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EPISODE · May 28, 2020 · 1H 19M

#176 - Catch Up 105

from Modern Wisdom · host Chris Williamson

Jonny & Yusef join me again for another Catch Up episode. No agenda, no topics, just us talking about our lives & what we've been up to recently. Expect to learn what we think about Joe Rogan's move to Spotify, what Jonny's new morning ritual is, why Yusef is putting titanium stuff in his ears, why pigeons are having seizures and much more... Sponsor: Shop Tailored Athlete’s full range at https://link.tailoredathlete.co.uk/modernwisdom (FREE shipping automatically applied at checkout) Extra Stuff: Check out Jonny & Yusef's site - https://propanefitness.com/ Take a break from alcohol and upgrade your life - https://6monthssober.com/podcast Check out everything I recommend from books to products - https://www.amazon.co.uk/shop/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Join the discussion with me and other like minded listeners in the episode comments on the MW YouTube Channel or message me... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/ModernWisdomPodcast Email: https://www.chriswillx.com/contact Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jonny & Yusef join me again for another Catch Up episode. No agenda, no topics, just us talking about our lives & what we've been up to recently. Expect to learn what we think about Joe Rogan's move to Spotify, what Jonny's new morning ritual is, why Yusef is putting titanium stuff in his ears, why pigeons are having seizures and much more... Sponsor: Shop Tailored Athlete’s full range at https://link.tailoredathlete.co.uk/modernwisdom (FREE shipping automatically applied at checkout) Extra Stuff: Check out Jonny & Yusef's site - https://propanefitness.com/ Take a break from alcohol and upgrade your life - https://6monthssober.com/podcast Check out everything I recommend from books to products - https://www.amazon.co.uk/shop/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Join the discussion with me and other like minded listeners in the episode comments on the MW YouTube Channel or message me... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/ModernWisdomPodcast Email: https://www.chriswillx.com/contact Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Spotify paid what is rumored he hasn't said it spot by paid around about 100 mil for Joe Rogan and increased their market cap by 5 billion How do you listen to Spotify an apple device so like they don't care doesn't really matter what spot by do you like they get your room I'm when you're making 10 billion in air pod sales. So you listening to Joe Rogan on Spotify on your Johnny and you said from propane fitness.com. What's happening? What is happening?

You well? Very good with an extended sound check You guys crispy up you guys started shouting limerick sat me down there down the line. It was very interesting It's just because I am not the present plucker. I'm only as mate and I'm standing in for the present plucker because the present pluck is late I had no idea that that was what you're gonna sound check I just asked you to count to five that's like getting a six nugget chicken nugget meal and finding out that there's seven nuggets in it That's exactly what I do.

Okay. How do you feel about you know when you have like a pack of monster much? This is a very like year five problem and then at the bottom. You've got a ball of just pure seasoning I don't remember that I don't think that I've never happened to you Surely get it with like a cornetta or a flake 99 or the chocolate just pure chocolate That's something else what's another good one is when you used to have ice gems and then at the bottom corner of the little ice Gem packet that would just be some gems sorry some ice You know I mean ice gems are legit I don't think they have I think How much time do you spend in a confectionary either more time than you probably expect really you don't have a massive sweet tooth I I do well use not indulge it when we're out for dinner There's a really good picture of Johnny's meal from a few years ago We have an Instagram which was him at the end of the day realizing that he's got a certain ratio of macros to make up and Couldn't make it up through normal means and so it's what looks like a pot of yogurt with jelly tots in But in fact the perspective is wrong and it's actually a kilo of yocko with a multi bag of fruit pastels in it Not the double what did you not used to do so for double deckers as well?

