Hey everyone, producer and co-host Doug here. This is another Con exclusive episode. I hope you've been enjoying them. This one is a panel about the ghosts of Colorado and then an exclusive Q&A with Tomo Panaket from Dollhouse.
Well, start Galactica and Supernatural. They have recordings of the vampires speaking to them when they went up there. But I think the best piece of investigation, and I'll just like to read this, was this one. That's science.
But looking at how the vampire graves are qualified up there, because of the tree growing out of the grave coming from the stake, because of the thorny bushes coming from there coming from their fingernails. So the question we have when we went up on our trip was, how many vampires are there? Because it seems that almost every grave there has a tree growing out of it. Probably not an entire cemetery called vampires.
But in our investigation, and I think Baxter is trying to communicate. That already seemed to be OK. But then again, in 25 years of doing this time, sometimes we had the batteries that time. All the time we didn't charge them personally.
That is really creepy. No odd electromagnetic field. And that's another big claim is there's lots of weird EMF up there. Not necessarily.
No odd sounds. And admittedly, it's a busy intersection. There's a lot of houses, a fire department across the street. It's a really busy area.
So if you're in there in the middle of the night, which you shouldn't be, because you're breaking a lot. There's a really good chance you're going to hear some strange sounds. Maybe even people talking if the house is near life. It seems that the current ghost stories are only coming from, well, what we like to call ghost hunters.
No, like, call ourselves those hunters. Because we're not exactly. And starting at every grave in there seems to have the same problem that vampire graves do. Now we did run into one thing interesting online.
And it's, well, I'll just show it to you. We have these field report findings that were kind of fizzled. So we look into it a little bit more. And here in the middle, it says, Charles Largos and Michael Pizzix were sent to the Rocky Mountain Journal Society.
Us. Jack Charles Largos is Michael Pizzix discovered that members of the RMPRS, an abbreviation, I guess, knew the fourth victim. Ginger Brett and Wendy members of the RMPRS at the office had several theories to offer about the local vampire lore and possible suspect Eric Ballet talked about. I had no idea what they were talking about.
However, we do have some past members by the name of Ginger Brett and Wendy. This was disturbing me until I found out this is actually a scenario in an online vampire game. So we've made it into an RPG. We didn't know this.
And on a fun side note, we've actually made it into a romance novel. And we didn't know that either. But when you find your name inside of, and I'm not making this at the harlequin novel, yeah. We did die to investigate.
Yes, it is. Don't read it. Or if you do, read the book, make the baby cry. I cried just like that one.
Which of the nine is the report? Well, first two chapters are the point. The grave is the resting place of, well, we've got Theodore who died probably of influenza during the 1918 pandemic. And John who died in 1918 of, well, pneumonia could have been the pandemic we don't know.
But they both died natural causes. And the headstone may not actually even be where they're buried because the headstone was added decades later. And this is it here. So just because we have a Hungarian and a trans-Atlantic, we have a vampire.
We're not. Let's talk about you, read the judge. Yeah. Talk about it.
I would say a lot of people know about this one. Riverdale Road. It's very popular in this area. Yeah.
It varies in its popularity from year to year. It's kind of interesting. I remember about 10 years ago it was really popular. And then kind of died out and what do you do about it.
And then suddenly it's coming back again. The terrifying Riverdale Road. Whenever the ghost hunting craze really picks up, people kind of try to get into it themselves. And they have to go to a public location.
And well, this is a very well-known public location. It's an easy one. You don't have to trespass. It's not everywhere on it.
Also known as legend, going to these types of things. Trying to recreate the stories. So, Riverdale Road of all the places, and if you're interested in urban legends, don't waste your time looking at any other place. Just go to Riverdale Road.
It has every urban legend all in one place. And we're about to go over a lot of it. The Lady in White. Now, she's one of those phantoms side roads that it varies from teller to teller on when and why she appears.
But often she'll make cars crash and things like that. But yeah, the Lady in White. She's one of the first ones there. We have the Phantom Boy and the mystical bloody hand print.
