145. Martin Mucklowe Returns!

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That's www.beer52.com forward slash wtaf. What the actual fuckers and welcome to wtaf of this country podcast. Now first he's the man that was just sat on a train when he heard Paul Merton say to his agent the old milky bar kid keeps staring at me. This is why we should go first class Derek.

It's Neil. It's not a bad hello everybody. It's not the kind of time I've been brought a milky bar kid either. Oh, you bet it isn't.

I'm surprised we've dumped on that years ago. Yeah, old rocker white cowboy hat. Every Friday night. Yeah.

Okay, now I guess this episode needs no introduction, whether it's from his songwriting skills. He did write Wonderwall after all his shagging skills for all the gear, no idea. Or just playing a shit house. He's now also famous for gobbling up the box with Daisy.

We are proud to announce the return of the dirty people, big dipper himself, Martin McLough, the one and only Paul Cooper. Yay. All right there guys. Now I was listening to the first time you joined us, which was way back in episode three, which was the first time you shouted and that was just after you finished filming series two.

Right. So we've got a lot to talk about because obviously when we spoke to him, we had no idea what was in store for Martin McLough. We had no idea just what kind of a shit house he was going to be and what he was going to become. And also how much he was going to become this anti-hero that a lot of people loved.

Did you have any inkling at the time that that was going to happen? No, not really. I think it's really kind of hit home. Third series really.

Something that's been a huge wave of kind of interest. And I guess just on social media, it takes time to build a following and then you get comments like there's a big bit of gear or whatever. And during COVID, it's something kind of right Instagram or whatever, which is where I've got most followers. It's just kind of right really.

So then you get feedback about the show and about your own performance in it and it's being superb. And I think going through lockdown that, the early stage of lot of scenes ages ago, the third series, I think that so many people have said it is going to help with through lockdown and beyond. They can continually go back to their mental health. It's extraordinary.

So on the third series, I find the episode that you made in episode three is a lot darker. You're a lot darker in it than you have before when you move back in some of the things. Was that all scripted? Yes, pretty much so.

Except the the app, the TV, although they only used a little bit about that, and I kind of went off piece and went absolutely mad on that. Most of that was, well, for sure that was cut out, but it's been in some of the outtake reals and what I'm going on about throwing kids on jit vampires. And unfortunately, we had a massive party with Dan Reeves, Jimmy Walker, and I should think we had a whole night, just one big huge piss up, which was the kind of drinks before going on to a party, my release party, but unfortunately about two seconds through the window was being with us. Some of that stuff, you could have made a whole series just on that.

And that's the problem, you know, so much gets cut because they film so much. So good stuff, you can make a whole month series easy. I was going to say with the dark stuff though, when you read it on the script, do you think, whoa, that's even gone a bit darker than I usually am as Martin? Kind of, it was kind of heading that way, wasn't it?

How can we make a dark and he was such a busted after the second series, how the second series ended? He's been in prison for a couple of years, so he's kind of come out a bit of a bitter man and a nasty piece of work. It's that bit when you're talking about hovering a pillow over like baby Kerry's face. You've got this knack of, it doesn't look like you're acting and it's very natural, but you have these little moments, that bit when you go, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, I think it's just fantastic.

And it's one of those things I don't think you could go to acting school for years and not have that natural little moment. That's one of my most that's my favorite moments in the series, is that bit when you go, you know what I mean, you know what I mean. That's the thing is that script it or is that something you just add into it into your performance? It's scripted, but I have to give credit to Tom, Simon and Daisy and Charlie for the notes they gave me.

I don't actually, Charlie's there, I don't think so. I'm not going to give them any credit. Just about underplaying it, you know, to make it that much more powerful. So, you know, you know, the direction and stuff is absolutely superb, you know, and they talk you talk you through each bit, but they let you run with it.

You know, we always have quite a number of takes and there's a bit of ad lib and they'll take bits from everything, but that was really the way, you know, that they told me how to play it was to kind of underplay it, you know, so that's more dark and powerful. Did you find it easier to feel? No, this time being the third time in. Sorry.

Did you find it an easier, more of an easier experience to film third time in? Yes. Yeah, I didn't, I have very little nerves, but in retrospect, actually, I think my better acting was probably in the, when I was completely naive and maybe the first series with Ethan and Tom. Oh, really?

I just saw some of the stuff there was kind of, I don't know, and maybe for any letters. But yeah, I kind of thought I was better than. Thing is, I think you said such a hard but that first scene or the scene of you telling Kerry about when you first peeped. And again, I'm not going to smoke up your ass.

