Oh, Michelle. He either goes one way or the other. Well, you know, I'll make it do what I want. What'd you get up there for her?
I don't know. I don't know. I'm the princess. You're not doing it.
I'm in your birthday. Why are you guys always in this fashion? Shut up. We're all princesses.
This is just going to be a show. This is going to be a show. Get your princess brat. Headphones on you.
God, you don't understand. I bet we got four princesses in the room. And a queen. And a queen.
Miss D is the queen. I just, can you just smell the aggravated estrogen? Just coursing. Yeah, so watch it, buddy.
We're all going to come after you. I just sense this going fine. You guys want to do a show? Yeah!
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Hello and welcome to the perverted podcast. The show where we explore the adventures of the Kinky lifestyle sex and perversion. We're going to be watching the show live from the threshold of love in North Hollywood, California, in front of our perverted studio audience. I'm Kathy.
I'm Michelle. And I am Calpugi. And here we are in show number 131. And there are just TRs everywhere.
People's TRs everywhere. There is a TR because tomorrow is Kathy's birthday. Yes! She is now moved from Old Cow to Extra Old Cow.
And just the extra because now how do you feel being older, Kathy? Old and Ricky. Does it feel better? It's so good.
Is it exciting? So bad. So much worse than ever thought it was going to feel. I mean, this is the oldest you've ever been?
Yes, every day is basically the worst day of my life. You already got your AARP. Do you get those? I do.
No. I get the AARP. AARP for... I don't know.
I don't think they... I got to start clipping coupons now. That is amazing. You're AAA discount and you're AARP.
All those good things. For our UK friends, the AARP is the magazine for older people. It's just the magazine. It's like a whole...
It's a whole organization that helps out people that are 50 and over. So it's like the dreaded thing. I turn 50 next year. I'm just...
I hope they send it to me like literally a day before my birthday. So it could just be extra dickish because it's just when you get this, you now know, oh, I'm old. The world thinks I'm old. I will celebrate with you.
Here's my thing. When did you get it the day? I got it last year actually. Oh, really?
They waited a year. They said, hey, let's not fuck with them in their year of torment. That's right. Michelle, you know what I noticed?
What's that? You noticed even though they were already cupcakes made, however possibly burnt. Possibly. That my Michelle came in and had to upstage my birthday givings to Cathy with an ornate, fancy, sexy, purple chocolate cake that is...
The doorbought. The doorbought. I almost wanted to stick my dick in just to kind of alter it. Don't be but your orange cupcakes were lovely.
The top half was delicious. It's not my fault. Just the tip. The oven was kind of burnt and it just didn't...
That oven sucks. I'll tell you that right now. It's just so they're burnt. So the top half tastes delicious.
Yeah. And then everyone's like, oh, it's the thought that counts. It's true. It's kind of like good.
That's how it's good. But the bottom half, not so much. Oh, thank you. Oh, thank you.
Don't you help me. Don't you help me. Don't you help me. Don't you help me.
I don't even know what that means. But yes, I hate when people say it is not good. It is so. That's what you tell a fucking five-year-old, Kathy.
Well, that's what we call it. And they're like, let me do this macaroni picture and I slobbered my goop all over it. And that's the thought. No, it's not.
When you're an adult, it's a failure. Get over it. No. Just say, own it.
Own it. Don't be looking for that honorable mention. Our entire country has been fucked because we stopped having failures. You know why I don't believe you?
It's because you never say that to other people. It's only you direct that kind of a... Because I'm trying to fuck them, Kathy. You don't say that to people.
You don't want to fuck me. You can just say, but you failed on the cupcakes. I don't want to book you, but you did a good job. Jesus, thanks, Mommy.
You're only 50%. All I know is we're lighting both of them. We are. We're lighting burnt fucked up cupcake and you might as well as pretty fucking show boogie up.
Don't wear out, leave the tip of yours. That's thank you very much. Fuck it, I'm only in the audience. You know.
Take it much. It has been a kind of a week of... I'm dying to know what that thing, the first thing on potato may have been. Yeah, me too.
Tainted love balls. Did you take your balls again? Apparently, we all are dying of like a parasite leg cancer aids. Oh, I saw this.
Yes, you guys look pretty nasty. What is all that? Well, it's a reaction. Well, it's a reaction.
Do you remember? Let's take a journey back. Let's make a little sound. Remember back to show 130 a week ago when Bunny was hammered and we were celebrating the joy of drunken pirate Orbeez and they were so happy and I worked so hard to make them happy.
200 something fucking Orbeez and drunkenness and sloshing and they rolled in them and I didn't end them. But you did. The next day I promised them and I got up to my waist. And I sat for like 20 minutes and then I felt one touch my bung hole and it freaking freaked me out.
It was slippery and I'm like, oh my God. And then all of your balls were nested in there. No! And you can see, they were drunk the next day but they were sitting there like this is so funny and I'm like, and I'm just like kind of putting my hands in.
How long did it take before? How long did it take before all three of us broke out looking like we had fucking death in. You look like Black Widow Spider just bit you all over the place. It was about 24 hours.
And then all of a sudden the next day he was like, I think I got bug bites and I'm like, whoa shit, I'm going to change the sheets and then all of a sudden I got these and then all of a sudden like six hours later I'm like, what the fuck is this? I got put, wait a minute, I didn't sleep. I slept on the massage table and they slept on the wait and then all of a sudden I called Bunny. Hey, Bunny.
Yeah, I'm actually in the ER right now. No, my goodness. Getting head to toe. Where did you get these from?
This is foreign country, right? Well, they were from China. Of course. But I did look up.
Some people say it was a water because it sat a couple of days and we had heaters on it. And so we didn't put any bleach or chlorine in it. And but I figured two days we've done things in the kiddie pool before. And so that might have been it, but it most likely was some chemical that came off of the not original Orbeezies were the Chinese version of the Orbeez.
This is what I do. But I don't try this at home jingle. But I looked up in the rea, hey, it says non-toxic. I've watched dozens of videos, people putting their children in these things, you know, they get kiddie pools and whatever.
