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Nov 25, 2024 57 min

144. Maxed Out

from Retrospection Hosted by Colin and Paul

In this episode we’re glitching out to the eighties stylings of, Max Headroom: 20 Minutes into the Future (1985). Along the way Paul reveals a dislike for a certain 80s game show, Colin reveals how Paul snaffles his pies, and they both face the end of the world; the eighties way.

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Hello and welcome to Retrospection. This time we're skipping across the airwaves and Blitverting our subconscious into the ether with Max Hedroom, 20 minutes into the future. My name's Colin and welcome to Big Time Television, the network with two-scompany, three-zone audience, just like our listeners. Well, why don't we buy a four or five, then?

Oh, double-deafickers. That was somewhat short. Maybe some of them are maybe tall. We need our own Blitverts.

Just cram a 150-odd episode into like three seconds. That really would make you head-expired, wouldn't it? It would, yeah. Maybe we shouldn't leave alone.

Maybe not. We don't want lawsuits, so it's the last thing we want. Nope. At minus poll, and we've got to find something better than those bloody old video clips.

There's nothing better than old video clips. That's what you spend most of your working day watching. Have you been watching me again? Been watching you watching them?

Yeah, oh yeah, very good. IMDB says, in the dystopic near future, a crusading TV reporter investigates new stories with the help of a wise-cracking computer version of himself. No. Sorry IMDB, but that is a description for the American series.

That is not a description for the British TV movie. Well, they are very, very, very similar. No, but the first episode is, but the American series is about that, but this movie is not about that. True, yes, yeah, I'll tell you a point, yes.

No, because we are going to be doing the British TV movie. We are, mostly. Mostly, we're going to reference the American one, because you can't not. Absolutely.

And this there's Matt Thruer as Edison Carter, Nicholas Grace as Grossman, William Morgan as Blank Reg, Amanda Pays as Fiora Jones, Paul Spirrios as Bryce Lynch, and Judge Rassie as Mylar, I mentioned him because he's in 200 episodes of the bill. I see which one's that character? The Scottish henchman. Oh, yes, he is, isn't he?

I knew I knew that guy from somewhere. Yeah, he's in the bill. I mean, if I was professional, I would have looked up. I knew you would though, so.

There you go. Written by Steve Roberts, George Stone and Rocky Martin, directed by Annabelle Jankle, who also directed. Super Mario Brothers, the previous episode that you're not involved in. Yeah, she also did the decent DOA remake with Dennis Quaid and Meg Ryan.

Yeah, yeah, I love that movie. You know what? I don't know about you, but I missed that mid-budget random movie period with the late 80s, early 90s DOA, dead again, internal affairs. Yeah, they're going to be different, isn't they?

No. Yeah, but yeah, so they made a couple of movies, depends on your opinion of Super Mario Brothers. But I think they were problematic at best as these two characters. Which two characters?

The directors. Oh. I'm pretty sure if I remember back to Super Mario Brothers, that they, let's say we're difficult to work with. Ah, OK.

If we listen to the Super Mario Brothers podcast, will we learn more about them? You will indeed. Ah, OK. I probably should listen to it.

But you don't listen to any of that. We all know this. You don't listen to any of that. You're not involved in it.

No, because I live in fear that they might be better. Only our listeners can tell us. I don't want them to. I'm not talking anyway.

Keep it in themselves. Keep it in themselves. This first aired on Channel 4 at 9.30pm on Thursday, April 5, 1985, just after Pookie Snack & Burger in Restoration Comedy. What?

Well, it was a new musical comedy series starring Pookie Snack & Burger, which was a musical theatre group. I have no recollection of any of this at all. Nope. No.

BBC One was showing a calendar in comedy called, I woke up one morning. Nope, still not with you. And ITP had an interview with David Owen. What do you think we were doing?

Not watching any of this, but it sounds a bit. I was watching this. I was watching Max Sedri. You watched this, did you?

I watched it when it heard. You see, this is the weird thing. I knew that this show existed and a new American one existed. But I predominantly knew Max Sedri through his interview shows and talk shows and music shows they did.

I've never seen these until this. So your opinion will be very interesting at the end of all this. I wouldn't go that far. Interesting is a strong word calling involves things.

It is. Involves an emotion and effort. Two things you lack in it. I've got emotion.

I'm not Spock. You know. I think you'll find that Spock has an emotion. He just has to hide it.

I walked into that one didn't I? Music is by mid-year at Chris Cross. What? Really?

