether i know that three million drunk ants for the next two days no puking on an hill alright can we go on please answer it's a party it's a rainbow party ow stop it all right chris rotas and says my understanding has always been that the magic wand is the gold standard when it comes to vibrators it's powerful never ones out of juice and has a handle long enough to comfortably reach what it needs to but from the way kathy and mark were vying for the affections of the original serie too that lee los sent you it sounds like it may give the wand or run for its money i'm seriously considering getting one for my wife but i'd like to hear how it compares before laying out all that kind of cash and let me tell you you'll be laying out that cash because that is an expensive vibrator i mean you know if you want to put hours versus dollars you want to go to fucking disney land you're paying 25 fucking bucks an hour something like that right i guess i guess i was like three it's like 30 million dollars victory knows 199 for one one god and if you get drunk and start puking a disney land you go home the refund oh my god you give us a lot of love i'm thinking i'm just i'm just riffing but no i mean if you look at a good toy like say the lee los serie too which motherfuckers need to send us another motherfucker toy because we talk about them a lot you hear that lee los if you're if you're gonna get a really quality toy and it costs 200 bucks hey you're gonna have it for a few years it's gonna give you a lot of fun and a lot of pleasure save your pennies and gets i mean you can go online i mean if we're talking about the hitachis and the photochis like on photochis because they're not the real hitachis um you can get those for 20 bucks you can get a photochief for on ebay for like 22 bucks and it works pretty good it's not as strong as the the real hitachis but it's still strong enough for most people and not everybody likes super sensation not everyone likes a jackhammer on their vagina and is the magic wand is hitachi yeah that's the that's the uh pub your own which is Michelle help well allow me to list the many vibrators you know i'm an hour show Kathy i bought a faux tochi a while back was i think it was adam and eve something and i tested both out they were both the same price hitachi has two speeds you know medium and holy fucking shit and the other one had three speeds and then different pulse yeah yeah yeah yeah i thought all right because i like variation so i got that she didn't like those because they distracted you that's what yeah that was whatever that one has finally kind of worn out because it buzzes very loudly because i guess she's used it a lot out of the motor yeah you got put in and it's like not as quiet so i actually recently last Tuesday got to hitachi magic wand right we haven't fully got to use it we i kind of just kept poking with her a lot and do it on the head it's really fun um so i don't quite know how she likes the difference but as far as the vibration the high they felt almost pretty much the same pretty much the shape is the same and the attachments fit on both now i guess it's just the difference he's asking for the difference between the the siri two and okay let's let's take into some shit coming from someone who has an array of old i yes i have we have 80 fucking vibrators here um so the photachis they have a different head like the the real hitachis are uh rounded uh more solid material in the head the photachis um it's kind of like a mush marshmallow anymore it looks like a little marshmallow that sits on the top and it's a little bit softer and more porous um which is obviously a different amount of intensity for both of those mu does not like the real hitachi it's it's just the feeling that's not comfortable she likes she has a special photachi i've literally we've electrocuted ourselves and rewired it about 90 times you electrocuted by China did you no okay oh mu and i had a great i knew and i that was awesome i had to fix her mu likes the real hitachi and uh what bunny did i say mu oh okay so pardon me get your women's traits i am sorry bunny likes the real the real hitachi um which is interesting because bunny literally just transferred over from always using her fingers and not using vibrators and she jumped all the way to really enjoying the higher sensation of the hitachi it's a totally different vibration and a totally different vibrator than the serie two the serie two fits in your hand it is smaller it's wireless it has a few speeds the serie two is voice activated that gets old in an hour um it's funny i've used it at the i found the speed i like i put it on that i'm yeah and it's a very strong kind of a more tighter vibration uh it is when you brought it up to the mic you literally had to press it up against for you to hear it yeah but the the lack of a loud noise and a lack of a lot of shaking around your hand i i never use a word subtle when describing it yeah even though the it's more of a hum than a vibration but it that is the strongest hum i have ever felt because you could just feel it and i think the last time i we were talking about it i described it as it just it feels like it's emanating from within it does not feel like it's coming from that thing because you just press it against whatever part you want and you can feel it throughout your entire vulva so you're someone who needs very specific um vibration right on your clit maybe the lilo is not that