#146 - Casey Neistat

Hello, Super Trooper Nation! I am your Grandmaster of the Super Trooper Army. Ethan Klein with me, my beautiful co-host, Ela Klein, my two co-host, Shredder and Alfredo. Alfredo about it.

Today we have the legendary Casey Neistat with us, the Grandmaster Vlogger, Innovator and Entrepreneur Workshop organizer. He's got a crazy workshop that people really like. Professional Runner? Runner?

The guy runs a lot. He's forced to compensate, but not retarded. You can't say, you cannot say that word. Why not, Ela?

It's the... it's the R word. It's the R word. Yeah.

Let's see. Before we bring Casey in, he is awaiting backstage on the Gatsby, which is really exciting. But before we bring him in, I want to announce that the new collection is dropped today at TeddyFresh.com. Lots of good stuff.

There's a huge collection, guys. It's so fun. Here, take a look at the screen. I'm going to blast through this really fast.

Ela, you talk about it. The Z-Papuri Color Block, Nidhag, Tye-Dye. That Tye-Dye. Color Block, who did it?

New Colors? White? Whoa, whoa, whoa, let me find out. We got new beanie colors.

This is probably one of the most exciting releases this year. We saved all the good stuff for Fall, you know? New Windbreaker in two colorways. You've got the...

A coach's jacket for the first time. Yup. Here's one of the new color blocks. That's a T-shirt.

Look at that fucking new break. Get out of here with that shit. T-shirt. There's so much.

There's so many other new color blocks. Look at those. Fall colors, baby. That's how we got to do it.

There's another Z-Papuri. I'm going to go faster. Color block. Z-Pap.

I like the color block. I like the color block. I'm going another colorway. Oh my god.

Need a hug. Okay. There's so many. This is the polo that I'm wearing.

I love this shirt. Look at the colors of that polo. It's fucking cool. Look at all the products.

Okay, we're done. This is such an awful beginning to this happens. Well, we got it. We got it.

We got it. We got it. Always be a chem. Always be a plugging.

Always be a plugging. Well, with that being said, now that I've dropped the R-bomb, F-bomb, and had the worst intro possible to our podcast here with Casey, let's bring him Casey. Hopefully he can make this a little bit better. I'm going to go further ado.

I welcome Mr. Casey Neistat to the show. Casey, that's your cue, baby. Oh, hit him with the...

Oh, you see Dan? What's going on? Oh, there you go. That's what I was afraid was going to happen, Dan.

You basically just... Oh my god. Oh my god. Jesus.

Oh, man. It's such a disaster. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I do.

Just leave it there. Dan, that's what I'm talking about. Oh, no. I'm talking to says Dan.

I have more tater. Dan, did you guys get to be here? I just feel welcome to the A-Street Podcast. I really appreciate the whole entrance situation.

Well, it's supposed to be taped down more, I apologize. It just came up like a flap at a deli, but it's supposed to explode. Dan, that's what I was afraid of. You gotta tape the sides.

You know, I'm not, I don't want to throw anybody under the box or anything, but throw anyone under the gatsby. Maybe it's time for Dan to... Oh, well, what? No offense, Dan.

You did a great job. Besides that. Casey's here. I've got some of you.

I've got some of you. You do that taping. Are you telling that you're drinking is this hot cocoa or pumpkin something? It's definitely not pumpkin It's this is a soy milk latte with some chocolate What no, I don't do dairy you don't do any dairy.

Are you left? Oh intolerant mm-hmm you just don't fuck with air. I don't fuck with you. Are you vegan to suck on a cowtat?

I am vegan. You are yeah, yeah, I believe it since when but you're so jacked. I'm like one of those Jack vegan dudes. That's cool Okay, first of all, okay, I didn't think I didn't think our sponsors look put your block and no which are box Oh my god, what's your block?

No, no box. Oh, it says block of my document. We got a retake the steps. Oh my god.

What's your block box right Dan? What's your box box box? What's your box and bomb bass? Sock company and take fresh course now you're one of these Jack vegans, but you're you run a lot when you're Jack So are you doing push-ups and stuffs and all that shit are you doing weights like why is this part of the plug?

Are we still are we still doing? Don't kill the dogs Okay, all right, Dan is slowly back in the gasps You know just thinking out loud here. Yeah, if the picture of the guest was printed on maybe a thinner I know that's what it was your car. I'm here for that paper.

We've done all those That is exactly what we did last time is rolling Ever that's exactly what we did last time. I don't know why these guys show up with the canvas print out not on the bottom of choosing it's also terrifying for the viewers at home your Gatsby has no breaks. Yeah, and between the threshold of the door where I have to have a member to break through my canvas picture There's like 72 inches tops Where you're at cameras and five. Yeah, so this is a high-risk maneuver But you know, but that's the mobility spirit.

That's the spirit When you get a mobility scooter you like you drive through an escalator you have a Later you want to see I can't show you Yeah, that sounds horrible. Was it an accident or was it so we do a loop? No, it's hilarious. Oh, okay, okay, but he does die.

No, no He does he believe you Well, anyway, he got he misses the elevator and he's like Trying keeps ramming it when it's clearly left and then he just kind of like disappeared and then opens and he disappeared Open he forces way through it literally died. Yeah Metal that is so metal I'll show you off the air because I don't think I can show people dying. Yeah, that's heavy. Also, where we talk to you sit up some push-ups and how Why so jacked?

Well, um, actually I've broke my collarbone like a month ago So I've been a month of nothing but stagnation just trying to sit around eating stuff waiting to get healed Really? How'd that happen? I was on like a one of my motorized one of my many motorized vehicles and had a little bit of goof and landed on the old collarbone interesting cycle No, no, it's like a it's like a one wheel one wheel It's like a thing one wheels are amazing. I highly recommend Pay attention.

I wasn't wearing pads more was I paying attention and it went to a pothole kind of thing just oh no So you were on like a boosted board one wheel. Yeah, it's like a balance board You're kind of qualified not for a disability mobility, you know Be on your I should be permanently on the gat. I'm gonna show you guys just for dramatic purposes I'll show you an x-ray of what my shoulder looks like because I'm expecting some real a really strong response to this It is rather dramatic You were going fast presumably I was going too fast to run out You know like you're really fast to be like falling just run out was run too fast. You tried to run out I hate I didn't try to run out.

It was just like trying to okay So that's looking at a human shoulder right there and then cool right sick That's the that's the human shoulder right there, and then that's it that's a Great yeah, can you see that? Yeah, yeah Break the break the broken collarbone looks like that's that's what it looks right now. Yeah, fuck up And how do you treat you just wait yeah, okay? Well if you want to get into the nuts and bolts of it It can be screwed back together But you got your sternum here which protects your heart and you got your actual shoulder Which has all these little parts in it to keep it working this collarbone sort of a fuse so trauma here And trauma here breaks this be fact checking right now.

Yes, okay So trauma here trauma here breaks this so if you have a lot of metal there and you're active like I am and you take a big Fall you that metal just gonna wreck your collarbone or you're gonna break something far worse so you just sort of let it be Oh really so it's gonna be all the form of the door. That's okay, and are you able? I know you just had a baby to relatively really Right, yeah, are you able to hold I can hold her the only that stuff is like when my older kick him running out me string Wow, that's really a that's a big injury for you. Yeah, it happens not to me Have a run my life even you gotta you gotta just ride more electric vehicles The beauty of the gas fees that other people's bones break not yours.

I'm not sure anybody's can get hurt on the gas I think it was pretty outfit for safety unless you go through I'm fine later door I'm fine. I'm fine. You hit other people are fine. I see what you're saying.

I'm gonna stop cursing I said today. Yeah, we said no Carson and look at me. I'm open up and I open with our bomb. Do you think that's okay?

No, it's not okay. I'm okay. I like hard on with our ball Yeah, talking about kids you guys have a time you deal with your children when they swear oh, it's really easy when like a little kid Just yells out like a swear word. You just they don't say that but when they use it perfectly With actual and different size I was with my daughter at like the grocery store And we're trying to pay and everyone registered and there's a million people and they have like a self-checkup and always there to help My own lights are going and we're just trying to get out of there So just bought our food and she looked at me and she goes this place is a shit Wow You're absolutely really badass, you know because I'm a person perfect you say I'm courage That's what it does it do you have a policy to do like curse in front of her or do you not curse strictly?

No, I'm trying not to curse in front of your kid. Yeah, but more importantly is you try to teach them when it's appropriate When it's not appropriate. Oh, and the older kids very good with that little and because we told him that when it sounds really bad When kids say he understood that he can't realize that but Francine's she's not down with that Got my words. I know what they need to be used.

Well our son doesn't understand words yet Yeah, they will come a time in the near future where how we face with I know yeah existential issues Yeah, but I really am trying to stop cursing and from here on out you will not hear not even wand retard Did you appreciate that although the way you just said that you removed the context and it would have You guys listen to remember when Howard Stern went from FM to yeah, I listen It's a great show, but it's always in the great show when he went from not being allowed to swear to swearing At first it was not it was a great disservice to his show really just like because everybody could swear Swear and I remember when Howard put the kibosh on it. It was like guys. No more swearing. No more swearing If you use it too much it loses it You need that restriction to be correct.

I love Jerry Seinfeld's approach. He thinks that It's basically like the easy way if you can do the same without swearing better Yeah, I'm a big world history buff and the f-word was used so much in World War one that if officers really wanted to get the attention of the troops they would issue a command without saying fuck in it Because that's when it would be taken seriously because the effort was just a part of every Sentence really I'm really well one. We're one We're one 14-19 everything yeah very serious so let me let me dig in here. Let's go.

Okay. Let's go I want you know, I did not produce the reddit thread for questions for Casey. That's mostly out of fear. That's good There's nothing bad.

I want to ask you you know, I'm gonna go out of order here Did we ever have beef I feel like I don't know that we ever had a direct beef We've ever had beef I mean I made some videos that you guys didn't that you didn't like you were pretty critical of them But when people criticize the work and not you I think it's a really weak person to take that personally Especially because like you kind of a lot of points, you know Like I did something that was which ones are we talking about cuz I like the the Hillary video like I thought you and Phil had really smart critical responses to that I think both of you guys were right I was gonna ask in retrospect looking back on the Hillary vid do you still Stand behind that bit especially everything that's transpired since then you know well I think one I think you asked me that like ran after I made it and you gave me like really you even like really Smart be back. Yeah you because you were like, you know, I voted for Hillary Clinton. That's true Yeah, and so I mean, yeah, like I really think that the way I and this is true for that video Politics and just sort of everything in general. It's like so the hot take is so dangerous Yeah, you let emotions lead instead of letting rational thought lead So I mean if I'm gonna get really into the weeds on that when I look at a video like that Like what was my goal?

My goal was to sort of share my perspective with my audience why I felt that way and hopefully compel them to try to empathize with my perspective okay, that's the goal and Then you back out there like what's the most effective way to accomplish that goal and that's where I think I really made a mistake I don't think my video was effective because it was too I was too like upset and angry and emotional when I made that video and I think those sort of emotions turned people off I think a more effective way would have done it would have done it would have been like to volunteer my perspective Which I didn't that video wrong, but everything I said in that video about how I feel about yeah, the president I still feel that way a lot of those things have really netted out He's kind of been the you know the person that I foresaw him being so I could have been there's a much more effective way to present that Right and I also think like in that effective way of presenting that like and what made it so confident I'm not like a fan of hers. She suck. No one was no one was that's why I think it was so frustrated Yeah, was it wasn't like look here's this amazing candidate that you guys should all know about and here's this other guy who's not good And here's why he's not good. I couldn't say that I'm not defending what I said for the people that don't understand the context case You made a video back during the last election you had basically said vote for for Hillary because It was it was don't vote for Trump.

