Yeah, so this 17 HMR new gun I got is sweetmate. Wait right there. I just grab a little target here. Kind of a bit more of a reference.
A lot of these I just got a picture of a target here with just a load of bull's eyes or circles on it sort of thing. And pretty much you can use it to test ammo or compare other ammo. But if we look at the top row here, they've all kind of got, you know, an inch or two inch gas or less of a group. When I go into the 17s, it's just so much smaller every time.
And mate, so this this sheet holding up with the mini targets on it. Are you how far away is this to you? Probably like 30 feet. Just that one sheet with all the different little targets and you go through little targets in them.
Yeah, that's really cool. I never kind of I don't think I've ever seen a sheet like that. Yeah, some of the guys use it there and it's probably like a two and a half inch circle. Yeah, these ones up here, they're all a good brand I'm using but pretty much they're all touching each other.
That's five shots. This is something I've learned like with the semi automatic like I was kind of explaining. I would have thought that you would kind of get more accuracy because you can kind of get it in that point. Yeah, bang bang.
Where the other one bang load you've moved, you've got steady again. I don't know what it is but there it's more even more accurate every time. Obviously the way the bullet flies, it's got an actual point like a pointed tip on the bullet compared to like a 22 that has more of like a rounded tip. Right.
And just the speed is over double the speed and it really just makes that thing so accurate. When you're firing them at, can you tell the difference in the speed of it? Yes. Like do you know what I mean?
In terms of the impact and you hearing it or registering it? Oh, me. Just try to survive that because I don't think I've shot enough guns to really like figure out timing and the difference in after you pulled the trigger, you know. Yeah, I got these two bullets here for reference.
Obviously you can see them but the others can. But the 22 here and the 17-h are here. Pretty much the same diameter of case. And the bullet is actually bigger in the 22 but the pointed tip and the way it's been pinched at the top has been necked down.
It creates that even more pressure like back pressure chamber pressure. But yeah, when you're firing 22s generally unless you've got sensitive hearing, you can take your earbuds out or your hearing offenders and yeah, it's loud but it's not really that loud. It's not going to make you jump off Lynch. With this on the other hand is just that extra bit louder.
You can hear the difference. So you wouldn't want to knock away your ears all the time. And it has, I wouldn't say double the kick but I would say not far from it. When you're shooting a 22, the gun kind of jumps back as if you're shooting like a painful gun or something.
You know, you have that little movement but it's a bit louder. But the 17 is more of a quick, quick nudge in your shoulder. Like you're very aware of something happening. You can hear kind of, you can almost hear speed if that makes sense.
So here's, here's a good way to explain the speed and power mate. So when we're doing a 100-yard shot, that's over 100 meters. It's like 105 meters or something like that. When I'm shooting the 22, the bullet will drop at least six inches pretty much.
And if I, so I aim at a metal target, let's say a 12-inch metal target, out of 100 yards. I'll have to aim pretty much directly at the top and it'll hit just about a third down. And I will pretty much see, I will shoot and then see this, see the point of impact appear because they're all painted targets. So not the paint off and it'll be a bare metal color.
And you could almost see that delay. You'll shoot and then you'll hear it and you would see it appear. And the 17, you'll shoot, you'll see it appear and then you'll hear it. So it's traveling that much faster than the sound is going.
Yeah. Like you always count it in blinks. You know, how many blinks would it take for it to kind of like hit the target over half of it, you know? Yeah, exactly.
And this one mate is hitting, hitting on your blink. Like you can't beat it. Yeah. And it's shooting 2,500 feet a second, which is really fucking quick.
These things are effective. Like I said to you guys, I sat up some targets last week, taken it outside of the range to go get more long range, had a target of 50 yards, 100 yards, and 200 yards. And I think if I was trying to hit a 200-yard target or can with a 22, probably take me a couple hours and just aiming stupidly hard, you know, two or three foot higher. And then when you're not even making a kind of dive, dive down and hit the target.
Exactly. With a 22 in my scope, I'm literally just aiming like barely a hair above it. Yeah. And yes, chalk and cheese made a huge, huge difference.
Your new super-soped soap you got mate. Yeah. Like, can you tell the difference in that as well? Do you know what I mean?
There's no big difference in stepping up from like a, you know, standard scope that is, you know, probably a decent amount of money, but nothing crazy. And then you step up a couple of rungs and you really tell the difference in performance. Yeah. Let me, let me quickly grab it.
Yeah, cool. Can I explain it a bit easier? Because I think most people can relate to scopes really makes. If you think about, you know, sunglasses or glasses, windows, you know, everyone kind of get the idea of glass being clear and magnified clearly.