So I figured, okay, this is safe. I did my due diligence. And then I looked online and I found one girl who her and her sister had a bathtub full of it. And then they broke out with kind of bumps.
So that kind of leads maybe it was just water and we should have put some bleach in the water. Needless to say, nobody in this love family is eager to repeat the Orbeez. Use any of your cheap ass Orbeezies online. And so what's great is I dumped 200,000 Orbeez into the alley.
And so it literally just covered like 20 square feet of just Orbeez. And then as the days are going by, there's still a giant pile out there and it's because they dehydrate and they shrink and they go back to Orbeezies. But yeah, that was kind of really, that was tainted love. That was, yeah, don't touch me please.
I cannot stand the way you tease. I love you but you hurt me so. So I'm going to pack my things and go. And go.
Boop boop. Tainted love. And if it, yeah, that's what I'm hoping. So if it rains every time it rains, you know, then all of a sudden the Orbeez will reappear and fucking Catholics will come and pray over it.
Will like make it in the shape of Virgin Mary and put a fucking bun in the middle of it. So yeah, that's it. That was it. That was it.
Yeah. So that was fail. And then I just wanted to ask a question by show of hands on your opinion. Does knife play count as foreplay?
Yes. Fuck yes. Thank you. End of conversation.
End of conversation. Well, because we're done. Yeah, because thank you. Thank you very much.
No, because last night, you know, Mew was kind of like, oh, let's let's do some frisky. I'm like tired. Stand of the day. Tired orientation.
Like all when she's like, oh, you know, and I know that, you know, she has to have her orgasms so she can get to sleep. And she's like, can we just do some foreplay? You know, and I know, you know, as a guy that's, you know, has troubles with erections, when that boner's there, it's time to fuck. Otherwise you're going to lose it.
So I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I did. So I'm going, oh, natural, which is, you know, just fucking spin the roulette wheel and see what happens. And, and so I'm like, and we know that this is kind of an awkward thing to be like, if I cuddle and stuff like that, I'm most likely just, you know, it's cuddly, but then whatever. So my instant thought is quick.
Grab a knife. Oh, boogie. Man. Hey, grab a knife and I start cutting her back and she starts bleeding a little bit.
And then I get a fire. Oh my God. And I'm like, like that honey, she's all that's not exactly it was hot. It was hot, but not exactly what I was thinking.
So I figured I would ask the room if that counted as actually foreplay. Okay, good. Sorry, pumpkin. If I can ask that, get over it.
I saw a jury of my peers and we are your peers. So Kathy, now last week, apparently you got butt hurt because we, but I listen, I listen to the show. There we go. I listen to the show during potato mayhem and I said, Kathy, what's going on with you?
And then you said, well, nothing, you know, compared to what what you're doing. And so I just skipped over the thing that I thought, but I had apparently skipped over your thing you wanted to talk about. I'm not going to talk about that now. My God, that's so old.
I can't believe you're bringing this up now. What? What? I want to talk to the hunger and see what's going on in the chat room.
What was it? It's over. Michelle, what have you been doing? Everyone gets a chance.
I have a boy in chastity. Oh, yes. She's got a boy now that she is. Is it plastic testing advice or middle chastity?
Right, no, it's plastic, but it was so fun to be out in public together and I was like tapping on it. He's like, yeah, I can't feel that. I'm like, no, I can't feel that. I go pooch.
I can't feel that, right? Nice. He's a very nice guy. Very, very nice.
I'm going to mone. Poppy. I would say you get spanking for being late. So Kathy, I guess you got a he's late.
Poppy, I just wanted to know where to sit. Yeah, there's chair over there. Okay. Oh, he's set by the link over there.
By the pretty naked girl. Poor Poppy. I know. I don't know where the fuck bunny is, but you know, she's late too.
So you got a boy in chastity and so he can pee with that thing? Yeah, he just has to sit. Ah. Very nice.
And so does it restrict the erection or does it completely? How do you restrict the erection? It just hurts. Yeah, I just, there's nowhere for it to go.
And so it just kind of like it keeps it down. I made him watch lesbian porn, lesbian, BDS, and pop. Oh, it's dickish. Oh my God, I'm such an asshole.
I'm like, I'm going to put it on you, wear it for tonight and you go watch the porn. And I always like send him like sexy stuff and you know, oh, you remember when this or no, I can do that to you and God, you're so evil. That's good. Is this the same lovely girl who got me a cake and balloons and?
And there's a huge chastity device baked into it, ha ha, on you Kathy. What? That smells like Hollywood. Why does this cake smell like Hollywood?
You're a little yernie. C'mon. Lighting my candle first. All right.
We'll light the candle on your orange icing cupcakes. Okay. It was orange. That's your favorite color.
Yes, it was. Thank you, boogie. Just the t- just the t- hunger. What?
Hi. What? Hello, Cheery Arnold. Oh.
You seem to be, uh, bright and spunky today. Oh yeah, it's fantastic. It's fantastic. Well, tomorrow's a fantastic day, but for the listeners, tomorrow's today will be yesterday.
Stop talking. This is a fucking hell here today, which is tomorrow. Is this like a movie inception or dreaming? No, it's not inception.
I'm actually dreaming and my balls are all through the universe. No, dream I almost came out tonight. But, but I'm so excited. What are you excited about?
My favorite holiday is tomorrow or today if you're listening after this is posted. All right, we get it. What is it? What?
Crap is knocked. Crap is knocked. Hey, you take that to the bathroom, buddy. What the fuck?
What? He just said, crappus, crapping monk or something. Crapus knocked. Crapus knocked.
Oh, is that crampus? Crapus comes out. Jesus. I don't even know what he's talking about.
It's a Christmas demon. It's a Christmas demon guy. And he follows St. Nicholas and he comes out and beats all the bad people with switches and birches.
Why do I know this? And then people give them alcohol when they come to their house. He's just getting agerier and agerier. I'm an ager.
