recording I've got a lot of room for ages. A dark room as well. It's not a branded one. It's just a Morrison's own brand More bang for you, but can I just say unlike the the start of this podcast before we delve into wrestling?
Okay, um, I was going down the rabbit hole of that podcast. I see it that podcast that um dumped one of its presenters Oh, there's more than four isn't it? Yeah, and that we like and um they're like fully massively active on patreon Okay, trying to like rinse money out of people and all that shit. I know what we I know we're a tiny podcast and all that shit But we have quite a few downloads and quite proud of us that we've never gone down that route of asking people That was at the very start that was a conversation We are glad we didn't because I've got to say I still find it really galling paint I know that people do it off of their own back.
Yeah, and there is an argument for what I'm putting this out there And it's my job, but I don't know there's just something like it depends on it. I mean, I like patreon as a model Yeah, it's the same way of you sort of supporting anybody that you kind of funds off You know at the time so at the time that we sort of started the podcast I Was very into kind of funny From the old IGN groups the Greg Miller Colin Moriai They broke away did kind of funny and I was like on an arry web to give them You know, I think I did feel like a about half a year in like five dollars a month because I consumed everything that they put out And obviously everything went fucking sideways with them. I think what it depends to me where it gets a little bit Merky and the whole patreon thing is when you have tears Because if you're subscribing to Netflix Netflix, I mean, maybe you'll come in the future But Netflix doesn't have tears, you know, as you can pay more to have like more households or more people But it doesn't have tears whereas patreon is for to me in my eyes. It's for fans of things So if you want to give so you know If you had like your 500 concurrent listeners and they all get and they were all really into you and they gave you a dollar every time You did a show that would be more money than I make Per month and well, maybe the same with exchange rate So that you know somebody can make a career out of doing something that they love and so I really like that side of it Well, what I don't like is when they have things like, you know for three hundred dollars a month You can come on the show for five hundred dollars a month will send you a personalized Thank you and all that kind of stuff because you don't need that level of money You know when you're at some of the people that are on patreon when you're at the level that they're at you don't need a Like a thousand dollar tier just in case some nutcase wants to give you a thousand dollars per month I think you can drop off the one month with that kind of thing and I think like I Understand I'd like totally get it and I don't begrudge anyone on anything at all I really don't for like this it was only when I was looking at them Go to your fucking courts so like they they don't like one of their presenters and you've been actively yeah And we've you know supported a poppy hill stage you might see a couple of retweets we've done But like a podcast is infinitely better well like they did an amazing podcast three of them the ditch to her and now They're on patreon and one of their tears is 500 pounds a month So this is a thing like who thought I mean it'll be like what would you get for that?
Well all you get is I had a look at it last night So going down the rabbit hole if they only just started this this is the start of the season I've been a dumpster so they've got something not a patreon before no the soul fucking cheeky I know it's great, but I know this isn't interesting But anyone's a fan of wrestling but but because it's like podcast I think it feeds into what we're talking about yes But like the only thing the only thing that is away from you get the podcast early or you get this or you get like the Outtake the only shit the only difference to get 500 pound a month Can I just say is will do you were your own private podcast where we'll just talk to you and it's like okay? So that that'll be one where you do it for one month and you drop down exactly It's like what you can do that every fucking month well This is this is a thing like I mean those kind of things are fair enough if people want to pay it But I do see it as being exploited if you know It's not because I remember you know who's a musician who I'm massively fond of it wasn't patron But it's something music and just I can't remember what it's called with like band something yeah, and when he releases an album He's got all you know you can buy the album and then you can buy all these extra tears and for like you know 2,000 pound it was I'll come and play a gig at your house shit That's somebody who is you know putting on a show where is you know we're talking about wrestling obviously you know if people What if everybody who listens to us gave us a dollar one of us would be able to quit the job Well, that's not the pointer you know the point is is we do this for fun And this is our opinion because as soon as money comes into it like kind of funny and obviously they started it straight away But as soon as money comes into the situation their opinions change based on that and the whole fallout from them where you're calling did that We which was just a joke and it ended up losing it and obviously he's got a very successful side project And well side project when I did actual thing where he talked more political and talked about games and things like that That's doing very well last time I checked and when money starts coming involved You can't do what you want to anymore because I have said some questionable things on this podcast things I actually regret saying because you know you do it in the moment We always drink we've got a drink in our hands now, you know You never know what's gonna come out your mouth and between me and you we joke about all sorts of stuff Yeah, and we've never said anything like I mean I can only think of one thing that was horrendous. I said But it wasn't like racist or anything like that. It was just a stupid comment But you don't know out of other than that which we know was horrendous Over than that you don't know what you're saying that will offend somebody like you know something is it as easy?
You know as saying you know a specific wrestler shit or you know whatever your Roman Reigns for instance like we were bagged on the rings for like five years Yeah, because he because he shit but actually I was showing that he's not shit But it's not the person It's the rest it's the wrestling persona But people don't because a few other tweets that we've had in the past where they've been like you know leave Roman alone cry cry cry emoji They don't distinguish the wrestler from the human being you know when I say I don't like the Bellot wins And we're talking about this before I don't dislike the Bellas as humans I just don't like him in wrestling. I think the crap yeah, but there's a load of people that's up You know they have loads of fun So it's not for me to say I can only give my opinion on that now if we had an revenue stream We'd be censored and it doesn't matter if people say they're not censored They are when money's involved they do they go where the money goes so if we were so like right now You know nobody gives up from the tweets that I've done No one gives a fuck about new japanese followers because we've been talking about Do we refer you know years yeah, so no one gives a shit about new japan now if we were paid and we Nobody would want to hear about new Japan But new Japan is the thing that's really exciting about wrestling at the moment because it's a something that I'm kind of newly into Which you know is wrestling fans we all know that things like if you go down like a I'm not saying for a minute that it was ever an option for us It was like should we try We just massively exploited it but like yeah Because we're not putting any effort into it so for us to sort of say oh would you like to give us some money? Exactly like we're not putting you know obviously we sit here and we talk but we do this because you know We were sat on the sofa before we were having a massive run about wrestling And it was like she just put the mic on and just talk about stop here now Just put my con because we're having a run that's literally as far as it goes for us We don't sit here and go okay. Yeah, great.
Let's like get the whiteboard out. Let's brainstorm the fucking show This is the problem now I think the only way to go about it if you're you know if you're a Podcast that you know as a reasonable following but maybe you know Isn't to the point of like you got a million downloads in a year or something like that if you're getting if you're getting to you know Hundreds of 250,000 downloads in a year I think I'd better to the way to go yeah because that doesn't you know that doesn't take money off the people that listen to you But it get what it allows you to have a certain amount of revenue stream So I think that would be the only way I would go ever would be adding an advert with other efforts in the past We would just like read out a little thing That'd be the only way I'd go but now because we were so out of wrestling and we're so not into it now I'm like I'm enjoying being back into wrestling again I don't want to treat this as a business because it's silly because we're like you know at some point we might get a little bit Who cares I think the thing that like that maybe I think I was looking at the gossip mongas guys and the fact that they behave so Volently and their tears were so ridiculous. They got I mean they got like I'm like a total because sometimes you know I didn't see I was coming home last night, but like I think that it just it really just brought it home that I Just I forget I forget about podcasting and I forget that we started podcasting you know And when I say even saying podcasting sounds we used to make you like so we literally just put my economy Just chat but as I say we will get on to rest of the minute, but like we we so lose with it It's not like it's a fucking show and I know we used to do the music and all that shit We don't bother anymore because if I can be bothered that's the only goal I've got for like probably next year is to make us an intro because I know there's some time sometimes I feel like I would be cool to You know, but then I think well I'd have to go back to old shows and pick out a funny bit and you know that kind of and then I won't place a kid I'll get there Or I've got some a w I've got some ninja pants to watch Listen, this is a very cold cold opening to the show one cold open to the show Would you say it's as good the broccoli 9 9 actually Hello everyone and welcome once again to at the end one two nine What the fuck is going on at the table? This is like a fucking retribution or whatever the fuck ringing their lawyers like yeah I mean that's if Vince doesn't pull out another mad staple stable in the next few months that are all like pro union and like Roman Reigns is turned face again.
He's just spearing them all. You know that's That's a thing, but yeah, I hope you're all well. Hope you're all safe Hope you're looking after each of you wearing your masks. They do work.
They do work Yeah, I'll be good. How are you? I mean bloody hell. It's like ground off day, isn't it?
Every single day is like whoa same old shit Apparently it's a different day It's a different day the only thing that like stamps my week is strictly come down sin. I'm like oh shit It's Saturday. We're on a strictly highly which is actually yeah. Yeah, it was great.
I love it I love straight from dancing. I'm a man. I mean if I'm a massive bill Bailey fun and Jesus crap Into seeing so many times and the guy you know doing these rap dance. It's cool.
It's motherfucker No, I know he didn't halo no, I don't Not so that probably Vanilla vodka I'm good about the thoughts by So we've got some decent things to talk about this week whether or not we give another one tomorrow who fucking knows the normal slot I like that we do it now though even if it is five to eleven on the Saturday night because you know some days that tend to be I Think that's what threw it off last week. So we had two shows to really review We're not a big fan of reviewing shows because there's only so much you can say about it being a good match and last week I felt like there was so much wrestling going on and I was so excited for it all And then I actually started actually to actual Jmo about this Sort of early in the week just saying like you basically said about how good full gear was I was like yeah full gear was fucking amazing And then I kind of thought about it was like we really didn't seem like you know I can't remember really what we said but for me me personally I can't remember saying I thought it was a really great show because it was because I was so tired because we've Watched it twice and the whole Sunday was just blocked out We're watching it again and all that kind of shit and but I do stand by the I think it lost its theme with the last two matches But yeah, it was a fucking great show. It was just it was like, okay So the more as soon as we get excited I think maybe to do a show that's when we put the mic on I don't think we should have a set slot every week. Well definitely someday.
We'll do it like over the weekend But it could be Friday could be Sunday depending on what's kind of going on. Yeah, absolutely So should we get straight into it? Do I do a couple of tweets first? Yeah, go for it So obviously the big news Selena Vega Within 10 minutes of tweeting about pro unionization got released now.
