#171 Buck Bill's Gun Club 5

Welcome back to the Turbo Sports Radio and welcome back to another exciting edition of Buckwheels Gun Club. And we always get Buckwheels on his gun clubs but today we've got special guests down the range. He's just what you're doing with his soap and his saucy mop. So it's right for us?

Yeah, it's all right. We've got the landlord of the Turbo Tavern himself down the gun club. So bad. It's a good thing for once.

It would let me in if he's the first thing I've been drinking so it was a loud down range. So what you thought was being a range? That's nice though, it's nice. It's got like little men's outlines and that he can shoot a couple of like balls eyes and shit like it.

Like far away and far far away. Anybody else who got the lines fucking game, just go back to the back. Like if you want to fancy a bit of a game on him that and he's got a dangerous game. Obviously Matt and Wagon Hunter men just talking around with the poor people.

Really? Yeah, he's not even around that big. You have to have money to all right. Where's he getting off money?

Yeah. Do you still have any men yet Bill? Not yet, not yet. That's the next course.

That's the next course. Yeah, next course. Got to build up to that one. So the reason why we know there's a gun club, pop the press, we've got to be able to set up them at a different level.

I don't know. I'm going to get my little certification then. We're going on now. It's going to all nine.

Is your documents? You'd print it, he was off the deal. Yeah, it's my office. It's my office.

It's not going to be me. Go on! We got my little printed off certificate here. Really in Mickey right there, Unitable.

Really? Yeah. I won't say the gun club name because they don't always want that mentioned. But I'll wait a minute.

So whatever. The certificate of completion is hereby granted to Mr.BokBill hashtag number 2733. So basically I can shoot by myself and I can watch people who do not have their ARSO, as there always needs to be an ARSO there, but generally most members are already ARSOs, but it's only been there for a while. In order to get there, you have to have a holster licensed or certificate, because anyone, if I had a pistol already, I could go take it to the club, but I could not holster it because I could end up shooting myself in the leg, while doing some super-there shit.

So, you can holster a gun there under the supervision of someone who's holstered the qualified, but it doesn't happen very often that everyone has all the gear, so yeah, I booked myself in for the holster course, lucky enough, one of my mates lent me his gun and his belt with all his mag clips on it, and yeah, we all got set up and ready. Prior to that, a week before we did a pre-holst the course, if anyone wanted to make some extra practice, so I jumped on the chance of that, and it was probably about minus 10 in the morning, snowing, seven o'clock at eight o'clock in the morning, and it just got colder and colder each hour, it was all there shivering away in the snow, but having a crack in time, mate, learning all the tricks of the trades, and then I'll talk about the holster course. So, I mean, obviously you're going to get to this mate, but I'm expecting some wild wes shit, you know, like quick draw, quick direction, right? That's surely, that's what this certificate must give you that ability to be able to do.

So, there wasn't anyone there doing their holster course with a revolver, which you could do, most people have other styles of guns there. There wasn't too much quick, quick drawing, it's almost a now you're partially driving booting your foot down in the lessons, but you know, when you pass, and that's when you really start learning as well, when you're picking shit up by yourself and other experienced people. But, yeah, it was great. I'll go get a little training pistol here, and I can show you through it while I'm getting everything right.

So, he's already set up by a bit, he's already doing it. He's doing it. We're doing the course now, exactly. I might have to go get set up by that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I do it. So, I got my little training pistol here. We normally, how we started out, got a good, good instructor there.

Start out with your gun, empty your course, in your holster, to get it in your holster first. You take the mag out if there was one in there, charge the gun back, if there was a bullet in there, a bullet or shell in there would come out, dry fire downrange, just to make sure that it has come out. So, we've removed the, removed the feeding path of the ammunition, taken the ammunition out, shot it for double clarification, popped it back open just to look down, make sure the barrel's clear, dry fire, we're all good to roll. It's double safety, so if I'm retired enough, I've missed the first step.

I've hopefully popped off on the second step, if I didn't clear it properly. And is that something that everyone has a pistol? Like, you're making sure that, you know, all you stick away is where you've done all those steps, like that. It's something that you're drilling into.

You've got to set a cock in, you know, dry fire at the end of it. Just make sure everything's completely empty, just so you can't have a bad time with it. And obviously, from what you're saying is, some of these things might be a club or range rules, depending on where you should. Some of these might just be for your own mental clarity.

Right. And it goes the same for all rifles as well. Normally, you fire until it's empty and you'll get an empty trigger, pink, nothing happens. You know, you get a little click.

And that's normally your first indication, but you could have just shot a dead round, think you're empty, charge it, dead round pops out, you've got one live ready to roll. When things are charged, if it's, you have a lot of double action triggers, which could be non-charged, it's going to be a heavy trigger, meaning you can't just accidentally squeeze that trigger off. Once that triggers are, the gun's cycled or and shot, that other trigger has been set, so it will be a third of the weight. So, if you haven't cleared it right, you've got to die or something, you can put it away and you just grab that trigger, boom, it's gone after you could be doing that while you're putting that away, or whatever.

