I don't-I don't know-I don't know. Hunger is, hunger is cubed. He is ready to go. Just have a look at it right.
He is ready. Okay. All right, let's try this now. We're all ready.
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Woo! I'm Cathy. I'm Angur. I'm Victoria.
And I am Cal Puydee. Oh my god we did it! Yes! Just a legitimate say.
Oh god. Oh my god. Your rehearsing, your rehearsing, your rehearsing. You don't know if it's going to work when the curtain comes up.
It just takes the right person being here. But we just do it. We do it. We do it.
I'm so happy! Calm down, man. Let that happen. We're so legitimate!
Almost three years! We finally did it all together. Okay. I'm not editing this.
No. That's staying. That was it. Okay.
It's all downhill. It's all downhill from here. No. Wait.
What are we doing here? I completely were so focused on everyone remembering and reminding Angur to say his name that we completely forgot. This is perverted podcast. We talk about kinky sex and perversion and stuff.
I think so. Sometimes we have a guest host. Sometimes we do. We have a guitar.
That's me. Kathy? Yeah. What have you been a heck of a weekend?
It has. What have you been up to? I've been getting unexpected dick. Unexpected dick?
Like you're just walking in the market? I'm African! There's just some dick. Right next to the papayas.
You don't normally see dick next to the papayas. I actually see dick next to the papayas all the time. See, it's a metaphor for vagina. No, it's not.
It's me. No, I did not. I think you did. It is a Latin thing.
It's in our song Cotton Candy. Well, then, if it's in Cotton Candy, what is all true? That's right. Look at my papaya.
Say you don't want it, and I'll call you a laia. Oh my God. B-pop, booby-bop, bop, bop. Is that what you guys say?
Yeah, that's the lyrics to Cotton Candy. Did he sing that? No, bunny sang that. Bunny.
Bunny. What? Zuwa? He's always pimping out your band.
Almost have the electronic song done. The first electronic Zuwa song. I edited that whole rant last week about the electronic music and my existential crisis. I cut all of that out.
I'm like, this has nothing to do with anything other than my insanity. But we are getting closer. Wait, is this your gum chewed up in a piece of paper? I wrapped it in a paper.
Why are you picking it up? I'm squeezing it. I'm like, this is coming there. He just picks up everything near his hands and can't help himself.
That is true. This is my place. I investigate. It's not like I'm a fucking infant that I test everything with my mouth.
That would be better. It depends on what you're trying out. I am so cooked. What is Chibor.
Oh, what happened with Creative Explorer? Oh, we're actually going to be talking about Chibor. Yes. Chibor.
It's Chibor. And Creative Explorer, as you know, as I've said before, has not one. Chibor is bone in his fucking body. If you could borrow one.
He has no credit. Oh, it's horrible. And this is no lie. We'll be sitting in a restaurant.
He pays the bill, gets up, and goes for the door. I gather my things and take my time. And I'm not exaggerating. He will get all the way to the door before he realizes I'm not there.
Turn around and look for him. He'll be like, what's wrong with you? Jesus. Go out, open to the door and just let's just swing back on me.
Right in your face. Yeah. But that's just who he is and whatever. Sure.
You keep making excuses. I can't. That's not an excuse. That's who he is.
That's who he is. That's his chibor is dead. So no, this was, you know what, Victoria? So we're talking about this a couple of weeks ago.
And I don't know if you listen, but we did a show about asking and we did the no training and asking for stuff. And so I walk out, I'm going to walk out after a perverted podcast meeting one night. I'm going to walk out. And I said, okay, well, you walk me out to my car.
And he said, well, thank you for asking, Kathy. I'm all, thank you, bogey. He walks me out. But I said, you know, I'm walking out of this one thing, but you don't have to open the door for me.
And then he goes to my car door and he opens it for me. And I said, that's really nice. I said, creative explorer doesn't do that all. It's kind of nice to have that.
But you don't really need to do that. And he's just standing and looking at me like throws his hands out and goes, what? He doesn't do that for you. Did you tell him?
He muddafuckers. I'm the one who sucks you a tear. If that door doesn't open, my mouth doesn't open. Damn right.
Put that bitch in his place. That was some wisdom he laid down on me. I told creative explorer he laughed his fucking ass off. Didn't you tell him that during a blowjob?
Yes, I started laughing in the middle of a blowjob. He's like, what? What does it tell me the story? And I tell him, and I went back to the blowjob after the bitches.
