Possibly the best thing that happens during the holidays happened the other day. What's that? Well, it's kind of a big deal. Tara's like, hey, I got to bake some cookies tonight.
And I'm like, OK, got to bake cookies. Not something she says. Oh, it's the thing. And what's it?
The thing is the cookie swap with all the moms. There's like a bunch of moms that get together. And Tara's in there cooking the seven layer bars that I love so much. And she cooks, I think it's eight dozen cookies, which is a ton.
And then she goes to this lady's house. And they have this little get together. And then they swap the cookies. And then Tara comes back with just all the cookies you could imagine.
You know, imagine the biggest donut box you can imagine. OK, I'm doing that now. Yeah. But you can still carry it.
Oh, OK, so let's be reasonable. Sure. Reasonable. And then fill it with cookies.
And everyone, so you get like three cookies of each lady's favorite. So I've got two cookies now. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Go ahead.
I'm going to throw out some types of cookies. Yes. Then I don't know what they're called. But I can just describe them from having seen them.
And you tell me if you have them. OK. Yeah. I don't have the whole box in front of me.
I'm just going to have to go for memory here. OK, I'm picturing a cookie that is about two and a half inches across. And it's a darker brown. It's just kind of a glob.
And then jammed right in the middle of it is a Hershey's kiss. Do you have that kind of cookie? Oh, I know the one you're talking about. No.
No. No. What I'm going to say, you're not going to believe. That's probably too simple for this cookie swap.
Yeah. That's well, it is the south. That's like the amateur hour cookie. Wow.
OK. I'm sitting here. I got two cookies. Didn't know what they were going to taste like before I got them.
One of them looks like your basic sugar cookie, but it also looks like a peanut butter cookie. I'm going to go into it. It's lemon. And there's almond crumble on top.
Wow. I know, right? I am but a practical man of the West. We don't do things like that here.
Oh, dude. Avoid being slaughtered by bears primarily. Some time for that kind of stuff. I'm now.
Dude, we're like four days away from the cookie swap. And I've been saving this one. That just took a bite off. It's four days out from it or four days away from when it occurs.
No, no, like it happened four days ago. OK, so it's like the equivalent of November 3 to Halloween. Yeah, basically. And so, OK, got it.
That's such a dumb way of saying it. It's so funny. But also very clear. Thank you.
So I've been waiting on this deep dark chocolate looking cookie. And it's got like what I thought were white chocolate things. And it's not. It tastes like an Andy's meant bar.
Ooh. But it's chewy. Like a chu- dude, it is so amazing. It's one of my favorite things about Christmas time.
Anyway, Tarett, great. She made what we call the seven layer bars. And we're not allowed to have a full tray of these at our house. Because I would just sit there and eat them with milk.
They're like, got some coconut, got some, I don't know, coffee. That's amazing. You guys like this? This is sophisticated.
Yeah, you don't do that in the West? I don't know, probably people do. I just, when I can't relate to cool things that you do, I like to just make it sound like it's because of how tough and gritty we are out here. But the reality is, I might just not do cool things all the time.
Sometimes I'm just boring. So people make cool cookies out here. I mean, you got to change how you do it because of the altitude. Maybe that's it.
Let's go with that. Let's wait on the altitude. But that's one of the things I love about the South is like, dude, when I was getting married, there's this guy, you know how there's a person that you can tell that the old man wisdom is just about to hit you right, square in the eyes. He says, hey, man, let me talk to you about that.
You got engaged, right? Yes, sir. Here's my old baseball coach. He goes, well, let me tell you something.
And you write this down. You need to. I said, OK, what does it goes? Love and don't last, but cook and do.
And I said, Mr. Phillips, what does that mean? He goes, well, it's like this. It's like, eventually, all this sweet love and you got right now, he's like, that's going to change.
And I guess what I would describe that is, you know, you go from this mostly eros type love, and you move out, you know, you're physically attracted to each other. And it transforms into something more like Storgi and Agape. That's what that's a nice way of saying it. But the way he said it is love and don't last, but cook and do.
Meaning she, if she can cook, she'll always be able to cook. So that's what I told me. And so in the sound, I think it's a really big deal for the younger ladies and the older ladies to kind of work together on that. And yeah, I got some buddies that can cook.
