#1316 - Abby Martin

Two one. Oh, hello Abby. Hello Joe. What's going on?

Not the much I saw you chilling with all of her stony on the day Yeah, it's pretty cool. He's an interesting guy very interesting guy. Yeah, he likes to support radical politics So he came out for the screen of the new film that we did Yeah, he's not very unusual character in that regard right because he's like this blockbuster movie maker guy But he's also a pretty radical guy in the way in his politics and when he supports and yeah He's kind of like the black sheep of Hollywood for a while, you know doing all the radical kind of the radical outlier of Hollywood basically Yeah, but the do you saw the JFK movie right? Yeah, that was a weird one right It's like I kind of like it, but I'm kind of like hey man that fucking general wasn't even a real person Like you made up a real person like you put him in there.

Yeah, I didn't exist Yeah, very good. Very good But I get it kind of needed to move it along for a 90 minute or two hour move I get it kind of needed like this little character to like be dishing out the inside scoop that Donald Sutherland character Yeah, but in real life there was no guy. I didn't know that yeah If you knew what you would you tricked again, would you like hey motherfucker? What'd you do?

Why'd you add that guy because it's weird because like people talk about that they said hey, you know in the overstone movie Detailed all these things happen like yeah, but they also added a guy right wasn't a real guy right well I guess at the end of the day it's a fictional Is it if it's a real president who was shot by someone and you're trying to explain who and you're moving you have all these real characters Mm-hmm, then you got this one guy you just kind of shoved in there mm-hmm Yeah, I felt the the professor what was what did you call himself in the movie again? Years yeah, yeah, yeah, because I remember correctly it was him kind of just filling in the gaps and kind of tying the narrative together I believe so yeah, they used him as a tool right right right? The makeup a dude brilliant ass movie though right very good movie. I don't know what do you think happened the older stone?

I don't know I mean I think yes if I give you a hundred bucks You said all right Abby quam put bed on red or bed on black Did you think Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone or do you think that there was some sort of conspiracy involving various nefarious groups? I think Oliver stones movie is closer to the truth than obviously what the official narrative is I think that if you look at all those high profile assassinations in that era I think a lot of them are highly questionable. I mean it doesn't just stop at JFK. We're talking about RFK I don't believe that sorry at all Martin Luther King, you know, I mean all of the people there's really really sketchy things about all of them and if we were conducting The CI was conducting basically an assassination program around the world to expedite us foreign policy and imperialism Why would we not have been doing that here at home?

Mm-hmm. I mean we know that Fred Hampton was killed outright that the leader of the Black Panther Party So all of these things are kind of make more sense when you look back at history and see how kind of out of control the CIA was at that time Yeah, I mean it only makes sense that they would want to get rid of certain characters that were causing trouble Right, you know, I had Mike Baker on from who used to work He was a CIA operative and he looked into the JFK or excuse me the Martin Luther King assassination And he said that one more than any other one that he looked into seemed like something was really because James Earl Ray was like a loser So like the shifty guy and then before the assassination all of a sudden he had money all of a sudden he looked like he was Being steered and he went into great detail about it I don't remember all the details But he was shaking his head about it's like that one out of any of one that I looked into had the fingerprints of manipulation on it Well, you know about his family obviously Martin Luther King was family that had that civil trial and basically concluded that the US government had to have been Involved for the circumstances to have happened the way they did and if you look at how Martin Luther King at the time was considered the most dangerous Quote unquote in the Uro in the country. That's what the government was saying about him I mean he was hated he was loaded he was trying to basically implement like a poor people's campaign to occupy DC To get poor people economic rights. That was a that was really really threatening I think the establishment at that time also, you know, it's hard for us when we're thinking back about that era I mean, we weren't really I mean I was born 67 you were born left of that It wasn't you we don't understand that era that's a hundred years after slavery just a hundred a person's lifetime Yeah, kind of crazy, right, you know and things still hadn't been resolved and then when you look at it now I mean Juneteenth they have the congressional hearings they're talking about reparations and you see just the the Different polarized sides of how people look at it even today whether or not reparations should be given or whether or not There should be any any sort of effort to rectify the obvious if you look at the the economic strife That's in these southern cities that are primarily African-American that are really from slavery I mean, this is literally the remnants of slavery and it's never been fixed It's almost like any other problem that would be in our infrastructure any other problem There would be anything with you know Pollution or anything else that people clearly did where someone didn't fucked it up.

There's efforts made to fix it And there's discussions about this is so much resistance right ten has he coats I think his name is he was testifying there and he was saying that you know the argument is we had nothing to do with this because again It was more than a person ago. Why should we have anything to do with what slavery did and it's beyond that though as you're mentioning I mean, this is an institutionalized racism that we still see the effects of Very sharply within the prison community with him. I mean all these things and he said we were still paying out civil war soldiers families pensions Decades after that so like why why do that but not actually try to you know provide some economic justice to the black community? It's a weird conversation because it's not just a conversation about whether or not something wrong was done But it's also a racial conversation Like I've seen some weird posts like you know Chuck Willery the guy who's from the love connection will be right back in two and two That guy has turned into this like serious hardcore right wing pundit and I think it was him that was not tweeting about reparations for union soldiers for their families that died So he was saying it anymore like it was like how about these people and then like not saying how about the fucking people who's like brought over here from Chains and their great-grandchildren are alive today in the same communities What was the basis of our capitalist society?

I mean, that's why we're the richest country in the world because it was predicated on the and you know the enslavement of Africans Yeah, I don't know if you can fix it by giving people money today But I do think the money should be spent to try to fix those communities And I think that can be engineered and done and I don't hear anybody talking about it other than Tulsi Gabbard talks about it And I think Bernie Sanders it made has made some indications that something should be done Although I don't know if anybody has like a real definitive plan, but when you talk to people that have like Michael Wood who was a Baltimore police officer I've told the story before but it's crazy story he when he was a cop in Baltimore They found these papers that showed that the exact it was papers from the 1970s the exact same crimes in the exact same areas And the exact same problem areas they were dealing with in the 70s They were dealing with the 2000s and he was like what the fuck like Imagine that feeling like here you are your police officer You're putting your life on the line literally and you're out there dealing with the same problems that existed in the same exact areas and No one's ever done anything. All the time. I forget the rest of people. Yeah, I mean Tulsi and Bernie are the only candidates worth giving a shit about Dude that fucking town hall something else is how many candidates are there?

No, I feel like two other ones just jump in the race now. We have like one fucking other names You know what I'm beyond British To beta it's too close to beta it's too close He doesn't look like he would be called that but his dad actually just openly said in interviews like yeah I called him beta because I wanted him to get the Mexican vote because I knew he would eventually run for office what? His real names like Robert oh Robert Oh, Marcus Christ. That sounds like a girl People I mean these people are like a hundred shades of Hillary I mean every single one of them other than Tulsi and Bernie just seem like they're Just like Hillary Clinton light.

Well, they've all done this weird thing where they're like no straight white men like okay There's like straight white men. We're not voting for straight white men. That's just as bad as saying you're never voting for a woman It's just as bad as saying you're never voting for a black person You'd need I get it. There's been a lot of straight white men that've been present I get it right you're right but to say no straight out to disqualify someone based on something they have no control over whatsoever Is a form of discrimination?

I know you don't think it's a form discrimination because so many of these people have already had that job I get it seems unfair you're right but you can't say that because that's a shitty way of thinking it's piss poor logic and thinking It's discriminant identity politics. Yes, it rains supreme and I thought there was like a Combating supporters from Kamala Harris and Bernie at some rally or something and they just kept shouting we need a woman president It's like that's like the only reason why you like Kamala Harris, you know, I mean Kamala Harris I've saw this one speech that she was giving when she was talking about forcing children to attend school by holding their parents accountable Where she instituted a policy where if the kids miss school the parents could be arrested. Do you know about that? No, it was super disturbing It was super disturbing and she was talking about how how effective it was and that you know They had cops show up at the door of the woman's house who was a single mom who had these children the kids weren't going to school Like hey, no, she was a cop.

I mean she's a top cop exactly but that authoritative authoritarian nonsense like that way of thinking you know why you do that because no one's ever done that to you Right, so we've not done your fucking door and say hey We're gonna lock you up in jail because you're 16 year old boy when you have three kids Right, so if you're a single mom anyone who's a single mom who has a boy knows and that fucking boy hits puberty if they run with the wrong crowd Good fucking lock trying to control them good lock. Yeah hard. It's hard Yeah, real hard if she's got a job or two jobs Maybe because she's trying to put food on the table and keep the fucking lights on and you're gonna arrest her because her kid doesn't show up at school Holy shit, can you imagine looking at all the problems in our country and being like, you know what we need to arrest parents if their kids are Trilling yeah, it's it's insane. I mean make sure I'm 99% About her like regret about this policy and Because running for fucking president you should regret something right here another insane Policy going back to Robert or Robert or it is the human cost of Intrude and see the progressive prosecutor wanted to transform how California responds to students in school parents like I'm not sure.

She she people's wound up paying the price. So she this lady Oh, I remember reading this one up going to fucking child. Yeah, so yeah, there was a good reason her kid was sick or something She so better. No, let's not call him better anymore.

His name is Robert Robert Actually has a really great idea Joe. He wants to tax non-military families to pay for veterans health care What pay for veterans? Yeah, it's not nice. So punish the people who don't want to join the military.

What very smart? Robert The fucking people who make the weapons right? What's the politicians tax the defense contract? Find out what the military industrial complex is really made of find out how much money They're really making and saying hey look at you guys You made X amount of billions of dollars and look at all these guys that you know We have to fun We have to rely on charities and we have to rely on things like the wounded warrior project and all these foundations that are taking care of These veterans when you're the ones for profiting and yeah, I mean that's where the money should come from Poor and some sort of fucking insanely rich organization.

Yeah, there's stocks have like tripled in the last four years They're doing real well when we had that situation where a dick chain who was the CEO of Haliburton was giving haliburton no bid contracts to go over and fix Places that we bombed it's like what yeah that it's like a doctor breaking people's legs He can fix them. It's so crazy and then drive around a Porsche and it's fucking crazy Yeah well Trump was sitting down at some table with all the head defense contractors a couple months ago and it was after the kashoki you know dismemberment in the embassy and He was openly talking about how we cannot stop that 110 billion dollar weapons deal and you should see the just the glee on these people's faces I mean it was just it's just unbelievable how transparent it is So I'm under Trump that was a weird conversation where who was he being interviewed by oh Steve? Steve Hill my friend. I know Steve Hill.

Yeah, I got forever We're actually family friends our families gone vacations together and shit. It's a good guy Is that the fox and golden error? No, no, it's a Dad, okay, no he's British but He was interviewing Trump and they were talking about the mill and Trump was openly Discussing how these people want to go to war military industrial complex wants to go to war I mean Trump saying that you know he didn't want to do with this but that they want to go to war and it's like Like it's Trump is a weird guy because he's such a loose cannon that he says shit like that You don't that Obama would keep it is cards, you know, Obama would hide his cards, but Trump hate him or love him He gives you glimpses that you're not gonna get as far as like what kind of influence does the military industrial complex really have on policy change and decision-making And whether or not they take action and he was openly discussing it he removes the mask You know, it's it's interesting because he I think that he's talking out of both sides of his mouth because on one hand He says that kind of stuff but then on the other hand I mean he hired all the most rabid war generals and is cabinet and also just John Bolton I mean come on this is like a medical Conservative who's been fighting for war with Iran since the day he was born So it's like if you don't want more with Iran I mean he campaigned on it so we know that he hates Iran He campaigned on a ballroom the nuclear deal with Iran He picks John Bolton to lead all these efforts I mean it's like it's like starting a fire and then getting applauded and congratulated when you stop the fire at the last minute before he Rubs and takes over the whole planet and that's what would happen if we actually did bomb Iran I think that people don't understand how precarious the situation is that Trump and these cronies have laid out not just is but came So close to being now and he's just a week ago I mean, you don't think we should go to war after for bombing oil tankers and Saudi oil tankers, you know, we should go to war over that shooting down a robot. Yeah, they shot our robot That's it.

