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Today's question was posted in one of our amazing affiliate groups in the mental BDSM group by Ms. Angel, and she writes, can narcissist be subs? She says she is conflicted because all of her fantasies are her revolving around being submissive and being a sub. But she also has narcissistic personality disorder and panic disorders.
She's worried that her MPD will make her expectations too high and fears that switching mid-scene will ruin her experience. Some of the things I had to discuss on this is, I got the impression that she hasn't tried it yet. That's what I thought too. And that would be my first suggestion.
Just throw it in there. Jump on in, can always be great. Can I just give the fun answer? Is that as a somewhat narcissistic person who is submissive?
No. Not only can we be submissive, we are the best submissive. Aw, explain how that works, please. That was a joke answer.
It's actually not really that big a joke. I know plenty of submissives who are a little narcissistic. But there's also nothing wrong with that. Knowing that you are the best submissive that you can be, that's great.
There's also a sense of being able to temper that need of always being about yourself by giving it to someone else, by being submissive and by being in service. You know that you're very self-centered. You can push some of that off by being like, OK, now this is not about me. This is about my top or my down or whatever.
So that's something that I kind of notice that do sometimes. So you're narcissistically doing that. You're like, I'm the best. Because you said I'm the best submissive.
Whenever you say I'm the best at anything and don't allow somebody else's opinion to be incorporated into that, it really is just narcissism. It's like the person who said, I give the greatest blow job in the world. I also said that was a joke. OK, no, no, no.
I'm just saying this is what my opinion is. I'm not commenting just on you. No, I mean, there is something else that we said. She had in her post said, oh, because of my narcissistic personality disorder, I should automatically be a dom.
And I'm just like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I feel like maybe you need to take a step back and redefine what a dominant and what a submissive is. Because one of my other key points that I had an issue with was during her questioning, she wrote that her fear was that if she, because the narcissism gives her over self-inflated confidence, and she wrote myself confidence and self-works, she back up. And the abuse would anger me.
And I'm like, first of all, are you saying that submissive shouldn't have self-worth or self-confidence? No, no, no, no. What abuse is she talking about? Is she talking about a prior abuse that she had?
No, she was talking about submitting. So submitting. Well, I'm just referring to submission as a form of self-abuse. I would question, what does she act?
And we don't have her here, so we can't really ask her, what did you mean by that? In general, it sounds a little shaky. I have to say that, Abiz and I talk about this. And frankly, for me, in life, I am much more dominant.
So it takes effort for me to push myself into submissive space. I don't do it with everybody, and it's not easy to do. So when I'm being submissive, it's a very specific state of mind. If mid-scene, which unfortunately has happened for me, has slipped sideways for me, if mid-scene, I switch back to dominant mode, whatever the other person is doing feels like abuse to me.
If I stay there and they continue to do it, and I would, which of course I would, and I would stop it, and I did. But I can kind of understand what she's saying. It posed some very intriguing questions. If she is, in fact, diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder, because you know how a lot of us say it.
Well, I'm OCD, and we're not really. If she really is diagnosed with that, she's got quite a dilemma there. But my suggestion would be the same as Abiz, just dive in and see what happens. I mean, wouldn't that come back to communicating with your partner and saying, hey, I have this, just like you would communicate with your partner and say, hey, if I go sideways on this, and narcissism starts coming back up, obviously, the scene is going to change course, which is part of the organic nature of a scene anyway.
So if you have somebody that you have prepped for that, then wouldn't it make sense that, well, if it goes sideways, it goes sideways. Every scene can go sideways. Doesn't matter what your disorder or anything is. I think she was just asking for advice.
She was putting all these questions out there and seeing what people said before she actually went into it. I'd say communicate more with the top. And if it goes bad, it goes bad. And then talk about it afterwards and see where it went bad.
And if you can get yourself into that space to where you could let go. Yeah, I think so. There's just so many of us that are afraid, or at least I am, and some people that I've talked to at my friend close friends, are afraid of what happens when shit like this goes on. But if you are with a stable person, a reasonable person, and you yourself are reasonable, there is nothing you can't come back from.