Yeah, don't and here's why but that wasn't the part they got me in trouble But you had a sense of urgency and I also was really sad emotional emotional It's not really frustrated them with the YouTube community because the community at large like given the pro Trumpers who I respect and I understand I my dad would have for Trump No people who have different political positions and mine, but the pro trumpers were really intimidating leading up to last election I know you mentioned one thing on Twitter you get attacked. That sucks. Oh, that's still true It's still true even just saying like even if I'm like, yeah, I voted for Hillary last which I readily admit to like secret, but yeah People the pro trumpers are yeah, and it's scary. They're the craziest people out there.

Yeah, and I see your point I feel like a lot of youtubers probably including us or feeling like it's better to not take sides because you're gonna divide your Audience yeah, and that felt that was upsetting for me because like I guess I think for a while I think where you were coming from and I can see maybe I'm putting words in my mouth correct me if I'm wrong It's about like you almost is like cowardice in a way because truly the reason that a lot of people I'll a lot of the reason that you don't want to get involved and stuff like that is because you don't want the heat because you know that the people are just so So deadly they're just no not even that but the people that oppose you are really so bitter and they're so relentless And they will try to ruin your life for opposing them So it's like it's a combination of yeah is it worth it even going there, but that's their goal right? It's to make it on work on Yeah, and I think I felt like I felt like that at the time You want you want to be like screw these guys it was more just like look if you if you have an opinion if you don't have opinion I get it No, but if you have an opinion you're scared to share it because you're scared of the repercussions You are doing it to service And I think like the way I just said it right here Just not like that's a diplomatic appropriate way of saying it I think in that video it lacked that kind of diplomacy I really got right about it looking back to you see that as a like a big moment in your career Like how do you perceive it really I mean time it was a big it felt like a big deal right maybe I guess People took me to quite a big thing about it I mean I jumped on that I talked about it I mean a lot of people talked about it. It's the kind of thing that people also move on know Yeah, I mean I guess it also is just like I mean politics is such a divisive thing for it's largely absent I think within the YouTube community except for the political channels for so political on both sides You know I mean like I think Phil DeFranco has like one of the only really kind of fair down the middle like apolitical shows But when you look at like the young Turks or you look at you know the working for war it's they're both super They're really far one side of that actually that's right You kind of have to do because it's like you got to get your people and you've got it like kind of freaked for the choir in that sense I think nobody really Nobody wants to listen to the fair and balanced guy. They want their their views valid They want their they want to be a part of the community and they want to you know what I'm saying?

It's like seeing it. You got seeing and you got Fox News. Yeah, this whole thing with molars or not molar He's he's old news. Yeah, the Ukraine the whistleblower so I'm I intentionally put on I switch between CNN and Fox News Because I do I'm really curious what they're saying about and it's just But it's like that you know, it's just shocking the perception is so different It's so I mean it's like I also my favorite thing to do with Paula with podcast rather is like I'll listen to a really Liberal podcast, you know, like her comedian has some great podcast But then whatever I'm listening to on that I thumb through like then Shapiro and find him talking about the same subject matter And I find that like unless you expose yourself to really extreme some both sides It's hard to get an understanding of what other people think yeah Yeah, and I do want to I do value very much you have to really understand their argument if you're gonna empathize with them And I mean yeah like the abortion thing is something we've talked about here people who who oppose abortion literally think you're murdering a baby What could be worse than that?

It's like so in very in other ways you have to understand how they see because it seems to be like Oh, that's just insane people are crazy. How do they believe that? It's like when you realize that they're saying the portion is murdering a baby and it's like well Yeah, if you think about that way then it's hard to Yeah, we're getting the same risk is when you start to dismiss People who have different opinions from yours because you're like well, they think different so they're just wrong then you move on Like that's not a healthy thing. Yeah, it's an arm though, right?

I think that's scary like getting into talking about the broad implications of like the true Allitarianization or democratization of communication the fact that like everybody has a can have a YouTube channel everybody can say whatever they want on Twitter Everybody can communicate whatever they want to communicate the things that go the furthest are the most polarizing the most divisive Like the more extreme you can be the more impactful your statement and it produces this sort of incentivization around Whether it's extremism or sensationalism that will be taken to its inevitable conclusion. So what that is is scary It's like, you know, who's really good at that is like our president is really Donald Trump is one of like the best I don't know how he can be an unbelievable at how he he's like the the tail that's why the entire dog of the media world of the conversation Like he is unbelievably good at that. Yeah, I agree I agree I'm just falling into line Like he puts out the bait and they run right to the trap It's because they're they want ratings and it's juicy and everybody's here is it's the ball, right? Like dude like I'm I love I'm just fascinated by how he's else I want to see how he's spinning the whistle blowing thing and I just listen to like the New York Times podcast on the way over I'm not perspective I'm listening to Fox News one of the way back, but this seems like a this is like a huge deal Yeah, it seems like a big deal to me like the more you like here I gotta read you this specific tweet.

This is how he phrases it. Do you follow it? Don't drop them? Yeah, of course.

I don't I can't I can't I'm not but this is how he phrases it and this is how his supporters see it too, right? They go This is dead air moment This is worth it though today This is important by the way you live the new Teddy Fresh line looks dope. Thank you. Thank you so much I've been places in ever saw oh That's awesome to hear okay.

I can't I'm panicking I Want to give you guys a bunch of yeah outfit us. It's great. It's so good such a fan even this better be like I have we have seen you supporting the Yang gang. I mean look Andrew Yang.

I think is so fantastic He's like a fresh air right yeah, and it's like you know I think people say to me have said to me things long lines like why are you supporting me doesn't stand a chance of Okay, it's my response that is irrelevant like true I do think you stand a chance, but let's suppose he doesn't stand a chance I still think it's worth elevating him because he's bringing such an idea brilliant perspective to things like he I heard this breakdown of his Universal basic income I did it yeah He calls it freedom did it and I want to do you think it's smart I do support it But beyond the financial implications of it he tied it to about like human dignity and the fact that like when you have nothing you lack That dignity you lack that compassion you lack that understanding and if everybody has just this this bare minimum safety net it will elevate kind of dignity It'll elevate the conversation will elevate and it was such like there's such profundity to that concept the idea that a president Like a presidential candidate could run on something that's that you know It's that like human that about elevating the humans like the way that we all feel yeah I also love how I love that I love that I love how we everything connects when you listen to a solution it connects everything like mental health Mm-hmm. Oh, you know, I love that guy. The career is changing. It's just everything is part of the picture Yeah, it really for me first of all he's definitely the dark horse.

He's only guy raising dude He's not like 8% that should it's insane and seen and and they still don't show they still don't mention him He even Bernie Sanders home a fan of now almost looks his approach Data because Andrew Yang is the only person who is looking actually into the future these guys are trying to address these problems that we're facing now But the next and you Yang is the only one who's saying in 50 years in 20 years, but also it's not even in 20 years Right a lot of it is already happening. He's right. We miss classify a lot of problems We've seen society with for example this stuff. We blame immigrants for that's what he said It's a robot problem not immigrant problem.

Yeah, and nobody else is nobody else even acknowledging that yeah plus his math hat Is such a good like I guess pretty great like make America great again I think it's one of the best kids campaign slogans ever, but I don't Reagan created me America really that's like 30 years old. It's still amazing. He bit that from Reagan Good one, but I think math might be even better. I like that think harder.

It's so virtuous and amazing. Yeah, it is great Yeah, rock the math out lot of people ask. I gotta get that math I gotta get it Yang is a great guy friend of the show. I gotta bring him on again I have to say seeing him on a show like yours shows Kind of understanding of what's needed to reach people Totally like it Bernie Sanders was giving so much credit for going into a Rogan's podcast Which certainly like God bless him was great And I have to say like I'm pretty versed when it comes to politics and I learned about Bernie more from Joe's podcast And maybe anywhere else but Andrew had done it weeks prior And he was on my he was on like six months was he was here before yeah Your show and then when I was still in New York I DMed him and I was like dear Mr.

Yang I wasn't actually I was like Andrew I was like I'd love to do an interview with you like same day text me back It's like great Casey. Would you mind if I connected you with someone? Yeah? It's like And I think that that really demonstrates not just an understanding is like how do you communicate with people like you know I don't know what your demographic is right soon It's younger than CNN's and how important is communicate directly with that audience of where they are he came here with this whole staff And they're very they're young people and they're the kind of people who know who people like we are so I tweeted at him I was like hey, would you like to come on our podcast?

He's got people to say he's got good people to say this is important. Yeah, by the way he deleted that tweet He deleted the president can't delete tweets That's why I'm not a deleted tweet. Yeah, he said Why the fuck would he delete that what up? But he's kind of a bitch isn't he like just to be honest like he's kind of a whiny bitch do like lately He just winds a lot.

This is what he said. He said Democrats are trying to destroy the one party all stands for fight hard He said Republicans he says Democrats are trying to destroy the Republican Party and all stands for stick together play their game and fight hard Republicans our country's at stake. Why would he delete that? I don't know what it makes you wonder doesn't it?

I mean there's a lot of things he should be deleting if he's looking out for his own more being read and let that this is the kind of rhetoric Where he's like I'm I'm I'm under the microscope for for something really bad We're gonna investigate fun of it's true the whistleblower complaint, but his response is it's a conspiracy We have to stand together. They are trying to destroy our country fight hard. Well, I mean I think the real threat to him here is that If the if the implications or if like if enough comes out of this whistleblower situation where it becomes unequivocal Like there's no you either admit that what he did was wrong or you were wrong like it's that black and white which never happened the Mueller investigation I'm sure just like what did Mueller say like this if he had not committed obstruction of justice. I would have said so It's like does that mean he did it's like I know what he was saying but it was complicated easy to it was easy to argue that like this is all noise Yes, but if this comes out so black and white I think the real fear here in the concern for the president is that like if it's so unequivocal that the Republicans are like okay?

I'm not just gonna just keep playing the violin on the deck of the Titanic here Like I'm not gonna ride this thing down and then they start to come out and be criticized him The whole house of cards could fall quickly But he's already the spin has already he's already ahead of that because he's going the whistle blower is partisan hack he's a spy I Already spinning that narrative to okay, even if the complaint is true I see them saying this to already even if the complaint is true then well All I was doing was trying to investigate Joe Biden's son's corruption. It wasn't about the trying to benefit me I was trying to yeah, that's their Joe Biden's song was doing corrupt things in Ukraine And I was I was just investigating for the good of our country what about isn't this incredibly effective isn't it? You know well people people who are ins people they're in all in on Donald So I mean they'll grab on and hold on I look at my dad and I asked him about something like that And he just cites all like supporting on top and he just cites nothing But what about is him and I I think it's really interesting because it's how just how effective it is and I have to say like You know like during the 2016 campaign he made the whole thing about like what about her what about her what about and it was wildly effective Yeah, it was wildly effective on a situation like this yeah, imagine that's gonna be a course of action And I think you're right it does stand a chance of like yeah I mean he's definitely tough on Don yeah, he's good at that being tough on top too. Yeah, sorry to interrupt but we gotta go to break Okay, thank you Dan.

