listen to it. It might be in the far past and you perhaps forgotten all about it. But the feelings are still raw as we record. It's 2018 by the way.
Yeah. We haven't had a good like, Hey, if you're listening to this in 2019, go fuck yourself. Yeah, it's been a while since we've done one of those. And I think Stephanie even put it like several years in the future.
He did. But I was just anticipating that the podcast won't make it to 2020. Oh, well, none of us might really. Also that.
Yes. My name is Justin Morris. That however, and with me once again, as always is Stefan Hack and I am John Cullen. We're here again.
Yeah. I had a like, I had an existential moment this week where I was just driving in my car and I wasn't listening to the show or anything, but the show just like popped in my mind. And I was like, we've seriously done 132 of these goddamn things. Yeah.
That's so many. That's so many times we've come to show. It's just not in a bad way. I just was I didn't feel anyway about it.
It was just like, existentially like, holy shit, that's a lot of time. You feel old because we've done. Well, we've just kind of, yeah, and we've like, you know, a lot of shit has happened in our lives since we started doing the show. We've all had like jobs and events happen in our lives and moves and it's just crazy shit, man.
And I just was, yeah, so I was just thinking about that. We're cataloging our like experience of growing old. Yeah, it's got to be crazy for the pods that have done like like spy, for example, stop podcasting yourself. I mean, they've done like 520.
And Justin, you said that like it was a good thing. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of walking our lives.
Exactly. It's an anthology. Like, I love to look back. I love to listen to episode 21 for the jokes, but just to see how my life was going up exactly, right?
We should start doing that should start being our weekly segment where we just do a time capsule and we talk about like my problems from 100 episodes. Exactly. Like we just talk about what we did this week. So that when we go back and listen to this when we're drunk and crying in like 2021, we're like, oh, that's what was happening in 2018.
Well, yeah, that was a dream of mine when I was a kid to like put out an album, like musically. Okay, sure. So there was like some record of like what I did on this earth after I die. Right.
And I guess in some ways this podcast is kind of like that. Yeah. Except as soon as I die, no one will be around to pay our hosting fees. So all the episodes will probably just disappear.
Oh, yeah, I guess that's fair, hey? I think about that. We need it. We need a will.
We need a contingency plan. Because like, we're episodes on like a golden record and shooting space. Yeah, that's a good idea. Because I know because you can, there's a company that you can pay like, like tweet for you after you die and stuff.
Really? Yeah. So like, if you die, then they can like, they can manage your socials. If you don't have like friends to do it, then why would anyone want that?
Well, it's just a great thing to do, I think, like, I'm gonna have I'm gonna get them to manage my socials. Well, Jordan Cohen, comedian, you just have a joke about how he was gonna pay for their manager's socials for a year and just have no one actually made these dead. Just like all just like news, like, whoa, the new Lady Gaga album is great. And then like at the end be like, Oh, by the way, Georgia died a year ago.
But yeah, there are companies that will do that or you can even get them to just like make sure that your accounts get like shut down or whatever. So like Isis doesn't like steal it or whatever. I just switch on Facebook. There's like a there's just like a section you go to.
Turn it into a memorial. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. No, I know that. But I guess it's I guess it's just for like people who don't have someone to do that for them. Okay.
It's a pretty limited market. I feel. Yeah. I mean, I had to unfollow Roger Ebert on Twitter because he kept tweeting even though he was dead.
Oh, right. It bummed me out because I'd see one of his tweets and be like, Oh, yeah, remember when he died? Right. I don't actually want to remember that.
I get one star. Exactly. Thumbs down. Yeah.
He did a thumbs system at the start. Well, no, when he did reviews online, he did stars as well. I was doing when he had a show show, Cisco and Ebert, then Ebert and Roper. He trademarked his thumbs.
Did he? I think so. Well, I'm sure they must have trademarked the phrase like two thumbs up. I wonder if he probably like insured his own thumb, like not his full hand, just the thumb.
Yeah. I mean, it would be really ironic if he insured his thumb when the rest of his body looked like that. But his thumbs look great. I guess that's fair.
Yeah. He's just like, I don't give a shit about my trash pile of body. His mouth exploded and he lost his jaw. Well, that was that was really bad.
I was not referring to that. I'm sure it's going to be like, Oh, thank God it wasn't his thumb. You know, big time. Yeah, exactly.
That's how they are. You know, they're just looking out to try and get out of pan for anything. That's every insurance company. That's true.
I just try to say that wasn't a tasteless thing to say. No, that's what they're like. That is what they're like. I agree.
I think that as someone who has released an album, Justin, I'm still pretty sure no one's going to remember me. Oh, there's physical copies of it. True. But yeah, I agree.
Like, I think that is something that people think about. Like, I need to do something creatively so that like that will exist after I pass. But if no one listens to it when you're alive, then why are you sorry? I guess.
It's like, Oh, is this really going to make a difference? Well, maybe I'll do so many of these things that even if the podcast like were to go offline, when I'm not paying for it, that like someone out there would like make a statue out of me anyway. I like that you went to statue. Well, that's what I was saying.