Are you crappus? Crapus? Crapus? What?
I'm going to say the amount of Nykel you've been taking. Look at him. He's hopping up and down in his chair. I know where I heard this before.
It was on an episode of the league. What? Somebody got really mad at the mall, Santa, and wanted to say why isn't there a crampus or something. He dressed up as it himself.
I've only known about it very little about a time relative to the overall history of crampus. So how are you going to celebrate it? You're just going to dress up and go pee people with switches. I've got switches.
The next thing I'm going to be learning is working so I can make my own crampus mask. A crampus mask? I don't want to know. I'm all crampus.
What's going on? There's so many kinks involved with crampus. You have switches, you have costumes, you have a few difurries, you're dressed up as goat people. So you're more fic furries.
You're got that going. You've got mass. You've got beer play. You've got fire play going.
I wonder what I'm going to talk about with porches because it's nighttime when they're walking around. Basically a king holiday. It is. Do you know what I love it so much?
I have it like a quarter volume. But what people don't know at home is that Unger's been sick for three days and taking Nykel, which is like liquid, yaygermeister, snops stuff. Which is what they give out. Oh my god.
This is what happens when Unger sleeps. When Unger sleeps, he's very sedate and mellow. You give Unger a good five hour night sleep. This is the rest of the night sleep.
I'm afraid to ask what's going on in the chat room. I don't know what I'm talking to you. We weren't talking about 80s music on vinyl for a while and stuff. That's always good.
But oh, then I asked the question because of my good holiday. What holiday kings and scenes do you have or have you done? How do you correlate holiday, it could be any holiday. Just throw it out there as holidays into a king.
Well, if it's Easter Boogie dips his balls and die. I do. I do. I do.
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I do that. I do it. I do that. I do that.
I do that. I do. I do it in allwolfs. I do it all race and poetry in the picture, you do it.
We do. We do it all race. It doesn't count to cover the game. oughls are culture and 2003.
Yep. So they look good. She's correct. So they're not cute.
What it doesn't make story soundsizme is pretty and cute. It saves a lot of fun from cortical ways, which is so much. Let's do it. It was such a cool that Manny went around in just character and represented character.
and not helping it yes okay for only losers who have no life need apply that's right look yeah there's a smile apparently we're gonna have a lot of people here on Christmas come down for Christmas and we'll have candy game vaginas maybe I'll do it on New Year maybe pussy cookies New Year's day yeah we're doing New Year's day okay all right very good get your cake right all types on fat life bigger in the pool but some is big delight for your peace of mind please know that be for your people of mine no peace of mind not people you please know that the author very post we talk about has specific we granted this permission to do so and today we have a post by Ferrell star called baby steps are over I came out to my parents so I usually and you guys know this I fucking butcher the hell out of these posts and I pick it she's and this one is even worse because she had wrote a beautiful long piece I'm not even gonna do it justice but at the point where I'm gonna start talking about her post she and her family are in the book she and her parents are out on the porch and she's already come out to them and everything comes out great and so she says my dad went inside for something but I sat outside with my mother for another hour or so and I remember asking her is this like one of those moments when a gay kid comes out to his parents and they just smile and they say we knew my mom reassured me that this was exactly like that and she added we knew you were gonna be different when you were 18 months old Pantera's cemetery gates was playing you tore off your onesie and got up to dance naked on the coffee table and then I monded something I never expected she told me she was proud of me my high-strung high-standard mother told me that she was proud of me she leaned over and held my hand and told me keep doing you don't let anything keep you from what makes you happy she then got up and went inside and let me sit there baffled so I know look I just wanted to choose this every hat this was a good ending and we don't have a lot of those let's just take a moment and realize that sometimes it doesn't good and that's what I had to do my instant cynicism and go lucky you and whatever but I just then had to sit back and I had to say how awesome that this this young ladies parents I think she's younger was able to have this conversation with her parents and it did go well because it is very rare and we're gonna talk about the rarity and stuff like that but first let's celebrate the fact that sometimes it does go well and you know people do come out and maybe it's a little tumultuous in the beginning but eventually a parent realizes they love their kid and they want to see their kid happy and so I just had to literally stop myself from my instant well what y'all get into and I just had to say congratulations that is that is awesome I kind of figured when the parents were listening to fucking Pan Terra not like the Mormon hits of propriety you know when she was a kid so I kind of figured with that okay maybe we're dealing with some parents that are at least a little more liberal yeah but you know that if somebody comes out as gay I'm not saying that one is easier than that but these days it's more I was accepted and understood versus her telling her parents hey I'm submissive and I come to your mind is what's wrong with you need to go into therapy you're being abused sure it's very misunderstood and that's what that's what you went through with that first initial her mom turned around and did the same thing you know it took her a couple days am I right it took her couple days but then she came very quickly and said I'm proud of you for being yourself and standing up for yourself so it does work out but it is it is very rare in what what I wanted to talk about and you guys go ahead and give your thoughts first because I have a whole spiel thing well for me I came out to my girls and they're older they're gonna be 21 and 19 and I came out to them as being kinky and they're you know I post them down I'm like so I need to tell you something to kind of look at me cock their head and you know I told them that what I was doing that I was going into BDSM parties and stuff like that and that I I host a party and that I do a munch and you know they're very active in the community and they just look at me they're like oh so do you just like half-sex of a bunch of random people I'm like yeah I go no I just hit them but you know they they're I can talk to them about stuff and I you know told them and like if you have any other questions about it I would be more than happy to you know answer any of them and like even tonight I told them oh yeah I'm gonna go to the podcast when they do kinky discussions at the club and and so they don't know what I mean when I say I'm going to the club but yeah and they're they're like yeah okay whatever and this was coming out to the kids it was gotta be a whole another whole another thing because they look up to you you want to keep that image of them respecting you and then to put something like that then you don't know what they're you know and hopefully because the younger generations a little more exposed via the internet stuff like that that it's not maybe a shocking but that's still gotta be it was still very nerve-racking because you know I don't want to I don't want them to think less of me and not them not to respect me because I a little bit of a kinky freak but you know really a little bit but you know I tell you I look at my girls and they're both like very dominant young women and it's like I get a lot of show you some stuff but you know you're all here's what balls