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I don't miss New York at all except for you to say like I'm mr. New York I miss it being part of my identity like there's something about like New York is so harsh that anyone who lives in New York like Nice. Yeah, you made it for it. Nothing.

You may be like you're going for it. Yeah going It is so hard. There's no living there only serve life. Yeah, so someone's surviving that city It means we're doing it for a reason and that is an admirable thing.

So do you feel more comfortable here in LA? Do you think it's like vacation every single day the life quality there? I live at the beach It's incredible like wake up play with my kids drop them off at school like go surfing go for a hike go home Like it's like it's literally like they came like my father-in-law says that he harbors guilt because the quality of life here is so good He moved here, too Yeah, my so that's the reason like that why we move why we pick LA was Kansas parents moved here a year and a half ago or see love it They all live here. They're all very happy here.

My big brother who has a baby is the same age as my baby He lives here. Yeah, we did you really want to really want to really run we always have family Oh, yeah, and how was Candice doing? How's the family doing in LA? Um?

Good C plus C plus there's problems. There's problems, but like C plus perfectly packing. No, that's a B plus It's a big move. So it's a big change.

She's also a New Yorker. I made it through 10 years How are you how are you? What you're writing about a plus a plus to the point even where no shit I cannot have this conversation with Candice like this morning. We got back to New York last night She's there for work for four days.

I was like even quiet and she's like well I can't tell you how good my trip was and how much I love New York because you're just gonna save me Well, I love LA We do we do I'm sure you're pop up. She's big. Yeah, which means I got on first, but the only thing both lose And as if and so your what your wife is currently breastfeeding, right? No, I thought we were gonna talk about this Oh, we don't breastfeed.

I mean I mean to say like that. Oh, no, she physically my wife physically I'm just trying to that's a swerve. I'm talking about New York and I'm not going to the breastfeeding thing I just wanted to explore why she may be not enjoying the LA lifestyle I like I think there's me re-add reasons what I think she doesn't enjoy aspects of the LA lifestyle in a big way Two and this part of the biggest factor I had a start the last year of my life in New York buttoning things up like I just checked out like no joke My wife literally put me in therapy in New York City because it's having such a hard time being there for last year I was just done. I was like it's host had popped up in the toast for oven I was out especially because we bought our house in Los Angeles a year over a year ago You were just out of that house.

Yeah, so eight months in New York being like freezing my ass off I have this really cool place in Los Angeles that I want to start my new life in yeah And she never did that in fact like sure momentum in New York City was so entrenched in New York City that when we left She just felt like it was and it is like she has a company there with employees and I have 360 I have someone really capable my partner there running it so I have a more distance than she has So there's like there's a whole bunch of those factors and then on top of that a lot of the aspects that I love about LA She just doesn't she doesn't partake in if that makes sense. I mean to be cryptic what I mean It's like in my neighborhood. I have ten friends not weed partake Candice does smoke weed she partakes on the community I mean like I've like a dozen friends that all live in my neighborhood and like we hang out like children We like go to the beach together and yeah, we exercise together and ride bikes together Do you think she's feeling left out a little bit? I think she's feeling left out on the fact that I'm so happy here I'm so excited to be here and she's not and that causes resentment not that she's not I can be friends with her if she wants Because I have no friends like one friend.

I appreciate like I really That's great Great place to start and yeah, I'd appreciate that you just invoicing for it or whatever I can then know But no, but the kids are happy like they really enjoy like that's my daughter went to summer camp That's at the beach. How crazy is that? That's awesome Like the bigger concern was like I can I can handle Candice's stress about this move because it makes sense It's rational. I was really worried about the kids freaking out.

Oh, yeah, and they haven't like my daughter's really You're unbelievable. That's how I feel. I sometimes when I when I'm here And it's like I feel like this is so nice that I start to understand where white privilege comes from because I like Sometimes I feel like oh, that's why privilege like I am I feel so privileged sometimes, you know cuz I'm like I hate that natural state of being really Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm not that kind of person.

I will say like white privilege But I I feel like this is euphoria here I say it a lot because like especially coming from Israel. I don't know it's everything is so nice here Yeah, I'm sure there are people who are living in poverty in shitty places in America, but not here, baby I don't except for the homeless people. Yeah, it's pretty good But no like that what you're talking about I feel like especially since I got here my focus has been finding a footing and like spending time The kids spending time with the family like really embracing the things that I never did in New York And it does show like just how privileged of a life Yeah, like until you like stop the sprint and like you're just saying they're talking about looking around It's hard to realize just how special right and like a word that I use that hard-working successful people don't like to use is lucky Yeah, like fuck that hustle hard work like all of its bullshit luck is 98% of it being at the right place The right time and the two percent is talent and hard work and all that other stuff like come on I really don't know how I feel but I can't do percent. Okay, I'll go three percent I won't go I make fucking cool YouTube video and that warrants it's the same life that I have no No one can make your video.

I appreciate it. I know everyone also you're like you're psycho bro And I mean that's complimented you posted a video every day for 800 days I mean that's not luck That's like you literally I would imagine the thing that I thought when I was watching your vlogs like for 800 days in a row It's like this guy doesn't see his family probably well That was the truth, right? But so you have you ever met like a have you ever met like a coal miner or construction worker who's worked OT 800 days in a row because they exist Have I ever met a coal miner? Yeah, no, I don't know either I do know that coal miners work way fucking harder than a vlogger.

That's okay for a podcast They don't get to live these ridiculous lives that we get to live in New York and LA and that's it But you you did start a whole new genre. Well, I appreciate I appreciate all of it popularized. Let's say right popularized Would you say you started it or popularized it? No, I don't know legacy is a funny thing.

I'll say started for you because you don't want to say it for yourself I'll say it for you know, I will say that like I think a lot of the initial success of my YouTube vlog Was the fact that people hadn't seen anything that looked or felt like that before and and so frequently With such a success the other part. Yeah, like if you remember back to vlogging which was still like a strange word people You know that work now just means youtuber but vlogging in 2014 2015 was literally like a couple of people who live interesting lives and shared it via a point-and-shoot camera But it was very linearly linear and very literal. This is what I'm doing right now follow along with me Right, and my approach was never that it was always like okay 24 hours of such a long amount of time I know I can pull five to ten minutes of rich interestingness from that to share so it's like fundamentally it approach I think that's what when people like yourself you let generously credit me with starting something new I think that that approach was really fresh on the platform and that approach has been really widely adopted But I think that if I didn't do it then somebody else would have I don't think there's anything particularly revolutionary about that I just think it was sort of an evolution of the process and I think I think I'm right place on right now getting back to luck Yeah, like if I did my vlog now, but that's not 3% the luck He doesn't believe it's 3% I do you're coming from the dude that runs 15 hours a day and used to work 2020 you would go to USA it's a stopwatch when I Did a stopwatch like all right Like the most fuck that thing I've ever heard in my life I had to get that I had to get the work done Yeah, your day is not 24 hours like 48 Okay, okay, no no no no no 3% you know I do I do Jerry Seiffel doesn't believe in luck and I'm Follow Jerry Seiffel okay, you just got I mean if you wanted to keep a day as you can no I don't I don't ask but I am fascinated now that I've got you here I can tell and you've just told me I do wonder about like the amount of work you put in your dedication to your job at the time How that did affect your family and your home life and and essentially? The consequences of working so much I mean I've affected it tremendously and I think that the working so much was Only a small part of it I think a bigger part of it was the fact that you know my family was such a big part of the vlog for so long Like when my older daughter now turned one or like 11 months We stopped putting her in any videos in any social media The first time when she turned one was when the vlog was like four or five months old and I realized that like well There's an audience here people are watching this I don't want to put my kids out there in this capacity anymore I stopped putting them out there, but even so that aside no matter relationship with my wife was a big part of the narrative my relationship With my kids as far as me being a father was a big part of it Yeah, and I think the social implications of that were as impactful if not more than The sheer hours I was working and the implications of that were things like if Candice and I weren't in a good place with our marriage There's no fucking way she was gonna like be chipper when I pointed to camera her and by chipper I mean willing in any capacity.

I mean anything but her putting her hand over the lens saying turn that fucking thing off So I you know I used to like avoid fights with her avoid arguments with her I very very deliberately used to quell any disagreements we'd have because I needed her for content. Yeah, and looking back on live Crazy what a crazy thing that is. Yeah, it's like I'm disturbing the the way that the world should work because I need content Yeah, and I don't think that I'm like a particularly like maniacal person But it does make me stop and think when I see much more invasive family vloggers I don't mean this as a judgment. I mean this is a genuine curiosity But people who rely so much on their children who aren't babies but are four or five six seven eight years old They rely on them for content.

I was trying to rely on my wife who's my age And I could feel the burden I was putting on her I have the same thoughts and Yeah, I don't necessarily want to like call out anyone or make them look bad But it feels wrong to me to rely on a child even even if it seems like the child wants to be involved and it's fun They just don't know yet the full picture like an adult no The eb family yeah, exactly that's right. We're familiar with them. Yeah, and they're really nice I love you. I love those I think they're doing everything right is where I'm going with them And this is a huge priority of theirs and we've had this discussion before and they go to a really extreme place Which is like what are the labor laws about putting your kids in videos like what?

How do you quantify the value that they're bringing to the content? Are there is that value going back to them? They're all about the point is that there's nothing looking at and then these Revenue being generated because these children are creating content. Where's that money go?

Is it parents are keeping that or is it kid? I think these are all really smart questions that can be asked without pointing fingers But just to bring it back to what you're asking Ethan is it was just like only I was aware of it at the time But only in retrospect I look back and it's like wow the destructiveness of that on my own marriage and relationship was profound And I talked to my wife out now and she says with no clarification She was like you have no not to me because I did know but she says publicly She's like you have no idea how close to divorce we were Because it was like when I wasn't superficially being nice to get her to behave to be in my videos I was working as just working right and that that that in itself that's much more objective And how did it affect relationship with your son too because your son Your age different is very small. What's the age difference between you say like 16 years? Yeah, almost the same age is which is so crazy every time I see you guys together I mean you guys must have a really unique relationship for that purpose But I seen videos of you kind of like celebrating his birthday or something or vlogging their experience that he also feel the brunt of that Well, it was it's always been easier with Owen because he's old and even like you go way back You look at like my HBO show and you go back and look at my really old content that he's in He's always old enough to sort of consent and sign off So like you know I think of some of the more he went to college when I was about I think a year into the blog a little more than that And when you know you sort of look at that content He'd not drive across country drop them off at school There's always kind of a discussion like you want to make videos you mind if I make videos about the stuff You want to be in them?

Do you not want me to and he could always give me a very thoughtful response? Which I think without accepting was always like yeah, let's make videos. Did he ever say no? Oh, one's never said no in fact recently and this both made me sad and I'm really proud recently He's like we take a trip together because we haven't made a video together in a really long time It made me sad I haven't made a video together a long time but it also made me like it was the first time They really sort of showed me unprovoked that he's not just doing this you can see supposed to I just think things I want him to do it But it's something that he does like yeah, and like it's very different from like Francine my daughter now being like I want to be on YouTube which she says that's me That's me though now.