A physical thing on this earth. Oh, I mean, a record might, you know, get worn out. My thought was like a statue of a Stanford. Yeah, yeah, Benches.
Yeah, Benches is good. Although I found out, I can't remember who I heard this from. But if you if you get like a memorial bench or whatever, you have to be dead. No, well, yeah.
Well, I don't know if it's a memorial bench that yeah, I think you can just get a bench and I commemorate a bench. Yeah, myself right now. Don't you want to see the bench? Well, yeah, so I love sitting here.
Yeah. I mean, they died. I didn't get to see this. Yeah, we were going to do it.
That's like the best thing that has ever been on the internet is that commemorative bench. That's like this man hated this park and everyone. Yes. I can't even remember how long ago.
That was a while ago. But no, but what I was going to say is that you the bench, it's like, it's a contract. It's not like, okay, you're plax on the bench now and forever. You have to pay like by the year.
Oh, really? So, it's like, yeah, so the naming rights fee for like a stadium. Exactly. So if you decide at some point that you're like, okay, like, I don't care enough about this dead relative anymore to pay 500 bucks for this bench or whatever, then they just pop the plaque off and put another one else on there.
That's crazy. There's a waiting list for the benches. Like, that's why they started at White Rock Beach where I grew up. They the benches there.
They actually do two nameplates. They do them on the end because the benches are those like almost airport style where their seats on both sides. That's kind of like you shaped and they do caps. They do memorial caps on either side.
So they can actually sell to per bench. It's a big money making. Absolutely. Who wouldn't want to be billboards for dead people?
White Rock Beach. Well, but you can put a statue on the end of the pier and like, hopefully, yeah, you got to think statues are not that expensive. Like, they got to be equivalent cost to a tombstone. I don't know, man.
So like, why wouldn't art is expensive? Like, okay, let's actually be more expensive than a tombstone for sure. You think so? Okay, let's see.
Slab and then there's stuff carved into it and statue is like a culture. Here we go. Okay, sculptor.org custom commissioned sculpture for sale. Like, but like every time the city of Vancouver commissions some piece of art, they just get pilloried for it because yeah, but I only asked Douglas Copeland to do it.
But like that like fucking like poodle the dog that went up on like Canby, I think like by Broadway. Oh, the dog on the stick? Yeah. It's like a giant animated dog and didn't it cost like $40,000?
Yeah, more than that. Yeah, then a fucking statue of me if a poodle cost that much, it's probably going to be like a hundred thousand. Okay, here we go. I'm on Quora on Quora.com.
Okay, says how much does it cost to make a life size statue of someone? A sculptor would have to charge many thousands of pounds for a bronze cast or a carved marble just to cover their costs. The final price would depend on how famous the sculptor is you pay a lot for the name. If on the other hand you'd like to try your hand at sculpting there are certain materials that would bring the costs right down.
Then I have to do it myself. Well, and it also is like, it's like a dying geriatric Justin. Yeah, because I'll make it a statue. Well, and the suggestions are paper mache.
That's the first suggestion. First one to bring the cost down geriatric Justin making a paper mache statue in the Alzheimer's ward of his local nursing home, then styrofoam blocks plaster and logs. And then it says some modern artists use weird and wonderful materials including balloons, but that's another story. Did these people notice statues?
But apparently yes, so Wired ran an article back in February about 3D printing a life size statue of yourself. Oh, yeah, I'm into this. In the caption of one picture, they say life size 3D printed statues start at 15,000. Oh, for groups, I can go as high as 75.
It took over 500 hours to print and then the parts had to be assembled. Let me see if I can look at this article here. But to me, I mean, it seems like a no brainer 15 G's is nothing. If you're going to die, I mean, screw it.
Actually, this looks, I mean, it doesn't, it looks like you would be a character in a video game, but in life. Oh, that's very realistic. It's pretty good. So you can go my route into the real doll thing.
Yeah, I mean, there is also that, which is, yeah, but I mean, you have to already look like a sex doll as we discovered, which fortunately, Stephanie, you do. Yeah, exactly. So you're fine. Just lucky, I guess.
That's what I would call it. So it says, yeah, if you get, if you want like a small action figure of yourself, it's $95. If you want to Barbie, like a 10 inch tall model, it goes for 400 and a 14 inch tall model goes for 700. I'm making a Jesse Ferrer action figure.
Yeah, it's only 95 bucks. Can you can you like customize like they're holding something? I want to do a stay sip and Jesse Ferrer action. Yeah, I think you can, but it seems like you have to have your body scan, maybe says, yeah, the company has eight 3D scanning booths scattered in strategic locations throughout the world.
There's one in LA. So if Jesse comes to it, it's that Santa Monica. I want a rough estimate of what his body looks like. That's fair.
It's in Santa Monica place in Los Angeles. Yeah, you're just going to make like a Jesse Ferrer scarecrow basically. Yeah, it's like a garbage bag full of cream corn. And then scan that.
Yeah. We got it. Done. Yeah.
And it says that, yeah, so the company is called Dubbe and the things are called the duplicates. Okay. Mm. So they came up with that first and then we're like, I guess we should call it coming in the can't call them dupes.
