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Plus, eligible customers get $1,850 in Jeep Anniversary Bonus Cash on all Jeep models. See your Jeep dealer for details. Hello, and welcome to another episode of Retrospection. In this episode, we've been thrown back into our TARDIS and heading to 1993 with the Doctor Who special, Dimensions in Time.
My name's Colin, join me, we must pull free. We must succeed. It's a bit late for that. Yeah, it is, yeah.
And my name's Paul, and I seem to have slipped a groove in time. Oh, you slipped a few grooves in time. Did I have a felt-through, too? Yeah.
And it's really hard to say that. It was? Yeah, yeah. I don't even know if I pulled it off or find out yet, it won't work.
Well, TMDB says all of the doctors and carnations are in crisis when the RANE creates a time loop in the East End of London in this 30th anniversary special. Special, key word there. It is, yeah. Yeah.
Stairs quite a lot of people, do a selection. OK. Tom Baker as the Doctor. Colin Baker as the Doctor.
Peter Davison as the Doctor. I am said to the female. John Pertwee as the Doctor. Anne Sylvester McCoy as the Doctor.
Kate Amara as the RANE, Sophie Aldred as Ace. Dickle the Branches, Perry Brown, Bonnie Langford as Melanie Bush. And Latisha Dean as Cheryl Watson, Caroline Foreman as, oh, Carol Anne Ford as Susan Foreman. Is there any you'd like to add to that list?
Elizabeth Sladen. As? Sarah James Smith, obviously. Well, yeah, it's obvious to us, but might not be obvious to the listeners, Paul.
I guess not. And yeah, there's a few other companions in there that I can't actually remember. I think the actress that played Liz Shaw was in there as well, in one scene. Right.
Playing Liz Shaw obviously. That's quite a few. No, it's quite a few. They dug a few out, didn't they?
They did, yeah. So this was a two-part special. Episode one was shown as a part of Children Indeed, and episode two was shown as a part of Knowles House Party. A Saturday evening light entertainment show that was considered to be, and I quote, the most important show on the BBC.
He probably was, you know, at the time. Do you know how many viewers got to its height? I dread to think on. 15 million.
The BBC would kill for those kind of figures these days, wouldn't they? On anything, really? Yeah. Yeah.
At least the show that gave the world Mr. Blobby as well. Swings around about Spa. Obviously Mr.
Blobby's got a horror character. I mean, he's just nervous. You have to think, was this, now, did this take place before Mr. Blobby was a thing?
I don't know the time. I don't know. I don't know. Because you have to think how lucky that he didn't be hearing this.
Because if Mr. Blobby was a thing, I'm 100% sure there was a conversation. Oh, there must have been. There must have been.
The entire nation said that they weren't going to be able to use Daleks. Let's bring Mr. Blobby and he said it. Oh, absolutely.
They would have been a big round conference table and they would have been going, so do you think he'd be OK for the party? Blubblebleblebleblebleblebleblebleblebleblebleble. And that was just John Pertley. He was getting on.
Yeah. So the original plan for this 30th anniversary was a feature-length movie called Lost in a Durk Dimension. Stair Tom Baker as the fourth doctor. However, when the project fell through due to disagreements over budgets, a short charity sketch was conceived as a replacement.
You could imagine that conversation, can't you? How much? What is the budget? What have we got in our pockets?
Don't let your pockets lads. I mean, it all worked for free on this, didn't it? Everyone from the production crew to the actors. Everybody did it for free for charity.
OK, but only Pert one was in children in need. But two was in a major entertainment show. Are you implying some kind of swindle going on? Yeah, I'm suggesting that might be.
Yeah. How would you feel if you sat at army and you got on? I just did this for the BBC. It was in the Dark 3 Special.
I didn't get Pert because it was for children in need. And then he went, oh, yeah, Pert two's on Knowles House, Pertie. Yeah, yeah, they've got a big conversation. Definitely.
You'd be like, what's the number for equity? On the other hand, having seen it, I would also think to myself, you know, I'm really not going to draw too much attention to it. So I'm just going to let it go. Yeah, there is another conversation.
Wait, weren't you in that? No. I was never anywhere near it. I have nothing to do with it.
Did you hear that apparently Sylvester McCoy turned up for film? It was slightly hungover for the night before. No, I didn't. Was he?