do here are some of the things balls do that they don't talk about in the joy of sex right that is that that's another good success though you will have something you want to say well I came from a completely different I think it's it's pretty normal for most people for most humans there is a thing where you want your parents acceptance even in cases which we've all seen where the parents are actually kind of shitty people there is still kind of that weird biological codependency on your parental caregivers and I know so many people who have just really sought that validation so this having this conversation and telling your your parents or one parent that you are a way that you know society doesn't understand and you know your parents you know that there's a chance that they may rebel and even for good reason there's nothing wrong with assuming that when your parents don't know about kink just like Kathy said the first thing they're gonna see is that here's my child they like to be beat or here's my child they like to do this so those are the reactions you kind of would hope your parents would first have an ignorance so there's nothing wrong with that but just that fear of rejection that fear of of growing up and wanting this validation from your parents is is something that's very natural so it's very nerve-wracking in the first place myself I had a very abusive childhood so I was on the defensive from a very early age I did not seek the validation for my parents because they were actually kind of shitty people the time my dad got sober he's been sober 30 years I get along with them now but when I was a kid he was he was a fucking dick so so I didn't seek that validation at any point I didn't seek that I'm proud of you son you know but I wanted to hear it from I still had the desire to hear it but I wanted to hear it from Brian May of Queen in my fantasies when I was like 10 that he was because I was adopted I used to fantasize he's my father and so before I got into Led Zeppelin and then Jimmy Page and all John Bonham and John Paul Johnson's brother playing where all my idols and I wanted their pride and then when I got into religion I had that dream of this God you know being proud of me so I understood the fear of that rejection I just put it in other places but what that gave me the ability to do that a lot of people don't have who do have close relationships with their parents is I had to learn how to validate myself I had to learn how to be proud of myself and let me tell you with a life of bad choices drug addiction food addiction and just overall bad self choices that was a difficult enough thing to overcome too but I had to get to that point to where no matter how my parents viewed me how people that I cared about that I had that kind of power exchange with viewed me I still had to learn how to be proud of myself and I think before anyone goes into the conversation with their parents family brothers sisters that there's a risk of rejection before you go into that conversation you need to sit with yourself and be okay with yourself whatever that response is because if not you may not get that validation and most people's parents and family it's gonna change the dynamic of your relationship and in most cases it's gonna be kind of negative so if you're not proud of yourself if you don't go in and look in the mirror and say no matter what happens I feel good about who I am I hope that they accept me I hope that they love me I hope that this builds more strengthen intimacy like in Michelle's case you can now have more honest conversations with your kids you don't have to hide something with you new is very close with her mom so it's very great that she can not have to kind of dance around where she's going and things like that but it is so devastating when people come out to their families and they get rejection and they haven't prepared themselves and they have banked on that acceptance so I really wanted to just put out there before you have that conversation really sit down with yourself and do that work and I would say that goes for any if you're on the fringes of society in any way polyamorous if sure if you are in anything that's gonna be unusual that's it's non-conventional you're right it's best to prepare for the worst yeah I haven't gotten there with the poly thing with the kids yet so it's okay it's okay people in the balls but right if you got two sets of balls and one of them's not yet now I don't know I would have thought my parents were heroes I would have been like rock on I got admit though my mom's dead fucker but I remember the way I found out that she had an affair with some dude and I was like 15 14 15 and my mom had some awards thing she was a journalist and she went up and they let me get drunk because I was a drunk as a young kid and so this was my this was literally the one time I hung out with my mom and we were actually civil with each other because we both got drunk at this event and you know there's some guy presenting you know and brought her up and and and so we're sitting in the car we're driving and I'm already hammered and I'm like wow I can't believe I'm actually hammered with my mom this is we're actually getting along and we're driving and we park at the next place and she goes hey you know that guy that presented she's all yeah I had him a fair with him your dad and I almost divorced over it and then got out of the car so prepare just take a little time to prepare because I just sat there and I just was like oh well he's been you know he had this and he he he did that and and I'm just like well thanks mom she's the one that used to slap me in the middle of the night drunk and accused me of being gay when I was like 12 13 years old because I have people didn't get it oh my god wake up and I'd like whoa and she's ah you're gay aren't you I go no mom I just can't get a date the dogs like what over there she got look you're gay we know your father and I have talked about I just need to know are you gay we go from a really nice story from Ferrell star about coming out to her parents I just want to first out tell some great fucking stories about my killer mom but but the other thing is is once again you may not get the reaction that you want and you have to validate yourself validate surround yourself and if you don't get that validation from your parents I have people who represent family to me in this lifestyle that I know either online or that we deal with or that we reach out in the show and I know it may not be a blood family or whatever but I have family I have people that I look to as a sibling as an authority as a mother as a father that I learned things from and those people validate yeah and we've read people's posts people's emails on the show in which things don't go well and they do find their own family their own friends they have they have love to fall back on and it's great to hear those two is always breaks my heart when things don't go well but gosh it sure was nice to hear a nice story for a change so you're okay you're okay special go to under I'm not gay mom and literally she walks away like this she just goes gay I just want to say that to you in the hallways you have to gay I'm just getting a date I've said what's up under yeah I just quit note that I actually came to the chat for the first time like just now oh my god did you tell we're talking about that's so funny are we supposed to do something now we go out buggy I like it was this is from Michael he sent us an email in which he says I just discovered PP recently and I am loving it actually more than that it's literally changing my life you're fun loving and down to Earth treatment of all things BDSM combined with Alicia and equally fun living in non-serious BDSM woman who recently entered my life have made me see and enjoy my own sexuality in a completely new way life is short and I'm gonna have fun with this instead of knocking myself forward I'm working to catch up on past shows but I'm still far from being a pee-pee zombie getting close to the zombie getting close to writing and saying I want my button oh my god damn but yeah you keep poking me you keep poking me go ahead just poke