They say that if you park your car and wait, this is sounding a lot like a certain pair of the twin tracks at this point. You may see the little boy end up with a bloody hand print on the window of your car. Can you clarify where this is? This is on Riverdale Road, which is just east of Colorado Boulevard from about 144th to 104th.
I had a friend who lived on that road. I spent a lot of time on that road growing up. Nothing ever happened to me. Well, then it's interesting because growing up, I heard nothing about it.
Like he says maybe 10, 15 years ago, bang, ghost stories everywhere. Well, when I was growing up, it was Tower Road. Actually Tower is a little farther east. Yeah, but that's where all this stuff is.
Tower Road and I was growing up. Riverdale, sounds creepy. It does. Where are you lives?
And of course. Yes. Are you coming to the cloud? What?
No surprise that more of you don't know about the gates of hell on the road. I thought that was a whole fact. That's actually just like her guitar. It's on the way.
I thought the gates of hell were in California. Sunnydale. Art is California. There's a lot of cases where I think there are lots of things around the states.
And doing a little research about the supposed gates here, we've discovered that the location of it is actually had a chicken coop, which has been there for decades. So it's the chickens. Well, you guys are sacrificed chickens. Well, that's true.
They're readily available. It makes sense. And of course, how could it not have an Native American burial ground? It goes without saying.
And where is there a Native American burial ground in Colorado? Colorado. Right here. Exactly.
There are few locations that were actually official, but most of the Americans were kind of nomadic and they just kind of dropped them and kept going. So all of Colorado. Now, we have the murder house and fire. And the thing about it is the story goes that this man killed his entire family and then burned down the house to cover the evidence.
And not to outdo the phantom hitchhiking girl and wife, we have a ghostly bride. I don't know if they're the same person or not, but they're talked about it independently. Phantom police officer. That one's a...
You gotta be careful because he's not always a phantom. But he's out there as well and people are thinking they seem... Do you remember what the back story is on that one? The back story and there's a few versions of it.
But basically it's this officer that was the only place he ever stayed at the new watch because well, so many people die on that road. Which is actually a kind of troop. It's a really curvy, unlit road with lots of trees around it. Well, a lot of teenagers go out there, a lot of speeding takes place in their fin.
I can't say more than expected, but a lot of wrecks out there. And because of that, a lot of deaths out there. But if you do encounter the phantom police officer, he may be chasing the phantom black Camaro that's been sitting out there. So we're having a phantom ghost at the police chase.
And the phantom black Camaro does like to play chicken. So you have to be aware of that. It's been one of the legends out there on how people are getting killed as they're swerving to miss the phantom black Camaro and crashing into a tree or whatever. But again, that's one of the legends that tends to be everywhere.
Then we do have a phantom hitchhiker too. He's jogging apparently. But unlike the woman in white hitchhiking, this is a guy. And same stories as the typical woman in white, they pull up.
He's not terrible. It wouldn't be any fun without some good devil worship going on. You could probably talk about this art fight. Well, of course, you've always got to have the Satanic cults and everything out there that are reported, which is a lot of fun for teenagers to propagate that one.
There was a finding out in that area that had nothing to do with devil worship. But the media, perhaps they don't know the difference. It happened to be a Santa Maria thing, where there was a cows tongue that was so shut and they opened it up. Somebody's photograph was in it.
And that was out there. And of course that, oh, it's devil worship. Not white. If you don't understand it, it's a ghost or a devil worship.
Or witches. So not a highway to hell? Not necessarily. Which is the devil?
In the minds eye of the public. Yes. In the reality. Not so rich.
I'm not even if I did say that. I know what you're talking about. Exactly. Ghostly slaves.
Because out in rural Colorado, there was so much slavery going on. But it's another urban legend that's been built into this place. The facts are, it was the location of a coach trail. There's no question about that.
There was actually a wagon trail that went through there. In fact, the house that we were called to years and years ago sat right in the middle of the old trail was. It was in haunted, but it had a cold history. A house burned down, nobody was killed.
It was just a house fire. Nobody was killing their entire family now. Many deaths have happened because it's a dark winding road. Most of these stories are based on traditional urban legends.
