Wait a minute, cross face! The Demi Talk Show! On conversation, sometimes worth recording, with Josh Janssen and Tommy Jekyll. Is it that he talks show?
Episode 157. I love it. I felt like I read your mind as soon as you started, because you were working at Fuck, Fuck, Fuck, what episodes is this? Yeah, and I was even wondering, am I doing this right?
Am I doing it in the right order? Am I saying the thing that I normally say? Are you actually questioning whether you're awake or not? Because it's 5.30 in the morning for you, is it?
Yeah, it's early. Yeah, but no, I think it might. It's not that early, actually. It's like 6.30.
No, but the thing is, I don't want to jinx myself at this fucking air con or something. You can hear it in my voice. Yeah, like after yesterday's show, we were talking, and I was a little bit so coffee, and I ended up leaving. I think I said, I've got to go vomit.
Yeah, did you? Like, I just coughed up peeps. Like, I didn't cough up peeps. That sounds gross.
I just went out of Sharon was coughing. But there's something in this fucking hotel room. But he said, she thinks it's dusty. Yeah, I'm sure it is.
Mate, you've got to clean those echons out. The chance of them coming in. It depends on how, what star hotel room you're staying in. So you're in Turkey right now.
What's the star rating of the hotel you're in? I think it's a four to a five, maybe. It's, as I said yesterday's show, we go pretty, like, I like to book somewhere that I sort of know so, just easy for the first few days. So we're staying at the Radisson moment.
They're all over the joint. Yeah, yeah, and so that's nice and easy. Bree's very good at details and stuff. So when we came in, she was like, I don't know if this is the exact room.
So then I ended up calling and being like, hey, is this the room? And they said, yeah, so like it's, this one thing Bree's good at. I don't know if we're, if I get to annoy the, if it starts to annoy the, the people. Let's go to ask questions.
As in you went into a room that you didn't know if it was yours because it was fancy or like it was better than your thought? No, it was probably like, well, it was a weird one because we wasn't like any extra for us to go. Like the business style room, which got you like business lounge access. Which means that you can just get like food and stuff during the day.
In saying that, I don't want that to sort of be our, fall back because there's so much good food out and about. So I don't want to be like stuck in a lounge, having like little fucking shit. Oh, actually it was really delicious. I had like a heap of Turkish delight, but um.
Classic doesn't want to be seen to be a tourist. It's Turkish delight in Turkey. 100%. That's awesome.
Was it any, was it any better than the Turkish delight in Melbourne? Yeah, absolutely. I haven't had that much Turkish delight. So it was good.
Winning Turkey. I feel like you're gonna have to take the reins for this fucking show because I can't believe every time I start talking in here it's like I'm taking a big breath of fucking dust. Yeah. Well, it sounds like you got a bit of asthma.
I'll give you a little bode up. I'll give you a little bode up date. You're um. Well, you're soon.
You're your son? Well, he was, he's done for a day. Well, I supervise. Anyway, so it doesn't ever go as a way.
Well, when you get back, he will legitimately be talking. He's now stringing sentences together. When I say sentences, stringing words that form a small part of A sentence. He's like, he now like, what did he say?
Um, the one that take care reckons that he said, um, mommy daddy are working. Something like that. And so he's, it's amazing to see how quickly the words are coming out. But um.
How is he picking what words do you think? Uh, it's very visual. So what he sees, he just yells out. So yeah, as soon as he wakes up, he came out of the court and he's pretty much hardly got his eyes open.
What's that? Pointing at stuff looks in the ground. What's that? That's his favorite.
What's that? What's that? What's that? Well, kids are known for like asking lots of questions.
Do you think like that's you? When he starts asking, when he starts asking difficult questions, like um, like about the bees and the fucking babies or whatever. Fucking bees and the birds. What's your approach going to be?
You're going to go super graphic. You're going to go like, what's your tactic? No, I'm not going to just pull up an incognito browser and just go, let's get to work. No, Josh.
No. No. What is the actual approach? He's like, look, we had sex.
And that's how you happen. Yeah. See, this is the thing. As a parent, what I'm learning is you take what is on offer at the time.
And that's not for quite some time. Are you talking about the sex still? I thought we were still in the incognito rally. No.
You take the conversation. Like, what is it, the challenge that is present? That's the one that you focus on. And you're asking me to focus on a problem down the track, which I can't even explain.