your gay okay I'm not okay I have a button that says that okay okay okay but last we need another button please gay okay Holly is sexy I need some poly sanity what are you supposed to do I don't you have some shit to say or something don't I always have some shit to say I'm like I'm like a little boy please of mine something Polly if you're Polly it's okay we don't have an intro for poly sanity I just played an intro no that's a jingle oh yeah I know it's no shit Jesus Christ it's only show one 31 all right you just read that on the board you don't act like no stuff why I write the board Pookie no stuff okay this is in our series that we have been discussing for the past few months dr Justin lame-iller is the director of the social psychology program at Balsett University a faculty affiliate of the Kinsey Institute and author of the blog sex and psychology and he's just the back story he and his colleagues conducted an online survey of over 3,500 adults and they found some pretty interesting things so and this is a really long studies but if you're interested I highly encourage you read the whole thing but basically he breaks it down into four basic findings and in the past few months as I said we've talked about number one number two and now we're gonna hit number three which is polyamorous people resist being easily categorized he says people who are polyamorous don't just shun traditional relationship labels and practices they also have a tendency not to divide the world into just male female or gay and straight in fact compared to all other studies of sex and relationships I've ever conducted our poly sample yielded the highest rates of both non-binary gender identities and alternative sexualities which raises the question are people with diverse gender and sexual identities more drawn to polyamory or does polyamory lead people to acknowledge aspects of themselves that they may not otherwise feel comfortable doing if they were completely monogamous I'm gonna say gay gay this is gonna be a thing now you're gay you're poly gay poly gay gay poly I gotta tell my girls now I'm gay and I'm poly I don't know I hear that question I'm like both I agree both seems both because nothing's a guarantee but I think both of those what are the two two choices both two choices again no we that the thing what's either one is drawn to the other one brings out the people who are non you know gender binary whatever are they drawn to polyamory or does the fact that you are polyamory naturally lead you to yeah to explore other areas yeah I'm gonna say that yes I mean so many things in this lifestyle the answer is yes because it could be one of the other I think people but it really depends on your environment I mean there's a lot of really uptight stuck up gay people that aren't willing to think outside of the box just like there's straight people that are stuck up and won't think outside of the box I think there's also polyamory people that are stuck into this is the correct way to do polyamory so those people aren't really thinking outside of the box I think both of those lifestyles because socially you're being kind of oppressed you kind of have to defend yourself and whenever you have to defend yourself that means you need information so you cannot look like an asshole when you defend yourself which kind of forces you to think about what you're doing and why you're doing it and I think during those kind of discussions with yourself that's when you maybe start asking more questions because you kind of have to be a little more liberal with yourself that's my bullshit I think to that you're you're given the space and you feel safe to where you can openly look and see inside of yourself a little bit more than what you would if you were you know putting yourself in a box like I would have never thought that I would have been sexually attracted to a woman before I came into the King lifestyle and started being poly because that was never an option for me being monogamous married with two young children so I think it just kind of helps open up things and and you go huh yeah I think I kind of like that and you think that's that could be more and once again I think that could go back to are you in a poly community are you in a you know non-bint whatever the list non-binary gender fluid are you in that community because whenever you get in a community of people that are having like an alternative progressive kind of relationship or what appears to be progressive you maybe talk more you talk more about it whereas I think people in just you know the majority of people in a regular head monogamous kind of heading towards marriage and babies thing which is most of our culture they just don't really have those conversations because they're not exploring themselves yeah so I open I mean but it also depends on what you're going because I'm I'm I'm polyamorous I've been polyamorous for a long time but I'm I mean at this point I don't I don't feel it changed because I think that kind of did I almost say presupposes I don't think if you did it kind of assumes that everyone is is secretly bisexual or gay or something and maybe that's not the case because I sure I'm still not attracted to dudes and I am polyamorous nobody's just basically about being more open-minded sure which one leads you to which I mean this is basic this is his study and granted it was a lot of people was over 3,500 people but to find that that most of those people either identified as non-binary genders like genderqueer or alternative sexuality is like pansexual that's pretty astounding I think that but frankly how you get there was the question that he asked yeah I don't think this is a chicken or the egg thing no I think every individual is gonna find something different I mean I know for me I just naturally I didn't have to come into the BDS and community to start being curious about polyamory I just naturally questioned all that stuff from a very early age I didn't understand why I had to choose men or women I didn't understand why I could only have one partner none of that stuff ever made sense to me but I have met people who started exploring their kinky side and once you open that gate it's hard to close it and you start maybe delving into areas that you'd never even considered going into but now that you've done it for here why not other areas of life if this in particularly if this area has made you very happy if this has made you feel fulfilled you'll sure you'll be much more you know willing to explore other things I think if you're in an environment which is like here let's just say threshold or the BDSM community or the gay community I think there's just so you're so not judged for things I mean not saying we don't have people that are judgmental and that we still if we're all honest we still judge people we're so prejudice but in general there's just so much kind of encouragement of people to explore themselves that it just creates an environment where if you don't have those those those barriers that you had in your religious background or your you know traditional conservative kind of background that you're more likely to try things and if you're more likely to try things you're more likely to like a number of those things it's true or you can just like find out more about yourself like oh no I don't think so thank you though then I'm not gay okay just know you gotta do it real just like just like trying to slurring drunk just as she's okay her final no no final okay okay just like whisper it's like what's where it's why you do this now everyone's gonna be coming up to you going to give a shit and I'll go maybe maybe second dicks but you know all here we all talking about very intellectually how this can happen you know a lot of times it's like kid in a candy store you finally you're an adult you you work in your 40 plus hours you get your kids and you finally let loose and start exploring some Avenue that you've always wanted to it's hard not to get out yeah that's true Michelle you are a big old whore I am they got a hole I've seen a night take a number take a number I think it would be awesome if you had like that red pick a counter that you get at