Now I do have one as a plate that's kind of an interesting one. Happened back in about 1968. There was a residence there that early in the morning late at night, depending on how you look at it, a car came creating into the family's lot, I guess, a little bit of a farm. And when they went out to see it, apparently somebody had decided to kill themselves driving down the road.
And on trying to picture the logistics behind this, it could be done, but it seems like overkill. This guy had raced down the road, put a shotgun in front of him, and blown his head off while driving down the street and ended up, well, parked in their yard, basically. But that is a new concurve that we have at the location. You always have to have a location like this.
You know, Denver's got a few locations like this that are just your legends. And sometimes these locations are at times such as Third Bridge is a great example. There are a lot of locations that claim to be at Third Bridge, and they all have the standard set of urban legends attached to them. And if you go to any small town, any rural small town, they're going to have a bridge somewhere that is haunted by a woman who, her children were killed by a drunk driver or something.
So now every second Tuesday on a full moon, she's out there walking and causes cars to drive off the bridge into the river. It's been very common when it's all over the United States. But everybody thinks it's their own. Everybody thinks they own these urban legends.
Well, another one is the Honek Railroad tracks. The most famous of the Honek Railroad tracks is San Antonio, where the story is a busload full of school children was by a train and they were all killed. And now if you park your train on the tracks like a moron, you have to park your train on the tracks. If you park your car on the tracks like a moron, ghostly hands will push you across the tracks.
And we've been there tonight. Yeah, I've been down the park the car on the tracks. And the fun thing is watching urban legends like this, when I was there it was about a 45 minute wait to park on the train tracks. A lot of people wait.
And it's like that every night. But it's great because they talk about how you can hear the screens and the way they go to the kids. I guess they were getting killed in the train. And if you go during the day, you actually can't hear children screaming.
They don't mention that there's a ballpark right next to it. And you can hear all the kids out there playing. But when you don't realize they're first to kind of straight out a little bit, you're your kids screaming and you're at the fabled railroad tracks. Isn't that one where you park your car just supposedly go uphill?
Yeah. Because they've tested that and it's actually... It's downhill. It's downhill.
Yeah, it's an uphill. It's an uphill religion. It's not that much of an optical illusion. If you drive up a look at it, you're like, this is not a hill.
It's more of a confirmation bias because you've been told so many times that your car is going downhill pretty much convinced it is. They were found out that there wasn't an actual crash that would crash there either. Also a transplant. The actual crash would be in the US one in Utah.
And probably nothing was one around here too in Evans. And so there's two stories being kind of melted together and transplanted to San Antonio. One of the reasons for that is that at the time there was a lot of media coverage of the event in San Antonio. And I don't think only that.
There are lots of streets around there too that have kids' names. There's Cindy Street and Bobby Street. And so people say, all those are the names of the kiddies who died in this accident. It turns out that there was an architect or group of architects who designed that area and those are the names of their children.
So there are lots of stories to explain why that story was transatlantic to San Antonio because they've read into place there. And luckily they have a spot that almost seems like a park your car on it and it magically moves off. Well then hey, there must have been something that happened here because that was a perfect spot for you to be transplanted. Well I did talk to the local ghost hunter who claimed he was getting fingerprints on the back of the cars.
So I asked him, how are you doing this? He said, well as the car pulls up I take a bag of flour and just throw it all over the back of the car. And after he's then bouncing off the tracks there's handprints all over the back of the car. And I asked him one question which I thought was obvious.
I said, so before the car goes bouncing over the train tracks, do you clean it? He says, oh no, fingerprints don't last that long. So the oil from your hands, every time you close the trunk on your car whatever, we're still there. And then you can see the car and the car and the car and invariably he's a thing of prints.
Have you guys been answered that? I've been answered that many times. Usually I'm driven by and if you're interested in the story about that, if you go to the old Rocky Mountain News website, one of the last stories that they ran was about a part series called the Crossing. It's a beautiful story.
They interviewed the bus driver and all this. Everybody wasn't killed. There were a few. But it's just, I mean it's this horrific story, this accident between a school bus and a train.