And you should have just got your ass up, walked to the bathroom door and said, open it. You want this blowjob to continue? Open, said, I don't care what door it is. You can open the door and I'm going to walk through it and you're going to wait.
I can make a little bit of chivalry and then we'll go back to my dog. No, that's just for sure. That's a good way to get my ass beat. That's something I'm going to do.
That's a bad thing? You know, he has this giant fraternity paddle. Hey, we got one of those. Yeah, well, it's no fun.
He laid down the law very early on. Look, there's two things that you can do that will get your ass beat. One of them is putting clothes on without permission or taking your collar off without permission. And I think because you can't tell that to a brat, you can't say you're not allowed to do these.
That's like a invitation to please. So before he started locking the thing around my neck, I went to put my hand on it when he goes, you better not. And I'm like, I think I want to. As you know, I told you what was going to happen.
It's like I'm possessed. It's like there's a part of my brain. There's a voice going. You don't like that.
Open invitation. It's like, oh, I'm going to touch it. Now I can't control that part of my brain. So I just took it off and looked at him smiling.
And it was the last time I ever did anything like that because he chained me down to the bed, paddled my ass so hard. I will never forget that. It's horrible. Wow.
Sounds hot. No. Kind of hot. It hurt a lot.
I'm sure it did. I did. Yeah, no, you did not like it. I never did again.
But you did consent to it. That's not the point. You know, you're telling it because here's what I just heard. And here's what I first time listener just heard.
He said if I do this, he's going to beat my ass. So I did it. So I did it. And I learned my lesson.
There wasn't anywhere in there that it really talked like this is a role play that you actually consent to and you have the permission. I just hear sound bites sometime and I'm like, oh. Is that what we're teaching people? Because you could just see them on SoundCloud just like listening and going, what the fuck is this?
I didn't turn it off. Oops. I'm sorry. I've talked endlessly about the crazy in my head.
I know. It's just funny. I know. It's just funny.
If someone just actually tuned in one time and heard just that one part, what point would these be? Now any time I speak, that is what happens. Do you see our numbers slowly increase and not jumping big bounds? That's me.
Thank you. Yeah, they listen to more than two minutes and then they're like, okay, we gotta go. I did it all day. You know what?
I can't say it because if I say it, everyone's going to listen for it. But there's some habits that I have and today I did the Dr. Dojo show. So she has a podcast and besides her big YouTube channel and she's like, hey, I'm doing a series on BDSM and can you do one of my shows with me?
And I'm like, great. Let me know what to do. So we figured it all out and there were some tech issues and of course you see me go, and we got it right because I'm so professional. I'm just so completely.
Yeah, you never lose your shit. I'm in my professional. I'm like, oh, Dr. Dojo, can I call you back in just a couple minutes?
I have a little technical issue. I'm like, great. Call me back. I'm like, oh, fuck, I got back.
And your brain's just like, okay, never mind. But anyway, I got worked out. Oh, that's good. After the, after the comming, so it was a real good show.
And we, we really talked a lot about paraphelias and stuff like that. And she asked me, you know, we talked about the differences between fetishes and kinks. And you know, when paraphelias turn negative, then they become that that's when it becomes a disorder and how they took that out of the DSM 5 in 2013 where kinky people are no longer considered a pathology, which is very, very exciting. And it's legitimized our community because now people can't say we're crazy.
And then point to some manual that says we're crazy. So we still have a lot of work to do, but it's really exciting to kind of have that legitimacy now that we can have a conversation go. Any compulsive behavior is negative, whether it's food, drugs, BDSM, sex, gambling, you know, all of those things can be negative, but in and of themselves done in, in a responsible way, you, there is no evidence whatsoever that it's a pathology. So we talked about that.
It was, it was really exciting to do that with her. It went well. And it was like over an hour and I'm like, gosh, I used to our show. I totally misinterpreted everything.
I thought, oh, I'm going to talk about this. So can you like come on for five minutes? Sorry, wrote down a couple, you know, the tree fetish and the eyeball looking fetish. Just to have a couple jokes and it turned into a whole hour interview and I'm just like, wow.
Okay, I'm just going to, you know, rely on my personal experience and hopefully clever whimsical spontaneous bullshit and see if you didn't know, hey, how much did you have your whole hour? I didn't ask questions. I did, but yeah, we just not good. Not good.
I didn't ask. That doesn't sound like there was good negotiation there. Yes. Thank you.
Thank you. You're right. I get scooled every day. Jesus Christ.