They cook really good. I don't know. What are we talking about today? I'm sorry.
I'm just telling you about cookies. This is great. No, I find myself very intrigued by it. And I'm jealous.
But man, I think the cookies you're describing are too sophisticated for me. The Christmas cookie I like the most. And then I find myself wanting right now is your standard issue, stocking shaped sugar cookie, with just exactly the right amount of frosting on the top and a nice little crisp, like just a golden brown crisp around the edges. And I want the whole soggy sugar cookie.
You bite into it. It's crispy, but you get right to the very middle and there's just a little bit of tenderness to it right there. You mean to tell you who is a cookie savant, like somebody that really cares Bob Claggot's wife. Amazing.
Really? Yes, dude. It is not a joke. Her and I, we see eye to eye on the importance of cookies.
She can make a mean chocolate chip cookie. It's great. We were making things in that family. They do.
He likes to make stuff. So we were in a, we went to visit them one time. And they were, they were remodeling the kitchen and she didn't have her full oven. And so she had this little air fryer kind of thing and she made these cookies.
And I'm just going to level with you, dude. I was like, I think she burnt these cookies. So we're at their house. You know, she, she sees it.
Sometimes I make little Instagram stories about eating chocolate cookies at night. And she's like, I want to make you some cookies. She did. And I look at them in the oven and I'm like, Oh man, she burned them.
What do I do? I can't, I can't tell her she burnt the cookies. I got to eat this cookie and pretend like I like it. And then the weirdest thing.
Thank you. Could I have another? Yeah. That's, that's my, that's my role.
I took a bite of the cookie and it was amazing. She had to overcompensate because of her cooking device so that she, she's just like, you know what? We're just going to forget about how it looks. We're going directly for taste.
And she made an amazing cookie with a subpar cooking setup. I was very impressed. It was fantastic. Really chewy on the inside.
It looked like it was burnt, but it wasn't still haven't figured that out, but it was, it was fantastic. Anyway, Mrs. Clackett, you make a mean cookie. Mean is good.
You make a great cookie. I guess I need to make sure there's no ambiguity there. I really like what you're describing though in terms of like that's, uh, that's one of those stand on the shoulders of giants who came before you kind of thing. If everybody had to learn everything about how to make something delectable and beautiful in a culinary sense from scratch, I mean, the literal, in the figure sense from, from nothing, if you had to start from zero, every generation, that would be horrible food.
That's really one of the things that connects us across generations. It's one of the things that outlives us recipe wise. Have you seen that holiday Coca-Cola commercial they're running right now with the dude who's trying to bake the pie? No, I like making pie.
What is that commercials? You're good at making pies, by the way. Thanks. Yeah.
You want to talk about somebody who's got a nice touch? You got a nice touch. Pie. Come on.
It's just a Coca-Cola. It's just this guy and he's clearly trying to make a pie and it's clearly not his strong suit, but his mom is there walking him through it, looking over his shoulder and nodding and everything else. He gets the pie out right as the holiday company gets there. It doesn't look perfect, but it's in earnest and he gets an approving look from his mom right before he goes into greet the company, but then the camera pulls back and you realize that mom was only in the reflection of the mirror and that she's gone and she's memorialized about the party.
Dude, I'm going to tear up man and stop it. Really? I didn't see that coming. I was like, Oh, yeah, mom's going to read stream.
Whoa. Yeah. But wow, I mean, yeah, just some of the little points of connection with the people we love who came before it's sneaky like that. And so at first, I was like, Oh, cookies are good.
And that's just one more thing to busy yourself with during an already frantic time of year. And then you talked about that connection, the younger ladies, the older ladies and what your wise old sage baseball coach told you. And I was like, huh, no, there's something to that. And I much better appreciate that people take the time and energy to pass along these traditions, to pass along these flavors.
So many things that we pass along to each other come in the forms of things you hear or see. That's something that you smell and taste that you actually physically internalize. That is a gift from someone else. That's pretty special.
It is. She's in a group called, they call themselves the Titus two group. It's interesting because they strategically make these groups where you'll have some older ladies in there with some like, you know, just from every generation, 20, 30s, 50s, 60s, 70s. And they'll arrange it so that they have people from every generation in there.