Yeah. You know, with this pair of sunglasses, make you wear a nice pair of sunglasses, it almost brings up definition. And if you wear a ship pair, it kind of dels everything down. Yeah.
And, and you know, the better the glasses and the better kind of the engineering in the scope is, everything just gets more defined, more HD, still keeping the light coming into the, into the glass as well. Like it's a proper technical fucking part of the part shooting. Exactly. Yeah, it can be a real bit different, especially when it's coming into like what it's letting in and magnification and everything.
I'll see if I can show you what my scope looks like on a 22. I don't know if you'll be able to see. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. You nearly had it. Yeah. Nice.
It's got a big crosshair and in the middle, it would go a little bit thinner. So for listeners, Will is holding up his scope through his camera on his end in Canada. And I'm looking through the upper end of it in my end in England, which is, yeah, it's pretty cool, mate. And I can zoom that in, give it a little bit of a zoom.
But it's pretty basic. And it does a great job for the 22 and 17 up to about the 100 jad mark, but you barely, you're not seeing anything in focus really anymore. You're, you've got a better blurred image, which when you're doing small targets can be really hard when you're doing kind of bigger stuff, not so much of a problem. With the newer scope here, it's got a little bit more adjustments.
I can zoom in a hell of a lot more. And I've also got like a parallax at the top, just kind of focusing the distance of whatever my target's like, I put it on like 15 yards, 20, 25, 30, all the way up until past 150 yards. It's just kind of gives you a clearer image of what we're looking through. Hopefully I can, you can get a better look in this one because...
Oh, yeah. We're getting there. You don't see it right now yet. Yeah, kind of hard to see the actual definition of the target, mate.
But as I was, I don't know if I was explaining to you guys, I've got an app that goes with this scope and a lot of scopes come with an app. This is what it looks like exactly on the inside without the red numbers. Yep. So this calculator, you can put in what below you're using and how heavy it weighs, and it will calculate for you at the distances.
So in that middle of the cross, that's where you would zero it in. So you'll zero that in 200 yards. Yeah, I can say that's 100 yards, right? Yeah.
Next one down is telling me at that distance, it's 221 yards, 300, 400 all the way up. So instead of putting the cross on your target, you'd put the next crosshair down. And this can change, so I've got this magnification at the bottom and you've less than you've zoomed in. All these numbers are going to change again, right?
So a lot of them will help you out on that. And the more of the scope you get, you can have full tree diagrams depending on the wind. You could hold it to the left this way to the right that way, sort of thing. But as you can kind of see, the other one is just the cross where that can be actually calculated.
It's got a lot more behind it than just X-max this far. And does it feel good once you've kind of referenced it, looked at the yardage, whatever, you know, if you crosshair. Does that really help you shoot as well? Knowing, you're kind of like, you're trying to hit a 300 yards target.
I'm going to trust it. I'm going to trust it. Do you kind of get rewarded with it if you follow it, mate? Yes.
Obviously, like I was kind of saying, that when I took it out and put these targets out at 100 and 200, whatever yards, it's kind of my first time shooting anything more than 100 yards. And especially like pacing it out, I've got a little rangefinder, so it'll tell me exactly how far away it is. Got every final setup. And yeah, I was able to get myself right in there with 100 yards and be accurate for it, which I've never really been able to do 100 yards.
It's always been, I can hit around here. And if I'm dropping six inches, I'm six inches high, but never really, I'll pull that in a target like that sort of thing with a 20. With the 17, I've got on one of the targets. I think I put it up on our little group chat.
I've got these little tiny circles that I was nailing from 100 yards away, which you'd be pretty happy if he's doing that like 50 yards. So to do that, I double the distance and within like 10 shots, having it dialed in to that hit and a can and stuff like that, really good. And then stretching out to the 200. So most of you kind of like, I don't know if I'm actually going to be able to do this.
You just watch a video or someone doing it, make it look easy. You know, like, have I got the right ship for this? I don't know anything about the wind and all that. So a lot of it is just kind of seeing what happens.
And yeah, honestly, mate, I showed you guys the video when I hit a can at 200 yards and the target 200 yards, where I wanted it to be instantly, pretty much. I hit a camera within four shots. This video is pretty cool. And we just we've got kind of a fairly close up the can.
We all kind of set up for us. Here's this can this can fucking explodes. You can ask for a better what's in that can make? Cause that's like a red, is that like cherry aid or something?
What the fuck is that? It's one of those crushes or whatever. It's actually like a cream soda. That's what it was.