Or reverse engine like worked backwards kind of cheating. Oh, wow. This is pretty. This is actually I've run into a great another great thing here on the same quorum.
This answer comes from George Wang sales. We could make marble bronze life-sized sculpture if make in marble prices about USD 1800. It is about USD 2200 in bronze. You find our art co is located in Q Yang County, Hey Bay province, which is known as the sculpture hometown of China.
Yeah, you know what? He's a smooth talker. This guy trust him George Wang. Yeah, it says it says realistically any if you want like a bronze statue, it's anywhere between 60,000 and 700,000.
Okay. Okay. I'm gonna go for the action figure. I think 95 bucks.
Yeah. And I'm still going to use it sexually. But well, I guess, yeah, I was going to say how would it fit. But then I forgot that we're talking about you.
Yeah. Yeah. He's going to eat it. I was going to shut up my ass.
Yeah, there. I mean, there's also that there's always that option that you can always consider that you can put it in your ass, attach a camera to it or something. And then make your own board. All right.
You know, this is a sports podcast. I only know about what that even is because of you. And yet I'm the sick one. I don't know.
I've never heard of stuff and talk about it before before. Yeah, never. It's all he talks about. What's more?
What is more? I've never heard of it. Is that like a video game or something? Just really disgusting.
Yeah, that is super sick that you would actually talk about. I would hope so. Should I even you know what? I was just talking about shelving an action figure of myself up my own ass and you have to go make it gross.
Yeah. Okay. I apologize. I apologize.
Okay. Thank you. I apologize. The listeners as well.
I accept. I've brought great shame to the podcast. You have and I figured I could put a camera on it. Oh, like four?
Yeah, like four. Oh, fuck you guys. Oh, well, last week, the day that we dropped the episode that came out last week, something happened that there were some people that were quite upset with us that we did not discuss on the episode, but the episode literally came out an hour after this news was announced. I know how we would have done that.
And I am, of course, referring to the Eric Good Branson contract extension. Yeah. So before before we get into that, we figured because a lot of people have been just lighting us up. They're like, we want you guys to talk about the Canucks and you know, we are sometimes a sports podcast and we don't have a guest today.
So we figured we get back to our roots by not only talking about the Canucks, but we are going to do a special Canucks mailbag edition of the show today because when I put out the regular call for questions, just for the talk three questions that we got a lot of Canucks questions. And so I will just kind of as the impartial observer. Yeah. You're our moderator.
I'm your moderator. Exactly. I'm just going to sit back and let it fly. You've got nothing to feel upset about at the end of this trade deadline.
Oh, I feel great. We made a good pickup. Kept all our guys. I wanted to.
We didn't get guys. I wanted us to avoid, like Luke Lendenning. Yeah, they were apparently in on Donna as well. Yeah.
But then McDonough, I mean, that was a what a haul. It was a pretty good haul. I mean, Tampa has better prospect. Like, it's one of those things where you look at Tampa's roster and you're like, okay, they didn't really give up that much.
Yeah. And they got JT Miller and they got JT Miller. So they didn't really give up like a ton, but like the Leafs don't have that kind of prospect depth where if they gave up that kind of package, they would be because someone was saying like the equivalent package for the Leafs would have been like a first and a second plus either Connor Brown or Zach Hyman plus Jeremy Brocco and Carl Grunstrom, which are like those are pretty like I think Grunstrom will be like an NHLer for sure. Brocco maybe.
But yeah. So that to me, like once it was put in that context, because I don't know that much about the prospects that Tampa gave up, I guess, Brad Houden a little bit. But yeah, they did give up in the mr. cough who haven't held the season.
But he's also playing with stamcose and cooturolls. Could not be a more fortuitous situation. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I could put up double digit points. Yeah, those guys know plug JT Miller probably into that exact spot and be like, yeah, we can we sign you for way cheaper than he's gonna be for them.
Yeah, exactly. So I will I'll just moderate this discussion. I'll ask you guys a few questions and we'll just we'll this will take us into the rest of the show. Yeah, because good Branson and that extension kind of relates to the trade deadline and how the Canucks either did or did not handle it, I suppose.
Yeah, exactly. So the first question comes in from Jamie at no names left 53. What the fuck are the Canucks doing? So I mean, I feel like this kind of, you know, because you were already talking about the good Branson extension.
So they're doing the same thing they've been doing for four years. Like it's not anything different. It is kind of a direction, I suppose, but this is exactly what we should have expected. They never ever ever trade for draft picks.
They traded for a draft pick last year in the in the Hanson deal and they also got gold open. And the only reason they made that trade was because of the expansion draft coming up. Probably the only reason they traded burrows was because he said, Hey, you can trade me. The last straight up player for picks deal they made, I believe was the X out but maybe Edilak, but I think it was the X was after that, which they then proceeded to trade up second round pick in the Brandon's other deal.
So it's not okay to say that they threw it away. Okay. It's not right to say that. Yeah, look, all right.