Yeah, double deck yeah, Johnny Can you give me another like just a tiny little twist on your game bro? Just a little bit just a little bit Seth's moved his mic in so he's a little bit So anyway, we are so after that two-minute intro we are doing another catch-up episodes just catching the fudger finding out What's been going on number one on the list the biggest news in the world apart from the pandemic that's running right outside Joe Rogan moving to Spotify so anybody who doesn't know what's gone on Joe Rogan has signed an exclusive long year deal You'll probably three or four years with Spotify the rumored amount was a hundred mil now I don't know if that's a hundred mill a year or a hundred mil total But either way, it's a significant amount of money It's the largest amount of money that a podcast has ever been paid for a platform exclusive And I think that there's probably quite a lot of implications for what's going on here So I'll give you a little bit of background Rogan announces that he's moving the entire podcast to Spotify every old episodes will remain on YouTube on Apple podcasts stitcher Wherever else you tune in but from the end of the year it will be a new episodes will only exist on Spotify and Spotify going to create a Video platform exclusive like create a video hosting platform in the show well I'm presuming they will roll it out thereafter, but on Apple podcast at the moment you can actually create video podcasts Brian Rose break dancing We did it ages ago, but it rounds your your allowance your story jump here on your hosting platform So yeah, Spotify say that they're going to do that all the wrong and all stuff But this means no more YouTube it means no more Apple podcasts He will continue to upload some clips to YouTube on the JRE clips channel Which is good I guess for him for the searchability virality People discovering the podcast but full episodes the only place that you can get them for presumably the next couple of years at the very least Is going to be Spotify that audio and video and then they announced that The Spotify share price closed 8% up that night and then the next day did another 10% So Spotify paid what is rumored? He hasn't said it spot if I paid around about 100 mil for Joe Rogan and increased their market cap by 5 billion So that's a 5,000 times return 500 No 50 yeah, oh my god Million yes, I'm not whatever way to because it's America million and UK billion as well right because imperial measurements Yeah, I know how many is it can you tell me that old money, please is it in stone? Yeah, it's 17 pounds and four ounces So yeah, Rogan's made this move 100 million to increase your market cap by 5 billion no matter how many times that is I know that's a good deal Some of the other interesting things Spotify pledged to spend 500 mil on podcast acquisitions during 2020 now a big chunk of that's gone on Rogan, but I don't know whether you guys know that they bought anchor last year And Khaliva without you I can't I can't I can't I can't believe it I am caliva it I'm like the butter manufacturer.

Yes, and then it ain't bought every business that has the name anchor And care now every what is on care? So anchor is a podcast hosting Platform it's one of these new ones. So you guys are on Libson. No, you're on blueberry The one that no one uses that always breaks on all of WordPress uses never broken that's a lie don't lie Anyway, so it's similar to that But there's this new wave of podcast hosting platform like anchor and what they allow you to do is actually create and edit your podcasts in the web app So it's like GarageBand integrated into so you upload your single file You can clip stuff you can add in intros outros upload your Media library and stuff like that see that there's a lot of learning for that And it's it's mad that it's taking this long given where we are in the curve with podcasts for something like that's coming along I think this there's a lot of stuff related to the Spotify Joe Rogan takeover that is pointed out like how many gaps there are in Like really obvious gaps that you could easily take over I've got some cool stuff you guys to think about now.

I can't wait to hear your thoughts on this and also everybody that's listening I want to hear what you think this is a big move we are Myself John you're new so for a very interested in terms of both creators and consumers in the podcasting space So it's like it is the biggest news that's probably going to happen for quite a while Patrick bet Davies from value-tainment reckons that within the next five years. We'll see a $1 billion Podcast a deal which probably doesn't seem too ridiculous considering that Rogan's already managed to get a million Sorry a hundred million for his deal So yeah, what you get with these sorts of hosting platforms like anchor FM So to not get too sort of nerdy into it currently what most podcasts use is the RSS feed So you upload a file and then that distributes to wherever you're listening to this So it distributes to Apple podcasts and stitcher and so Spotify actually is one of those But the way that it works is it has a single file which is hosted which is unmovable and unchanging and then that gets sent out It's a syndicated to all of these different platforms, right? They're just an RSS a glorified RSS reader The what Spotify is intending on doing now that it's got anchor as this create anchor lever One now that it's got that as its creation platform They have started to introduce dynamically targeted ads mid-roll during podcasts So if you ever listen to True Geordi, this is why fucking hate and this is a big implication for people that listen to podcasts, right? Listen to True Geordi and halfway through they'll just be an advert for WH Smiths read by some fella like studio quality like Have you subscribed to your most recent edition of Gardening World?