the butcher yes that's you take a number for Michelle and she has like the counter on the wall setting number seven detail my time I talked in bottom like like different scenes in and out it was only shell yeah no one enjoys this like them more than you maybe mr. yeah I do pretty good hey you're gay it's true we have to check it with anger at all is anything going on okay anger anger anger I'm going to wait for the question well it is I mean I don't want to inter I don't know how to interrupt your crap ass celebration or whatever crap ass crap ass the guy with twigs twigs the people come on twig Peter my Michelle's like twigs you're a threat twig yeah come on hey you know they didn't have your real sounds 200 years ago they had to be creative you think people just discovered like when your etheral sounds came out hey I'd really like something in my people I bet they were thinking about this thousands of years ago and Aug and togg were out there fucking jerking it on rocks oh I wonder if they did dick to dick instead of ass ass oh did you do that I gotta do that I did two boys to sound and then oh like it's going to do sounding yes and then they yeah I'm going to be asked what's going on in the chat I blame myself for that visual that was that was awful thank you I'm going on the chat please say something hit we're talking about video games yay yay that started about how people don't want to play EA games it's just nothing what's wrong with EA games not even a game company that's like mostly sports games and stuff right some but they've also just put out most of the Star Wars games are on EA now oh yeah people are bitching about the Star Wars games we should have a kinky well none of them we don't have any games that hey oh my god okay so I'm on steam and I bought I bought Wolfen though even better even better Wolfenstein a new order Wolfenstein was one of the OG 3D games right the very first first shooters one of the first person shooters so I'm like all right so I got you know the old blood and it was in a deal package with the you know whatever the new order you know where the guy wakes up he's been in a silent for 15 years and the Germans actually won the war and dropped a bomb on the US and then to surrender so you got to kill a lot of Nazis Nazis are always getting the short into the stick and it's always demonology and shit like that which is great but there is actually a scene for the perv nerds and you usually do not get this in any video game they'll show you all the violence blood guts and whatever but you will never see sex ever in the middle of this too many cinematics like fucking usually hit cinematics and I was cursing the cinematics until all of a sudden the all of a sudden you see this fucking gorgeous fucking Polish chick fucking riding the dude side boob fucking nipple the whole thing and you just it was like obviously they're gonna go die at some point but but just sign in a game Wolfenstein new order okay yeah just thought you any perbs out there because we clearly understand when you're I don't get it when you are a young horny man is this like doom it's like it's like I do but you get a gun and you got a scope a third person shooter means you are a first person shooter means you are the point of view is the gun and you look at the world around you up down everywhere I get it I saw hard for Henry okay good so you can look around so when you get a scope you have a rifle in it as a scope and now you can zoom in and then shoot the guy in the head and blow his head up like a fucking great okay but what are you gonna do while you're looking around this world hey look there's a female character I'm gonna zoom in on her fucking pussy I'm gonna zoom in on her ass and jerk off when you're fucking you know 14 years old sitting at the computer and you're just like hey look boobs cuz they have boobs and every year they get better and more jiggly and more amazing so you actually zoom in so to a game and they never in mainstream games they don't put sex cuz like you can have all the violence you want but you put a boob in there man the fucking Christians love a fucking kenipchen fan so that's so true so in a game that's like this you're like oh my god she's naked she's riding him or boobs shaking it looks actually cuz you can't see him which is even better you just see her riding them see sticks is like oh you played it haven't you you know the scene it was very proud moment there was one video game I'm gonna digress there was one game that knew that the kids were looking through a scope I think it was sin sin emergence or something like that another first person shooter and you would put the scope you would like you would like you always do that you like here's the hot shit character and she's you know CG character whatever and you kneel in front of her and you try to get your faces closer ass as you can her tits or whatever and in this one if you put the scope on her on her ass like literally after like 15 seconds of doing it she'll all of a sudden go I didn't really take you for an ass man the game will start talking she'll start fucking with you I love it you zoom in on her pussy and I swear to god she's like you know isn't it against company policy for fratization she like it's like seven things you know all of a sudden just to be caught by a video game to be caught perving on a video game and I heard it first I was like oh dick in my hand and then all of a sudden I was great I've seen a little bit of humiliation in there a little bit I just thought it was amazing and so now I just go back and I'm like that's right but you like it you like it when I look at your fucking virtual non-camel toe cooter you're definitely not day nice and you may need some fucking advice right now so it's really important that you don't listen to a word we say because we are not therapist I know no no I got a scope I got a scope on some side boob on what I'm saying oh god now I'm excited like hunger with crumpus on my cowloon I'm not a loud hunger really like this because he got enough sleep so I've never seen him like this never I think he still hopped up on Michael that could actually I didn't have dream to have a girl to have that in a while because I might be sick I don't know I might be sick he has in his day planner next week I will be sick I bring a sec what we got here Nicole wrote us in a few but carnal Nicole wrote a while ago asking us for advice on how she how to turn off her little when she's around her kids she says just over seven months ago you all helped me with a very sticky situation and you were spot on with your advice thank you you were definitely right especially boogie whom it pains me to say was completely correct about phrasing and daddy having to work on his own shit but we've gotten almost everything totally ironed out and we are by far the happiest we've ever been with a stronger relationship than I ever thought possible that is that is very good all that said it does leave me to a question we like so many others were introduced to the lifestyle by 50 shades of grey however this seems to be practically taboo against the scene and I don't understand why is it because it's such a big part of pop culture certainly it's not because Christian and Anna don't fit the norm because that's one of BDSM's most awesome features there truly isn't a norm every relationship will be a little bit different the first movie portrayed Christian as an absolute asshole so I can understand the community not wanting that kind of behavior associated with them but even that seems a stretch for how sacrilegious the series is seen I truly don't understand but I've only been in the life for about two years so maybe I don't get it PS I'm also a reverse PP Sam we have to know congratulations please don't do that that's very annoying it hurts stop bashing your friend into the mic is he done where's music is just fashion of that I know Jesus Christ what is it she did that today her assault her offense was like we're talking shit to each other and and she's like don't make me get up daddy and I'm like you know you live something like this and they ain't doing nothing she's like I'll do it I say you keep doing it you're