Hello and welcome to another episode of Retrospection. We're wearing our Raybans 2 perfection, our Sam Cook collection as a massive diameter and we're rhyming in iomic pentameter. As we go moonlighting the American Romantic Comedy Series that ran from 1985 to 1989. My name's Colin and this may be a good time for you to have a little chit chat.
Well if there's ever a time this is the time isn't it? It is yeah when we're face to face. I did like the little mr. pesto moment that you had there, that was good.
Thank you. I assume that's what you were doing. Yeah yeah. That was the idea.
Have you got more of that by the way? That's it. Oh my god for that. And my name's Paul and remember lesson one, imagine your entire audience is completely naked, boggles the mind doesn't it?
I said your audience. Oh, oh, oh, oh, sorry. You are the audience. You're my audience right now and I'm your audience.
That is true. We can only see each other. TVDB says when farmer fashion model Maddie Hayes goes broke and finds that one of her few remaining assets is ownership of the blue moon detective agency, she is tempted to liquidate it until she meets the quirky employees and gets involved in their even quirkier cases. That's a rather long winded explanation for this, isn't it really?
It is. And I don't think she meets the quirky employees except her supposed to pesto, but that doesn't win her over. I guess it's a series of scripts rather than a pilot description. Because in the pilot I think the pesto has only got two, maybe three scenes.
Do we even meet McGillicottie in the first season? No. We don't do it. I don't think he's in the first season.
No, no, no, he's a later thing. So the pilot episode says Bruce Willis is David Addison, civil shepherd as Maddie Hayes, Alice Beasley is Agnesto pesto. And that's kind of all I've done for the cast for the pilot because there's nobody else that's in the show. Yeah.
I mean, there are other actors in this that are good and that we know from other things that faces that pop up. And we'll probably talk about them as we're going through it really, won't we? Yeah. Directed by Robert Botler and written by Glenn Gordon Karen.
Yeah, Robert Botler's he was the go-to guy for pilots, wasn't he? He did everything from Hill Street Blues, most of the club in Nycawler, Remington Steel, Colombo, the Wi-Fi VO mission impossible. And he did the very first Star Trek pilot, the cage. You know, I've been an interesting way to theme a period of watching TV is to pick a director and then watch every TV show they did.
Yeah, or maybe just just the pilots. Yeah. Yeah. I think Robert Botler was a pilot guy.
He was he was he was the top tier pilot guy that you would try and get. If you had a pilot, that's a youth car. You think about all those credits. There's some good stuff there.
I didn't hear a single bad one. The ones you've listed. I mean, you probably cherry-picks. I did cherry-picks.
There's a lot more. Yeah. Okay. Each episode was shot like a film using film camera movements, techniques, lenses.
And this actually made it one of the most expensive shows of the time and took forever to film an episode. Yeah, apparently they there's lots of shots of civil shepherds legs in episodes, isn't there? They used to film her walking out of the left and walking down corridors just to kill time while they were between Riting. Oh, is that what they said that's the reason?
Yeah. Oh, okay. Are you suggesting other things in their college? No, no, no, no, no.
Scripts were often rewritten on the day of filming, leaving Willis to Shepherd to have to learn pages of dialogue right before shooting the scene. And those scripts were twice the size of other shows because they amount to dialogue. Yeah, no, um, it's about 12 to 14 days usually, wasn't it? Yeah.
Shepherd wanted Glencart, God and Karen fired. And he did eventually quit because he thought that if it came down between him or her, the studio would choose to get rid of him. That's obvious, really, isn't it? You're not going to get rid of one of your main stars, are you?
But as there ever been a show that survived, I've been getting rid of its original creator, or one of its main stars. And not even getting rid of just them leaving. It's not really. Not a main star, not that I can think of.
I mean, there's been shows that we talked about on the podcast that tried to do it and then got the main star back. I think chips were some chips, chips tried it, didn't they, for a while. Yes. Yeah.
And then panic. Yeah. Oh, they've done it. And then it's lasted like maybe a season.
I think it's Lucy Lollis, through the replacement in X-Files. Is that right? Am I a mix of them? I can't remember.
I know there was a replacement for a while. Yeah. I think Duke's have had a do it for a little bit as well. And then they brought them back.
Does they do the, yeah, yeah. I think they were cousins. Sounds about right. It's tough.