We'll talk about that. I think straightaway because we're putting all Now we're going on there Well, that's kind of like the main topic. We've got loads of things to offer But that's like the main point of it So I've done a poll which I'll leave for another couple of an over hour or two Turn on how long we go and just basically saying You know getting people's opinions really on the old poll But we've had two responses to it so far. It's only been up a little while Perennials staples cornerstones of the at the end wrestling podcast first off is actress Horiks 31 who is one of the funniest guys On Instagram I've got you on Instagram Chris no, I don't know on Twitter I can't keep up with him Jones and jokes like tells but yeah, she'll laugh go follow him and he's put just basically replying to you know Who are you with out of this?
Delving so we've all been so we've dealt into before but I think we should go into a video from this one And just who you with you with the wrestlers you with WWE or do not give a shit like it really really really come down to it Do you not give a shit? So I'm sorry so one spot as independent contractors It's out of order for WWE to tell you what they can and can't do you Vince keeps moving at the goalposts And then actual Jmo actual underscore Jmo a spot if you made money from your podcast You're in point Wouldn't ask you for some of that money would they and then he's given us a room 101 as well She's very good. We'll go for you later So Selena do you want to do you want to give you I mean the whole I think the first point to kind of go through is the 10 minute Of course obviously she knew she knew she was getting released for like a long time or 24 hours 48 hours six hours eight hours She knew that when that announcement was going out and she did that tweet deliberately 10 minutes before that announcement Because there's no way that you would tweet and then WWE makes a decision in 10 minutes because those guys can't even make a decision They just can't like they would never just go. Oh, she's sweet that sucked That they would never do that because pages said you know pages still got contract with them and pages said oh Research and some great great shit about you.
Nice. I'm not a saka so it's it was a deliberate thing from her There's been a discussion. There's been some maybe it's mutual. Maybe it's not what they said.
Okay We're gonna announce it at this time You're released and she did a strategic tweet 10 minutes before that announcement obviously WWE aren't checking up on her on her channel on her Twitter because if they were they wouldn't probably have put that out They're still releasing her but they might have gone. Okay Selena. You're gonna play it like that We'll wait for I mean the thing is once she put she knew she was going once she put like she knew she's going along before She put that out So they kind of couldn't win when they announced that because if it was 24 hours later people go Only 24 hours after she did so whether it's 10 minutes where it's 24 hours of it's 48 hours Everyone will come back to that tweet and go just 40 hours or just one week since she tweeted about unionization So 10 minutes 24 hours 48 hours a week doesn't matter. She put the tweet out.
Maybe we look stupid Absolutely, I fucking love it great. I mean I love the fact that it's 10 minutes before because that has a lot of impact I don't think we can only think of the same impact if she got released a week afterwards But the one the sort of the sucker punch of 10 minutes before she got released She put that and then and then because obviously you know big companies and things like that work with scheduled tweets So that she would have known exactly when that's we was gonna go out Yeah, and then you know from there has gone right. I'm gonna do something now to cause them the most pain So that you know for when you when you talk about sort of the pettiness of WWE again I think it in a little bit when you think about that from that point of view that's gotten to a situation where The fuck she actually asked her fucking I mean, you know, it's great for her brand and all that kind of stuff and I was talking to gaz about it on Twitter Just basically said, you know, she's gonna do absolutely fine. She's really good on social media when it comes to promoting herself And so she's gonna come out of it, you know, absolutely fine.
So which I replied with a screeching my dog gift But also like so I looked through the the generic feed Like the generic kind of because obviously they were trending so I just I looked through that again Because a guy who's kind of talking about WWE being petty You talk about the generic WWE like hashtags or something the one that's only the very kind of trending like I was looking for you That's just to see what the overall kind of feeling was and the overall feeling was this is bollocks and people very angry I don't normally respond or message to be like, but like there's one guy that I'll give a shout out to is Tom Armstrong who's at Tom L Armstrong 76 on Twitter if you want to follow him who was basically, you know, I saw a Twitter just really well put together so it's about other patterns of WWE and we kind of go into it and say like, you know, Why are they asked to which I retweet the reply point? So yeah, you think they'd have more things to worry about like terrible ratings and horrible creative Which I think was that kind of one well, it didn't win the night Because there was something else that won the night that I want to play for you for your Because it was really nice. Yeah, so obviously, you know, let me pause it because it started so the whole You know going through that feed was just hilarious because sometimes when you go on Twitter and hold these my I came off It might not really on social media other than for this is people can be awful You know that homophobic racist just thick just just fucking thick, you know, I think that's what angers me the most It's just dumbasses talking shit and people probably think like you know that of me when I used to go and swear enough That's why I came off because I know I'm a dumbass talking shit There's one tweet that got a load of reto eats and stuff like that and the tagline to it was just Vince after he saw Selena Vega is pro union take a listen The night for me I was absolutely pissing my sex at that so it's obviously an old school actually do everything You know Vince and Vincent Stephanie has sat there doing interview the comments. They've got a problem It might have been Austin in the parking lot.
It might have been on the ticket I'm a bitch So I thought I was talking hilarious great. Oh It was so funny. It was so funny. Yeah, I love the fact that she tweeted ten minutes before because it literally caused them the most pain At that particular time whether or not it's gonna make any difference I mean, that's really the question for you really cuz I don't think we've talked about that is what do you think the impact of this is gonna be?
I mean if any I'd like to think the impact we matter thoughts I mean client I think it splits into into two clear halves Which is what we were talking about before and that is the people who have come from wrestling and indie wrestling? You know the likes of styles Joe and all them guys and then the guys who've been hand-reared By the way, you know, they didn't they got taken from them over and they got hand-reared and a little bottle bottle fed by WWE and those guys who got hand-reared by WWE will stick by WWE and they will Proudly stand by all the rule changes and it's fine guys. It's cool. You know, I've got a job Yeah, I've got a job and the guys who come from indie wrestling the ones who made money through indie wrestling The ones who just weren't up and coming people I think they're the ones who should probably come together and if I've got anything about them I'd like to think they would come together because I think that they're quite strong and if I can like launching something We were talking about before is that you'll be we is so Divided between those two types of people you've got the people who they get like styles like Smojo Like some he's saying like Kevin Owens, you know Fucking loads of people loads of people who've liked been to Japan the wrestled on the end these three years I was too black fucking out like loads of people have wrestled on the end these have come from other promotions They've made money and all that stuff.
They've like got a well-rounded idea of wrestling You know exactly what wrestling is the understand the business and you go to WWE There one side and then you've got the other side who are Alexa bliss You just get rang up one day and goes as an audition to go and try out for WWE Oh, okay, and the Bellas who didn't wrestle it's like oh, there's an audition for Diva search you'll come down And it's not just the girls because I'm picking on the girls and I named all the boys on the other side It's like Baron Corbin, you know ex footballer You're all your ex sportsmen and women who on this side who had a career doing something else and my sort of like Take on it is that those people who came in with no wrestling experience tended to be The career they wanted to chose the career they chose they weren't good enough Whether that was acting Lana whether that was being a dancer Carmella whether that was being a footballer Baron, you know, I can I can keep going They were all they were all yeah, Ron's German They were all in careers that they weren't good enough to be in or injury took them out or something happened They couldn't be the elite of that career so they had to drop down and rung and I'm sorry But WWE is dropping down. We talk about the NFL. Yeah talking about being a Hollywood actress You know like Lana was in pitch perfect for God's sake, but she thought she landed at that point She probably she in WWE at that point. No really okay, so like she she's kind of come down You know you can't you nobody I think you hit Hollywood or hits any sports things It might ever imagine themselves as going into WWE when they're not a massive the massive stars going for a bit fun You know when they finished their careers.
It's hilarious. It's fun. But you're under a rosy. It's so hilarious It's fun.
Yeah, she must have played a because you're at the top of your game But these are people who you know, I'm sorry to sound harsh failed at their careers Failed massively either they weren't attractive enough good enough or young enough to succeed in their careers So they all drop down in their ed to WWE they got an opportunity To have a job and fuck me. It's a job on prime time TV and they get paid hands on them out of money to do it So they're really fucking grateful to be there massively grateful and they will fall in line those guys So all those fans who go why you keep hiring these people? Why do you keep why'd you hire people like and I'm picking on Alexa Bliss And she's great now. She's doing all sorts.
I'm back in the day Let's let's pick on her like Alexa Bliss. Why have you had Alexa Bliss? No wrestling experience at all, you know, she said in one interview she'd never seen it before she said an oven to you 12 months later Oh, he's watching it all the time. Oh, so we always see bullshit like bullshit like it was it was all bollocks Like you didn't give a shit and even did the bellows.
They didn't give a fuck about wrestling and even if Aaron Corbin didn't give a shit Loads of them loads of them. They're the only ones I can name I could go on But like we all question why they're brought in and we're right to because we're wrestling fans and we want to see wrestling However, if you look at it from a company point of view and I did the comparison before to you of let's take again Let's pick on Alexa Bliss. She comes in X gymnast X bodybuilder X whatever trying to get a job trying to get a job on in prime time in TV Hollywood whoo and she gets the job in WWE She's gonna work really really really really hard to make sure she gets on that TV as you're gonna do everything She's told and she's gonna smile while she's doing it and she's gonna be the best student you've ever seen Compare that with someone like Samoa Joe who gets hired and comes in and goes oh, you want to give me a different name? Don't think so.