So some people, they're just going to grab their gun and just rack, rack, rack, rack, more than likely if anything's in there, it's going to be racked out first time, second time, third time, and they'll fire it. But they want us to get into a good habit of just doubling it and as we haven't got our qualifications, we need to be double and triple checking to drill it in, they want to see us being competent and figuring it out. But you should be doing it anyway, really, that when we're talking about guns, you can't be messing around with guns, you've got to really take everything to it. Anything, anything, anything, you're going to save the aspect of it, I mean, you've got to fucking have a down shore here.

Yeah, we always talk about the wedding, it's where they fire the AK-40-7 to get it, it's like there's no gun safety there, and that's why bullets spray everyone. I think everyone can have sandals. Yeah, I mean they're coming out again, I'm going to stay in the end. Oh yeah.

I want to be doing it like this, it's literally just fucking drops the gun away, and it's literally firing across everybody around, you didn't go on the course, we didn't go on the second course. Yeah, no, no. Sorry mate, you've got not fucking powers in this. Oh, he's never passed in that course.

But yeah, generally rifle shooting, especially at the range, you normally told to shoot, so you've finished, magazine out, fire again, and then you can normally lock guns open, allowing people to see into the chamber, they're walking past, oh that gun's clearly empty, it's not a worry. So, yep, we're all lining up, we've all got our pistols pre-checked, putting our holsters, and someone's watching you do that to make sure we're not just being retarded, because there are people who were on that course, who may not speak English very well. Yeah, let me just, how many people were doing the course with you in the day? We had 20, 20 participants.

So let's just, I mean we can break this down a bit, we had 20 people doing their driving test or something, we're just trying to read a book, just anything, there's going to be so many people there, are very safe and are very capable. So surely, it might not be the safest place to be when you're in this, like you know, like you could have some random people, should not be all guns in those 20 people. Yeah, they get 50 people, then chances of getting one. Well, I think I shoot something, so I feel like.

If anybody passed it, I have only 20 people, they don't have 20 people. Everyone did pass. But a lot of these people, they're already club members, you're more likely not doing this course if you're not a member. You can be an associate member.

Here's your guess. You could be an associate member and be a bit of a grey man, but likely if you want to put money into a course and do this, you're probably somewhat known at the club. I wish it cost well. I can't remember.

It was probably between 120 to 180 dollars, I think, around that sort of. That's a very nice bit, except in the end. No, we're out there for eight hours and there was about 10 or 12 instructors, so instructor per two people, which worked out pretty sweet. It's one person to talk.

Let's just say probably 18 out of, no, probably nine out of the 10 instructors were all wearing bulletproof vest. Yeah, right. Point guns, everyone. No, I got one that I got at you.

You mean you get this bit of paint before or you can call your guy at me? Yeah, it was all lined up. They got a little fresh, red spray paint line across the floor, who's about 15 yards away from a big berm higher than us. We've all got a little individual target in front of us.

We're all holstered up. Guys, steps in front of the line. The instructor, big instructor, who's been teaching law enforcement, military, wildlife, all those sorts of people that have holstered guns and he's been doing it for a long time. Really fucking cool bloke.

Give us all the jobs. Wildlife out here, you have wildlife and fishery, so their job is like, wildlife, please. Teacher, also teaching bears. They should be bigger.

That's too small for a bear. I don't know if you know much about this, but I know I always ask what I'm going to do. Yeah, because that's silly saying that. Right, so yeah, I bet I would have to have a zooka.

I'd have to have a zooka. Yes, I'd have a zooka. I'd have a zooka. Right, what about the pappas?

We always have a small guy. Maybe he could have a pappas. More guy. Yeah.

Super. What was it? Super. Super.

What was the name of it though? You know the classic or just the classic? I've probably got silly in that too many things. It was like one with the tube.

How far have you seen it? No, I didn't know you made it. I don't know what you mean. They like SP-1000s.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. SPX. I wouldn't check, but obviously we're doing this. What phone is that guy even?

We'll figure it out later. Yeah. Yeah, we're all lined up and got the instructor there chatting to us, giving us all the safety shit. We just start out, mag, gun, no mag, holster, and we've all got three or four magazines on the hip.

All empty beforehand. Everyone, don't do not load your fucking mags. Pretty much. So yeah, we go all there.

Got empty gun and empty mags. And we're pretty much just learning to draw from the holster. Kind of one step, bring it up, bring it to your chest, push it out, and then reverse it. Then go up the trigger.

And we're doing that for a while until we've kind of got that down. And then we're mixing it in, bringing it up, popping a mag in, bringing it out, putting it back, putting it back in, pulling it up, loading it, pointing it out, drive by it, repeat. We're all kind of doing that until, you know, whenever we've done it a couple of times, putting it back in, our instructor was giving the thumbs up when he was happy with what we were doing. Everyone else gets the thumbs up next stage.

So, someone put it on, look at you, just making sure you're good, to give you a little tick there, make sure I make sure. Not straight away with the clipboard, just visually inspecting us, making sure that our mags are going in right, we're holding the gun correctly, you know, we're not just putting our finger around the trigger, we're supposed to have it up here. Holding sideways. Yep.

All of that good shit. Just learning how to line up the gun and look down the side properly. Learning your dominant eye, if you don't know what that is, you know, loads of different things. Stance, it's the strong stance, you know.