Apparently, he'd been out the night before, very hungover. So some of the other doctors, some of the other actors playing the doctor, went to the production people and said, oh, I'm a give your Sylvester a lot of the techno battle, because he's really good at it and he enjoys it. And he's like, oh, cheers. Thank you.
That explains the far team takes for that one scene. Where he keeps accidentally calling a selfie. Yeah, we'll talk about that. There's lots of outtakes that we've seen as well, isn't there?
Yeah. Yeah. So this special also had a few gimmicks. Firstly, it was in 3D.
Why? I have no idea, because pretty much only the pointless floaty bits in the roundy ship were making use of the 3D. The rest of it was just railings placed in front of something. See, and barely 3D.
Thank you. Just like that. No, 2D's enough. It is.
Even that's a little bit too much. I would imagine, though, that those, I'm sure, when we go through the end, we talk about it. If you'd had my team a question in 3D, how would you open the glasses on? No problem.
Oh, yeah, yeah. You'd have the glasses on. You'd still be about an inch away from the screen, with the 3D glasses on as well. Six inches, Paul.
That far, I was surprised. The only bit that I can imagine, as you say, the floating heads. But they must have been disturbing in 3D, because they don't look right, do they? Oh.
There's been plenty going on there. What are they made of wax? Are they computers generated? What are they?
No idea. No idea. So the other gimmick is that viewers got to decide between two different scenes in episode two through a telephone vote. And isn't the both the scenes pretty much play out exactly the same?
Yeah, exactly the same, just a different character. Was it Mandy or something? Something on that. Big wrong.
Big, big wrong. But it's the same scene, but it's either that character or the other character made no difference to it. It made absolutely zero difference, yes. No.
No. So we should point out that it featured sets and characters from the BBC soap opera EastEnders. Which, at this point, I've been running for what, maybe six years, seven years? But it was an institution even then, wasn't it, by that point?
Yes. Yeah. It was a big deal. I don't know.
It's still a big deal. It's still going. It's still on, like, pretty much every day of the week. Not that I've seen an episode in years, but...
Well, obviously not. But do soap operas still have that kind of hold over television figures? I guess so over here. I mean, EastEnders Christmas episode is still like in the top five of the most watched things of the day on TV over here, I guess.
So... Yeah. But Doctor Who Never Crossed Over With It Ever Again. Oh, Catherine, why?
Neither can I. I think we'll discuss it and figure it out as we go along. Yeah. Yeah.
So crossed over with Coronation Street. Should have... Yeah, could have been a dumb both. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. It's a bit grim up here. I think Colin Baker actually appeared in the Coronation Street once, you know.
I'm pretty sure everybody that's in Doctor Who has been in Coronation Street at some point. Yeah, you're probably right there. You're probably right. Even after studying Coronation Street.
So have I. There you go. Bit old Grenada Studios, too. Yeah.
Not exactly the Universal Studios, too, is it? Not really, but I do remember the New York Street and the American New York car that they had there. Yeah, the Cub Car. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Is it authentic considering that you see that every day now? Well, they've changed, Paul. They're not still driving around in 1980s. I'm just going to say, you know what, you don't live in 1985 anymore.
No, thankfully. Although we are going back around. We are. We are.
We are really are. Going back to Sylvester McCoy. I'm wondering whether his state of mind was in question during this, because apparently he stood in the middle of Albert Square and he had a bit of a rant at one point. Oh, about what?
I've got the quote here. I've got the whole quote here. Apparently he's still in it. He's still in the middle of Albert Square and shouted very loudly.
I don't understand why those BBC enterprise people can't get us all together for love the money. But when John Nathan Turner makes a few calls, we're all here with Boots Black doing it for nothing. There must be something wrong. Oh, I don't know.
That seems like a fair complaint. He's not very happy, though. No, he is working for nothing. He's not like he's the only one working for nothing.
They're all working for nothing. Oh, you're telling me when you're not working for nothing, you'd be like, oh, it's okay, because everybody's doing it. You still complain? I suppose yes.
Let's very man. We're not talking about Tom Cruise money here. We're not talking about actors that are in millions. We're talking working actors.