Well, why don't you head over to WH Smiths today and get five pounds off with the code Man, this is a podcast that's just can interrupt anyone's podcast and put in their own advert No, no technically no, so what will happen and this is what I think will happen with Rogan Rogan was making somewhere between not including YouTube ad revenue He was making somewhere between 50 grand and 150 grand per episode on his based on his cpm He does about 150 million downloads per month He'll have discounts on the long-term deals people that's been within for years like stamp stock on the beam within for seven years On it won't pay as much because he's a partner there, etc, etc Bush cash app has been with him for forever. Yeah, I think squarespace as well or like wicks or something So what will happen? I don't think Rogan will be doing any more pre-roll podcast ads I don't think he'll need to spot if I might have even stipulated that he's not allowed to as a part of this deal But what you will potentially start to see if you're not on Spotify premium is that you will be targeted with dynamic ads put midroll Into the podcast and what this means is that we're moving from I saw this analogy online and this is kind of the bit I want to give over to you guys I saw this analogy on the on the internet where someone said podcasting at the moment feels like the internet in the early 2000s before everything was syndicated before there was google targeting and tracking pixels and facebook ads and retargeting and all this sort of Where people were just saying that looks like the sort of site or podcast that my audience listens to because being honest like Modern wisdom is now venturing into this world We've got every episode now has got a sold out pre-roll ad and very fortunate some of the partners I work with a lake old protein works fit book tailored athlete Reebok, you know like cute surf shop VPN big companies that are prepared to pay like great money to be there But they're just looking at me and going Yeah, yeah, you you look you look like young people. That's what young people like isn't it?

Give me a bit of the young people but that's not like that's not actually how targeting works and that's not what advertisers want Like using a fucking discount code to track sales Like what would you say Johnny if I was like, oh, they're not sophisticated format We have here is that someone's got to enter this particular bit of text Well, the worst thing about it is that like you're relying on the person reading out an advert for you You know, you're spending all this money and then the way that's delivered is you basically send someone a text file They have to read at the start of the podcast you think well That's like is that the that being said I think that so there's two types of ads There's dynamic and is baked in so the baked in ads of host host red pre-rolls are more expensive And that's because making a host put it in their own words converts better So me saying this is what I like about the protein works because I do this is why I enjoy the tailored athlete This is why surfshark vpn gets you access to netflix is librarian what I use it for bridges the gap between Yeah, it's not so jarring not just a dude talking about WH Smith Just like what's that the difficulty is that when someone's heard none of it or even like a baked in thing as you as you said And it's like oh remember to go to tim.blog forward slash wealth front forward slash tim forward slash five oh Like i'm driving i'm not gonna remember that you are out to go and Butch it but like to come home and also not only remember the url You even wanted to go and check that out whereas if you're on a platform You know if you're on instagram you'll be interrupted by an advert and you're just going click on it straight away and probably leave the platform If it's something you're interested in that spotify might have not only a dynamic Add that gets put in a particular sections throughout the podcast but then that ad might be matched with some sort of visual link That's currently i think i'm the only one out there three of us that's still on spotify if you're the only person in the world that doesn't pay for Spotify, yeah, but you'll have it you'll have a third party app i mentioned the blocks the other spot if three Yeah, there we go. Do you know why i know that it's because i have just finished the life act volume one ultimate life act list Over 200 life every life act that we've ever featured so anything that you do now I know it because i've had to go back through and write a little description of what it is you get release radar yourself Yeah, it's good. What is that? It's a curated playlist of stuff that you might like It's actually it's one of the most impressive things about machine learning and kind of algorithms that i've found because Like such a hyper portion of the songs in release radar I really like and it's not just like oh you like young people music so i'll put some of the young people stuff in it It's like it's really carefully done.