great for you right but you i mean the lilo shake like an egg with a not a pointy egg but a sharper you know it's kind of oval yeah so you can point it in that way but the thing is they already have a magic one car but i was writing and they like it but what you don't do what you can do with the lilo uh is fantastic is you can put it in a couple condoms turn it on high and put it inside someone and then use it it's not she on the clit yeah and your brain will explode they can use me mu and that's why i would say go ahead and do it because there's two of them and they can experiment can you imagine say again a few condoms putting it inside someone's vagina and then somebody going down on your vagina i mean can't have you done it can you feel through your tongue the vibration of inside once it's uh farther inside you're not gonna feel it is strong you'll feel a little bit but what's also great about that is if you do anal you put the lilo inside the vagina you then put your penai inside of the batai and then you put a hitachi on the clit and now there's a second coming of Jesus Jesus comes down and says bitch bitch this is good life i grant you good life and then Jesus tries to fucking muzzle in that chick because he's a fucking punk and i'm all dude get your own and he's like i made you and then it's like gets in this whole like blasphemous argument and whatever and if you do it while they're keeping their absolutely bunny we're gonna drive you back up the mountain we're gonna put a lilo inside of you i'm gonna sodomize you we're gonna plug and we're gonna plug all these things into the car battery and then you're gonna have your tachi and you're gonna throw up out the window and kind of like just cover it she's all i'm done did Michelle puke and that's why you guys know the story i've heard rumors i have not tried but i've heard rumors when you puke your sphincter just won't get the effect you're convulsing everyone's thinking everyone's now just thinking at that moment i watched everyone's heads tilted aside and they're remembering every time they puked in life did my sphincter i don't i don't believe i think it's time to go do some scientific drinking that's what i'm putting on a cat and uh oh dude oh no epic hack no much epic hack you know let's take a little bit oh okay trigger i was a believer for like 15 years epic hack is where i started my you know i started rocking a little bit like oh yes i was living in a van and uh yeah i don't want to hear anymore yeah i don't know where you're puke it's everywhere i believe you know we should check it i hope we answer your question it's a tough one because you're gonna show them money without knowing if it actually works but i'm sure you know what find out what store is selling and they got it got to have a test model you can't at least feel it in your hand to see it was a kind of vibration yeah it's okay hunger yes we'll get hunger yes we'll get what's going on in the chat room it's it's been a weird night for the chat actually are they talking about shoes and dune bunkies we're actually talking about anime ah it's part for the course for them um after talking about math wow you guys are really star wars math star wars and arguing over the name of the first star wars movie oh wasn't it return to the but her or something new hope well that was the first thing let's say thank you they're all saying no it was just star wars well the movie poster just say just our words but the rolling titles said a new hope chapter four new hope it was confusing anyway um we're making money five longer and we're making money five on jokes and uh talking about an event that i might go to this weekend yeah i might be traveling for kink again traveling for kink i travel for kink that'll be your autobiography i'm doing you should write it it's a good bumper sticker so i might travel into an education event in nice what are they going to be teaching on here there's a ten different classes throughout the day i think mostly one-on-one type stuff but uh listen to teachers nice there's a fire cupping class which i haven't seen much of so if anybody listening is going to be there step on by say hello to the last will be there of course super nice gonna be there we have a lot of the folks we actually have a lot of listeners that are up in that area we're out here there race on shine for example i don't know why i don't know why i'm in a few quite a few other regular listeners that are up there so oh wait we were supposed to say that um the person we thought was the person in the chat room was it the person in the wasn't it was different yes i don't know what the person is she emailed it and i know who that is now it was like we all talked about it like you know she said this great email and you know just like say it's like koala and then yeah and we totally just like said oh you're this person and like took away she's like that actually wasn't me i i differ in poor sleepy koala so god damn it we love you thank you so we really fuck up our listen well every i think we underestimate that we have more than five i we i think there's a sleepy person in the chat room so we know from the uk which is also how many sleepy people in the uk listen and going to the chat apparently more than one we are we put we help people sleep in the fucking United States we need another button we need we help you sleep in the help you sleep in the uk sleeping in the uk it's like an anti-climatic bunk album