I would die for Saudi oil tankers I'd be the first one to put my body on the line There was a lot of people that were saying this seems like the Gulf of Tons to yeah, like I don't I'm not buying this at all There were so many people that were like really kind of credible people who were openly saying this stinks Like it just seems staged. It seems like some some bit. Why would they do that? It's total false flag shit going on over and over and over again They're just trying so hard because they want to provoke Iran to the point where Iran will be forced to respond And this is after suffocating Exphyxiating sanctions that are costing people's lives.

I mean, what is it for the folks that have been paying attention to this? What is it that makes them want to go to war with Iran? So we have to just look at what Iran is I mean Iran just won its independence less than a hundred years ago in an era of an wave of anti-colonial struggles And we immediately the MI6 as well as the CIA instigated a coup So we always talk about how we want Iran to have democracy they had democracy they had a revolution a people's revolution that was overthrown We overthrown Muhammad Mosidek and and stated a absolute monarchy for decades and at the time it had the highest human rights abuses Documented in the world it was pretty unique in that sense and you know You can only imagine why Iran is the way it is today And there was such a suppression of the left and of the Communist Party in Iran that the Islamic Revolutionary Revolution happened in the Ayatollah was the leader of that political movement and that's why Iran has the political system it has today But it's about the oil man It's always about the oil and it's always about the foreign domination of the region They hate that Iran is an independent country and doesn't bow down to US imperialism and US capitalism And Iran also is allies with a lot of states that Israel and the US and Saudi Arabia do not want it to be allies with you know Hezbollah Hamas And so that's that's a big problem for the US and it's getting in the way of a lot of kind of goals in the region But it's really fascinating when you look at what actually happened because you know the nuclear deal was amazing It was huge I mean Trump keeps belaboring the fact that Iran should not have nuclear weapons They didn't have nuclear weapons they never did and they were agreeing to never have them that was the Holy Ron nuclear deal But Trump just immediately rescinded that slapped insane sanctions on Iran and now you know sanctions every month just continuing to constrict their economy And even basically sanctions on threatening sanctions on China and India and other countries that actually do deals with Iran now too Which is totally insane. So once you do that and then you say well, you know, you're hitting yourself You're hitting yourself.

Why are you doing this? It's like no you're doing this to them and on top of that John Bolton keeps saying you know There's all these unique threats coming from Iran We need to surround them with all these warships and they keep sending thousands more troops thousands more troops So you're getting to a position now and now the drone right with flying a drone into Iran in airspace and expecting that they're not gonna shoot That why the fuck are we flying a drone in Iran? The fuck would we do if Iran flew a drone in here, right? I mean, it's just unbelievable the chauvinism and arrogance of the US to be doing all the shit and then be like, okay Now you guys are a belligerent threat.

We have to do something It's like no you guys are the ones encircling them in closing all of their, you know Basically just encapsulating their entire territory and threatening them over and over again Basically hoping for something to happen and if you look back at the Gulf of Tonkin There was a guy who was actually on the US s Maddox the ship that was eventually attacked And got us into the war with Vietnam and he even said My dad was on the ship and he said we had no idea why we were there and one of the generals or captains on the ship Just said they want us to be hit they want us to be attacked so they can get into a war that they want to get into And that's exactly what's going on and what's sad is whoever's in the Navy circling Iran They're gonna be the ones who fucking die when Iran does launch back They're sacrificing themselves for these generals and defense contractors profits Now there's some reason to believe that Iran is not being honest about its nuclear program, right? I mean that was one of the reasons why wasn't that what was the virus that the United States sucks net Yeah stocks net virus that they put on the Iranian nuclear program to kill it while they were in the middle of Doing whatever they do to uranium right the centrifuges for the enriching uranium I mean, yeah, that was that was also crazy. It's cyber attacks, right? Right, but the cyber attacks weren't they effective though in stopping the nuclear program?

There was like a secret nuclear program that they were doing I don't know what exactly they I don't think that there ever was a nuclear program But I know that that was another crazy thing that the US did was basically infect their thing and destroy all of this Technology, but I mean basically all we need to know is that they agreed to not develop nukes And it was all agreed from the international community and then Trump gets in there and just unravels it all and it's so dangerous because Iran would make Iraq look like child's play. Yeah, it's not a joke And I mean it's literally so precarious at this point that anything can happen and he rubbed into a full-blown war And then when Trump says oh, I pulled back the airstrike because I wanted to save 150 lives No, dude, you're starting fires all over the world and then you get applauded and you want to congratulate yourself because somehow he's still Kind of appealing to this like non interventionist line Which is just fake to me because you don't appoint the most rabid war-hungry people to surround you into carry out these policies If you don't want that to a certain extent Also created this really weird ideological rift where people were complaining that he didn't do anything People were upset that he was going to take action He didn't there was even a other drum Yeah, well that he well about the drone and about the attack of the oil tankers and that he was ready to launch And he didn't and what wasn't one of the Fox guys who was talking about the consequences of taking no actions like Brian kill me or one of those guys the media is insane But I think it's been attacking from the Democrats to the media in the Democrats always attack this administration from the right whenever there's some sort of military Involvement they always want him to bomb and go to war. It's pretty shocking I mean I guess not too shocking when you realize the corporate media is literally subsidized by like oil companies and banks and defense contractors No, I know you didn't you didn't have to deal with that at RT But what do you think happens when someone is a pundit and they're on a television show and they're talking about something that has these global implications? Do you think they get talking points?

Do you think they're allowed to express their own personal opinions or are they informed that they're supposed to tow a certain line? I think there's varying levels I think that it would be naive to say okay these people are paid to lie I think that the vast majority of people working in corporate media are lackeys for the Empire They really truly believe that you know They believe that America's the greatest country in the world They believe that we're the world's policemen They actually believe that these countries are evil and they need to be taken out to in state kind of global hegemony I truly believe that they cater to the line of American exceptionalism And that's pretty sad but also pretty dangerous because they're the perfect mouthpieces for US foreign policy I mean they essentially are stenographers for whatever the government is laying out Which is really disturbing because the premise of journalism is to actually challenge power and challenge the US government Especially when you are working in America You're an American citizen and there's all this destruction going on from on behalf of your government and you're not challenging that Especially when it's war claims, especially when you have assholes like John Bolton claiming You know all these things are happening in these channels and bodies of water and people are just like okay I mean goddamn you should see when fucking Mike Pompeo was talking about how Hezbollah was in Venezuela And these people just just printed it. They're like well Hezbollah's in Venezuela now It's like what are you talking about? You're literally just printing what the Trump administration's saying without even questioning these claims It's disturbing Do you think that the people that are talking about it on TV or just saying it because they really don't understand what they're talking about And this just seems to be a way to cover the subject in sort of a way that Is acceptable to the network and acceptable to the party and acceptable to this sort of idea whether it's left or right Whatever ideology they're participating in yes That there is definitely that as well where they know kind of the line that they can't cross so you individually believe You know you think that climate change is an existential threat you think that the Warren Yemen is a serious thing that you should address I think that you definitely get kind of knocked down in the editorial meeting Yeah before and you're just like okay.

No, I can't do that But what I can't do is just you know talk about whatever that's it's so weird The advertisers will agree with in this day and age There's not like a really respected independent source of news right that you've got some the online stuff which is There's some online stuff is very good, but some online stuff is so entangled with insults and and and bullshit and emotions and distorted perceptions and ego that it's like it sort of Discredits whatever they're trying to promote whatever ideas are trying to get across there's no Walter Cronkite There's no there's no one person who or no one organization who you emphatically trust with their perspective on the news Everything is either left or right everything is like flavored by an ideology It's right. I don't have a place that I go to that I know I can get clear unbiased Emotion-free objective analysis of any international issue, right? It doesn't exist. I don't mean unless you can tell me one.

Do you what do you get? I mean I go to real news I go to democracy now and the only reason now super left wing right left wing leaning But you think left left leaning I go to places that are not this is the problem like with capitalism and try and have an independent media that you need funding and you need funding from Like donors and grassroots sources because once you get funded by these right wing billionaires and corporations and states and governments Then it becomes very ideologically driven and then you're kind of just catering toward what those interests want you to present And I that's why the Empire files does what it does It's we're basically based on donations now because Trump sanctions on Venezuela shut down the show a year ago So we did a big donation drive and that's a major Patreon we're on GoFundMe and just PayPal but we're just trying to survive on a very minimal budget because I don't want to take You know I don't want to like lobby to corporations or states or go that route because I don't want to I don't want to answer to anyone Other than myself, but then you just come with a whole host of problems. You're not getting your message out there I mean that's why it's incredible for you to have me on but that's why the fake news mantra resonated so much with the Trump campaign because people are extremely disillusioned with the corporate media, you know, New York Times watching and post these so-called beltway publications that pretend to be like the Arbitrators of our objective reality they they are the premier advocates of fake news when it comes to US foreign policy You know American exceptionalism and corporations and like the corporate line They're always the ones towing the things that basically prop up the system and so I think people you know became really really Just attracted to that whole fake news mantra that Trump was saying because people have an extreme distrust in the corporate media because of the Iraq War because of all these things that have happened But as you know and as you've talked about extensively Joe this wave of censorship This happened in the last two years since Trump got elected because of Russian propaganda and fake news hysteria Yeah And it just propped up these same institutions and it's really just gone after a lot of alternative independent media that have gone by the Wayside yeah, and you know people who have been propped up by right wing billionaires and billionaires in general are not going to be affected At the end of the day, but all the people who have been caught up in this censorship with the algorithms with the deplatforming It's really scary. It's really really scary.

What's happened? It is scary to me because the internet in my eyes is this unique place where people can get information and distribute information and then on top of that you have this almost parasitic entity that is Allowing you to distribute information and gather information through it But also controlling the flow of information and then controlling the flow in its own ideological bend like what to sort of match its own Ideas of what shouldn't happen. I think they feel justified by having a guy like Trump in office having a guy like Trump coming to office And I go we have to do something about that. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna silence conservative voices We're gonna silence conservative pundits.

We're gonna silence We'll call people outright and just change our algorithms to make it much more difficult for them to propagate for them to propagate their ideas I just find that really distressing because I think that in the marketplace of ideas You're supposed to be able to combat a bad idea with a better idea and this is how we this is how ideas evolve This is how people get to communicate you get to look at what someone's saying look at someone how someone's dissecting what someone's saying And then for yourself figure out what you believe and what you don't believe and there should be a free exchange of information So that you can figure that out and when you show when someone's shown to be a bad actor or a liar or show have deceptive news fake news Whatever you want to call it. Okay now We know and this is a clear example of that so now take it with a grain of salt whenever they say anything about anything else When you deplatform them and shove them aside They say see they're trying to silence us because they don't believe us or they don't they don't want us to be in power because they're trying to Prop up whatever left-wing socialist economy that they're dictated that they want to put into place And it's this weird sort of situation where you've got people dictating and almost engineering our culture right here eating our melody You know what's going on in Toronto with with alphabet the parent company of Google no so very disturbing thing to a lot of people where they're essentially Setting up blocks and they're putting cameras in these places and they're gathering data and information and they're trying to engineer a utopian city Yeah, I was reading about it yesterday, and I was like no Like this is terrible. It's so terrifying What if these people don't want to be filmed? What if these people don't want information gathered about them like they're doing it under the guise of here it is Alphabet's plan for Toronto depends on huge amount of data.