Stance, as if he was going to throw a punch, would probably be what you're going to do for a pistol, you know. Legs shoulder width apart, little bit of a bend, but you know, if you're going to punch someone or get punched, you don't want to fall straight over, you're not going to have your legs together, you know, you're going to have a little bit of a candid stance, and just a little bit of an athlete stance, ready to rock and roll. It is like, it is like, you learn, it is like, you learn, it is like, you know, it is a lot of stuff, stuff, you know, you just have to go in it, do it in it, so you know it's. Some people know it pretty well, some people didn't.

I was probably in the pretty well knowing what I was doing, but you know, obviously it's like, you know, you don't want to fail as well, you're like, hey, 100 quid or whatever, so you want to get the most out of it. But obviously you can still fuck up. One of the hard things, when you've got your rifle, your rifle's out there, you're pointing down range. The end of the day, there's a safety course, there's no, well, we'll shut up out of you, so you failed it, so it don't, so I'm just safely shooting, that's the main thing, like, know what you're doing, no out of figure the problem, so.

But we've got. Missing the Tiger completely, you know. You're saying for a second, you're shooting, you're saying for a second, you're saying for a second, you're saying. You're saying for a second, you're shooting, you're saying for a second, you're doing 20 words.

Yeah. And, um, yeah, just check it, obviously with a pistol, you've got to change the mag, you've got to lock it back. These things can lead people to do this pretty easy, because you want to look at what you're doing, with a rifle, you can't really do that. So you have a lot of things where this moves around very quickly, you're pointing at your hands, you're pointing at yourself, pointing at your foot.

All these things have got to be addressed before you're doing it. Yeah. All right, mate, just look good, just look good. Put, you know, some people are trying to put it in their holster without level.

Well, you might be getting it nine times out of ten, but that's not fucking safe, right? Even if you know it's fucking empty. Obviously if it's empty it's safe, but it's a bad habit that could one day get your blast on your leg off or shoot yourself in the foot. Pretty quickly, as embarrassing that's gonna be, you know, you could be hitting a fatal archery, the whole range starts, you've ruined everyone's fucking course.

And then you die. And then you potentially die. Luckily all these guys have got huge first training a lot of military, all that sort of shit. But if you're lucky enough to survive, you're never gonna live that down and you're probably not gonna be a number anymore.

Pretty quick. Yeah, you wouldn't be able to walk back in the next day, would you? Alright, can I get on the next holster course, please? Let yourself, try and slits yourself in a 30-day day.

You're not gonna get anywhere, but you don't do any more courses, you're not gonna get literally shot yourself in a... That's where that thing comes from. It's what we're gonna do. Yeah, yeah.

Don't pardon the pun. Yeah. I'll have to ask somebody who's structured if anyone has previously shot themself before. That would be some good information.

But yeah, we were racking that up forward and back for probably a good part of an hour out of half. Freezing our dicks off. Not as much as the day before, so we have a quick little coffee break, we go back, and then we're filling our guns, filling the magazines up with snap caps. So these are dummy rounds, these ones are some fancy ones, plastic tips, no primer, metal case, so they just help you know what you're doing.

But that plastic tip, could you still be a projectile? No, because there's... I'm saying it's quite polite, you know, if you put it up like your face or something, I'll close the first door. Yeah, this is non-fireable.

Like we were firing these in our guns. But there are some real bullets that could be confused for snap caps. So there is specific ones you can and can't get at our range. I have some...

They're all completely orange, so the whole thing is orange, you know. But everyone had different ones. So yeah, we'll load nut mags with those, set them down and then we're doing the same thing again. We're actually loading, charging, dry fire.

Then the next time you charge, you're ejecting bullets out and on pistols, it rejects, and then when you let go of the slide, it'll reload another bullet. So it's knowing, all right, so one of the things will be, draw your pistol, load a magazine, and load one into the chamber. So yeah, pistol out, in, and pistol out, draw, put in, rack, ready. And you know, eventually you get back, so the gun ready and the gun will be putting the mag in.

It's ready, charge, fire on your own time. Then when we've done a fire, it could be clear gun. Clear it, take the magazine out, charge it back, put it in, dry fire it, open it again, check good. And then we also do a clear for inspection.

So mag out, pull back, shoot, pull back again, let the instructor look, quickly look down the barrel, look down the magazine path, because that the only place where a bullet could be fire. And then when it's been checked, he'll say, clear, fucking straight back in the hole, so we're all good. So do they come up to occasionally, mate, do you want to dare you call it? So inspection, you got...

Two for one. Sorry, two instruct, one instruct to per two guys, so every guy will continuously have that guy stand in there and watching two guys only. No, not all everyone's gun, but a lot of guns have a hammer on the back. This is a hammer forward, so it would not fire unless it's a double action.

But they don't want to see a gun with a hammer back in your holster. And you know, sometimes you get there, oh, haven't put that back. That's fine, I've noticed what I've done, stepped back out, hammer up, whatever. And that's what these guys are doing, they're making sure.