I'm gonna go by my name. I'm gonna go by my rules Who's the easiest person to deal with is Alexa Bliss and WWE relies on that side of their roster to make the people who want to shout and scream And complain about it like Paige you know Paige, you know, she was so young in WWE But she's wrestled before she understands the business she gets it she knows how it works She knows what the money is she knows what the money is she knows how much fucking money's flying about and how everyone gets paid What it looks like and how to wrestle she gets it so she's harder to deal with AJ Styles is harder to deal with Zelina Vega it's hard to deal with compared to Alexa Bliss Say in the hard to do no no no no, I'm saying is it's a good thing these people are fully fledged Fighters for their like they understand the industry a bit more you understand their own worth Yeah, you're talking about people who failed and I know it's harsh failed in their of their main career It's of course They're scrambling and they're hungry to at least get some scraps from WWE and they'll take it and they'll defend WWE So the hill because I like well this is if I drop any further down I'm out Yeah, I'm literally I'm out I don't know what I'm gonna do because this is my last gasps at being in the spotlight This is it and people may completely disagree with me for those people WWE get those people in because they pull the socks up of the wrestlers because the wrestlers are the ones who call bullshit on everything Bullshit, yeah, unfortunately the wrestlers have got a face these hungry cunts who are failed sportsmen and gymnasts and dancers and models and actresses They got a deal of all them eragoid Like a fucking hungry dog begging the scraps So it's like they'll all get together and be super grateful any scraps that get thrown to him So not how bullshit the contract gets they go no no WWE treating me great the treats fine And you've got other ones who were like it's a fucking bullshit guys. This is absolutely harsh it and it's WWE I do believe deliberately Makes it so but those two groups of people are juxtaposed against each other constantly and create a friction create a divide and then all all things needs to do If say a la kicks off once upon a once upon a time. He just gives Alexa a she don't winch So Sasha and Bailey lie on the floor because they lost the tag team champions at the end of WrestleMania Well, let's keep smiling because hey I failed at all the other jobs.
I've got a job You know what I mean? It's like it's like any workplace you've ever been in you know if you've been there a long time and you snip the bullshit out And you think I'm gonna stand up to this All that happens is like all that happens is they hire new people and they're all bright and hungry and desperate for the money And then you just suddenly get thrown to the side And if they can sack you can find a way to sack you they'll sack you because they can't be asked to deal with you And that is just the workplace in any respect anywhere if you don't fall in line Nobody admires you standing up for yourself You've got a falling line and WWE have been really successful in getting a workforce of people who are fucking failures in their proper careers Who are just massively grateful like puppies they'll get kicked and we'll keep coming back and the people like AJ Styles Gallows and Anderson FTR like they didn't take any scraps like they just they just went you know what guys? Thanks for fucking this off Gallows and Anderson obviously didn't take any shit And they maybe didn't ask for their release I got released because they didn't take any shit It's been there and done it and gone I'm not doing this box and that's the sorry I know I've rambled on I feel really passionately about it I think it's a deliberate move to WWE to pick people against each other and make everyone falling like a fucking army Absolutely, and I totally agree because it's why I was last week. I was looking for like sort of topics for us to talk about I can't really find anything But one of the more interesting ones was you know like a bleacher of all some sort of article about when Wrestling's refused to do jobs or didn't want to so they didn't want to lose their specific person or something like that And the name that came up time and time again was sure Michael's but that's I think that's a conversation for another day But the thing that relates to this one is Sasha against Alexa Bliss because we've always kind of known you know They've always been pretty venomous towards each other on Twitter The very rarely work together is you know, it's rare when they actually have a match and the whole on this article again It may not be true because it's a ragsheet type thing But she elects a bliss comes in no wrestling experience Sasha Banks basically calls her a slag in a pixie costume and punches a teet out in the first match So it's a properly to make to put her in a place because that's what wrestlers do because we've heard that many a time like people Giving the new guy a stiff shot and all this kind of stuff which is completely fucking pathetic But you know speaking of being pathetic, you know WWE are like that so I do think you're right like the pick They pick those people against each other and they say and not and this is not I think me or you taking anything away from Alexa Bliss Baron Corbin Those kind of people who have gotten a reasonable you know, Alexa Bliss arguably is the top of course Yeah, because I'm using it as an example because you have no wrestling experience I'm literally throwing over is because I can't really think anyone on the spot Well at the Bellas I've always said the Bellas are awful in ring awful on the mic awful and look how great their careers But yeah because because they've done the best with what they've been given You know, I've not heard of any stories of them lying down after a match crying because they lost You know for something is innocuous is a tag team title bell and we and since that point I've massively gone off Bailey and Sasha Whereas you know the NXT take over Brooklyn time.
You wouldn't think there was a bigger couple of female stars in the company Maybe outside of Charlotte for it It's all those little things and like I remember all sticking up for Sasha once on the podcast when a load of legends were basically calling her a bitch And saying that she was yeah, it was like loads of legends that had been in WWE and then kind of like left like you know Do that on the month thing, okay? And I can't remember it was but there was three and we were there was a couple of weeks It was like a recurring theme Saying Sasha's a con right she's an absolute nightmare to speak to and it's like well maybe she is I mean again at the time You know we've got for an all-out kind of stuff and I feel like that's probably a little bit too far But there's no smoke without fire these kind of things and you never hear about it from other people It's always Sasha Banks if there's some sort of drama going on I mean don't forget after The tag team title loss she did a she did an Austin. She took a ball on my own for a long last time So so so when you look at it from a purely business point of view there I say I don't know the time frame which she's gone for six months I like suppose is there the entire six months making money and she and you know Mercedes is sat on doing jack shit You know probably trying to get her Instagram following going so she can do something on that but that's the thing So when you've got those two factions you will get the ones that will fall in line and you'll get the ones that will not now I didn't see Selena Vega saying anything Averly negative now I can't you know, I don't follow it I don't look at people's Twitter's like you know like I saw I know that page has been very vocal against it But to the line of not going over it. I don't know that Selena Vegas tweeting anything like that It's like this is bollocks.
She hasn't to my knowledge. She was just upset I think about losing a twitch at the time and The thing is with with and I'm completely guessing air with Selena like I'm totally just making assumptions Yeah, however, I think it's a little bit easier when you're a two so her and Alice de Black are a powerful force together I would argue that if you were a woman working alone in WWE, you probably won't have had the balls to just go Fuck you guys Know that that's really bad to say but I think you're a united force in the same way against bring the Bellas back if one was They were to some the whole way before really. Yeah, so it was strength It was strength in numbers and obviously like she I don't know Selena Vegas passed in wrestling I genuinely don't know what's gone on done. She's done a lot She's been champion and he's done a lot and they both come together and they both got the knowledge and the experience and You know bullshit, you can smell bullshit a mile off and some people just can't deal with the fucking bullshit But she's obviously making a lot of money.
No like as I say, you know, she's she's already making a lot of money on switch And I would argue with her. Yeah, maybe WWE's elevated a bit. Well, she's not on it enough. She's not doing enough No, she's she's not like she's not me.
She's never been champion. I don't know I don't know like I would say for her She's in it's not it's not Pages a bit different in the sense of like page was properly like the woman and she's had a lot of like for better or worse She's had a lot of mainstream media grabbing headlines. Yeah, she's a movie made about you know, I mean It's like Zelina is a bit like well, I'm making shit. They're not gonna put about on me anytime soon Like it's not happening like I'm making so hand over fist on on this.
I'm doing bloody only fans in my cosplay and all that shit You know, which is you know, whether we like it or not, you know, it's making her money if that continues to make her money And she's built a fan base that aren't all wrestling fans because I would argue it's probably not she's doing cosplay like gaming cosplay They're not telling me they're all WWE fans about the fucking art that was like a tiny percentage that are so fuck it fuck it Why not she's gonna get she's gonna go to Around the world and wrestle if he gets out of this contract, so could she you can go to do a little spot? I've to be signed of anyway. You don't have to sign to a w this is a massive thing about I get signed to a w we don't have to fucking sign and we're in a lockdown and I know all this all this travel restrictions But her and Alistair could go around the world wrestling for New Japan Go wrestling the UK Go wrestle anyway Go home in the US if they wanted to and make a fucking absolute shit So with her social media and his likes power he can command a lot of cash wherever he goes Yeah, definitely if he wants to sign for somewhere he probably can sign for some way Well, he's asked for his to go back to NXT so the article I saw said that Alistair Black is asked to go back to NXT and have told him no So because obviously you know when when it was a shocker not whether they knew it was coming or not or whether she was told like on the day They've obviously made a decision to make so I think this is what I think happened is Everybody who's been on switch and this is you know, this is again It's no job at her but everybody who's been on switch and cameo and all these fucking other things have probably kicked back a bit And gone this is bollocks. I think they've made a scapegoat over Mm-hmm.
I think they've got rid of the lowest wrong person they could that was still still had a bit of sour power Yeah, and they've got rid of one person to then say to everybody else right now Shoot your mouths because we've just sacked her for this because that's what it is anybody who said I mean she may be she asked for a release I if personally if she asked for a release There's no way you're tweeting ten minutes before the announcement about unionization She wouldn't have been on Smackdown last week. Absolutely. She'll smackdown last week There's all happened to quit. You know what they're like, you know, like the Ambrose thing They had him on telly because it was all very amicable and weird That's the way you know, normally that was such an anomaly, you know, he dast They've granted it and he'll go back one day.
Yeah, that's just the way he's gonna go And he asked for it like six months before it happened. Yeah, and he continued to work hard and sparing Yes, but she was you know what have it especially with the fucking women and especially with a woman They're not pushing that much. They wouldn't have had her on the show No, they wouldn't have had her anywhere near the show or they'd have put her through a table So she milliator. Yeah, they would have done some like they've done with Lana week after week after week after week after week after week after week after week You know, it's like it's like it's She's myself with the paper my glass, but like she it's been a rush decision I saw that page tweeted tonight So you want to which and everyone's like oh good for you She's on tonight.