Yeah, doesn't look like it with that sort of color. It looks like it's going to be a bit more fruity or something. Yeah, playing with, you know, playing with guns, responsibly playing with them. That's a sort of shit you want to see something explode like that a bit of fun.
You know, well, that's it. And especially when you're newer to things, you got a bit more, well, I don't know what this is going to look like really. Do you know what I mean? Especially with smaller bullets.
You don't know if it's just going to kiss a hole in it. It's just going to like kiss out that hole or if it is going to bang or whatever. So yeah, really good. The old watermelon out me.
Yeah. To be honest, I think it's going to be burying a hole in it. Maybe, maybe coming out the other side, depending on how close. But yeah, you have an old male out there with some fruit and veg next week, mate.
Like lying to five different little fruits up mate. You know, start off like a, you know, a lime then get to an orange. But yeah, and yes, then I was at the shooting range. I thought, all right, then let's do some real targeting with the 17 and see if I can hit some coins at 100 yards.
Because that's when you know you're dialed in. If you can hit something that's smaller than an inch, you're in there, you know, it's not a fluke anymore. And yeah, mate, I've got myself set up on the 50 hit that really quick. I hit a dime and caught 100 yards and did it really quick.
So super stoked on that. Obviously the guns nice and sighted in and accurate. And kind of one of those little proud moments, mate, you know, when you when you stay in your learning a trick or anything in life, you kind of, you know, putting all your due to and your energy into accomplishing something and you do it, you get that little, you know, like, you want to have a little celebration sort of thing. And I was really stoked about it.
Like I've never haven't had that sort of level of smoke from a gun yet other than just maybe a bit of adrenaline or just like good vibe. This could be like your first kick flip or heel flip, mate. You know, you flip the board. It's one of those things, you know, you've had it gone in your hands, you've got a decent amount of knowledge about guns, you've got a few guns, but you only know you're a certain level of a skateboarder.
If you've committed, you know, I know people learn kick flips pretty quickly these days, but it's one of those tricks, you know, can make a great escape. And once you hit, that's a fuck I have actually achieved something. This is, you know, I've done something and it does propel you on to the next level, you know, makes you intrigued you more because now what's the trade flipping guns, mate? You know, I mean, that's an extra trick for you to learn in guns.
Yeah, a tray or to hit something else that feels kind of cool, but new that you've been working on for a while. And it finally just pennies drops, you know, just funny clicks. Yeah, that's it. And I think it's one of those things as well, where, you know, you watch some videos and you see people with all the gear and any experience to go with it.
And you can, like, fuck, can I even replicate something like that? And when you kind of, you know, do it, it's nice. So it's going to have to see if I can do some longer shots and just more precise shots, mate. You know, what I really like in, you know, the guys and girls are doing gunship on Instagram and showing you their setups and that sort of stuff is how proficient they are with their hands with the gun.
That's what impresses me. You know, I really, I really respect someone that can, because, you know, I'm sure that's not, I've never, you know, opened up a gun mate and taken apart and that sort of shit. But I imagine it's probably difficult. I mean, not as easy as you fucking think it is.
And the speed in which those people can do it and put things together and just, you know, you know, change it back everything, you know, I just think it's cool. And some holding a gun in a safe manner, you know, like, just, no, I'm in command of this thing. This is, this gun isn't resting in my arms. I'm fucking holding this gun.
You know, I really, I kind of respect that. You can see it's almost dedicated. It's like seeing someone on a skateboard mate rolling, rolling towards some little bumps, you know, the blind bumps that the, you know, crossing or anything like that. And you know, you know, someone's not going to get over them.
You can just tell if they're rolling 20 meters down a road and they're just about hit some of those, a little, you know, a little bump in it in a pavement. You can tell the people that are going to eat shit from that. It's like, you're just riding that. All wrong.
Like your weight is just ready to be propelled off of that board. And it's, yeah, it's the same thing with guns. You can see the people that are kind of in command of that thing. And some people, like we said before about the weddings when they fucking 5k 47.
That person is not in control of that gun. Yeah, exactly. I think a lot of it's down to experience and how much, how aware you are, how confident you are as well. Like, you know, when you go to the gun club, sometimes you get people, oh, can I hold that?
Yeah, you know, whatever. And watching someone else's vastly experienced the way they're picking something up and it, you know, waving it around. But it's not anywhere that you, it's not any unsafe manner at all. You know, you kind of learn more and then you find yourself being more confident, not second-guessing yourself sort of thing.