I think we're pretty open. Like as in, we're pretty front foot with this kind of stuff. And I like to think that I'm a cool progressive parent in some respects. So I'll be happy to have a conversation with him.
If it's, yeah, if it's, who was telling me? Someone telling me recently that, oh yeah, so that they heard daughters about years, maybe grade four or five. And there was a like an assembly, or what if he called, like a con-grat. It was like a parent, it was like a parent get together at the school in the hall and there was going to be a thing where they talked about what the kids would be learning in sex ed.
So it wasn't even, it was like the pre-class for the parents to get a gauge of what was going to be explored. And the woman that was telling me, she was saying that her, her husband didn't want to go, didn't want to go. And because it would be all the mothers there. And I was like, fuck that.
I would, I would be there front center. Just all right. What's that? What do you got?
Is that all? I don't know. Like, I feel like I'm, I'm excited to sort of, he, I understand what these people like, school teachers and stuff are going to be teaching at that time. Because I know for me, and what I remember, I did a lot of self exploring on the internet myself, but it was.
How old is this? Like what does age of this cover? This is all like primary school. Yeah, that was primary school.
So I'm sure it'd be kind of very much entry level. But yeah, so it's a challenge that's ahead of me, but I don't even go there just yet. We've still got, but I didn't need him to start talking, then he'll probably start swearing. And then we'll have to deal with that.
But he's getting to that real toddler age. Like you can even, you know, terrible to, he's 18 months, a little bit old now. So he's only heading towards it. So you're still going to experience like worse, not these bad now, but it's going to get bad.
You're getting, you get a waft of this, of the situation. And like last night he was just losing it while having, like everything he did, he put a little bit of food in his mouth. He thought it was too hot, spat it out, and everything was just hard. And then so he just gave it to him by, so he fed himself and then he was happy.
It's like, so there's no rhyme or reason. Sometimes he's just really tired of this. He's not, but the update, the story. This is another daycare situation.
No. He, was he bitten someone else or something? Or was he, I can't remember, did he bite someone or is it on bite him? No, he got bitten.
He choked out the kid though, to put in the slate. No, he didn't. He got bitten the other way as well. Side note, big little chomp marks.
Turned out that he was playing with his kids blocks. Didn't want to, the kid didn't want to share. Little prick. Yeah.
Did you imagine if someone tried to bite you, like as an adult? Yeah. Like it's such a nasty fucking thing to do, isn't it? Yeah, bite someone.
Well, I told speed on someone is disgusting as an adult. Yeah. So anyway, so I get to daycare. Bodie is just like cruising around.
He sees me, runs towards me, just gets into my arms. And I noticed that he wasn't in what he was wearing when he went to daycare. So you got to take, just to paint the picture, you need to take him a little bag. And in this bag, he has a change of clothes.
And he was in that change of clothes. And there's a guy that works there and lovely, lovely dude. He said, oh yeah, Bodie had a bit of a mishap. I said, what happened?
I'm always curious. And he said, I was, I was playing with one of the other kids. And then Bodie came up to me and was holding onto my arm. And I looked down on my arm and I could feel something like, as well as his hand, and I looked down and he put his hand down into his nappy, pulled out some poop and had gone on.
And wiped it on this guy's arm. I picked up Bodie. Have I ever done that for you? I've seen him stick his hand into his nappy.
And yeah, it's once, which was, yeah, it was, it was bad. But he, I picked him up. It's a classic joke. I always do it.
I picked him up and said, shouldn't do that, Bodie. No, we spin his ear. That's the only thing I look over now. Did you lift up his, did you lift up his mallet?
You were saying it, just to get a real clear of your ear. His mallet's actually in fine form, longer than it's ever been. But that's... Have you got an update on when he's getting a haircut?
Oh, no. I think it's even, he's mallet's even better now. Like I'm, I'm more in, I'm liking his mallet more and more. And he gets people just constantly, a lot of people say, cut it.
But I say it's my son, I don't do what I want. But he, it's looking good. Plus I'm growing my ear. So we'll just, we'll weather the storm together until we can both look like Patrick's lazy.
What it, what is the actual, like what, where does your mind go when it comes to the mullet? Like what is the pushback on the haircut? Well, no, we like his hair. We want to give him like a little, I just want him to have like a little, just some, just free flowing hair.