I just think you're very, very good at doing that kind of thing. And it's totally believable. If someone, I think we even said it, let me first watched it, Neil, that if someone has said that that's the first time you'd ever acted and you're not a proper actor, no one would believe you because it was just, you were so natural at it and so great at doing that sort of thing. And that voice, I know it's, I think I was listening to the episodes that we did before you think it's based on Fred West.

I mean, what do you do with characters like that? Yeah, I mean, it's, it's such a brilliant character to play, you know, being a nice guy or whatever is difficult. I think villains, it's the best part of play without a doubt, you know, and you can get away with absolutely bloody murder. Yeah.

You're talking to people later and you're doing celeb videos. You can say what you want, you know, and no one takes offense. You know, I'll give you a message of good stuff. I shag in every position.

Like that. That's fine. You can do what he wants. Brilliant.

So how has the cameo been coming on then? How is that taken? Has it taken up well for you? Well, it's got the universal credit put it that way.

It's literally the only thing that's keeping me alive at present. Right. Well, that's good. It's funny, you know, it's because my job just stopped, you know, first they have locked in and I was self-employed.

So yeah, it's been great, really. I mean, it's a full credit to, to work in some Baptiste. So he very kindly said, you know, I did a bit of work for him. And he said, you know, get on this thing.

He said, save me. You know, he was in the middle of a tour and that was all cancelled. So I think people in the industry have been really, really hard hit. So, you know, you just kind of do something I probably would have done before, but you do what you can to survive.

So how has obviously financial side of it has been hard? How has lockdown been for you sort of personally and mentally? Have you been able to cope okay? So I know you've been doing a lot of stuff on Instagram and that as Martin McClos and sort of as yourself with Little Pip going out every so often.

Has it been sort of been hard for everybody, hasn't it? But have you dealt with it? Yeah. Yes, it's kind of just kind of did things like I mean, I've got a guitar out of the garage, you know, much of the North Institute.

And you know, I hadn't played it for about, you know, 30 odd years. So just, you know, I started writing songs again, I haven't written the songs since 1982, you know. So just those kind of things, weird things. So people, I think people have, you know, it's been tough, but also people have discovered things maybe that they've put back or haven't had time to do.

So I think it's been a very creative time for a lot of people, you know. Because something you would do is write as well, like Charlie and Daisy, would you ever ever go write in a sitcom yourself or anything? Well, I've written a short film or helped write a short film that hopefully will come out one day. So I've kind of done that.

So I'm looking kind of for funding and stuff. I totally different subject to the kids aren't involved in that one. But so that was my first kind of, I've written a couple of books in part. But so that's my first kind of stab at it.

So quite enjoyed it. I think short films, 10 minutes long, I might kind of, I just get bored after a while. I don't know what I mean. It just kind of loses interest.

Films is the new thing. I just want to go back to what you said about the, the party scene with Dan. In regards to, like you said, it could have been a whole show by itself. So what did that scene actually entail then?

Can you tell us all? Yeah, yeah. We were doing all sorts, kind of arm wrestling, drinking competitions, rolling around, dancing, chanting. And it's quite interesting because they said, Oh, to make it more realistic, do you want to make there?

So my best mate, Robert, as you looked like a lovely trotter, seeing for that one second. So he came down and joined in. So that was quite a laugh. I know, for Jimmy was really bigging it up.

Oh yeah, I'm in this episode. Shaddo for about two seconds for the window. But that's the way it is. That's the way it is.

But it was a kind of a lot of filming. It was a couple of hours filming. Messing around on live and you know. And also there's Sandra at the end of the episode, which we only sort of really get a faraway glimpse of with the Holiachen.

So was there, was there more of that scene or was that basically it with that? That was kind of it. Yeah, it was so it was, yeah, my first, my first on screen kiss. Yeah.

How many takes? What you do and you just obviously know it's not just the kind of bizarre, bizarre, bizarre. But the actress was superb and he'd done it before. So, so we're not going to see you in the remake of nine and a half weeks then, Paul.

Well, I don't know. I don't know. Half seconds is more money. You need to keep up the Martin Mercalo Mistique, Glo mate.

You can't go saying that. Yeah, yeah, ten times a night. Yeah, so I'm not going to be going backwards and forwards, but I need because we only spoke to you well, you've just finished filming series two. The whole thing, when series two came out and then we had the cliffhanger at the end, what Kerry was going to do and then the aftermath, were you a little bit disappointed that you didn't have more to do in the aftermath episode?

Yeah, I'd wear you. No, because Daisy said, oh, dad, you're in loads. It's all about you in prison. This is how things change.