I mean, I had a hunt for the music for a start. It's on the end. I found the music in this to be almost game show-like at times. It doesn't live up to the names behind it, does it?

Not at all. Not at all. I think it's a Bob Holness presenting blockbusters at one point. It was a bit violent.

Why would you kick into him? What did he do? Well, presented blockbusters. He's done knowing me that show.

You didn't like it? No. I think I like it. It's fussy little.

It's not that weird concept. It was two players against one player, right? Yeah, two against one for a start. So that's not right, is it?

No. And then you've got Bob Holness, Mr. Chum Lee Warren, presenting it. And then you've got the contestants themselves who have fussy, his bloody, boy, because of everything you like.

It's jealousy because they always like, Hi, I'm David Lewis and I'm from Cambridge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your big, gnarven working class on the pants got twisted. Are the people who have achieved something in life?

Well, they were not blockbusters. Yes. Actually, probably one of them working in the cabinet, though. I don't mean in a cabinet.

I mean, trying to get out. You're well, I work a lot of them around. Anyway, I digress. Should we explain what Max Hadrian actually is in a bit about it?

Go on. Okay. So, Max Hadrian was supposed to be the first computer-generated TV presenter, but was, in fact, map through in makeup against an Amiga-generated background, occasionally generated by Amiga. But nobody knew this at the time because through wasn't allowed to reveal it was him until much later.

I think we knew though, didn't we? No. He had to sign an NDA. No one knew.

He was until after the show had been on Earth. That's a weird thing because I just assumed that everyone knew. No? Maybe I didn't know them at the time.

But maybe it's one of those time things where you can't actually remember where you actually did find out. You know, all right. Yeah. Max is sarcastic, egotistical, he still doesn't glitch his.

Oh, what's with people like that? What? What? Yep.

Well, I'm doing it now. Okay. Okay. Got messed up.

The character was created for Channel Faria, which started in 1982. There was this one-off TV movie that gave background to Max, and then a couple of days later, the Max Hedram show started in which he was a VJ, a video disc jockey, introducing music videos, and this music show doubled Channel Far's viewing figures. And I think this is what I remember it predominantly from. Right.

Right. Music show was also a hit in the US on Cinemax. All right. Now, not so long ago, I had to do some work with the US versions of this show and I had to explain to a younger member of the team that it wasn't CGI but actually an actor.

So it still works. I guess so. I guess so. That was going to be one of my questions.

I was going to ask you do you think you still hold up? But I mean I'm not sure it holds up but you know if you don't know that it's not because we can do that kind of thing now. Yeah. Yeah you could do it.

You would need a Mac through and make up now. No. No. No.

After three years that ended then in 1987 ABC in the USA bought the rights to Mac Cedric and created a TV series just called Mac Cedric based on this original British TV movie. In fact the first episode uses the same script as a UK one and still stares Matt through and Amanda paid and by this point it was known that through was Mac Cedric. That's why he gets a credit and America one doesn't get a credit. Right.

Okay. That show ran for 13 episodes and also stares George Coe who's been in everything and Jeff re-tambour. That was one that threw him in when he turned up in it because he's playing it straight and I'm so used to seeing Jeff he tambour and I'm not playing things straight. Yes.

Yeah. There was a Christmas special written by George. I'm Matted. What other show did that guy write?

Not the big one that everyone knows now. The books are you know the show that the books are based on. Yeah. The other show.

So much I the better show from the 80s. Oh, he wrote a lot of episodes of it. Banana Man. The biggest of the being.

Go on. What is it? What is it? What is it?

Beauty and the Beast. Oh, I've heard of that I think. In fact, in fact he turns up in the next episode of Beauty and the Beast sat in a diner reading one of his game for own books. So that's how old that is.

Mm hmm. Alright. Max had blue contact lenses at the beginning but switched to wearing sunglasses because the contacts are stetted to be too painful for through to wear. I'm kind of glad he did because I don't know there's something where it's that uncanny valley valley feels.

Central. The eyes kind of are a bit weird aren't it? A bit freaky looking. Yeah.

Yeah. So we should point out it was huge at this point. Max said there was a computer game on the spectrum coming out 64 and something called the Amstrad. I remember that game.

I mean, watching this I mean it is perfect for a computer game in the 80s isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Although I'm sure that the computer game was probably just a platformer with.

No, I can't remember. I'm sure you had to be puzzles and things. Like, yeah. It's the Amstrad one.