just the sex pistol sleeping in the uk and then a fucking needle hanging out of sebiscious arm what in my bad way yes we move on or yeah no we're gonna skip that one but uh let's do this sometimes love is less than nice you may need some fucking advice right now see what i did right there there was a little but her part of me is like what the fucking notes that you're coming in a minute you said hey if it gets to which one do you want to cut and i said we'll do poly sanity next week i'm in the driver's seat where are we some fucking advice okay so Alex wrote to us and said i just turned 21 and my relationship with my boyfriend just started to get sexual barber what must you really be a little sensitive i'm congratulating yeah right this is weird i think it he says it thanks for the backup now i look like the pig is a celebrate you start fucking that's a celebration hi five and i didn't lose my virginity i got fucking rid of it good kali all right can i go on yes she says i was a virgin i knew that it would hurt the first time but it's still kind of hurt even after the second is this something that's normal or should i go see a doctor yes go see a doctor please no before anything happens go see a doctor you can't just listen to our advice okay well i'm just okay yes absolutely if you need to go to doctor good doctor um but if if look see this this is pages can i just say that i totally appreciate that you have all those and she probably will get a lot out of this but she should go to a doctor just to make sure i will say this she's a virgin and she just had sex for the first time this isn't somebody who has had a normal sexual relations for an ongoing time and it still hurts yeah this is somebody who has had sex two times no no not two times she wrote it and says to them but she's you're continuing to okay and it's continuing to hurt okay if it's good yes if it's continuing to hurt i misread that because it sometimes takes the vagina a while to acclimate to having sex so you may have uncomfortable sex for the first four six times i've had women say that it hurt for the first month you know if the guy's large or you know whatever you know so you know give yourself a normal amount of time but after that absolutely see a doctor there may be a bunch of other things i've had a lot of experience that with this with partners and recently the most recent would be bunny and i had this this issue in the beginning of our relationship so i was when i saw this um i was very keen on on talking about this because it is a it is not an uncommon problem painful sex is not an uncommon problem i'm going to totally butcher the names of these but um i have a couple uh let's see okay there's two basic types of painful intercourse um and if i fuck this all up please just go to the websites um the Mayo Clinic has great in Mayo Clinic dot org talks about i can't even pronounce it did i've disparate new yeah despair and uni where is it where is it where is it word point to it that this the one that's oh my lord yes despair despair unia yeah dr doe is talked about it on her channel and she taught and i tried to contact her a while ago and asked her about it but i didn't get back around that uh the that is the organic that's where there is an actual problem there's a physical problem there's some sort of physical thing that that happens and there's a number of things there could be medical conditions urinary tract infections yeast infections stds and detremiosis um pelvic you know cysts and things like that there could be something obviously medically going on um if you've had a child not in this case but if you've had a childbirth um you know uh the vagina going back uh it's a normal it can take a long time if you have a disease section miscarriage and stuff like that age related um there can just be um you know insufficient foreplay that you haven't actually warmed up the vagina to release lubricant if there's not enough lubricant you're gonna create friction and that friction is gonna cause irritation all throughout the vagina um pelvic trauma if you've had a surgery uh difficult pelvic examinations uh obviously we get into the ugly stuff if you've had abuse um physical attack rape sexual abuse where things were put inside you medications some have side effects a lot of um depression medications have sexual side effects absolutely um and and those are things that you have to really work out with the doctor but then there's the emotional most of the time it's an emotional uh cause of the pain that uh women have and that is uh vaginismus uh that's the one on the bottom vaginismus yeah vaginismus vaginismus and that's vaginismus.com i'm gonna put these up in the link don't let me forget to put these uh in the thing that there's a number of great there was another uh the global library of women's medicine uh had a lot of good things you forgot one huh you forgot one what the back of a Volkswagen the back of a Volkswagen makes it very uncomfortable yes popular all that's nobody's not really that's good now we i think i know a little difference nobody too much about but but you don't know i'll give them a half a point it took me out of my zone but i get my half a point this is this is um like i said this is the most common cause of it because what happens is there's a fear there's some insecurity there's something that happens and then it creates this cycle where you then and this is what bunny hat this is definitely what bunny hat