I want you to be clear about that. They included it in another trade for a bad player that they should not have, but that does not mean that they threw it away. So just, you know, watch your language when you discuss how they've handled trade and away draft picks. Okay.
Now, okay, if you could use a couple more $50 words there and extend it to like a 50 tweet thread for no reason, and maybe I'd be following you. But that's a matter that just makes no sense to me. Okay. They need to repeat yourself a few times and use a bunch of words that don't really need to be used in this situation at all.
And kind of just like circle back on yourselves a few times and don't really get to a point at all. And then when someone calls you, I don't have to say, Hey, I respect your opinion. You should respect my opinion. I mean, I think the thing is, Stefan, I don't really appreciate that you're, you know, you might be thinking that you're making jokes on the show, but I'm here to inform you that actually it's actually ad-hominant posturing.
So if you could just, if you could refrain from doing that in the show, that would be great. If you guys know who we're referencing, we're very sorry. You had to listen or see any of his tweets. Yeah, exactly.
Because he had, I think today, where the whole thing is like, well, yes, it was a second round pick that they gave up, but they got a later third round pick back and picked out William Lockwood. Well, okay, here's the thing. They didn't have to give that second, they could have kept the second round pick. They could have even better player than Will Lockwood.
The Brandon Sutter trade, if we can go to this for a second for some fucking god off of un-el-vide. It was a trade where Jim Rutherford and the Fifth Rip Penguins needed to clear cap space was basically over a barrel and had to get rid of a player. And along comes Jim Benning and says, hey, do you want my cheaper and better forward on a great contract for Brandon Sutter? Okay, all right.
I guess Jim Rutherford's like, well, obviously you're going to expect to throw in a pick. Jim Benning's like, well, okay, how about you give us a third and we give you a higher pick? And then also Adam Clendenning for some reason. Yeah, okay, so you said, sorry, William Lockwood, what was the trade?
It was nine ahead picks? I think so. Yeah. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine.
Philip Dostenson was chosen with that pick. He was just traded as part of the Bursar deal and he's considered the top goalie prospect in Ottawa's system. Dylan Dubey was picked right after Gustafson, Carl Grunstrom was picked right after Dubey, and Taylor Radish was picked right after Grunstrom. But I mean, we were able to get, I mean, we were able to get, I mean, I say, we, I mean, the Canucks were able to get a forward whose career might already be over because of significant neck injuries before he's even played a single day.
Well, I'm not the neck at shoulder injury. Shoulder, yeah. But the thorns are really, they're really bad. It's the same shoulder over and over again.
Same one twice. Yeah, he was back for like a month and I hurt the same shoulder again in the outdoor game. Yes. Yeah.
But hey, you know what? I mean, that's any time to go away. Not, not every team has a, as a will Lockwood. I know prospect cool.
That is very true. Not just every team has a, fact that Jersey has a Mackenzie Blackwood. So completely different. I think if I can just say something for a second, the thing that I can post about like the pro-bending people is they look at the team in like a complete vacuum where it's like, well, these guys have a lot of these good prospects and they have some decent prospects.
Pederson's a blue chipper. Ulevi is probably going to be an angelor. Um, Godette looks good. Colin looks good, but who knows the WHO?
Gadget looks decent. But again, it's, it's nothing amazing. And the, the problem is they look at this and go, okay, we, no one else has prospects like these. Like they have no knowledge of other teams prospect pools.
How far ahead other teams are, uh, how far behind the Canucks are. Or even just that the fact that like being an elite level scorer in the WHO does not guarantee that you're going to be a good pro player. Wind and Vay was an elite scorer. Yeah.
What happened with him? Like, you know, uh, well, the Canucks read a second form, but I mean, after that. But Colin looks like a good player and I am kind of excited about it. But that's also like just how a high second rounder should look.
Exactly. The other thing is, if I can just like, I cannot hammer this point home enough, people don't seem to get it. It's that, uh, well, we don't want to trade for late round draft picks because you can't get good players in there. And then when Benning listed his, uh, his like six blue chip prospects the other week, uh, I believe only two of them were first rounders and the rest were second rounders or later.
So, I mean, either Jimenez is the best drafter in the world and you should be wanting him to trade for more picks. Uh, or he's not that good of a drafter and you'd rather him do his pro scouting, which is horrendous. Like, I don't know, it was an exhausting day arguing with the dumbest people in the world. Yeah.
On, on, on Canak's Twitter. I mean, I don't know why I argue with them. It's, well, I think too, if you, if you look at like, like look at a team like Tampa Bay, so they're like arguably, I think most people would say they're the best team in the league right now. Oh, they were already the cup favorite before they got McDonough.
Exactly. And they still in their prospect system have Taylor Radish, Boris Kachuk, Calfoot, Anthony Sirelli, Mitchell Stevens, Dennis Lipponov, Connor Ingram, like they still have a, but like the thing that people don't seem to realize, at least about the Canucks, and I'm saying this as an objective person, is that if your team is as bad as the Canucks have been, you should have an unbelievable locker of prospects. You should have, yeah, a much longer list than the Tampa list you just read. Yeah, exactly.