Okay, so she's not she's going she's a big deal and the thing is we paid as well You don't know what's happened there because That everybody who's so the last I saw of it was Everybody who was willing to give the Bw a cook would carry on But that was weeks ago And I don't know if that's still the case and I don't believe that page would be like fuck you Like because there'll be some legal ramification there that she won't be able to deal with so obviously she'll have lawyers and things I'll be advising us and maybe she can they maybe they all can She can definitely afford a big team to fight them if she needs to but it's not a fight that you know It's not a hill that you want to die on I don't think because I don't think it's worth it because you could plow You know hundreds of thousands of dollars into a legal representation to go against WWE and end up losing anyway Because obviously, you know, they've got a weird setup with their contracts where they are independent contractors, but they're also employees They're independent contractors that are treated like employees. So it's one of their Last part of this I I wouldn't be surprised if pages cut a deal Right, and it's but it's a quiet under the under the table deal that all the others are like, you know So her fan base you like yeah, whoa, and then and then she's giving you a payoff I don't know I wouldn't I wouldn't trust whatever she does Yeah, I'm the same Another side of it's a bit more of a hopeful side of me that thinks you know If you put certain stipulations in place where they said oh if you do this will find you and if you carry on your sack Easy way to get out your contract just keep going if you want now Maybe you pay the first fine Maybe you pay the second fine and then you three strikes and you're out your whole contract Yeah, if you don't want to be out then that's a way out I'm not sure who wants to be out because it's just money for nothing for page So why would she want to be out getting sucked is better than being released? So Selena Vega has been mutually released like that's that's the way they put it whether or not it isn't a mutual release or not Because we all know what happens when they release people they've got a non-compete clause That that goes on for fucking ages like Renee Young's not according to John Moxley Renee Young's no non-compete for a wrestling company is a year and a half Which is absolutely fucking mine woman It's all you can't work for a year and a half But it's one of them where they but it was a year and a half because that was apparently how long she may have had left on a contract or That would have been how long she would have been signed for or something like that where something like Zach Rides is 90 days like 90 days Is the normal one but I think I think they've released her they've told her she's being released to make her escape go So that everybody else falls in line But the main the main point of it for me is it will everybody else fall in line or does they get away with all sorts? And one of the main sort of sweets I was seeing from like when I was looking through that feed And the ones that I wouldn't respond to because it's you know It's one of them as a lot of like fucking you know burn them down and all this kind of shit going on But the main one that kept cropping up is you'll keep people like Lars Sullivan who is mental you'll keep You've made racist comments.
Yeah, like publicly racist comments like and not bothered Not bothered at all you're a pedophile like melody and dream and hitting on underage men You know they're the only two where I've seen hardcore proof everybody else's speculation All that stuff which is very awful, but those two in particular have been welcomed back with open arms So it's really hard to get on board with a brand who you know And they are protecting the best interest and they do have to make a scapegoat or somebody somebody was gonna get fired for this Or at least to make somebody else fall in line It seems like Selena Vega has been the scapegoat and but I would It's are because you know people like styles I don't think would ever do it because styles has got kids, you know, yes He has got a lot of money and all that kind of stuff, but I don't think he would do anything to jeopardize his one his reputation and to you know His ability to go somewhere else He said that is you know, he's probably gonna retire with WWE how long is the guy? Realistically got left who knows a couple years maybe until he can retire and still be walking around fine and and still have all his you know Mental faculties in place to quote fully But I don't think he I don't think he's gonna be the one that kind of sticks up for himself I think it'll be a case of just okay We'll arrive this out and maybe I'll go back to the way she knows but the page of them is interested if she's still streaming I'd be very interested to see what comes from that because if you could if you could carry on streaming and Would you know, essentially a strongly worded letter and then potentially release you from your contract? Everybody would still been doing it Well the fact that everybody's come off means that WWE have got something where they can penalize you to the point where that's why everybody came off Well, I mean They've got the best legal team because it's the WWE their legal team will be fucking crazy And it's a double bubble for me because they've done it Because the reason why they've really done it is because it's the pandemic and they're making less money So they're trying to claw as much cash as they can and they can't cope with the fact that the talent are just continuing to make Money handover fist on different platforms when the company has no gate money, but also I'm gonna count on that But also they have got the perfect time because they know that if they throw a load of you know It's worked out very well for him. So the losing money on this side So that they're like, okay, I don't like it.
That's that's the irrational side that is just ridiculous The really savvy and true and horrible side of it is that they've done it in such a way that it's Walked down and it's a pandemic and they know that these wrestlers need the work They let go a load of wrestlers at the start who cannot fucking travel and go anywhere So like Zack Ryder for example went away. Do you want a very like few match contracts? Yeah, I mean you can go overseas, but it's not like as free as it was. No, you know, like so wait if you let somebody go now It's fucking detrimental to their career.
You let someone like Alice DeBlight go right now He's very limited about if they said you know what we'll let you go and you know what? What's the non-complete cause cause sorry you can work tomorrow if you like they could do that to him and know he won't get work For at least 90 days I can't fucking go anywhere because a w ain't got the fucking cash to sign anybody None of the wrestling companies can sign anyone in the US you can have a guest spot and you can have a bit of cash for that But you can't freely travel to the UK to Europe. You can't go anywhere So they've done this such an opportune time for their like greedy cash grabbing Bastard in Little Ham. That's exactly the point that they've gone We can throw this illegal action at them now because they're so fucking scared about being unemployed because there's nothing for them for the foreseeable We're not talking about two months talking about the foreseeable got no fucking answers here So if it was ever a time for people to fall in line it'd be now However, if they would have if they would have tried to action this in like 2018 There would be more people go fuck you because the options 2019 It was very exciting and the world was your oyster's wrestler.
It would have been like fuck you I'll just go somewhere else if I'm making this much money even sales maybe my God fuck you Styles that would have been making shit songs money because you know, he's doing Tokyo Do much is you know, he's made that guy was alright now the point that I was counting is the money situation So I saw when I was looking through the tweets Maria can't let us going on about being released from a contract Like a month after giving birth, but that's that's kind of what she was kind of going on about when the companies earnings call And I was record profits. So they don't it's the second option that you say in there. It's the cash grabbing Because the thing is it's like they they're losing live game a live gate is fucking mental like the amount the amount of money that you get from a paper view live gate because like we saw with AWS at a thousand or the eight hundred and fifty paying funds and it was sixty grand so turn that into twenty thousand and You've got a considerable game. You know UFC announces the gates every time and it's always like you know 1.5 to You know, if it's kind of a Gregory, it's like two point five million dollars for one night.
So that's a massive thing However, WWE aren't getting that because they so they do their tours and things like that They do their They do their live, you know, the live fucking house shows that might only get two or three thousand people are in America To some of them not all of them But to some of them like I've seen in the past, you know Daniel Bryan headline in fucking SmackDown and it's three thousand people in Arena, you've got a rent that arena out You've got to pay all the staff to to fucking travel about and to take the ring and to put all the lights up and everything like that You've got you know, we've all seen the I mean, I know WrestleMania's a different beast But we've all seen the WrestleMania videos of them putting that shit together There's thousands of people that are putting that together What putting the stage in together in a stadium Stadium, all right fair enough not thousands But they're not having to pay that out. They're not having to pay travel for all that and get all the fucking vans going They're not having to pay for arenas where they're not even a quarter fill in them So that that'll be such a considerable amount of money that they're not currently paying for They're just renting out an arena for an arena. That's not doing anything So they can they can get as cheap as they want really because nobody else is using the arena because they can't So the whole like they're losing the gate money Yeah, they're losing the gate money, but they've still got that TV revenue and the TV revenue out trumps all of it Mm-hmm the network money like they've got fucking they've got like over 1.6 million people Subscrap paid subscribers to the network paying them either ten dollars a month or ten pounds a month Which is more than ten dollars? Yep So they're getting fucking millions a month just from the network and there's fuck all on the network You know all these paper views and shit when they just put a shit paper view out You've still got 1.6 million people that subscribe to it like a w's pay for you was considered a success And the only just broke a hundred thousand buys so that's the difference So the fact that they you know the crying crying hard up is bollocks Yeah, because they are making handover fist all these wrestling companies are stuck in one place and making bank because of the TV deal Yeah, well, they're definitely hit upon opportune moment to threaten their staff then Contractors should I say not the staff because they don't employ them well like they're chosen the right time to threaten all the contractors With legal action if they do third party shit and everyone's too frightened to leave because they're so don't know where their next jobs coming from It's a fucking nightmare Well, they're just greedy cunts and it's one of them because they're making fucking money the making bank You know for that earnings call and they said they're making record profits for the quarter It says everything and then the release it they're not just releasing wrestlers They're releasing people that work in their offices You know they released fucking about 50 was the last thing I saw whether just released 50 people Well, that's because they don't need them because they're not doing the traveling and not doing all that kind of stuff But it is just a petty cash grab or it's at first It started as a cash grab of you will give us a percentage and now that they realize that they can't do it You know they can't force people to give them a percentage But they can force them to stop so instead of thinking okay, well, you know It's lean of a girl page radio styles is doing a stream they could promote the pay-per-view if we treat them nicely They'll say guys, you know, I'm gonna be facing you know if you guys want to buy it or I'll tell you what everybody who's who Subscribed to my channel today gets you know 30% off in the store You know all this kind of shit which could increase their own revenue rather than seeing it like that I mean, maybe that was happening who knows so don't watch any of them But rather than going okay, we can't force them to give us money because if they could force me to give them money they would But we can force them to stop we can absolutely force them all to stop because and you can because everybody has so It's been the biggest kind of Obvious, you know sometimes you hear about WWE doing shady shit, but it's all very like covert It's not tangible.
This has been the most tangible story that I've heard about WWE where I've been like wow That's really bad. That's really quite bad actually where you won't employ them and give them all the benefits of being employed But you will You'll absolutely foot with them and you'll screw with them money to make even though they're a contractor to you You're essentially saying they can't make any money outside of you Yeah, cuz we know what we know how petty they are about you for things like you know the FTR them going after Like cat trays is like say yeah, and no flips just first which they lost But try trademark wrestlers things that it's great It's always money it is it's always nice because the whole Cody roads thing like I was reading into that and like you know He got asked on I think it was like a you know the media calls and put on just about it and he hit to get Cody roads Back he had to give him because he trademarked a load of when they started doing things like Halloween havoc and war games And all that kind of stuff that's technically dusty's intellectual property So we started I mean some of the ones like the listed loans and they're all shit Like they're all the thing names are absolutely crap, but he's given them back He said okay Well all the things I have license to because they were dusty's ideas You can have if you give me the name roads and that'll be that will be going on for years because he's not he's not an idiot He'll have been working out for years WWE trampol and in trampol and all this kind of stuff is like you know It would have started with just bash at the beach and then would account You know, but it's just we know I'll pet the art and I I hope it I mean it's the thing is like ww seems to be like scandal after scandal and they just get away with it every fucking time And I'm not saying any other wrestling company is totally clean because they're not but when what is it gonna take because You know when you've got like pedophiles and racists, you know working on your fucking on your show and yet people still watch it in the millions It's like what what would it take to really harm WWE like what is it gonna take is it gonna You know somebody killing somebody live on air on purpose with that derail it. I don't think it would you know Vince coming out as being like a fucking Mass murderer and he's killed all these people and like with that derail it who knows but you know, it's just it screams They're gonna sell the fucker. I think he's I don't know Right Next up I The next bit you did a survey for the Bw About a live story I did yeah, I got email to survey about we say parts ww Servals like I was fucking off to and it was about What would it take for you to come back and to be fair to them?