So there's really not that much to be afraid of, because you just, you talk it out. It's not supposed to be perfect from the beginning. You move on. You learn what you can.
And that's an unbelievably valuable experience when something goes wrong, because you learn so much. And then the next scene is even better. Or we just contact the dom and tell them to use a ball gag on her. And then fuck your narcissism.
I didn't hear a goddamn thing. Changer down, ball gaggle now. It's a win-win. Now you're submissive.
Or is that rape? No, I'm sorry. No? So wrong.
If they negotiate that? What? No? Play rape?
No? What? That's assault. OK.
But I'll let you have that one. Go ahead. So our next topic here is from another of our failures. I knew one called Pet Palace.
It's by Maps Dena Deer. This time I asked him for that. We'll just call him Maps for short. He wrote a thread called Why and Half.
He said, a friend asked him why he was into Pet Play and what Pet Players actually do. And I found his answers intriguing. For instance, he said Pet Play is about warmth, affection, and escapism. He loves the comfort of a gentle hand on him, the feeling of togetherness and belonging that sitting by someone's side can grant him.
He loves the escape from responsibility. He loves it when his beloved holds him and pets him to scare away his demons. If I didn't know he was talking about Pet Play, I could easily believe that he was describing being a submissive. Yes.
I was going to be. I know. So obviously the two- Check. Submission and Pet Play have a lot in common.
But I wanted to ask all of you, first of all, you've ever done any kind of Pet Play on either side. And how close it is to submission? Meow Meow Meow. She's going to answer the entire question in case.
Meow Meow Meow. Yes. And after our first time that we did that, we found that there were some things that we needed to discuss. Were you in a disc?
Yes, absolutely. Meow Meow Meow. No. And there was something that we brought in a collar.
And then once the collar came in, then it was really about the collar. And what was it? Meow Meow Meow. The treats, right.
I'm not going to forget the treats. That's the important part. And so we put down a dish of melting ice cream. Meow Meow Meow.
Yes, it was very cold. And no, I did not put it on the tip of my dick. That was later. Because we didn't want to confuse the two plays.
Meow Meow. No, I'm not going to tell him that. Meow Meow. OK, well, that was definitely kind of OK.
Maybe our pet play kind of crossed the boundaries of sexual and what. I wanted you to do this for a long time. So yeah, no, we have done Pet Play. I've done Pet Play with other people.
It's really, I mean, you can say it's like this or it's like that, but it really is just such a wonderful. Because it's really kind of submissive. You're still dealing with a human. And when you're dealing with Pet Play, some of the people really allow themselves to go to a space where literally a part of their brain entrances them.
And you cannot communicate like them. They will look at you confused. And when you talk to them, they will say, at that point, I heard you saying things, but I didn't get it. So I think it's on varying levels.
Abyss and I do it the cute way. The cute way. Everything of this does is the cute way. Well, thanks.
For me, Pet Play is about finding animal characteristics that you identify with. For me, it's kitty and the kitty. Because kitties are when they want pets, they come to you. But they'll still claw your face off if you annoy them.
So do. My description, I understand why you thought it was very close to submission. And in some ways, it is. But it's also very different.
For me, it's submitting to myself. It's going to that kitty place. It's going and releasing myself to be that animal. But say your animal is a snake.
It's not really going to be all that. I'm submissive. Yeah. See?
I told you, I couldn't do that. But if you say someone's a puppy, puppies are very just a puppy by nature is energetic. And it's a people pleaser. So puppies are people pleasers.
They really want their attention from their master. They really want to throw the ball. I'm a good puppy on this. And generally, high energy.
And it's one of those. But say someone is a kitty. And kitties are like, you can pet my tummy. You get three pets.
And then I become kitty bear trapping. Call your hands. So. Yeah, you just blew my mind.
You submit to yourself. That's very cool. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Good job of this. I've never done a facial pet play. I've been on a collar and leash and let around and stuff.
But it was more submission. It was more like this is a position I'm putting you in and crawl around. I've never really been an animal. No role playing as an animal.
Not really. I mean, once in a while, I'll get all cuddly and rub my head on someone or something. But that's just me trying to get attention. That's still that's still phy.