And then you know what happened here. You know up there there's really nobody knows about it so there's nowhere but in my time. That was what I heard. Like I said, I used to have really not heard that in high school.
But that happens in heaven. So I'm just trying to get it. I think it's a matter of, everyone seems to know someone. We know someone that was a bit of a lot of that.
I just don't know if there's a gravity deal there. I don't know. I see you don't actually move. It's totally or not.
Okay. Your car doesn't actually move. But people say it doesn't. It's pretty annoying.
We'll have to go check it out. We'll talk about cemetera. How do you hear of her silver cliff cemetery? We've got a few.
The silver cliff cemetery is famous for having these spirit lights. It's meant to be the most haunted cemetery in the United States. Along with just about every other cemetery in the United States. Right.
Every place that plays with me is the most haunted, whatever it is. Yeah. Where's it? Silver cliff.
It's down near West. But three hours down the Atlantic, West. It's not mining town. So there are these strange blue flames that were seen there, apparently back in 1880.
And it said that they were caused by a minus who were murdered. Oh yeah, they died in the collapse and stuff. Oh yeah, they're also claims those little girls who were buried in the cemetery. And the lights are caused by heard prisons.
Also it's a Native American burial ground. So it's caused by spirits. Yeah, there are lots of other stories about it. The miners actually have their little lanterns as they're walking through the cemetery.
That's what caused blue lights. Originally it was a blue flame. Nowadays it's becoming a red light. Green light, yellow light.
So there can be circles that can be flames. Lots of different, lots of different flames. In came your art class. Yeah, and it was that way up and coming up.
So National Geographic, people say that National Geographic did an investigation. It was a fully painted investigation into these blue lights. And in actual fact it was, I think it was back to 1969. But in actual fact that was just a travel piece about Colorado.
That was just a post script at the end of the article. The person who was travelling through, just sort of, just sort of, basically the cemetery. He saw the lights too, but he didn't, it wasn't an investigation. It wasn't a big deal about all the dismissions.
It was something strange in an otherwise beautiful place. Which is something that we tend to do a lot. We can't tell you about this article. It's been this huge investigation.
It's been an improvement to be haunted. And just that statement is what got passed around. No, he actually went and looked at the art. So I had to track down somebody that had the copy of the 1969 magic.
We've got a copy of it now. Yeah, and it's just a very, me image in there. It's not really tellable. It's kind of depressing.
Let's look at this little piece of art. So what are the claims? This is from the Incredible website. Yeah, unfortunately, like it says, Polish art was the scene of dance among the headstones, it's over to a centipary.
Many people have seen the lights in there, but they've been featuring the original geographic. And as you can see in the article, which they have in a little paper, but I believe this is truly haunted popular carnival sites in the United States. The fact is these lights have been seen by numerous people who have gone through it. Even though, not many of you have heard about this place, it does seem to affect a lot of tourists from other states.
Even people from overseas, my husband and I, there are a couple of times there are different seasons to distract the lights. They're looking at different other things in this thing. It's really popular. I'm just going to move them away.
But that's a big whole scene. So it is something going on. And this is the actual cooking for National Geographic. This is just a short mention of it in the 42-pig tackle.
So I'm going to read it from the middle of the book. It describes the lights. Yeah, let's see. I recall it right vividly.
The last time I visited me earlier, I called out a place called Silver Cliff in the wet mountain valley. West and Pueblo today accounts were, are accounts about 110. Year-round residents, let's see, go on and on and on. I asked about the lights in the graveyard.
I've seen them plenty of times. This is a good night for them. An night for them, overcast. No moon.
Of course, no moon is important. The moon affects your ghost. But here's a point in the cemetery. So with some research on this, it was actually a map called the Pre-Dayton, the National Geographic, one in 1969.
This is from the New York Times in 1967. And it describes the lights in a completely different way. The National Geographic talks about this being blue lights. And this art called from the New York Times talks about it has been a beautiful language state.
So it's starting to look like an urban legend. But in a two year period, we're getting different descriptions of what these lights look like. So we did do a lot of different research on our own, what could possibly cause this. And we discovered several different things.