Yeah, I'm sure I remember doing puzzles. Uh, various TV appearances covers of magazines like Newsweek. Mm hmm. Yeah.

So most of it in my younger days I used to always get Matt through it and Dwight Schultz mixed up. Well, they are very similar. I can see why. Yeah.

You can see Matt through a playing Murdoch and you can see Dwight Schultz playing. I can see. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So also said around this time cyberpunk was a big deal.

Mm hmm. The futuristic fusion of humanity with cybernetic technology. For example, William Gibson's novel, Neuromancer, was published in 84, which is considered the origin of the cyberpunk genre. Now I read Neuromancer at the time.

I was really into that stuff. I remember. Mm hmm. You kept trying to get me to read it.

I read it. I read it. I read it. I read it.

I read it. I read it. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Letters from wives of readers or something. I don't know what you mean. I read.

Well, yeah. Mm hmm. Go on. Do you have any tippets?

I'm pretty much kind of what you said. Max appeared in a Coca-Cola advertising campaign. That cost $25 million. That's a big thing.

What? Coca-Cola. I know. I mean, why did it cost $25 million?

Well, apparently the commercials were all filmed at the 007 stage at Pinewood and the first one was directed by Riebly Scott. So that's 20 million in Ridley Scott's pocket and the other 5 million probably you still make the commercial. I mean, to be honest, I just want to now go and type in Coca-Cola advert Riebly Scott. Can I actually read it on YouTube and see if it exists?

Because I haven't seen it. I have a vague memory of him being in Coca-Cola advert. I can tell you what they were. Yeah, I must have seen it at the time.

It would have been a bit of a word. They would have been. The rights to Max ever were a bit of a complicated mess, aren't they? There's various companies having their fingers in his pie.

I think that's probably why we don't see it coming back that much. Yeah, because they're all arguing about who owns what and intellectual property rights and things like that. It's all mixed up. Did you know that HBO provided finances towards this movie's production?

Yes, I did. Didn't bring it up though, did you? No, I didn't. But that's part of the reason why I worked on something recently.

I get that. I worked on it, but I don't know how you do it. Something to do with it. It's something to do with it.

Yeah, I worked on something to do it. Yeah, and that's pretty much it. Other than, did you hear about this strange incident in 1987, which kind of illustrates how huge Max Age was at the time. It was being used when apparently during the, I think it was the nine o'clock news on a channel called WGN in the US, the TV signal suddenly switched to someone wearing a Max Edgerine mask, and he was speaking to the camera for about a minute until it went back to the schedule program.

And then later, the same day during an episode of Doctor Who, funnily, after they were showing. Oh, nobody would have noticed it. What a fuck. These limey shows, though.

You probably look better, to be honest. I probably better, better. It went back to the moment in the mask for another two minutes. And then before going back to Doctor Who again, and still to this day, no one knows who did it.

I mean, there's theories. Was that back to the man in the mask? That's like a micro piece about it. Yeah, but yeah, pretty much you covered it all.

Okay, so let's get into the show. Shit. I'm a goodie, but I'm not that terrible. We are all higher.

Both of you. This junk is a machine. This is not Edison Carter. It is a computer-generated geek.

It is useless. Do you understand me? Edison is somebody else in the system. We buried that kind of crap decades ago.

Then I am talking rittings, and I'm talking people thing. Do I do it? Then do what you have to do, guys? So we all probably like static, and then we hear voices, and Edison Carter is a real writer.

So we all probably like static, and then we hear voices, and Edison Carter is live on the scene of an apparent apparent explosion, where he's pulled from the repart by the high-rops network 23 that he works for, because somebody is suppressing the story about the apparent explosion, and he's been not by the cops. So everything is done like through his camera and the static, and we get clips of sound bytes. It's got some major flavour of vibes to it, as well, hasn't it? I mean, the graphics on the screens that are all through this movie look very much like those graphics in Blade Runner.

I thought a lot of them look like the graphics from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. I can see that. But the fact where everything doesn't really work properly, I like that. Everything's a bit cobbled together and a bit slapdash.

I mean, this whole world could be almost post-apocalyptic, isn't it? Yes. Yeah, but there's no explanation of how the world got to be like that. No, no.

I mean, it doesn't need an explanation at the end of the day, does it? Oh, I kind of like it that way. Yeah, maybe if it made more. I don't know if you...

I mean, we both watch the US version. Have you seen any other episodes besides the first US version? Not from the world. I wonder whether the world, because the world didn't seem as messed up in that as it does in this.