Yeah, i'd like a podcast reach radar Or like a disever weekly like really okay It's a selection so if you think about like i know there's maybe a list of podcasts in the moment people maybe i listen to a few Take it forward five years people probably listen to even more podcasts If you got a curated list of like here are the most popular releases from the podcast you typically listen to in a list If you just kind of work through as a playlist. Well the problem is joining i need you to put more gain on bro. That's all right Um the problem is that at the moment As a advertiser or even as a podcast i don't really know Who listens to this show i have an idea of who listens to the show based on the instagram dms I can look at the youtube demos because they go quite in depth because you got sign up with your full account gender Blah blah blah location, but really you're just like shooting blind and just hoping that the content lands with people and from a targeting perspective That's obviously quite a big deal. Um, so yeah, I just think I was originally kind of like oh god.

It's a big change. I don't listen to podcasts on spotify i prefer apple podcasts because it's native because it's very very smooth um Also losing youtube and losing the youtube comments on episodes Like I don't comment ever but I enjoy looking at what goes on and I like to hear how it lands with the people Um, but you know if spotify cedar and they're able to then create a platform which kind of reflects what's going on there I guess that could be quite fun. Yeah The more I think the thing I was most side about was the video the loss of video my mic okay How by the way lovely the loss of like because I quite like so for example at the latest email musk jurogan podcast I got I've watched the video i haven't watched whole thing but i'm watching the video run and listen to it and for some reason Grom does this mean that you can only watch the video on spotify platform or that you have to pay a premium uh jorogan subscription to see No, so you will you will be able to watch or listen to jorogan for free on spotify whether you have spotify free or premium However, I think if you don't have spotify premium you will be hit with dynamic mid roll ads Sure, so I heard rumors that the whole podcast was going to become a premium one Um, but I don't think that would be in his in his announcement about he says he stipulates that's not what's happening Right. It's yeah, and it's uh, I think from his perspective like he's getting a hundred million I don't think he's thought of this as a big like strategic move of the war between itunes and spotify and netflix I think he's just been like yeah hundred million.

It's just does that now exceed the value of what I would expect to gain from continue Because like at the moment his revenue model is hinged on production Whereas it sounds like we're spotify as long as you are exclusive to us and continue just enjoying like doing what you probably enjoy doing most in your life Then he's a hundred million but regardless of what you listen on I know you if you've kind of moved through a few different Podcasting apps but me and Johnny use apple podcast no matter what it is that you listen on now you have to listen on spotify So it's quite a big signal from them to just say look this is the size of our penis Our penis is so large we've taken the biggest podcast on the planet Not only if we because he was he wasn't even on spotify So if you go on to spotify now and search your rogue and he hasn't got a single episode except for the new trailer Which is like just a audio version of the announcement that you made on instagram And um like for them to say not only because we're zero to exclusive Yeah, yeah, and that is a huge move now from my side again Thinking about the fact that we're starting to slowly monetize this podcast and dealing with partners that I really love like Joe's just told the world how much value is in podcasting and podcasters like every podcast of it's listening Whatever you're currently charging for your cpm like treble it because rogans just what just said that he's worth a hundred million and made spotify five Billion in two days. It's a very smart move from spotify. It's very nice. So clever I wonder whether apple did account a bid or if they were just like oh bollocks like we've just lost Joe I can't see I can't see them doing it man.

I could see I could see him going to youtube Speaking to google and saying look I'm potentially leaving what you want to do Um, but he keeps on getting censored on theirself for instance. He can't stream other people's content You know, he's always like Jamie. Don't put that up. We'll get to our Jamie's always like don't put that up we'll get taken down and stuff like that Yeah, youtuber brutal and they just don't care because even Joe Rogan is just such a small proportion of their total traffic.