Yeah, we need more data collection data My name their idea is that they're going to make it easier for people to get around and smoother, but how I don't know facial recognition I love how they always say oh people are being sex trafficked and this will help It's like no dude This is like point zero zero zero one percent of all the people that your you know data mine says sidewalk's labs released more detailed plans for Toronto The site of Google sister companies first attempt to bring its Techified digital forward sensibility to a full-scale development project the sidewalk's lab sidewalk labs projects dates to 2017 when the Canadian City welcomed Company to an undeveloped section of its waterfront now after 18 months of speculation work Especially working backlash from local advocates the company has a 1,524 page master plan for the 12 12 acre lot called quayside first of all Hey, what is it? Was quayside for volume plan highlights ambitions and sometimes flash innovations from sidewalk labs Which is played pledge to spend 1.3 billion on the project that goes forward the company hopes to construct all the buildings with timber Which it says is better for the environment also catches fire and build an underground Numatic numatic tube system for garbage removal It wants residents to lean on public transit walking and biking rather than personal vehicles good luck It's fucking zero degrees in Toronto as well and plans to build streets with autonomous vehicles perhaps from a sister company waymo They're listen Well, we know what we know is no no any delivery robots might trundle down its wide sidewalks It's a strategic use of large very large umbrella like coverings might make outdoor spaces comfortable all year round No small feet in lakeshore Canada sidewalks sidewalk wants to designate 20% of its of the apartments to as affordable and another 20% as in middle income So they're engineering here. Yeah, this is by people who are really just openly social justice warriors I mean, these are the people that censored that James Demore guy and fired him for having this memo Well that really kind of discussed women in tech based on evolutionary biology based on studies And they said that he was highlighting harmful gender stereotypes It's not true. It's not accurate if you look at what he actually said what he actually wrote even at a page and a half Dedicated in that memo trying to come up with strategic ways to encourage women to get into technology the study that the paper that James Demore wrote Has no relation to the way he's been framed in the way people talk about him This is a direct result of Google and Google's social justice warrior Sort of ethos like the way they operate as a company well Google pretends to be you know, don't be evil This is this seems an algorithmic shape of a Which is why the fuck would you ever put that down?

They're like, okay, we're evil now, but this just seems like they like plugged in some shit in algorithm They're like, all right. This is our city now like we're there creating sins control I mean Google I agree with David Pacman's kind of depiction on Google I think that they're a giant corporation they have billions offshore in tax havens and they are not liberal They appear to be liberal because that's capitalism You're trying to basically adapt to where society is at and you want to pretend like you are socially conscious But when you look at their actual policies their conservative is fuck. I mean they actually fund a lot of crazy like cope brother Alec they fund a lot of right wing organizations the federalist society. They've given huge grants too So I think that they're kind of playing both sides D regulation to lobby for kind of the deregulation of their industry So I think that all of the perception in the mantra of Google and YouTube and you know catering to like The social consciousness and and you know what you're talking about I think is honestly just to make more money well sure they're gonna make more money in the process of doing this But the idea that they're gonna engineer a city to me is terrifying.

That's insane I just don't I don't like it You know there was a great podcast that Sam Harris did with the guy who was explaining What Google has essentially done and what they've done with data the data is essentially a commodity that we didn't know was a Commodity and we all gave up our rights to this commodity and this commodity turns out was worth billions and billions of dollars And no one had any idea and they just took it and now they have it and they have it and what are they giving you for this? They let you search things like what are they giving you for this? Let's use their email like it's it's kind of crazy They search your email for certain keywords and all of a sudden, you know You look at for a patio chair and like I'm looking at patio chair and also your fucking Google mentions a filled patio Chosey sent an email really really creepy or just talk about something and it's yeah. Yeah, yeah, um my guest yesterday My friend will Harris he was talking about trading in his car and he got a fucking text message a text message They said hey, I hear you're looking to trade in your car So you know here here's a here's a link as to what you could get for it He goes I'm not clicking that fucking link like a text message where they link showed up on his phone because of something he was talking about He wasn't even talking on the phone.

That's crazy really really scary. It's fucking saying. No, that's not terrifying I don't know how that happens right if you and I were talking right now And you said I need a new laptop and you started getting laptop ads and your Google feed what is happening? Is your phone listening to you say that?

Yeah? Yeah? I was like oh no, I mean it comes through everything I mean that's so fucking scary and Apple is the best at it in terms of like not giving up your data It's one of the reasons why I still use an iPhone support Apple Apple goes out of their way to not share your data when you use maps That's why Apple maps suck. It's one of the reasons why it's not good.

There's a fucking great article that was written about it They called Apple maps the Bing of of navigation tools. It's like you know being the search engine for who the fuck uses that I use a Windows laptop. I mean being fuck out here with it. Yeah, yeah, it's Google's better Right, so you just go automatically use it but Google's just cool No, and all the going back to this whole like text censorship thing They preemptively changed the algorithm That's so scary to me is that there wasn't even a law, you know like China we all know that China sensors the Internet We've done the same thing here But people just think that we still have freedom of information that we can all access all these things No, I mean Google YouTube is owned by Google now, but they preemptively changed the algorithms They back-paged all of this progressive media independent media So it wasn't just about what they're saying.

It's about I mean this this was targeted to basically all extreme views Everything that they felt like was too radical I mean going back to the DNI report which is where this all started from this kind of conclusive report that they said these 17 intelligence agencies You know here's here's all the evidence of how Russia colluded and cost the election for Hillary They cited my show on breaking on breaking the set that you did it. Yeah, they said I was part of the conspiracy of Russian meddling Did you Russian? Are you a Russian? I'm sorry But in the report it said She fomented radical discontent and when you look at what all this is sewing discord all of these you know the black box algorithm from Hamilton 68 dashboard Like this US government funded Twitter Crawler that just like determines what's Russian propaganda what's fake news and then you have you know Facebook working with the Atlantic Council Which is an organization stacked with literal spooks cops CIA heads and defense contractors UAE US government?

That's who's like curating our reality now and it's all about Expunging the most radical views on the internet to prop up essentially the system in the establishment and that's why I know it's not a liberal or conservative thing It's literally just extremist thought and radical thought that challenges the status quo because sewing discord just means disagreement That's what they said. This was about these websites. So discord. Joan I mean that's I thought that was a fundamental thing about American democracy is that you talk about what we disagree on and when you look at What the report says of what breaking the set covered?

That wasn't in the report you were on there talking about Aliens But because I talked about things like inequality and occupy Wall Street and Hillary Clinton That was all part of this grand conspiracy to sew discord on behalf of the Russian government So it becomes very comical once you you know kind of poke at the underlying narrative driving Where of a renamed arrest is work? Did you ever pay attention? No? She was on my podcast and she detailed what the IRA did the internet research in Russia and it was really fascinating They set up like a fake black lives matter account And and then they would talk about how as black Americans We can't vote for Hillary Clinton because of this and they started they developed these communities these right really large Online pages where there was on Facebook or Instagram or whatever it was where they spoke as like a southern separatist or as a Muslim Yeah, I mean that doesn't something and they develop these communities and they develop these communities and they would set up these Organizations and then they would have events where they had one where they had a Texas the session event directly across the street from a Muslim pride event and they did it on purpose So they would fight they put him across the street from each other organize these Facebook pages and these events and these people Show up these people that are Texas except we should lay the union You know we can't Texas is a republic and then they have these other people online They want like Muslim rights and they want the Sharia law and they put them right next to each other Yeah, they're they're literally engineering argument and they're engineering fighting and the idea was that someone wanted this to this idea of Promoting discord, right?

They wanted arguments They wanted to fuck with our democracy and then they could shift it just a little bit by doing this by having these arguments by pretending that they're there For LBGT q rights, but they're really not but they're really just some Russians are just you know talking shit and that this is what we Do we need to radicalize had antifa groups? They don't right? Right? I mean Israel and Saudi Arabia do the same thing except we do it.

Yeah, so I Know it's fascinating that we just focus on Russia when my god. This is happening on every front I mean look at going back to Pete Buttigieg I don't know what you say his name, but he has like hundreds of sock puppet accounts that are all like propping each other up on Oh my god, I just saw it's like blacks for Pete Buttigieg gays for Pete Buttigieg It's like all he's making these his I mean I guess he thought that that was I don't know injected with corporate money that he's just like all right Make a hundred sock puppet accounts. It's like everyone does this shit But when we focus in on just Russia and then of course you have the removal of you know Syrian accounts You have the removal of promoduro accounts on Twitter Why is it only that we're talking about our so-called enemies that these are the people who are selling discord and foam and Radical discontent what about all the other countries that you know we do it all over the world? What all the other countries that are doing the same thing so if he really does have these sock puppet accounts that are doing this They're pretending that these are just fans.

You know that's that's some sleazy shit. Yeah, it's sleazy as hell. I mean That's sleazy is again in my opinion. That's a dirty shit You're pretending you're a person who's just an independent person supporting you and really just is an employee who's there for some propaganda purposes Especially like the identity politics thing like all of the different groups You know marginalized groups support you.

Yeah, it's all fake. Well, the crazy You saw that town hall after the shooting a cop shot sky and Everyone's saying how the fuck are you gonna run for president? I can't even run a city right? Yeah, does he have a job?

This is what I'm confused. I have jobs right? Why are you running for president giant jobs who's running the city right? Well, he's there what's going on.

Yeah, imagine right? If I just say hey during this I'm not gonna do this podcast anymore I'm gonna go get a Brian Cowan. He's gonna be meeting now on Like what people Like build a blazio it's like you have a fucking city to run. Yeah, why are you running for president?

How can you the fucking Metro's falling apart? How much time do you spend actually being married? Yeah, I'm right back. Do they just want the book deals.

They want to go on the view They want a reason to be relevant. It's disgusting. It's pretty gross. It should be illegal Megan McCain really should be if you really should quit your fucking job Whatever you have and dedicate 100% of your time to doing that If you think that you could have that first of all everyone knows what a grueling thing it is to run for president It is a fucking time-consuming right massive commitment to your energy.

Yeah, how can you do that and also be the mayor of South Bend? Yeah, you just have to be on the phone begging for donations when you're not you know jumping on tables like Robert O'Rourke is all of the country It's a lot of work. Yeah, there's no way you run that city right? I don't fucking crazy these people's egos.

I mean they say that Trump is this existential threat that he's an ex Hitler He's mentally incapacitated yet They all jump in the race because they think they're the smartest people in the world so it's like Really? Yeah, they're pulling so low drop out do this is all to try to prevent Bernie from winning Really is who makes sense to you? Bernie is my guy Bernie's my guy through and I'll tell you why because a we need Medicare for all we need to abolish student debt and that shit You just tax Wall Street gambling done Medicare for all cut the military budget done I don't want to live in a country where people are rationing insulin I don't want to live in a country where half of the go-fundly campaigns are because people are gonna die if they don't get donations for health care What is wrong with this country? But back to Bernie, I mean you look at the last 30 years of political advocacy This is a guy who's been saying the same thing for 30 straight years No matter if it's veterans rights about Gulf War syndrome About just a political revolution is needed I mean he's been talking about that since he won the Senate seat initially and you can't really say the same thing about any other candidate and I do like what Tulsi Gabrit is saying and I do like some of the things Elizabeth Warren saying but it seems like she's just making Up on the fly and adopting kind of Bernie light policies And I think this is all a strategy to siphon all the delegates away from Bernie because we already know this third way corporate Wall Street funded organization that's like corporate Democrats have said they want anyone but Bernie Bernie is the biggest threat to the establishment by far Did you see when Charlemagne called Elizabeth Warren the original Rachel Dolez out?

Oh my God It's easy. She's not just a chance. No, she doesn't have a chance with the Trump's shit No, all from has to say is Pocahontas over and over again. It's hilarious to me as I say Pocahontas is racist It's a fucking Disney movie.

How can Pocahontas be racist? Really really screwed up. That's a big fuck up. It's a really big one up getting the DNA test I am 200 times more African than she is Native American I'm 1.6.

I'm a people man. I think you go of these people. It's like she's just so upset that Trump Yeah, I mean I so nuts that she went and got jobs saying she was Native American I mean, yeah, it's one thing to say I've Native American blood. It's another thing And I don't know how much you know ancestry Native American ancestry she has but I do know that she was you know That was unlike her Harvard.

Yeah, bio and all this stuff. And it's just like what is going on? What's going on James talked about it? He thought he was a lot of people thought he was my wife thought she was my wife thought she was a part of Native American Though she got a DNA done fucking fucking liars.

You know what Warren's more Native American than that wife? That was the thing I think I was still more Native American But that was the thing where people were like they wanted to be spiritual they would say they were part Native American They want to be extra cool. Well, my Native American blood. Oh, I can smell when wolves are coming You know, like you put your ear to the ground.

No one's in the rain They were more connected in nature. It's like some weird thing. I remember in high school like when kids wanted to be cool They would say they were part Native American like wow well the Native American community came out after she got the DNA test And they said this is not this does not make you native native is much more than like whatever percentage of your blood I mean native is a you know, it's a way of life. It's a culture and it was really kind of Gross that whole thing was just bizarre.