Got it. Be the person. Yeah. I've never let my puppy out very much with anybody that I really trust right now.
So you mean you have? I have one. You have one. Oh, I didn't know you had one.
I knew you. Yeah. I just growls and nips and bites. But I've never let her out longer.
That's nice. But it's not submissive for me at all. When I was reading his, I thought that sounds exactly like submission to me. But my puppy, not submissive.
The frisky, rowdy, just loves to. I suddenly want to get a rope toy for you. Wow. You're not getting it back.
But I do act as the handler for a friend of mine, who he is a puppy. And he does very much what you were mentioning earlier. He goes into an altered state of mind, where he's gone. He's completely gone.
When he comes out of it, he cannot really remember what went on. He remembers bits and pieces. And so that has nothing to do with submission either. So it's just it's clear to me from listening to all of you and from reading his posts that really pet play can be so, I mean, it runs the spectrum.
Absolutely. I mean, anywhere from just fun to really that serious place where people need to go. I mean, there's this one puppy that I played with. And man, that was just a part of her.
She had to have that part of her just express itself. And I'll admit, when I was some of the times I've done, I've had dogs. So I know how to scratch the head and play with toys and stuff. But this was another level to where I really had to admit.
I can be playful as a handler for maybe a half hour. And then I'm like, OK, I need you back. And actually, it was like, I didn't know how to get her back. Because she really went.
Like you were saying with yours, were they going to that altered state. And so afterwards, it had to be a real kid. Look, a real kid. You're the cat just in.
Oh, cats all like, what the fuck are you guys doing here? And walked in and then walked out. I think you were talking about Cat play. Cat pee?
I just scored it in all your purses. So how about that there? Take ours. It's bad enough for being a cat.
But no. And when I asked her, how do you come out of it, she said, well, the way to take me out is you have to open my paw. So you would grab her by the pond, say, OK, I need so-and-so her name back, and then open her paw. And then she would kind of come back to her humans by.
So that's amazing, then. And it's not surprising that he would be confused when somebody asks him what's pet played out. That's the loaded question. And it's probably the most misunderstood place that you can do in my opinion.
Which is why I'm glad we have pet pallets. There's an affiliate that's ex-playing these things that I have no clue of. That is awesome. Cool.
So we saw pet play. You know they have puppy days at the park. They have actual fox and hound hunts. And then of course, you get into pony play and horse play and stuff like that.
It's actually really cool. I saw some pictures from it. And I know a couple people who do the pony play. And they really get into it.
And they do the carts. And they have the person run behind them. And it's really neat. That's awesome.
What was the topic we talked about before? Was that from a group? Yeah, it was from a mental ADSM. OK, I just wanted to make sure we mentioned.
Oh yeah, she mentioned it. OK, good. You obviously weren't listening, Boogie. Sorry, I'm a dick.
I just want to make sure this is I'm excited about having the two sources. What did you say? Yeah. Mogging about the creepers on her face.
And how she needs to get laid. The on fee. Fee love and the penis. So up first is the OK.
Have you ever been in a situation where it's not exactly appropriate to get turned on and you get kind of turned on? Like junior high school? So recently I went from my annual physical exam. And so she was asking me a bunch of questions about my health and this and that.
And then she went to do the breast exam. And she was patting around my breast and at the very end she had this little nipple pinching. I just kind of got all like, ooh, that felt good. What the fuck was she pitching your nipples for?
It's part of a chest for discharge. That's an actual thing. OK. I thought you were going to make up some shit.
I'm like, no. Nurse has just made that up in here. You're going to free titty twister out of him. I'm just checking for oil.
I have to go back for the other part of the exam. And two weeks I hope she does it again. Oh my god. So can you check my for discharge while you play with my hula?
But I was just wondering if you ever have any situations where you're like, oh, something just turned you on. And that's not the time or place. Yeah. That's what I said.
Junior High. And I don't mean by saying junior high, the fucking subway idiot that just got put in prison for child molestation who talked about being turned on by junior high school. I'm talking about being in junior high. And you get when you first start getting erections as a kid.