And they don't. And they don't. Like they do, like you said, Seth, and they do have some good prospects for sure. They have one blue chip prospect and a lot of good to very good prospects.
But if your team is as bad as the Canucks have been for the last few years, you should have an absolute myth of a little prospects and they don't. And what people don't seem to realize is that they missed on two top six picks, which you can't miss on those picks. Like they did, you can't miss on two of them. And that sets yourself back.
Like, for Tannen is like a 20 point guy. Everybody says that like, you know, fucking hindsight is 20, it's easy to regret it after the fact. We were there. I remember distinctly the crushing sense of disappointment I felt when they did not draft Matthew Kuchuck.
You know, yeah. They had a draft party at Rogers Arena with the lower bowl was full of fans. And you could hear like the exacerbated sigh when they selected all of you levy. Yeah.
And that's nothing against all you levy and just like, I don't know, you know, like, it's exhausting. And you know what I'm terrified of this year is the Canucks get like the second or third overall pick and don't take Sebastian Kog or Zadina and reach for the first defense of their choice. Yeah, like a huge or I like those defense men, but I've really, really, because they're already saying we need a power play defense, we need a defense, which means there's a chance that they're picking second or third that they're going to reach for a defense because we've seen them do it. Yeah, they don't need any more forwards.
We're said, but I mean, I'm in traffic for positional need on your present lineup when your player is not going to be here for like four years, you can drop a position on the end like the second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth round. If you're the top, I pick the best fucking player. I it is as simple as that. Well, and it's funny because when they drafted you levy, that's what they said he was going to be you levy is going to be our number one D power player.
They're literally compared to the next room. And also prepared Brandon started to increase birth run and Erica Branson is a day now, so yeah, so there's like yesterday. Okay, the next question comes just wanted to make the one last point about Colin tearing up the WH. Sure.
Your friend, John, Trevor Cox, former student absolutely lit up the dub like a prolific score unbelievable pace. He didn't even get drafted. Yeah, exactly. Where's he playing right now?
He's playing for the University of Alberta. And so a lot of us like a lot of us. Cole in is he has some size to him. True.
Yeah, Coxy is small. That was always the problem for him. He's like five seven. But yeah, he was second in the WHL scoring to Oliver Bjorkstrand.
And that like I think with a point Justin's trying to make, which I think is valid. And I do think that Cole Lin is likely a better player than Coxy. Is that the points don't matter? Vancouver drafted Colin or rather Vancouver drafted Trevor Cox fans on Twitter would be like jerking off about it constantly watching his point totals because that's all they're looking at is point totals on Twitter.
Exactly. Ultimately, he plays for the University of Alberta. Well, yeah, you think about it like he came second in the WHL and scoring and that was in his draft plus one year. So in his draft year, I think he had around 70 points.
He's about a point per game player in his draft year. And there are guys that if they have size, get drafted with like 20 points in their draft year. I mean, he had 70 then it is D plus when he went on drafted that is D plus one year he's second in the WHL and scoring and every team in the NHL passed on him for all seven rounds or five rounds or whatever it is now. Yeah.
So so yeah, so you look at that and it's like it really shows you how little the scoring matters. And that's all I was trying to say. Exactly. Okay.
Next question comes in from the offensive Trevor who I'm sure is a lovely person. He's a great and he's a great hockey player, a great guy and he's he's leading the University of Alberta and scoring right now. And you know, I think he'll definitely have a career in Europe and some some guys do come out of Canadian University sports and make the NHL Joel Ward is probably the best player that did that. He played for PEI.
But yeah, I mean, he's he's a great kid. I'm Corey Crawford played for like, Moncton. Yeah, he might have. Yeah, there's a few guys that there's a there's a decent list of guys that made the NHL out of there, but it's unlikely for sure.
This next question comes in and it says Will Stefan's dad live long enough to see the Canucks win a Stanley Cup. I feel like we've gone this before. The question asked her is Stefan's dad. Sorry, dad.
I love you. You know that. But let's let's be realistic here. The question should be, will I live long enough to see it?
I don't think chances are too high for that either. I mean, you never know. Stranger things have happened. You know, the rest of the league could all die and some sort of freak like one of those like monkey diseases that get released, you know, like movies and stuff, but the Canucks are somehow okay.
And then they just kind of win the cup by default, but it's not looking good. Okay. Next question. So we've got a couple questions left here.
They're kind of a bunch of them cover a bunch of different things. This one is kind of a bit of a funnier one from her MacDurff and they ask how much more incompetence and buffoonery will it take for Stefan and Justin to become fans of a real hockey team? Generally, like if if so Seattle's gonna be around in what like three years probably? Probably two, three.
Yeah. So if Benning gets extended again, and it's kind of the same old shit, I am seriously going to consider becoming a Seattle fan because it's just the thing with Benning's contract is he has it's apparently it's two years with a one-year option. And he's got to be on thin ice and they have to be looking at the reaction to this deadline being like, oh, we we fucked up. We shouldn't we shouldn't extend to Benning.
But again, it's just this whole thing where it's over wait and see. We're gonna wait and see. Let's wait and see. But this is the Oilers.