I think the British version has 1980s. Oh, this is what the future is going to be like. Because it's clearly filmed at, like, I don't know if it's Darklands, but it looks like that kind of area where everyone's been knocked down or destroyed. Canary Wharf or something like that before they did it?

Yeah, probably. Yeah. So, what do you think of the production value? It's weird because it looks cobbled together and it looks cheap.

But at the same time, because it looks like that, it's got atmosphere. Yes. Which is something the American one doesn't have. The American one, it looks...

Hi, a production value. It's got a high production value. And because it has it looks like a set. And it looks like every other late 80s, early 90s TV show did at that time.

Whereas this looks kind of real. Yeah, I see where you're coming from. Did you not also think that it had that rocker-hoa split second feel about it? Yeah, it does look a bit like that.

Yeah. Which I suppose you could forgive it because it's a made for TV one hour movie. Whereas split second was an actual movie. Yeah, I get the feeling that shafts of light do a lot of work.

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Shadow, shafts of light, light, dark, you know, all that kind of stuff. Yeah, it does smoke.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of smoke. Yeah. So, here it turns to the office.

He's angry for having his story dropped. Don't forget no support for his producer. I know we see the bosses of network TV. Oh, network 23.

So, he's talking about Blitverts, which has subliminal adverts. So, they're causing people to die. In fact, even explode. Yeah.

Yeah. It feels like the idea of things being controlled by shadow figures in a dimminglet boardroom. That was kind of like a very 80s fear, wasn't it? There was a lot of that going on at the time.

It's a good job. It never became a reality, isn't it? I think also the concept of subliminal advertising was a thing people were talking about at the time as well. Yeah, but no one really understood it back then, did they?

I don't think. I know it was banned. You went to do adverts, shot it in the same time. So, I mean, they're talking about things that were probably in the news at the time.

Right. Yeah. I'm also getting very definite 2000-day dev vibes from this as well. Yes.

I can see that. Especially later with the body farm kind of thing. Yeah. This actor playing, is it, is named Grossman?

Yes. Nick was great. So, he was also the Prince John in Robin and Sherwood. So, he created this episode.

Yes, he was. He plays great slimy villains, I think. He does indeed. Yeah.

Yeah. Treble's when you see him, you go like, oh, villain. Yeah. I'm so glad he just looks like one, doesn't he?

That's the thing, because he's probably looks like one size like one. What are you going to cast him as a villain? Yeah. Yeah.

And we get to meet Bryce on the video screen because he's the person who invented the blip-birts and he's got a tape of showing these people what happens and the tape is not Nick, it's titled Rebus Tape. So Bryce is your favorite character, right? As soon as he's on screen, he's already punchable from his opening line. Don't drag me into your personal feelings for this character.

You know what? He looks like he would be a contestant on blockbusters. That's what he looks like. Well, so that's why you're jealous of him.

I'm jealous of him. That's the guy. This graphic of an overweight man slakes in a chair in front of a TV. It felt strangely familiar to me.

I don't know why. Oh, did it? Yeah, I don't know why. I wouldn't take it personally.

I did not see you in that image. Thank you. Thank you. It's too slim.

Thank you. I am working on it. I'm not. I'm not.

I'm not. I'm not. You know what I'm saying. When he says, um, pension is the sick or the only ploy about the only ones that this would affect as well.

You've got to get to it a minute. Are you sure that this wasn't the hidden CCTV coverage of the actual current UK cabinet? I mean, one of those sessions because those are all the things that they don't care about either. Same things they didn't care about in the 80s, right?

It's very factual. Very true. Yeah. Yeah.

And it wasn't it. One of them said, if you don't employ it, get it on your bike. Yes, it was. Do you remember a crazy blonde?

Yeah, I think that was that guy. Michael Hestletine. That's him. That's him.

Twat. Fair enough. So Kat again, you produce a called the Auradgeons played by Amanda Pais. So, yeah.

Go on. Yeah. She's been in lots of other stuff. I actually still work and she's, she was in the flash.

She was in the original. Yeah. And she was in the last one too, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Hasn't changed a bit. Okay. Good.

Is that all we need about Amanda Pais? You'll be very restrained Colin. Why? I respect her.

She did. She did. She recently helped Kat. I found out why reporters are being pulled off from stars.

She does have to be a computer wiz. Gets access to various cameras inside the building of network 23. Apparently there's a camera in the bench. I've been involved in setting these up.

