155. MAT vs. 12 Steps: Can Both Save Lives? | Sam Davis & Dr. Nicole Labor July 18, 2026

Recovery has become divided into camps. One side believes Medication Assisted Treatment (MAT) is the answer. The other believes lasting recovery only comes through complete abstinence and personal transformation. What if both sides are missing something? In this conversation, Sam Davis sits down with addiction physician Dr. Nicole Labor, a physician in long-term recovery, to explore one of the most controversial conversations in behavioral health today. Together they discuss: • MAT vs. abstinence • Suboxone and methadone • Why so many physicians receive very little addiction training • The role of 12 Step recovery • Harm reduction • Why recovery is rarely black and white • Individualized treatment • Building a life beyond addiction Whether you’re in recovery, love someone struggling with addiction, or work in behavioral health, this conversation offers a balanced perspective that is rarely heard. FOR THE FAMILY MEMBERS OF ADDICTED LOVED ONES- Join our FREE Family Support Meetings every week. Seven live meetings each week. No cost. No judgment. Just education, clarity, and support.  https://interventiononcall.com Sponsored by Intervention On Call. #AddictionRecovery #Recovery #MAT #Suboxone #RecoveryPodcast #MentalHealth #BehavioralHealth #AddictionMedicine