And so when Tara started being in the group, it was a really big deal because you have people that are just a little further down the road than you are right there. I thought it was impressive. I thought it was really cool. This episode of Notam Questions is brought to you by Hello Fresh.
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Yes, sir. Yeah. We're recording how I feel. All right.
So the joke is the other night I did my best to try to feed us for the minimum amount of money possible. And so I went to the grocery store and the best I could do was hammer. I've already told you this thing, man, but it was. Yeah, you have.
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Thanks for being on over this, buddy. Thank you. Hard pivot from holiday cookie conversation, which was far more intriguing and appetizing than I had anticipated. Thank you for that.
I'm going to go make a cookie type thing happen in my life now this holiday season. I'm inspired, but question. This is a hard pivot, brother. Hard.
We have mechanism cleared. Yeah, it's hard. It's a lot. Like, let's go from that to like existential thought about the nature of your existence.
All right. Let's go. All right. I guess all existential thought is about the nature of your existence.
OK, the name of whatever. How do you conceive of your life? What is the mental image that you have of the unfolding of your life? A circle.
OK, and the way it works is there's this circle and I've got the stuff. I don't know. I think of it two ways. I think of it as like a wheel touching a road.
I also, but I kind of think of it. I think of the top of the wheel almost. So the things that have already rolled by, that's like the past and the things that are coming up is the future. And in the moment where it touches the now is the now.
And so the only moment where I truly exist is right in the moment where it touches eternity. Is that makes is that what you're asking? How many people in the third chair right now do you think we're taking their pointer finger and making a wheel gesture and picturing how wheels hit the road and which rotation moves the vehicle in which way the volume were describing? Well, I was.
No, I mean, the tangent point is the point at which I don't know. I think of time as this medium through which I travel. OK, and there's only this one moment where I exist. And that's the now.
And then there's a stuff that's that's already passed and the stuff that's coming up in the future. Is this what you're asking? Wow, interesting. Yeah, it goes deeper.
So it's just what you said is very, very different from how I would answer the question. Well, here's this other there's this other thing to it. Like I think about people in my past, like my grandfather, my dad and my dad's and my now, but like, well, let's talk about my dad, for example, OK, my dad. It's almost like his circle or his wheel has rotated a different total angle than mine.
But we we exist right now, like his now and mine now both exist. But his wheel has rotated farther than mine. And so I think of this life experience that that a person has as the unraveling of their life. And for example, my grandfather or my great, great, great father that I never met.
If I were to somehow be able to recalibrate those wheels and roll them back and I would be like, OK, that right there is 41 years. That's where Destin is right now. Let's take his great, great grandfather's wheel and bring it up here and you can rotate it to where it says 41 years for him and line them up in the now. I would love to have that conversation.
Just me and him, the person I don't even know his name, if we were to sit down and have a conversation is 41 year old men, that'd be awesome. Yes, for example, my son, I love him dearly. I've got two sons, but just pick my oldest one because he's going through the most change in his life right now. I love him dearly.
And the only thing that separates his life experience in mind, there's a lot. But the only thing really is that I'm just a little further down the road than he is. But I respect him just the same. Like I would love to be his friend right now.
I'm his parent, and that's not the same thing. Yeah, but I'm imagining a time where when he's got more of his life is enrolled and more of my life is enrolled, we can speak more like peers because we've got more road behind us and those differences in age don't matter quite as much. Hmm. I don't know if this makes any sense.
How do you I was even the question, how do you visualize the unraveling of your life? Is that what I sounded when I asked? It just sounded like you were pontificating and I was trying to figure out how you said it. No, it's not silky like with a lounge singer in the background and like you were wearing a smoking jacket.
I liked it. I was imagining the caterpillar from Alice in Wonderland's, what I was imagining. OK, speaking of which, I think when my life unravels more, I'm starting to consider like in the far distant future, I can imagine myself smoking a tobacco pipe. I can imagine.
Do you mean unravels or unfolds because unfolds means that stuff went well and you had good health and more time passed when I hear unravels, I more think like everything went south and heavy drinking. Forgive me. I'm not using the correct word. I mean, unroll, like unroll, not unravel, unroll.