You're in prison and you're in there and and you're desperate to try and get some facts and you're kind of writing to Kerry. So, of course, I thought, oh, brilliant. This is going to be good. And then it goes very quiet and you think, just wonder if I am.

But that's the nature of it. Somebody, they totally change. And very often with the kids, they're halfway through writing an episode and then they said, say, this ain't working and they go back and they completely rewrites it completely differently. So that's what it's about.

It just sounds like a great idea and then halfway through, it's not really going anywhere. And then the last they can change it. And they have their favorites. Series three, they're not happy with.

And they don't want to watch it. So, it's, Series three was, you know, Charlie said it was a million times tougher than the other two to write. And it was a different, very difficult to vote for them. They really, you know, it was a, it was tough.

Difficult as in to get the story right or difficult in the fact that constraints were not, they were up against it time wise, weren't they? Or difficult, obviously, because Michael as well, the president of Michael Michael. Michael, yeah, Michael. And just, you know, a Daisy come back from filming David Copperfield.

And of course, with David Copperfield, you know, there was a bit of AdLib and there's all these, you know, great people around and you're picks up in the morning and you get way to hand them foot. And you've got no responsibilities at all. You just come up and you'd rock up and do your lines and it's fun, you know, and meet up in the evening and stuff. And then suddenly your, it's all, it's all hangs on you, the responsibility of all those actors, all the crew, you know, by coming up with a decent script.

So so much hangs on it. And I think they just, I think they were quite amazed actually how good some of those episodes were. Some of them, they weren't so happy with. But I think they were amazed actually how it turned out.

They kind of hadn't got a clue because they don't get involved really in the, you know, the mixing and stuff of the editing. It's just too much, you know, it's just too much. So I thought that so they were very pleasantly surprised, you know, the outcome. And I think, you know, I think the driving mess of one for me is my favorite, my favorite episode of all three series, I thought that was the episode.

Yeah, that's the episode that won our poll. We did the poll for the best episode. That was the one that won sort of quite overwhelmingly. So, yeah, they just want to, I just laughed all the way through, you know, proper slapstick, isn't it?

Yeah. Do they come to you then and never ask you about like, if they're writing the say for Martin, do they ever come to you for ideas or maybe say to you, what would you think Martin would do in a situation like this? No, very much their thing with input from Tom Simon, who you know, who were great. So, you know, they would do a couple of things and then they, you know, someone's always, oh, hang on, you can't say that because that happened in episode, you know, so all that continuity and, you know, they're a good team.

You have to have a really good kind of team, you know. I keep out of it, you know, I completely keep out of it. I'm a series one, I was all kind of, what lines I got, what about I changed this and what, but you know, they're the experts and I try not to talk about it. It was a struggle.

All I know is that you kind of, you know, they'd ring after kind of for days writing and every day was awful. It was awful. It was awful. It was a series going to be like, so I think that's one of the reasons I've moved on.

Absolutely. So, where would you like to have seen Martin if you had a chance of writing an episode yourself? Well, Shagen is many women as possible. I don't know really.

I kind of, I don't really have any specific feelings really. It's just great to have something written for you and it's a surprise, you know. I've also myself from that really and, you know, always relish when I see what's been written and you always kind of think, oh, a lot of this will get cut because, you know, they just film, you know, Tom just films so much, you know, he films loads, you know, and some of the good gags around there, but someday it'll all come out. There are just so many good scenes that still haven't been shown.

I mean, with one of the things that you've got, I think coming up as we're recording this, we can have Martin McChlow Ghost Hunter. I think we'll be a good one. Well, that's right. And I'm doing a charity Ghost Hunter on the 5th of September.

So, yeah, I mean, I'm not sure what it's about. I'm just turning it up. I get pride in this hell. I don't watch any horror movies.

I'm a real scared cat. Do you believe in ghosts? Yes, I do. We lived my parents house years ago, which was incredibly old house.

And one of the rooms was the guest rooms was haunted. So several people had stayed there, saw an old man. So, you know, a number of occasions, and you went in that room and it was just a price. There was such an atmosphere in it, I believe.

It just made me laugh, because you said, old man, the way you say young man, when you're doing your Brian Clefen for a sneaker. Well, the thing is, there's some of it is skeptical, because why don't you see so many animals? In fact, Daisy and I at one stage long before this country, we worked, she had an idea of writing a TV comedy called Dinosaur Ghost about a guy that sees, and there wasn't actually found an article about a guy in Devon who saw a coast of time. It doesn't make a brilliant point.