But yeah, they're there. So the main instructor will come out in front of us, do a couple of examples, showing us what he wants to do and how to do it, with the commands, and then he'll step off the line, and then give us all the command to go. So we're all doing the same thing, loading, shoot. So it might be like, all right, magout, load, I want you to shoot two rounds, reload magazine, shoot another two rounds, clear for inspection, go.

So everyone's getting out, load the mag, bang, click, bang, magout, new one, bang, click, magout. And it's basically showing, no matter how many times you shot a pistol, that you know it's clear at a certain time and you've known how to do it, and then put it away or show someone. And then it gets to the point where you're always knowing because you double, double checks, double checks. So everyone's forcing you into the good habits, like your literacy, it's just through repetition.

You're just doing the right thing every time. So then, you know, it becomes a learner. Exactly, but anything even skating, you know. Oh yeah.

If you tell yourself a certain body position or certain kind of book placement, it's like you really consider it, you're always getting a better algorithm. You've got to, you've got to, some of those things, like, I'm literally going to tell you something. Fucking do this. You're always better if you do this than you were.

Yeah. But it's like, you and your cat and mate, you're coming up to a red light, you start. When you've been driving for six months a year, two years, five years, ten years, whatever, you do not think about putting in the brake, your leg is putting in the brake subconsciously for you, right? And that's what this is, just the same thing.

Drilling it in. So when you're putting the gun away, you're not thinking I'm doing this, it's just open close, drive fire, check in, or it's been driving by again. And you're watching these guys, oh, hey, will you all look at my gun? Don't you want to have a gun with my gun?

Yeah, sure, they'll pass it to me or whatever, I'll have a shoot or I'll look at it, give it to them, they pulled it back, looked at it, dropped it, put it back in. While they're talking to me, they are, it's not, you know, you're parked up on your street, you pull up your handbrake. You're not thinking, oh, I've got to pull up my handbrake, you just do it. You've done it before, you've done it, you've done it, yeah.

You look down until you even see if you've done it, you've already done it, or you know, that sort of shit. You know, turning off stuff, it's the same sort of thing. So really drilling it in. And obviously because someone's inspecting it, there's a bit more on it, and it's a third real double check.

And so then we also went on to malfunctions. Some of these could be, you put your mag in, load it, fire, mag falls out. Or you go to fire again, nothing's happened. Sometimes your magazine isn't fully seated, but it'll still work for the first one.

But as it's not inserted properly, the second one will not strip it off and it'll just push it down. So it might not fall out, but your gun is inoperable, it's not reloaded, and you might not know what's happened, because you might not be able to see. So the first thing's for those, tap and rack. Pretty simple, tap, rack, fire.

Normally that will cover your general basic malfunctions. That could also be if you shoot your gun, you could have a dud round or a light primer strike, so it hasn't hit the primer enough to set off. Tap, make sure it's seated, always worth a tap. Pull back, it's going to put a new round in there.

So if your dud round's dud, or wasn't in there, that's covered two general malfunctions in one. Then after that, you could go into something where you could have a non-adjections so your bullet gets stuck in your gun. Pull back, same tap, rack, pull back, it's going to probably shoot out, or you can strip it. So sometimes you have your bullet on top of the gun, and just pull it off, flick it off, it's good to go again.

Then you have other problems where you can have a double feed for failure to ejection. So you've got your barrel of your gun, you have your bullet in there, you shoot it, when the slide comes back, it hasn't grabbed the bullet properly, so it hasn't pulled it out. So that's happened, and it's scooped another bullet and pushed it straight in behind that one, so you have two bullets. One of them is trying to fuck the other bullet basically.

And then your gun's locked back, and you can't pull your mag out, oh, you can't pull your mag out because of the pressure of that other bullet being pushed onto it. So what you're supposed to do, lock your gun back so you're taking off forward pressure off that second bullet. Then you can drop your mag out easily, that will clear your first bullet that's hanging, trying to be pushing into the other one, then you can charge it, or just give it a little shake. Next mag, bomb bomb bomb, you're ready to roll.

Then after we've done those, after we've done all that, we have to drive fire rounds, after about lunchtime, we move on to real fire. So we'll just talk about the amount of function today. What is the most common amount of function that happens in your experience? Probably going to be a not quite seated mag.

Sometimes most guns will have a mag release button around here. So when you grip a gun with your two hands, you might just press it when you're firing, because you're squeezing that and you don't know. So you've shot and you've released a mag a little bit, or you just haven't got it all the way in there. Sometimes with guns, when magazines are fully loaded, that bullet on top has the pressure of the spring behind it.

When it's fully loaded, it's going to be a strong spring. That bullet's going to be on the top of here. So when you push it in, you're fighting that spring pressure as well. So you got to be sure.

Yeah. And normally when you put an end of mag, some people line it up, put it in, and then slap it in. Sometimes people put it in, give it a tug. None of these, there's no preferred method.

It's what is going to work more efficiently for you. But that's going to be the most common. Generally, you don't really get too many misfires, i.e. The bullet just not going off.

I like prima strike or a dud. That'll happen. They haven't happened to me on any nine mill. It's happened to me once on my 45, about 600 bullets on my back to when I had it.