That's just like whatever Yeah, but i'm i'm surprised about apple not putting in a not throwing that height in that ring because so I just got a year of apple tv for free And johnny's mentioned how they've really like thrown in some really high profile actors and Just plowed budget into their stuff to really try and like catch up with netflix and with amazon tv I was a call amazon prime tv or something like so they're really aggressively diving into these spaces and for them to just Lose someone exclusively to spotify when there's this constant, you know the back and forth court cases that spotify and apple have where When you're serious stuff like that. Yeah, so because like how do you listen to spotify? You have to open the app you can't just like on what though an apple device so like they don't care Yeah, like when you're playing a martial league a spotify needs like it doesn't really matter what spotify do you like if they get your room And when you're making what was the figure i sent you 10 billion in whatever that's oh, yeah, yeah Airpod sales Mate wrap wrap your head around that thing. So you're listening to Joe Rogan on spotify on your apple I Really miss the miss an opportunity here And one day they could just be like, oh, sorry spotify is broken on apple iphones now.

Oh, what a shame Joe The guy sat in there in the rocking chair in the corner smoking cigar while everyone else has an argument It's just like like wins regardless Yeah, and then he just he just does this he just goes like that and then his driver comes over and then he leaves He just puts his hand in the air just one finger in the air raises it and then he departs and everyone knows He leaves the entire building everyone else disappears conversations conversations over. Yeah, the game is over Okay, so that's that's my thoughts on Rogan, man like I was real hesitant when it first happened and I put a story up Um that got I don't think I've ever had so many replies like hundreds of replies to me being sad about Joe Rogan changing Main reason I was sad was because he promised he'd never got platform exclusive on the show And like people's priorities change. I get that I just hope that it doesn't damage The quality of the content, you know, because he's he's my sort of podcasting role model He's the person i've taken the most inspiration from he's who i listened to the most consistently Um across time and I just don't want the show to be To be damaged, you know that people don't listen to him because of the fucking platform They don't listen to him because of the ads they listen to him because the quality of the content And if it's enabling him to put out better content, then i'm happy to pay the price Of a little bit more friction of having to use Spotify Yeah, well, it's it's kind of it's behavior changes and it's a As a consumer of the information because like something I've noticed over the past two years my my youtube usage is gone Like I would never really like sat and watched a youtube video before Um, but there are things now that are happily sitting watch like a 10 15 20 video What like um, and I think I can see myself. I don't use Spotify for podcasting at the moment or listening to podcast but Why do I like those by like those you spots?

What what's the tech friction that's stopping you from you? It's just like the UI like it's not as it's not as easy to navigate between podcasts Do you know how to get onto podcasts on Spotify? There's like it's in the arse end of your library in the back end of the tabs Like I want to dedicate Spotify podcasts app So I think this would be a good thing for the UI as well because if people start flocking to it There's going to be pressure on their development team to make it more user-friendly Because if like and considering how simple these apps are all to use if you're still Not wanting to use it because of that they're gonna have to make a change otherwise people as well billions of people using these apps Imagine the support tickets or It doesn't even bear thinking about does it Like apple have a support inbox They've just got a team of irish geniuses that G9 call gni that call you back. They do they love a phone called and they just want to get you off I tell you what so I'm I'm gonna start as I keep on teasing out and as Greg McEwen Redpilled me on my own show about blogging.

I'm gonna start writing and I spoke to medium So I went on this is so fucking mad right I went on to medium to register Chris will X just my social handle I'm gonna go on there went on try to register it. This user name is not available Holy fucking shit has someone taken my you like no one else wants that it's very specific went on searched 404 as I hang on So why is there a 404 error if I put medium calm slash Chris will accent email them ask for a support ticket within 12 hours They've come back to me and said actually because we're owned by Twitter when we started medium We registered every verified Twitter's handle on medium so that it was reserved for that person I can see that your Twitter account is linked to your medium account Would you like me to change that handle over for you? I was like fucking yes, bro. How cool is that?