It's a good question though. No one believes when his wife leaves him and he loses his job, because I think he's gone barking mad. And in the end, everyone sees this. They don't like Harvey the rabbit.

Everyone sees dinosaur ghosts. Yeah. Why are they no caveman ghosts and anything like that? What is that?

What does that mean? It's always odd Victorian man, isn't it? That's right. Or mainly with ruffs.

I remember when Daisy and Charlie were here and Daisy played us, that audio, when she was in Swindon Hospital of the Ghost. You know, actually here a ghost. That's the first time I ever actually heard a ghost. And I don't know.

I'm great. I got to go to the bay. And I think unless I saw a ghost in front of him, I've never seen a ghost, then I don't really believe it until I see something. But maybe you can tell us about it when you see all the ghosts on September the 5th.

Well, there we go. Absolutely. I've never actually seen that. But people came out of that.

There's very odd knocks on doors, you know, your bedroom doors at 9. There's some weird stuff going on in that house. Yeah. One of the other things I wanted to say, and I have very rarely ever criticized this country as a show.

But the one thing that I really wanted to see in series three was Kerry telling Martin to fuck off to have that moment where he's treated her like shit so many times that she actually breaks. And I really thought that was it when she saw Martin and Sandra having the kiss. I really thought that was going to be the moment. And I was really disappointed that that moment wasn't there.

Was there ever any plans for there to be a confrontation where Kerry faced the face told her how she felt? Not that I know of. It may well have been written because there's so many rewrites and stuff. But I don't know.

I think potentially it might have been a bit, I noticed that what everyone wanted, but it's kind of possibly unrealistic. When you see the rest of what's gone on, how's that kind of control over? And she still looks up to him. So she's always hoping, she's always waiting for that moment.

So it's probably more into real life, I would guess. And do you think it would have closed that door? So then if there are more or if there is a Christmas special or something later on in the future, that door is still open now, isn't it? Obviously if she doesn't send him to fuck off, he's still always going to be around.

Not I hope so. Yeah, I think he's good for an episode and he comes in and forces a bit havoc. Mayhem and then kind of leaves. So yeah, yeah, keep it as it is.

Yeah. And it's also one of the greatest entrances into an episode, the episode that you're in about main one in series three where she's chatting about something you just come walking in and addressing get some out of the fridge, walk back out and there's no fanfare. And I can remember watching that the first time thinking, was that fucking mine? What the hell's he doing there?

There's no big fanfare, ladies and gentlemen, it's Martin Murkelow. And you're not on the door. I'm back. It was just great.

Yeah, good. Beautiful. Done. And I think that's why it's a bit like the not, you know, she calling out Martin, it's that it's they kind of almost think beyond that, if you know what I mean?

Yeah, that's they try not to be too obvious, you know, and lead you too much. I think that makes a lot of sense. The amount of times we predicted what we think is going to happen, like in the next series. And none of that happens because again, we're thinking of what the obvious thing is going to be that someone's going to do that.

Someone's going to be there. This is going to, and I think that's where they're writing is so clever, is that they are in between the lines, you know, they're doing some stuff that people don't even think about. Or it's just real life is what would happen in real life as opposed to what would happen on TV show. Yeah, I think a lot of shows you can kind of predict what's going to happen.

But certainly in that one, you can never predict. Yeah, right. We need to ask you about Gogglebox. How did that talk about?

Well, Daisy was asked and then they asked me and I don't know the producer of light fire in the brain. So I just kind of came out of the blue, you know, again, when things are really tough. So, you know, I got the kind of the videos and the Gogglebox and in the same time, so it was just a desire, you know, things just change in a moment, you know. And yeah, it was great to, you know, it was a real honour to be kind of a person like that, you know, most of the viewers didn't know who that I was.

But, and that was a quite difficult one, you know, to do because you're kind of, you're there for three hours commenting and then they kind of used one thing or two things. So it's, and especially that last one, I thought, I've got, we're in the last quarter and I hadn't said a word yet. And then there was the Slush Puppy moment. So I know you've forgotten what you said that and then it was kind of, you know, I've had nothing else for the next week.

So, how does that actually work? Are you watching it at the time that it's on a TV or do they give you like a DVD of the programs that you just then watched? Do you watch the whole program? Like Greece, did you watch the whole film?

Were you watching bits of it or? No, you just watched 10, 15 minutes. Oh, right. Yeah.

And yeah, so you comment on that. So, I mean, you know if there's going to be news. All right. Sorry.

I'm just watching. I can't, I can't, I can't, I'm so sorry. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Sorry. You're live on the podcast and I deal. So you've got your face in there. Oh, sorry.