They'd actually thought Because I indicated I wouldn't be back to watch them in the next three to six months and they said you indicated You wouldn't why is that and you know to be fair to them? They did put the option off bad characters of bad writing and I did select those two options as my reason they wanted me to Go over that so I am I had the option of Essentially they wanted me to say I don't feel safe in the arena and I need more PPE from the arena staff To me to come back and once I come back I'll be back and I didn't I just said that you your character's a shit and you storytelling shit And then it went on it went on for fucking ages and it's like how much would you pay for a ticket to watch a live show and I said the maximum amount I would pay was twenty dollars So anything over that is is just a ripoff and they were like what's the max and get asking me about what's the max mean You pay before you got like anger. You're so weird. It's so weird It's like what would you pay you that what you felt it was fair?
What would you pay where you thought it was like a bit a bit over your limits? That was $20 $20 $20 $20 $20 that's it. That's all okay That's even even worth 20. No, I feel bad at the time I should have spot zero or ten or five because that would have really messed with their algorithms But yeah, what was interesting that I put in a big survey out there to people who bought tickets in the past obviously I'm on it because I've got the trouble package.
Yeah, so like it's asking because obviously what part of the US are you in? Yeah, I'm not in the fucking US dick What he put he says like I've got like a news ask always like assuming that WWE live events Will come into your local arena venue stadium, etc. Between January 2021 and March 2021 How likely would you how likely would you be to attend an event? That's that's literally one of the questions.
Yeah, it's just like You know, I just but not at all likely in all of them It's like not not because it's grim, but a lot of people still enjoy it So when it's safe to do so, it'd be great. So I do enjoy watching wrestling with the crowd I really enjoy a new Japan at the moment even though the old can't cheer so the clapping is even more pronounced Yeah, I thought it was really strange I'll just say in how much would you pay would you come back and all this kind of stuff when we're literally like a month and a half away from that And we're still we're wearing like a full lockdown again in America You know if Biden the rumors about Biden are true, you know, he's gonna put a lockdown in place Maybe for like, you know, whether the states Kind of follow it or not, you know, who knows It seems very weird for them. So even be thinking about going back to touring And obviously well, they just put the feelers out. I don't need to see where everyone's at I know I can't see it happening anything does happen.
It's gonna be it's gonna be a bit lame for a bit, you know It depends it depends about this whole like vaccine shit and roll of that I don't think they can roll a vaccine out that fast and all that jazz and it depends in America Obviously state by state there'll be some states where they can travel to and I'm sure they'll do live shows in those states that are a bit more Wax, yeah, they'll definitely do it's our Carolina from what we once tells me I'm sure they're ready Yeah, I'm willing to be to be there in Charleston or something because it seems to be no they don't seem to give a fuck No, but then you've got like California. I think they're a bit more asked. Yeah, cuz we know things like Messle Kingdom Even though it's over two days is limited to 20,000 today. They've got some sort of safety protocols in place Yeah, and it's sad, you know, it's sad that when you know you can think I possibly feel it But it just it just seemed really weird for me to be getting a whole same You know Will you come back basically and how how much would you pay for a ticket?
You know because you know, they're gonna use that and they're gonna price accordingly. Yeah, it's such a strange thing You know, how much would you be willing to pay? It's like I don't know really You're putting a show on how much do you want us to pay and then people decide whether or not they want to go Yeah, because like ringside seats to a house show like 200 quid I mean that's it's like who the fuck is spending that but people do because you know when we went and we got in on the day It was like he was about 18 pound a ticket for the back row or whatever he was All the lower tiers absolutely hammered. It's just the opposite of that was not full at all So how much are they those people paying for a house show?
Oh, I guess one of them in it. I'm speaking about a new Japan And it's not the main point of it And I saw a like a Tony Khan post Cheryl media call full gear kind of thing where we talked about new Japan and working with him And say it's kind of one-sided Which I would obviously love it to get some point But I don't want it to be like a fully fledged, you know I'd love to see some new Japan guys in AW. I'd love to see some AW guys on new Japan But I do think they need to keep each brand its own kind of thing because watching the arrow H A new Japan cross over event from New York the G1 supercard It was quite clear who that who that crowd was there to say and I'm sorry I don't wish but they were to see you know from the pops and everything like that I mean I've not seen the world title the ROH world title match because it was pinwheel it was doing it But none of the ROH guys were getting a reaction whereas every new Japan wrestler was getting a huge reaction So you know any kind of put like we're up for work with anybody would work with triple A in the past with the taxing titles Can you make your thinking still the AAA champion? I'm not too sure they said it on the CV They seem to be willing to work with anybody like impact on Calas was on the NWA So AW seem to be happy to work with anybody if it makes sense to them But what you did say is that they're gonna launch a new show in 2021?
I mean we said the needed one. Yeah, what night would you pick? Because it's tough in it I mean I said to you before that I would much prefer it to be a Tuesday Thursday jobbie. Yeah Yeah, because the thing is if dynamite stays on a Wednesday, it's got to be a Monday or a Friday Yeah, it's got to be you can't have it too consecutive nights So then you go in I'm going against raw and or smackdown.
That's just seems mental to me. It just seems so silly I would much rather be got out the way a WWE So all the all the news and rumors seem to be that NXT's gonna move night really yeah because I think he's the one losing Well, where would they go Tuesday or should I think a Tuesday or Thursday? Still though, then you've got like AW or what are they gonna do put it on Wednesday Thursday? I don't know I'm just I just think you need to have like a bit of a gap and right now the WWE owns three nights a week and even if they move NXT you're still left with consecutive nights So it's I find that a little bit tricky because at the moment I don't think I'd want to pit against either one at all because smackdown's doing gangbusters at the moment because of Roman Reigns And then obviously Rory's Raw and everyone chooses into that just because it's a bit of a mistake to Put them on those nights.
Yeah, I don't know. I'm totally with you. I would be really interested though Really? If AW came out and was like because obviously like in the US AW does okay, but it's internationally where they do really well Yeah, so I mean obviously you know, I've not seen any concrete numbers, but the Quite quick to say how well they do in Europe and the UK especially gets more viewers than WWE does But the reason why they get more viewers than WWE does guys who don't know the UK television thing is AW is on ITP which is free channel WWE is on BT Sport which is not a free channel.
That's true. So that's why they get more viewers. However, I'd be really interested, you know If they said head to head one night would you choose? See the thing is I don't want this to happen But I would be really excited if they said one day wow, okay Because the thing is and the reason why is because I think WWE and AW have different parameters for success now AW to start with was very quiet on the whole AW versus NXT thing, you know, you didn't really hear them You know going on about the ratings war until they were winning consistently for a long time And then they're like, you know the demo garden all like that But if they went on a Monday night and drew 750,000 it's a success Yeah, if you went on Friday night drew 750,000 it's a success So to jump in would you then switch dynamite to be that Monday or Friday because it's the established show I put the new show on say Wednesday Because putting a new show against those is a bit of a tall order I think unless they were really when really heavy on the fact that that new show was gonna be the flagship and dynamite was gonna be Become the second show because I think you've got to move dynamite to become your raw Well, dynamite is the raw so dynamite would have to be the Monday all the Friday I mean if you did a Monday night, you've got a dynamite is a Monday night and then your Wednesday's got to be that secondary show If it's dark, I don't know whatever they're gonna choose.
I presume it's not because I think I'll probably keep dark But like yeah, they'll keep dark on YouTube because it's a great it gets a couple of hundred thousand viewers, you know Depending on who's on it about unfortunately, but that's a great way of Getting your your enhancement talent Some time some TV time, you know, I'm a big I'm a big fan of dark I've not watched it for a few weeks, but you know dark is always a strong show. Yeah, because the wrestling is so strong You know, it's always their dark That's the cool thing because it is just there on YouTube and you know that if you've not seen anybody on dynamite for a bit You know, you can always knit back to dark You know, they're probably gonna be on there having a match. It's okay So I know I can check them out at least they're getting some matches again some action That's a little part of me because the thing is like when we were kind of going on about this was months ago the whole AW versus NXT thing I'm at the time. I was like, you know, get a matter Why why have NXT why do we decided to do NXT on TV on the Wednesday night?
Like it just doesn't make any sense like if you put it on an overnight You're gonna get double the viewers and all kind of stuff that is not the case is completely not you know And so we know for a while from like leaked Messages from USA Network saying that we need to take a EWR like that's Week But yes, so don't WWE with NXT Vince thought that NXT would put them out of business is the quorum Right so that again that again shows you the petty nature of it is that all All just because it's WWE brothers that's why Vince is distancing himself from NXT and basically fucked him off because they you know NXT was on survivor series and it was there coming out party and yes They did that to try and push it and promote it and everything like that and then stole some of the main talent so That was always the plan is for NXT to ruin a w's business because it's all I'd want to watch an XC No one's gonna watch this new brand even though it's got some pretty legit stars on it now when NXT and a w were going head to head I was like get him away from each other because you know there's plenty of room for everyone You know if you put an XC on Tuesday a w on Wednesday, they're both gonna take a massive bump in viewers They don't they don't so when they add those ones where they were where they weren't on the same night You know that or when NXT didn't have a show on the Wednesday or when a w didn't have a show on the Wednesday NXT went up by about 100,000 and a w went up by about 100,000 and that might be massive in the grand scheme of things But it just shows you that actually the people who saw 80% of people who watch NXT and watch a w won't watch the other show Do you think that's a bit of a red flag to a ball though for both wwe and a w is because they go oh actually I thought you're the same audience But actually there's a massive audience to win here because they seem to not be the same people you're watching because if you put them on Different nights you go right well surely they're gonna more get we're gonna get the same viewers But it seems to be like a different audience watching them So then if they actually there's people that we can win yeah, absolutely And that's if I was a w that'd be the way I'd be looking at it because you watch watch an XC you watch it because it's the better show It's the wrestling show is the more edgy show is you know people circular sawing net on their arms and you know I'd ban performances in crazy stipulations You know it is edgy whereas a w is wwe with high quality wrestling Whereas NXT is at the moment good quality wrestling and it's mad like they've got some really outlandish characters Which I really enjoy a love text allumas. I think he's fantastic. I've really come round to come and grimes Since the whole like you know it's coming in it comedic. He is on point.