Yeah. And I would imagine that when the show was still running, because we should say at this point, the show had been off the earth for a couple of years now. Yeah, been cancelled. Yeah.
When it was on it, and so I said, the incumbent doctor at the time that it was cancelled, and what you reckon he was making? Can't be a lot, can it? No. 500 quid on episode?
Maybe. Oh, I think not. Well, it was a little bit of a... You've probably got biscuits coming.
Yeah, definitely. Liquid lunch. That was all the rage back in 1987 or whatever it was, wasn't it? But BBC, Liquid, Gramp, lunch.
Tom Baker did nine years of Doctor Who doing that. It's a television studio that had its own bar. About great days, I don't know. I bet they were.
The fact that this is a 30th anniversary episode of Doctor Who, and the children in Need thing, that's kind of a tradition that still goes on today with New Who. They always do a little Doctor Who thing in children, because children in need still a thing in this country, still. Yeah. It's a traditional thing that happens every year.
Did you read the license in the copyright restrictions to prevent this from ever being repeated anywhere ever? Yeah. Oh yeah, there is. Wait, who would own the copyright?
I don't know. There must be some weird thing about it that maybe it was something to do with children in need or BBC Enterprises. I will imagine that the Doctor Who things are quite complicated. Yes, but didn't it get released on DVD?
It got released on home video. Video taken. And they've all gone, no. It's not on an eyeplier.
You can't watch an eyeplier. So it's not on the complete collection of Doctor Who that they keep shouting about? No, it's not the Who Universe. OK.
As you said, Tom Baker came back. It was his first time reprising his role of the Doctor since 1981. He puts his all into it, doesn't he? Well, considering they were thinking of a film with him, and here he just seems to be sat on a chart.
He doesn't even get up. Reading the script. We've seen the outtakes. We've been rearing the links for the show.
Was that in the video we saw? He's not. He couldn't care less. Really?
I mean, it's not a great part, is it? Not really. No. I would imagine that this is probably all he would agree to do.
So you think he wouldn't agree to a movie anyway? I think he would agree to a movie if he was the main character, yes. But I think in terms of this. And there's no other doctors.
In terms of this, this is all he would agree to do. And I mean, if you think back to the previous anniversary where they went to Doctor who was still going and they made the episode I think it was called The Fine Doctors, they had to use outtakes from an unfinished episode for him because he said he wasn't going to do it. Oh. Yeah.
Yeah, we should say that this is probably the cheapest Doctor who ever. Ever. Ever. Which is really saying something.
It really is. It really is. This was also John Percy's final live action appearance as a Doctor. I think he did some audio stuff later, but this is the last time.
He said live action. He played him when he was dead. Well, he was a good Doctor. I like John Percy.
I like John Percy. He's a little abrasive in the outtakes on this. He is a little bit. We'll talk about that, won't we?
As we said earlier, there were supposed to be Daleks in this, but Terry Nations of State vetoed it in the last minute. Which is interesting because I'm sure in the outtakes I did see a Daleks look at him. Oh, just in the background. Yeah.
Well, they have been like storming through Albert Square. I would have worked. I don't know. I mean, they would have only had like two or something.
Yeah. Well, most of the costumes and sets and most of the monsters stuff, the BBC had to go, John Nathan Turner had to go to fans who owned a lot of this stuff and ask if he could borrow it. Because the BBC had even sold off most of it or destroyed it. There was no TARDIS set.
That whole roundest TARDIS was a recreation from someone's collection. Oh, I assume they decided to film in Albert Square because it was cheap. It was a standing set that would be there anyway. Oh, yeah.
Because they do film other bits. They film a Greenwich. They do. They do helicopter as well.
Yes. Yeah. But most of it's at Albert Square and because he's tenders was going to be shooting there anyway, they could just use it. Yeah.
Yeah. She was in what's there, isn't it? Yeah. I wonder how many days it took.
Couple of days. I know. I reckon it took seven days. I reckon it took one day to film everything and then six days with John Pertwee's scenes.
Those outtakes do go on there. They really do. He doesn't even have to do anything. He's just one line.
And he's directing the director at one point, isn't he? I mean, are we going to talk about it later? We'll talk about it later. We'll talk about it later.
We'll talk about it later. This is the eighth worst Doctor Who story. What are the other seven though above it? That's what I want to know.