It's tough to do. I mean, I can think of shows where they've had ensemble casts and they've brought people. The one that comes to mind is Dax and DS9, where they recast the actress playing there. But even then, I think that actress was any one season.
It was the last season. It was the end. Yeah. But no, it doesn't usually work, does it?
At one point, because Willis had broken his classical skiing and Shepherd was pregnant, they weren't in many scenes. In fact, Mark Harmon, who was in the later season, would do entire scenes, was they're not even on set. They were just doubles. I can understand that.
I suppose we should say that this show did have a reputation for being one of the toughest sets to work on. And that was down to Bruce Willis and Sibyl Shepherd, wasn't it? Yes. And also, I think that just because they couldn't even make the number of episodes they were supposed to make because the production always felt behind, partly because of them and partly because of the way it was made.
I don't think they had a very good relationship though, did they? I think it started off okay, but got worse as it went on. I think it got worse after die, didn't it? Yeah, because he wanted to be a movie star maybe.
Yeah. And I, you could argue that she already was a movie star, to a certain degree, really. Yeah. Did you read that he, he got down to the fact that he would try and do as little amount of work as he possibly could and he was trying to get out of work as quickly as he possibly could at the end of every day.
I always wondered why he loved Bruce Willis so much. I did. Really? Okay.
Now it now becomes clear. Why isn't I at all for you? Yeah. Yeah.
If you can get away with it, you will love you. Yeah. I mean, he was Bruce Willis. He was?
Still is? Yes, it was. When they had episodes that focused on Agnes and Burt, after about 20 minutes, the ratings would plummet because audiences would realize that Willis and Shepherd were not going to make an appearance. Oddly enough, it's the opposite of this podcast when people realize I'm not in it.
The downloads are higher. That's not true, Colin. I'll protect you, don't worry. You said the episodes were expensive.
I actually looked at the figure and roughly run about 1.6 million per episode, which is a lot for the time. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. Otherwise, have you seen the show 3-body problem?
Oh, the new thing on Netflix. Yeah, it's science fiction show. I haven't seen it. I'm aware of it.
Okay. I've watched it. I liked it. But apparently it costs 20 million in episode.
I have no idea what that money is watching that show. Are there any big names in it? No. Okay.
I mean, I know. I mean, a lot of the actors are British because it was filmed in the UK. You think there's a little bit of creative accountancy going on there? I don't know.
I just can't see. There's effects, but not enough to make that kind of budget. I have no idea. This is just terrible producing.
Yeah. There's two for the show, five for me. That kind of thing. Yeah.
Yeah. So you're talking about how high that is. It just seems so low now. But like you said, high at the time.
You call it terrible producing. There's some producers who would say that's quality producing. Yeah. It depends on getting about 20 million.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Okay. So the pilot heard on BBC One, the 26th of May 1986 at 9.50 PM.
And then the series actually started on Thursday of that week on BBC Two, which is almost a year after the series started in America because it earned on the third of March 1985, which took almost a year to come across. That was pretty much perfect. Of course, wasn't it for getting American shows over here at that time? We always just get my money on at least a year after the season of the season of the States.
It seems strange now. It does. So a schedule for that night on BBC One was, okay, at 5.30 PM. A film?
BBC One? Yeah, BBC One. 5.30 PM is a film from 1980 called The Wild Cats of Centrineans, which was a remake of the Centrineans films. I've never even heard this one.
No. And remind me what day of the week this was? This was Monday, I think 26th of May. Okay.
Moving on at 5.30 on a Monday. Is that okay? Finishes at 7pm. And then Wogan is on.
Of course. Yeah, Terry Wogan. Yeah. 7.40 PM, the Guinness Book of World Records.
We lived back then, didn't we? That was TV. That's a night of TV, though. 8.55 PM, the Ross Abbott show.
I always thought Ross Abbott was always on ITV. But apparently not. Even on the BBC, wasn't he? Yeah.
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm loving it so far.
9.30 PM, the news. Although on BBC Two, Naked Video was on. Yeah. Naked Video.
So what a flip to flip to flip a naked video. We should explain what naked video was, because it isn't what it sounds like. It was a comedy sketch show, wasn't it? Exactly.
Yeah. Yeah. 9.50 PM, moonlighting pilot, which finished at 11.20 PM, where you got a program called Summer of 66, which was a show about football in 1966. Of course it was the one year where we won something.
Yes. Yeah. 11.55 PM, whether then off off. Gets a bed.