I want the difference between a mullet and just long hair. Well, his hair will grow. At some point it will grow into each other. He was born with a classic George Costanza look.
So no hair on the top, just around the sides. And then it just slowly grow on the top and yeah, kept growing the back end. So it's probably like me with my neck beard. Like I always grow my neck beard first.
So that's like his mullet, his, he leads my neck beard. It's like his mullet in that one. Well, a kid comes out and you don't know what's going to happen with their hair situation. It could be shit loads of hair, it could be none.
Or some, but he got a kind of weird combination. He was very bald on top. So yeah, I mean, I've seen some kids coming out with like a full head of hair. It's the most bizarre thing.
Kids are weird. This, no, you're talking about kids being weird. You should have seen the, when we're at the airport, I've never seen a kid scream as much luckily he wasn't on our flight. But it was one of those things where normally when someone's crying or whatever, like a kid's crying, you sort of have empathy for the parent.
And you're like, oh, you know, people were like rolling their eyes. This kid was just fucking like, he sounded like an animal. He was making a sound that I'd never heard before. And he was just like, just fucking like throwing himself.
He was like, this is just before he was about to board the fly. Nice. And then like, if you're the parent in that situation, do you go empathetic for the kid and just go, come on, calm down or whatever? Or like, I feel like if that was my kid, I would need to create some sort of scene to show everyone like tokenistically that I'm like, as pissed off as they are.
Because I was almost getting a little bit annoyed that the lady wasn't fucking caring enough that her kid was losing his mind. Yeah. There is millions of strategies to play. Actually, there's either ignore it, try and solve it or just keep going.
Like Amy's been taking Bodey home on the tram every now and then from work. And she said he just lost it the other day on a packed peak hour tram in Melbourne. And just he was just flopping over, flopping around. And someone said, oh, you can sit down here.
And then, you know, she tries to, you try and you pull out the secret weapon, the mobile phone. And try and get them to watch. But sometimes it doesn't work. I experienced that tantrum.
Just nothing was helping at Southland Shopping Centre. And it was literally one of those moments where I've judged parents in this moment. And there's not much you can do. Like, I mean, it's embarrassing, but it's also like, I think you can't do much about it.
I think it doesn't feel as bad as you think it would when you're looking at a parent with a kid. Yeah. Because it's just become immune to their annoyance. Oh, yeah.
So you've got a higher tolerance rate for the screaming. Yeah. That probably doesn't sound new. Yeah, 100%.
It's like the start. I mean, for a parent at the start, I think it's like they're crying. It's like you can hear it from a mile away. But then there's just been so much of it.
And you've ignored so much of it. Because a lot of the time it's not there actually in pain. It's just something going on. So, yeah.
Well, yeah, it was interesting. I was listening to, I was on the plane here. I was listening to Oshiginsburg, who's got a new book out. I think it's we'll be back after the break or after the break or something.
And he was being interviewed by Mayor Freeman. And I was like falling asleep during the thing. But I was waking up at points. And one of the bits that I heard was him talking about this sort of like his first panic attack when he was three years old.
And I feel like it's super interesting. Because I feel like when I was three, like are you really, I find it fascinating to be able to know when you're three years old, those sort of experiences? Because I feel like I would have had so many times that could have been considered a panic attack where it's like, if you're willing to like lose your mind in a like a shopping center isn't at all, that would be, that would be deemed like a real big fucking panic attack or something. True.
I mean, what's your vibe on that? Do you think there's a, there's an age where it sort of becomes from a tantrum that any kid will have to something that's more serious? Yeah. Well, I couldn't tell you.
I think it's unique for everybody. But you, like, so Bodhi doesn't cry when we leave him at daycare. Never has. There's this kid that I've been seeing every morning recently that's just in hysterics.
Just it's probably separation anxiety. It's like, where does that come from? If one kid doesn't have it and then the other kid does. I don't think it's got nothing to do with their parenting style because the kid's like, so fresh.
Like as individuals, like it's so eye opening, having a kid and taking them to daycare when you see the little personalities that are there at 18 months. Like it is outrageous. Like it is cemented who you are from a very early age. Just your- It's a massive role of the dice.
