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EPISODE · Jun 23, 2026 · 56 MIN

147: Kathryn Nicolai: Why Women Who Train the Hardest Are Often the Ones Who Sleep the Worst

from Broads: The Bold & Badass Fitness Podcast for Women · host Tara LaFerrara

Rest is not something you earn. It is something your body needs the same way it needs water. And a lot of women are running on empty and calling it discipline. The problem is not that women are lazy about sleep. It is the opposite. Women who train the hardest, who push through the most, who never stop going are often the ones lying awake at midnight completely wired wondering why their body will not shut off. Because pushing through all day does something to your nervous system that a few hours in bed cannot undo on its own. And nobody is talking about that part. But we will, in this episode where we get into why your brain will not quit at night, why you cannot catch up on sleep the way you think you can, and what closing a stress cycle actually means for women who never fully switch off. This week I am sitting down with Kathryn Nicolai, the creator of Nothing Much Happens, the biggest sleep podcast in the world with over 200 million downloads. Kathryn spent 20 years as a yoga and meditation teacher working with real women through real seasons of life before she built an entire science-backed practice around rest, nervous system regulation, and why the way you move through your days is either quietly supporting your sleep or quietly wrecking it. If you train hard and still lie awake staring at the ceiling, this one is for you. What's Discussed: (11:53) Why women who push through everything are often the ones whose nervous systems take the biggest hit at night  (14:49) What a stress cycle actually is, why most women have too many open tabs running, and what actually closes them  (19:38) What most people get completely wrong about why they cannot sleep  (25:54) What storytelling does to the brain that meditation and white noise cannot  (32:37) What brain training actually means for sleep and what happens the longer you stay consistent (47:56) What to do when nothing is working  (53:31) Kathryn's personal 3am secret she barely ever shares Join us live on Monday, June 15 at 5pm CST and you'll get a special discount on BroadsCOACH BUILD if you sign up for the Summer Cohort on the call. Save your spot now at: broads.app/body-recomp-webinar Find out more from Broads: Website: broads.app Instagram: @broads.podcast @broads.app Check More Resources: Macronutrient Guide: Want a simple place to start fuelling for the body you're building? Grab Broad’s FREE Macronutrient Guide: The Balanced Plate Blueprint at broads.app/macronutrient-guide. Gym Starter Guide: Ready to stop waiting for "someday"? Download the free guide at broads.app/gym-starter-guide  Check out more from Tara LaFerrara: Website: taralaferrara.com Instagram: @taralaferrara YouTube: @TaraLaferrara TikTok: @taralaferrara Check out more from Kathryn Nicolai: Website: nothingmuchhappens.com  Instagram:@kathryn_nicolai  YouTube: youtube.com/c/NothingMuchHappens  Podcast Nothing Much Happens on Apple Podcasts: podcasts.apple.com  Podcast Nothing Much Happens on Spotify: open.spotify.com  New Book On the Street Where You Live: nothingmuchhappens.com/thebook

Rest is not something you earn. It is something your body needs the same way it needs water. And a lot of women are running on empty and calling it discipline. The problem is not that women are lazy about sleep. It is the opposite. Women who train the hardest, who push through the most, who never stop going are often the ones lying awake at midnight completely wired wondering why their body will not shut off. Because pushing through all day does something to your nervous system that a few hours in bed cannot undo on its own. And nobody is talking about that part. But we will, in this episode where we get into why your brain will not quit at night, why you cannot catch up on sleep the way you think you can, and what closing a stress cycle actually means for women who never fully switch off. This week I am sitting down with Kathryn Nicolai, the creator of Nothing Much Happens, the biggest sleep podcast in the world with over 200 million downloads. Kathryn spent 20 years as a yoga and meditation teacher working with real women through real seasons of life before she built an entire science-backed practice around rest, nervous system regulation, and why the way you move through your days is either quietly supporting your sleep or quietly wrecking it. If you train hard and still lie awake staring at the ceiling, this one is for you. What's Discussed: (11:53) Why women who push through everything are often the ones whose nervous systems take the biggest hit at night  (14:49) What a stress cycle actually is, why most women have too many open tabs running, and what actually closes them  (19:38) What most people get completely wrong about why they cannot sleep  (25:54) What storytelling does to the brain that meditation and white noise cannot  (32:37) What brain training actually means for sleep and what happens the longer you stay consistent (47:56) What to do when nothing is working  (53:31) Kathryn's personal 3am secret she barely ever shares Join us live on Monday, June 15 at 5pm CST and you'll get a special discount on BroadsCOACH BUILD if you sign up for the Summer Cohort on the call. Save your spot now at: broads.app/body-recomp-webinar Find out more from Broads: Website: broads.app Instagram: @broads.podcast @broads.app Check More Resources: Macronutrient Guide: Want a simple place to start fuelling for the body you're building? Grab Broad’s FREE Macronutrient Guide: The Balanced Plate Blueprint at broads.app/macronutrient-guide. Gym Starter Guide: Ready to stop waiting for "someday"? Download the free guide at broads.app/gym-starter-guide  Check out more from Tara LaFerrara: Website: taralaferrara.com Instagram: @taralaferrara YouTube: @TaraLaferrara TikTok: @taralaferrara Check out more from Kathryn Nicolai: Website: nothingmuchhappens.com  Instagram:@kathryn_nicolai  YouTube: youtube.com/c/NothingMuchHappens  Podcast Nothing Much Happens on Apple Podcasts: podcasts.apple.com  Podcast Nothing Much Happens on Spotify: open.spotify.com  New Book On the Street Where You Live: nothingmuchhappens.com/thebook

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Rest is not something you earn. It is something your body needs the same way it needs water. And a lot of women are running on empty and calling it discipline. The problem is not that women are lazy about sleep. It is the opposite. Women who train...

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