What was gross is even after the testing? She was trying to use that as proof that she was correct and then people who analyze the data like are you fucking great? You know small this percentages This is an insanely small percentage But she was saying that Trump need to give her a million dollars because of the fact that she did take the test like it was insulting To the native community was embarrassing all around and it was also just weird that she even did it at the behest of Trump Like why did you do that you got you? You got you but he had she had to do it because he kept saying it over and over again I feel like she's a politician and I say that in the most unflattering of terms I feel like she's one of those people that just says what needs to be said in order to get it exactly That's exactly where I don't get that impression from Tulsi at all I don't I don't feel like that's who she is.

I feel like she's a veteran who did two tours in the Middle East and Who's a congresswoman from Hawaii who really wants to do good? I mean, I really do think that what she said she doesn't take any corporate money None she wants this she wants this job because she thinks she can do a better job than what has been done before and the other People that are running for it. I really believe her. I mean, she's she makes sense to me What do you think about Bernie?

I like a lot of things Bernie says. Mm-hmm. You know one of things interesting now The people are mad at him. He's rich right?

I'm a lot of money off his book. You go write your own book. I mean there's a lot of you know Criticisms of people lobby against him what I like about him socially is that what he is standing for is the downtrodden He's standing for the people that are that don't catch a good break when he starts talking about things like income inequality I always say I'm like, okay Understand what you're doing and why you're saying it but what is the cause of income inequality? Like what that's what we need to find out.

We need to find out what's the cause like why why are these poor communities the way they are and What that needs to be helped that needs to be fixed? There's so much that can be done. It's not being done And at least he seems to be he seems to be calling out to the people that are that are ignored that you know Right aren't aren't being served by Wall Street, right? I mean a big problem is when automation happened wages stopped going up with inflation and then credit subsidized all of the Wages and that's why people are just in debt credit credit companies were you know up to our ears and debt and that and he does talk about that And he talks about the solutions to that, but you're totally right I mean what other candidate of these 25 people are Disgusting things that are gonna reach like a populist you know have a populist I'm reaching people like what Andrew Yang is saying and he again like Tulsi does not seem like a politician I believe him he's an entrepreneur and a businessman and he's warning everyone He's like the fucking Paul Revere of automation.

He's like you know look artificial intelligence is coming and you're gonna be out of jobs The fucking half the country's gonna be out of jobs and we can actually figure out a way to get through this and there's a bridge that We can make and through this universal income universal basic income You can develop a bridge where you can give people their basic needs food water shelter give them food like make sure that no one's starving That we even though people are out of jobs make sure that their needs are met So then they can go and find a way through this mess and then figure out a way to contribute and make an income and make a living and adjust But to have nothing to have nothing like what is that like right? You can't just have people out of work because of automation and people go back to the industrial age well Hey that happened during this and that and yeah, okay It didn't but it didn't work out well for all those fucking people that lost those jobs back then and we shouldn't have to go through that Massive chaotic situation again if there's a way to engineer a better way through it I don't know if universal basic income works You know I've talked to a lot of people to think like He was on my podcast recently and his perspective is it doesn't give people meaning and it's not a good idea Because you need a life if you want people to be happy and you want to be able to do something They need to have meaning in their time what they do just to give people money is not gonna make people happy I think it's a band-aid. Yeah, I think it's a band-aid I agree with the concept that Yang proposes about UBI But yeah, I think that if we give people like health care and have their basic needs met Then that it's gonna give them the ability in them like to maneuver to find their passion Yes able to have that space where they can fulfill their lives Yes, and I think there's a way to do both there's a way to find meaning and have your needs kept I mean the idea is that You know It's I don't think that people should get free money to the point where they could live a full rich life and go on vacations And have a nice car and a nice house never have to work again. It doesn't make any sense You should you should contribute right everyone should contribute But if you're in a job that's gonna be completely annihilated by automation and artificial intelligence It makes sense that as a community as a culture We should figure out a way to give people money so that they can have a place to live and food and then try to come up with and sort of Engineer some sort of a program to help people find new ways of income new ways of making living I don't know what that would be you know And when I talked to Tulsi about that she didn't know what that would be either this idea of trying to promote new jobs People say that we're gonna we're gonna create new jobs like I hate that expression like what does that mean if there's not a job?

How are you gonna create it in? Well look at our infrastructure. I mean god damn it's all that way. I mean good God We've been giving an F like every year by the army corps of engineers saying shit's fallen apart Dude, I mean look at the new deal look at how what FDR did and that's what Bernie keeps saying He's like I'm literally in stating an economic bill of rights that FDR did a hundred years ago Why am I considered radical extremists when I'm just trying to get people basic economic rights and trying to propose jobs to rebuild this country?

Yeah, what happened to that promise that Trump loved you during the campaign We want to you know he talked about our infrastructure crumbling what the hell's been done on that front nothing and also that That was the big one is the economy like the debt rather like how much we're in debt We're in debt more. Oh my god. Yeah crippling 1.6 trillion for student debt alone That's insane. What do you think about the people that are calling out to try to eliminate student debt?

I'm a hundred percent on board because possible absolutely and you just tax Wall Street gambling literally that can do it alone You do not have to say so we mean by Wall Street and Bernie laid it all out He just read this morning on the way here so I don't know the full proposal, but Wall Street just makes you know billions of dollars I don't know how often but just like betting on these trading and shit like Wall Street Just makes so much money and if we just taxed Wall Street or you know Like you're talking about taxing these defense contractors or actually trying to change laws to not have these corporations hide billions of dollars offshore and tax havens it solves all of these problems pretty quickly and It's not a matter of how can we do it? It's a matter that we have to do it because students are totally crippled There's no opportunities in this country inequality is the highest that it's been since the Great Depression and that's a huge problem We're not gonna be able to get people Opportunities at all or a better life. It's also so crazy that you do that to people that are 17 years old Right they don't have any idea what it's gonna be like to be 35 and be quarter million dollars Did your parents have student debt? Yeah, they did yeah my step my stepfather was in debt when he graduated from school It just seems like it's getting so exponentially worse.

Yeah, I mean he handled it But it's what you have today if you don't have any if you don't have any grants and you just try to go to school based on you know Unloans Great fits in was here What was he saying is kids were it was 60 plus thousand dollars a year for each one of his kids Two thousand I think a year yeah, and then there's each one of his kids and then there's no jobs once you go and you know Right, right? I mean especially if you have anything technologically related the idea that at the end of four years the technology is gonna be relevant It's great exactly and then here's the crazy thing like we all know that kids and human beings their front cortex doesn't even fully develop at the time They're 25 until they're 25 Wow, I don't wait too much We I'm so lucky that I always smoke weed like maybe six times before I was 30. Hey, yeah, when I was 30 I became a stoner I was not a pot headed off I was for losers I thought it's me because and a lot of people that don't smoke pot think that they think it just makes you Lazy and stupid but being lazy and stupid turns out makes you lazy and stupid right right turns out it was not the pot That was you yeah, I tell everybody just don't do it when you're a kid or if you do do it Don't do it often right that I mean if you I don't think it's you know like if you're fucking 18 years old You smoke weed once in a while yeah, I don't think you're fucked up But but like everyday stoners is terrible for you. It's just you're in a fog you need to be able to deal with reality But what in it like how we say it's a tool use it use it correctly right don't you know don't try to do everything with a fucking hammer?

Sometimes you need a screwdriver sometimes you need to saw don't just batter your fucking life with weed right but occasionally you smoke a weed I smoke a joint rather and you know you have a meal with a friend you feel like more close to them Communications fun you're warm and friendly. It's like it's a great I don't call the drug because I don't like that expression this blanket They throw over amphetamines and sedatives and all these different things you throw marijuana in there It's it's a sacrament and I think it should be used in the most general and lightest use of that term as a sacrament I like to use it. I like to use it for certain things, but it's definitely not something you should use all the time It's definitely not something you should use as a kid You know and I see a lot of kids that are smoking every day. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I mean it's used as a crutch more and more because I'm out what's going on sure but hey better than pills right You know better than alcohol my god dude I just read something about how suit death by suicides is going up in the US and it's going down in almost every other country in the world It's like what is a uniquely fucked up problem everything man. I mean it's the same reason why so many people aren't all It's the same reason why people are dying on you know Odean on prescription pills It's like America is uniquely fucked in so many Reasons and I think it's it can be the lack of health care It's it's that we're you know the center of global capitalism. I mean there's a lot of reasons why it's the empty Materialistic yep, yeah, it's an empty pursuit right when you get there.

It doesn't doesn't feel good You just like you just keep trying to chase in more and gather more things just like that study that shows like there's a cap on happiness It's like it doesn't make you happier when you have more money at a certain point right yeah 100% I mean I agree with that doing something you love is what makes you have having good friends and having family and people that you love That makes you happy doing things that you find rewarding, you know and helping people That's the weird one like helping people makes people happy and it's so kind right like people like yeah You look out for yourself to take your business right right turns out no yeah No, no looking out for other people it's like super rewarding like it's a selfish thing to be generous and kind Selfish in a way because it really helps yourself Well, that's the whole mantra of growing up in America is you need to help yourself and you're a loser if you don't get rich and all This is all these impossible You know goals that we can't do without actually helping each other know the biggest losers rich people are sad right God damn right you're rich And you're still depressed you're super successful and you're still depressed like wow you built a shitty house like your foundation sucks You know me cuz like your foundation who you are as a person like the way you treat people the way you view the world the way you love Your friends and your family like that's your foundation and if you become successful and you have that foundation I feel like you can still be happy But if you become successful and you just shit that foundation away because you just want to make it I'm just gonna make it fuck all that stuff. I don't eat that I don't need love I don't even that and then you make it and you're sitting there alone Yes, it's like a fucking tomb That's why I think that's why a lot of people like Trump because they think of him like I've actually heard this term like a blue collar Billionaire it's like what he was given a million if everyone's given a million dollars from their papi It's a couple million yeah couple million from their daddy. Yeah, you probably have a lot better off small loan of a couple million bucks No big deal. Yeah, I'm believable dude to him.

That is a small loan now. That's what's really bizarre Yeah, he's some I think Matt Taiby described him best He's like what a stupid poor person thinks of as a rich person. Oh my god Yeah, and his ideas just to throw money at everything like the Palestine is really do you see Jared Kushner's whole layout of like this Is a new peace plan? No.

Oh my god. It's literally just let's give them Jobs meaning let's have corporations like basically profit off the occupation was interesting to me is that even right-wing Trump supporters in particular should say right-wing Trump supporters do not seem to like them do not seem to like Jared Kushner or They don't like the fact that his daughter is working at the White House and that the son-in-law is there running things like they're very Disturbed by that they don't like that. Yeah, nepotism Yeah, well what's weird is they just blow with the fucking win man I saw Fahrenheit eleven nine totally recommended to everyone is listening Michael Moore's newest documentary Oh my god, it's amazing But the first 20 minutes just shows like how Hillary lost and it shows that Jared Kushner actually lobbied to have sicko in theaters all across I mean he was for socialized medicine and he was like working hand in glove with Michael Moore to roll this out It just shows you how fickle they are and like how they just have no actual values trying to make money Yeah, it's super weird to them together. It makes it's very strange.