I've never had it on my two, three. Never had it on my 17. Twenty-two's, you get it a lot because they are very cheap. So they're mass-produced ammo.

Sometimes it will be a light primer strike, meaning your gun hasn't hit it that hard, not making it go off. So sometimes you can just load it again and it'll fire just fine. Probably not recommended to do on big calibers because it might just be a dud. It might not go off again or it might not have enough powder to even push out of your gun.

And then you've got a bullet lodged in your barrel. So generally, it's going to be a failure to feed. So it's either stuck in the magazine, the magazine's not coming out or not inserted properly, or it didn't eject for somewhat reason and your other ones forced in there. They're going to be your most common problems.

And if it's happened to rack, straight away fixes them. The guy there, he was saying he's been teaching other people for such a long time. He's been in the police. He's been in the army.

He just goes straight to the rack because he knows, he said, he knows every time that he's put his magazine in correctly from how much he's done it. This guy shot, he said, over 100,000 rounds. So he's going to know a lot more than what I do, knowing what he's doing. But if you do those two things, you're going to count 90% of those problems straight away.

You're going to fix them. But yeah, it happened like a double feed. That's more of a complex malfunction. Those have really happened that often.

Generally, for some things, you have to manually do that by accident. Oh, I didn't know my bullet can't help. Re-rec. And then you've pushed the other bullet into the equation, if that makes sense.

So you can't make that happen. So we would have to make that happen to simulate that basically. So what you do is you open your gun and you can see into your barrel. So we drop a bullet straight into the chamber.

Leave it locked open. You put your magazine in, pull it back and drop it. And that's scooping up another round and trying to push it into the chamber. So then we've got that.

And then he would say, fire it. Because when that happens, your trigger would not reset. So it just feel like a smooshy trigger. Would it ever fire in a situation?

No, because this to be able to fire with the hammer would need to be able to fire with the hammer would need to be all the way back and forward. Not necessarily all the way back forward, but it needs to be enough. And it wouldn't be enough to get a full cycle. And there is no real danger of that striking the other bullet off by hitting the primer.

Because there's not enough movement to create that force. So what's the thing with a backfire? What happens there? So back, I don't always hear the term backfire anymore.

Obviously it's something you'd have generally heard of like films and shit. You can get an out of battery. So you've got your bullet or you've got your gun. That's your chamber.

You've got your bullet. Goes in fire, whatever. Comes out, goes in, fires. Piss those and rifles.

You can go in and the slide not completely close. So your bullet is not flush. It's like that. And if that goes off, you will generally more than likely have a catastrophic failure.

Because that chamber is the only thing that has been made to take the pressurized containment of that cartridge. So everything else is not made for that pressure. There's no reason to. And that can happen.

That can send the glass out this way. Can send the glass into the receiver and blow that receiver up potentially. Sometimes it's just going to bang and flash out the wrong side. Sometimes it's going to shoot that round completely out.

Things like that, you know, people have been shooting for 20 or 30 years and they've never seen it, never had it happen. And then you could have people that have seen two or three of them or had two or three of them. And this happened more with semi-automatics because they're reloading themselves. So you are not always, you can't always look.

Bang, bang, bang, bang, every single time to see if it's closed. Some guns you're going to tell. Pistols, the slide drops forward into a specific place and it wouldn't be all the way forward. So remedy that.

You can just push that forward. Simple as that. Or recharge it again. Generally if that's happening, you probably got a really fucking dirty gun and it's not sliding smoothly back enough.

Maybe something's wrong with your ammo, but less than likely that's not going to happen. But anything like that is pretty dangerous. You know, you could burn your hands, have strap-knaw on your hands, a lot of these things. So if you ever hear someone having an out of battery, it's not a nice experience.

Some guns, glocks and things like that, they're a striker-fired gun. So they do not have a hammer. It is inside the bolt. So when it comes out, generally you don't always, you know, this is what I'm saying, you generally don't always get out of batteries.

It just won't fire because it hasn't fully reset. So a lot of the time you'll just go to fire and nothing will happen. You can just fucking ram your hand on the back of that guy and fire. It's not going to cycle because you stop the cycle of motion, but let's say a situation has arrived, you just push that guy forward, let it cycle.

Same with other guns. Well, action rifles, you're not really going to get that sort of stuff because you are manually closing it. So a lot of those guns, you're not going to have that sort of problem. And the only other thing really you could get that would have a problem would be an overpowered cartridge for the chamber.

You can get nine mows, guns that shoot nine mows, and that, you know, guns that are nine mows and shoot a plus, plus p round, which is not only plus powder, it's going to have a lot more power during that case. If you've got a nine mow, I've got four and other nine mows, you can pour all that power into one nine mow. That doesn't mean you're going to just have one cool nine mow. That's going to blow your gun up more than likely unless you've got a gun with a more expensive chamber for more high pressure grounds.

So you can have people. Oh, yeah, that gun, that rifle fits in mind. Smash your whole rifle's fucked, blown up, you're blown up, whatever. And you have a lot of interchangeable cartridges which you can have a free 57 Magnum and a 38 special revolver.

They're both the same sort of size revolvers. Same size cartridges. I've got two up here and I'll show you just for a comparison. So here we've got a 38 special and here we've got a 357 Magnum.