She's poor. She's the reason why is because like she watches JoJo Siwa. God bless her I love JoJo. And she's like I can do that and she could and she wants to do it Which is ironic because we don't have to do that.

I'm from me. It's like a hard no until she's like 18 It's just because I know that she has no idea It's so I wrote all 34 whatever 35 and I start really putting myself out there on YouTube I had no idea it meant so how can a child have any understanding of her even JoJo who I adore and I never take an Opportunity I never miss an opportunity to say how much I appreciate her and genuinely do she's an amazing person like the burden That's on her and their criticism that she gets for who she is like for being 15 years old deal that they handle that And if you can touch you but this objective kid did that seems really I wonder about the kind of The the effect that that being a youtuber has on you psychologically Which is something that everyone at this table has been through I think I think me and you particular have have gone through a lot Psychologically from I know I have I think I can hear obviously you have to break me where I'm wrong, but there is such a There's such a I want to say like stress Damages kind of subjective, but there's a lot of like pressure on on your self identity and you really put everything you think of yourself and an enormous pressure cooker and It's breaks a lot of people it's broken me several times and Like I haven't posted on a straight productions a while. We're doing this podcast now. You haven't posted on your channel in a long time You know, I wonder what your thoughts are about that what it's like it doesn't seem to exist so intensely and other mediums of entertainment and video production, but this whole thing about creator burnout is Related I think to it and you do see a lot of turnover of youtubers to you see a lot of youtubers coming up and going out It's just it's people can't possibly understand The enormous you know the enormity of pressure that you undergo when you put yourself out there like that Yeah, and I think that one I think it's so new everything you just said is right But I think that it is exasperated by the fact that it's so new This is never like we've had movie stars and actresses for almost a hundred years You know you look back in 1919 like and right when talkies were starting to come up movie stars and movie stars and they were famous And there's some understanding of that But this is so new where your own fame your own notoriety or own success financial and otherwise is all within your soul control For the most part compared to traditional mediums traditional entertainment mediums So like yeah, you're not just burdened with like your physical presence because you don't have a publicist You don't have a PR person.

You're physically putting yourself out there literally putting yourself out there every day But you're also consumed with the burden of the actual production not showing up on a set when you get a call sheet This is your operation that we're sitting in your studio right now And you guys pay rent in the studio you pay everybody's salary that works out of your space So I think like the burdens are holistic and that's never existed before in this medium You're an actor and you act you're a director and you direct you want a studio and you want a studio But this is some sort of an amalgam of every aspect of the world of entertainment tied into one And then that amalgam that amalgamation is is distributed via global network that can be reached by more people than any television I was ever access to so when you look at it in those sort of extreme, but literal terms They of course fucking 20 year olds and 18 year olds of put themselves out there are gonna are gonna crack or gonna buckle under this sort of pressure Right, and I think that I'm an interesting case study next I did work in the traditional facets of media for a dozen years Plus before I jumped into this world So I have some understanding of what the more traditional elements are like and then I have a really good understanding about this world It's like and yeah, and the burden is is wild. It's wild and it's I think it's underappreciated in a way that Remember Justin Bieber came out a couple years ago and says not doing meet and greets anymore I don't know Justin fell so proud of him. He's so eloquent in the way he communicated that he's matured a lot Yeah, it's like the way he said he's something like it's not meaningful for the fan to meet me for one second It's not meaningful for me, but it stresses me out and it's very burdensome and I mean there's a lot of money by not doing it I'm not gonna be he was like he was scrutinized for that He was chastised for that his fans called him. It's like we do everything we give you your career And this is all we want you won't give it to us.

I thought he was so right I thought he was so perfect in that in the way he dealt with that the main great So top we just came from one in New York and the line was so long and we we want to make it a meaningful moment You know so we actually take a few minutes to talk to each one and really you know Give them like an interaction But then turn on and then we feel back and then yeah, and then we felt back because by the time we left the line was still the same size You know five hours and it's a tough like I don't know how you do it right But I think doing that constantly would just feel really bad. I think there is a way to do it Right, I don't I don't do it I've done it before and now like a lot of public speaking things like that It's always in the contract like Casey is to do a VIP meet and greet with a different people and like bring me It's a hard note. I'll lose a very valuable job over that because I've also gotten like crazy as I'm sure you guys have like You get paranoid. I really hear about this stuff like did we head at our meet and greet?

We have like armed guards five armed guards. We do this. I don't fucking I'm You definitely get paranoid. Yeah, it's like you're paranoid about safety But then like there's psychological other aspects like emotional paranoia where these people want for me What does this one picture need like I need a moment right now to catch my breath and get a breath piece of gun?

Yeah, why is it really my hands are dirty other germs on my hand? It's like shake you start to go crazy You start to go crazy start to go breathing on you and you smell them like that degree of intimacy with strangers who know you Yeah, like you're doing 300 people yeah, 90 minutes all the shit's going through your head. I crack I won't do it and greet are in time. I do avoid doing they're very there for the record Everyone who was there is very wholesome.

It's nice to see up close people tell you that you're working That that is very impactful me, but I think we've only done three in our career It's very so It's a lot I can stand on a stage in front of three thousand people and be cool They can't come for super comfortable give me a talk I'm moving a million people might say super comfortable that the minute I step off that stage and people who are shaking my hand I start to panic panic and it's true like in every aspect of my life I don't remember always being like that I never remember having this sort of anxiety I don't go out at all about the dinners. Let's catch up with sort of this party get invited I don't do any of that stuff and I don't think I ever had that before I think it's a big I need to yeah because before nobody Nobody cares about you nobody cares about you and that's a very comforting thing I'm going to say hi and you're not worried about who's noticing you. Yeah. Yeah, very very conscious of everything when you're on public, you know But you brought this up Ethan you said you brought this up and I responded by saying this is such a new phenomenon Yes, so I was drone jar former biggest a finder on the planet amazing drone jar He is one of the like most incredible people I've ever met he dropped his entire very valuable social media career to become a Another person he's been a Bangladesh for last year helping the Rohingya's were being persecuted like he's an unbelievable individual And we're my house and he's like tell me about what it was like living in Bangladesh where it was like essentially living as a refugee and helping these refugees And I'm staring at him I'm sort of drifting off thinking back to like my friend Jerome five years ago used to make the goofiest Vines and and then I think about like Nash career Nash career great guy Like he and I've been texting he's having a baby right now if he didn't already have it like he's grown up and all stuff And I'm thinking back like Nash was this teenager on vine?

He's two silly things and girls love him so cute And I thought about the fact that like we're just starting to see the first generation of youtubers that dominated and they're starting to fade away And what happens to them now but vine we absolutely have a generation of these social media superstars vineers who are no longer And like what's happening to them now and understanding the psychology of that and we all have movie stars from like the 90s that were huge That kind of went away then we can look at their lives now But we've never had that in the world of social media and that to me is fantastically interesting Yeah, the question that I think about too is like these movie stars that are no longer fit They probably made enough money to the fact forever social media people not necessarily If you make a couple million bucks and then and then you then your career is over for whatever reason That's not enough especially if you make that money when you're young and it feels like an amount of it and also it's not not that many social media stars have made a couple million Right and that's a lot that's even a lot. That's a lot. I mean it's more like you're getting $10,000 brand deals once you're twice a month Which is an ungodly amount of money. Yeah, and you're that's more than my parents have ever made and it's more than their parents And you're like shit.

This is incredible. I can live for rich. Yeah, and then when it sort of dries up What do you do? So I think you know what you do you become Mario Lopez.

You've seen that guy incredible career Incredible as is on like every info like we were in the hotel and he's doing like the hotel promo You know Mario Lopez from say by the mouth. Yeah, I have some ones I don't know maybe not but the point is like that's amazing. He's really found a career I was at Universal Studios and my kids the other day like he was there like with entertainment tonight or like the whole show He's on but for us. It's not the same no one wants our face on it.

I'm not doing that I cannot I'm not this is it. I've known for the past couple years now. This is it big There's no next like I need to I need to be good for life because after this I'm not gonna be a background brows I can't be a bagger at Ralph's bro, and I'm not gonna do anything else what am I qualified to do Whole Foods? I'm gonna be a whole foods now.

Well, that's very premium. I will say but but you know how much shit I'll get I can't just go Bag shit now like if I want to go you know how much shit I'm gonna get from people shoppers There was a really interesting article a couple years ago. It was about like medium I think they called a middle-class social media stars something like that But it was about a youtuber and she At the time this is years ago She was like I'm not making enough money off of my YouTube channel to not work a day job But I can no longer work in Starbucks because so many people were coming in being like whoa aren't you that YouTube? It was an interesting phenomenon.

Yeah, I've been there. I've been there. I'm not there now Thankfully, but for a long time in our career. We were both Too fame too famous and but not rich enough.

Mm-hmm. There was a crossover there where and now you just famous enough and rich enough Yes, I'm we're fucking I mean we're back. I drove in on the Gatsby. I know 35 hundred bucks we dropped on that that's insane I'm saying dude.

No, I'm rich. Thank you for no I did I did I had I was talking to friend recently who's like struggling a very successful guy, but you know what's it Doesn't know what's next to where he's going and we talked about this idea of like when you find your perfect fit in your career Like what that is and what that means and he was thinking it's like I haven't found it yet and that's frustrating for me and I genuinely And concerns not the right word I think often that like what if that vlog which felt so right to me when I was making it every day for those 800 days Like felt so right was like the ultimate expression for me like what if that was my high watermark? I mean, I don't think I'll be bagging it routes anytime soon, but like yeah I think about that too. Yeah as I sit here.

Well, it was until I wasn't yeah, exactly because you started Obviously your whole family was trying to see the consequences and I was working No, but there's a time and place like I have that feeling too But so I was doing h3 videos and I know that's what people enjoy them people love that and they got lots of views and it's nice But there's just a certain point where I just couldn't do it anymore The format was stale. I was felt uninspired. It didn't feel good was performing well It was always doing well, but like it just it just wasn't working and that's why we've gone all in on the vlog is because Yeah, sorry the podcast This is kind of just a vlog with one camera, right? Yeah, we're time lapses, but I Feel I felt like that time and place at least for the time being was was that was it?

It had its time and place and I was it and I had to go try something new now Which is what this is you peaked at vape nation. Yeah, yeah, dude. Even today the meat great everyone's so they've made Yeah, I don't feel bad. No, you should be proud that you created that and I have the same way about the vlog The looking that's like a little bit difficult to really understanding comprehend is that like that's what your audience sees And that's what they expect like I'm working on something now that couldn't be it's pretty far from the YouTube I'm gonna be trying to feature like documentary and I think it's great.

I think that's real opportunity I'm super excited about it. I don't know. I'm just working right now. Just want to make it great, okay But like is this it gonna be as good as my vlog?

I don't know But I know the audience that love the vlog might not love this you got it You got a few seasons of your life. Yeah, I appreciate that and you're right and that's what I'm doing But it is still a little bit scary like I'm you can't go back you can't do it You're like as a person keep evolving and you can't be the same person that was making that right right? You gotta be like change in your life you change you grow up, you know, yours go and you become a different person The audience is a The thing is you can't you can't you have to try your best not to let the audience take your content because the reason that they like your content The reason they want you to begin with it because it's a genuine expression of yourself That's the best content and so if you you lose some you gain some new ones But ultimately as artists you have to be as true to yourself as possible You have to ignore everything. Yeah, I've done pretty good.