OK, that's good. Yeah. So like I'm imagining this progress, this enrolling of my life a long time. So if things go well, you may one day smoke a pipe.
If things go poorly, you're probably not going to smoke a pipe. Yeah, there you go. There you go. OK, cool.
I think I'm tracking with all of that now. You ask now I can see about it. I thought you were going to get the same answer I'm about to. So your answer surprised me, but it shouldn't that you would use an analogy from a mechanism, something that can be engineered for efficiency and predictability and also artistry and elegance.
And of course you would latch on to an image like that. Of course, that's how you visualize it. It makes perfect sense. And of course, I would visualize mine as a narrative, a story where I play a character and other people's stories and then they contribute as characters in my story as well.
And it's not one singular narrative. There are a lot of different stories that I might latch on to for a season of time or imagine some kind of tragedy if I'm real down or some kind of triumphant hero story for a minute if I indulge my pride after something goes right. But for the most part, I just think of it with basic beats of a typical story. You start off and there's all kinds of adventure and potential in front of you, but you don't really know what you're doing.
And then there's some sort of call to adventure. And in my case, like most people's cases, it's just you get a little older and then you have to go do things at some point. And then you meet other characters along the way. And the friction between the motivation of you and the other people you meet, positive, negative in between that fuels a lot of the action that makes things go.
And the action isn't always Marvel style action where you've got direct overt eye popping on screen stuff happening. Most of the action is in the life of the mind and the shared life of the mind and the soul with the other characters. But definitely there's a beginning and a middle and an end. And as a result, there's a little bit of grief baked in to the divides between the act and where you're at percentage wise, as you imagine, the unfolding of the story.
Maybe it's a little slavish. Maybe that's what Don Henley meant when he said we've been poisoned by these fairy tales that some of your stories write back on us too much, but certainly stories have written back on me and how I think about things. But maybe humanity has always been writing stories. And so our shared experience created stories and then stories informed back on us what the reality of the human experiences from the dawn of time.
But for me, there's no mechanism for me. It is overwhelmingly some kind of narrative flow. Does that surprise you? No, I'm trying to decide now if that means that the way I visualize this more self centered because I'm only thinking about my wheel or my circle, so to speak.
You didn't say you were the hub. No, I don't know. I'm just trying to think about it. So you think about yourself in relation to others.
I'm just thinking like my life going along like a fuse burning. Like I've got an X amount of life and you know, X minus T is how much I got left. So other mechanical example, you know what I mean? I'm just I guess I do and it's a good analogy.
Yeah. I guess that's going to how I think about it. Interesting. What is the thing that you and Amy were talking about that time?
You said something about there's a story arc and you said there's a hero's story arc. I forget what you call that. Yeah, Joseph Campbell is a mid 20th century. Wait, what do you call it?
A narrow autologist? There is a dude who thought about psychology and storytelling and literature. The hero's journey. I think that was it.
Yeah, I think his most famous work is the hero of a thousand faces. It's something like that. It's a pretty famous book that lots of people continue to buy and read. It really informed George Lucas when he was crafting the first Star Wars film and that whole universe.
I think his idea is that he went and looked at a whole bunch of myths from all around the world. Religious storytelling, fairy tales, all the stories people tell him what he found was that there were some very common elements that seem nearly inescapable. And he postulates that these elements are always there because they are reflective of humanity and how we reckon time and aging and relationships and intersecting with other people on this time continuum. And so the journey of these stories, then it looks like you're going through places and challenges and going to chase after the MacGuffin or whatever.
But really all of these things are a metaphor for the search for self, the search for meaning, knowledge of self to know and be known, all of that kind of stuff. And because people are wired the same way, he theorized or fairly the same way. These same elements keep cropping up in stories all over the world for millennia. And those elements include certain types of characters who crop up, but also certain motifs of storytelling.
And so when you talk about Campbell's narrative theory, you're talking about character archetypes and just story structure archetypes and not everything fits neatly into that, but most of the stuff that deals right going down when you watch it probably fits into that somehow. What hero archetype? Are you the hero of your story? I guess is what I'm trying to say.