We all have rods and cones in our eyes. And there was an extra set of other different cones that were discovered several years ago. In very low light conditions, they shift everything in the spectrum to the blue. So you start seeing more blue.
Now when you add onto that, something that's known as prisoner cinema, where basically, you know, if the sneeze really hard, if you close your eyes really hard, and open them, you can see different things, those are called phosphines. When you see stonks. Yeah. It's nasal.
Often when you're in a low light situation for a long time, you'll start seeing phosphines. And they'll start as little flashes. So if you've already got the spectrum being shifted toward the blue, and you're starting to see fast phosphines, and people sit out in the cemetery for a minimum of 45 minutes in a complete dark, because they said they won't see them before it. So they're waiting for a good 45 minutes to see these appear.
And then they do. And then they also start seeing all kinds of different colors and everything. And there may be some medical marijuana involved. Yeah, it is all around.
But the thing is, there's a couple of possible explanations within our own eyes that can be caused in it. We also went out there. We witnessed that sort of thing ourselves. We investigated the K-2-1s down in Colorado Springs, and we were stuck very far back for four days.
And while you see some funky things, when your mind doesn't know what to make it what it's looking at. Outside, at least there's a little light available, even if you're out in the middle of the room. It starts in the moon, and you'll get a lot of light. That's what they like you to have a cloudy night with no moon to see what you're seeing.
So we're doing the best time to see these lights. A lot of people go to a camp over the mountains and they're staring into the black sky. We can stop them for hours and it's true. We eventually do see something.
But then if you click back, why not? There's something else that's interesting. They've got these blue reflectors that are stuck out there. And when we were out there, we noticed that there wasn't a lot of light.
But we could see the lights from the town. If you can see the lights from the town, that means a lot of these really polished, nice headstones that they can reflect the lights of the town. They made a model that was a highly reflective. They really are.
So we thought, okay, well there's another possibility. But we still wanted to find out where this legend started. The earliest thing we had been able to find was the New York Times. And supposedly this is something that had been going on back into the 1800s.
We thought we needed to look a little bit further and something more global in New York. New York doesn't keep up on World Colorado. So we actually went out there as I said a number of times and we found that it was a look at a newspaper called the Wet Mountain Tribute. And it dates back to the 1883.
It was supposed to be posted in 1890. And I'm going to contact the editor of the magazine. I said, well, the new paper. I said, did you do any stories of this back in the 19th century?
Is it not that I'm aware of? The only story I'm aware of goes back to the 1950s. And I'll get a story last week about something. So I look at the story.
He was talking about the haunted lights. And it was a long time ago who lived there his whole life. And he was talking about how he'd seen these lights. He was the original people to see them.
And so the story is still around, still alive. So we came to this tip off in the 1950s. We went to History Colorado. We thought we're going to try and have a look at the archives.
So we went out to the university. We can go back to the 1950s. But that wasn't much information to go by. And we got great.
We got to be seen looking through the archives for days on end. And we paid dope when we found an article from 1956. This piece here. We came pointed out.
Little piece in the corner. There's a silver cliff cemetery. It goes back to 1986. Not 1880.
This was the very first time he had these lights. And they actually give an explanation right at the end. It's not too difficult to see them. But a lot of here, the author says, the most logical explanation, concurred in my mini, is that the give lines are reflections of the street lines in West Square, which cast a push to reflect on the tombstones of silver, even though they're over a mile away.
So it was very interesting that all these other legends out there say that they go back to the 1880s and use the original piece that used the explanation and just the stories and grown out of these. It's funny to hear how it actually started. A bunch of teenagers, right, and down the road next to it. A couple of guys, couple of girls, guys were trying to freak out the girls and pointing at these ghostly spirits.
The girls got freaked out. The guys scored. So that's basically how it started. It turns out to be reflections.
And that's it. We saw myself, too. We saw you on the Polish side. Our head started.
The cars and the distance and the styles as well. Any light you can see with your eyes was enough to reflect off these headphones. They were very shiny. It's a very small cemetery.