Yeah. That's it. Don't. National Anthem, shut off.
Honestly, didn't realize it is. I didn't realize that it was this 86. Yes. We were still...
Was it 6 o'clock news? There was no news that day, obviously. It was not the news until... So you get one lot of news at 9.30, that's it.
But we're still having the days of clothes down where TV would just stop back then? Yeah, it just stopped. So I guess 11.55 is weather. So I'm guessing five minutes and then midnight it turns off.
I always thought that that stopped a lot earlier than that, really. That we used to... Because we got like 9.TV at some point, didn't we? In the 80s.
Yeah. But I think that was an ITV thing at first. So did the BBC never did that? They also did it eventually, but I think ITV was the first.
Yeah. That was when they used to show all the cheap American TV shows that they used to buy in bulk. Yeah, usually just five seconds after the big cancer. Yeah, it was almost like they went down to the Costco of cancelled American TV shows and just bought as much as they could, wasn't it?
I'll give you one eye-weight man and two War of the Worlds for a tenner. I don't know. I don't know. Can I take a street talk?
He's got all these cans in the back of a Ford Fiesta. One guy. That's some quality TV that we had back then. Come on, you used to watch the cyber and you used to laugh.
Oh, cuss it out. Yeah. Can you remember why you used to watch the moonlighting? Because I was thinking about this.
Now we get like YouTube trailers or Instagram people are talking about it. We know every show that's coming out, but we would never have known what moonlighting was. I didn't get the radio times during the year, only ever at Christmas. So we want to go from that.
So how the heck would we have known to watch moonlighting on BBC One at 950? Was it a case of it's American? It's a new show. We should probably watch it.
Because don't forget, we would never have heard of Bruce Willis. We wouldn't even have heard of Sir Wachep. No, no, not really. I think that's what it is.
I think it was the fact that we used to just soak up whatever American TV shows were on at the time. You know, sometimes we stuck with them and sometimes we didn't. But we'd always check it out because we felt we should. Because it's weirdo things change, isn't it?
Because I remember back in the day thinking that all American stuff was far superior to the stuff that we were putting out. Yes. Yeah. And I kind of swung the other way now.
Oh, yeah. A little bit. Oh, yes. But then also back then, like America shows were on prime time.
Like 5pm on a Saturday, 7pm on a Saturday, we'll be an America show. 18, night riders, street orc, minimal. Oh, they were all prime time shows for us, wouldn't they? Yeah.
Yeah. It's a weird thing. That doesn't exist anymore. No, I mean, they're shunted to streaming services or...
Channel 5. Channel 5. Yeah. Yeah.
I'll tell you what though, you really didn't schedule. At least we know if we had to murder McFly ourselves back in time, at least we'd know one day in that year where we both were watching Moonlightin. You'd be too busy trying to get off of your bomb. No, that was a reference to Back to the Future.
So I've been like, yeah. Wasn't a reference to you. Yes. I'll let that go.
Okay. At least you didn't say your dad. Well, I wouldn't have made sense for that. No, no, no, I don't.
Um, yes. So I don't even remember. We... I remember having long conversations about every episode with you over in the 90s.
Yeah, that's quite a conversation. We'll hopefully come back tonight. So... Yeah, nope.
Yep. It's true. We used to talk about it. I used to tape every episode.
I remember. I've got used to borrow those tapes sometimes. Yeah. Because we want to...
There were no repeats of it, so it was the only way we could see it again. No, it was the one and done. Yeah. It was the days of when you could go down and buy it.
Or stream it. Streaming was just a fantasy. It was something that happened in Sertrek. So, um, we would have watched this that night.
Yes. That's where we would have been. On the 26th of May 1986. Not together, we should say.
No. No, no, no. I wasn't watching on my possible TV. I had my bedroom.
Yes, I mean, too. And in fact, I think my portable TV at that time, I mean, you were posh. You probably had a coloured one, didn't you? 86, not totally sure.
I don't remember ever seeing the opening credits in black and white, so maybe. But I had a computer attached to it, so it's probably going to be coloured. Mine was black and white. Mine was black and white.
And it had those dials that you had to turn to tune the channeling. You wind it up. You didn't wind it up, no. Sometimes I had to give it a thump.
Um, because I broke the knob off. I bet you did. Yeah, I did. I was a bit too heavy-handed with the tuning knob.