Hero and main character don't mean the same thing if you're talking about different sets of archetypes. So Aristotle had a list of archetypes that he thought were present in story, including as well as a couple other even older, famous or Greek philosophers and fiction writers before him. Campbell is a distillation of Aristotle and Menander and a whole bunch of stuff that happened in between, including like Arthurian legends and all of that. But that's not the only one.
Carl Jung, he's Swiss, right? The 20th century psychologist, the associate of Sigmund Freud. I think he swiss. Don't quote me on that one.
But he did a whole bunch of work on a whole bunch of different things. And I think Jung's big thing was the idea of actualization isn't the right word, but it's it's this awareness of self, this getting to a point where you understand self and you become connected with a lot of the human archetypes that make us what we are. What was his term? Individuation.
That's the term. His psychology focus on what he called individuation. And so storytelling, he believed was a big part of this. And so the Jungian archetypes, they're a little different list than the Campbellite archetypes, Campbellite.
That's like a religious movement. I don't know if Campbell's archetypes, they're different. And maybe not is universally observable in film and literature as Campbell's archetypes, but maybe more observable in the people you meet in everyday life. So Campbell says there are about eight archetypes in stories.
Jung, I think has 12 and there's a lot of overlap between the two. So if we're talking about the Jungian archetype structure, hero is just one of the 12. And I'm just going to I'm going to reel off because it's pretty interesting here. Hang on a second.
OK. I got this. Yeah. Yeah.
You just said a lot and it's very difficult for me to keep up. But sorry. Yeah, that's a lot. You know, sorry for all of that.
The just right is that there are common threads to storytelling. Yeah. And that different quality thinkers have tried to make sense of that either through a psychological lens or through a literary analysis lens or through both. OK.
OK, here we go. The Jungian archetypes are the innocent, the orphan, the hero, the caregiver, the seducer, the rebel, the lover, the creator, the joker, the mentor, the magician and the ruler. OK, I'm looking this up now. There's an image, Jungian archetypes, J-U-N-G-I-A-N.
OK. All right. Did you come across his wheel of archetypes? I'm looking for it.
It's like a I'm seeing it on images here. OK. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Tell me what you're seeing. Describe that to me when you pull it up. It looks like a color wheel.
And it says in the it's divided into quadrants and it's also divided into each quadrant is divided into three groups. So I don't know if this is is his wheel. He came up with it. I think that's an extrapolation, but I think it's faithful.
It's very hard to explain what I'm looking at with an audio only medium here. So to show these 12 things on one graph, there's four quadrants, top right, the spiritual journey, the bottom right, leave a mark, bottom left, connect to others, top left, provide structure. And each of those four categories, the Jungian structure of thought about character archetypes, each of those four categories has three archetypes where that's what they're trying to achieve. So leave a mark.
Well, which of those archetypes would be most interested in leaving a mark? The innocent, the orphan, the seducer, the hero, clearly the hero would have to be on that in that quadrant, right? Yeah. Who else do you see there?
The magician and the outlaw. OK, that's sometimes you hear the outlaw called the rebel or the rogue in terms of film and storytelling, you know that archetype, right? The rebel, the rogue. Yeah, absolutely.
Give me some examples. Who comes to mind Han Solo? Yeah. Yeah, the rebel, the Red Martigan, Wolverine.
Yeah. Yeah, Wolverine. Yeah, with the heart of gold. OK.
Yeah, I had a buddy who says dead pool fits into that category. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah.
Interesting. So you can just let's just pick a random character. So let's say, oh, I don't know, Inspector Gadget. So I don't know.
That's OK. Not the seducer. Probably not the seducer. Probably not the seducer.
OK. All right. He's the hero. That's the way he is.
He's the hero. Yeah. Maybe maybe he's the joker. A little bit.
Yeah. I miss Inspector Gadget. I need to go watch some of the old cartoon. I need to do that.
OK. So what are you? I think I would be, for me, I feel like the every man. That's what I feel like.
So what I want to be. What does the every man want? The it's in the connect with others. Connect to other squadron.
Yes. Yes. It's where Peyton Manning said that he wanted to be. He wanted to be known as a good teammate when asked at the end of his career how he wanted to be remembered with all his achievements and everything else.
He wanted to be a good teammate. That's a good answer. Yep. It's a really good answer.