I could say I feel zero pressure for my audience I feel like I'm sure for my audience to be creating content. Where do you feel it right now? Yeah, I mean like financially and I was I want to ask you do you have an income right now? I mean I Don't think I do I mean obviously a passive income I pass it in terms of not just content But also you know I've done I've got my my got my hands in a million projects at all times I do like investing a lot of things.

I think are sort of my long-term opportunity You don't have an active income. I don't have an active income right now. How's that feel fine? It's fine.

I think but how's your baseline? You're still like spending goldy goldy. No, no, no like you're the money you bring in every month fine You're gold. It's okay.

Yeah, I'm in the black. Yeah, but the black. What's the black? You would think that it would be green, but they being in the black being in the red means when you're okay red is like You're not making as much as you're standing.

No, right? Yeah, and black is like okay. Yeah, I'm okay. I mean I Go okay should not be black.

I think green green green means go green means more money green means like you're in no green is good You're making money. That's what I mean. Yes, but they okay should be blue not black. No not okay black is black and red So I'm in the blue so I've been the blue now.

I'm not the blue No, I mean it's stressful because like you know, I do worry that you know I'm most valuable asset is my youtube channel and I appreciate that and I think in order to like the other sort of It's not just adsends. It's a brand opportunity that I have which I love those I've never gotten to fly behind a drone in a Santa suit if I wasn't able to work with brands I've never been like turn a shopping mall into a playground for underprivileged kids if I didn't work with brands I love working with brands That's also the bread and butter like that's where a significant amount of I think most successful youtubers incomes come from yeah And if you're not making content You lose those opportunities. So yeah, they insanity of it, right? Yeah, it's hard to make it hard to say no So yeah for us on h3 we still had a lot of sponsors lined up We just we had to tell them all like no, I mean so I'm in a similar position But I'm trying to like literally line up brand deals that are like if I can commit to one brand deal a month That's why we were like I lined up brand deals for the whole year.

Yeah, and I was like I can't do it Well, then I think I'll teach there on hearing you under hearing you and understand the frustrations you both have had with your main channel I don't have those I don't feel like my contents like I don't have those sort of struggles I feel really good about the content that I'm making and I have been making and I want to make more of it the problem The obstruction for me is like is distraction. I mean laziness could be a way of looking at it But I'm not I'm not gonna describe them like you know like I would rather go for a hike or go surfing or explore this new Your actual life. Yeah, I haven't live because you can and the grinds for so long even when you say enjoying your actual life It sounds it's indulgent and I think it's like it's not indulgent for me to what's focused 30 hours a week I'm making a video to keep my lights on to make for my family is health insurance. Yeah, but you did that for so long Yeah, nor the other yeah, it's such an extreme So no, I've swung the other way and get up only been here for two months and in those two months I have been working Made a couple of videos But like I definitely wanted to take this time to settle focus on my kids and focus on honestly like focus on things like this Like being in your podcast a priority of mine.

I'm getting there for a while I haven't said yes to something like this or being a fills podcast or working with other people You know like I did a really fun collab with Jake Roper for his new original series Which was really fun like before it's a blanket No, yeah, and like this is so rich like in this time with people that I both admire and care about like it's better I'm a Jake. Yeah, I benefit you benefit from that. That makes you a better creator makes you better person Yeah, so that's where my focus is and like the pressure right now is like and you put some structure to my hours Be a little bit more disciplined and focus so I can find resume a sort of cadence with my quote-unquote job Which is also I love and also like I get satisfaction out of it like surfing and running around and goofing off all day Every day is like is really sexy and cool, but I start to feel bad It's like I'm not doing that most of time is with my kids I feel like you're not being productive, right? I don't know what I'm doing anything.

Yeah, like there is something that's very self-fulfilling about yes The best from absurd is making YouTube videos. I feel like I'm doing it We have like a really rough week and by rough I mean like really busy a lot going on it can be like so hectic But then it feels so good at the end of the week because it's like wow we did so much this week. Yeah, that's great Friday day. Yeah, that's gonna be one of those weeks That was like the addiction with doing that uploading every day for 800 days It was no joke like this has never been a drug drive That's the wrong way to open me and you're like boom upload it I can click upload especially like yeah of those 800 days It was like 600 where I was like 8 a.m.

7 days a week when I'd send it live and like finishing it and checking it back and watching it back and seeing it Like go from like 240 to 110 80 and then like at 7.59. It's like there it is. There's my fix It is it is when we were back in a one of our when we first moved here in LA We were doing like two or three videos a week. We were like crushed Oh, yeah, you're just like oh, oh, oh, yeah, you're hitting that your main line But when I need to feel so and if we try that we start to see our personal life go down on the drain And that person like comes much more consequential when you're not so good I do think that we've struck in a good balance now I'm happy to say with the podcast and the teddy fresh We are extremely busy But it's manageable and fulfilling and I'm able to spend time with my son and to have to have some time in the evening to watch to watch the bachelor For example and back to red or bachelor paradise whatever you're trying paradise stuck is struck in a word Struckin yeah, can you use an incentive you just did and that's why I'm bringing it up.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, you know if you think you bring you a hard time I think your audience might lose it your vocabulary is really nice. I know he's trying to flex it I'm trying to talk about it Stricken Struckin I think he's struck is stricken in the past tense struck but not struck in Do you really think this productive combination have right now? I will dwell on this in my inner dialogue for like the next week and a half until I get the bottom of it There's a spread table. Yeah for the for the folks at home.

We're hungry to know if you're not gonna Is a word you know finding that work like balance? I do think is like really that's good I also do think that like making the videos and history productions like we made one recently which was the Instagram reality one which I thought was was just fulfilling and it was fun and it was great and everybody I was just I was very happy with the whole experience. I'm worried like Trisha. They tested that is she's a lot of fun He is a lot of fun.

It was great But I do want to go there again. I think but I'm really enjoying the kind of uh You know, I'm on a little different vibe right now I'll say back to you what you just said to me a little while ago Which is that if you can ignore the demands and requests of an expectation of your audience and just do what's true to you You will find success I'm saying you but I don't mean you Ethan you know I just mean in general And that's the place like I do feel really happy right now focusing on my family when I sneak away to my studio for two hours And I'm editing that makes you feel even happier. So that's the path I want to continue like before I came into your office sitting in your parking lot Which I love to pay for parking we have a more validate to give you should I didn't bring my ticket in can you just stand up? We can't give you a sticker.

Um, I met that very lightly by the way as a joke. I'm really serious and I said that Well, we have validation and give it to you though, but I'll say like I mean get the girls that we're on here and we have a question on serious when you stick your If I had to pay the three dollars of our cuts still come here and be happy when you stick We will validate the case thing where you you're validating. We validate our guess When you stick your head in the sand and just ignore all the noise and do what like really you find fulfilling Right. It's a obvious like it's you can feel it as a viewer And that that feels really really good, you know, and I think that it's very hard to remember that Trust and the trust trust is a better word to be able to trust it.

It takes a while to really get there I think we've gotten there more recently, but it's really I mean we've been doing this now for like what five six years Everything yeah, I guess yeah, but I mean, you know it takes time to learn these things You have to really put yourself in the through it all I went on the struck and is an old English word by the way. What is the definition though? What do you expect? I mean it's the past 10 struck by tenses there go ahead and define it Dan Yeah, it's just so fast.

It's a fast we can't hear you really slowing down the showcase I know it's important to get this right and then we can get me moving on from I heard that go ahead Oh, guys you can hear me no struck in is the past tense of stricken. Yes It's absolutely good. Well, let it slide but if it's in we're letting it slide down his world But that means not only is it a word indeed, but you used it properly. It's like why don't you play mega doodle?

Why do you fight me? He goes mega doodle. Yeah You're the sound yeah sound not the type I don't know I don't know I don't know I'm giving a talk at like a Youtuber get together thing next week or I don't know what it is But it's here in LA and it's a big event and I really think that like the main focus of my conversation is going to be about Finding long legs as a youtuber or social media star like what is the long term like you guys are you guys are both young like conceivably You work another 20 or 30 years before you stop working and all of the success that you found in your careers has been in the last five or six years So is this transferable to a long-term career? I know it knows the answer to that.

No one knows but it's something that like because I'm 38 and because I have three kids I think I consider that much more with much more much more reverentially than like you know jaker logan They're both early 20s david dobrek is like 21. Yeah, I think it's when you're 21. It's very hard to be like What am I gonna be doing when I'm 40 or 45 or 50 or 60? That just seems like a different life.

It seems impossible, but when you're on 38 when you're 38 you're like shit What am I doing when I'm 45 when am I doing them 50? Yeah, and that's had an impact on the way that I conduct myself. Yeah, that's why it's like really forced me to take breaks with the more fun Aspects of my career and focus on the longer term or serious or opportunistic aspects of my career Which might be good for me in my family long term. That shit's not fun or sexy.

Well, you know that's why we made teddy frash You know we were thinking we got a we have to create something that can exist on its own That we like doing that we can see us doing long term and that person exactly that was the motivation and It's great. I love I love it. It's awesome. It's great.

It's been the best thing we ever did right right? We're in that hat We're in that hat Like you look fine. See comma. See you.

I know It looks good on you Like you're bifurcating your focus from like what you do in social media to something like that is real Would you be willing to discuss the most you ever made for a brand deal? Sure. What is it? Oh?

Like you're gonna just ask me. Yeah, I would I'm sure everybody would love to know I'm fascinated. It does feel like you all give numbers I don't like to you listen I don't like to because no but people have no idea fascinating and if we can bust a nut bust this nut open rather I'm trying to use can you stricken the night the nut I can struck in the night. Let's try doesn't make any sense does it?

But I don't think people understand let me put it this way. Let me give a little preface to this conversation You don't have to share anything in a comfortable. I just okay go I just you know, I know your guy that works with a lot of brands and I think you probably got some big paycheck Yeah, I have no complaints. Yeah, but I'll put it this way.

I was first starting out my YouTube career I befriended a big crater and at the time I was probably making two or three thousand dollars a month from ad I had revenue and I thought that's pretty all air thick, you know, and He told me I go how much do you make for a For one of those ads that never work with the brand back We didn't go on to work with brands for a long time But he goes I make thirty thousand dollars for one brand deal and I was like what you know I'm like dude that's I'm making a ear and that completely blew my mind I don't think people understand necessarily how much money people make and that that as someone who'd even been doing YouTube for a year Two I was like thirty thousand dude. That's insane now. I know You're not impressed by the number are you no? $30 an ungodly amount of money, but it goes much higher Yeah, yeah, it goes much higher and I think before we start talking numbers to put a little context to it like what is the ROI?

What's the return on an investment like that? How does that make sense? Why would a company write a check for thirty thousand dollars to a YouTuber? You're getting millions of views.