Can you guys see any difference between those bullets? I think I can see any difference. This just tops a lot of the right. So this is a Magnum, generally like a wine bottle, Magnum is normally larger, maybe not necessarily thicker.

These are the same diameter, same diameter bullets. This has got slightly high brass. I can put this in a 38 special and shoot it. If I put this for 57 and a 38 special and shoot it, it's going to blow up.

But I can put this 38 special in this for 57 magazine in the 357 Magnum because it is lower pressure. So it'll be just fine. And maybe even preferred because these will be cheaper. And there's not a huge difference in the weight of the bullet.

These are just going to be traveling a lot faster. You don't know. You just, I mean, I'm already that. You stick, you stick, well, it looks like a fits in this one.

It looks like a fits in this one. You do it and then you're going to fucking blow your handle. Yeah, you know, your guns blown up, blown up in your face, whatever, right? And these things, if you don't go to gun clubs and you're not very savvy, you go down your gun down the, down the bush where you're allowed to shoot.

There's bullets everywhere. Some bullets don't work. Sometimes people don't realise they've dropped a meter in the grass. People pick up bullets and reuse them.

So you can have Mr. Dummy over there picking up bullets and putting them in his gun, not really knowing what they are. Yeah. So really you need to have some sort of basic understanding though.

Some sort of base knowledge of bullets and gun, or even start heading to that rate. Just to avoid any accidents. Yep. Luckily in Canada, when you do your gun course, you have to learn about that sort of thing.

A lot of the time on every single gun you get, there is going to be a, it is going to say exactly what that gun is chambered in. Right. So if it says 9mm, that is it. And if not, you reach a manual and it will tell you if it can take anything more.

So, or it will have the higher cartridge on top. If that makes sense. So if you have a 357 Magnum, it will say a 57 Magnum. And if you know that the 38 is the same size, you're all good to roll.

But if you've got 38, it's not 7357. So you can get a lot of things like that where some people can run into problems. I've got my rifle, 2, 2, 3, 5, 5, 6. I can shoot 556 out of my rifle and 2, 2, 3.

Some 2, 2, 3, most 2, 3, you cannot shoot 556 out of unless stated. Differences or like 500, 600 feet a second, sometimes a bit more. Which can be a lot of pressure, potentially going up. But generally these things don't happen too often and they are generally known within reason.

And a lot of the time when people buy guns, they know they want. And if not, you know, what is this? Oh, this is a gun chambered in. So that's why I mean even just people are buying guns and sick, people are going to give you advice and support.

Yeah, and you know, generally I don't think people are going to be buying guns not knowing what a calibrator is. You know, there's probably a couple of people out there who don't really know what they're doing. But generally you normally get fairly clued up people. Yeah, that's it.

So yeah, for the general malfunctions, that's probably what you're going to get. And I'll just step onto the live fire aspect. So we had a little break and we were told to load up all three or four of our magazines. We've got 10 shots in all of our pistol magazines.

We pretty much just start right from the back again. So what we can do is draw your gun, load it, charge it, put it back in the holster. Without the 20 people there, there was probably like three or four different styles of guns, some of hammers, some of our some of safeties, some of internal safeties. So before my gun had to go back in, I had a decocker.

So my hammer would go back after I charged it. And I have a little thing I put down which would send my hammer back on. So that's how that was safe when I put it back in. So I'm going to take it out, flip that thing up, I'm ready to roll.

Some people's different. Yeah. And then pretty much was going like that. So you put it in, load it, and then it would say, I want you to shoot to unload.

Take it out. Do your safety, take two shots, put it back in or clear for inspection. And then you would do that a few times. And then it would be shoot three, reload shoot three, reload shoot three again, and then clear for inspection.

So it's more of just seeing how much information you can hold. They don't really give a shit if you fire three or not. They just want to see how you react to it. So yeah, shoot three, new one in, shoot three, drop new one in.

Clear. Yeah, good to go. And then after that, they'll start doing malfunctions. So how we were doing malfunctions here, say load your mag in your hoodie pocket or get your buddy to load one for you.

Anyways, taking a handful of snap caps, mixing them up with a handful of robots. So we don't know the order. All right, guys, I want you to take a mag out, shoot ten shots, swap if you're out of mag shoot five. And then at some point, we're going to get a failure and that's just, it's just not going to cycle and it's going to leave it in the chamber or whatever because it's not going to shoot again.

So it's not going to cycle again. You don't know when it's going to be. So you'll shoot. Oh, nothing's happened.

It's happened. Rach, oh, I can shoot again because I've just knocked that bullet out and put a new one in. Sometimes you might have two duds in a row. Oh, oh.

And you play a bit like that. And then we'd be doing our double feeds and shit like that until we're consistently clearing those. And yeah, pretty much carried on like that for the rest of the day and it just slowly got a little bit more complex, a little bit more complex. And by the end of the day, we pretty much let me add more towards the end of the life fire.

We had the instructors with the checkup checkboard out. And he was running through all the things we'd done but was actually doing them, taking them off or making notes, whatever. And at the end, we played a little. He was calling it battleships or whatever, but every one teamed up with the person to the side of them, shared a target and it's your one man shoots on the circle or whatever his tag is.