And you just get like random boners. And you're sitting there and they're talking about nothing. And you're there. And then that fear that they're going to call you.
You got a boner. I had a lady boner for my 10th grade chemistry teacher. He had some really buff arms. And so he'd write on the chalkboard.
And his arms would be all buffed out. And I'd be like, oh, crap. I never paid attention to chemistry. But I paid attention to him.
She's awesome. You guys any ladies? What? Oh.
In appropriate? No, I got more in appropriate. I got tons of inappropriate shit. I want everyone, Kathy, if you ever had an internship.
I actually don't have that many of the only ones that I have surrounding watching TV or movies with family and getting turned on. Yes. I remember I was watching. I was young, like too young.
I was watching Purple Rain, the Prince movie. Oh, yeah. And so there was a scene on a motorcycle. And there were boobs involved.
I remember my parents threw a crochet blanket over my head. Because I was too young to actually be watching this movie at that time. But it's a crochet blanket. I remember watching it like, oh my god, that's awesome.
Yeah. As far as the movie thing, I wouldn't saw quills. And if anyone who doesn't know, it's about the Marquis de Sade with my mother. Oh, no.
We went in a little blind on that one. And I'm like, looking at it again. Oh, oh. Oh.
Do you like the cardboard box? And you place it between you two and you're all right. You jerk off on that side. I'll jerk off on this side.
But we're not really gay because we're not. There's a box in between us. Did you do that with your mom? No, I did not.
No. OK. No. Just you.
That might have been inappropriate. Well, my mom was never down for that. She was always just a whore. There was a TMG.
She had just recently had her first experience with the Violet One in Electric Play. And she was just watching the Amazing Spider-Man 2 or whatever. And there's the Electro character. And she texted me.
She's like, oh my god. I just got inappropriately turned on about a superhero movie. It was so dirty. It was awesome.
I was eight. And I used to try to peek at my grandmother, taking off her bra after we go swimming. It's true. What?
What? I'm laying there. I'm like eight. And I'm like, laying there.
I'm like pretending to be a slave. And she's like, all right. I'm going to change now. And I guess it was cool to do that in the bathroom.
But she always did it in a way to where I never saw Grandma Boob. It was just I saw the bra coming off and I was like, oh, wow, those are poops. And then like, and like it never happened. And so what?
That's wrong? Yes, but why is that wrong? It's not like I fucking said, hey, baby, you know, when you're tired of that old dude over there, you know, why don't you come get a nice young buck? What is with the older ladies and you?
What? Having fantasies about older women? That's because I like women. And some women are older.
Therefore, I like them, some of them. No, there's some. I mean, I didn't have a really close family. I mean, other than my grandmother.
So so I don't really relate to all those taboos and stuff. So when I see, I don't know, there's times where it's kind of exciting the thought of a much older woman. And then there's the perversion of really old women. And I don't know.
I'm like being there's five chicks in this room right now staring at me just talking about the creeper shit that goes on in my head. And I'm like, yeah, so sometimes old lady take out your dentures. Give me a little gummy. Give me a little gummy there.
I'm a lamb dang dong. So Kathy, any any inappropriate things on your end? Just the whole movie. Yeah, I can remember being a kid.
And I was watching it was either Adam 12 or SWAT because I'm that old and I'm just about to have a little lunch bail. Oh, I thought a little bit. Oh, I shouldn't say. Well, they don't listen at work.
It's OK. There was this one time we had this but this bowling work. Everybody had to like team building thing. We all went bowling and there was this one kid at work who's not a kid.
He's 20 young 20s and he he did this thing and I'd never paid attention to him before. But he threw the ball, whatever you do with bowling hit a strike and then turned around and like Fabio here his hair just like swished behind him and I was like, oh shit, when did he get hot? You know, I will say I will say one thing I realize I've done since I was like, I don't know, 12. And that's I always will look at a dude's crotch.
It doesn't matter who it is. Yeah, standing up now. Down you. I've seen your entire world has not seen his crotch.
No, but seriously, and it's even awkward because it's like people are like, I did not want to look at their crotch and you have to look at their fucking crotch. Why did I do that? So Kathy, Adam 12. Yeah, before you got cut off.