Did you not find out? That's the list I want to say. Definitely. I mean, there can't be anything worse than this, can there?
Well, they came to New Who. I don't know. I didn't go that far. Oh.
Yeah. What could be? Oh, now I want to find out. Yeah.
That's going to be an interesting find. I feel a future podcast coming up. Well, we know. I feel a future seven podcast coming up.
We do each one. Yeah. In reverse order. You have to say that apparently this did raise over a 100 and one thousand pounds.
For children in need. Job done? Yeah. Yeah.
All done for nothing as well. Yeah. Yeah. Not bad.
Did you read it? Apparently they wanted to get either the Pet Shop Boys or erasure to re-record the theme tune. But both fans said that you're right. Thanks.
Oh, wouldn't you love both of those? Yeah, definitely. I can imagine the Pet Shop Boys doing it. Yeah.
Yeah. We do get kind of a funky new version of the theme tune anyway, don't we? We do. We do.
We do. No, yeah. I can imagine them being in it too. As well.
Time Lords. Yeah, because it's been themselves in the background. Yeah. Why not?
Everyone else is in it. And apparently the last thing I was going to say, not to end it all on Donut, is that this was Wendy Richards final film appearance before she died. It's actually quite a lot of people's last film appearance. It's certainly a lot of people's last Doctor Who appearances, which is, you know.
Depressing. Yeah. Cag of. Yeah.
Well, so we open at Knoll's house per day. Green Cleveland. Green Cleveland. Yes.
And there's somebody at the door. I mean, we can't explain the concept of this. And I was going to be an American listener. So you don't understand what Knoll's house is.
That's just you go on YouTube and then gouge your eyes out. You have to see it. It is a strange thing to try and explain, isn't it? You know.
It's kind of fun though. I can't say I didn't watch it because I did. I did too. Every Saturday.
Yeah. So I was going out every Saturday. So I guess it's early on Saturday. Look at you.
No, most people, you going out too. I mean, you're going out alone, but you're going out. But those special clubs didn't open until late for you. What's the one in the police academy call?
Kimsters. What? So, yes. So what at the door?
It's John Potry. Yes. Yeah. And Potry says, you know, he's been time traveling.
He says, I've seen you in the future in 2010. You're still on TV. Was he? Might have been doing deal on old deal.
Yeah, I suppose. Even that or? Not sure. He's not quite with it anymore, is he?
Maybe it's like a back to future deal. It looks a little turnip to timeline. It must have been. You have to say that John Potry is doing a good job of trying to remember all those terrible gags that he's got to deliver in this bit, doesn't he?
Because they are terrible. Yeah, they are. Yeah. They make us look like the height of coffee.
They do. So, Noel does a little intro for the Doctor Who episode, doesn't he? Yes, and he points out that they're going to be using 3D glasses, which, they don't appear to be the red and blue or red and green glasses. They seem to have a clear kind of one.
I think there's some sort of special thing that they came up with, aren't they? Yeah. Yeah, because when we see it, we don't see the red and green stereoscopic view. Why is Noel Evans trying to, when he's explaining it all?
He sets with Doc like a weird nerdy voice, doesn't he? Because it's Doctor Who? He sets the top like this and it will be, doesn't he? Yeah, yeah.
You think you've taken them, Michael? I think he was a little bit, yes. No, but yeah. I mean, if you've got 50 million viewers and you're introducing a show that's been cancelled because no one was watching it.
You're going to take the piss. I guess so. Yeah. Alright, it's fair for a player enough, yes.
What we do? Yes, it was the all-way round. Yeah. Yeah, very true.
Yeah. So, we can be, so it starts. Oh, yes, yes, it starts. He also points out that you can influence the outcome, which is totally not true.
Well, it's all fact, isn't it? Well, yeah, but you can influence the outcome. You can only influence a scene slightly. Well, he doesn't know.
He's not seen it before, is he? Yeah, that's true. They go through the motions of pretending to have been watching it. But you know, as soon as they cut to that episode, both John Pertowy and Noel Evans are fucked off backstage.
They're all watching it. To the pub. To the pub, yes. Yeah, so we got to Keita Maratharani in her ship.