And it's really quite nice when you kind of get better at it. Like the guy last week there had gone, his gun had put it up. And it was really nice. And I was able to shoot it pretty well because I've been practicing doing a lot of stand and shooting and not resting as well.
So I was able to hit the targets. And he was quite impressed because he wasn't sure if he could do it. And just the way I was holding his gun as well, I see a lot of people, they'd get the old clamp around the end of the gun with the hand. And a bit more of like an operator movie.
You know, you can really point the gun around. And I kind of did that on his gun because I've never had a chance to do it. But I've been wanting to utilize that sort of pointed method. And he come back, he was at the range yesterday, and he was going, I was watching you grab at the front and I've never done that.
And he had changed his grip and was so much better for it. And I didn't tell him that. I just had a look. And he saw me try something different.
So kind of questioned what he was doing. That's really funny. And that is, you know, again, that has parallels to skating mate because you could just see someone that's like, you put your foot there for that trick. And it's just, and it's like, well, I'll give it a go.
And you might be able to find, you know, you might not go with it, but it might still help you with your trick. You might go, well, I can see why they're doing it, but it kind of stops you from doing this part of the trick. So I'm not going to go with it, but at least I might be able to take a little angle out of it or something like that. Yeah, that's cool.
So I got to something else, but staying in the same realm. I'm talking not too long ago about myself in a little course next weekend called the Maple Seat Project. They do the same thing in America. It's called like the Apple Seat Project or something like that.
And it's basically just like a bastardized version of a rifleman course in the military. So these people, the Maple Seat one, they got their own and will do a day of shooting about 400 charts and really teaching you how to shoot sanding, lying down, kneeling, using a strap on a gun and just kind of getting that techniques down to be really interesting, especially in new. And what they do at the end of throughout the day, you shoot this qualification, you can fail, you don't actually fail the course, but you fail to the scoring board. And if you get on the top, top, score, you can get yourself a little catch, a little rifleman patch, which is apparently extremely rare that people get this.
I don't know anyone who's got this. Most of these guys have got $1000, $1000, for their 22s, haven't got it. And they've been shooting for 40 years. But I've got a practice of the test on these guys and practicing because they've been there and done it a few times and they've got their own sheets.
So let's give you an idea. But we've got, you know, four or five inch target here. This is what you'd start on. We do 10 shots standing up and you've got two minutes.
And then the second one is you've got two magazines, one with two in it and one with eight in it. And you've got two targets, you've got to put five in each. And you've got 60, 55 seconds, which is not that long. You're doing this needle in as well, by the way, this one.
When you're changing a mag and trying to be accurate and counting because you go one, two, change three, four, five, one, two, three, four, five, and you don't want to suck up and put six and four or something like that. I don't know how they might be. This one is prone. So you're laying down, it's like three, three, four, and you do a magazine change in that one.
And this one is 10 shots, one mag, and you have five minutes and it's two shots, two shots, three shots, three shots. The sheet that you're holding up there, Will, with the targets on it. Will's hitting, this is your sheet, right? Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Will's pretty fucking decent, all of them. Most of them may have got a very, very close to the balls on there, very close. So I've been practicing, I've been practicing.
Yeah, it looks good. It looks good. So every score you can get 50 out of each one, except for the last one, you can get 100 on. So instead of it being a three, four, five for the balls, that sort of thing, it's a six, seven, or six, eight, and 10.
The highest score you can get out of the whole thing is 250. That's a few balls by everything, can no mess. To get the rifleman's patch, you've got to get 210 out of 250. And I haven't been able to hit to anything above 200 yet.
But I haven't had these techniques as well, and I've only done about two a day just so I haven't overloaded it, because you get tired them all you do as well. So you end up getting worse. But this one, this is 196. So not two more away.
Mate, that's really close. That's not far away. That's really close. And I've met, I've met people who have failed, which is shooting under 125.
So they've done the course and they failed. And they're using a gun that the course provides, which some people might not say is good, but it's double the price of my 22. So I'm happy with what I'm doing so far, mate. See, right, mate.
That's close. Have you got a speciality in the standing kneeling line down the last one? Yeah, last two. Are you better at one?
Have you got a weakness? Do you say you need to work on one of them over the two? Standing up is probably one of the harder ones, because you've got no support except your arms, but you've got the biggest target. So you normally can get away with that.
Sometimes you'll have one that flies out, gives you a little bit of a lower score. A lot of the problem is taking your time in that timeframe. The first one, you've got two minutes to last one, you've got five. I've never had a problem with the first or last one.