I mean speaks for itself Sure, but I think like I look at my wife Candace and I look at what her ad spending is which you know She's a tiny startup Billy like they're bootstrapping They don't do a lot in revenue But the amount money that she spends on Instagram on Facebook and then just on online ads and then there's a very literal Quantification of her return on that investment every hundred dollars you make you make this much back And then when you start to apply those same sort of metrics to a well executed brand deal Which are the only kinds that I try to do like I try to do it well So it's really good for the brand that I'm working with and it's good for me You start to see that makes a lot of sense when you understand that like Coca-Cola spends hundreds of thousand of dollars for a thirty second commercial that plays during a basketball game That literally nobody watches the commercial because they fast forward you go take a leak you talk to your friends like you have a fucking cell phone in your hand Like I do when a commercial comes on you're not paying attention to that or these commercial They're paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for this thirty seconds What's their return on that and they start to compare that to having Ethan and Eila talk about that same product for Personally endorsed it and why they endorsed it connect with your audience in an entertaining way that they're engaged and they're listening I'm not gonna talk numbers I'm working with them right now, but like Coca-Cola no Nord VPN is a company that I work with in order for the bunch of creators Yeah, they're wonderful with them. They're wonderful. Oh, I Express you again, sorry, we got to play that whatever without name names any VPN company a VPN is a really difficult thing to communicate Yeah, you know how it works or you don't and if you don't it's a lot to explain and on top that like can you advertise something like that online? It just looks like it looks strange You don't understand what it is So what's a way to communicate the complexity of that product and then explain its value and then hopefully have customers go and buy that product You know that fucking TV commercial no way you know that with a banner ad like where and how are you gonna do that?

Right so you work with a creator like that company that I mentioned it's a good thing to work with like film They've worked with a bunch of tech reviewers and also you have a fairly eloquent individual who knows how to communicate ideas to an audience That they understand they speak with they have a dialogue with and it's becomes a really fair value prospect So how much? Because that that individuals getting paid and that company's getting exposure They wouldn't otherwise have access to right how much I'm not going to talk about that brand but other brands that I've worked with It's difficult for talking about a single transaction biggest one ever see I don't have that I would say like the biggest deal ever for like to bring up a brand or make a dedicated video for a brand is In the six figures a hundred thousand dollars as in like more than a hundred thousand dollars But also say like in my career I've had the opportunity to do things like that a couple of times right they go that right yeah Like when I talk about like Samsung like when we did that project where we turned a band and shopping mall into a playground for underprivileged kids Okay, my fee on that was not huge and I donated I think most of it a significant portion of it to the Boys and Girls Club of Milwaukee I just feel right being paid for that but like that cost maybe like seven to like over a million dollars just to produce just to produce and Obviously the brand's intent there was like we want to be one of our products in front of people and I shot the whole thing on their phone But it was not a hard sell for any individual item and that's why I was so willing to like attach my brand to it I'd buy the scenes videos I did yeah here a video to like five or ten million views and all this stuff and it was all about Samsung Samsung Because they were like sticking their necks out to spend over a million dollars on a project that like not doing print ads They're not getting like this isn't a Super Bowl commercial This is literally like Casey nice that turning a fucking shopping mall to a dangerous playground for kids Yeah, so there's a lot of money thrown at something like that even though my femme may not have been so high So that's why I don't like it. I know it's sad $200,000 to talk about this pair of shoes like yeah, that's sort of clean transactions never happened And on the ones where there's real money being pushed around it's usually a far more complex I know it's not as fine. It is No, I'm extremely satisfied.

I'm extremely satisfied the one off deals that are like we'll give you 50 grand to say this Yes, yes, you can say no to because then it starts to feel like your channel is like this trans this place for transaction I just had a deal and it was very lucrative over it was six big years But it was from a laptop company and what their request was we want you to do a product review a video just about our laptop And we want you to endorse it. Oh and for that will give you this much money It was like enough money to pay for my kids fucking college right it was very hard to say no Yeah, but it did cross the line right now was acceptable to share my audience Right and that that is really really tough because those opportunities like yeah, we've yeah, I'm every day We've had a lot we've not a lot of time opportunities, but that some you know It's it's oftentimes that like the most lucrative ones are the ones you really should say yeah, for example I don't want to I don't want to spare to anyone a coffee company itself. I was just speaking dead realities. Yeah, let's say a company that that sells a Brain-enhancing drugs are not not drugs supplement.

I don't okay supplements. Yeah, and I'm like I'm like I don't believe in this product But that's what gets hard. I think it's stupid and Just because they're offering me like six-figure deal. I'm gonna look like an idiot if I promote this and I can't with a straight face I can't I think you guys we're super critical of like that loot box scandal when that came up Was the one the oh yeah that rice gone I got an offer from similar products similar companies to that like supplements get a lot of offers about I just don't know what it is or what it means so I have to say no And the flip of that is like that VPN that's a product I use right I mean I pre-paid three years in advance before I get a brand So I can't use my code to get a better deal on a part I use it I know that's a good problem Yeah, when I work with companies that I actually and like I like a ring for example the sponsor like I love ring Yeah, and see I pursued them and then when you get a partner like that, it's like, you know, I believe in it I think it's a great product.

They're super legit then. I'm willing to I've gotten some cool offers and lucrative offers from car companies Really? Yeah, then I can't I can't in conjunction because you don't like the car I always make fun of mcconnah because he's in all these linking commercials and I'm like that's not driving link If he does he's in the right but like he does I drive a Tesla and I remember like a car company was producing an electric car And I was like that's cool. It's not as good as my ten I really need my Tesla and Tesla does it pay for a no it sucks I talk about the more I'm here Like I couldn't in good conscience be like wow this new electric car from this other company is amazing Cuz I don't believe it really aren't we start looking around like what are the other options to Tesla and it's not really unreal Yeah, the cars.

Yeah, it's something but it's good that well anyway, that's good So yeah, there's real money, but if you don't if you don't do it with a conscience It's it can really be well you got to because okay even if you're looking at it purely from I want to make as much money I suppose was standpoint is still short-sighted because ultimately at the It devalues your brand to kind of I will say like one of my regrets when I was vlogging is that I didn't figure out the merch thing sooner Yeah, that was a big thing never came out of nowhere though To be the fall brothers to give them the credit I think when those two guys started selling like merch everyone was like Oh, like crap. Yeah, I can tell you for a fact like you know those guys and a lot of the guys who push them are Hard they make considerably more revenue off of their merchandise sales and they do off their ad sense of course and I had Opportunities early on to do that when I look back like the loyalty my audience had for my content I was really doing a couple of interviews a day I know the amount of money that I could have made and the reason why I didn't do it then and I think I was wrong by the way is At the time it felt too predatory I didn't at the time I don't believe this now at the time It felt like to just sell stuff that people would only be buying because it was from me felt inherently dishonest and at the time Where my head was was like if I'm gonna do it it has to be not so dissimilar from the way you're doing Teddy fresh I need to start my own line. I'm not just doing merch to do merch I'm not just making shirts to make shirts. It has to be something bigger in that if that thing where it's like perfection Got in the way of good enough.

Yeah, I've done some merch since I believe yeah It didn't help the way that Jake Logan did it then which was predatory And it was like okay That's the culmination of everything that I don't want to be doing in the merch space I'm not gonna do it and I think that cost me a lot a lot of revenue I also think the thing that I underestimated is like when I was like 14 years old the amount of length the amount of distance the amount of Effort that I'd go through just to get the right skateboard t-shirt Because I wanted to show the world that like I'm a super big fan of this skateboard company I do feel like I'm a slut my audience. I should have given them that's a $20 T-shirt. It's awesome Yeah, and they get to be a part of the way I didn't respect that yeah And that's why I say it's something that I do regret because it was a financial loss for me But also like I think we're gonna cool away to people walk Yeah, I mean dude when we do these mean greas people show up with like this classic merch and it's just like oh that's It's so it's really funny to see like a super old shirts. Yeah, I've asked that we probably even forget that we've ever made you know My merch started to stop I'm happy to say that I stopped but my merch strategy was I made a video like eight years ago That was like if you want free stickers just send me a self-addressed damn envelope not fill in with stickers And we've sent out like tens of thousands of dollars of stickers which cost pennies to make and like had to have I had Dedicated employees who only sent out free so my merch strategy was so bad it cost me And I was on that wish I had had my ship together so I could have done that in more effective way Well shop case in effect I thought come I think I love some merch out there We got to send him a self address you need to get out here I know it's your phone blowing up no no so my phone I shouldn't be saying your fucking podcast my phone numbers on Reddit and everywhere else Yeah, and I keep it on my phone permanently want to carry a second phone nobody has this number Oh, yeah, but I also keep my phone permanently and do not disturb mode so just to see what shows up Well note you have to start me no calls come time But why do you keep why do you not change the number oh cuz I have a two and two cell phone number?

I don't know if you know what that means but two and two is the oldest of old school New York and hat not New York, but you're not really It's impossible if you can't get it on a landline anymore in New York It took me like three years to get a two and two cell phone number and you're not supposed to get a good parking spot It's a really good parking spot And also I know that there'll be a point in my life where I no longer have any social media notoriety whatsoever And then no one will care no one will care. I feel you're in the long time. I want to go over So you can buy my line. Oh well how much they cost not enough to Enough run not willing to give my not but any of it No, but my phone's not on do not disturb right now because I'm waiting for a call from someone later today I don't have saved so that's why it's blowing up I'd respectfully take it off of your I want to have we've been calling for an hour and a half Always happen yes, and what do you mean?

It always happens you guys always like suck people into your time for text. I thought we've been talking for 15. No, not always When we have the episodes done great, right? I'm ready.

I just thought this is a warm up You've only asked it to what dance at two and two numbers range from wait You're on that site that I know the marketplace the ones that are 30 grand are like two and two six six six six six We're going to do things out like two and two Go PC, right? New Yorkers with a psycho No one's body yet Be sold beam for 25 million famously you know I can confirm or do I that oh you can't even but that was the headline that That was what it was reported. Okay. Yeah reported is an important now now now now for after a couple years It seemed to I guess fizzle out or maybe it didn't meet the expectation that they had or there was some kind or maybe it didn't Read me that expectation that you had no I mean so it was a very exciting very exciting opportunity to like grow something that we built them zero To something much much bigger especially umbrella but gigantic parent company with really vast reach but ultimately like My business partner and I started the company ultimately We never really found the footing that we had hoped to find within such a bigger parent company and the parent company's decision was to Bring everything that we had been doing with them in house, which they're still doing and they're still making great content They're so interesting things.

Yeah, it's they all work out of out of CNN. Oh, they just they work for CNN now Yeah, I mean well There's the content the minute on the the new to channel and other beam outlets and there's a lot of cross-pollination with some of the content They're creating and sort of the more mainstream outlets of CNN. I remember During the government shutdown last year. There was a really really impactful piece that was produced entirely by beam about how it's affected TSA workers and like that piece was picked up by Anderson Cooper Anderson Cooper's reporting is is reporting on I'm reporting on the wrong word is is using a beam report to bolster or to maybe illustrate some of the things Yeah, talking about which to me to spell out real that's sort of the ultimate success So they're still making incredible work I couldn't be more proud of what they're doing But I think at the end of the day like my business partner and I it was not a great match and that's sort of how that netted out Give it a shot didn't really work out.