He's going to tell you roughly where he's aiming and then you've got to try and shoot his bullet hole. It's obviously really hard, but it was more of an idea on showing us how accuracy can get better with practice. So he was making a shot, I was trying to shoot his bullet hole, then it was my turn. I'd take a shot, he'd shoot my bullet hole and you run through that until you turn on 20 shots, which was really fun.

And he was asking us questions about the end. So who hit a bullet hole? Who got within an inch of a bullet hole? Pretty much every single person did.

When before that we were all shooting, you know, a balls like targets sort of thing. Some of us included myself wasn't even always hitting the balls like, or hitting sorry, the 10 inch circle, 10 feet away from us. But I was more focused on getting everything I'm doing clear and obvious. So no one's going, what could you do that?

I want everything to be like spot on what I was doing. I didn't give a shit about my accuracy as long as I was hitting the target. But yeah, to do that, precision target shooting at the end, everyone did really well and it just kind of honed in our skills. And he was just saying, you know, kind of aim small, miss small, you know, you practice more and more, you get better.

So that was really good. And then that was pretty much it. You know, we all kind of had a little clear up and a sit down and gave us all our certificates pretty much. How are the instructors made?

Were they pretty cool with some of the other stern one and another good cop act situation? Generally there's about two to three guys who are pretty stern. Two of them or one of them, they're on the military their whole life. They have not, they can't get out of it.

I really like this guy a lot. Some instances, you know, there might be people muttering along in the course while someone else is talking to him. He will be the first one to yell, shut the fuck up and it will be very intimidating and very scary. This guy's a unit, you know, but, respectively, if someone's teaching you a course, fuck unless and I'll get the fuck out.

People have paid for it. You know, there's a few times I went, shush, I'm fat, listen. You know, you don't want to listen, fuck off. More than likely the youngest one there, most people seem to be closer towards their 50s or whatever.

A little bit of an ex, 18 guys, two ladies. One of the other guys, high up in the club, not really a army sort of figure, but, you know, I think he's one of those guys who likes to call out the shots and be a bit loud, but also sometimes necessary around guns and shooting. You almost need to have that person in the back of your mind so you don't mess up. Then, you know, you have your overall ex people as well.

But a lot of the time we'd have the instructor come out, sail this shit, we're all crowded right round him while he's showing us on his training gun or his dummy gun or whatever. And then he's like, right, everyone get back to your positions. Here we go. And then I'll hear five or six guys going, what can he say?

And I'm like, we've already fucking nodded and said we fucking heard him and left. Like, why don't you guys just say, what did you mean? He'd nice this instruction and he didn't give a fuck if someone asked you the questions or not. He really didn't give a shit because he just wanted everyone to understand.

So I was like, why the fuck was you all nodding and saying yes and then asking your buddy what was the on about? Come on, what all fucking men here? Like, I didn't quite get that. I didn't know people were going like...

I don't know people were going like... I'm just giving you a fucking question question. Can you please repeat that? I'm going to say because of that.

Can I just check? I would not feel bad about that. Let me just get straight right. Why do this?

This is right. I'm just making sure I'm doing this right because I don't want this is a gun. Exactly. Yeah.

And there was a couple of people to say things like that and he was like, good question. Yeah, I didn't say that. And that's, you know, quite a few people needed that bit of clarity. Like, oh, after we do that, are we just going to put this straight back in a hole?

Yes, you are. No, you're not. You want the clarity. I'm going to say, I'm going to piss off.

I'm going to say, can I just set again? Can I just... I'm also going to get this one again? Why don't I ask you because I can dick off.

Exactly. Well, yeah, I'll dick off. Yeah. So that sort of thing was like, just is what it is.

And that's what some people... More people are like than what I thought. But, you know, I didn't need to ask, but I fucking listened. You know, if I was going to pay for something, I'm fucking listening.

Didn't we really experience it? So was it still brilliant? Not at all. It was a great experience.

And half of these people were just doing the course because they basically had to. Because they go and shoot by themselves, so they want to be that out. They want to be an arrow. But some of these people do not desire to do that course.

So they're there. There's a bit of an upset kid, if that makes sense. So why do I have to do this? I just want to come and shoot.

What's that? If you want to just go shoot, just go to the shooting range and pay till every time you go there. This is a club. So you get stuck in with a club and you learn.

If you don't want to do that, go to the range where you just go and shoot. People are there to clean up for you. You pay, you leave. You don't talk to no one.

Otherwise, they're fucking come to the club. All those instructors, the extras, they won't get paid. They would volunteer and to do that. So, you know, no situations.

You've got to be, you've got to pay your dues. You've got to be happy about that shit. So yeah, really cool. Really, really cool day.

I've got my little badge now, the H on it there. Just so everyone knows I'm holster qualified. Do you sell it on me? Do you sell it on me?

It's not a patch, it is a badge. I'll show you. Just like a... How do you wear it everywhere?

I wear it everywhere. I wear it if I ever get pulled over. I'll show them. I've got my little H there.

Yes, I do wear that shit. Look at this. But pretty much this face actually pops off. It's like a see through sticker with my name on it.