No, that's fine. Oh my God. Oh, we love you. Yes, we love you.

Oh, yeah. So, yeah, you kind of see, you see extracts. I think you don't see the whole thing, but they kind of, you know, you kind of have a look out at the news and things like that week, you know, because you know, probably there's going to be news item, but yeah, it was very fun to do. So you're there for three hours because of COVID regulations, because days and I live in different houses, it was done in a neutral house in Stroud.

So I don't know whose house it was. It's better than days in my house. And there's lots of snacks there and, you know, drink. They keep asking you to top out the snacks and you have a takeaway of your choice.

So we had Chinese both times. We filmed and took it out with us. So nice. I mean, that's that's goggle box for you, isn't it?

I mean, it's quite, like you said, it must have been quite an honor to do something like that. But were you surprised with how it's made? Or did you go in there thinking, my God, we've got to watch all these programs, we're going to be for hours. Yeah, I had really much idea.

Yeah, but it kind of made sense because you just comment on the bits you see and they pick good, good extracts. So it's, you know, like the basic things and stuff like that, you know, the classic things. The only thing is when you watch it back and then they have someone else do a particular line, you think, oh, no, I had a great line. My life is not good than that kind of stuff.

So it's really kind of stressful watching it because you kind of think, well, that was my best line and they haven't used that one. They've used, you know, so and so, so it's quite difficult. Quite critical when you watch yourself back on this country. A little bit.

Yeah, I kind of actually the stuff in the third zero, I kind of thought, you know, I thought I did better than when I watched it. But, you know, I think you're always critical. I think when you're starting to be really happy with your performance, you know, then I think maybe you need tons of worry. I think you always think, oh, I've done that, or, you know, you're always actually just looking at the lot thinking about the lines they've cut, they cut, which is an actual, oh, do you think, oh, I'm going to have to cut that line or that bit, you know, the classic thing that I've seen in the series two, you know, but something had to go and it was, you know, something that it didn't actually, it was nothing to do with the plot, you know, so, so it went, you know, because there were other scenes that were, and that was a great movie, filled all night and some brilliant stuff after we left to go to the, me and Jimmy Dangrives leave, to go to the social club, there's a whole lot of stuff with Charlie and getting chucked out and big drunk and singing through a traffic and there's a whole load of other stuff going on outside, you know, so that stuff has to be cut.

You had to wear a wig for the video scene as well, from the year 2000. Yeah, I look like a kind of Dutch and a porn star, really. In Canada, yeah, and all that, you know, you have to go to London and top them and go and be fitted for a wig, there's so much kind of all that that goes into it, the detail from, you know, the props department and the makeup department are just extraordinary. So yeah, the ladies, those who's fantastic, and yeah, kind of go up and that's the kind of day, you know, doing wigs and going round different places in London, right, with a car, you know, trying to park and, you know, central London, trying to get wigs kind of fitted.

So yeah, there's an awful lot goes into Emily Glessa, you know, where with me she's a diamond, she's superb, you know, all the cast, all the crew and that's fantastic on that show. You know, big disappointment, you know, when it's, you know, it will finish, it will go to separate. Very odd, very odd feeling. So now you've got this acting bug pool, is there a role that you would like to have a go at?

I'd like to do a serious role, you know, kind of drama, I'd love to do something, you know, something like that. So I can just take a couple of little ions in, you know, ions in fires and stuff and I, you know, so we'll see when it comes. Talking of your acting, there's the video of you doing, like an audition for Daisy that found its way online, didn't it? So it looks like you were having fun, but it looked like Daisy was having a little bit more fun trying to guide you through this audition.

I think the people I was doing with saw it and I never got a job. We could take it the best, which we weren't. It was just Daisy just thought I was so bad at it, you know. So yes, the trouble, you've got to have someone reading, reading the lines for you, you know.

And who do I go to? Daisy just laughed, like, well, all the family just going to laugh. Just they can't take me seriously, be perfectly honest. What even your brother?

Well, he lives in London. So, you know, it's true. They won't be laughing when you pick up the BAFTA for Best Actor, will they? They won't be laughing then.

No, I noticed on NME.com today that they are calling for Daisy to get a knighthood because of all of her Instagram stuff that has helped the country through all of the stuff that's happened over the last few months. As her dad, are you sort of proud when you see her dancing away, swinging everything around to whatever kind of EastEnders or I'm a celebrity get me out of here or do you just sort of shake your head? I think well, that's just Daisy. Yeah, we see every day.

But I think people are really, you know, people are kind of saying it's helping them and give them a bit of a laugh each day. And that's what it's about. Yeah, the whole sea captain thing was like the story of lockdown. It was like a soap opera every day.