In fact, it's a beautiful place. I'm trying to purchase a small cemetery. I'm trying to purchase a cemetery plot there. But I've learned that the town is horrible around her keeping.
There's one person that takes care of the entire city. I have been negotiating with them for one plot, which in this town sells for $100. I mean, nothing. Next week makes a year that I've been in communication with.
And they don't know how many graves they've actually sold. It's snow and it's... It's about 20% capacity, so it's very sparse. Yeah, but they still say they don't know which ones they've sold.
And it was snowy and they couldn't get to make sure which one it was. Then they had to mow because the grass had grown too. Then the woman that I'm in communication with was in some sort of a horrific car accident. I think something is saying I shouldn't own a lot of the cemetery.
So I'm well, I'm still going to fight for it. But those of you that saw our talk earlier today, we do like to collect strange stuff. And I think a plot in Silver Cliff Cemetery would certainly be on that list. So the only part of the world's most haunted cemetery on that one.
So we wanted to make sure our presentation didn't go too long because, like you said, we've got 25 years of experience of investigating things around here. And a lot of places even around America. And we wanted to leave a little bit of time if you guys had questions about any place. Hold it in that hand, shot right on the ground.
I'm giving it to your panel and you mentioned that it was wondering if you've ever run in the same thing that you were able to follow. Yes, lots of things. And we don't intentionally go out to debunk things. It says as we're investigating, if we find bunk, we try to be it.
And that's basically how we roll. A lot of those centers go into places with the idea that they're going to go find that ghost and get proof of that ghost. And then we're already made up their minds. So it's called the lives.
Yeah, I got the advice of theirs. And it goes there. Or you've got people that are walking, you're going, there's nothing. This is the waste of time.
It's a stupid. So you've got the sink who for some reason like to call themselves skeptics. But that's not what a skeptic is. It's only a way to open mind who goes in and looks at all the evidence and then doesn't take any answer or takes value.
And that's how we try to be. We go in, not thinking about catching a ghost. We go in, not thinking about bunking it. But we ask questions and find out what the truth is.
Can you tell me the interesting one that you didn't really think about? Sure. Sure. Where should we start?
Let's talk about, well, we'll talk about two just off the top here. One was a private residence in Fort Hans. And they've been having all kinds of strange problems and this family was terrified. So when they called us up, they, let's say people don't know exactly rationally when they think their house is haunted.
And by something they can really terrify them. So they were all gathered together for protection in what they considered the most haunted room in the house. I think why are you in the most haunted room in the house if you're terrified of it. But that's where they would go to sleep and they were all sleeping together in one room.
So we'd like to try to recreate the same conditions when we're not there as if we were there. You see a lot of these ghost hunters walk in and they go blanks out. Well, if the person didn't have the experience in pitch blackness, we don't want to just throw the situation in the complete blackness. We want to recreate what they saw or experience their experience.
So we were trying to get these guys just carrying on their eating like they normally would. And at this time of the night, wouldn't you guys be sleeping? So they're like, well, we're terrified. We're not going to go in there unless Brian goes in there with us.
Now I know this sounds like the startup and house letters with us not. I will say that Brian he gets knocked. That's true. Well, it's interesting because when they said that I'm like, what am I going to do?
If the big green thing jumps out of the closet and attacks, it's attacking me too. But sure, why not? So throughout the night, we had different numbers of the family going in and sleeping. And towards the middle of the night, couple of them went in and went to sleep with the bad.
I was not happening to bed with him. So I'm sitting foot in the bed. But this is like, he was talking about this is one of the few times that we actually have all the lights out as well. It happened when he slept in and turned the lights out.
We do have cameras that can see in the dark. They don't see ghosts. They see in the dark. It's a big difference.
But the thing is, while I was sitting there, all of a sudden it felt like somebody was slapping the inside of the face. And I know that feeling. So the video, which we'll never ever be using, because I was looking like a complete idiot. I was just looking around and trying to figure out what's slapping me.
It's in the dark and it was just bizarre. But there's nothing there on the video. I can tell you I felt something slapping me in the side of the face. Now is there a logical explanation for this?