I think that's probably the thing to consider with all this shit. If you've got a great kid, you've probably just got fucking lucky. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. And meaning a kid, like I look at Bodhi because he's pretty out there and he's got a lot of my tendencies in terms of just like he's a bit wild and I'm definitely- Do you think that mullet makes him wild? Like do you think that you're out there? But seriously, do you think that maybe?
Like because of like how you dress him and how you're like fucking keep his hair? I was going to say how he cut his hair but you haven't cut his hair. Yeah, yeah. But do you think that like if you put him in little tuxedos and cut his hair short, like Brie and I would have our kid.
Do you think that he would be more into computers and less outdoorsy or sort of like yeah? No, I don't think so. He never- Like when you leave him at daycare and when you pick him up, he's constantly just doing stuff. He's walking around like sweeping or he's walking around with like this little stick that has this duck that you can- It just has these little legs on it and rolls and he's just constantly burning around.
And he's just got that energy in him and it's just he's got a little hutsbak. And then there's these other little kids that are just a little bit meek and just lovely and just bit quiet but just yeah he's- Bodhi is a little leader. It's crazy. Like he demands attention from in the room, not like yelling but kids just flock to him.
It's bizarre and I hope it just needs to be honest. Oh, I've got to close the loop and my mom even said oh close the loop. I think she said yeah. I've got to talk to you about something from one of the podcasts you've been talking that you said, something you said.
And so I've got to share- Is this like close the loop or is this your mum wanting corrections when you fucking say it? Is this a- Is this an actual close the loop? No, I think it's a close the loop. So- Yeah, great.
Mick Hall who we had on we talked about ADHD, ADD and it was probably I think it was pretty invoged to judge kids and say that they had ADHD or ADD if they were just- Yeah. Had a bit of personality back in the day. And so I think I said something around the teachers used to say that I had ADD and it's something similar for you wasn't it? Yeah well my mum would always threaten that we're going to go to the doctors and get me medicated.
Oh that's right. I was thinking about it. I give- if I've got a headache or something I won't take um- Panadol or anything like I rarely take medication and it drives very crazy sometimes like oh no I'll just drink some water and I wouldn't be surprised if it's from the negativity that came from taking medication for anything. So yeah it's interesting.
So yeah so you mum heard that episode. Yeah and she said oh I've been mean to tell you we got you tested which I can't even remember getting tested. She probably told me this time. Told me it was a dentist appointment next minute getting tested for ADD.
Turns out I never had it so- Really? Stick it up your ass teachers. You were just an asshole. That's so- Nothing to blame.
Yeah yeah. The um- that actually reminds me of getting tested as a kid. I would- mum was always complaining that I was like fucking couldn't hear it right when she was like asked me to do stuff or like I'd be on the couch watching TV. I said I can't hear you.
So we went to a hearing test and I had like perfect hearing and then the person doing the test said yeah he's just ignoring you. It's tough. Yeah because you're quite- you're very um self-aware. Did you knew on the way to the hearing test did you know what was going on?
No I think- no I think that actually I couldn't hear it in the mum but I think I was just ignoring it. Like I even can do that with Bray too where it's like if I'm doing something if I'm like reading something or watching something I can't do more than one thing. Like it's not that I am just being disrespectful or anything like that. It's literally like if I try and do more than one thing and none of the things are going to happen.
And so I think maybe it was a bit of that but it was funny to think that I um yeah we went to the doctors and stuff and there was literally nothing wrong with my- That's a classic. So he's a test that they don't do for that they don't do but everyone self-diagnoses themselves and that's people who say oh I'm not a morning person. Yeah and so what are you? I think I'm an eight hour- I think I'm an eight hours of sleep person.