You would jump on Instagram to find out what was going on with this sea captain and who he was two time in Daisy with today. I mean, I don't normally troll things like Instagram, but I was transfix. I couldn't stop looking to see what was going on. Yeah, I mean virtually now every kind of oh she puts up now.

It's kind of in the papers the next day. Yeah, it is absolutely crazy. So yeah, and she came late to the social media. She wasn't on the, you know, Charlie, it was one on Instagram and she wasn't really her company.

And now I can't keep her off. Well, she seems to have embraced it a lot more. She thinks she went on it. I don't know when it was maybe last year or the year before.

And then she came off it quite quickly, didn't she? Because she didn't seem to sort of be able to grasp it. But she's definitely grasped it with both hands now. And it's like a must see for almost every celebrity that's like there as well.

Yeah, yeah. Well, she's so kind of spontaneous and you know, it makes stuff up. It was, you know, drop of a hat. And I think lockdown and stuff.

It was just just trying to make her laugh herself and other people laugh and just keep it going. And then you get people kind of supporting it. And you want to keep them happy and keep it going? Even starting hashtags as well.

What can you fit under your tits and stuff? I mean, you know, she's a trail that's really funny ones and stuff. But there was extraordinary records must have been updated every day. I would have thought I think so.

But we asked for a few fans to send some questions in. I think you might have seen a couple of these online anyway, but we're going to fire through some of these. Darren Brane said, what would you like to happen to Martin in the future? So if there is a Christmas special in 10 years or five years or whenever, what would you like to see Martin do?

The way we'd like to see him situated. It sounds really naphtha as I kind of said before. I don't really know. I just don't think about it because it's just nice to be surprised and you open the script up at where he's gone next.

I like it to be someone else's hands to be honest. I think I early on I thought about it. But now it's just you just want to it written for you, you know, because they're great at that. And I don't actually have any thoughts for that really.

Well, you'd want him to be the same. That's what I want. Otherwise, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

That's what he's a dear people to him and God knows why. Sandra's got another couple of kids. That's what it'll be. Yeah, there we go.

Yeah. Yeah. Harry Bluzz says, are the tattoos real? I know he knows he knows he knows he knows he knows he needs to go and listen to the first time he's chatting to you because you do chat about the tattoos.

But anyway, the tattoos, are they real? No, no, they're not. No, I don't have a tattoo on me, I'm trying to have someone said, yeah, they are real, aren't they? You know, and I said, no.

So we're worried about the status quo one. And I said, no, they said, but you like quote, don't you? I said, I'm one since 75, Amazon, a bit drunk and they were all right. And my favorite.

It's just people just get that mucklow character and they just think you're mucklow. I mean, yes, it's and that's why I think we've said it for I don't get anyone ever coming up to it. So rarely. Um, uh, you know, some in Gloucestershire, but I went to Nottingham for three days, uh, last month and every other person I stopped stopping is, uh, I think that's because they don't expect to see you and they're just, there's not so much, there's not so much of a filter up there.

Yeah. You know, they, they, you know, hey, so it's, it's weird. But I think, as I did more reserve, the people just don't, they're always kind of thinking, I'm really a bit shitty if I go out and ask for a selfie or whatever. Like you said earlier, if they come up and ask for a selfie, you could be shitty and they would love it because you're Martin Mucklow.

You know what I mean? If you went fuck off, they go, oh, I'm Martin Mucklow told me to fuck off. Yeah. Well, I tell the story again, I think I've told it on here.

Charlie and I once went to the children and, and, uh, we kind of went our own separate ways and then met up for coffee and he said, oh, some guy came up to me and asked for a selfie and he said, you're, I saw that guy, you played Martin Mucklow earlier and wasn't going to ask that fast. But then, you know, they love you. That's not right. So Laura Borne said, were there any bits that were awkward or embarrassing to film in front of or with your kids?

No, not really. I think the first kind of, the first kind of series, you know, by the by the third series, you know, not all, you know, it's, it's, you know, they got a vision of Martin and it's, I think the tag team tugging was probably big thing. But when you're kind of rehearsing and you're reading anything now, you know, this is, this is, I, makes. Okay, um, at SCI gens 56711, that's a good name, uh, did he, or did he not spend all that money on babe station and is he attracted to the blowholes of dolphins?

Well, yes, yes, both of us. I only write that, she pulled one down state there. And I was going to say you're not talking as Martin Mucklow there. You're talking as boss.