You're the IT. I have nothing in common with Chuck Berry. Allegedly. You heard about the whole thing with Chuck Berry putting cameras and toilets, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Nothing to do with me. I've never done that.

I did like the line when he says to, she says to him, how's the head? It's fine. How's yours? It's a bit near the knuckle and a bit edgy for ATTV, isn't it?

Yeah. Are they here too? Executive's talking about subliminal advertising and that it can kill the viewers? They probably felt super high tech, didn't they?

And futuristic back in the 80s. All these cameras being located. Yeah. I suppose so.

I mean... Just a choosing eye, isn't it? In the modern world. Yeah.

So many cameras everywhere. They're always being watched, but... I hope not. Always.

Not when I'm exploding. I hope not. One BDI is watching your one BDI. Okay.

That's my bad name. One BDI. Isn't that, um, Nol Gallegas? No, isn't it?

Liam Gallegas? Band BDI or something? Is it? I think he's called BDI.

I'm sure it is. Don't know. Can't keep up with these youngsters? No, no.

Liam Gallegas. He's my average, isn't he? One of them is at a hip replacement. Probably.

Yeah. No, no, I'm not. Oh, wow. Okay.

Yeah. Are you going to watch him? Well, I thought to myself, I saw him back in the day when they were good. Do I need to go and watch these old guys?

You know, trying to recapture the whole thing? I mean, not really. Plus, if I'm going to be surrounded by all these 50-year-old men wearing anorax and combing her her forwards and trying to do, like, my Korean accent. Do I really want to put this off the roof?

Not really. Sounds like a normal weekend for you. Well, I'm sorry, I can't. I don't either.

Yeah. Don't have experience this anymore. You seek them out. You know, like a home in Pigeon.

Well, other northerners. Yes, just to feel like you belong. Well, I do work with another norther. You walk around, wave it up high to attract their attention.

No, no, no, no. You can't have them down here. Oh, no. You have to go to the other side.

So attract their attention. No, no, no. You can't have them down here. Oh, no.

You haven't been parted from them at all. The tide to a whippet. I'd say. I'd say.

I'd say. The whippet runs down the M6. Big red cross on its back. Don't like it.

We talked about it before. Yeah. We are. You know.

No, thanks. So she locates a camera on the roof and does an interview taking place of a guy called Ben Sheveraert. He's kind of like an executive. And he's going off to Japan to sign a zigzag deal.

Yes. Yeah. So Curtis, I guess he kind of knows him because he's like, oh, I'm going to go up the gate crash down into you and just a question him. Ask questions, right?

He just pushes the other guy who's already interviewed him out of the way. And the other guy just goes, all right. Well, yeah, but you know why? Because Curtis is like the top rated program.

That's all that matters in this world. Yeah. So he's not going to challenge him because he's in top. Yes.

Exactly. Yeah. And he's that question this guy Ben. But Ben, you know, I guess he's kind of on on Curtis side because he's not really with the network.

So he's like, turn the tape off. And he's telling him about this Reavers tape and the bullet first. I think this works better in the British one than the American one. Oh, I prefer the American one.

I thought the American one was more clearer. We've understanding what was going on. It is a bit more it's neater. I'll give it that.

Yeah. But I prefer this one. All right. Wave of Union Jack.

Why don't you know what? We had the pants on as well. No, I haven't changed. I haven't actually.

No. No one depends. No, Commander Otonite. So well, that face paint is far.

Yeah, I'm going out like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Dargin. So he learns about this tape and then it's at Brace's lab studio. And so with Farrah's help, he's going to break in. But he trips in a while.

He does. And someone's seen person. We've seen me scroll from him. I guess.

Contacts, Marlar and Bruegel, who are two slightly comedic henchmen. Yeah, these characters don't exist in the American one, don't they? No, they do. But they're not.

Yeah, they do. But they don't get as much screen time. Yeah, they're not as flesh out as probably the wrong word. They're not as.

They're not as dialogue. Yeah, they're not as elaborate early in the American one. Yeah, there's no banter. Yeah, they're funnier in this.

Yeah. Yeah. So in the lab, Gator finds a tape called Reavis and it shows what happens to a person watching a blit just to go kablui. Yeah, it's quite gruesome as well, isn't it?

Yeah, it's a good old head explosion. It is. Farrah's is a male at Bruegel approaching. Cats have run threat.

They are a guy team around. But there's somebody else in the system setting traps for Kata. And that is Bryce. Why didn't Mal and Bruegel smash the place up as they're walking around?