But fortunately today I could be there for Mew. Mew was, you know, she was going through her MCAT studies and her tests and stuff and I stood over, stood next to her and I just pet her head a little bit, you know, and she's like, I fucking physics. It's amazing. I can't even explain what she goes through.
So she's doing it. And then she just kind of reaches over and kind of starts just instinctively cupping my balls. I totally get that. And I'm standing there and she's like, squeezing and pulling.
She's totally like in physics. But she's like squeezing. And I'm like, are you using emotional support testicles? Is that what this is?
Yep. And she's like, can you just stand here? And I'm like, this wait a minute. I'm not including this now.
This is like this feels okay. This doesn't bug you right. And I'm like, no. And she's just like sitting there.
Like it's just like those little squeezy things. I'm in the office. It's calming. Especially because I'm studying a huge major course right now.
Do you pull on testicles when you're studying? Well, if my husband were around, I would. Yes, but he's not. So I have other things that I do with my hands when I'm studying because it's just, it's soothing to study and know that there's something there that's, but testicles are the best.
They are because they kind of roll. If they're shaved. I pick creative explorers balls all the time. I just lie.
They're petting them. It's a favorite day. I'm like, she's like, gosh, I wish I could bring you to the exam. I'm like, can you imagine like everyone in there like with emotional support testicles and this major medical get into med school test and they're just like stressing out, you know, and just, you know, just, you know, cupping balls is tugging on them.
So it was like, in a sense, I'm like, well, I can help, you know, I'm going to give you just 15 minutes to cut this shit out. And then I'm out of here. 15 starting the timer now. That's funny.
It was a motion. That's all I got. I'm good. Wake up, Unger.
Yes, what's going on in the chat room? He broke something again. Yes, he is. He's like, yes, because you pulled on it.
See, you don't pull on it and then it won't come out. So just hold it there for now and then I'll mute it and you can put it back together. What's going on in the chat room, Unger? So just hold it in place and talk there.
So in one chat, we're talking about the differences between Ireland, England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and we don't call the people from one the other and how that goes across the pond and do what that. That's one chat. The other chat we're talking about absent and lauding them. What?
I don't even know. It sounds like a medical condition where the boil kind of is that abscess. And then there's two different chats going on at the same time in the voice chat. Well hello to all our people in the chat room.
You're amazing. I am now going to mute your shadow and now you can fix your thing. Got to get your cake right. All types on fat life.
Big reveal of me. The whole bizam is a big delight. For your peace of mind, please know that the author of every post we talk about has specifically granted us permission to do so. That was so trusting of them.
I don't know sometimes they really shouldn't trust that much. We've had a couple. I got a rejection last week which I don't get a lot of people. People just like no.
You guys know we've heard. And even though we're mostly pretty nice to the posters. I mean you do say in the thing, hey we may not agree with this or whatever. I even tell them I'm going to have to butcher your post to get it down.
So this is from Devil's advocate who wrote a post called Chivalry is not dead. Long live nights in shining leather. He says our lifestyles depend greatly on honor, respect, courage, justice and courtesy. Not these things we cannot have the relationships, dynamics and experiences we all crave.
Too many people nowadays look at these things as weakness, as silly or condescending, demeaning and lead us behavior as chauvinism and even moral superiority. Well, as far as I'm concerned, that last one is true. Moral superiority through kindness, honor, courtesy and respect is not a bad thing. We should be morally superior.
It is our responsibility, especially given our lifestyles and choices. We should be doing better than the other guys. There's a high risk and a high reward in our lifestyle. We give and we take all.
We expect more and we should strive to give more. It's in shining leather. Fuck yes. Ciao.
Have you laid it down? Don't drop the mic. They're expensive. I am so the Jewish grandmother of microphone maintenance.
You drop the mic. Just do it mentally. We don't have the many very new micro-clothes. It'll sound like it.
Even the crappy ones are hundreds. No, I like that. I really sometimes we've talked about this where you're like, okay, I get that. Now what's my point about that?
And I thought it was interesting that like at what point do people really we don't have a lot of Don Lee Dom's threshold anymore. Those, we have very much established that we are about positive, connected, fun and leave a certain amount of drama outside or go fuck yourself. We'll just tell you. I see a lot more chivalry.
A lot more people being concerned about other people's feelings and more communication. This isn't gender specific. It's not a bad thing. It's not a bad thing.
I think in general, I'm trying to remember back to when you were considered kind of a voice. If you weren't, you didn't fit whatever that macho Dom, femdom, male Dom category. If you didn't respect or treat in sometimes kindly, your bottoms are submissive. But I don't really remember too much.