So every time I upgrade, you just peel it off and put another one on. I didn't know I thought we'd be getting a holy badge. So that's pretty cool. And then next month, it should hopefully have RSO right in front of it.

Go, mate. Shoot there whenever I want. Buy myself. Holstered or not.

You know, one of my buddies is pretty nice. It let me borrow my gun and holster and I can take it there and practice my shit. Have some fun. So I'm pretty happy with that.

But yeah, next month I've got my RSO course. Had to do the handgun to complete it. The RSO course is going to be diddied up between a rifle or shotgun and a pistol. It's pretty much going to be everyone on the course.

Range safety officer in each other throughout the whole day. So read the rules because people can join the club with their first gun they've ever bought that day to shoot. They might not know how any of it works. They've just got it.

So you're going to be the guy to go up there. Yep. You know, you can put your mag in or fire. I'm just going to make sure that you actually unload it before you put it away.

I mean, put it away. I mean, put it up in the gun rack because if we're going to go check out targets or anything like that, we just put the guns up empty and everyone can just go down and change targets. We've got flag red when it's hot, green when it's safe. That gets caught out by whoever is the range safety officer that day.

And as always on the Saturday Sunday, a designated range officer for the busy days. Exactly. You really know it's a reason. It's something everyone wants.

You know, you want to get that certification. No, I don't want to flag. So you need to know how the feng shweight of the gun's going to be. Every little bit of energy, like what can potentially happen?

All that sort of stuff. That's how people, as an involvement situation, I've heard it. Well, yeah. Exactly.

Go away from me. Barely. But, you know, those situations that happen there, I've seen someone shoot a shotgun. Boom.

And then he turns to the side, the shotgun went sideways again. Well, you know, it could have shot again. Sometimes you need people there just to play, you know, pointing that gun back down the right way. Just sometimes, shooting at you might shoot someone's gun for the first time.

You've never shot. And it just fucking jumps out your hands. You know, you could get someone's pistol, you charge it, and they've manufactured their trigger to be like a two pound pull, which is like a... You'll put your finger on it, so you could be going like this, and it's shot before you think it's on target.

That's such a cut. And you know, I'm sure there's certain guns you can't afford, but I think it's going to happen. You know, it's going to be too hot to handle a vessel with you. And it's like, I know it's a parable gun, but I think I'm really going to try my best to keep it in my hand.

And it's still quite funny. Oh, yeah. So here's a good one on that course as well. We're all standing around with our pistols.

I've never heard this before. Said, because we were doing things, I didn't quite talk about it, but we did. So one handed shooting, change hands, left hand shooting, strong hand, strong hand, and off, you know, we can. The reason behind that is more for self defence, but if this hand fucks up, what are you going to do?

Yeah, fair enough. What happens if someone shoots your fingers? What are you going to do? I think we're left shoulder, which is fucking terrible.

Fucking go about my rotational cup start. Like, if I did that, like, come on. Do you think you're in shoulder? Fuck.

Fuck. But, yeah, also basically. I'm trying to wait. Where we're changing hands safely, whatever.

Bit awkward if you've never done it before. And he was just, if anyone feels like they're going to drop a gun, let it drop. Do not try and catch it. Do not put your foot out and try and set all these guns.

No one here, because everyone's guns will up tap. No one here had a really old gun. All guns are drop safe. You know, they're going to be, they're all drop safe.

They're dropped hundreds of thousands of times when they're made as prototypes in the factory. And there are one or two guns out there that have problems and they're well known for these problems. And, you know, those guns aren't necessarily allowed there. We might not have them in Canada, but, you know, there are one or two guns that have problems in their, known for us.

So those guns don't be there. But in Canada, two years ago, Ipsykmat, so John Wick running gun, someone dropped their pistol. It fell around and they caught it like that, shot himself and they died right there in the map. Fuck me.

What way to go, right? Well, yeah, he did not. It was so well as well. I mean, it's true.

But the thing is... Chocolate times. Oh! You know, I'm one of those guys that generally catch your stuff.

You know, I just try to catch things. I quite enjoy trying to catch them. Let you say you will be the foot as well sometimes. If you're dropping a mug of the size of the top, you're putting butt out when you're trying to crush it.

So when you're pushing it, try and stop the smash. Yeah, yeah. But you're putting it as tight as you can. It's actually quite a bit of a...

Yeah, it's an interesting thing, isn't it? A lot of people borrowing guns, you know, probably 12 to 15 out of the whole 20 people will borrow when somebody else is pistol. Because they're all new in members and they haven't got one. Some of these guns are three grand.

Not pistols aren't cheap in Canada. You know, cheapest pistol you're probably going to get is over $1000. Not back in the day when they were legal. But when they, as soon as they say we're banning them, prices doubled.

In the shops and in the streets. Or online, where you can literally sell them. So you might be quite worried to drop Buddy from the Army's gun who's going to fucking blow smoke out of his ears if he gets some dirt on it. Because it costs three thousand and then he puts a thousand dollar up to con it and then he puts a thousand dollars into upgrades on it.

You're dropping someone's car. You know, like in terms of price sort of thing. You're messing around with something. It's like...