55 and 65, you'll want it to take your time because they're medium sized targets. So you really do need to pay a little bit of attention. But 55 seconds goes fucking quick when you're changing a magazine. I can imagine.
And sometimes you'll go for that third shot and it clicks and you're such in the zone that you think you've had a misfire and there's just no fucking bullets in there. Because I'm like, you're just making it all the time. So you definitely, if that happened to you, you'd be fucked. There would be no time for you to kind of get something else in there or whatever.
You know what I mean? I'm pretty sure that's it. When the time was done, that's it. But I've just been kind of putting my phone time around and going and if the alarm goes off, I've run out of time and I've still carried on, but I've been noting the time every time I do it.
And being on your knees, mate, how stable is that? Because it probably feels fairly stable because you're a bit lower than you can probably. But you're still kind of vertical. So it might be, you still got a wobble in you, surely.
So definitely more stable than standing. But I haven't done the course and it says sitting stroke kneeling. So probably kind of what's more comfortable for you. Oh, you could sit in your arse and do it.
Yeah. But obviously when you're just sitting down, you know, I don't know how much you can use your elbows on your knees and stuff like that. I can kind of do in the front kneel down with my elbow on the thing and kind of sitting on my back foot on my toes. Yeah, like a classic pose.
Yeah, exactly. Where some people have been doing kind of sitting on your ass, but feet up, legs up. Right. Is there surely no one's sitting in the arse with their legs out?
That would be sure. I'm not sure that technique is a one to use. Just literally like sitting like a fucking three year old legs out holding a gun. Obviously you'll be rocking back probably as well every time you're shooting or something.
Yeah. So yeah, it's a funny one. Prone, you're definitely probably the most accurate, but you're really heavy on your elbows, both of them. So it's almost like doing some weird plank mixed with like a downwards dog, like your belly's on the ground, but your shoulders are up and you're looking through.
So you are using back muscles and core muscles, which can get a bit tyrant. I can imagine because you're not, yeah, you're not going to be obviously you are laying down. But like I said, you're not actually laying. You're kind of, you're like flat flat, you know, you've got, yeah, you're almost going to have to stiffen up.
It's like you hold hold a weight in front of you and you kind of clasp, you know, clasp away in front of you, everything. If you hold that properly, you should be hitting, you know, all the muscles around it should just be your arms that are taking the load should be everything engaging the kind of squeeze of the weight. And the same thing as a gun surely you're kind of, you've got to be holding the gun, you have to be the, you have to be the, yes, you know, what would you call it, like the gimbal of the gun, if you will, you're still, yeah, even more to go with that one. So on the prone, I've got one that I was doing yesterday, and I kind of taught, not that one, kind of taught myself something a bit.
Here we go. So a couple of days ago, I was practicing a lot, and on this one, most of my shots all around the board were going high right. So I was thinking, oh, fuck it, must be the scope, it's got to be the gun. It's not me.
Can't be you, mate. It can't be you. It can't be me, you know, I'm starting to turn in at the same distance on my rest pad, and I'm hitting the ball's eye every go, like, you know, I'm hitting, hitting a small mark. So yeah, I went back, I'm hitting the ball's eye again.
So all right, it's not the gun. What the fuck is it? There's some good old boys there who have been in the army and been shooting the whole life, and you'll hear a lot of techniques in that here and there. So one of the techniques he told me was, if you think you're missing, load your gun without a bullet and shoot it and pay attention to your crosshairs.
So I'm shooting it, I'm looking down, I've got really on a small target, so my cross is on a small target, and I drive by her, and then every time I drive by her on this gun, so let's say I'm pointing it right to you, and I go like that after I shoot, click, if that makes sense. And then I reference it with my target, and I shoot, and it would go straight that way, where exactly where I sit in. So on my 17HMA, I got an upgraded trigger, so on this thing, when this is loaded, nothing moves, it is so sensitive. I don't have that problem with this.
So my technique on this is because I'm hooking it as well, I've got a proper hook on it. If I just go like this and squeeze it every time, it is going that way, the tiniest bit, that finger is in pulling it, and how I'm just gripping it. If you just squeeze it, it's going to go that way. So I spent a lot of time, dry firing it and pulling it, until I could find a technique where I'm shooting it, and nothing's moving.
And is that how most people do it mate, or would a lot of people customise the trigger? What is the standard way of learning how to shoot a gun? Would you still just have to develop your stance? If you're shooting competitions and targets all the time, you are going to have a competition style gun or a trigger, which will be an upgraded one or two stage one or a lightweight trigger.