Oh, you're talking about it. It was an episode where two police officers in uniform got kidnapped, hog tied, lied face down on a couch with their heads facing each other and then they're whispering to each other about how they're going to escape. That's not inappropriate. That's perfect.
Uniform. Why was there family around or something? You just felt that you should always look at it more. Yeah, oh my god.
Family room watching this and I'm just my mouth. My jaw just dropped. Guys in uniform tied up. I love bisexual men.
I think it all my uniform thing, my hog-typing and my bisexual men thing just I think started that day. With Adam 12. Adam 12. How you going to do?
Get or not? All right. Next topic. This is me asking you all for advice.
I need advice. So spinning, you know that thing when your head starts thinking too much about things and you can't stop it and what happens, what do you do, what are methods that you can use to stop the spinning when you can't reach out to the person who's involved in the spinning. I had an issue with someone but I couldn't make a connection with them to be able to talk about it. I was going a little crazy in my head and unable to stop it and things got a lot of control and I almost lost some friendships over it.
So how do you stop it? I did not have some interpersonal interpersonals. I kind of had a panic attack. I guess more like an anxiety attack a little bit.
Afterwards went numb. But I was at work. It was not an appropriate time for me to go numb. Yeah, Danix would have helped if I had any but I didn't.
I wouldn't really have had this issue for me because I would never have gone to the person that I was having the issue with. I would have stepped back and taken a lot of time to figure out what was going on in my head. It's probably the worst time for me to approach the person I'm having the issue with is when I'm right in the middle of it. I would have to back off and get some distance and unravel what's going on in my head.
That's my advice. Well, I'll take a different route. I mean I definitely had some pretty epic spin outs. If I hadn't sat down with the person that we obviously waited until we were alone or whatever.
The person was very open to just sit and see where I was feeling. But if I hadn't talked it out, I'm not sure how it would have gone after. Some of the other stuff was deep breathing. I'm starting to take more of a Cathy's dance on some of it.
If you can step back and go, okay, what am I spending about? Where am I coming from this? What are the key points of why I'm freaking the fuck out? You can examine them individually.
And then you can kind of breathe through it, work through each one. And to be perfectly blunt, there's absolutely nothing wrong with going down. Sometimes you have to. Okay.
You have to sometimes. I agree. Yeah. As somebody who has spent a considerable amount of decades spinning depressed anxiety and drug alcohol fueled everything and whatever.
I'm very familiar with spinning and I'm very familiar with all of the symptoms that go along with it. And spinning is about you. Spinning is not about the other person. When you recognize the fact that you're crazy, that hasn't, at that point, you don't need that other person.
It's great once you come back and you can actually resolve that and ask whatever your feelings or whatever so that you can continue the relationship with a person. At that moment, it is about you. And it is about you taking care of yourself and you finding that path away because all that emotions are, are chemicals in the brain that are triggered by some input that you have now said, this means this and now it's catastrophe and abandonment and failure and my life is going to be bad and you see this whole future. Spinning really is about the future.
It is never really about the past. It is always what am I going to lose in the future? This relationship, this is what everything now I have to change everything. Fuck this person.
I'm breaking up and doing this or whatever. It's always about the future and how I look at it. So the first thing I need to do is take myself out of the future and say, what am I doing right now? Because every time, because your brain is going to keep, every time you go to that place, your brain has a route to that trigger.
So now you need to go to another place other than that route to allow those chemicals to subside. I mean, I've spent months, literally months in a zombie days of depression and spinning because I just kept re-triggering the same thing. And that's where things like you have to find a distraction away from that to let your brain calm down. And that's where work, breathing, like I've said, exercise, meditation, finding other people, checking in with other people and having that support and letting them know, hey, I'm spinning.
These are the things I'm spinning about. I'm going to keep checking in with you if you don't have the person to talk to immediately. There are so many things that you can do to put yourself in the present in the programs that I go to that I've been to in sobriety. It's about, well, be of service.
Get the fuck out of your head. Go help somebody else. Go set up chairs somewhere. Wash dishes or feed the homeless or do something that gets out of yourself so you can stop re-triggering that same chemical that just makes you just go downward.