lip slapping like the wind and she's all right she gets up and she runs over and I pick her up and I throw her in the table and she goes fuck me daddy I go your offense was horrible your offense instilled fear in nobody sounds like me and Poppy this was the offense that you mounted God damn it I bat my head against this because and not for the listener and not for the people that enjoyed 50 Shades of Gray as a romantic novel or movies or whatever the 20 million plus people that were into it I bang my head at the type pieces of shit in fringe communities that are not even in French communities we have tons of them here that just like they take this this thing of pride as though 50 Shades of Gray was a fucking documentary it was a fucking movie a fictional movie why are people so hung up on a fictional movie people free as long as there have been movies people have been misrepresenting history they've been misrepresenting characters in history they've been telling half-truth it's a it's a story but people want to identify and be righteous it brought 20 million people middle-aged and grandma's curious about kinky sex it who cares if you like the fucking movie it got people talking about king and I think that's an exceptional thing I agree but you don't want to say good Lord what's well then don't offer it to someone obviously not what do you think what do you think that would be good okay so I was tricked into reading the first book not the movie I read the first book really a friend of mine read it she's like oh have you read this book I'm like no so you should read it and I said why so because no one else read it oh and it's got kinky fuckery I'm like all right I'm in so I started reading it I saw where it was going the reason I hated because I was already in the community when this happened and it represents the community in a very bad way because he did a lot of very non-consensual things to basically a new person and a virgin which in the book he's trying to start this DS relationship she mentioned oh I'm a virgin he gets pissed off says what and the proceeds are just taken in the room and fucker okay so pretty much didn't really consent it's just like okay you mean in this fictional movie that that someone got raped in a fictional and everything but it's like you said it's bringing people in the community but it's bringing the a false vision of the community I think that's what a lot of people are upset about that's what kind of not upset me but I'm like no this is not a good representation people are gonna come in thinking this is it if they if they're stupid enough to believe a fictional story as fact then yes we have big you have bigger problem if you watch Star Wars and you fucking hate James Earl Jones because he voiced fucking Darth Vader you have psychological fucking difficulties in your head and you shouldn't be in the community anyway because you should see a therapist it's a fiction yeah but it's represented as a possible star was you know what percentage of puddles a billionaire with a helicopter you know did you see the secretary he's fast did you see the did you see the dysfunction in that relationship that that was non-consensual that was completely he just bent her over in spankter and it just on the off chance that she was fucking into it it's a movie well here's this is the problem that I have with it you're right that it brought people who were already meaning in that direction into the community and that's great and if they have a I don't know an opinion of what it's like based on on that then the community will at some point you know turn them but we just got finished talking about how people you know somebody coming out to their parents and coming out to the family about being kinky about being poly about being gay we even just illustrated all these examples in which people will their first gut reaction will be and sometimes not just a gut reaction they will continue with that assumption oh my god you're being abused I'm like I'm talking about when people come out to their parents or their family about something that they don't understand people have preconceived notions about what these things are in those preconceived notions they come from a place of ignorance and you and I both know that where people are not smart people are dumb people will see those things and think of them as really it's the same reason why polyamorous people have a hard time explaining that because what we know with the general public news about polyamory is those horrible fiction series in which polyamory is done by religious people as an excuse for marrying underage women okay so let so now so you have these preconceived notions I don't care what happens so I'm not so concerned about the people that have brought into the community that's great because they should be in the community in a place where they're going to hopefully understand what it is and what it isn't what is upsetting me is that it is all it is a long tough uphill battle to get most people to understand that for the most part people who engage in BDSM or Kiki activities are not mentally disturbed it is only recently that it's been declassified sure all right if you are already fighting that long uphill battle the last thing we fucking want is a hugely popular movie that portrays it the BDSM community exactly as it isn't because it is already a tough fight and now you have just fucking tripled it you fucking cut whore for writing this piece of shit series that is absolutely horrible and you know I'm so glad that you have so much money now that's great now the rest of us will go back and continue to fight what was already a tough battle and now I have never disagreed with you absolutely more absolutely more evermore I have had more conversation see because I'm not afraid to have a conversation with somebody when they say oh I even first off I've never had a single human out of the hundreds of people I've met since 50 Shades of Great come out that talk about or that go online or on Fetlife or are reaching out and trying to find out that have said wow you know they did this in 50 Shades of Great I'm gonna do that too and even if they did what a wonderful opportunity for me as somebody who has been in the real BDSM community that understands a little bit about consent and understands about you know how to communicate with people and what's the best interest for each other's and dealing with triggers and stuff like that what a great opportunity for me to go hey I understand that it was like that in the book that's that's that's a neat movie and and some people thought it was real sexy here's how we really do it and now I have an opportunity to have a conversation that if that book hadn't been written we would have never been having because that would have been 20 million less there hasn't been another one since that was the one of that generation I mean we've had a few the secretary brought people out story of oh whatever you know some of them and all of those had things in it that were not necessarily what we would say would be good for a new person but we got to have conversations with people and then stand up for our community and say hey I'm glad that you're talking about this now let's have a conversation I'm not afraid of that conversation and I just think I we can say it shit you can judge however it is but I think that it has been farm our fucking club at threshold is three times the attendance that it was before these movies because this movie brought people out and it gave us an opportunity to educate them I agree with you and I agree with you when the people that we see coming to the community are the ones we want coming in here so we can educate you and show you the right way that's not what I'm talking about I'm talking about the other half of society that has no idea what we do doesn't want to know what we do and has pre-concentive they were already gonna do then they were just using that move is a scapegoat to say look we're using it's a fiction absolutely not it put the wrong idea into their heads of what it what it is if they believe that a fiction is truth if there's somebody that does that then you got a problem anyway