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EPISODE · Oct 31, 2025 · 31 MIN

#17 Role models and why they count: reflections sparked by Pat Clark's conversation

from She Leads Because She Can · host Sue Aspinall and Caz Jude

Send us Fan MailEpisode SummaryIn this episode, we unpack our conversation with Pat Clark, exploring four key leadership insights that challenged our thinking:"It takes a very strong leader to give the power away" We discuss how school leaders can consistently develop their team leaders' skills and motivation, and why empowering others requires confidence, not weakness."Heads can make the weather -- alongside a good team" An honest look at self-awareness in leadership: recognising when we're not showing up at our best, understanding our unintended impact on the school community, and the importance of recovery and repair."Changing culture takes time -- you can shift it one step at a time" We explore the value of being clear and honest about "what we do around here" - the why, what, and how - and making incremental improvements rather than seeking overnight transformation."Look in the mirror, look out the window" Pat's powerful framework for when things go wrong: taking personal responsibility while inviting the team into problem-solving and improvement.A reminder that headship is tough work, and it's okay to acknowledge that your leadership was good enough today while striving to be even better tomorrow.What resonated with you from this conversation? We'd love to hear your takeaways.

Send us Fan Mail Episode Summary In this episode, we unpack our conversation with Pat Clark, exploring four key leadership insights that challenged our thinking: "It takes a very strong leader to give the power away" We discuss how school leaders can consistently develop their team leaders' skills and motivation, and why empowering others requires confidence, not weakness. "Heads can make the weather -- alongside a good team" An honest look at self-awareness in leadership: recognising when we...

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