I think they do no I think he turns off in a cup She gets dirty dirty dirty words in there and she kicks him How in fair nine eleven nine he shows up just how bizarre inappropriate Trump is with a bonk But there's this one talk show where the host is just like a bonk as she's like what do you have most in common with your dad? And she's like real estate and golf and she's like Trump what do you have most in common with the bonk and he's like well I would say sex Whoa, yeah, it's like what what father says that well What you have most in common with your baby sex That's it just in common what that's it's super just Freudian like I want to fuck her But I can't because she's my daughter's he just says so many crazy things I just I think that guy is just always talking you know and when you're always talking over kid Chances really contemplate what you're saying you're so just talking and then once you talk like so many times during the campaign trail It just seems like he would say things and then you would just have to like justify what he said You know what I've done that when I was younger I would say something stupid and then I would have to try to figure out a make that stupid thing makes sense right right right Trump's just constantly goes 20 Seven-year-old man Favorite thing you have in common with your father either real estate or golf Donald's with your daughter well I was going to say sex, but I can't really That's the crazy thing is he thought about it and decided he wasn't gonna say I was going to say Wendy Williams and he wanted people scream Why to say just a good opportunity to say sex Oh The whole montage of creepy shit that he said like he would date her you know when she was a baby He was actually gonna grow up and hopefully have big tits or whatever like he said And he hates Tiffany he hates Tiffany because she is not because she's not attractive. Oh, that's the one Yeah with Marla maples is that the other daughter good good point I don't actually know who Tiffany's I mean think he had her with the Marla who's very attractive so it's weird that is weird Yeah, some sort of a cross-and-bread And bread reading But he just pretends like she doesn't exist it's kind of sad Well, you're gonna do he's look I don't know how to fucking pay attention to anything I don't understand how a president is still a job I mean it was a great job when Lincoln was running things, you know And probably extremely chaotic, but with today's economy when you're dealing with all these different threats to the environment Cyber threats the economy all the shit they have to deal with the idea that one person is supposed to be the general manager of the country It's absurd absurd and the partnering power usually that's supposed to be like sympathy pardons for people like Chelsea Manning Yeah, not for war criminals who have killed a bunch of civilians. Yeah, what is I mean?

I'm basically saying has he done that yet is he's he's talking about it. This is the seal Yeah, this is like more than just the seal I mean he's he's contemplating actually partnering in a sir square massacre blackwater employees It's like what the fuck is going on here, but that's to me That's like sending a message to soldiers like act like Isis and you'll be fine all part in you Hmm meanwhile look at what he's doing to join the songe. Yeah, this is like going beyond the John's thing is weird Because I thought that he would be a guy that would want Julian Assange out talking out of both sides of his mouth He said how many times during the campaign trail wiggly leaks? I love wiggly leaks.

Yeah, but then you look back before the campaign He said Julian Assange to get the death penalty on Fox and friends back in the day But again, I think you probably thought about that a micro second before he said it and then how to justify it right? I mean, it's just like he's just talking crazy probably had a cup of coffee for Red Bulls two diet pills It's one out there and So scary though. I mean Assange that it's beyond the pale because now you're not just prosecuting whistleblowers with the S.B. No, you're actually prosecuting publishers.

That's like a whole level of direct assault on the first on journalism I mean he's a legitimate journalist in that regard what he's doing is he's distributing information People that is literally gonna change the way people view the way the government and the military works It's I mean, it's incomprehensible how much the world has changed and what we are aware of because of wiggly leaks Revelations in the past 10 years I mean even just the film that I just made Gaza fights for freedom I I cite a wiggly cable about how Israel wanted Hamas to win in Gaza and they said that they were strategizing for that to happen So then they can regard Gaza as a hostile territory and then just relentlessly bomb them That was because of wiggly leaks. I found that out because of that I mean I can't believe what is going on because people I didn't I don't think that people really knew that Trump would take these powers and Become so authoritarian with them. Well, what's disturbing to me is what wiggly leaks used to be something that people on the left With sight as evidence that the military was out of control or the military industrial complex is out of control Then because they feel like somehow another wiggly leaks was involved in helping Trump They became a Russian mouthpiece and and a traitor I mean like the left over the last few years in particular since the since 2016 Wiggly leaks has been sort of read sort of redefined They're conflating Julian Assange's personal politics and I don't know what those are I know that he had those private DMs with Trump jr Which looked bad, but what we say to Trump jr He was talking to him about you know We need your tax returns so that people don't think of us as like a biased organization and it would look good and kind of like You know a little too buddy buddy with Trump jr But that does not take away from the importance and you know validity of what wiggly leaks is as an organization It's also a person very crucial to another person giving their opinion which makes sense people just really don't like join us on As a person and it doesn't matter how much you hate joining Assange This is completely beyond the pale what's going on to him and it's it's he needs to be defended his rights need to be defended and very few people are Defending in the sea with the orange what's crazy is these charges that just got unveiled with the Trump administration They're trying to extradite him to the u.s Of course And he'll just be sitting in a cell for the rest of his life if he doesn't face the death penalty But the charges have nothing to do with the 2016 election at all What they all have to do with the the massacre the collateral That's what it has to do with it has to do with the same thing that Chelsea Manning was in jail for releasing to him And so they've just trumped up all these charges based on him publishing war crimes And that's really what this is it's publishing war crimes and embarrassing the u.s. Empire and what is the what are they saying?

What are they calling it like what is the actual they're saying that he helped Chelsea Manning hack into I forget It's like some sort of charge that it's basically concocted They're saying that he helped Chelsea Manning basically released the information him and that's how he's part of the conspiracy It's total bullshit completely concocted He he's a political prisoner and he needs to be freed and it's absolutely astounding that the Trump administration is doing this and that people are going along with it I see people applauding this it's sick. It's weird. It's weird It's weird the shift in how people used to defend him and now no longer do and nothing really has changed in terms of what he's actually done It was a traumatic election and people's reptile brains got activated hard core Yeah, and they think everything is Russia and they think Julian Assange is Russia And they think anyone who's talking about what us foreign policy is towing the Russian line towing the Kremlin line It's not about the people who control this government It's the dark evil forces behind your friends and family and the people who are talking about you know sewing discord and gin And that's it's a disturbing time because it's hard to relate and actually have these discussions with people Yeah, I think you nailed it when you said the 2016 elections have sort of awakened this reptile brain because that's what it seems Like you're seeing you see so many people that think that there's a war going on like a war in this country Right instead of discussing things they don't want to discuss they want to shut things down That's part of I think some of the motivation behind this in justification for de-platforming people and wiping them out like remove them Get them out, you know, we're at war right now. We have to fix this.

We have to get a woman president We have to get a gay man, you know, like this kind of shit that you see like they feel like they're in ideological war That's why identity politics is so fascinating because it's just been adopted by the establishment by the liberal wing of the establishment to try to like trick people That were somehow a progressive society that it's all just like corporatism with you know under the flag in the banner of like social politics and identity politics and it's completely absurd I mean with Barack Obama, we thought that we were in a post racial society because we had a black president And we know that that's absolutely a falsehood So I just think that we're just going down the wrong path here and neo-liberalism has really Done a number on this country in the world and we're gonna see kind of more authoritarian fascist policies take root because people are really down and out with with how capitalism has morphed and Has strangled basically the economy. It's really disturbing because you know, you're looking at like left identity politics But it's under the banner of capitalism. So really it's just about privatization Neoliberalism is just about privatization. So it's not about like leftist, you know, socialist politics even you look at something like Bernie Sanders He's not a socialist.

He's a democratic socialist, which means that he just wants social democracy He's not talking about abolishing private industries not talking about nationalizing anything He's just talking about having workers have a seat at the table and getting the fair share So we're just kind of we've gone off the wayside of like rhetoric And we just have no idea how to talk about these things in like a fair way because things are so heated and ideological and people are just blinded I think and and don't really understand these issues well enough and it's really disturbing because we're at a point in our country where we need to Have conversations. We don't just want sound bites But going back to the censorship stuff and the consolidation of corporate media people don't have the platform They don't have the voice to get these ideas out there, which is why your show is so important I mean having people like me like Tulsi. I mean bringing out these concepts and and shifting the consciousness is very very important Well, I think that when people are hearing the same thing Over and over and over again from one side and then an opposite view over and over again from another side It's it's very difficult to have an understanding of what the fuck's going on It's very confusing to most people and I think they tend to either Just give up or they tend to just find whatever side seems to get them the most social credit or the most most reasonable Perspective in their terms like whether it's left wing or right wing and then just support that just just give into that and then just have this Pattern that they adopt this this conglomeration of opinions They adopt and then they're so busy with their jobs so busy with their families so busy with their life And then all this other shit when you're seeing you know Deregulation all this other shit you're seeing when the stuff that caused the banking crisis This stuff all this stuff is going on and it's going on without their knowledge It's all happening underneath the surface and then something erupts like the economic collapse of 2007 2008 And they're like what the fuck is happening now this happened I didn't see this coming now the economy crashes and then we have to buy out all these fucking banks And then it rebuilds back up and people are still doing the same goddamn thing They're still working and trying to get ahead and trying and then all this is happening behind the scenes And it's so incredibly difficult to pay attention to all of it Of course Really develop a nuanced perspective of what the problems are how to fix them and then who is actually going to support a real tangible solution? Versus who's just saying some Elizabeth Warren type shit to get elected Well, that's why we need a real mobilization of the streets because there's no person who's going to change this There's no top-down you know implementation That's really gonna revolutionize society and get people living wage and get people health care Even Bernie said I'm not gonna be able to do this I need you to come out to get my back But yeah, I mean there's nowhere in the country that you can live if you're living on minimum wage and actually a 42 bedroom apartment I mean that's the reality here But when we bailed out the banks in 2008 no one had a fretted about how we're gonna pay for that I mean it was just it was just kind of understood okay we're gonna pay and Give the banks the bail out.

What about fucking us? Yeah, don't we deserve a bailout? What about the people? No That's too big to fail the banks failed and the people fail That's unbelievable man and all this shit that we're spending the Venice wayless shit all these sanctions it is The Venice really cool.

I mean were you following that was insane Well, I was following it as much as you were sort of putting on as much you were putting a very alternative view As opposed to like what we're saying and either left or right wing publications You were and you faced a lot of resistance because of that right right but you were there yes Yes, I was there and that's why I knew with my own. I mean I saw with my own eyes the reality on the ground and what do you think is happening over there? So what is happening over there? I mean if you pull Venice Wayland's themselves They will say that their quality of life has lessened because of us sanctions So back in 2015 Obama declared Venice with a national security threat very random there was no threat obviously posed to the u.s But it was just to kind of start the sanctions on them, but was just a vacation Who knows who knows pressure?

I mean there's always been pressure because of course the u.s Is always hated Maduro and hated Hugo Chavez and the u.s empire doesn't forget and it doesn't forgive and you know going back to 2002 Bush tried to engineer a coup against Hugo Chavez that didn't work And so what we've done with these civil society organizations is try to foment Radical discontent on the ground in Venezuela to try to you know get some sort of uprising The guy won white o was just some guy plucked it from obscurity who was just well known in Georgetown in Washington DC much more well known there than he was even in Venezuela So you know this was completely engineered It was totally concocted no Venice Wayland's really knew who he was I think like 80% of Venice Wayland said no idea who won Why do was but you know the economy went into a spiral because oil prices dropped and they would have been able to pick back up their economy But unfortunately the sanctions were so debilitating that it went to complete free fall Venezuela's not a socialist country that's actually the vast majority is private industry and a lot of those private CEOs are very anti-government Long story short is that the coup was initiated you know during the Trump administration after he slapped like 70 sanctions on Venezuela And we're talking about medicine food all the things that they're saying that they need right that they're trying to stage these fake aid caravan deliveries That was all bullshit what they're doing is actually preventing the delivery from food and medicine from getting to Venezuelans and this Who was a failure because the resilience of the Venezuelan people they believe that they have a democracy they do have a democracy It's actually more free than our democracy. There's not a dictatorship there Maduro won a presidential election last year He won a presidential election the US lobbied the opposition candidates to not run against him so then they can say it was illegitimate That was a dictatorship and so he won he won the popular vote and they tried to implement all these things and they've been blocked and you know The opposition keeps crying to the US that they need help that they need to be invaded It's pretty disturbing when you have opposition candidates saying slap sanctions on us invade our country help us Trump help us I mean, it's absolutely ridiculous, but when I was on the ground I saw flourishing democracy I saw dozens of people hundreds of people who said that they love the process there that they believe in the bull of Variant movement and that their chavismo till death and we don't understand because those people's voices are totally censored From corporate media the only Venezuelans that we hear from in corporate media are rich opposition either, you know Expats or people who just have fled and what do we hear from corporate media? What is what is the corporate take so this is even Elizabeth Warren even Bernie Sanders has been terrible on this? I mean, it's it's really bad I mean their take on corporate media if you're looking at like Fox News They'll say we need to overthrow Maduro and you know everyone's starving and it's a failed state They never mentioned the sanctions.