So you had to change the channels. It was a little knob that you turned. Right. And it was almost like tuning a radio.
It was great TV because you'd be able to find, like, Yorkshire TV and things like that, if you, you know, had a fiddle around with it from the aerial. Right. Um, was the TV better than Wankish or TV? Sometimes they'd have different stuff on it.
Oh, yeah. Like, oh, they used to do that way tonight too. And the ITV's there didn't like, think they would have a fair of duty on. Exactly.
I wouldn't have it on. Exactly. But I think I was a little bit too vigorous with my knob. And I broke it off.
But I had an ingenious solution. Are you still going? You're still going? I asked.
I had an ingenious solution, which looking back on it was probably not the safest thing to do. So I got a screwdriver. Yeah. I jammed it into the hole while the TV was switched on.
Right. Yes, yes. And tuned it with the screwdriver. Yeah, that probably wasn't the safest of things to do.
No, no. I'm still here. You know. As an effect, did you mentally?
Has it? Yeah. What amazed me is this was a school night, and it was up till 11.20 p.m.? Oh, we were maverick, so we didn't have rules.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, screw rules. Exactly.
Appreciate. Yeah. Is it fair to say that moonlighting is kind of forgotten now? And if so, why?
Because it was a very innovative show at the time. And there were lots of parodies, including one of the Muppy Babies, there was an episode of Riptide, it's a parody of it, and other shows. Yeah. You sent me a link to that.
I watched that. Yeah. Which one? The Riptide.
The Riptide. It's pretty cool. Yeah, it is. Yeah.
Yeah. It's better than the Les Dennison dusting G-parroding. I remember that was terrible. Of moonlighting?
Yeah, that was bad. Yeah, it's a weird thing. I mean, considering the fact that it's Bruce Willis's breakout role as well. And it isn't something you can find anywhere streaming, I don't think.
Oh, no, it is now. It is. It's not available on physical media. The DVDs have been deleted.
But it has taken 35 years to appear on a streaming service because of music licensing issues. And so it's now on Hulu, over here anyway in the States. Can't find it over here at minute. Yeah.
Right. Okay. Because I looked when we were doing this. All right.
Okay. Yeah, because a lot of problems, because there's a lot of music in the show. And it's popular, well-known music, a lot of, there's a lot of Motown music, for example. And so when the DVDs released, some of the songs were switched out.
I have a lot, isn't it? Yeah. But the people who did the episodes for streaming, and they've remastered them in HD, have tried to keep as much music as possible, especially if it's important to the episode. And also on the DVDs, they got rid of all the cold openings before the credits.
All right. There are a lot of them missing. Now the people who did the streaming, they found all the cold openings and they've put them all back. Oh, so they put the work in them.
Yes. Yeah. So hopefully maybe a physical version will come out. Yeah, because I mean, not to give any in a way, but I'd be interested to watch them all again, I think after watching this.
Yeah. All right. Well, that's the end of RetroSpec. Yeah.
Thanks. Bye. Yeah. I wonder whether then if maybe those issues have affected, why have been a little bit forgotten, because of access to it?
Yeah, probably. I'm also surprised that nobody's tried to reboot it or remake it. I mean, the concept of two detectives, you pick up. But this, oh, I know that's been done to death.
I know there's a million of them, but actually do moonlight again. Actually do moonlight again. Or make it as a movie. You're a movie.
Oh, they were talking of doing a movie in the early mid 2000s, and Sippo Shepherd was up for it, and Bruce Willis was up for it, but it just never happened. Do you know what? I can imagine though, some bright spark coming up with the idea of casting someone like Chris Pratt these days as David Addison. Well, he's never been.
You know, that kind of actor, you know. And I mean, look at this bald guy movie. Yeah, that's not really to do with this podcast, but what do you think of that? I mean, I'll see it because it looks kind of like a silly.
I'm using a bit of fluff, but I'm not watching it because it's a full guy. Is it another because I've not seen the trailer. Is it another attempt where they make a parody of the original show? I don't think it is.
You know, I think it's just doing its own thing. It just happens to be called the full guy, and I think the main character is called Sievers, and that's it. And he's a stunt man. I need to do that.
I never understand the logic behind that of stealing a name and then changing everything, because who are you doing that far? Because the original fans of the show, they're not going to be interested. And the younger audience that you're trying to catch, they're not going to recognise anything. There's no connection.
So what was the point? Just call it a stunt man. Call me a stunt man. You're an excellent man.