What about you? Where are you at? Well, respectfully, I'm not sure how that's how it works. I think it depends on the question in relation to who.
Who am I in relation to Camilla? The love of lover. Yes. I selflessness passion, self sacrifice.
It'd be the magician driving motivations to know and be known, right? No, the magician. You'd be the magician in relation to that too. You mentioned it.
But who am I to my kids or a couple of people who I know from maybe work or something like that or the kids I coach? Well, I think I'm the mentor like there, even though I don't know. I know Obi-Wan Kenobi. I'm playing that role.
I'm the white bearded, calm, steadying character in their life. But I don't conceive of myself as the mentor in my own story. But in the story of others, I think that's the role I play for better or worse, maybe the disappointing mentor, but certainly that in other environments. Wow, I feel resonance with the rebel, the rogue.
Yeah, that's I think rules are a little bit overrated. I am definitely on the chaotic good quadrant and I super resonate with the people who are like, yeah, I don't have time for the stupid rules and all of this. I want to do good. I'm going to go try to do good.
And when I screw up, well, we'll dig out of it when we dig out of it. I might not be good at it, but I feel resonance with that kind of character. Do you feel resonance with the rogue or is that foreign to you? Not really.
No, I don't. I'm kind of a rule follower more than me. I guess that's probably true. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, that is true, actually. It's true. Yeah.
But the thing is also I play the role of the innocent, depending on who I'm interacting with. There are times I'm like, you know what, I'm not doing shrewd, roge rebel, win with force thing here. I just want to try to do what's right and what's good. And one of the weaknesses of the innocent is naivete, vulnerability, losing at things.
You should maybe win at, but I play that role. And none of these are an act that just life and circumstances and relationships give us the opportunity to play a lot of different parts in different stories. I mean, it just depends on how you frame the story or what little bit of the passage of time you clip out who you point the spotlight at most dramatically. I mean, the same one week give you a jillion different stories just all unfolding at once.
And you're in a lot of those stories, but you do not play the same role in those stories. Let's play a game here real quick. So I, yep, if I'm sitting in the third chair right now, I'm probably pretty confused because you said a lot of stuff and it's hard to imagine ourselves in relation to other people. So here's what I'd like to do.
I'd like to identify a person and we're going to, as a thought experiment, we're going to say, who am I in relation to that person and then I'll read off the archetypes and then we can think about who it is. So who are we going to start with? But our boss, everybody has a boss. I mean, OK, even if you work on your own, like if you own the business, you kind of have a boss because somebody you try to make somebody happy in order to make money.
OK, do your boss, which of these are you the ruler, the creator slash artist, the sage, the innocent explorer, rebel hero, wizard, or magician, the jester, every man, lover, caregiver. So what would be your answer there? Not the seducer again. Yep.
Creator sounds right, just given my job description, but I don't think it's that. Wow, I don't know. That's very difficult, man. It is.
I have multiple bosses. That's a tough relationship. Yeah, I don't know how do you answer that. Yeah.
I think we should all say not the seducer to start all the time because it's funny. It's all your job is. So I would say for the YouTube thing, I would like to say creator artist the YouTube thing. I would like to answer there for the thing where I do airspace engineering.
I would say in that capacity, I've I've learned a lot of things. So the word this one has a sage. It's a weird word, but I would like to say in that capacity because I'm typically working with younger people and I'm helping them see things that I learned the hard way. There we go.
Yeah. Yeah. So I would say in that capacity, I kind of serve that role. And the other boss I have would be with school and with school.
I don't know. That's a hard one. I'd probably say the explorer, maybe, like I'm trying to figure things out. I mean, in some cases, they probably think I'm the rebel because I'm not a full time student.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not a full time student.
I may. I think it might be something to that part time student, right? Yeah. What about you?
Your bosses. That's tricky. The back when I used to work at a church. What an odd employment arrangement that line of work is that it's yeah.
Did you have to be the caregiver? The caregiver. It's very much so. Yeah.
That is that is strange. Yeah. I mean, the the orphan in a way, which one is the orphan? I'm getting Harry Potter's the orphan.