They never mentioned the fact that US sanctions just from 2017 alone has killed 40,000 Venezuelans This was just a study out by seeper 40,000 Venezuelans have died from Trump's sanctions from insulin shipments not getting there Primarily a lot of other things medicine wise that people have not been getting in and they are dying so that is absurd You know, we like to think of sanctions as kind of like the soft power that just targets elites of the country No, it's an act of war and that's exactly what's happening to Iran and Trump's implemented sanctions all over the world in a really devastating But but the corporate media will say we need to overthrow them their failed state They're you know, they're a dictatorship and reality. No, they're not they're democracy and they we don't like their politics That's really what it is They don't like the fact that their politics their politics are that they nationalize the oil and that's really where it comes from this fake ambassador That was trying to get into the embassy here Carlos Vecchio He's an ex Exxon lawyer and you see all these people who are involved in Exxon mobile and all the oil industries that were flourishing And then as well before Chavez got elected and they just want their profits back They want their money back they don't like the fact that Chavez took the profits from the oil companies That's what the that's what the crux of the problem is Joe and it's amazing. It's amazing how transparent it is So ever since these failed coup attempts over the last decade the US has been phonened in regime change through the civil society organizations USAID offshoots in the country and And basically trying to foment violent unrest violent unrest to the extent that they burned down streets There's lynch mobs I mean when I was there during the height of the violence in 2017 like 200 people died and the news just kept saying like insinuating that Maduro was going out there with police forces and actually gunning down people in the streets It couldn't be farther from the truth We looked at all the deaths we broke them all down We looked at death records and we found out that the opposition lynch mobs were actually responsible for the overwhelming majority of deaths in the streets So that's happening people get lynched for being black they get lynched for being shavismo these people are targeting maternity clinics hospitals Basically any enclave of government services because that's what this is really about It's about a kind of a fascistic bent of the opposition wanting to take back the power from the poor The poor people got power and they didn't like it and that's what the crux of the problem is but when you're looking at the corporate media It's an absurdly cartoonish brush that's being painted and then if you look at the liberal media with mad out and all these other people They either don't talk about it or they say Maduro needs to let the aid in you even saw Bernie and Elizabeth Warren saying Maduro needs to let the aid in let the aid in Maduro The aid was the coup the aid was was a trick They're getting aid every day from countries that are not trying to actively overthrow them But we staged this big stunt on the border of Colombia By the way Colombia is actually suffering more than Venezuela Colombia is in dire poverty There's people getting assassinated every week who are labor leaders and teachers I went there and I talked to a teacher who's living in exile because he's scared for his fucking life But we don't hear about that right because they're allies with the US So it's it's a cynical stunt to try to get this humanitarian International outcry to say oh my god people are dying people are hungry. It's not a matter of that there's no food It's that food is very expensive because there's an actual economic war being waged by massive corporations in the country and just external entities Whether it be the Trump administration or US multinationals that are Exphyxiating preventing aid and food from coming in and the aid that they're they're claiming that they need to accept is basically a hoax It's a stunt to try to get regime change to happen We just saw Richard Branson staged some ridiculous big concert on the border of Colombia And they had like what they said were aid trucks on this big bridge and you had CNN on the ground being like all right They need to let the aid in and then why don't they let the aid in and the aid was it was fake It was just a truck full of like I don't know like very miniscule things But they wanted to try to ram these trucks through just to get the soldiers up in arms and try to get them to effect It hasn't worked They've been trying over and over gonna try to get something going and basically at the end of the day what happened was just a giant money grab It was basically a money laundering scheme you look at these people who are the opposition leaders now Juan Why do Carlos Vecchio they've just stolen all the money back Maybe they realized the coup wasn't gonna go forward, but they basically ended up stealing at least 70 million dollars And just putting it right in these people's bank accounts.

It's pretty shocking I mean you have international it's an international conspiracy to try to take the money back from from the people whose money was was basically administered by Maduro for services is Nationalizing the oil nationalizing the oils the root of it all and also just uplifting the poor I mean poor people got a voice and they never had a voice in that country their entire lives and that country was You know it was a colonial holdover and so the Bolivarian movement started this pink tide all across Latin America It was scary it was a giant threat to the US establishment and actually that's why I tell the store was founded Tell us or the the organization that I used to sell the show to it was started as kind of a counter to this global hegemony in this corporate narrative trying to Overthrow these democratically elected leaders But it's shocking when you see like the Bank of England seized all of this gold that was rightfully Maduro's they seized it Allegally all of these these banks and international bodies just stole all this money and they just gave it to these opposition leaders So even though the opposition leaders weren't able to take you know take the power back in the country They still have taken all the money and no one's talking about that and everyone just acting like this is some crazy dictatorship That needs are saving how dare you who the fuck do we think we are? We're informed right yeah, yeah, you should check out I want to check out our Empire files YouTube channel because we've done extensive coverage on the ground really going into the nuts and bolts of what the Economic crisis really is and my partner Mike prisoner to this epic takedown of John Oliver You know the liberal media is just as bad John Oliver did some fucking absurdly false Kind of like analysis of the whole Venice way the situation and we just went through and debunked every single line of it I mean it was extremely disingenuous. I bet he had someone who wrote on right right so I bet he probably has no real knowledge of it Nor could you really unless you extensively studied it the way you have and especially if you have feet on the ground right? I think that most people just in order to understand a complex nuanced problem like some sort of an international conflict that we're Involved in that has to do with nationalizing oil like god damn you gotta do a lot of work You do you do and if you run a show like last week tonight or whatever It's called you have producers doing everything.

Yeah, someone else is doing that I mean you find that with a lot of these so-called online experts when you talk to them one-on-one and you get them off the record without Notes like they're just people well There's this guy this you and human rights investigator named Alfred d'Zias I did this big interview with and he said he tried to propose this to the UN saying there isn't no humanitarian crisis there This is all fake. Yes, people are suffering and dying But it's not because of Maduro's policies and corruption So because of us sanctions that have excixated the economy and prevented any sort of recovery from taking place and the economy still in free fall They can't work with international bodies again We have the threats of sanctions with institutions that now work with Venezuela So they've been isolated they've been isolated from the world So was the idea that they just put these sanctions in place allow this political and rest take place support the opposition and then just have a Slow burn until it all collapses and then come in swoop in and fix everything and make it a part of the United States government and then these people will not have a voice any longer and Another thing that they hate is that Maduro's given two million free homes to people That's something that's completely unheard of to maybe Americans But that's one thing that Juan Whiteau said that he would do he immediately implemented a new hydrocarbons law or he was proposing to implement a new Hydrocarbons law which is again, you know reprivitizing the oil and also just immediately privatizing all of the Social services that Maduro and Chavez did so it's it's pretty shocking what would happen and pretty devastating what would happen if Whiteau's coup did succeed and the whole Trump administration. I mean, it's not just Venezuela. It's Nicaragua and Cuba too I mean, we can't go to Cuba anymore What did that happen a couple weeks ago?

What was the purpose and what was the rational because socialism is terrifying and we can't just let this small Island nation just live its life We have to create some genocidal blockade that prevents food and medicine from getting in there, too But what was it was there a justification? Did they say why they're doing this while they're imposing these new laws? No, it's just John Bolton's bizarre speech about the Troika of tyranny. Remember the axis of evil?

Remember that? Yeah, that was the Troika of tyranny, Nicaragua Cuban Venezuela. It's like wait I thought that I thought that we were fighting a war on terrorism. We're going to freak around too.

Yeah, yeah Pizzabortega. Yeah, they hate anyone who leans left. They want to crush Crush it's pretty fucking nuts. What's happened?

It's a weird one, right? The Cuba ones because what what has happened? Nothing, isn't there not? Yeah, they're not.

Yeah, the only thing they just did was actually give out free HIV prevention pills and they That's what they fucked up. Yeah, that's really fucked up. We're not into that. Yeah, no, it's the Venice by the things of mess It's so difficult because it's so nuanced, but that's you know I encourage everyone to maybe check out Venezuelan analysis and empire files and tell us or if they want to learn more about that situation Have you encountered any demonetization of your channel from discussing these complex issues?

Yes, we have so we actually stopped monetizing altogether So we are ad-free, but we wouldn't we would have been demonetized I'm absolutely sure and we also are slapped with age restrictions and sensitive content bans on almost every single video that we put up Whether it be Israel Palestine or Venezuela really and What would cause you to get an age restriction or sensitive content? Like is there anything that is like a fairly innocuous video that you guys put out that I was also got an age Like Mike's video about John Oliver was just literally taking clips from John Oliver and then critiquing them and they said that was sensitive content Ban it's like well. What do you mean? Why is that sensitive content ban?

But I think it has to do with finish because you're criticizing the HBO show No, no because it's happened with so with almost every single one of our videos And so you have to make sure that you're logged in that you prove your age just all these different Steps and gatekeeping methods to prevent people from getting access to our channel and another crazy thing about it Is if you just search like Empire files Venezuela like it will take you a really long time to actually find our work Even if you type in the channel name Abbey Martin and these subjects, it's really difficult to find and they've made that difficult to find on purpose I have no doubt what's also weird like how they determine what is trending right? You know cuz it's not real right right what is trending is not really what is trending like Alex Jones freak out I was like they're cute because the video got millions and millions of hits like they're they're censoring us from trending I'm like dude. I got news for you. I've never trended ever really zero.

Oh, you know that's where it's right. Yeah, right zero times Should they be building your channel up no some people like it some people over there like it I think it's too fucked up. You know, I think it's like they don't know what I'm doing I'm like there's not it's not you can't put it in a clear box And there's too much too many comedians on and there's too much weed and people get drunk and they you know they talk crazy shit and it's uncensored I just think I don't it's a very complex thing this sort of but you know it's happening There's you know, someone has made a choice to never have it trend. It's trended zero times.

How many views we had total? Talking about that one report the guy did Zero times. Yeah, well, that's trended but it's been like a very few amount of times like over five years That report was like over a one-year period, but we haven't trended in years the main channel has an eclipse channel pops up there Every so often Yeah, it's a weird I don't I wouldn't know it's now trending page. I have only one that's up now is ours That's a good page is a good gauge to mark stuff.

I don't like what's not like this is the news of the day kind of page It does help people like see people that are trendy. Yeah, I know that he's your friend to Peter Joseph Who's been on the show before hit, you know, zeitgeist and zeitgeist trilogy was like one of the most popular videos online And that was totally fucking censored. Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent Well, you can barely find that anymore This is the issue that people have with Facebook and Google and any of these gigantic online Corporations that are deciding what isn't isn't popular and and and using algorithms to steer people in Directions, you know one of the more fascinating discussions that's happened over the past few years is this understanding that their algorithms favor People are about things They're like if you want to have a subject like say abortion and you put up a you know if you're a pro-choice or a pro-life person You're gonna get steered towards things you disagree with so that you engage with them more because that's where the money is the money is in You being upset and engaging and that's where people that's where people really get into it So the more you engage the more profitable it is for Facebook and the more they encourage that type of behavior So their algorithm actually encourages you encourages you right pissing you off and wants you to stay on YouTube and just go down the rabbit hole It's particularly Facebook but with YouTube that was one of the weird New York Times piece the radicalization of some Soft-minded child who got online and was turned into a right-winger and then was subsequently turned into a left-winger by another video And they're like finally he was saved like I sure and read it Yeah, it's just nonsense because it sort of connected a lot of people that aren't even right-wing including me with the radicalization of this young man And they did link some websites that or some YouTube channels that are right You know that are right leaning and even far right But they also threw in a bunch of other ones that like Philly D right who's not right-wing at all me and a few other folks Well, that's the algorithm. Yeah, the algorithm just takes you down down down Yeah, but they were trying to article was suggesting that we all were right-wing because it was a sloppy article It just wasn't really well done But what's interesting is the conclusion ultimately he was saved by this by their algorithm Yeah, they're out for them led him got him down and then got him out Yeah led him to an opposition of that He's like a left-wing person's YouTube employee wrote it or some shit But this idea that this is the thing that drives me crazy save you believe something Right and then if you go online and you read something else and that something else is contrary to what you believe in you start believing in that Something else somehow know that that's bad This is one of the great arguments against censorship is like you have to figure out what the fuck makes sense The only way to figure out what makes sense is to read all kinds of things to engage with all kinds of content The idea that we're supposed to protect people because we know what's right.