well I guess what I what I wanted to say was that basically like you've taken something that all people are passionate about you've reduced it to a punchline and so like you already have something that's sort of like you know you're already trying to get some sort of legitimate maybe consideration if you're if you're wanting to have a relationship a certain way and you basically have a whole community that's gonna mock you but people like she's like what Kathy saying you're not having the people coming to the dungeon are you like well this seems kind of interesting it's those are the conversations that are really happening it's the mockery that's outside of that we're like oh yeah that's like oh can't keep those are the people that are reaping versions right you know don't see it you know miss D's going tomorrow to a fucking two panels that I used to do a lot with before my eyes went shit and those are hundreds of college students and 90% of them have no idea what kink is and they're not giving those judgments we're speaking to hundreds of non kinky kids and they are asking on his questions and a lot of it because of that movie yeah but you've given pop culture like you know like that's your introduction to it you're kind of like fighting the battle from underneath like it didn't have to be that way they could have done a better film but can you get I'm sure I'm sure it could have been better if you know we could all say they should have done this like this I'm sure every Quentin Tarantino movie right or people that are gonna say god I wish why does he focus so much on race and using the N word and we could say so you know that's that pushing that's perpetuating racism because certain people really get off on hearing that in all of these movies and the violence and people can say that oh we're trying to teach people not to be violent but there's so much fun there are movies there's stories people are making up and there should be a certain grain of salt that humans take and say that's not my kind of movie that's not my kind of story but if you want to talk and debate the philosophies of that movie now we're having a conversation yeah I mean if you like it's a conversation on it and most people just take it as like a dismissive I'm glad there's people are going to these lectures and are getting something out of that but by and large people are pretty much already they've made their mind up and I think it's like you know that's this crap and what my point is is if people are going to make their judgment based on a fictional movie then they got bigger prop they're already ready to judge me but that's most society anyway what I'm saying is that it just made it harder that's all I'm saying it made it 10 times harder for us to do what we're what this show sets out to do because people who are around the fringes and are like I don't really want I'm not sure and they come in because of that book or because of the secretary or others I think that's great but I don't think that you and I or a lot of us come into a contact a lot with outside of this community but the people that are coming to this community those fringe people that are coming to this community and we're educating them guess where they're going they're going back to their families that are judging the BDSM lifestyle and having stories of coming out but that's the battle that happens one person at a time when family at a time and that's great and it's what they came here because of a shitty fucking movie but that's great I'm not arguing with you I said again I think it's great that that all those movies whether story of oh or secretary or 50 shades of pewkey grade because it's a horrible book in my opinion that's fine bring them out to the community come to our classes we'll teach you all that shit you step out of line we'll tell you how you stepped out of line yeah I don't think it's harder for us to do our jobs I think I think if anything our job is fucking easier I don't because we now have something to talk about with people we now have a road to have a conversation it's not like that movie I have so many boys who messaged me and they're like please mr.s may I come to the match am I allowed yeah it's a free thing please mr.s may I come to the to the party and you know they have the fantasy in their head they're supposed to say oh you may come well you're the one who gets all these messages well your whore you gotta read out the frogs you know they come and they think that they're this you know just brat brat brat of them dogs are gonna come and take them and put shit in their asses and you know just down and and do no I yeah you know it's another face and shit on them but you know it's like I could tell them I'm like no no this is not how it works I know I will not be your foot you know you cannot be my foot slave I do not know you and is this that fabulous domination munch I've heard you talk so much and what is this munch Michelle it is on the third Thursday of every month at the no-hoe diner on Magnolia I had to shame the segway away from the fucking time whatever we're done we can agree I'm glad that there's shitty stories out there that make people curious even if there's shitty stories doesn't doesn't bother me but come to your munch munch your box hey let's just like some birthday gay did you just almost stand on my burnt cupcake you just got on the table and I swear she was an inch away from crushing failure cake it's not failure cake it's I'm sure this I can I'm okay with my go ahead and like those and I guess we'll sing there I don't even know what this thing is Kathy your spankings thank you there's a lighting bring them over bring what we need someone else to bring you okay party camp first yay happy birthday Kathy you and that is our show thank you threshold for providing this perverted playground first recording if you are in the Los Angeles surrounding area visit threshold find out about joining their family thank you to everyone in the love life tonight especially the anger and everyone in the gym campus compass to bunny and you forget thank you Michelle for a guest hosting tonight my pleasure and everybody else I can't even name they're all behind me but I'm gonna princess crown I don't remember if you have questions comments or ideas please email us at perverted podcast at gmail.com and visit perverted podcast on that finally we will be here next week for show 132 we are just a trudging along there's a song and it's coming up and I don't know what it is we're gonna go we're gonna do it now see you guys next week people around the world rely on therapy and religion to like help them cope when things are bad or when people hurt and kill them but like that's too much stuff to remember and most religions are lame so when life poops in my sunroof I call up my friends and say let's go get a pedicure because sometimes life can't suck let's go get a pedicure and then we'll go and drink margaritas my friend Jessica's boyfriend is ugly and he traits her just like crap he doesn't care about her feelings it's like he's totally not interested that he won't put his mouth on her poon and her and he calls her dumb and fat oh my god so I hired an ex inmate to butt rape him and I took over by the hand and say let's go get a pedicure cuz sometimes life can't suck let's go get a pedicure and then we'll go and drink margaritas cuz a pedicure makes your toes look cute you deserve to be fat but and it feels real good a pedicure can feel you with hope a pedicure should be blessed by the pole be with you the president gave a speech today about the budget crisis and like war so I drove to the White House pop the fence and kicked in the Oval Office door I said it's obvious what we're doing is not working and we need a genius plan so before the CIA tackled me I saluted our flag and to the president let's go get a pedicure cuz sometimes life can suck let's go get a pedicure and then we'll go and drink margarita let's go get a pedicure cuz sometimes life can't suck let's go get a pedicure and then we'll go and drink my pedicure pedicure pedicure pedicure pedicure huddly pedicure pedicure pedicure pedicure 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