This is the Oilers of 2010, 2011 minus any of the luck at the lottery. So I know, I mean, I think realistically, I'm always making a duck spend because I put so much time and effort and money into it. Yeah. Like, why would I give up?
Like what would be it would just be for nothing when there's the off-chance that maybe it will pay off one day. So it's I don't know. That's kind of how I felt about the leaves. Like, you know, we definitely had some awful awful, awful years didn't make the playoffs for a decade.
We talked last week about how you went in the entire season with the Washington single game. Yeah, exactly. And I haven't hit that point with the Canucks yet. And I think like professionally, I will be unable to ever hit that point.
Right. So maybe you'll get maybe you'll get high enough up on the totem pole that you won't cheer for anyone. Yeah, of course. There you go.
I've watched like four games all the way through maybe and I've watched kind of just bits and pieces here and there and I always make sure to read the probies. But that's kind of it and like I'll follow along on Twitter and but it's like what what is the point? It's an unlikable team with like, you know, four players worth watching run by a team of incompetent buffoons who are probably, you know, I can see them looking into it. I mean, I I don't think they will but they could look into Berlin and be like, well, we did it guys.
We are rebuilders over. Well, that's the thing that might happen is that the and I've said this before that I think might be the worst possible thing for you guys at least when it comes to the idiot fans is that the Canucks win the lottery, draft doline and become like a bubble playoff team and then people are like, see bending. It's that was all bending. Yeah, this is we have document is like hailed for winning the lottery against the consensus first overall player.
Yeah, well, that's Peter Chirrelli. Yeah, totally. And we're seeing what's happening there. So if you have a fucking conoring David, like, yeah, you can't make the playoffs on on a on a year of an entry level contract of the best player in the world.
Honestly, Lambert said this on my sports net show like a month ago that Chirrelli literally walked into the most enviable position that any general manager has ever inherited in history. Yeah, and still fucked it up. Totally. It's the grit and Reinhardt trade.
Like that's one of the worst that's the top 10 worst rate of all time, right? Totally. It's up there. One is the same thing that like that people do defending Benning is that people go like, Oh, he traded Griffin Reinhardt for the pick that was Matthew Barzal.
And so people are like, they gave up Reinhardt for Barzal. And then people are like, well, like if Edmonton kept that pick, they weren't going to take Barzal. So like, it's not you can't say that like that. So they went up to pick is well, apparently they were going to take Joel Erickson, who is still he was good, but he's definitely not he's not Barzal.
But yeah, but that's their whole justification. Like, well, he traded an asset. It wasn't like you can't say it was Reinhardt for Barzal just because the Islanders took Barzal with that pick. It's like, well, what about the kind of man?
Well, good. Benning is he hasn't made a trade to that bad. That's true. There's the whole, it's really the whole death by a thousand cuts thing.
And I was saying this today on Twitter, I wonder if the reason the Canucks don't seem to get offered draft picks is because Benning has shown a proclivity for acquiring shitty middling tweener AHLers, like he loves doing that. So teams know they can just be like, Hey, take this dude. And Benning will be like, Well, I don't know. And then they'll eventually like he's, he's traded himself into just like this horrible position, where, and I laughed so fucking hard at the people who in, you know, last year's trade element, which was like a good deadline, but it's also kind of like, that's just the bare minimum expected of a GM on a selling team.
Right. It was that, Oh, the ham, he was in verbata debacle. That was actually good because it showed that Benning wasn't, he wasn't gonna back down. He would wait until he got a good deal.
Well, what is, what happened this year? I guess that theory, there's like a few holes in that theory. Yeah. Well, okay, here's a question for you, for you guys, then.
Like, do you think that part of that is like Benning's like, thought in his mind that like, I'm a great scout, like I'm going to find these even like, AHL guys that I think are being undervalued, and I'm going to bring them up. Here's the thing though, like I'm saying he's wrong, like, because what's the point? What's the best that Tyler Mott is going to be is like a third liner? The entire tenure of this regime, their draft record has been good, you know, not great, but good.
And certainly people look at this past draft as their best ever. The further away we get from that draft, the more it turns out that he basically surrendered full control to Judd Brackett and had nothing to do with most of the picks outside of the first round. Well, that's what most people say. Like, if you listen to any podcast where they talk about the drafting process, the general manager usually makes your first round pick or picks, and then your scouting staff makes all the other picks.
That's very normal. That's supposed to be like, yes. So, like all of the people pointing that Benning has been a draft genius for this most recent draft, it's like, I guess he's a genius for promoting Judd Brackett and letting him do his job. That might be Benning's best move when we look back at his time here, which I hope to God we're able to look back at it at some point.
I think promoting Judd Brackett was that was a great move. Hey, do you know who hired Judd Brackett in the first place? Mike Gillis. Oh, the guy who was trying to revamp the drafting staff.
Can you, can people legitimately look me in the face and say that if Mike Gillis was given the exact same draft picks as Jim Benning, first of all, he probably would have gotten more draft picks because Mike Gillis once traded for the ninth overall pick. Yes, and he's best asset in fact. Yeah, our friend Jackson, Jackson Mcdonald tweeted the other day that that's a bigger rebuilding move than Jim Benning's ever made. And I agree with that.