I mean, there was a time where it was definitely more, probably about nine years ago, eight, nine years ago. And I just realized that there's still a lot of communities because we see that on FitLife all the time. You see people talk about how you look down upon that chivalry, which some people just call manners. It doesn't matter if you're a dominant or not.
You refer to people as certain mam. It's just polite and courtesy in a lot of places. It's not necessarily chauvinistic or gender biased. But it's just interesting to hear from other communities that are still, there's still a lot of that kind of that.
You have to fit this particular mold. Otherwise you don't fit. Yeah, that caring, nurturing thing. I understand the other side of that too, because I heard a conversation in the kitchen in Threshold on whatever last week.
They were talking to new, two people were there talking to two kind of experienced tops. We know them both. They were talking about the nurturing and the nurture of the bottom. I like to please.
Whatever. The new bottom was standing there and they're like, well, some people don't like that. Some people just don't take. Some don't.
Some dominance. I always thought dominance did more taking, which is something that turns a lot of bottoms on is when the dominant just fucking grabs you and takes. I don't want to get to a point in our community to where we're trying so hard to be polite, that we forget that it turns on people to not be treated with respect and chivalry all the time. I think that that politeness is often equated with chivalry when I think courtesy or politeness, whichever way you want to say, is just one aspect of chivalry, right?
Because there is, as he says, honor, respect, courage, justice. Those things can manifest in different ways. Just because you opened the door for somebody doesn't mean that your chivalry doesn't mean that you respect them. You may be doing it just out of habit.
So this is why a lot of times when I talk about creative explorer and you in particular in the kitchen, you were listening to me and I said, well, that's just the way he is. You make a lot of excuses for him and you were saying in a joking way, but in reality, he shows me tremendous respect. He just does it in different ways than someone else would. And they're the ways that I prefer.
If you were to tell me, well, he's going to show it to you in two ways. One or the other. He's going to open the door for you or he's going to tell you what's on his mind no matter how hard it is so that you're in possession of all the facts because he respects you that much. Oh, you better believe I want the latter.
I couldn't give you a shit. So I think that what he was saying in the post is that it does see encounter intuitive. If you're a dumb, you're supposed to take, you're not supposed to ask for permission. But as I said, it's more than just politeness and courtesy.
He is 100% right as far as I'm concerned. It is part of the dynamic. If you can't display those qualities, in my opinion, you're not going to have a good relationship in the King community. Yes, people know.
Hey, I'm just thinking it's hard to make broad statements about any particular part of the culture because it's a generalization is only going to fit so many people. But I mean, like for instance, you're saying using Sur-A-Man, I don't really see the honor of it because that's really contested, whether I have those are called you sir, just because you chose the title, that's never going to happen. But some people do feel like that's a thing. And a lot of that sort of gets debated at a video on that, or to forever on fat life.
But I think when you're actually in a dungeon, you're going to probably see a lot of people's best behavior because the community is so based on reputation. So I think what you're going to hopefully see is some of the norms that you actually enforce in your dungeon being adopted in somebody's personal life and her heart. Sort of like how it's become a thing now where I'm used to people asking me a thing and giving me a hug and that feels great. And so the point when I go to a just a nightclub, not a king party, but like a dance club and guys come up and touch me and grab me and have you guys like help me in the hallway on the way of the bathroom.
I'm like, what the fuck is this? It's so like a breeze to me now because I'm almost really sort of used to people going, hey, is it okay to be a hug? I see you even if they've seen me before and that's like such a weird thing that we do that I really like that it's definitely not the default for human behavior. And all that's really based on how you're raised too.
So sometimes you get a bunch of cultures in a room like in Los Angeles, you're going to have people who are raised to be really polite and say, sir, I'm mad. And if someone calls me mad, I'm like, fuck you. But like they're being really polite. So it's, I just hope that's probably their culture.
Sure. Sure. So anyway, that was just sort of my thought on how they're played. Victoria, anything?
No, not really. Is there anything? She's still thinking about cup and balls. Light and chivalrous.
I see her eyes were just wandering off and I just saw her hand. Yeah. Yeah, he's my husband is very sure is super polite. Oh my gosh.
It's almost to a point where he sometimes has been used as a doormat because people just take that and walk all over it. And that's, you know, that's a flaw. But I saw it for what it was. And I thought it was great because here's someone who genuinely does things at a kindness out of, you know, the pureness of his heart that he just enjoys doing it.
