150. Matthew Stephenson and Liz David-Barrett on Trends in Corruption and Anti-Corruption

In this episode of KickBack, host Robert Barrington is joined by Professor Matthew Stephenson, one of the podcast’s original founders, and Professor Liz David-Barrett, Professor of Governance and Integrity and Director of the Centre for the Study of Corruption at the University of Sussex, to take a wide-ranging look at trends in corruption and anti-corruption. The conversation explores key thinkers and writers that have shaped their understanding of the field, as well as broader reflections on the state of corruption studies and whether there are grounds for optimism about anti-corruption interventions. They also revisit lessons from past cases of corruption and reform, and examine the relationship between democratic accountability, the rule of law, and corruption. Additional themes include the role of artificial intelligence in shaping approaches to tackling corruption, alongside discussion of the panel’s favourite books and films on the subject. The episode concludes with reflections on what they would most like to teach in a Master’s course on corruption, and which topics they see as most important for the next generation of students in the field. Links to discussed publications: Articles Cuèllar, M.F. and Stephenson, M.C., 2022. Taming systemic corruption: the American experience and its implications for contemporary debates. World Development, 155, p.105755. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.worlddev.2021.105755 Dávid-Barrett, E., 2023. State capture and development: a conceptual framework. Journal of International Relations and Development, p.1. https://doi.org/10.1057/s41268-023-00290-6 Dobson Phillips, R.., Dávid-Barrett, E. and Barrington, R., 2025. Defining corruption in context. Perspectives on Politics, pp.1-15. doi:10.1017/S153759272400286X Stephenson, M.C., 2020. Corruption as a self-reinforcing trap: Implications for reform strategy. The World Bank Research Observer, 35(2), pp.192-226. https://academic.oup.com/wbro/article-abstract/35/2/192/5857269 Wathne, C. and Stephenson, M.C., 2021. The credibility of corruption statistics. A critical review of ten global estimates, April, U4 Anti-Corruption Resource Centre, https://www.u4.no/publications/the-credibility-of-corruption-statistics Recommended viewing and reading Novine - Croatian TV drama 2016-2022 All the King's Men - Oscar-winning film of 1949 (re-made in 2006) No Longer At Ease - 1960 novel by Chinua Achebe