And the last one from Amanda, Amanda, was Martin's character already decided on how much of a bastard he was going to be? Were you allowed to have the freedom to mold into what you interpreted him to be? Does he have no feelings for Kerry whatsoever? No, I mean, the writing and the directing, you know, formatted it really.

I, you know, and the kind of the way the script was. So yeah, I mean, the writing dictated it. And, you know, the notes from kids and the director and the producer, you know, Tom Simon, and having on track really, it's, you know, it's, it's the writing, the great writing, the great direction that made it what it was. It was, you know, so it's, I didn't particularly mold it.

You know, they asked me about the voice. I got the voice right. And then it just follows on from there, really, you know, just the kind of, once you get the voice, then you kind of just get inside the person and then you just, you know, you know, because I haven't done that before, obviously, and then you just start getting the body movements and the way they walk, it just kind of comes almost naturally, really. You just feel who you are.

So there's no, I don't kind of go around walking, like, you know, trying to figure out. And the kids are very much, you know, there's a lot of this stuff where, who was the actor used to kind of go in, so when he did, you know, last month, he can kind of live in the woods for a year. And I'll tell you, it's a very, very, very, very, very much, they just click on and off, you know, you know, they don't kind of, they're not living the roles of getting in the zone. So, you know, I'd be worried if you took that, it took that direction, if you were going to do that for Martin Muclow, I'd be very worried for Jilov and everybody around.

Yeah, I'm just being a character officer, he's on the cold heart, I think, with six thousand eicens in the back of a trance. The other thing we want to congratulate you for is your team's name in the Premier League. Yeah. How much of a surprise was that?

I mean, before lockdown, I'm sure that was something that you didn't even think was going to be on the radar. Did you or as a fan, did you think you got a chance? It's full on, by the way. No, massive surprise.

And then we lost the first two games against Brentford, who are rivals, of course, we played in the final, and then against League, so we kind of, you know, we played Tom to three nailers on them. And so we just thought, oh, this is really bad. But they just, they just seem to kind of build and bit, obviously, mentally, they just seem to cut build and build from there. And by the final, we always, always lose the Brentford.

And I just thought, Oh God, you know, anyone but Brentford in the final, we lose. But they've done their homework. They were great in that final. Trump is no one like the premiership.

So everyone's going, yeah, brilliant. They think, now we're in the premiership championship is the best league in the world. Second to none. Because everyone beats everyone and there's always a chance.

Whereas the premiership is boring. So do you think that, yeah, do you think that Fulham are going to have the same approach as they did when they were there two years ago? Or do you think they're going to maybe be a bit more cautious? Is it welcome to the football park?

That's a funny thing. The last manager was superb. We loved him in the style of football was wonderful, Slaby, sir. But, you know, when we went out, we were so open.

We've bought too many players. We were so open, you know, people just carved us up. But Scott Parker is a lot more pragmatic. And I actually think we might stay up.

But I think after a couple of seasons, we'll probably be so bored. We'll be loving going back in the championship, which is fun. Love it. More games, honest, no VAR.

Everyone beats, you know, everyone else. Just a great, great division. So how did you celebrate, Paul? I was watching with Charlie that he actually filmed a bit, which we can't show them.

So I went to Charlie and we just went absolutely mental because we kind of went in it, dreading it, really, dreading the game, thinking, oh God, you know, because, you know, there's this second AD on this country is, I think Brentford fan is always, you know, who's like, it's too nearly texting, you know, given his large and whatever. And we would have never heard the last of it. So I'm just so glad, just for that reason, you know, the premise is you should have texted him straight back when he did it. Well, I didn't he texted in first saying, this is Colin, by the way, if you're watching his album, so he kind of said, yeah, well, congratulations, but it wasn't an awful game.

No, it was a brilliant game. I left behind you and we got two break calls. I mean, we remember, we remember, Colin, because we had Colin and Matt the first AD in the shed, and Colin very kindly put it in the corner of my garden. Yeah, which was, I mean, it could have been a lot worse.

I mean, it could have been a lot worse. I mean, Brentford lost their chance to win promotion than anybody winning it because they, they were a game away, weren't they, from winning? And they just couldn't get over the line. It was incredible.

It went like seven, eight games, winning every game, and then they just lost when they needed to win. Yeah, I mean, there's some funny teams he's bouncing. I don't think they get ready. I think they just survived.

They just survived. Yeah. Yeah. But we saw them at home just before lockdown, and they beat us three nil.

As he destroyed us, I knew, you know, just for the odd game, they're really up for it. So I thought they'd have troubles there. But yeah, they kind of just, I mean, they've always bottled it in the playoffs, you know, there's just something, they're a terrificly run club. I don't think they're the best run club in the country in some respects, you know, because they always get players from lower divisions and, you know, managers.