Who's that actor with her? I think he's been in Doctor Who before and I think he's playing the same character that you played in Doctor Who. He's got a million. He's somebody who's gone on to be a known actor in lots of TV, right?
I couldn't find him in the credits, but I recognised his young face. I could imagine it older, and I've seen him in loads of stuff. In a lot of British crime shows. Crime shows.
Detective shows. Someone tell us, because we can't be bothered. No, because we've got to figure it out. Meanwhile, while they're talking, we get lots of random 3D floaty stuff just to make sure we understand that it's 3D.
Yeah, this is where the disturbing wax heads come in, don't they? Do you know what they were? Do you think they went down to like Madam Two Sorters? We brought a couple of your heads, please.
I don't think they went as high as Madam Two Sorters. They went to Billy Bob's Waxhead Museum and just got some stuff from him. Yeah, the William Harlow one, he's particularly distillate. He's got that face.
He's haunted. He's literally haunted. He's talking about the wax. No, not the real, not the real.
Oh, all right, OK. That'd be rude. It would be rude. Yeah.
Although, he would be haunted at this point because he's been dead a while. That's true. Too soon? Too soon?
Oh, maybe he's not because he's down travel. Yeah, yeah, I thought that. Yeah. Although he's not the first Doctor anymore, is he?
Yes, he is. Yes. So, do you understand the round he's... Plot?
I assume that she's trying to collect all the doctors and take them out of time. Right, but first she's collecting all the villains. Yeah, there's a backup thing. Oh, there's a backup?
Yeah, because she's got a Cyberman and a Time Lord in the little round rolls of the TARDIS. Round rolls? Oh, yeah. That's how he's the worst glory rolls I've ever seen.
I mean... And you've seen him. I'll see. What?
No. Go, watch. Go, watch. You've looked into a few.
Yeah, that's... You have that, a T-shirt. Yeah. And then we got to...
Svesta bakai. I'm gonna use the actors' names because otherwise I'm gonna say Doctor and you're not gonna know what you're... How haven't we missed Tom Baker? He puts it.
Oh, yeah, given his... Given the narration. In front of a blue screen, Sanitary. Yeah, with more floaty names, right?
Yes. Yeah. His narration doesn't really explain what's going on. No, he just kind of does a...
He sends out like a distress signal to the other doctors, doesn't he? Right, fire some flowers. You know what? The thing that always bothered me about Doctor is right.
So, he... Oh, this... Oh, this is... Oh, this is...
You do, yes. And I get that they call on doctors' past and present to help each other, right? Can... Can I just pause?
You know that's all different now in NewHoe. Oh, yes, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying, but. Okay, sorry, KRL.
Well, because it's a show that's run for so long, and I get it because it's not real, okay? But why doesn't the doc, why doesn't Tom Baker call on David Tennant's doctor? Why doesn't the new guy call on Patrick Trown's doctor? You know.
They always call on doctors from the past. Yeah, they only have a call on the doctors that we've seen. So wouldn't it be interesting if they did an episode where they called on a doctor and it was like they got a different guy to play a doctor from the future? We might never have seen him.
He could be a doctor from way in the future. You know, that would be a way of doing it. Right. You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They've never done that. The only time that I think that they ever brought in a different doctor was when John hurt at it in New Who. Yeah.
Interesting. That's an interesting idea. And would it be really cool if they actually spent a lot of time thinking about it? They chose an actor, but then in like two doctors afterwards, they actually made a doctor.
That would be great. That would be something I could be on board with that. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. They kept it quiet. He's only the doctor for that episode. You're like, oh, we're never going to see him again.
That's weird. And then like two incarnations later, he becomes a doctor. And then you're like, oh, and then you do the episode from that end side of it. I was kind of like a Babylon 5.
Yeah. I was hoping that that's what we're going to do with that. I don't want to talk about New Who Too Much, but you remember when they did that Christmas episode? Paul, I don't want to talk about the top.
Do you remember they did a Christmas episode? Years ago with David Tannant were David Morrissey was in it. And for a little bit in that episode, you thought maybe he was a future doctor. Yes.
It was a switcher, it was a turn out to be. That was what I was hoping they were going to do. That maybe he was a future doctor. You know?
And wouldn't it be great? Like you said they cast him two, three doctors down the long. You know? Yeah.