Yeah, absolutely is. Mike Gillis, if the chance to rebuild, we're looking at William Neelander on the Canucks, Nikolai Eelers on the Canucks, Dylan Larkin on the Canucks, they wanted Dylan Larkin, they really liked Dylan Larkin. So they're not making the good brands and trades, so they are probably drafting to Brackett with that second round pick. And if you're as friendly Jim Benning wanted to bring that too, but what ended up happening there, they threw away the pick for nothing?
No, no, Stephen, throw away is not correct. Don't say that. But what I was going to say is that while they're amateur drafting and scouting, rather amateur scouting has been good over the course of this regime, consistently, again and again and again, the pro scouting has been fucking terrible, not just in terms of their signings and who they bring in through free agency because obviously that is like you need to find a match, right? You need to find someone who wants to come to you in addition to who you want to sign and sometimes that can be difficult to understand that.
When you are targeting players in trades, they don't need to consent to be sent to you and the players that they target are time and time again, so bad, man, just so bad. Let me just give you a quick incomplete list. This is like seven or eight players that Benning has brought in and people add like, oh, what about Troy's stature? Well, that was an amateur scouting pick, by the way.
He's also a hometown boy, so of course he wanted to come here. Well, there's that too. It's the same thing with like the Thatcher Demko pick, which is great, but it's also like congratulations. You picked the top rated goalie in the draft where he was ready to go.
Well, and also just before you get into that, just to quickly further your other point, they nailed the bow or that pick. Like if you look at the other people taking around him, so Nokushkin was taken after him. He's in the KHL. Sam Morin was taken 11th.
He has not cracked the NHL lineup for the Flyers yet. Max Domi was 12th. He was falling apart and Arizona is trying to trade him. Josh Morris.
He was 13th, so he's good. Alexander Wenberg was 14th. He's like a middling player. It's pretty good.
Yeah, Ryan Poluck was 15th. Nikita Zadarov, 16th Curtis Lazar, 17th Merkom, Euler, 18th. Kirby Rijkle, 19th. So like those were the guys that they would look at at 9th and you pretty much it's inarguable that Horvat's the best of those players.
So they nailed that pick too for people who say like, oh, Gillis didn't understand that you have to build the team through the draft. Yeah, his last ever pick, like his last ever first round pick was Bohorv. And like he had a completely different goal throughout his entire tenure, which was to augment a winning team to be a cup winner. So of course he traded away.
Exactly. It's fucking infuriating one people. So here's, I got here's, this is a murderous row, Lyndon Bay, Emerson, Edem, Adam Kline, Danning, Marcus, Graham, Lynn, Philip Larson, Derek, Pudan, Nick Dowd, Barkowski. I mean, Sven Berci.
Sven Berci is their biggest success, which I love Sven Berci, but think about that, you know? And also it's a matter of like, timing, you know, like, you don't need a tweener player like, like, even the Graham, Lynn trade too. Yes, they won that trade. I've admitted it before, and if that makes you happy, they won that trade.
Marcus, Graham, sucks. Like, you could wave him. I don't know if he like, he's not very good, you know, like, what would we be losing if we lost Marcus Granwood? And that's one of Benning's like top five trades ever.
A fourth line winger right now, really? Oh my God. Anyway, it's, they just don't know their pro scouting is the worst in the NHL. Before before I move on to our next question, though, I just wanted to say I believe it was during the live stream during the draft lottery last year, where I said, and I was joking at the time, that I was going to become a Vegas gold and Knights fan until Benning is fired, basically.
And like, how much better would my life be right now if I actually followed through on that? You'd be so thrilled because they're not only are they good, they play a super exciting brand of hockey. They're great to watch. You probably a little fat today that they traded Brandon life sick.
Yeah, exactly. That's like my big win over the season as a fucking Canucks fan. Okay, I will say I like that trade. Yeah, me too.
Because, you know, the right people like Brandon Leipzig, and he's he's a fun little shithead on the ice. It sounds like I just want something entertaining to happen because Brock Besser is broken at this point in the season, and the rest of the team sucks ass. I saw a clip of Leipzig as a junior player. He got an unsportsman like conduct penalty for drinking the goalie's water bottle.
Yeah, he's a good dude. Okay, last question before we move on to our other questions. And I want you guys to answer this in one minute. We're running late and this is from a longtime listener Karen DeGraw.
And I think this is a good question. If you had Benning's role for the last month, what moves would you have made leading up to the trade deadline? And she says, let's assume you have the support of your ownership and you were restricted to the known cap space, etc. Okay, okay, I tweeted earlier this exact sort of answer.
But basically, you got one minute. You'll connect an entire roster and scratch out the names Besser, Sadeen, Horvat, Stetcher, possibly Berci, maybe Vertan. And like that should have been your entire shopping list for the entire league. You know, if there's this weird message board that general managers post on, you post your entire fucking roster and say every single one of these guys is up for grabs, and you can have any one of them for a pick.