Yeah, generic stunt man. Might as well. Might as well. Yeah.
I'll see it, but as I say, not because of what it is. Not because of the link, because it's not the full guy. Well, we're not here to talk about the full guy. We're here to talk about moon lighting.
So let's leap into the pilot episode. Expertly done, Colin. So we don't get any open credits. Not really.
No, we don't. We don't get our Aushiro theme tune. We do get it later, don't we? A little bit.
Oh, yeah, but it's not the same version. Is it song even? It's just incidental. It's just incidental.
It's incidental. Okay. Yeah. But I was hoping pilots would not necessarily usually get the thing tuned anyway in most pilots.
I guess because the logic is it's not, it might never be a TV series. It's just it's going to be a TV movie. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. We don't even begin with Silver Shepherd or Pre-Sawless. We open on some random guy. Yeah, this guy, Dennis Stewart playing the assassin.
He is an interesting character. Tell me more. He always played a lot of thugs and hoodies. Hoodies.
Heavies. Hoodies. Hoodies. He's probably most famous as Leo in Greece.
He's the sleazy, I think they're called, Creaface, don't they? Oh, right. Yeah. That does the race with him at the end of the thing.
And he used to turn up in not TV shows, didn't we, were kids? He was always like a bad guy or a henchman or something like that. Yes. He lived a very different life from the roles that he played.
He was apparently a really nice lovely guy. And apparently unfortunately he died in, he was quite young when he died in 1994 at the age of 46. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah.
Oh, thanks for bringing the show down. That's all right. That's what I'm here for. Yes.
Yes. But he's good in this. He is. Playing a punk, I guess.
Yeah. A birth-footed punk. Birth-footed punk. Yes.
He runs birth-footed. Yeah. He's going to hurt your feet that, isn't he? You would think so in the city.
Yeah, I mean he's around concrete. Yeah. Yeah. But maybe that's his thing.
We've all got. We've all got to have a thing. What's your thing? I don't care too much.
I don't mean to laugh, you know, but okay. But you did. I'm going to do that. Yeah.
All right. We get a man. He puts on two watches. Yeah.
If these watches are valuable to him, why does he wear it when he's jogging? Why don't you just leave it at home? We're safe. Oh, because he wants his, because if the watch has sentimental value to him, as well as financial value, and also he doesn't trust anybody to leave it at home.
So he doesn't trust his wife? No. He's already looking quite cinematic about this, isn't it? This I'm kidding.
Don't you think? Yes. Yes. Yes.
Doesn't look like your regular TV thing. I guess that's down to a robber-foot though. That's why he was so in demand for this kind of stuff. And also it's what Glenn God and Cameron wanted.
Wanting to look like a movie. He his whole thing was every episode of the moonwriting should be like a film. It'll be interesting if we did go back and watch the series, whether they kept that up. Yeah.
I imagine the first two seasons for me. And then they fall back into the TV way of doing things. You know, you do your master shot, you do your over the shoulders and your coverage, and then you're done and you're out. You know, that kind of thing.
Yeah. Yeah. As far as I knew that, didn't you? Yeah, you've been reading again, didn't you?
So the punk is running alongside the man, who's also jogging. The punk is carrying a gun, and he starts to chase the jogging, right? Mm-hmm. Kurt hits him, and then the punk runs over as if he's like, going to help the jogging, but he steals the watch.
He doesn't look like something that would kill you. I'm pretty sure I could survive that. Well, should we try? Well, try to run me over.
Yeah. Yeah. You were up the street, right? And I'll chase you at your car, right?
What speed do you think of going up? 30 miles an hour? 30, aren't they? It looks like you're doing about 10 miles an hour.
All right. I don't mind. We'll be in service. If it's a 10 miles per hour, I'll drive into you at 10 miles per an hour, and we'll see what happens.
I don't think it would kill me. That's a vibe. You think? Yeah.
Yeah. I can't survive that. OK. We'll give it a go.
I can't surprise you that you. So it's probably just suggested it after 40 years ago. Well, yeah. It's just a curtain.
It's a great idea. And I'll get off because I'll just say, well, look at the podcast. He wanted me to do it. OK.
Listen to it. OK. There's the evidence. It was an experiment gone wrong.
The next time we're in the same country, well, we'll have a go. OK. All right. But they just kill this guy.
It does kill him, yes. Yes. The punk steals watch. And we're off.