I think all around all around I don't think that it was a stimulus I don't know stimulus job, but I think it was a something we all tried to pursue and really really good We had really good interest and we had really good plans, but ultimately they went in different was going to run in different direction And so you sold them an app but well, I think that's where a lot of the the misunderstanding comes from So it's like no, we weren't just selling them an app We were selling like some of the most valuable things that we've pulled together at that company is we an amazing developer team It's very hard to do very very hard to do especially in New York City Especially when it comes to mobile video software development like that's a very hotspot And that's something that every big company's trying to scoop up even the Facebook's of the world and all the the Googles Like they would love and they would love and have such a tremendous appetite for the kinds of talent that we had aggregated and brought together On top of that like we had built a pretty amazing suite of intellectual properties well You know one of the products that beam launched quietly that was really successful was on the election day in 2016 a product called exit poll Which is this really cool app one day only app where like you could post a video of who you voted for and why and then we artificially Stacked it so you'd always see independent Republican Democrat independent Republican Democrat So it wasn't about how many people it was about perspectives But I remember like an hour into election day opening up that app and seeing the passion in the voice of Trump voters and the sort of hesitation in the voice of Hillary voters And I knew like right then in there because of an app that this incredible team built that Hillary's gonna lose the election So in any way that was an example of one of the products that we built so that acquisition was not for a simple software product That acquisition was for sort of the whole package. I see we had a physical space. We had a wild talent We had intellectual property. We had an agenda We had ambition and you know when we were purchased the parent company saw an opportunity within that so far more holistic thing It was a more dynamic thing than just simply buying that so when it fell through two years later Was was there some kind of vesting thing there or I mean was that just like a sweet?

A day and you guys I mean so it was it was you know Spread it was sort of different for every single employee and every I mean I will say that like they were amazing in in how it was structured and how it played out And I think that most everybody was part of the team was very empathetic and understanding about why this change was taking place Because again, it wasn't a shuttering It was like when this transition took place to bring an internal, you know, I think almost everybody was offered a very Very similar opportunity what they had working externally internally then they could choose whether they want to go work them or not go work for them So, you know, it was it was a difficult transition But at the end of that transition, I think there's opportunities there for everybody if that makes sense That's a pretty soft answer to your question, but that's that's kind of how that worked Like I what it says like they were there were really great. Yeah, it was really amazing They're believers they're supportive. They're supportive of everyone and like the team there was incredible the people that I was working for there Was incredible and I like one of the most successful private we did with beam was about vaping Yeah, and I that was with you. Thank you guys for doing that I was a fun of it That's a really really interesting approach on something that had sort of only been poked fun at right?

That's true. Yeah, I hope they make a follow-up about how vaping is killing everybody I know So much for vaping people are just dropping that why is it all some people are just dropping dead from vaping? I don't know people have been vaping for a while I don't know but I my brother was a doctor I mean I were discussing this and my theory that I presented to him was that like are these people really getting sick? Are these like the equivalent of people smoke five packs of cigarettes a day?

Because I know a lot of people who smoke cigarettes casually who aren't affected is the same way as like those people who are chain Smokers and then I read a thing from one of the guys who was affected who was a jeweler If that's a word you know, you are he said he was going through three jewel pods an hour Wow I feel like that's enough to take out a horse You know who knows and you're I mean you're a vapor damn. What's going on with that? How much do they probably fall less now after all this it seems like the people that are dying It's most likely related to them buying black market stuff But there's just not a lot of information actually just reading an article earlier today that News organization forget who did it but they did an independent test of those black market You know, especially the THC ones the lead ones and like ten out of ten of them had cyanide in it So I don't know so don't buy the black market. Why I don't understand like I don't understand like these drug the black market drug producers too They just cut a little like a fentanyl.

Yeah, whatever. It's like why I have no idea people I think that's an expensive that's like a good. I don't know that has to be the reason that has to be a reason you can stretch that At all but like there's a difference between Xanax and fentanyl. I don't even know that's not the strongest opioid on Earth It's not official opioid, isn't it?

I don't know. Yeah, I think so. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know I mean like oh damn we got the you we got the This you this FedEx guy hates my dog He just panics and closes the door I feel bad at the same time.

It's like it's just rather Don't be scared Yeah, I don't know what to think about all the vaping like what is killing people about the vaping I don't know but I Again like when you see those vape lords that were in your video in my video in memes video about that No, but like those plumes of smoke like I'm not a vapor But I've definitely tried jewel before and like when you take a big pup on it and then exhale There's like a little bit of vapor that comes out So how much just quantitatively how much are you taking in when you have one of those things that looks like that has that the battery pack really? Yeah, Dan you want to come in and rip it like Dan do you boat blow a plume when you exhale? Yes, okay, come flow of fat for us and don't die on the spot either That's insane and you know what's killing people like why how are people just dropping dead from vaping? Okay, first of all, let's just see a fat clog here shows a flat clog just blow it like Okay, like there's no way that's not hurting Okay, that's a 10 but sometimes we walk into the office and it looks like this It's a unicorn It was legit Pulled back on the vaping since this yeah, no for sure as soon as all this new because I mean we just don't know yet I want to wait for more We know it's not good.

We know for it Well, I did I watched a documentary like a BBC documentary It was like very detailed where they compared smoking to vaping and they concluded that by large margin vaping was was much less harmful Okay, then smoking cigarettes, but which is where I came I was packing a smoker for years So it helped me get off of that pretty much instantly as soon as I started vaping that was the day I started vaping was the last day ever happened But you want to know why are people dying how people just vaping and they're dropping dead, you know? Well again, it seems to be related there's what is happening to them like physiologically? Oh, well, I mean if there's cyanide in it, I mean it's just Yeah, their lungs are just like Get cyanide like that doesn't make sense you could just put like I mean what could be cheaper than? Water and sugar My friend Dan made something like a million of my videos he's not African and he was telling me about how the biggest reason South Africa is like Recreational drugs that young people use like I mean He's not gonna say that but like ecstasy or LSD or any of these you never know where they're coming from and this is fucking Africa She said like almost all that shit cut with a kind of poison because the poison does further the in the effect of the drug But it will also kill you You gotta keep your clients alive.

That's like rule number one, right? Bring them right when you do that invariably summer gonna fall over it. I think vaping is the same way Afraid it doesn't want any part of the cyanide. Yeah, the vaping man.

Mm-hmm But you know happy say don't vape. I'm not part of that whole system. I never want to be a part of that system Tell me what's elected to be someone that like enjoys running. I Am curious to we both hate running I know you remember like one of the first times ever came over your house is when you were like really deep into your diet and physical You just started working with a trainer.

Oh you were eating You know I think what it is for me is it's like especially as I get older. You don't have any time alone None literally no time alone now that I live in LA my car Which is special I've had no time alone and it's a little bit like if you ever work in a restaurant You know smokers get to have a smoke break. Yeah, it's like what the fuck I just want to have an air break You don't have an air break But if you smoke you get your five minutes an hour and running for me is like my smoke break Like I don't think anybody would understand why I need to disappear for an hour or two a day every day But when I say I need to go for a run it makes sense and it does make me feel good Like I'm I'm not blind to how to what it means like there's almost no version of anything I do in life that makes me out of breath and that's like feels like a superpower Like how many flights of steps and running up tearing how many boxes are bags of groceries? I don't get out of breath Yeah, that's pretty great and I value that that means a lot to me and like my heart rate is like that of an elephant So you know what it is.

Yeah, my resting heart rate is the last time I checked it It was like 42 beats a minute. Well 45 beats a minute like that was the right you want to compare my second one 20 There's no way you'd be dead But that's really low very low. Right? And yeah, like I value that the thing I value more than anything is like a good book on tape or good podcast and like a two-hour run But I'm moving through space some running there's all stuff happening around me my entire physical body is just shut off It's in cruise control like I can complete an autopilot your meditative 100% meditative And I just lean into it always like that or did you have to work it?

It's gotten more like when you started running. Yeah, was it awful or did you love it? No, I liked it It was challenging. I started running after like broke my leg into a zone pieces when told I never run again So it's a little bit like I'm defiant defiant.

Yeah. Yeah, so I appreciated that those aspects of it but physically it sucked But and then I used to race like I was on a pro team For triathlons for a year maybe two years and I used to race competitively and that was a very different kind of training Like right now I just like to zone out but when I was racing competitively It was really like every every time I was structured at a specific agenda I think that was actually less enjoyable, but I really like winning so it became compulsive and now it's just about that meditation That's just about having a long time. I have to say the fact that your meditative past time is is that it's great. It is a great great I don't I'm not like a big drug user like a smoke potter a little bit now that I'm out in California It's just everywhere but like not a drinker.

I don't even get all I don't know what it takes like seven days to recover from a hangover I get off the half a glass of warring. I can't do it. I can't do it I don't drink and then like drugs beyond that like I'm just not I'm just not super attractive But running is like a real if I don't get that fix I get angry like when I broke my shoulder my collarbone rather I had to go like two weeks almost before I could run because of up and down just affect the heel and I just get angry I feel like overly dependent on it. Yeah, yeah, it's complete like like all like all it's a little bit annoying that you have to run I have to like I'll give up time with my kids to go for a run.

I'm definitely what's the minimum time you need to run for? I mean really it's like 45 minutes before it's something. I'm decent like this morning I'm not enough though last two days in a row like yesterday I was in Joshua Tree National Park was amazing as a friend of mine and he's a super fit athlete But he's like a not a long-distance guy and after four miles He was like you know, he's like I'm gonna stop it You should keep going I went back with him so that felt like I didn't even it wasn't even worth doing it Same thing I wasn't even worth it for four miles For miles enough for miles nothing. It's a good one for you like ten.

Yeah, ten is if I'm average a is 10 Yeah, when I'm nothing going on like ten is just sort of the norm. Your kids wonder what's wrong with you Like you wise don't know that well like you ask about my own such a champ. Oh, it has like really severe scoliosis He's probably gonna get That's not yeah nothing. So I'm holding back He's like a really fit yeah, but he raised competitively all through high school and you do all my races with me including half Marathon He'd always show up he'd run everyone kid to triathlon and he's like 10 and I know that like he's not have the body for it He's a body that's not for it because of scoliosis that I loved but the girls are maybe a little young you loved I love the fact that he was like he appreciated it on the level that I did so much like he was You know he knew he couldn't be competitive.

He was physically held back. Yeah, that meant like a lot to me He wasn't just doing it for me. I know you like I thought you're saying you yeah, it sounded like you're saying you loved that yet Scoliosis, I know I didn't I hate that he has I love that he was so committed yeah To like this thing that I'm also passionate about that he stepped or even though he was struggling and that's gonna be it's gonna be So it's just so unusual and I think it's very it is very cool to be 16 years difference from your from your yeah Yeah, it's great. It's not like that's just so bizarre I mean a good example of it is like when I am out of town or I feel out of town for any reason I fly him to New York I said I find that sounds like I'm I literally texted him I'm like hey, can you be here Friday?

He's like yep And he just like shows up at our house in New York in Los Angeles Just shows up the house which means like he figures out how to get the airport books the ticket gets on the plane gets All the plane gets on the uber and makes it all by himself. He's an adult This is a kid who's diapers I accept yeah, he's like an adult and then he just he like takes care of the kids while I'm gone How old is he now 21 okay, so like when I travel he he like comes steps in and looks after my kids and the girl to door him That's so good. Ethan was 21 when we met really you guys have been here for 13 years. Yeah, we've yeah, we've yeah I mean we met it took a few years ago.