So they always sell their manager, sell all their best players, and then they come out even better. So the system they've got there is superb, you know, I get them credit to that. I think they play some very good football, but not, not when it mattered. Right.

So would you like to tell everybody where they can get, if they wanted to get Martin Mucklow to send them a message? Have you got this? Is there a website on that? I don't know.

I do know, I don't actually have a link. I think it's called, let me have a look. Because if not, we will put the link in the show notes anyway, so that people are able to... Yes, so that's the...

Right, there you go. Yeah, I can't. Connect video or something. Next.

Oh, I don't know. I'll find it. You'll be fine. You need to get someone working on your...

There you go. I'm down and down and down and down from Martin Mucklow. I'm between the... I'm across the workload, well, the guy was blue pizza and I'm on the bottom coronation street 15 years ago.

The cross-eyed bloke from Bloompea. Quite a good looking, but I'm sorry. It's always a great question. Tim Vincent.

Tim Vincent. I don't even know if it's like... Right, Tim. It's a really nice bloke.

Oh, it's a kind of stable. And Alex Leakins and Baptiste got me onto it. I think I'm just above him. We're kind of, you know, bottom mid-sable first division probably.

That's good. That's a good place to be. Whether that room for improvement to push into the European places. Yeah, that's right.

Yeah, we might get promotion next to him. If we're on a purpose dies, you know, huge plane crash, you know. The next video message I've put on for the top 30 or 50 people, then we might be in a chance of promotion. Yeah, and if you get that BAFTA nomination, then you can double your price and you'll shoot at the table.

Well, that's it. In this not yet written... Well, perhaps I'll be the new Bond. Oh, yeah, I'll look for that.

I would go to a Covid cinema to just watch that with my mask on. Exactly. My name's Mucklow. I'm throwing my sharp and bowler hand to the ring.

So I think that would be what's this. That's a winner. It writes itself. That's all I got to say.

It writes itself. That's a few of the tucks with your Bicky Out pool. Bicky Out, yeah. Well, Paul, thank you so much for spending some time with us.

Well, that's what we want to see now. Do a get Daisy to do a video of you just doing like the walk where you walk and then you turn and you shoot. And then just a few... My name's Bond, James Bond.

And let's see how it goes. That's what I think you should do. Well, no doubt when I do myself take, she'll be doing it and ruin my chance of laughing. You're no Bond.

Don't listen to them. I think you'll be a great Bond. I really do. I think, you know, like you say, do like Bond next generation where it's an older Bond, passing it on to a younger guy.

Yeah. You've got that, you've got that Sean Connery look about. Yeah. I know that feeling, mate.

So there you go. Neil just looks like the Milky Bar kid. And they're on me. Well, the actual fact.

Indeed. Paul, thank you so much for the second time. As I've said with all of the returning cast, we just want to thank you for everything you've done in regards to the show, and how much joy and happiness you've brought to everybody, but especially to us, you've given us a chance to do this. You've been very, very supportive to us with the live shows and all the other things that we've got.

And I think that's a great thing to do. And I think that we're going to be a great audience. And I think that's a great thing to do. And I think that's a great thing to do.

And I think that's a great thing to do. Very, very supportive to us with the live shows and all the other things that we've done. So we just want to thank you so much for your support, for what we've done, for doing what you've done, and just for making the world a happier place by being a completely big ass shit out. That's all I can say.

Well, thank you guys for keeping this country flame alive. So thank you. Well, we will try and flog it as much as we can and get as many episodes as we can. If the American show goes, I mean, we'll be going on for like two every three hundred episodes.

So is there anything in regards to the American show? I think they've stopped because of COVID again. I think they've done some of half a pilot, I think. So I'm not quite sure where they are with it.

Yeah. Right. I think it was due to fly over in May, I think to watch it and I've meetings, but it couldn't go over the again. Yeah, yeah.

And in regards, obviously last week, I think as we record in this, there were reports that Daisy and Charlie were working on something else. Did they ever confide in you in regards to what they're working on? Or do they keep that quiet from you? No, I don't know a bit about it, but yeah, it's going to be different.

It's going to be great. Yeah. And a lot for you. That's all I'm saying.

OK. Well, that's all we want you to say. We want to be surprised like everybody else. Paul, thank you.

It'll be different from this country. That's the show. OK. That's good, then.

Thank you very much for joining us, Paul. Thank you guys. Take care and stay safe. Neil, would you like to do you a little bit?

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