He's a finished article You could go up to Raw and smack down right now and make everyone piss themselves I think yeah, I think he was on TNA. I think you can't I can't I don't know I can't remember Yeah, it's good quality in the ring and he's great on Mike And that's if you go call it in the ring and you've got a mic you can start cashing you checked right now Yeah, because mgf is fantastic quality on the mic Reasonable in the ring and he's money the guys absolutely money to me Adam Cole fantastic on my fantastic in the ring money pure money, so I'm gonna talk about me ring work in a minute But I don't think it's the same people watching like right now if I was to think right, okay if if a w move dynamite So Monday night, I think they'd get the same amount of viewers Yeah, I don't I don't think they would drop by enough so say this is a mistake And I don't think raw would be affected at all because I just don't think the same people I don't think people who watch raw watch dynamite the will be some crossover, but it won't be like, you know We're not talking because the thing is like a w's first show got 1.4 million The second show got 1.2 million and then and then it's where we're at now with eight hundreds and nine hundred thousand So people were obviously intrigued maybe people who watch wrong back down were intrigued by it But they swear, you know, it's a bit more bloody. There's bleeding butchering the blade in going all over the place So it's a different product. It's different people watching and you'll get some kids and stuff about but I do I do think people who watch because thing is like we're wrestling funds We've never watched Raw and Smackdown religiously Because we can't because we're up till fucking yeah, it's We'll be all daffacol.
We can't hold it easily either. No, we have to pay for fucking beat these four You can suck a dick like I'm not fucking paying 35 quid a month for you to give me one match And maybe the off chance of a county match being on from the national league no thanks, but the um The whole thing for me with it is I don't I don't think I think we'd be surprised by how much neither shows affected because T&T is its own beast Yeah, so that's why Shaq's involved and we'll come to Shaq in a sec But T&T is a massive TV station Khan says they've been working on a second show for months and when they're gonna debut it so T&T being the size they are And not gonna go into that and be like if somebody at T&T turns around and says we're going we're coming for Raw They're going for Raw and Khan's got Khan won't have us you know because that's the thing that and that's the problem sometimes We've been on a network Is you have to appease the? Advertisers hence about whole Halloween havoc shit with Geico like every five fucking minutes the guy's going about Geico It's like Jesus Christ, you know shut the fuck up about fucking Geico. No one cares In between Plexiglas banging I think it's just a one-man himself Can I just jump in a little bit here?
I think that wrestling is such a weird beast because it's not like NFL NBA it's not like the Premier League, you know We're talking about a show here and I do think that the the viewing figures that come out every week this is like Mac pitted against each other It's what it's kind of a weird moot point because Globally is where it's at. Absolutely and that is so little sport can say that and I know that if you talk about the Premier League It'll be streamed all over the fucking people will watch it Yeah, but because the Premier League is like Manchester United Arsenal and stuff It's got quite invested in it to care because you're talking about like certain cities and certain counties Where's wrestling is global nobody really cares no one's rooting for anyone So like the whole like keeping it in this like mad comparing it in this weird domestic way is bonkers I'd be much more interested. I know we'll never know I'd love to know not just the fucking global figures Which I love to know but I'd like to know the global deals I've got and where it's like to know is a WB shown in India right now I don't know because I know what we do we are very recently struck a deal with India Is it been showing child? Like where is it where is it going around works?
We're talking about global thing it's so reductive to have this mad ratings war Domestically because it's so much bigger than that so you know and I know it's a big deal in the US However, I'm sure for WWE just then for example if you add it up all of the talking Much much much much more than they're getting from their little deal on their channel I know it's a big bloody deal. Yeah, but it's like add it all together Yeah, it's it's so much bigger than that. Do you think like I mean I I you know would you agree with this? But do you think the domestic as in the American viewers say Raw say if it's like 2.5 million or something like that Would you reckon on a Monday night?
So it's gonna be live live is a bit tricky It's gonna be live. Do you think from the rest of the world? It's more than that 3.5 million I don't know will I have to be honest with you I don't know I think lives a bit a bit tough I think you were to talk about viewership of that show on everybody's Different because it because in the UK it's so difficult. It's one o'clock in the morning But people will watch it the record it watch it afterwards people will take it So if we're talking about a non-live you what are you?
Yeah, we didn't for it within 48 hours. Yes, so much recorded it. I think that global viewership will be massive Yeah, so good all of Australia as well. Oh, yeah, so I couldn't say I'm fucking loved wrestling and they'll obey you You know the UK we know a mental we know Germany's mental Germany's got a good deal for a good Italy Canada in all of this can't be a fucking place like it's something in WWE on It's yes, and that's wrong.
Oh, well those views Yeah, they're not counted early in this site. No, like and we're talking so much so many people around the world and we're all Paying attention to this mathematical light Twitter thing. He's watching this week. We're all extras We're all like these mad extras who they're not counting because they're all counting that's what that's the only fucking information about access to well interestingly enough so Italy dropped From sky sports sky sports Italy got dropped and then exactly signed a w literally like within a week of doing it And then I think we did some other deal with Italy I kind of thought what interests are looking at the pay-per-view buys so domestically full-gated about a hundred thousand I know what you're all thinking who have listened to the show for a while It's when I said like Kenny Omega versus Chris Jericho headline in the first pay-per-view in about a hundred thousand Bies I was like that's fucking awful and it is it's not great But it's a decent chunk of change for them But it's not good when you think of a piece of light, you know UFC getting nearly two million and all that kind of stuff and it maybe it is good Like I don't know I don't know how much pay-per-view buys w we were doing because you know while we've been doing the podcast It's been pride you know, it's been the network, but the network's got 1.6 million subscribers So it's weird, but so they said that domestically A.W.
Did a little a tiny bit worse like a couple of thousand worse than the last pay-per-view which was a shit show So so that's completely understandable, but internationally they did better internationally than they did Domestically now I know exactly why they've done better internationally than fucking domestically because poor said his legend or whatever he's swear Underlies now tweeted I've given a w $60 right on the fight network. It was $19.99 That's such a massive fucking difference and then on PS4. Yes. I've not been able to get one PS4 The it was that's when he quit yeah by a TV box office or whatever the fuck he was 20 pound.
Mm-hmm. That's like $25 You know you guys are paying more than double for that fucking thing. Yeah crazy So of course internationally it's gonna do better because if it was 60 quid I'd have fucked that off not in a million years Would I it's not working close to that? It's not fucking worse.
It's not a fucking worse 20 is my absolute WrestleMania if something because I remember back in the day with me and Gazz and waiting pink me It was a lot of we knew got up. I think we bought one on like virgin. Yeah, me was like 39 Probably Good. Yeah, I don't think it was I think it was WrestleMania because it was because we had issues like Virgin Media for some reason all that fucking issues and we had to get like it on My old shitty computer we had to get like a fake scream up to know what the fuck was going on because Virginia wasn't working And it was WrestleMania because it was the match that we kind of missed was Kane against Java Guerrero for the ECW title Where Kane came in from back jumps I'm doing one two three and that was it.
I'm pretty sure that was a WrestleMania But I have a few drinks we can't remember You might remember when we were holding me away a whole round of fucking laptop crap. You know PC That was still you probably start dialogue. Oh I was watching it on a video by the way video tape going round to the world's house watching it on a video tape I called it off child for I don't really remember. I just remember it being the heart and the hardies were there Kane was there I remember Trish was there.
I've got no idea I don't don't know the pricing don't that show tell you something about what they think about wrestling outside of their own country Because to me if I was like you know If you come up with like a pricing plan for a paper view because they might you know if they if they had half that let's say it's $30 for Americans what they have got 200,000 paper view buys that's the question because if they got 201,000 paper view guys Then it makes sense to have it to $30. I think it's down to the contract that signed with say for example the UK and I see the 5zb whatever it's down to the contract so they'll go right here We're gonna pay you this much money and the big news will be this much right after this much because we're paying you Whereas in the US it's a fucking free for all if they're gonna charge it and it's not TNT thing It's a AW thing. It's not going through a deal. It's just a w so you can charge what they like It's the time difference as well So because it starts at like one in the morning maybe but I do think they could charge more But I do think it's to do with the deal and I think it's more though Like I if it was 30 if it was $30 on the fight I don't mean I and then probably end up by me because AW has not creatively stung me yet They've stunned me with like the fucking horror show that was a lot of the last people's lives But that was that was unfortunate that was beyond their control.
Yeah, definitely. That's what I mean creatively Whereas where as WWE I won't give them 10 pound a month anymore because it's fucking garbage at the moment apart from Roman Reigns I've not even seen that because of that fucking referee. It's apparently talk. It's doing yeah gangbusters I know what like I've never been more happy to be proved wrong.
Did you see that little exchange by the way where it was? I didn't watch it. I just literally saw people quoting it on Twitter where Roman Reigns said oh, oh, I don't watch raw Pull him and went yeah, don't it's probably I just liked that I thought that was great. Well, that's exactly what you need Like that's a thing and they're you know, we all know what they like they put you know over their own product But I would not watch I can tell you a fucking thing that's happening on raw and interestingly enough because either foot cares about Randy or be the chump chump is boring That's why he's tagline is being out and get him get away himself But I on the on the old YouTube's on the YouTube's you guys can't see Andy flicking his wrist saying that's looking at his Well, you know, I'm like I drew my entire turn up on SmackDown so I'm like well You guys are fucking about raw now then well, but yeah I I with individuals and get very, very, very, hit up about individuals.