Frodo's the orphan. Well, heck, Luke's. Is that the innocence because there are multiple lists and I'm finding that these names aren't settled on? Sure.
I think the innocent is different from the orphan. I think the orphan is always trying to overcome always has a little bit of imposter syndrome, once acceptance, but they're an orphan. They don't they don't have a family. And I think sometimes part of the relationship between a pastor and a church.
When I used to do that involves that, you're a part of the family of faith, but you're the only one getting paid and you're the one who has to have the hard conversations when things get sideways or weird. So there's a survival instinct that kicks in. That's one of the characteristics of the orphan empathy, but also scrappiness. I think if you're past during wrong, you think of yourself as the hero in that job.
It's just all the talent to overcome everything. But I think you're more on to something when you say the caregiver, the weakness of the caregiver is that they can be taken advantage of. The strength of the caregiver is they don't care. If you had hurt looking out for other people or showing care, that's so strange.
She just said the sentence you just assembled as the strength of the caregiver is that they don't care. That's just an odd sentence. What you're saying is they don't care that they're taking advantage of. That's what you mean.
I just thought it was an interesting sentence to say. Right. They would die a thousand deaths if they stopped showing care to other people. And the only way to prevent being taken advantage of or getting dinged up by the occasional bad actor is to fully insulate yourself and not care about anybody.
I mean, you can't pastor like that. This episode of Notum Questions is brought to you by Audible. It's open on my phone constantly. I cannot get enough.
It is filling all of the little gaps with knowledge and other people's ideas all the time. Man, I lean on this app heavily at this point. Yeah, absolutely. My family has been using all the audible credits, you know, you get an audible credit a month and it's like, oh, man, what am I going to use my credit on?
And you know what? The last time I went to check, it was already used and that's good. And I'm extremely excited about that because that means my kids are consuming audio books and I love that. So yeah, it's a huge deal with our family.
So what's the offer? It's audible.com slash in the queue or text in the queue to 500, 500. What is the actual thing you get when you do that, Matt? You get a free membership for 30 days, which is the credit that you were just talking about.
So you can go to anywhere in the catalog and get anything new, old, whatever. You can use that credit to get an audio book. But then in addition, audible keeps building out their their whole additional catalog, the plus catalog. And I'm using that a lot.
Classics, new stuff, topical deep dive, academic stuff, fun stuff for the kids. It in and of itself is more than enough to keep me busy and then getting that credit every month to go and grab something else. I mean, like I said, I have this on all the time. Yeah.
One thing I like to do is if you go to audible and you just search the topic that you're wanting to learn about, go to the left and go to filter by and just click plus catalog, all these audio books come up that are free. They're right there in the plus catalog and it's like, you know, you use your one credit for the one thing you were thinking about that month and then you just flip over to the plus catalog and you can just devour all kinds of content. So imagine if you had 30 days coming up where you don't have a whole lot of obligations, you've got more in between time than usual and you were like, I want to become super knowledgeable about this topic. The plus catalog alone is going to get that done with that 30 day three membership that you get.
You can just max things out and power stuff like crazy and you could emerge from that 30 days or free as an absolute beast on that topic. Absolutely. You've got like two, some of the classics are in here in the plus catalog, Robinson Crusoe, Moby Dick. Yeah, the great Gatsby, all this stuff.
It's here, 20,000 leagues under the sea, things that you should have listened to in the past, but you haven't. Check it out. Yeah, still got my son here. You know, one of the things that's in the plus catalog buddy.
Yes, what it is? What is it? Animal Farm who just listened to Animal Farm. I did.
Yeah, why? Because you asked me to and who was your favorite character in Animal Farm? Snowball, Snowball, the pig. The pig.
Yeah. So why did I want you to go through Animal Farm? What was the idea there? Because communism has failed every time it's been tried.
Absolutely. That's right. So when you're going to have a problem with some animals or more equal than others, I had to write an essay on that in class today. Did you really?
Yes. We knew it because of Animal Farm. It was on what midterm? Really?
So you think you nailed it? Idea. Yeah. So did you use things you learned from the Animal Farm?
Like the same concept, really. OK, there you go. Audible.com slash in DQ or text in DQ to 500 500. You two can have children who understand the virtues of communism failing every time it's ever been tried.
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