But you know, they didn't. That requires planning. Anyway, back to this crap. How dare you?
So we now cut to Sylvester McEine's selfie, old red, arriving at the Cottysack in London in 1973. That's right. You could tell it's not really 1973, because nothing's covered in shit. It's true.
There's no bags of rubbish piled up outside. And the building's out black. That's true. And nobody's smoking.
That's true. Yeah. Yeah. But we've got to say what happens throughout this episode is it just cuts between people.
It gets very confusing. Yeah, it gets very confusing. It's really hard to write notes about it. Because they start a sentence with one doctor and they instantly cuts to finishing the sentence with a different doctor.
Oh, the assistant suddenly appears with a different doctor in the mid-sentence. I mean, that's kind of a good idea. That is an idea. Yeah, it is.
Imagine editing it. Imagine the editor and you're like, wait, I think you've made a mistake here. You're not filmed. I'm like, no, no, that's it.
You put it together, mate. You have fun. Like, okay. Fill your boots.
Yeah. I don't know what to do. The doctor, is he the seventh doctor? So that's the McCoy?
He is, isn't he? Well, you're the doctor who, Gucci. I'm nearly the companion. Yeah.
Yeah. I'm sure I'll be, I'm pretty sure I'll be quicker to Google it than to count your fingers. Yeah, but I'll do it this way. Hold on.
I'll be there. Name him out loud from the first one. OK. Thank you.
Thank you. We've got William Hartnell. Patrick Houghton. Yes, one.
Patrick Houghton. Two. John Purswing. Three.
Tom Baker. Four. Peter Davidson. Five.
Colin Baker. Six. So that's McCoy. So he was the seventh.
He's that hers going wild, isn't it? He's the name of Tom Baker in that time. He's sort of in that time. Well, he's having fun.
You know. He's having fun with Ace. Well, I was going to say he's having an Ace time. I like we're on the same page.
Yeah. It's a grubby old band's page, but it's still the same. It's true. That's true.
That's true. And this is where we get the, as you said, the first cut, isn't it? Because she, Ace is talking with him. Yes.
And then suddenly she's with Colin Baker's doctor. Yes, in Albert Square. In Albert Square. And you've got to say Colin Baker's costume must have shrunk in the wash.
That's obviously the explanation for it, isn't it? Not being worn. A bit snug. Yeah.
A little snug, but you know, who isn't? And he says it's not crazy, which is weird because it's the most of the noises. And maybe that's how time travel works. If you've got crazy here, it gets less crazy.
If you've got less crazy here, it gets more crazy. If we time travel, do you have a full head of her and I'd be bald. This is true. So how does the sixth doctor, Colin Baker, know who ace is?
Well, there's more of that. There's worse ones. That happens all the time. Yes.
Well, isn't there always this like weird how they get around in these things where the doctor has some memories of other doctors? Would you have the memory of a doctor in the future? That's what I don't get. That's what I don't get.
So he'd be like, who the hell are you? I was just walking along, he's walking up here next to me. I'm following my professor. I might be like, oh, hello.
I'm ace, yes, you are. No, he's Colin Baker, not Tom Baker. Oh, sorry. So then we got Persuie and Mel played by Bonnie Langford.
Which is the worst one because Mel is way after. Yes. John Perley because Mel is still the best of a guy. And Peter Davidson?
I think so, yeah. I think so, yeah. I've turned up in one of the recent David Tenns specials. Oh, did she?
Yes, for no reason other than member Barry's. Oh, yeah. Well, it wasn't an anniversary one, I suppose. I suppose.
When she doesn't contribute anything. Was she one that just screened all the time? Yeah, and she was always exercising, wasn't she? Oh, that was Bonnie Langford's thing, right?
Yeah, she's the moment at Colin Baker's doctor for putting on weight. Oh, which she was? Oh, yes. And Wendy Richards in old age makeup.
Yes, I mean, the gag here is seen. East Enders Actors make up to look older. Yeah, because it's supposed to be 2013. Yes.
John Perley's really trying his best with what the material has given, though. He's taken it seriously. More than any of the others seem to be. Yes, yeah.
But I'm not sure this requires seriousness. No, it doesn't. There's a place and a time for it. Yes, there is.
It's not very good. And six children is not the time for seriousness. That's true. That's very good.