Yeah and as long as I've had that I can do stuff so if I go to bed and I'm counting the hours on my fingers I'm like I'm only getting six hours I straight away panic because I'm like I'm gonna wake up I'm not gonna feel good whereas if I get eight hours seven and a half it's okay too but I'll wake up the reason like if you think about it and this like when I was growing up I couldn't wake up in the morning like we would leave for school at seven actually no not seven eight would leave school if I can eight and I would be at like 10 to 8 still in bed and mum screaming Josh get up now that type of deal can't he and yeah I was like can he can he and mum good care and um yeah so I but it was because I would go to bed like when I was like 16 7 name I would stay up until like two in the morning like yeah editing and talking like even I would edit and talk to mates at the same time on the phone it was just I just did not prioritize sleep at all well I think there's a few things when you're 16 and you're not so dropping there's a lot of testosterone flowing through your system and you're quite hormonal so it's a it's a gripe I've always had an ex-quagie yeah it's an exploration it's a it's a conversation Amy and I have a lot is it we we battle it out in the mornings because I basically spring out of bed and I'm pretty awake I'm just gonna do what I know I'm gonna do it the morning I gotta get to work and Amy's always been of the thinking of school of thought of I'm not a morning person and I struggle getting up and it's one of those things but then I my thought around it is if she's got a flight that we need a catch and it's in the morning there seems to be no problem so it's like is there is it a really morning is it really in the morning thing or it's like yeah I always always that's probably yeah I think it's probably the um I think it does come down to when you go to bed I think that the reality of people who get up early is they go to bed early as well and so I reckon that most people who say that they're not in a morning person aren't having eight out like if you were to have eight hours of sleep my feeling is that as long as I have as long as I have eight hours of sleep I'll um I'll be able to wake up and I'll be fine what time do you guys normally go to bed? We don't go to bed that late 10 o'clock sometimes 10 30 like not even I mean yeah when you have a kid it's pretty early I mean when Amy was single she used to go to bed pretty late but I think you just you've probably fallen a trap of going to bed late and then associating mornings with this pain of getting up because you're tired and yeah I mean it's probably a mindset like it probably is a mindset thing I think one thing that I've become better at is empathetic with not everyone's me type of thing and I even know that like I was um speaking to a friend the other day who um they uh they were basically they said I stayed up until 4 a.m. I just couldn't go to sleep and um I straight away said one thing that helps me is um having a cold shower before I go to bed and then as I said that I rolled it into but I don't have insomnia so I'm like so it might not help like so I completely understand that that might not help at all yeah I think that that's probably a slight tweak in the way that I view things which is like oh like I could say oh you need his aid out as a sleep or oh you just need to change your mindset to be like um to for it to be a positive thing or create like positive habits but um yeah I don't know if it's as easy as that yeah well I we haven't really thrown it out to be able listening that are in a field of expertise I'd love to know if a doctor is listening that either you know spend a bit more time at university than us which is at go to university um so if you've been even if you started a doctor's uh course I was about to say certificate yeah and you know if you know anything about like if you got a three in medicine yeah let us know in fact if you believe sir three is as high as it goes well mate I've got a sir three and a sift or so uh if you wait I think that's I think that's like master's in TAFE language yeah not even not even um but no if anyone knows about the morning if it's a legitimate thing like morning person is it a legitimate thing are you one or are you not um one thing that I just was thinking about to the um on that ossie Ginsburg interview have you seen his um men's health photos he's ripped yeah and I thought what was really interesting is um I was listening to a podcast with him and me a friend was on she normally gives me the shits but she would I actually enjoyed um this episode um I let what turned me off I was I listened to this Will Anderson episode yeah and um she used the first five minutes without Will being there describing how they used to have crushes on each other really like oh yeah you know we'll used to have a crush uh on me and um you know I used to sort of have a crush on here and so I was just like fuck it what a weird way to start an interview with someone very weird um I find it interesting the um podcast that contextualize at the beginning where they have an interview and then they use the first 10 minutes to explain the interview I feel like sometimes especially if it becomes a bit of a heated conversation I don't think it's necessarily fair for the interview because you're essentially like you're getting the last say you're able to like get the whole audience on your page and giving hey this was my point of view when I was asking these questions and then letting them but in saying that uh me was grilling Asha about the um the cover because he's been he was talking about how when he was um working I think on the bachelor he um had this situation where it was basically I think set up by some paps or someone where they wanted um they needed him to take his shirt off for the show show or something to get into some scuba gear and there were paps they're waiting to get photos of him without his top on when he had sort of weight issues which happened to be the weight issues from the medication he was taking from his um you know sort of mental illness but um she did bring up an interesting point around okay like you know why do you want to do the cover type of thing he's like you know I want it to be you know a positive mental health story about how like