did you want to say something about your experience to come up here i want to talk about say the cycle of pain i want to hear your opinions on the process we went through for the first couple months of our relationship because uh it has here the cycle of pain which is also on uh those websites um number one you anticipate the pain the body anticipates pain fear anxiety may contribute when you anticipate pain just like we talked about before you have the sympathetic nervous system that kind of clamps down muscles tighten you are preparing for a fight because you're now anticipating uh the pain the second part is you have an involuntary reaction like i said tightening of the vaginal muscles which leads to three which is painful sex because you're not relaxed your body and a lot of these things you don't know what the problem is all you know is you're having pain and you're now getting into this cycle of pain stage four is pain reinforces um now it's intensifying because you're expecting it so you're tightening more and you're having more five you're now bracing for it your body reacts by bracing and it continues and then six eventually this is when it starts to go bad you start avoiding sex because now you are completely prepared to have painful sex and your body will not let go of it and this is where you really need to talk with your partners and you really need to try to create an environment with your partners that says no matter what we're going to just try to be together and achieve some level of intimacy if it doesn't work with intercourse then that's okay and you have to continually reinforce that with an environment that we will take our time together this is about us achieving intimacy we can do other things i can put my mouth on your clit or you can jerk me off or whatever but you create that environment that helps the partners relax and that seems to be very very successful it may take a little bit of time because you have to subconsciously have your brain tell your body it's okay this is okay and sometimes that takes a long time sometimes it really only time had partners that were like had painful sex and it was really scary and you just created that environment and maybe in a couple of times they started to relax and all of a sudden okay it pains over what was um right i think creating the environment where it's okay like whatever happens was really important especially for me because um if you're having like problems and it hurts and then so you feel like you have to stop and then all of a sudden you feel super responsible because you feel like you're kind of like inhibiting um like intimacy with your partner so that can really get into your head and make the problem even worse so i think that was really helpful um and getting over it for me and then the cycle of pain thing is true because if you have had painful sex then thinking about it because every time you go into it if it's not if you're still in it you definitely think about oh my gosh this is it's gonna hurt it's gonna hurt and the involuntary like reactions and everything like that so there's that physical side of it and also personally just being an anxious person having my mind all over the place sometimes it wasn't even physical sometimes it was just my head was all over the place i wasn't in the moment i wasn't focusing on what was going on or my arousal or anything like that so at another time we're taking the time to be present and say like it's okay we're gonna do some stuff let's see what happens and not having pressure on anything was really helpful and you've done that uh there's been a few times where you've actually come and i'm like all right let me rip your pants off you know because you gotta have a hello fuck Kathy when they walk in the door it's like hey i haven't seen you a couple days time for hello fuck let's not talk hello fuck rip off the gloves creative explore cause of the entry protocol position perfect and and that is something because obviously bunny doesn't want to disappoint me or like she talked about but we worked out that i would rather be disappointed than even than us perpetuate more pain and suffering so there's been a few times where she's come in and she said i know that normally we have sex i'm really not in a place for sex can i go finger paint or can i just do something and then of course i do get butter but i of course i get but heard but i once again she is now informed me i have a responsibility i think i head and i go i know that if i moan and cry then it's not gonna solve anything anyway it's just gonna be ruined i know that if i give her some love and attention and give her some space that it's always gonna work and there's been times where literally we just didn't have sex that day and that's okay too because i love this person and i want them to be happy so it's always worked out a few times that we have done that and then what happens is you get to where the pain isn't there and there's still times where we have to kind of proceed a little cautiously and there may be some anxiousness or whatever sure but now that's mostly heady and it's not so much pain it's just kind of a headspace thing so yeah because mostly now i i don't unless it's like a marathon of everything and then you get sorry but other than that it's been good it goes away i do and i just i just want to let you know you are a fantastic lover and and i really you are absolutely worth every ounce of effort that we've