Possibly. I've been sitting up all night listening to these people tell me more fine stories about their house and now they've locked me into a dark scary room. Psychologically that's not that good. I've been awake for like 40 hours at this point.
Your mind is not your friend at that point. So there are reasons that may have happened, but there's really no proof of it. Right. So at this point I think one of these claims and stories, all you can do is offer possible explanations for the moment.
You can try and recreate what's happened, but often instead of one of being in, it's very difficult to actually solve. It's a positive, positive, positive. Well that is important. We know that you can't prove an negative.
So we don't claim any place is a taunted because you can't prove an negative. So I'm not an exact numpod, but you're not on it. But other than that, we really don't try to say, oh, it's absolutely not. How do we just say, you know there are logical explanations.
And we come down to it, ghosts have scientifically never been proven. So we're careful about what we say in that sense. But we'd have another instance down in Colorado Springs in a church. It was converted into a newspaper office.
Colorado Springs independent. And they had all kinds of claims of seeing a priest wandering around, hearing a ghostly choir scene or an angelic choir scene often. There's all sorts of interesting claims going on there. But about three o'clock, yeah, shouldn't warning.
Brian and I are sitting at the end of the long hallway. By my feet, I have a camera going down, facing down the hallway. At the end of the hallway, there's a camera facing back. In the middle of the hallway, there's another hallway that Chris Ross is at the top of the room.
So, and that would lead into the bathroom. So Brian and I are sitting there talking. And suddenly I see a woman walk across the hall. And, strangely enough, she wasn't in Victorian dress.
No, she was dressed in modern. She was, you know, a fully opaque and seepred. She looked like a normal person. And she walked right through and headed it to the U-M in his bathroom.
Well, the thing is, is nobody was there. We were locked into this building. There was nobody else there. So, of course, you know, we ran and checked bathrooms.
Nobody was there. Brian didn't see it. I saw it. So, we ran the video back to look at the cameras and talk.
They caught me freaking out. And that's it. That's all they caught in. So, again, three o'clock in the morning, we had been awake a long time hearing all the scary stories.
I had a burrito. It was very, very big burritos that was baby sized. So, there's no time what my mind was doing at that point. But it is one of those things that I simply cannot explain.
And I love those stories because they keep us going. You know, these old things that happen to us keep us going, but unfortunately they're not proofing of it. But you would be amazed how much fun it is when we do explain something. And it's as good as finding a ghost early when we don't.
Oh, this is what it is. We ended up learning a lot about science. Yes, we do. So, one second.
You got a question? Actually, my cousin runs a paranormal investigation equipment company. And I haven't had a chance to ask him, what brought you guys into doing this? Into like ghost busting?
Fear. Alcohol. Alcohol? Yeah, for me, it began as fear that turned into fascination.
And the fear was seeing the exorcist when I was 11. And so, I thought, you know, she was 13 when she got possessed in that movie, so I got two years. What about the alcohol? That was interesting.
Alcohol was because of what he was doing afterwards. The reason that I really got involved in it is I was always told that horror movies were fake. And then people were starting to say that this sort of thing is really happening. And I started looking at what, and this was back in the mid-90s, people were claiming where a group of ghosts.
And as I'm looking at it, I have a background in the photography. I was just blown away and like, you got to be kidding. I can explain this. So, just be able to figure it out for myself.
Kind of got into this for that reason. What did you begin to do? I think work experience with a group back in Australia, a few cuts on. I'm sorry.
I call these Australian skeptics. And this is back in the 1990s. And they wanted me to go undercover to a number of people who didn't do therapists. And to do an investigation.
So, I've seen all the readers and homiographers, different kinds of weird therapists. And I just went to see them and they gave me a diagnosis of all kinds of things. Some said I had cancer and a thyroid disease, all different kinds of things. And then I went to see a medical doctor who ran a number of tests and said they were all incorrect.
And there's nothing wrong with you at all. And they cleaned all of health. And so, I read about that for a rather than a exam. Since that point, I've just been involved in lots of different research into psychics and ghosts and all kinds of strange claims.