Yeah, well, we got into that when people were, so back in the day, because I've gotten a little bit more into Twitter recently, because we're talking about AW and new Japan and that kind of stuff where we can avoid this. But I'm sure AW as it's fair share of this, where people are fucking making their own, is what I'm willing to do, I don't really go into it, but just general like room 101 shit, fucking creating an account like where you're pretending to be someone else. Like if I was like, you know, if I had a kid, and they were like 14, 15, boy, oh girl. And they were like, oh, you know, you're on social media, what's going on?
It's like I've created a Dean Ambrose role play account, because it was RP, it kept seeing RP popping up. And like we were being followed by these accounts that RP was like, what the fuck is this? Why have they got a bit? Because obviously people can put pictures of their favourite wrestlers, as their profile pitch, you know, that's not the thing.
Like RP and I was like, what the fuck is RP? And then we looked into it and they're pretending to be that person. And they're like, you know, just, just. It's because it's before like, such an open-sick our door.
I mean, that takes it to the next level, because that's like our proper Dungeons and Dragons role play. They're not saying anything bad, they're not saying Dungeons and Dragons. What do you pretend it's being actual persons? What do you think it's like?
Well, that sort of stuff. Maybe that's a level down. Like when they're coming up with like stories, maybe that's a level down. The shit that I was seeing was like, hi guys, I've just been to a coffee shop, feeling really good today.
How about a re-tweet for your favourite wrestler question mark? And they've literally just taken the tweet, you know, for a photo from Instagram. They've literally just copied and pasted like Moxley with the Ambrose at the time with a coffee. And it's like, oh, I've just been here, just been there like properly pretending to be.
I think it'll be WWE. It creates a matter of fandom. And I would never just sort of say this if I hadn't witnessed it when I followed that hashtag a few times. And when I was looking at the Zelina Vegas stuff, and we're gonna come on to AEW, you know, and the woman who debuted on that.
And some of the comments on that, you know, were bad. And some of the ones are like, yes, queen. Well, it's cool, it's cool, support someone. And I'm not ever gonna rag on anyone.
But some of them go so far, like so far, where I can't even remember who it was actually. There was somebody who was a wrestler. And it was a woman obviously, because that's when you get the most fucking weirdos coming out of the world. Where it was like.
Oh, that, no, he was hurting. What's her? What's her name? Jade Kaheil.
Jade Kaheil, right? What car girl? Car girl, sorry. So Jade Kaheil, right.
She put her, she put a post up. And someone commented on this, Matt, and commented on me going, please, please tell me that you're not a lesbian. Please tell me you're not. And I'll do anything.
I'll do anything if you just tell me you're not a lesbian. Because I can't cope if you are. Because obviously- Who's a lesbian who's a wrestler? That's like, it's not either all lesbians.
But it's like, I think it probably came from the fact that she smacked Brandy on the bum. But it was like, please tell them to marry her. Oh my God. Oh my God.
People were piling on him going, what do you want about me? And they're like, blokes were going, mate, just leave it out. Like, what are you talking about? Let's get you to an room and let's see you fucking leave the live, mate.
Because it ain't you. Because that bitch will take your fucking neck home with her. I just don't believe it. The fandom is frightening.
It's so frightening. And anyone who's on Twitter will see it. Like, it's fucking scary. If you go, if you're feeling a little bit like delicate of the mind and you go down wrestling to it, it really doesn't make you feel great.
Because you just think, fuck, it's like full creeps. Weirdos. I'm talking men and women here. Like creeps, weirdos, or just trolls.
You're horrible. Like, absolutely horrible. That's Twitter in general. I know it's so grim.
It's like, why are we doing this? Why are we all doing this to each other? But then we get a gem like the Vinceman. I know.
Where is that from, bitch? I love it. Can I have a week, please? You can't even leave.
We'll move on to the next bit. So it's AEW signs Jade Kargill. There she is. So a multi-year deal.
There she is. Like debut. I'm back. So I thought this was an interesting thing to talk about.
Because again, it's a WWE territory, aren't it? AEW. Oh, celebrity guess. Now, apparently, I don't know who Jade Kargill is.
I've seen, again, Ragsheets stuff. Can you believe it? You fucking know. Well, apparently, the show's WWE tryout a few years ago and it didn't work.
She looks the part. You know, it's not a fucking... She ain't there for... The will try and pass her off maybe has been attractive.
But it's not like a fucking Ditzy blonde who's got a bunny mask on. Sorry, Ali. But you know, where you're not doing anything but standing around the ring. She looks like she can kill a motherfucker.
And that's exactly what I want. Now, the promo... See, this is a problem. But we always say it like, don't fucking...
Why are these scripts in them? They're all professionals. Now, I feel like they gave her an opportunity to kind of sell herself and it didn't go very well. The promo was awful.
I muted it a few times because I was like, oh, this is awful. This is actually... I don't have a good kind of... What's the word?
It's like a tolerance for cringe-worthy shit. There's loads of episodes and comedy shows that I watch around my eye. I can't watch this. You can watch The Office with me.
Oh, Christ, what's that? It's just cringe- people are making a feel of themselves obviously on purpose and they're only back atches. So, we're back with itching for this. However, I do think it's got a good potential.
Obviously, the thing that I think we think they're going for is Jade and Shaq against Cody and Brandy. Great story. Why not? Shaq's obviously got a T&C contract.
He was talking about WrestleMania, get your drink, get your drink out, chin chin. WrestleMania 33, he was supposed to face the pressure. I thought he was. I was going to ask you that.
Motherfucker, because he came out the Royal Rumble. Yeah, yeah. Shit, yeah. He was like, who's Shaq's going over much and I was freaking freaking out.
I wasn't sure whether it was... For some reason I had it in my head. It was like New York, WrestleMania time. But then I was like, it's like it's not hers.
I think they were talking about it again. Right. Yeah, it was ours. Yeah, yeah.
Because we were excited about that. You know, it was going to be an absolute shit show. Like, let's see Shaq in our show. Well, exactly.
We don't care about the fucking boy in our show. I'm fucking shit. So, yeah, I was basically saying that poor Jade. I mean, when it was the whole thing of like Cody's got a big announcement to make, it's a bit of a shit thing to throw, especially when she had no Shaq to come out and back up a clay.
He's been backstage. We saw him being the lead just up there. I know, I know, I know. Talk about a spoiler.
Hey, Shaq, are we doing it now, mate? Like that was ridiculous. But yeah, I think she had a really tough job. She did have a soft job.
She pulled it back when she said the F word and he got bleeped. That was good. Oh, that looks like this video doesn't have to be in. But I wanted to...
Brandy. Brandy reaction. I think I've gotten a little more. Oh, yeah.
It was pretty good. Christ, it was great. It was... Oh, yeah, we got...
You're straight. We're straight in. We're straight in. I'm going to pause it.
I hope this is right for everyone listening, but Christ did I laugh when she said this? Yes. I was well into this. As soon as she came out and said that, I was like, fucking, let's go now.
Hello, it's really good. Oh, what a great line. It was great. It was really, really, really good that bit.
And people were saying, oh, Brandy's just buried her. It's like, well, what the fuck? You can't win. You just can't win because what...
The thing, the only criticism I have of that promo is that it was far too long. Yeah. It was far too long. She should have said, when he said, what can I do for you?
She goes, it's time to say, oh, what can I do for you? Can I do for you kind of thing? It's a bit flier and you're like, you know Brandy's coming out. She's not having this shit.
She just went over so long. It was so like, oh, trying to be a bit mysterious and I thought, there's this giant. It should have just been like massively quick. She should have come up interrupted him.
Done maybe so flirty little thing with him, talked about the giant. That's it. Because when she said about, you know, like you face giants and stuff, I was like, when has he ever said that? I mean, he lost a dog.
He lost a dog. But I think she had a few things to hear. I took her a while to get there. Yeah.
It was very hard and she's not done it before. And you've got to give people the benefit of the doubt. And you've got somebody there who like, when you're talking about, when people are talking about a bad promo, fuck me, guys. I've seen- Oh, the list is long.
The AEW list is long. The WWE list is longer. Those motherfuckers have got it on a piece of paper. And sometimes you even see them holding the fucking paper.
Heavy machinery guy. Right. I think that I think she had to want to do it. It was far too long.
And it was a very hard spot because they were big and it was like, oh, Cody's got an announcement to make. Yeah. And Cody never made the announcement. Well, he kind of did.
So he said he wanted to face MGF. Oh, yeah. That was the last that he wanted to erase from his record. And then she came out, you know, giving it the guy, you know, giant killing the real giant killing his shark.
And then we got- Yes! Love it. Let's fucking go. Yeah, it's great.
It was great. And then she spanked her on the ass to take the piss out of her home kisses. It was great. Well, the spank on the ass bit, I feel like, was a bit awkward.
Did you? I didn't. I thought it was antagonistic as fuck. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Because it's like she's taking the piss out of her. Because Brandi's angry and she just diminishes it by spanking her on the ass making it joke.
So it's like, it's so antagonistic that, like, if that happens to you and you were mad as such a gummy ass, you go fucking rip your eyeballs out. So it's like it just builds a bit of anger. The only criticism is her promo was far too long. It should have just said this, this and this.
Yeah, and do it. And then Brandi's coming out. Don't worry, Brandi's going to come out and sort of save you. And Brandi maybe should have come out a little bit earlier when she started to flounder.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, it didn't, I think it should have been a call there to send the man, send the brandy. Send her out. Like, send her out.
Like, because it was going on too long. I mean, this video about, so Brandi explodes on Jade is three minutes, ten seconds long. Right, yeah. So this is longer than itself.
She's giving us tons of shit here. So maybe that's why you'll hold very, I know. I think you needed to. Brand cage comes in.
So she's just slaps on the ass. You needed to have, you needed to have Shaq at that point. I think Shaq needed to be there because we don't know who she is. She's been on the sidelines for a couple of weeks by all accounts.
I've not noticed her because I won't notice anyone. Who's been on the crowd? No, no, she's been in the crowd for the last couple of weeks. Okay.
It's like part of the crowd watching. Just part of the crowd watching. So like, I think that to really back up what she's saying, I think he should have been there. Because I think it's a little bit, everyone knows what she's talking about.