And it's an amazing feeling. He doesn't know. I have an aunt and uncle that my aunt constantly demands that her door is be opened and closed for her. So my uncle, especially when they're getting in and out of the car, my uncle will have to open her door and then close it.
And then she will actually sit in the car when they're in the parking lot until he walks around the car and opens the door for her. And I was like, that's an extreme. That's the other side of the ship where you don't have a right to demand it like that. That's an extreme.
And I'm like, well, you do. You absolutely do have the right to demand whatever you can. You can demand respect and honor. You can demand whatever you want.
You can say this is our dynamic. Obviously. You're right. I should rephrase it.
You can't expect it. Yeah, you can't expect it. If the person isn't, I mean, because, well, I mean, my door, I have an old crappy car and my door lock doesn't work. That's different.
I actually do. I just do that. I'm gonna be like, hey, let's go, let's go. I'm gonna go get out of the car.
I'm gonna go get out of the car. I'm gonna go get out of the car because literally she's trapped in the car. I leave a coat hanger with her so she either have an abortion or get the car open. Oh, my God.
I can't believe you just said that. I know there. You did go there. What?
That she? The coat hanger? Yeah. That was bad.
Why? That's back alley. Talk right there. You're right.
Bad man. I'm a bad man. We know this about you, though. It's true.
I got no way out of this. I'm all of a sudden man looks at. keep that rovy way going a little longer. Can't wait maybe.
Yeah. Let's do it. We're in a mailbox. I guess we're done for that.
Thanks, Devil's Attic. I need to do a scape. So I only had that was because you got to keep bored. You got to have to have to have the power.
All right. He's he meant. He has the power. For a bit of a while back, we used yet another one of Spanish reds posts because she's sassy.
We were fucking. We were fucking sex. We were fucking. Is that why?
We were using her post. We just use it. We just shredded it because it was such goodness. And we just laid on it.
And I usually at least am nice enough to email these people and say, hey, you gave us blanket permission. We used your post. And she wrote back. And she said, tell Count Boogie that he must read my next post in his low fourth Friday of every month voice.
Well, you mean the fifth Friday or fourth Friday? Well, she wrote fourth. Oh, yeah. Maybe she meant the poetry, sexy.
Or you know you're going to do it. Apparently that. I do it. I do it.
You know what? Next time I have one from her, you get it. I mean, you're going to read it in that note. Or maybe I'll just give you a few excerpts for you to read.
Yeah. Give me a second. Well, are we doing it on our show? Do you want me to record it and send it to her?
On the show. Yeah, excerpts. Because I don't know how long the post is going to be. Listen, there's would be like, why is this fucking dipshit?
Reading this post ranting against brats, you know? I don't know. But I'll do it. I'll give it to you.
She's going to give it to her. Maybe you're nice, you will. Leave her alone. She is not.
She doesn't have a lot of pictures of her. But the one she does, I sure hope her. What? Not everybody's going to skip over the phone.
I would let her emotional support testicles me for at least 20 minutes. Wow, you would. I would. That's the generous of you.
I would lay my gentle living nads in. I think you would grab your balls and say, no they're mine! Which might be hot. Why is that bad?
Girls fighting? Girls fighting over my emotional support testicles? That would be amazing. You're taking wine, I'll send you it.
You know you could try to take my emotional support testicles on a plane? They'll go on a plane. No, I'm just saying I shouldn't have to pay for the ticket. You know, that's it.
You know, you just loan yourself out, loan your testicles out. I could travel the world. I'll get that stupid little thing and put it around my nads that says emotional support animal. Oh, God.
And then I could just literally go to Japan. No, I don't even like leaving the love lab. If you tell me I can get a free trip to Japan or the UK, oh my God. I have dreamed my entire life of going to the UK.
I do actually don't have friends there. I just, all I have to do is just go to the airport and say, hey, go to the UK. Yeah, you need emotional support testicles, go with you. And they just, they gotta let you want because people bring every bullshit, pet and bullshit excuse.
Did you hear the story about the woman who flushed her support hamster because they wouldn't let her take it on the plane? That shows that connection. She had an emotional support hamster and the airline refused to let her take it on the plane so she flushed it. And then to the airline.
Something terribly wrong with this woman. Obviously. But then she turned on to the airline for making her flush her hamster. I don't think anyone made her flush the hamster.
I mean, but it just gives me. Before we had you are online too much. You need to take a break. Stop reading these stories about how she's getting flushed.
If she had emotional support testicles. That would happen. The entire flight. I'm just standing there in the aisle just like when my arms crossed.