So, I've been doing that for as long as these guys. Go ahead. The lady was talking about that you saw in the church. Did you try to do any communication with her?
Was it like, oh, it was so fast? Yeah. So, how was that? Was it like a split second or?
Yeah, it was, she was like the crusty and the crusty. Yeah. What year? The garden, which you said she was in.
Oh, the modern. Yeah, she had 89. She had a skirt on. She had a, I believe it was like a peach colored skirt that went down.
And she had a glass, kind of loose, mini-floured print. And her hair was kind of a chestnut brown and just half her shoulders. She didn't have a lot of time to see that. It was one of those things where I happened to be looking right down the hallway, you know, in a mid-sentence with Ryan when she walked across.
And it was just, it burned. But you didn't try any communication with her. Hey, sorry. She was gone.
She was gone. I saw her with a hat. You didn't even know? We were at the Google tree.
Everybody goes over here. Yes. And so I'm sure it is in some respect. But we were at the same Nicholas, but we were at the same table with the Wiggle.
So we were leaving the Wiggle and the guards to show him in the south to the same Nicholas hotel. And we were just telling everyone I got to tell him everything. He almost slammed on the bricks and wrecked because he had a story that happened to him and he was sleeping. And he was giving me a detroit.
He was sleeping a little longer. And he felt a little tap on his chest. Like, boom boom boom boom. He was like, oh, yes, yes.
So he opened his eyes. And he was like, he was looking down at him. And she had a smile out to the stand up and walked right through the wall. And he sat up and he looked.
He sat there and said, I just wait for him to come back. And he said, I was waiting. I was waiting. I was like a half hour.
He was wrecked the guard until that story. I mean, that's what people needed. Yeah. Yeah, that's what my name is.
Yes? What about the Stanley Hotel? I hope we can go on for hours. That's what we're getting kicked out of here.
So let's just say that Stanley Hotel, we hold the distinction of being one of the only parental groups that is no longer welcome at the same table. It's been like, I don't have much one left. I'm happy that I'm not sure he gave me the speed. Yesterday, we really got through airport security.
And I was walking and screaming all over the place. Yeah, they had no idea what I was talking about. Again, we were back. We were slowly getting back to the same night.
It was a distance. I'm wearing it. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. So before we get into the questions, I just want to say, it's been a while since I've done a show that's been going on for a very, very long time. A family run. A family run.
Like this. Yeah. It's crazy. A generation of friends and family doing this stuff over and over again.
It's hard work. It's nice to see you. I like you guys. Very, very, very, awesome.
I really appreciate it. Yeah. Right. Nice to see you.
What is your favorite color? I think it's blue. What's your favorite color? Mine's purple.
Blue. Mine's blue. Blue. Mine's blue.
Mine's blue. Mine's blue. Mine's blue. Mine's blue.
It's blue. It's blue. It's blue. Alright.
Special. What's your favorite location? Pardon? What's your favorite place?
I'm a big driver. I like driving. I like to show you. I want to see as much in the world as I can.
I came up with a company that said I really want to go back. I've been to Tokyo twice. Yeah. It was a good, incredible place.
I came to Tokyo. I came to Tokyo. It's in Tokyo. There's a million people in that city.
But the Japanese are fast-ended. They're so organized and fishy. They're not way small as you can. You can see it like that.
They use even the circus everyday in restaurants. They need those from a renewable land. The girls are like a big band. They're like, we're band-ers.
They're organic and breakdown. They're talking about their body stage. It's fascinating. The architecture, there's a brand new, strong skyscraper.
Inching Chinese. Sorry, Chinese traditional temple. Right in the middle. Right inside.
The transition is just incredible. So, back to Tokyo. I'm not sure if you can check out the parts of Japan. You know what, once a week, you'll notice that.
It's a cold beer. Next goes, goes, goes for that. Do you want to go back? Are you?
Thank you. I had not. I hear it's a cut-off. I'll put it on the floor.
I'll check it out. Thank you, sir. I hope she's back. My favorite.