Yeah, because you know what? That route to the trigger that you mentioned is a well-worn path. It's a fucking slip and slide. And it's so easy to go down that path and stay there that it's totally believable that you could stay there for weeks or months at a time if you don't stop and disengage and pull yourself away from that.
And it's a step-by-step process. And I used to be really anti-meds because I'm sober and blah, blah, blah. And I was on Ritalin as a kid and it fucked me up. But in the moment, if in the moment you are so overwhelmed that you just need to survive at that point.
Take the goddamn Xanner, take the well-buter and take whatever, have a shot of whiskey. I don't give a shit. Get yourself out of that zone if you have to. Now, for me, I'm an addict.
So if I can't do a one-off, I can't go, hey, I'll take a half Xanner and then I'm fine. And I'll deal with this and talk to someone. I used up all my tokens. But if you are not an addict or an alcoholic, then by all means, if you've got to take some meds to get you through that, then that's what they were fucking made for.
They weren't made to abuse. They were made to get you through that time so you could get your head back and work on it. And definitely, like you had said before, reaching out to people and reaching out to your friends, having friends to bounce ideas off going, hey, am I being crazy with this? I have definitely called and called friends and said, am I being nuts?
And please, answer me honestly. I did that. I ended up doing that. Thanks, Kathy.
You will go. I called Kathy and I literally said, I'm spinning and then I burst into tears. And she listened and gave me excellent advice and got me through the next hour before I could go and talk to the person that I need to talk to. So it was good.
But yeah, it happened multiple times in the last month that there were unresolved issues with separate people. And there was time involved between when I announced that I needed to talk to them and when I actually could talk to them. And during that time is when I went a little crick-cuckoo. We all go a little crick-cuckoo sometimes.
Turn to yourself. Turn to yourself. That's be on be. That's it.
All right. Well, do we have to talk? I'm going to make a goddamn new jingle. Shit.
I failed in the jingle making. Damn me. I failed in bringing in the email. I printed it.
Oh, well, thank you very much. And that means people emailed this stuff and they were usually, I think it was the- Give me somebody who moved away and from California and had, had, was on a king break because her husband is still here wrapping stuff up. So she's on her own and she's been on a king break. So what she does is she goes on Thursday mornings to the park to exercise and listens to us and she's talking about how she was cracking up when we broke the cane over Mark's ass.
We went- We went- Sorry. Sorry. We went- Our first edits. Our first edits.
Kathy, producer. Please, Mike, mark down that I must now edit fees error. Let me go back and get that. When a biz broke, Kathy's cane over Mark's ass.
She- She cracked up and nearly peed herself. And as she said she was a, she's a 50-50- woman in her 50s and all of those who would know that she laughed so hard she almost peed herself. Don't be blaming that on age. We are at Pissed Your Pants Funny at 20.
We are, but it just gets- Damn. It just gets a letter. It just gets a little- Don't make an excuse. We're funny.
The moral of that story is, bagels. You should be doing them right now. I love bagels. Bagels are delicious.
They're toasted and you can put cream cheese. I never got into the lock thing. Stop. I mean- I can tell you right now that every woman listening to this podcast is right now doing their cayels.
Right now? Right now. And you just- So- So that means inside of you there's little round things with holes in them and you squeeze them? You do cayels too.
It's how you can get your dick to do little jumpy things. That's a cayel? Yes. I just thought it was talking with your penis.
No, that's- Mark and Mark's sister are falling off of seating right now. Can I give just the side note here is that Abyss did replace that cane with an absolutely awesome, awesome cane. Thank you so much. You're welcome.
It's going to be fun. We still have to take off our pants and go down with each other. We love each other so much and our bird and audience. I love it.
That's it. I love that listener wrote that in. That listener wrote that in. That's so cool.
Thank you. Sorry I didn't bring your email into- You know, just stop itching. Just stop itching. I love being me.
Your real life sex stories are much better than fantasy. The birdie bonkers let go page. Oh, you can't. Right there.
Right there. Right there. It's like a page. It's like a page.