Maybe a kilter, a skirt or something. You can't stand in the aisle on a plane. Look, I am an emotional support testicles. You'll have to have a seat.
Do the emotional support dogs get a seat? They have to go under the seat. They go under the seat. Well, I do, they do hang pretty fucking low.
I am kind of old. Hey, uh, just tuck them in the door. Tuck them in the door. Tuck my emotional support testicles right under the seat.
Hey, younger. Would you offer your testicles for emotional support on a plane? For a free trip to the UK? A free trip to the UK.
Wait, wait, wait, wait. I got to put this thing on. Do I have to remove them? No!
You see attached to them. You just have to stay under. They'll just dry up if you remove them. You just got to be letting people touch them.
No, you only have to let your emotional support carrier, your card holder, the person who had your testicles trained. Sure. Your testicles with your specific training. You said yes if we do it.
So now we got to admit. Which bit of it medical need? Which training? What training do you want to do for that?
I don't know. What training do half of the people that have emotional support animals do with their creature? I think they usually wear a little vest. That's what I'm saying.
I want the little vest. I want the little vest. So we got to have you creepy. Would you do it?
No. You wouldn't not do it. You might be wanting everyone touching your balls. Yeah, you just told me to.
Creepy, don't talk outside of the microphone. Do not sit back there with your handscrosser chest and talk. Don't make it. I don't believe in emotional support animals.
Can it go both ways? What if women want to do that? A bisexual emotional support testicles? Then I have to have dudes.
What if I want to offer my vagina? Yeah. It is more. Yes.
If you can make them do that. If you can queef on a plane for nine hours, you deserve to go to the UK for a break. How did we even get on there? I don't know.
What? We were talking about Spanish red. How did that happen? I don't know.
She's kind of sexy. She lives far though. She wouldn't come on the show. What's her name came on the show?
She lives in the UK? No. I think she's in a different country. Oh.
I'm talking UK. No. No. Twisted.
By the way, I'm going to take some of her stuff that she said. You could say that. You better ask her permission for you. Especially the pew stuff.
I don't have to ask. She was on the show. That audio is mine. That audio is mine.
You guys are all looking at the sign. What button is he going to press now? The next one. Oh, I thought I made a new jingle.
You forgot. You forgot. What? The jingle.
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No. Oh no. The jingle. The jingle.
The jingle! He's singing at the news repo. This guy was doing the game. He was eating the tastes from was okay.
It's him. It was kind of new to kink sort of. The issue here, and this was actually a long, both voice chat and chat that we had on a Friday night that went literally for hours. She has a kink, she has a particular fetish, and it's kind of a very focused fetish, but she was uncomfortable coming onto the chat room because she didn't think it was a fetish, because she didn't want the stigma of having a fetish attached to her.
Having this particular fetish. See, she has this thing, she knows that, but she didn't want that called a fetish, or it to be called kinky. And we can't talk about what it is, right? I was gonna say that for a different show.
Botta cap, botta bottle. You gotta tell us. Vampirism, which is completely normal. Well, so you just raised her hand instantly.
There's a lot of people in there. She was like, what? You guys have seen me. You guys have seen me.
She's ashamed of the word kink of eva kink. She was. She didn't. That association bothered her.
I don't know if ashamed is the right word, but having that association bothered her. That could be, I mean, that happens a lot. I think that happens a lot with people coming into the community is there's still that programming, whatever it's from, family, religion, whatever, you have kind of this, well, they justify, I have these things and these desires, but they're not kinky. This isn't BDSM.
This isn't one of those things that my family or my ex or my religion said was bad. So as long as we don't call it a kink, or we don't put it in this category, then I'm free from guilt and I could experience that. So I've seen that a lot. What she's, whatever.
Whatever they're going through, I think it's actually, that's really normal in this lifestyle. We see a lot of people that come in with that. No. I used to feel that way about, they tend to have to do with kink, but yeah, when you start to realize that I don't wanna be stigmatized in that way, when I was a young teenager, of course I started having fantasies of being with women.
And I immediately got so scared. Oh my God, I'm gonna be gay. Yes, how did this happen? I don't have a choice.
Oh my God, I'm gay now and I'm gonna be I'm gonna be marginalized. I'm gonna be labeled. This is gonna alter the course of my life. And it terrified me.
Cause I was, yeah, I didn't know any better. You take that shit in. You watch the movies, you watch TV shows, you read the books, watch the news, you saw the horrible things that were happening in AIDS and it was around that time. And it was very confusing to me as a young teenager and it was very frightening.