We know what's correct Well, who are you let me let me talk to you if you think you know what's correct You're the arbiter of free speech or the arbiter of logical discourse and common sense in this world Let me ask you things. Let me talk to you. Let me get to the heart of how you feel How do you feel about trans kids transitioning when they're six? How do you feel about all sorts of crazy weird things that have just been propped up as logical makes sense?

How do you feel about war? How do you feel about abortion? How do you feel about ghosts? How are you who are you and you just you just get to choose whether or not someone lean or information that comes to them Leans left or right?

I think it's preposterous I just think it's incredibly dangerous because you have to have an unbelievably complex and nuanced perspective in order to be able to dictate What makes or does not make sense and you you have to have a lot of information at your disposal You have to have a lot if you're talking about something like Vince Well, let's look at that for example Look at what you know and then look at what you see in what you would call progressive left-wing media that to your knowledge is Incorrect and it's basically propaganda points. That's being redistributed in this way that is palatable now imagine if the people decide that you Have you Martin or somehow another part of some right-wing conspiracy now and they they're gonna censor your voice and censor You're because it doesn't fit into this narrative that there but because you need so much information to be able to really understand What's happening in this one part of South America? Right exactly it's so complex They treat us like children and they think that we're not smart enough to actually discern what is Information that we need and I mean I want the Russian perspective I want the venison perspective I want the Chinese perspective because I feel like we're smart enough to really determine our own reality based on all the available information But this is where we're fucked is that we don't have a Reliable independent source that's not filled with hyperbole and emotion and and dunking on people and screaming and insulting and I want someone who can break things down Logically and clearly with no ideological bend. You're not leaning left.

You're not leaning right. What where is that? And why doesn't that exist? I think it's because it's not necessarily human and and you know people have opinions and they have biases and either they couch those biases and like these think tanks and pretend like they're these unbiased journalists or they just kind of weird on their sleeve like I do With Empire files and media routes, which is my you know my news organization that I do with my brother Robbie But I mean we try to lay it out But we also don't hide where we're coming from I almost appreciate that more than than a lot of these journalists so called journalists who are really kind of Stenographers who pretend like they are unbiased and they're like I'm just giving it too straight and at the end of the day They're really not they're trying to toe a line and they're trying to push a certain perspective, but it's just not obvious Yeah, it's just we live in such a strange time where we are overwhelmed with data I mean overwhelmed you you cannot get away from it and there's no way there's not a fucking human alive that Understands all of it.

It is impossible. It really is impossible and It's so hard to find out what is true and what is bullshit right? Oh my god what you posted about how you can now change people's like you can make a picture talk Yes, they're crazy. We're in a way a wave of lies I like to do coke planes even though they invented like you have the Mona Lisa say anything It's really disturbing what we're in for what's coming buckle up buckle up.

Yeah, right imagine the fourth fifth and sixth generation of this technology I got a lot by government You know oh my god and then being utilized by someone to sort of I mean you could easily justify Assassinations if you can prove that someone's saying something fucked up you kill them and then you release a tape of them saying something fucked up Totally this person Yeah, sure for sure for sure oh my god Just drown strike anyone what I'm hoping is that if you look at what this technology is doing with technology in general is doing particularly like information technology internet cellular phones and smartphones on these devices and and And all the various new incarnations are coming out what they seem to be doing is they seem to be Creating portals for which information is more quickly accessed. It's more and more transparent like ideas are getting to people quicker There's and I think this is one of the things that these companies like Google and Facebook and Twitter and also They're trying to like figure out a way to manage this like well This is just too crazy We have to figure out how to manage information and get it right people things that they want to see but I think ultimately It's going to fail and I think ultimately as technology as all these innovations keep coming down the pipe We're going to get closer and closer to this time where everyone has an instantaneous and equal access to information And I think that when that time does come lying will be virtually impossible I really do believe that because I think we're probably a decade away from implementing some sort of a device or an ability to read Minds, I really believe that that's kind of terrifying I think they're going to develop some sort of technology that allows us to link up together and through some some sort of Some new way of communicating that we didn't we don't foresee now If you just look at this trend like what is the trend the trend was oh you go to library and get a book Well now you can get a book online when I get a book on your phone Well now you can have that book read to you on your phone I mean it's all this you know Australian accent boom boom boom boom he's staying closer and closer to you and I think there's going I mean When Elon Musk he's been very vague about it won't discuss what he's doing But there's neural link thing that he's doing that he thinks is going to radically increase bandwidth between human beings and information He thinks it's gonna literally change humanity. Wow what the fuck that means But if he's working on something like that he's not the only one and if you're wearing some sort of a device that Allows you to access information at this round pace what what the next step would be was to is to make it so that you can tap Into some sort of a universal language and this universal language would not be dependent upon Like these various languages where Spanish or Chinese or whatever it is But some sort of a new language that kids learn and a new language the universal language that's distributed through online platforms And wow how this all go straight to your fucking brain. Wow, it's gonna happen We're becoming cyborgs in some sort of a weird way and that's the other thing that you want some already cyborgs Just carried around with us and that's what your phone is right?

We're so dependent on these devices It just seems to make sense that the general direction that all this is going is becoming more and more invasive and more and more inclusive More and more invasive in terms of it's the way it's sort of ingrained in your body and becomes a part of your life but becomes more and more a part of everyone's life and then More inclusive in terms of more access to this information and more access to thoughts And I just think we're just a few years away from someone making a breakthrough. Wow I think in some ways is probably Joe Biden says he's gonna Answer so I'm gonna show you this before this thing is yes Here you go where he can talk to it without moving his mouth and it can what communicates with a computer This is this is over a year old so I don't know what the developments they've made since then yeah I sent this to you long and he says it's just a trick. He says this is basically like a trick He said yeah, this is giving you information. You don't need to talk to it But he said what he's doing is far more complex and then I asked him questions He went radio sign on me.

Yeah, I'll talk about it first of all look at that guy looks like a dork wearing nothing I'm so big. I figured out himself. Yeah, probably but that looks like some Iron Man type shit He's gonna wear a football helmet that does that one step This is like the next thing to get us on a bluetooth thing just touched your ear that like everybody's already been walking Around with the last 25 years so he's essentially calculating his groceries as he walks around yeah He's just this is just probably connected to his phone I was just sort of showing you this this is already maybe available and like they're showing this is proof of concept I'll back this up because it was read the narration because it just said something there so without it right there without any voice or Just go back to where this okay really right there without any voice or discernible movements enabling the user to communicate with devices Just let it play Like I just a AI assistance applications or other people in a silent Yeah, so bad video yeah, how the fuck do you read that fast? I'm reading pretty Utilizing the return only sub to Saying you be wearing one of these devices to tell your brain.

They're trying to tell you stupid stupid You need this so can I play we have a little trailer for the film. Can I play it really quick sure? Where's it? I got Empire files and it's the most recent thing how long have you guys been independent like ad-free?

Basically a year since I came on right after I came on last year on the sanctions shut down our show and so we had to do It's giant fundraiser, and it was just absolutely very difficult to yeah here it is. Yep. Let's check it out Empire files guys a fight for freedom, and this is this is the little trailer for our film that just came out This is our eldest daughter. She was my first joy.

She was killed. She's a medic Wanna read this? First I'm female to feel the girl she was the first to go to the margin campments and everyone participated I too participated the whole family did My husband my children my neighbors my siblings did too all Palestinians participated Our marches peaceful We do not carry weapons chests We stand before a huge force of a fortified army with tanks gas and warplanes Our marches peaceful we ask for our rights. I have the right to have a country I have the right to have a home all those refugees have the right to return to their homes So during this protest is this when these people were shot?

Mm-hmm. We're seeing here Yeah, so it's a lot of people who are getting carried out cleaning little kids and they're shooting at them And this is um isn't it time yet? She says everyone around the world is sitting there watching us and they're all comfortable with their lives here We are under siege. We have no borders.

No life. Where are we supposed to go? So this is coming out in a couple weeks. We're fine-tuning it We just had a big theatrical release in downtown, and it was it was really cool.

That's where you saw the Oliver Stone Yeah, they are yeah, it's it's sick I mean you texted me that video of the kid, you know another medic was just shot so yeah There's something that a Balamahama who's a well the UFC fighters had on his Instagram, and I texted you that it's We It's so again. This is another thing right so difficult to understand It's actually going on there so many pro-Israel people that put their head in the sand and don't want to look at some of these atrocities And don't want to look at some of the videos that you sent me of soldiers shooting at people that are not doing anything Right, I mean yeah I mean their whole argument is that it's all Hamas and their human shields I mean we looked through hundreds of hours of footage that these people gave us and it's mind-blowing footage It looks absolutely Sematic and epic, but the footage is harrowing and I didn't see one weapon. I didn't see one militant not one weapon It was literally people with sling shots throwing rocks at tanks. It's kind of a rite of passage It's very symbolic.

They're not trying to hurt anyone. No Israeli soldiers have been hurt or killed You know during 2018 which is what the film looks at is through 2018 of the Great March of Return and there's not any weapons There's no militants Hamas has nothing to do with these with the march and it's just shocking I mean it's shocking how many war crimes were committed on camera, and it's just amazing the propaganda That's just told to us about what this is and why they have the right to kill people that pose no threat to them when you're on last Time and you talked about this one of my email accounts was flooded with literally a chain letter The same letter like denouncing you and your lies and your anti-semitic perspective and your anti-Israeli Perspective it was it was weird because it was the same email Astro Turf. Yeah, I was fake Yeah, you know that's a campaign. You know that has a lot of money behind it.

Yeah There's a lot of money behind that I mean the film's mind-blowing go to Gaza fights for freedom calm if you want to check it out when it when it gets released and it's just really Uncontrovertible Joe. I mean there you know even if it were a war Between armies all of these things that Israel has done are still documented war crimes and very grievous violations of international law And we're talking about direct targeting and assassinations by Israeli snipers of disabled people of children press and medics And that's what who was on was she was a medic and as you mentioned another medic just passed away was killed rather I hate to use the passive voice because you always hear Palestinians died No, they were murdered they're all being murdered by snipers and they pose no threat to them And so the film looks at this UN investigation Basically during the march in 2018 and documents all of the grievous crimes and atrocities conducted by the Israeli military and I mean You know Palestine has a right to defend itself and this isn't even what that is But if you look at the UN Charter of 1978 They say that you know occupied peoples and besieged peoples have the right actually for armed self-defense And the fact that this is not even what that is that there's literally people going out there in peace with their bare chests holding flags And they're getting killed and sniped. There's so many amputations. I mean just in 2018 alone.

There was 35 kids who were killed 900 shot Jesus, yeah, that's children and you know some of these stories are harrowing a kid hiding behind a trash can who was sniped a kid Who went up to the fence and just put a Palestinian flag and she was shot in the head and died instantly It just it goes on and on and on and so you know We're just trying to document this to really kind of push the needle for accountability because these laws have been agreed upon by the international community Some of them hundred years ago and to have kind of a rogue state acting with complete impunity knowing that it has total protection from the US Empire and given more freedom than ever under Trump with this goal on Heights thing and the moving of the Jerusalem embassy or the moving of the Embassy to Jerusalem I mean it's just it's abysmal and it needs to be stopped and you know They can't control the narrative any longer because we're seeing this with our own eyes And that's what this film does is really lays it all out. Have you concentrated and focused on so many different fucked up parts? But you're so you're very friendly and upbeat like see like you're laughing at this How do you manage to maintain your sanity? Because I I have a hard time if I just watch one of your pieces right I watch one of your clips And I just go what the fuck I just want to cry and I don't know what to do and I want to hug my kids But you're in this you're in the trenches every day and you go to these places all the time.