Isn't that an obusses? They don't really respect the bosses, don't they? But it's not. But you don't go around smashing the place up.

I mean, you don't respect your obusses. We don't smash the place up. I guess it's like a shortcut to show that there are a couple of thumbs, aren't they? Right.

They don't play by the rules. No. I mean, you see them for the first time. They're already packing away a body into like little bags, aren't they?

With a... Which they cut off. Yeah. I also...

I did like how she's leading Kata through a round with the earpiece and telling him, like, turn left weight as people walking by. It was very... kind of like how most modern, modern movies aren't now. It's not one of any of these ear telling him turn left and right.

Walk over here, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. I know.

I thought I'd get that respect. I was just prefer the days when Bond did his own thing. Absolutely. But for himself, it changed.

Absolutely. Yeah, we said it before. You want to remote control drone? It reminds me of a what's that video game?

Solid Snake? Metal Gear Solid. Yeah. Metal Gear Thank You.

It reminded me of that video game. Metal Gear Solid. Yeah. It does look a bit like that.

Yeah. Yeah. That's got that idea behind it. Kata steals Miles bike and is chased by them in a van.

When we cut to Bryce as well, we find out that it's him that's packing into the system as well and trying to put a spanner in a word for him. I was quite concerned about the fact that he's sitting in a bath with his computer next to him. Does he not know how to do your size? I mean, I'd be quite happy if he did drop the computer into the bath and be honest with him.

You never sat in the bath if you lapped up? No. Oh, all right. Way too dangerous.

I'm too clumsy to that. That's true. That's true. You drop it in the bath.

So, I mean, if it wasn't plugged in to the mains, I'd run in the laptop. If it was plugged in to the mains, I'd be dead. Yeah. And then find your naked bodice, rivalled in the bathtub water with an endless certain video, please.

Well, hopefully the water was shorted to the air column, so get it. You'd help someone. Yeah. You could pray.

Pray for small things. Yeah. So, Bryce lowers a barrier in the car park and Fiora tries to rise it again. So, we get like a computer battle between the two.

As Carter's riding towards it, and then Bryce makes a round pop-up and Carter flies headfirst into the Max Headroom signed barrier. I never knew that that's why he's called that. You do. No, because I've never seen this before.

So, it never occurred to me that Max Headroom is something that you see on signs. Only on British Car parks, don't happen in the States. Well, they do in the American one, don't they? Well, yeah, I guess that's what they're talking about.

Because that's his name. Yeah. But yeah, I didn't even do that. Well, if you learn something new, it's a good little scene.

It's set up. Yeah, it is. Again, I prefer the British version of this than the American version. What is wrong with you?

It's just more real looking to them. Real? Yeah. It feels a bit more ritzy.

Yeah? So, Fiona goes to find it, but all she discovers is bits of the motorbike and blood on the barrier. Yeah, it looks like a nasty accident. It does.

He's dead. End of the show. It's a little bit of an hour yet, go in. Oh, OK.

Marla and Bruegel take Carter to Bryce. Gross wants to know why they tried to kill Carter. Bryce says it's because he saw the Rebus tape. Because Grossman can't have once in life because he's still the best repartive.

They've got. No one's obsessed with ratings. Aren't they all these days? Yeah.

It's good to work not. I know, right? Grossman is less than impressed with Bryce's effort though, isn't he? What he does in it?

Yeah, because Bryce wants to, well, the idea is to keep Carter on ice for a while, but then Grossman is like, oh, people will notice he's missing. I'm going to talk about it. But Bryce is, well, I've created this computer version. I've downloaded his subconscious into this machine and we can keep doing news reports so nobody knows he's missing.

Yeah. So, one problem, it's shit. This is why I'm going to flip and say that I think that the reason is because I'm not trying to pretend that he's still alive so that while they've got him on ice, it's more about the fact that they need to know what he knows. So they're going to download his consciousness into this AI thing that they're creating and try and find out that he only doesn't work as well as what they hope for.

It's funny. Yeah. It's really when the American people read the British script, they were like, no one's going to be convinced by this glitching computer image that this is. And how would anyone like, why would, no, it doesn't work?

Yeah. So that's a little tweak, I think that works better. Yeah. All right.

Fiora is trying to track Curtis Bardy but no hospitals have it. So, also, if she says to look, get rid of Carter and destroy the machine. This thing you've created. And Bryce is like, okay, we'll do it, but he doesn't.

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