And you're never going to, a lightweight trigger will, it will guarantee you to make you better at precision tagging. But there are going to be those people that none of it matters. You know, you're going to have a pro turn up at a skate park on a fucking arghos board. It don't really matter.
It might be slow and shitty, but he's still got everything. Sometimes it's making a big deal, though. You know what I'm saying? The board will really make a difference.
Even just being aware that I was doing that, and it's called pulling and pulling to the right. So just me kind of having that like bold moment of, why the fuck is just going that way? I'm not aiming there. And if I aim a target that big, when I'm not lying down on a rest, it's nailing it.
Well, it's obviously the operator error there. And just figuring it out and being aware, change the game instantly for the next round. And also showing that you can kind of break down where you're at. Look at your technique and go like, no, I can adjust.
I'm not being passive here. I can change my fucking game here. And just think about it. Just think about it.
If the shot isn't right, and you think everything should be right. Look at it again. Same is skating, right? Sometimes you you can have a trick for a while and you're a bit sloppy.
It's not hitting the same way. So then you've got to find that foot placement again. You need to go back because you might have been putting it down naturally, easy, but then you haven't been there for so long. It's like, where the fuck did I put my foot?
Like, for example, in top of my head right now, I can't remember if I'd be at it for like a fakey half cap heel, right? Yeah, I can't remember because I can't get in, but I'm scared of those tricks. I make a credit card, motherfucker. They do credit card.
You want to really ping one, they do credit card you. So I don't like it. But they feel great. They're a great trick and I love anyone who does them.
But I can't remember if I had my foot lower down or higher up in the end. I mean, obviously you always do lower originally just to help yourself get the board around everything. But I had a funny feeling. I might have had it, you know, Mark Bain's a little bit higher up, you know, just so it's, you've got more control on the turn and hopefully the flip will just take care of yourself.
Yeah, but maybe I'm just thinking that because I would save a credit card more often as well. The higher foot is on the board, the less like you're going to get credit carded. So like what I'm saying is I would be able to tell you right now, it's on my head. Yeah, what foot position I need to be in for that trick, even I've done it plenty of times.
And I tell you what, mate, it's funny hearing you say that because for backside heel, half cap of heel stuff, my mind goes on the, what angle do I put my heel for fun? Because for the front side variations, I know that angle for the back side is just that little bit different or I watch people do it differently. So I'm more like, oh, it's my foot allowing me to turn that back side. But yeah, that's exactly it, mate.
It's really refining what you're doing and figuring out why you're doing that. Because if you don't kind of condition yourself now with this little trait you found, mate, you need to, you know, you need to address this. And if you hit it, you know, address it and keep on top of it for, you know, six months, you'll probably just that will turn into your natural position. Yeah, if you kind of just play a bit a little bit and then let it go, you know, if you tried it the same test again in two years down the line, you might be doing the same thing.
Yeah. So you need to kind of iterate it like that is a sloppy way of doing a X, you know, and you'll get some people who are going new trigger, turn a trigger on it. You've got a cheap trigger on it, which quite rightly so. But it doesn't mean that you just can't work around it.
You know, there'll be some people who just have bog standard cheap gun, they're on a farm or something, they haven't got a scope on it. And it don't matter. They've just shot it for thousands and thousands and tens and thousands of rounds. And they've just got that fucker dialled, you know, it's like, mate, you can kick the ball of fucking pennyboard.
Yeah. Well, it'd be the greatest kick for all time. But I mean, talking about that, have you seen the skatemaffier boys on their mini boards? Oh, God.
Fucking L.M.E. TJ was skating. Yeah. But Carlos, not Carlos, Robert.
Was it cassave? Yeah. Someone in the barracks. The Karima skater.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
He was fucking unreal on it, mate. It was crazy seeing someone that good on that small board. Well, I'm sure you could, is it, was it Chris Colby? Did it ages ago in the warehouse?
It's unreal what people can do on those things. Yeah. So how you tri flipping that normally? I don't think I can't.
TJ, he didn't like a gap trade flip, many sort of thing. He's just fucking, you know, you got to watch a few times to be like, what is it? What's going on? It's not easy.
I mean, you must escape them as well, mate. I remember one of my, one of my mates, a little brother, I'd one and he'd come and skate botly with us occasionally. So we'd have one in the streets with us, you know, and you might be, yeah, you get a kick flip, but everything else just starts turning the shit like even doing a 50 50 on it is awkward now. It's not nice because you just feel like it's going to ride, you know, you're going to scrape too much, you're going to ride over your fucking foot and then scrape down your chin or your leg or something.