I think to save the day a little bit, you know, he should have come out and then maybe Brandi should have come out and he maybe should have retreated back and done the fucking eyeballs to Cody and then that they should have got exchanged. And then there's the attack. So there's a lot of things. We're talking about like, we nitpicking.
We're nitpicking massively. Everybody was slagging her off, isn't it picking? Because somebody like her walking out on WWE and delivering that promo, that is a WWE style winning promo. Well, they would have scripted it within an inch of his life.
But she still would have had the awkward silences and it would have been delivered awkwardly. Maybe. Like if she wasn't experienced. Like it was, I do think it was scripted.
I think she was following a script. I just think, yeah, I do. I don't think she was going to knock me out on the fly. No, I mean, the feeling I get from AEW is the given points and points to get to.
Yeah. So I mean, there's a massive difference between going over something in the back and then going on TV and doing it with a live crowd as well. Because like there was a live crowd there. You know, it may have, if there was no crowd, if this was like two months ago or whatever, she might have had a bit more about or with that.
It was awful. We can't, we can't fucking just. I think, you know, it was just just a sort of like doing oversight of it as well is that I found the message in slightly confused. She came on as though she was going to say, remember that weekend in Vegas, Cody?
Well, we got, it was so the foot and she was going to see it. It was a bit weird. It was like, I feel like it was this. Is this some white person from his past?
It was a bit bizarre. I wasn't quite sure. It was a bit sexual. She grabbed his tie.
I don't quite know what's happening. It wasn't very threatening. I don't think she was delivering it in the most. It was delivered in a bit of a slinky foot.
Yeah. And then she sort of backed off and started being. And then she said, like, that's the only big part. No big part of you.
It was, she says, I thought that was quite good. Yeah, it was great. I was like, oh, we in some way storyline here where we shot some girl like. Maybe that's where it's going.
Christ. But because it was superbly delivered, we don't know where it's going. Yeah, it's a shame. It's a shame.
I feel bad for a road. I do. I feel sorry because I think the drops are in. They've dropped some of the end of the deep end there and just prayed.
You know, obviously backstage and was like, oh, yeah, you can do this. This is what you're saying and all this kind of stuff. And she's kind of got up there as a bit of a deer in headlights. But what about then?
I'd say, if you need any not to crash in the Christmas, you're fucking crunch then nuts. Well, I said to you, you can imagine somebody like that, but you know, legitimate challenge. I mean, you know, it's kind of what's the word. When we talk about guys that are like muslims, fucking and things, loves them.
And we're like, well, because of the sport, it's kind of being a bit hypocritical. But too, but that physique is so rare. Whereas the tenor penny for the dudes, because they're all shooting their asses up to fucking hi heaven. But if she goes again and she can wrestle, maybe, who knows?
She did a trial for WED work. Has she been in the wrestling, who knows? But if she picks up Nia Rose, Nia Rose, Nia Rose, that's what I was fucking oxymoron. Oh, you know, if she gets released because she keeps in dream fuckers apparently.
So yeah, apparently it was it this week. She injured. I can't remember. I remember seeing the article was like Nia Jax is added again.
No, just laugh removed on. But imagine if she goes against Rose and suplexes her or some shit. Because anybody could have done it because she was like, she was like, she's like super like in her and all that kind of stuff. And she did the falcon arrow from the top row.
But imagine if she picks her up like in a suplex and holds her there for a bit of the crowd reaction. What I quite liked about this as well was later on where it was, is it Red Velvet? Red Velvet came out and she did a like story thing. And Brandi wasn't joining because she's so perplexed.
And she's like, looking at her like, come on, come on mate. It's just doesn't. I like that. I like the whole like it's in a red.
Keep it going. It's in a red sort of shit. I must say that I never used to be but I love a bit of a mixed tag. I just think it's really entertaining.
It's amazing mixed tags over the years. It's where Cody should be going. I'm glad. Because when he lost the TNC title I was like, fuck me.
Is he going to go for the main one? Is it going to be? There's too many people. The Cody tag over it.
Yeah, I know it's. And I did kind of like that like work around. But you should really be there. You should be doing something else.
You're like, you're the puppeteer of this company. Really. You're one of them. So you should be doing something else.
And those matches, you know, if it's shackened her. Get a cargate. Those are the matches that you're live for. Because they're the fun ones.
The crowd will look forward to that. Absolutely. The great upper night perfectly. And she'll beat the shit out of Cody.
No doubt. It'll be like a ronda situation. Yeah. If you're thinking recently, Ronda and Kurt Angle against Triple H and Stephanie were a fucking master club.
It was great. I was introduced in somebody. The fact that she was technically competent, she wasn't. I'm sure she was doing it for months.
Well, when you think about Kurt Angle didn't get a look in that match. If you think about it, not he did. But when you think about your own memories of that match. I remember.
Ronda Triple H and Stephanie, I don't remember Kurt Angle. And that's mental because it's Kurt Angle. Like, he shouldn't forget somebody. But he was there to put somebody over and help someone.
Absolutely. And that's what Cody should be doing with his career. He should be putting people over. That's the whole thing that Jericho says.
But I don't think Jericho's quite there. I don't think he's quite in a, in a place in his psychological life where he's ready to be totally ready to put someone over. Because I still think he wants to be the superstar who emerges from it at the end to his own teachers. So I don't think he says the right things, Jericho.
But I still think that he's coming up. He's coming up with his sign-ups as a fucking spinning. Or like, you know, like, what's the word? Sign-ups as a whatever.
You're on firing. I still think he's coming up with his latest brand and his new shit. Whereas I think he needs to probably start to chill out a little bit now. Because even the fact that he's been beat by MGF, he's been beat by Orange Cassidy, it's still all about Jericho.
Of course. Well, interestingly over here, he says that Cargill's been trained by QT Marshall, who's with Dustin Rhodes, the one who's at least credit card maxed out. And also he's later. So she has been trained.
She's not just been plucked out of bodybuilding or whatever it is. Maybe she has. Well, like I'm interested with it. You know, we've been saying for a while that the women's division has been blacking.
And they've got, I think they've got another NWA title match on Dynamite this week. From the Rose's sign, she's George Acken on Twitter with Britt Baker. It's going in the right direction. Yeah.
Just, you know, like, if we can bolster it, say, where are you? Like, I'm fucking... We can bolster it. I sound like I'm on a fucking football podcast talking about my team.
If we can sort out, sort out of the defence. Sort of defence. Did you see that? No, this is like really off top.
Did you see the video that was watching with the United fan? No. Who like, he's the funniest guy. Like, with a letting go.
And he's like, bloody hell. Bloody hell. There are bloody jokes. He looks about 25 or something.
But he doesn't, he doesn't, like, I've not heard him swear properly. But he's like, oh my God, he's a bloody nightmare. The bloody joke. Like, it's so funny.
The passion football. It's so hilarious. Crackers in it. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to this.
It's obviously Shaq. I'm a massive fan of, you know, he could do tons of things wrong. Probably still be there with him. You were saying before, actually, about how you'd come to it about the TNT thing with Shaq?
Yeah, because Shaq's all inside the NBA. So he's got a TNT deal. So he was supposed to be facing a big show and all that, because that fell through. I wonder if the reason why it fell through is because of the TNT TV thing where he knows.
But the NBA has been really good with AW. I was watching some of the playoff games where, you know, they're drawing the game. They were saying, you know, Wednesday night on TNT, guys. We've got some dynamite.
You like your pro wrestling. We've got Kenny Omega. We've got John Moxley and all this kind of shit. And not like remotely taking the piss, which is what I've seen from other things when they've been promoting WWE.
You know, they have the looters or on the virtual crowd during the playoff game and jungle boy and all that kind of shit. So it seems like TNT and TNT are quite excited by what they've got because of all the noise that it's making. And the fact that, you know, TNT, because it's to me, like NBA on TNT is like one of the big channels because it's got inside the NBA with Shaq and Johnny Johnson and Charles Barkley and Kenny Smith. That's the show.
You know, Shaq and Furl and stuff. We've been watching Shaq and Furl for years. And that's always been like the main, you know, other than kind of ESPN's like Max Kellermann and that other guy who shouts all the time. Steven A, Steven, what's his name?
Steven something? Steven A. Steven A. I don't know what he's...
No, I don't know. That's what he's talking about in that minute. I don't know. But yeah, but yeah, with those guys just shouting at each other, it's just more like a punditry type thing.
Do you think that her coming out, a character coming out and saying what she said, do you think that everyone would have been thinking Shaq anyway? How do you not been on being an athlete? I wouldn't have been. I wouldn't have been thinking Shaq when she turned up.
When she started talking about giants, I was thinking about when the fuck is he ever said anything about being a giant? Because everyone was like, oh, we could see this Shaq thing coming. Is it because of being the elite or is it because people have just deduced that? Well, she came out.
As soon as she started talking about giants, you smart-ass fans are going to say, well, she's talking about Shaq straight away because of giants. I wouldn't have thought. Did she even say the word Shaq? Never.
She didn't even say Shaq. Unless I remember it really wrongly because we were watching it going, oh, it's the Shaq thing. See, and then we don't think she said anything. The YouTube quote from the title of the video is quote, and it's the giant is the real star Shaq.
Okay, maybe she did that and we just missed it. Well, I did keep me unique. Maybe she'd watch it. Can we do that to watch it?
Yeah. But yeah, I mean, it's tough because when you kind of get into this territory, because we kind of said, it's WWE-type stuff by the guest celebrity in. But what I forget is WWE built its brand by doing this from WrestleMania One all the way up to the most recent decent one other than Ronda because she became like a full-time wrestler was Floyd Mayweather. That was fantastic.
He broke fucking big shows, knows legitimately and Shane doing that interview was like, I was legitimately there to stop him from killing Floyd. And then the match was okay. It was fine. You know, hitting with the brass knocked wins, fair enough.
But those sort of things get you. Well, I mean, if you're missing the Tyson thing, which you hinted at and you literally put on there as a potential match, then it's gone. Like, that's over. He's actually training to have a match.
Then I suppose you want to scramble about to see if you can fill that gap in a way, because that was Jericho's plan. Yeah, I'm sure that's still in the works. Yeah, and he will come back. He'll come back, but we're talking like next year now.