We were actually I understand We're gonna be married for seven years in October. Yeah, but anyway, but it's like 21 That's the 21 seems like I'm in New York City when I was when I was you know two years younger than him Do you ever do you feel like the parental role is ever blurred because you guys are so close to me Yeah, I think it's always been blurred And I think that when I imagine that with my girls now it'd be chaos like my daughter Francine is just such a troublemaker if I was like more her friend than her parent would be disaster But owns always been really conservative and smart and reserved and like I remember we he tried started traveling internationally I was like four or five and he was always in charge of his own passport. Wow. That's cute That's very sweet and like then it was like understand the implication losing this kid Yeah, that's pretty cool And he like took such immense pride in that and I try to imagine that with Francine and she'd be like okay No problem can I have candy I've known like lucky and your passport in the garbage Yeah, you know so with Owen it was really like the credits all on him But he and I have always been friends first Wow, and I think I should be all of his success to like either his mother or just the fact that he's a great human being But not any sort of genius parental no like judge me based on how these well turned out not him I mean to be fair to you.

I mean how good of a parent can you be at 16? I mean I don't know how good you were but I can only imagine I have no idea I was making sure he had a walk that's so what I mean knock up a girl 16. That's bad at brought him in Who's my virginity to all the 19? She was older than me too.

Oh, yeah, that's bad. How old was he? 19 and you were 16 you're pregnant in 19 Don't do that kid work. Yeah, where it happens kids practice safe sex Yeah, you really feel was that the first time was that was that would you lose your virginity and get a pregnant?

All at once no, but I'm almost positive she was pregnant from the first time that we slept together damn That's the when you're 16 when you're in so boat and bro I am assuming it happened because like when you want to mess with that it takes people a while to get pregnant when you're like 30 Yeah, but when you're 16 if you like breathe on a go wrong she gets pregnant I know I see we think that Candace is conspiring to get pregnant again right now secretly Because I bring because I think it's a vast conspiracy because you wouldn't want no I don't want to get are you crazy and she does here's a thing you have a house for one baby in it Wait, what is she doing? What do you what do you suspect? She's done? It's not it's more like she says things like I wouldn't have I met with So and so and she's pregnant.

I couldn't believe I couldn't imagine having another kid She's placing those and I'm like no I don't want to know but just imagine if it were to happen I'm like no I will not take that road out of that. Yeah, well not imagine and she's just like We're sort of holding our baby like our little baby George Georgie little girl. She's so amazing in so good Thank you, she's like Franny was never as like tame and sweet Franny's amazing She's a firecracker. She's an explosion and the baby's so good and like we look at the baby Like this the last time we're gonna babies and she's wondering if doesn't have to be you know And it's like he's dropping those bombs left and right down terrified terrified of having another kid So wait how many seems so hard four or five hundred at three, but it's like what you either have one or you have infinity Amount that's right.

Well, I thought there's a three three if you have three kids. That's like you're good That's a lot, but that's normal once you hit four you might as well have ten It's just yeah, they just don't stop. They're just there's just there's everywhere all the time. I could there's no way I can imagine I just feel like I'm getting a grip on life Yeah, I have a hard time imagining having another one right now.

Even though what is it? What's the plan? It is the plan? I will say it's not but it seems so hard.

I don't know it feels really unfair to have one kid Yeah, I feel that I say the kids all the time how short ended of the stick. Oh, and got no siblings all poor I grew up with him. Yeah, like dad can I like my kids now are like that in your business world? I'm like no, no, please.

I'm like, okay fine put on your shoes. Right when was the kid who was like daddy can have lunch and I was like No, not today's I'm like what are you my yeah? What are you looking for? You know yesterday?

But no, I couldn't another kid right now just seems also overwhelming But yeah, that's why I would want more than one because I I want to have you know siblings or at least I think to or maybe That's what I was saying. I got back but watching the baby look at her older sister Is the first time I like total clarity of like oh shit, that's what it was like when I was a kid You idolize you worship your older siblings. You're like that is my hero. That's exactly I watched the baby just stare at france and just like I'm gonna model myself on her and can't say no No, don't do that don't do that But it's it's fascinating to watch siblings grow up and I'm glad we did that but I can't do it anymore Yeah, yeah, yeah sign me out.

Okay. How much do we have two or three? I mean I have three if you can three more is always better four Mmm, I mean if you can handle it my wife is explaining to someone that four is a status symbol really no This is according to the great I Think Maybe in like LA maybe in Manhattan or Los Angeles that might be true I think she was saying this when we were on the island of Nantucket I don't know where Nantucket is but I don't think it's better. Nantucket is like the island is a status That's where the men can suck it.

Nice one. No man from the tuckett is they was a long socket No, but there's a lot of affluent families that have like a zillion I guess if you have like a yacht just if you have a yacht that kind of commentate for kids And you can have so she's that she wants the status of having for Everybody in this island have four kids Maybe it is if you want that status like you need to be able to fill in escalate if you can't fill Then drive up yeah, I'll walk. I dare you okay. Well, we're coming to the end of the app.

It's been two hours I want to show you a couple videos. We have some new scooter vids. Should I watch the scooter vids down or should I hold off? I don't know Let me ask you this then let's end in on the most classic way a week possibly great Do you have ever seen experience supernatural supernatural?

Have you ever seen a ghost you ever seen a UFO have you ever been visited? Have you ever seen a spirit do you have any supernatural experiences? I mean I watched that Bob Salazar documentary if that's what you're referring to Now what did you think about it when you watch you not know about the talking I like to throw people under the bus or be too critical, but he's one of the most interesting you're both voices ever This Bob Salazar guy and that was one of the worst made It was not his fault On top of that like don't conflate the fact that FBI keeps rating his firework factory with the fact that he's this like just Just let me listen to this man. See But the like material is so mad with or the b-roll of like the b-roll of searches of fucking aliens like why would you In there like a college project was invalidating what Bob Salazar was saying I bounced in 10 minutes because I found the the production to be so obnoxious Here's the thing the interview that he did on the Joe Rogan podcast though made up for the yes That documentary because Joe Rogan basically asked all the questions that I want to hear but he's making it all up right?

I mean what's your opinion? It's gonna be making it all up what I mean truly is I don't know like I would say that my penis I want to believe him and I don't know like it's such a convincing art and also one of those people like wants there to be aliens You want to be playing earth and so it's all during my lifetime Yeah, kind of a dope time to be alive. You know what I mean? We're all going down anyway to believe but we had this guy Mick West who's a scientific debunker and he just hydrated him yeah, it was like He's just kind of repeating some stuff that are easy to a lot of right a lot of stuff He says our like our like have origins and like old UFO tales of the people used to say back in like the 50s from abduction experience and stuff and UFO circles He says like was from this specific star system that originates back So you think is just sort of heavy the heavy the heavy particle that he says they use this fuel He says that that was something we were inevitably going to discover anyway as part of like Like that particle there's just there's no explanation really for I don't know that's why I just want to believe that it's cool It's not like a cool story.

It's that's what I like to sort of this awesome and fun But no, I've never had a first-hand But I'm waiting and I'm sorry for my first most nothing I'm not much of a believer in that and either people like to ask that I was annoying I don't believe I was hired to film a series like Discovery one of those channels It was like the unknown or something And I think I filmed two episodes where they fired me and had to read the whole show because I forgot to We lost the entire contract and part of the reason why is because I thought everything was seen with bullshit The first pilot shot was about this kid who can speak to who's like reincarnated and could identify all the minutia of his previous life Where he used to live on the street or so we went to like get into it And it was just all felt like all bullshit It was like I used to be a movie star who's alive in the 50s and it's like cool cool thing to say kid And then so we like brought him from Texas to Hollywood And he was like I remember the street if I could see the street and we're like find the street And it's like it was just all just stupid You had to be one of those people who really like those so far out there to believe that you're willing to ignore everything Yeah, you're willing to ignore all the truth because they don't fit in with your version of reality You watch the Flat Earth documentary on Netflix. No, it's awesome. Really? I'd watch that so good Flat Earth is my favorite thing It's about these guys who are like super flat Earth and they start doing they're trying to prove that the Earth is flat And so they're getting really high tech soft and actually really scientific approach and the more rigorous their experiments the more they keep Disproofing themselves, but it's interesting that they keep finding ways to invalidate their experiments For example, this guy bought like a thirty thousand dollar gyro to measure the Earth's rotation And he had to have a mic up with the lab at one point and he's telling people he's like well to be honest though the gyro experiments They didn't go well at all like if anyone found these experiment five of these at right now as they are We would be in trouble plumber to be in trouble right and then at the very end They said it was really elaborate experiment with lasers out in like a flatbeds desert and they set up these um like a mile apart like these uh Some kind of cardboard with us cut out.

Mm-hmm And they're like well if if the Earth is flat like we say it's gonna go through all of them equally But if it's curved because there's so much space between them you you won't see it going through right like a I like it anyway, they do it really scientifically they do the math correct and everything and sure not There's no it proves once again at the Earth is curved the reason why they're like there's why that conspiracy is so great to me It's like there's really no benefit in proving out their ridiculous theory like the suggestion that there's a global conspiracy for the earth to be Around is like the end game right conspiracy. Nobody wins from that It's just so funny and fun NASA can like make a couple bucks like this just so That doesn't make money. They just spend it. I feel like they just find like a group that they can be a part of They want to be a part of it just run with it without the internet shit like flowers whenever speaking of it We're talking about flatter's we're just in this podcast right now.

Yeah, okay. Thank you guys. Thanks. Fly podcast.

No, we should end it Over two hours. Yeah, so guys. What's today Friday? What do we have?

We have Bobby Leon Tuesday? That's right? Bobby and that's it. Oh, and kalayla human.

So once a week Friday Tuesday Friday So Bobby Leon kalayla. We join us on Tuesday. That's really exciting Friday we're gonna be doing the red all up shamegalah Teddy fresh calm get that new collection. You have any what do you plug in?

I got nothing plug Casey doesn't need to plug he is the brand I'm brand Are you gonna consider getting a scooter? Yeah, right around in a rush you gotta pick my own up. Okay. Okay.

That's what I'm saying I was wondering if you had to get out of here. Yeah, I'm just saying the only by myself, but okay, okay? Yeah, okay, well, we gotta take care of that. So guys.

Thank you for watching have a fantastic weekend a blessed weekend A god-blessed weekend don't use the R word like me. I feel like I need a little grace period on the other word Like they revoked that too quick. Yeah, I feel like you okay as long as you're I'm phasing out I acknowledge as long as your acknowledge. Okay, then I give you a pass.

Thank you Need a little grace period on the are where you now I'm American so I have a say yeah by the way congrats. Thank you I really appreciate it. I really appreciate it. I just give it through our model Yeah, I'm told you very good you with Jewish kids we celebrate your bot.

Okay You can add a key on at my wedding and got like ridiculed for wearing a fucking keep it by who like when I posted a picture on Instagram You're not getting married. Yeah, yeah, yeah, what's on his head Yeah Yeah, it's supposed to be Friday night Sunday no what Sunday night the end of Sunday is the The end of the weekend no there's a holiday this weekend. Oh this See now You should buy on Friday night this Sunday night we have the beginning I mean about is a stretch. We'll serve fucking grill lots But we use every Friday to get together and we do like the candles you do can we say prayer together?

That's pretty crazy. You know like the Hanukkah prayer like my mom does and I don't know I Know