put into what we do she's so cute i wanted to let her know she's a good lay and uh oh brother there we go there's a good lay and i i'm thinking uh it was pretty uh today was a little hello she uh kind of had a mission today she did she came in she's sitting on the bed and i'm trying to you know i give a little space you know maybe she's a little you know in her head and she's like uh you know like to happen or watch she's all you know um that penis it's uh over there and uh let's uh make these happen and i did my best you're a trooper i am a ch i got nothing so yeah another i looked at vagin this real quick because i vagin this one i i had read stories about the vagina literally clamping shut where you cannot insert anything whatsoever and it's all mental and i couldn't remember the name i looked it up and it's it's that it's vagin this it is now this head will will the stress will cause it to clap it's almost like a defense mechanism now then i i almost didn't want to say this because we had some fucking dick fuck politician make some claim about women he was trying to talk about this situation you're talking about he was saying well women can't get raped because they actually have a physical defense to stop them from getting raped and obviously if this very rare phenomenon of completely clamping shut doesn't happen obviously it was consensual and they really wanted it kind of thing which is as we know bullshits so but the hookers it's fucking right the pitch works but yeah there is there is on occasion there it will really i've read many stories on and then there's also vaginitis which is one falls under the physical right problems which you where your vaginal canal will actually just get swollen or inflamed so either way it's it's difficult i mean we've just thrown a lot at um... alex and well then and i think that they're both young and her partner is obviously a really great guy because she says he's all been checking in with her patient and even when they're done when he's done he makes sure that she has her orgasm i'll bravo good for you you're on the right track but if you if you continue to do this and you still can't figure it out it really is it's time for you to go to a doctor to see if it does fall under the physical category absolutely and i'm my guess is that it's just new and nervousness and stuff like that but that's my guess i'm not a doctor i am a therapist dr. puppy ramon suggests three shots of tequila oh no losing your right out that actually does tend to loosen your your vagina and your sphincter right up oh great that's great that's not probably what we should recommend for it yes by all means get drunk that's great let's end the show with that no drunk everybody guys girls drinks that helps loosen them up something like a fucking kidding you're a mama's shell or well into what no fucking kidding me no that's a shitty idea learn how to fuck without alcohol you get three shots not like 12 he limited it he said three boogie come on fucking rape culture christ i swear to fuck his god that's not rape culture no wait it's okay what don't end the show we're gonna end on this huh why do i write this board every time i go through this i can't read oh i have papers oh oh there's this yes there is if you had a chance what would you make a say well no here's your chance where does anything what kind of circus carnival chinkle we're really gonna end the show on this i love how i mentally block this out you did great your idea i think no who's yours oh was it shit all right so perverted podcast listeners uh Kathy and i uh after our our but her discussion last show we had such a good uh rekindling we decided to have a meeting midweek and ill-fated meeting and and talk to you about uh you know and come up with stuff for the show and look over all the notes and see what things we hadn't tried and for some reason we got to hair up our ass that they would be entertaining if we offered our perverted podcast listeners the chance to make us say anything that they can think of you know my couple restrictions racial political and job I think but uh pretty much anything 75 words or less for each of us now then here's how it works if you go to our fettlife profile and you put in the headline uh we'll say anything we'll say anything then Kathy and i know not to open that mu is the only one that was able to open it so she printed out we have not seen she looked very happy so a lot of people had a lot of energy there was a lot of interest i believe that uncle creepy was the first probably uh so here's how it works uh you guys wrote some stuff that we have to say like from our point of view or whatever and we don't know what it is we don't know what it is we're gonna hand it to us we're gonna turn the page over and and read and i have a feeling i'm gonna be sucking dick at some point um so i'm just kind of trying to mentally prepare oh i'm first okay tell me who's first it's down paper is down and then Kathy now then is this some people sent scripts they could write scripts oh she's anyone to hunger go look at it so now then turn over your papers Kathy you start this was what we have to say this was written by live for today okay good boogie you know i never mastered the use of the whip i'm willing to help you with that i was hoping you would say that and as you say that is consent after all you said you were willing two weeks ago you took out your mushy 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