Yeah. Which does happen quite a lot with those little boards. So to see someone like doing fakey flips at a waist light is how, how. So a lot of the time refer back to my target with all the circles on it.
So every gun will be different on what ammunition will put in it for it and the weight of that ammunition. So I got, normally I'm buying this bulk ammo. It's made by federal. It's a hollow point, comes in like 300 or 500 round boxes for an all right price.
So all those things, you know, on the girl long and I'll shoot like groups of frees groups of fours or groups of fives and you'll do that for like four or five targets, right? All of those will be like this far apart and I'll be aiming the exit. So what you do when you're shooting groups, regardless of how true it is to zero, you just aim for the center of the target, put in your five shots, move across center of the target and you do this on a rest. So there is less human error as possible because you're just trying to find out what works best.
And half the time, every like 10 shots, a waste in a bullet, it's not even firing. It's not even going off and it's really inconsistent. And I go by these other bullets and their round nose, their solid bullets, not hollow points. Same brand mate or different brand what we're talking about.
Different brands, I've gone on to like a CCI now and the weight's different. So my gun doesn't really like lose this weighted bullet. This weighted bullet is 32 grain. Now let's make this easier.
Palette is 4.5 grains. So a plastic BB is probably like two or three grains. So this is 32 grains. So it's got a bit of weight to it.
You know, if you pull it up in your hand, it's got weight to it. And the other ones are 40 grains. So not too much more difference. But the weight of it, I don't really get any failures with a 40 grain bullet.
So someone suggested that to me try 40 grain because I was going to flack this out of shit today. So mate, is that thing as well that you would pick a grain of bullet that suits you? Is that a thing? 100%.
Right. It might only be three variants of that grain. And that has been channeled down through the hundreds of years, I suppose, being used right. Because every barrel for a rifle will have rifle in it.
What you're saying mate, if you say that particular bullet we're talking about might have a 25 grain, a 35 and a 45. Is that kind of what you're saying? That they've got a few different... About you know, women, women's reason.
But they wouldn't have 20 different grains of one bullet. Not likely. So it's kind of like boards as well or truck sizes or wheels sizes. There's a certain parameter that people are just going to pick.
Yeah, and things are going to work better for different situations. And different guns? Of course. You've got your vert boards, you've got your street boards, you've got your freestyle boards, you've got your wide boards, your skinny boards, for your fast flipping or your extra flip, your fat boards, for your slow flips.
If you're hunting, hollow points. If you tag it in, you'd want that to be solid. You'd want a full full point on it. You're going to get a lot more accuracy.
Light a bullet, let's go quicker. They're going to go faster. Which also means speed, means penetration. If you want to go through a target or through a penny or through a body, you want a solid pointed tip.
If you want it to stop inside something, like you're hunting and killing something, you want it to hit it and stay inside. You don't just want to clean little hole for it. You want it to hit it. And if it's a hollow point, it's going to deform and open up and create more damage.
So for example, if you're shooting at the hunter-deer mate and you've got a pointed tip, I mean, do hunters use pointed tips at all of it? No, no. No. No.
No. No. No. No.
Would they just fire through the animal and possibly not kill it? Is that what we're talking here? That you want to guarantee the kill? And if it's not even if it goes through something pretty decent area, it still might kill it.
Or it might be able to run away and die and you won't be able to find out more or something. Is that what we're talking? Obviously, with hunting, you want it to be as clean and as quick as possible. So in some places, it would be illegal to shoot a deer with just a solid pointed tipped bullet.
Because yeah, it's going to go straight through that guy. It's definitely not going to stop him unless it hits like every bone. And it's not going to kill him instantly. It's going to take him a while to bleed out.
What they would do, this is not what it is. But you can get a hollow tip with a plastic or polymer tip on the top to help it fly straight and do its thing. But as soon as it hits something, it's going to turn into dust. Yeah.
So it's just aerodynamics. Exactly. And so yeah, in a lot of places, it's illegal or unconventional to do that because it's not designed to do that. A hollow point is going to open up.
It's going to start. It's going to expand. It's going to break apart, staying in that, creating a bigger wound instantly, kind of hoping to put wherever you're shooting down. Crazy thing is, let's go into the Geneva Convention and swap it to if we're hunting humans.
In the army, obviously you're not hunting. You're defending, you're doing whatever. So let's say you're in war, you're shooting someone. In the Geneva Convention, you can't shoot someone with a hollow point because you're going to fuck them up or whatever.