And then we cut to photos of Sybil Shepherd on a wall. It's interesting to have these photos and posters. They're obviously from a lot of the older ones from her career as a... Yeah.
Genuine pictures of her when she was a model and a younger show was at film. I remember those pictures in photographs. Oh, what did you do? Like I said, I heard of them for long.
Like two minutes, 30 seconds. Yeah. Not that long. Yeah.
So we get... And she hears smashing and wakes up. Yeah. Apparently, Maddie hired Mario as a personal chef.
I don't know. That always makes me laugh when he's talking about his check. And he goes, he goes, he goes, he goes, he peeps, he peeps, he peeps, he peeps. He's still always laugh at that.
No, no, no. All the performances, including the two leads, they're all bigger than life, aren't they? They're all... Oh, yeah, yeah.
I've got a problem with it. They're all completely fit. They're all white. They've all got something about them.
They're not far away. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I'm pretty sure this guy, because he loses his temper instead of smashing a plate of... I'm sure he doesn't have damage doing his own. Probably.
I mean, she doesn't probably own cheap stuff, does she? No. I want to talk about that. No.
So he leaves and she finds out of phones now disconnected. I mean, she's totally broke. She hasn't got any money. So she goes to a accountant, but the office is gone.
And it turns out that she's broke because the firm she has doing all her accounting has done a runner with the money. Yeah, so lawyer points out she's been done good. Yeah. You know, I have to say Paul that doing this, she's been done good.
Doesn't come across well. I didn't sniff. Oh, you did. Blight back.
Yeah. I'm out of to cut that. I'm here editing. I'm here editing.
You'll hear you go, done good. Well, at least I'm grummy. Not this time. Not this time.
This lawyer as well, this part of the list of interfaces that we've seen everywhere in the 80s, James Caron, Dennis Lipscomb and Brian Thompson later turns up in this. So there's lots of characters that we know from other things in this. For a second, I thought you said Daily Thompson turned up. I don't remember the man who run the decaflin and Daily Thompson turning up in this.
No, no, no, no. What was that? Dennis Lipscomb. Oh, OK.
But she's told that she still has companies that she invested in. Just no cash. But all these companies were losing money on purpose. Yes.
That's tax write-offs. So now she has to go back to making money. So she has to close up all these firms and sell them off. Correct the money.
That's good. They sack everyone. Yes. Yeah.
So she goes to the city of angels investigations. And we meet Mr. Pesto. Yes, who's the receptionist?
Who does everything in that rhyme? OK. I don't know whether this is a controversial opinion, but I always used to find Mr. Pesto annoying.
So you must have really hated the episodes where it's just her. I have a feeling that, you know, when you said that people would turn off 10 minutes in because they realized that this isn't going to be, I think I might have been one of those people a couple of times. So there's probably episodes of Moonlighting I've never seen. Right.
Yeah. OK. Sorry, how much of you? But all right.
It's just the rhyming thing. It grates on me a little bit. Oh, you don't like rhyming now. Is it the timing?
You don't. Don't do it. Don't do it. I can see.
I can see the look of your eye. Don't do it. All right. You're like a little.
I would not do that. Yeah. What's your next line going to be better not rhyme? Not this time.
So we get a nice we discover that David is kind of playing basketball with himself in his office. Yes, it's a great intro to David Anderson, isn't it? Yeah, it is. Yeah, because he's like doing the all the commentary.
Commentating. It's doing all the commentating. He's pretending that he's the president shaking his hand. And then.
David Anderson, he's kind of one of those people that yeah, it'd be great fun for a couple of hours, but it would get old pretty quick. If you're in a bar with him, he's one of those guys that would walk in and go, yeah, he's David. And you'd have a bit of a joke and laugh for maybe an hour or two, but then you stick around and you'd be like, just go go insane because he's like getting old now. I mean, you know, do you know that feeling?
No. Okay. Well, then you know when you're not the one with that feeling, that means everybody else. This is one of the reasons that I'm not sure moving them early 2000s would have been a good idea because David Anderson, how old would you say he is?
Early 30s? Yeah, I would say. So late 20, maybe 30s. It's fine.
Him being like this crazy alcoholic out with women all the time, party guy, but then by the mid 2000s, just some sad old guy, isn't he? Yeah, I think he should have grown up by now. So the series had a limited lifespan anyway. Yeah, yeah.