How do you how do you do it? Well, I think that well first of all I go and camp a lot I get into nature a lot Which is also kind of depressing knowing that you know climate change and blah blah blah But I try to get out and see the beauty of the world and understand my privilege Especially as an American citizen because I don't have We can't afford to not be aware and we can't afford to not be educated and talking about these issues Especially when our government is subsidizing this around the world $10 million every day with our tax dollars You know, I mean this is this is going on and it's so close to home And we have to acknowledge our privilege and acknowledge the situation which is we have agency We have agency to lobby our government to change this and to stop these criminal acts But do you ever feel that it's almost like you're absorbing too much because you are looking at all the problems of all the people 7 plus billion around the world and all these different horrific injustices I try to focus on what I can do and what I can do is is challenge my own government and you know as an American citizen living in this society I think that the US Empire and the Pentagon is the source of a lot of problems around the world I look at the world as Complex I mean you have to understand the issues that are going on especially with foreign policy in terms of the colonized and colonizers The oppressed and oppressors and the US is role as well as other previous empires role in shaping the world as it is today And a lot of the problems that have arisen are because directly us foreign policy whether it be the global war on terrorism Whether it be terrorism in general, I mean that you know drone strikes basically caused terrorism whether it be the environmental crises the Pentagon is actually the largest polluter in the world more than 140 countries that's essentially every country in the world almost a bigger polluter than the top four chemical companies combined So it all kind of stems back from this notion that you know the US is the world's largest empire that's ever existed and it needs to be stopped To save humanity and so as an American citizen I look at all the problems And I understand that there is like a very common root and I can do something about this common root And if you're looking at domestic problems the lack of health care the lack of education I mean Martin Luther King called it decades ago. He says you know a nation that spends more and more on military spending is facing social death I probably butchered his quote, but that's essentially the spiritual death I think he's what he said, but I mean that's exactly what's happening is when we're squandering all of our money bolstering up this huge global empire We're not taking care of our people at home our brothers and sisters at home My empathy extends as an internationalist all around the world I you know I feel for my brothers and sisters in Palestine Yemen Everywhere but I can only do what I can do based on what my government is doing and you know It's doing a lot It's doing a lot of horrible things and it's time for us to really acknowledge what those horrible things are because we need to Re-invigorate an anti-war movement in this country and when you're saying that drone strikes create terrorism What you're really saying is that well what people if they don't understand drone strikes primarily kill civilians right now Yeah, it's a really crazy number and it's this very strange sanitized way of handling an issue where if you had a person And you had some rambo character you send him overseas He said hey I want you to go get this Isis terrorist and in the process kill everybody the fuck that you see everybody Is in front of them that person would be a war criminal right if you had a guy and he knew that some Isis guy was in an apartment building So he just started gunning down men women and children in that apartment building until he got to the terrorist that guy would go to jail But if you do it with a remote control and you launch hellfire missiles out of a drone and it blows up the apartment building and kills All these innocent people but also gets the terrorists it's mission accomplished and it's crazy It's crazy that we're signing off on that right what gives us the right it's a kill people It's a thing because we're not there where there's this weird sort of a just a there's a bridge that we're allowed to cross into this Really sickening act it's very when you have anything that's ineffective to the point where most of the people it kills are good people Or at least our innocent people should say that's crazy I mean this is not saying that there's not terrorism. It's not saying it's not horrible people in Isis.

Absolutely. Look I'm a pro military person. I think we need military I think it's just like the same I need we need cops But to deny that cops sometimes are bad is fucking crazy to not deny that sometimes When you allow the military industrial complex to do things like have drones that launch missiles into wedding parties because you think one of the People might be a terrorist and are often incorrect often to the tune of 90 plus percent Yeah, it's crazy and you look at you know The last ten years you look at some of these terrorists who have conducted terrorist acts You look at actually what their intention was and a lot of them the vast majority literally cite US foreign policy revenge US foreign policy I mean every time you kill 98% innocent people Whoever survives if you lost your whole family now you have an incredible amount of motivation to get back at whoever did it Right and that whoever did it is the United States We need to stop normalizing this and you know militarily speaking Trump actually you know It's not just Trump. I mean this is a bipartisan effort throughout the entire Congress If there's one thing Congress can agree upon it's to make non-violent BDS efforts against Israel legal and also to just keep ramping up the military and Aging on whoever's sitting in the Oval Office to be more militaristic and that's exactly what's happened with Trump in a bizarre way I mean Congress approved like a seven a near trillion dollar defense budget and the increase alone in the last year was basically Russia's entire military budget More than Russia's entire military budget.

That's how much this shit's ramping up and then you have the space force I mean it's just like how far is this gonna go the society's collapsing if you looked at the Argument against this you would say we need this in order to keep people safe here. That would be the argument against it I'm my question would be what are we what threat is there Isis? One has Isis ever done anything here other than I mean there was like a truck I mean come on we already know the statistics on terrorism in this country and they're very low right I mean you're basically more likely to die from like furniture falling on you or short apartment Yeah, yeah And the whole Isis thing I mean as we know Isis arose out of US foreign policy that failed state Libya the Iraq war that's still criminally ongoing I mean Trump announced this indefinite extension of the criminal occupation of Iraq It's just crazy how normalized this is you know far longer than Vietnam we're in Afghanistan fatalities at our all-time high all of these things are direct result of US foreign policy and look at the refugee crisis Look at immigration the Honduras coup all this shit's connected And that's what we need to start like expanding our consciousness and our empathy worldwide to understand all of these things Are linked and the struggle is all linked and our world is shrinking really rapidly what candidate speaks in this way like what candidate? Do you think understands and recognizes all these things that you're talking about?

I mean microvel is the only one who's like we need to end the US Empire Bernie and Tulsi microvel was he was the guy who basically read the Pentagon Papers into record he is a good guy Yeah, yeah, he has like this online campaign. That's really awesome But I mean Tulsi's speaking a lot about regime change wars which is extremely important But she still believes in drone strikes She basically has a little bit of Obama's foreign policy that I don't agree with that fun I don't understand He limited drone strikes like maybe if there's an Isis camp somewhere I mean I can't believe that she believes in some sort of a just Broad brush use of it I haven't looked into the nuances of that but I do think that no one is saying what I want them to about US Empire about you know Staling back the US Empire and and stopping all of the civil society movements because it's not just about Invasions anymore. It's about you know usurping the democratic processes of all of these countries like what we've done in Venezuela What we're doing all around the world to try to foment unrest all of this needs to be stopped Do you foresee a time where our dependence on foreign oil is radically reduced to the point where it doesn't justify these regime change wars In our dependence on these resources that these people have I mean This is almost every conflict in the world you can boil down to the acquisition of resources Right and also the protection of capital And that's like what a lot is what a lot of it is now is actually just capital interests needing to expand and grow and continuing to Up and increase the profit structure of these corporations and that's exactly why we've seen imperialism You know kind of got of control in the way that it has I don't know I mean I thought that we were more independent oil wise. I don't think it's good I think that climate change yeah, I think that climate hasn't stopped You know it hasn't stopped the imperialist misadventures of the US government So I think there just needs to be a really big shift in consciousness and people to stop thinking that it's our right and that we have You know the right and the duty to do this around the world.

It doesn't give us the right. We don't have It's not right man. It's really not and we need to really reinvigorate the masses here because again society is collapsing That's pretty fucking obvious. Well, if it's not obvious.

What is obvious is that we're not evolving right in terms of If we're still involved in drone strikes that killed 98% of people if we're still involved in regime change wars We're still involved in these unnecessary military actions against Iran these things that people freaking out about this is all the same kind of shit That people have been fighting against forever that we don't want our brothers and sisters and husbands and wives to die for nonsense We don't want them to die for some people that live in these air conditioned rooms That are making billions of dollars that are profiting off of the actions of these these noble people who think that they're doing it to protect America I mean this is the narrative that they're being served This is what they're being told and when they're going to these places They're not going to those places to act as evil as as to as the the boots of some empire They're going over there because they think they're protecting freedom. They think they're protecting their family their loved ones back home That's why they're doing it. We're still doing that. We're not evolving Well, I mean that's what's so scary about the Iran thing because the people who are surrounding Iran and being directed to go out there They're the ones who are gonna be the sacrificial plans for these defense contractors and I don't think that you can argue anymore that this is for freedom I mean, how can you what threat does Iran pose to help self?

It's a tough sell. I don't I don't understand what they serve either And what what benefit would it be for them to start some shit with us and that's that is the craziest idea ever? I mean, it's like my you know a nine-year-old kid trying to pick a fight with my Tyson's fucking crazy It doesn't make any sense like what are you trying to do trying to get killed? I mean inevitably we're trying to get to the global confrontation with China and Russia I guess I mean that's it's scary to think that we only have a couple independent states left to knock down to be under complete subjugation from The US military and global capitalism.

It's pretty nuts. Well, not only that even if we do move into some sort of a some sort of a situation where we're in control then we're a bigger target and With the amount of nuclear weapons that are possessed by these countries that were I mean just what North Korea has Just this one small fucked up country could ruin life on Earth just this one country and Forget about Russia. We could literally annihilate each other right that's that's a possibility Right. I mean if if someone chose to launch an attack if they decided that they have the justification to launch an attack Then all of a sudden we're in a real war.

Yeah, like a fucking war war people are invading us Shits get knocked down buildings and bombs blow up. I mean over what this can't be avoided This is the only way the only way is missiles and bombs like you said we're not evolving or devolving I mean, it's it's unbelievable We have the capacity to provide for everyone we have the capacity to cooperate to innovate and we're stuck We're stuck dehumanizing the other we're stuck with this mass conditioning to basically perpetuate these these injustices and It's really a shame. I mean we have all the information at our fingertips But we still keep reverting back to what's the myths the myths that underpin our society these conversations I have with your so depressing because it's always I was leaving on what what what can be done? What can we do what where does it end?

Where does it go? You know, these are the big questions and then also what we discussed before it's impossible for anyone to really have a deep nuanced understanding of all these different issues, right? Right, I mean I think focusing on what you can do we can only do what we can do and you have to understand that You know, you can't get debilitated or disillusioned with you know the the influx of information or just the complete You know the heaviness of it all you just have to do what you can do you're doing what you can do you have me on to help spread Awareness about these issues and that's you will free You're about to get spammed with a lot of Hasbro And I don't have a really male but that's that's what we can do Joe and and you just have to live your life and provide for your kids and and love what you have and But also just understand your place, you know and just extend the empathy that you can and just yeah I mean, it's it's hard because I don't have the answer all I know is what's needed and what's needed is we need a movement of the masses It's not gonna come from the top down It's gonna come from a grassroots mobilized effort to try to change these policies That's the only way things have ever changed in the past and I absolutely have hope and optimism that we're gonna change things and that We're going to correct this horrible path that we're on Do you think that the 2020 elections can have a real significant impact of any of this? Do you think that whoever gets into office can really have an effect on the kind of policies that we're talking about with the kind of influence of the military industrial complex of all these lobbyists of Wall Street all of all these like monstrous machines that this pure Good old-fashioned democracy can actually step in and turn this ship away from the rocks Bernie I really do think that he's one of our last chances not because I think that he's going to completely do some Revolutionary upheaval from the top down as we know Congress is stacked with a lot of terrible people who will block a lot of these efforts But I think that he's going to mobilize the masses and reinvigorate the labor movement and reinvigorate unions and help workers Understand that they need to fight for these rights that have been eviscerated, you know over the last hundred years One thing that does inspire me as well is seeing people like Elon Omar, you know, she is incredible She's a Somali refugee she advocates BDS against Israel and she is not fucking back down I love that woman what an incredible woman she got vicious viciously attacked for retweeting One of my episodes from Empire Files And I think it just shows how scared people are of her and her ideas And you saw how hard everyone came down on her for just saying that Israel has an influential lobby in DC Yeah, well, she's also wearing religious garbs that people are scared of that right away the job and then There's something some hit piece on her yesterday.

They're saying they think she married a brother. Oh, that's ridiculous Yeah, they think she did get into this country that she had a religious marriage But then she had another yeah, I don't know She's the only one in Congress other than Plaib and of course AOC and you know some other very few people But she's out there every day speaking against the military industrial complex being against the wars I think as a refugee she understands the effects of US policy And I'm really excited that she has a voice in there But again, I don't think that the hope is gonna come from within Congress and the system is way too far gone with the electoral college And the gerrymandering and the voter rights, you know that have been rescinded It's it's a lot and it's an uphill battle But that's why someone like Bernie I think will turn to the people and say I can't do this alone You have to come out and get my back and we have to have millions of people in the streets demanding these things. That's the only way it's gonna work Thank God and Andrew Santino's coming out later. We're gonna get high and get high.

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