through exercise and all that sort of thing I was able to do this but then you hear his description in like the last 48 hours of him getting ready for that photo and it's like you stop drinking water if I can get dehydrated or that sort of thing I just don't know how I feel about it because it sort of it feels like a massive contradiction which is like in one way he's trying to say be happy who you are with who you are and um you know but then at the same time I think it's great to like celebrate your achievements but I don't know about that last two days of fucking getting dehydrated and doing all of that hacking shit to try and get lean as fuck for the cover yeah it is a bit of hell it's not it's not health I mean yeah most people that are either competing or doing those things are not in a healthy state at the moment they're taking that photo bodybuilders I don't know how healthy it is for the amount of food that they eat during training I mean they're just optimizing the result of what they're putting in an aesthetic yeah as well right they optimize it like okay this looks good but like yeah so I thought that was that was interesting but I was just on my mind I'm like yeah actually um it was a little bit like fuck you to the situation and sense of like yeah I don't like I don't necessarily need to um look like that and I think that there's probably I think that um yeah I don't know I was just a little bit like the it seems a bit disingenuous to say that it's all for this um specific thing whilst at the same time also projecting into the world these sort of negative bodies sort of perspectives yeah well I've told you I like as soon as I have done not competitions but you know challenges or focus seriously on what I'm eating diet you know I become more vain it's like a result of this input I start looking in the mirror more start trying to look at my ads and I don't like it it doesn't it doesn't feel good for me like I don't feel like it's a healthy mindset for me and when I I mean the other the other result is when I eat food and I'm like I it so I feel a similar way but in the opposite direction if that makes sense and so there has to be a middle ground which is hard because it's I mean humans are always sort of having these um these extremes that make them feel something you know like it's almost like um the middle ground doesn't make you feel enough and it's and it's not like you know like we like a bit of pain in some respects because it means that we're sort of on this path to getting to the other side or something like that and so maybe the middle ground where you're just like yeah this is good I don't know it's such a weird thing because it is it's all in my head it's just promoting I think that the thing is that um maybe what it is without just purely looking at the cover and I think that when it is a cover like that's all you've got to be able to look at it on its own and see what the message is rather than just I think that what his point was was that it was sort of um it was a way into the conversation so it was sort of um trojan horsing the issue where it's like oh look I've got these abs and then I look mental health but um I still think that maybe it sets off this um expectation that to um you know that you need that I think that's just like I think that it's like there's a little bit of danger to that sort of thing because I was even like um I know that I was even like slightly triggered with like oh yeah maybe I should do that like oh yeah that would be cool and then it's like I don't if you think about the obsessive nature that's required to get to that point even if it's over a short period of time versus just um like it'd be interesting to see what the what health actually looks like like maybe maybe health would look like that if you were there like from the beginning but I just feel like going from fat to that in a short period of time isn't necessarily you know it was six months or whatever but I just yeah I don't know I was thinking about that well I think I think we need to get you on the front of men's health uh when you get back I can know I think I think I should do it like the one thing about doing those um challenges that might not be the most healthy thing for you in terms of your mindset mindset it like you can propel yourself into a new sort of um it's like leveling up you know so like I reckon I've built like a base strength from doing the sort of going all in and then refit and then sort of pulling back and not training like that but I definitely like leveled up and so it um there is definitely benefits in it if you can if you can do it um it's like a life in general right it's like me going to chaotic airports or dealing with issues in previous trips means that when I go to an airport that has a similar situation I feel like I can just like lean into it and completely fine it's probably the same thing with this sort of thing you know that you've done it before and you can do it again and you've got the foundation one one thing that I like I was obsessed this so I've done maybe a couple of challenges within the last three years I've done two where a bunch of mates got together and sort of trained out to this date and anyway the first time I did it and I just refined like I had so such little carbs and I was so strict and then I got results and then the next time I did it and I did it differently where I actually had carbs and I got really great results and so it's like for me it was like this moment where I was like I you actually can do it how like your body is so unique that it will respond and you need to work it out but you're only going to get it by trying it and so you know it's you can't just say don't it calves to people because it's actually good in some respects. Well I think that that was part of Osh's point in doing it was showing that you can build lean muscle through a plant-based diet without having meat so you know I get it at the same time like that's there's a hundred different ways of doing stuff and I get that there is when you look you know when you look over time with lent towards fucking eating eggs and lean meats and shit like that and this is just another option so I don't think we need to worry that it's you know going to move too far the other way.
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