They would rather you shoot someone with a hollow point to go through them because if that person does survive, you've got more chance that person surviving and be fixed medically. Sometimes the bayonet law, they banned bayonets with twisted or free-bladed ones because you can't stitch them up. So regardless if you've got someone good or not, they'll die of infection. It's kind of like, but if it's an animal, that's fine because you actually want it to die straight away.
It's so weird that you're saying it as well, Geneva Convention. We've given it authority. Everyone's given this authority to say they can pick how wars are fucking flated. You can't kill someone like that.
That's bang out of order. You can kill them like this. This is all right. And then you're not taking a piss out of them, but you can't that's a little bit nasty doing that.
So don't kill them like that. Just kill them like this. What the fuck? And obviously what you crane and Russia and everything happen is, you know, we can't use that.
Russia's using cluster bombs. We can't use a cluster bomb, but normal ones are okay. It's such a funny thing. But I guess it's good as well, otherwise you'd be having chemical warfare and everything going on.
And the world would just die. It would. It would die pretty quickly. Yeah, chemical warfare.
That's it. It's done. But everyone has all these tech. Well, everyone has more for last resorts.
And if you're a police, not so much in England, but maybe in England, mate, as well, I wouldn't be surprised. Depending on where you live and depending on the states, some places in America, you know, wherever in the world, they'll use hollow points defensively. So in, you know, in your service pistol, you got hollow points, because if you've got to shoot someone, you've got to do it for a reason. A lot of the time in America, England's different, you know, they're not shooting someone to potentially just just wound them and put down.
They're doing it to put someone down to protect themselves. You know, someone's shooting at you. The last thing you want to do is have them like hobbling about, still trying to shoot you. Obviously in England, they do a lot of shoot to wound.
And I think it's different, you know, different scenarios for different opportunities as well, mate. Sometimes it might be easier or best decision to shoot someone in the foot. But yeah, mate, every all of those scenarios, that's you have to talk about every single different scenario for what situation is the what the fucking right thing to do is, I mean, we're not saying putting someone down, putting the gun, you know, bullet through someone's head in every situation, but there might be one way in a school or something, you might have to do it. Yeah, you know, you might have to put someone down because that person may have a gun or multiple weapons and just continue, you know, gun down 10 people, mate.
Yeah, so you've done down another hundred in England or anywhere in the world of terrorist attacks. You know, you don't know what someone is capable of or what they're doing if you just, oh, you know, we've got his guns fine, you know, he might have a gun, they might have another gun, you know, sometimes they just got to turn people off straight away. Yeah, unfortunately, but that's the way it goes, really. So yeah, every bullet, every scenario, mate, it's going to be different.
Every gun, you know, you're going to have different accuracies and stuff. So a lot of people for hunting, they'll have a specific grain. And then, so what we'll do is there's a grain of powder amount inside a bullet. I don't normally think about it because I normally shoot in the same sort of powdered weight, but different powder will produce different speeds, etc, which is going to make a bullet travel faster or longer or more accurately, depending on your gun.
So a lot of people who reload, will reload to have a specific bullet, specific bullet weight, specific powder amount, and they will make, you know, 10 of each and then they'll go take it to the range and see which one is the most accurate. So when they go out and shoot a deer or shoot targets or whatever they're doing, they are guaranteeing it be as less of an effort as possible. If you're buying 100 bullets off of a company, some of them, you know, you don't, you can't guarantee that it's been factory made or handmade egg exactly. But if you're doing yourself, you've guaranteed that there's not going to be one bullet that someone might have sneezed in and they put half a grain more or less in there.
So the grain, does that mean the amount of powder that's in it? So the grain is for the bullet weight and the powder weight. Yeah, big difference. And you can have some bullets that are way more capable than others.
The new gun you've got, mate, is it called the crusader? No, it is called a savage. So I don't, we don't have a picture of that one. It is a savage B 17.
Savage B 17. And it is chambered in 17 HM. Because I was going to get a 17 that had that wooden stock, which I put in the chat, really nice looking, had kind of like a wood imply, almost like a skateboard ply sort of thing. But it was a different model, same brand than the one I've got.
It just didn't quite work as nicely as this one did make it had a older, older system in there. And it just didn't feel quite as nice. Like, it looked better, but it didn't act better. And for a tiny bit more, I did really good.
Should we leave it there, mate, for the Buckbills Gun Club, if you will? And we'll, yeah, well, this has to be the first of many mates, surely. Well, maybe after next weekend, mate, you know, we'll see how well I did my little rifle course there. There you go.
We'll figure out a name for you, mate, catch a name. Well, thanks for listening. And we'll see you next time. Nice one.