And when you look at the guys who were actually traded for draft picks today, it's impossible to believe that there is no one in the entire Vancouver system who couldn't have fetched an extra draft pick. It is impossible to believe that. Like it is infuriating to look at the New York Rangers who right now are already better than Vancouver with the moves that they made today are going to be better again in their next cycle faster than the Canucks because of the moves that they made today. It is like completely ridiculous that they couldn't find a taker for a depth defenseman.
Literally anyone. You could have traded anyone for a draft pick. Anyone. Right on one minute.
Perfect. So you would have traded for draft picks. I mean, I do agree. I think that when Brandon Bolig is fetching a draft pick, Thomas Van actually probably get you a draft pick.
Kevin Tar in the real good group posted this list, Nikita Soshnikov, Eric Fair, Jacob, Jeribak, Jacob Jeribak. I don't even know that it's yeah. Frank Vittrano Brandon Davidson who was on waivers like a month ago. Mark Latestu, Troy Groce, Nick and Brandon Bolig, Ian Cole, Joe Moro, Nick Shore, Mike Riley, Tommy Wingles.
Every single one of those players was traded for a pick today. They couldn't even get a seventh for Thomas Van. So crazy. Okay, Steph and go.
All right. Brandon Bolig hasn't been in NHL since 2016 and along with like a minor goal that you went for a sixth round pick. You're telling me Alex Beige, Nick Dowd, Reed Boucher, couldn't fetch like a late round pick. Like who fucking cares at this point what you have in Nick Dowd and I love Alex Beige, but get rid of him for something.
The idea that Thomas Vanneck because he had a bad show with Florida last year has zero value is insane. And I think what I would. So first of all, I traded Branson for the rumored second rounder and fourth rounder. Just get whatever the fuck you can get for him, get him off the team.
And then pump up the value of your players around the league. Ian McIntyre is your mouthpiece. And here he is two weeks before the deadline writing articles saying like, well, they're gonna have trouble getting anything for Vanneck because no one wants him. Like, it just seemed like they had given up already.
And I think a big part of it was the uncertainty of was banning an extended or not. So I don't know, it's just plan ahead maybe because it seems like year after year, they don't have it. They're sitting on their hands until the last minute and it's like, oh, fuck, we should have done something. So I would have planned ahead or to trade a good Branson and I would have thrown all of your depth away for picks because why the hell not?
It's not working now. Right. Okay. So you guys are kind of on the same page.
Yeah. Like just work the phones. Yeah. Like so many of the people that tweeted at me today were like, well, you can't get rid of stuff that people don't want.
It's like, well, every other team seemed to have no problem getting rid of players that I would never want on my team. Work the phones be proactive. Like, oh, no, he called on bega. No, they shouldn't.
You should call them and be like, yeah, you need a defense man. I got bega. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Here we go. It's the utility in here that people think, Oh, well, he did his best. Like, if no one wanted to give picks for Vanneck, then like, you know, McNair saying no one offered a seventh rounder for Thomas Vanneck.
Are you fucking kidding me? Someone traded a sixth round pick for Brandon Bullock. Brandon Bullock in his prime was worth a sixth round pick. He's been in the league for two fucking years and you and he gets a sixth round pick.
Are you fucking kidding me? All right. Well, that's light in the mood in here because you guys are obviously purely devastated. I'm like, it's just funny.
Like honestly, when the trade happened, you can see too much tweets in a row. The first one being like, you know what? Like, it's the bare minimum, but good job to Vanneck for getting rid of Vanneck before we saw what the call was. And then immediately after I was like, Oh, yeah, I traded for a mott and you see yolk in it.
For a salary dump. They took on a salary dump in the trade and still didn't get a pick. How does that even possible? One last thing, it's gonna be really funny when you see yolk in wins just a couple games in the shootout.
And we, uh, we drop a couple spots in lottery. Anyway, onto things that matter. All right. Well, this is a, I think you guys will love this one.
This is a great, uh, this is a great clip of the week. This comes in from our old friend we haven't heard from it awhile. Stephen Adams from the Oklahoma City Thunder. Uh, there is being an autobiography written about Stephen Adams and being an autobiography written.
Yes, an autobiography is being written. Uh, it's late, uh, to, uh, yeah, they're writing an autobiography about Stephen Adams and they're asking him about it. And he's not writing it a ghost, a ghost writer. Oh yeah, I see what you're saying that.
Yeah. It's supposedly an autobiography, but it's being ghost written. So they're asking him about who's writing it. Is that what you're correct?
No, he was making fun of your syntax. Okay, that's what I'm general and then I did. I just want you to know that if I had said that sentence, you would have made fun. Oh, that's fine.
Yeah, totally. I haven't even watched the clip yet. No, none of us have, but I'm assuming it's great. I saw some quotes and it sounded really funny.
This is Stephen Adams. Of course, uh, I think he's one of the official basketball players of the dough. Definitely. If not, the official NBA player for real good show.
Exactly. Stephen, do you have an autobiography? I don't know. So we heard there's a thing going around Twitter and then I just told him that.