So they're owned by Twitter Twitter bought medium about four or five years ago I love me just hear about like oh yeah uber bought KFC and Facebook bought what's happening like so the telegram have bought or have created their own version of medium Which is really interesting, but it's all obviously like blockchain verified and like super tech nerdy stuff People who worry about it basically. Have you been on? Speed voice messages are Perfect feature Signal have you been on signal? Super secure is signals another step up from telegram.

I'm like No, no, so that's wicker We heard of wicker wick Wicr so you can't have messages that don't delete after five days on wicker You can't take you can't take screenshots. No one uses their own the real name you have to have face ID to even access the app You can't turn it off like mate. It's like what's the incentive of the person's created that like let's make something like everyone puts They're really toxic stuff in and we'll just tell them it gets deleted like if I was gonna harvest people's data I'd go to that place. It's what Edward Snowden Suggested people use for messaging you know if you're in some water on country and you want to Get your words that organize a freedom rally or whatever it's supposed to do it's supposed to do it on on wicker Yeah, so if you were a government and you wanted to create an app that might warn you about uprisings Might it look something like wicker probably yeah?

Probably probably would yeah, um I don't know man. I've started writing on medium as well through the mobile app and now this I know it's total catastrophe But I just wanted to see what the what the writing process was like man. It's so good Like I'm gonna guess both of you'll have the app Yeah, it's not got the iPhone up It's worth it's worth just downloading just for like to have a play around on your next break or whatever And anyone that's got medium on the phone just press the thing in the middle at the bottom Which is like to create the writing experience is so beautiful. It's it's simplest thing in the world I was just like you can just tell it's made by Twitter, you know It's already using game if you're writing a blog post on your phone like but if you were a Like yeah, you're gonna get a Hook for hand as well.

So man who look like captain hook a captain hook Um you you're gonna get a plus sized phone next time is that right? Did you say that ceph you're considering getting the biggest green version? Oh, no, it's a smaller one small one. That was it no, but next time Did you not say you're gonna upgrade get the big one?

I'll get the iPhone 12 for whatever that is just the one of the best camera. I don't care about screens Well, I prefer a smaller screen. However, you know what's really annoying since I've gone from this is such a first-world problem Like this is like it's me iPhone 11 slightly bigger than iPhone 11 Pro I gave my mom the iPhone 11 got the iPhone 11 Pro, which is this one three cameras. Yeah, so that's it Just swapped over she needed a new phone so just a hands out you bought another hands out Yeah, like a three-way switch a route, but it's because it's like slightly slightly smaller It used to be that in scrub pockets the iPhone 11 like pushes it out and keeps it stable Whereas now because it's just got a little bit of leeway every time you bend over or flexi hips or anything It falls out right around and it just covered in covid just all over the phone.

You're like, oh great. So that's awful That is awful. So right. Okay, we've talked about Rogan.

We've talked about how cool medium is uh what's been going on in your lives What we've what we catching up about? Middle list of things. Oh, maybe list of things. This is like life three things three things that have happened in my life life 101 not a very interesting.

Well, it doesn't matter. I'm gonna find him interesting Well, we'll see we will see um I have been experimenting with morning pages Has anybody ever done that before by june Cameron like the method of morning pea you know He was on this but he was on the podcast on friday is it lady who julie Cameron five million books sold translated into 140 languages martin Scorsese is the testimonial on the inside cover of her book Judy you can ask about it. I can ask you about it. I can't wait the artist's way.

That's my morning pages is from yet So I've bought it and I'm using it every day Chris should we should we drop off what I've just said and then we can we can come back? Yeah, I don't think it's having the truth I'm not I just I just thought it might upset Chris because he bought me a really nice copy of the five minute six minute diary And it's just an end in my defense in my defense on your defense. I didn't buy you the response or the podcast and I got it for free So still it was a heartfelt gift and it was probably a task for you inside the six minute diary to give him to give you stuff a copy of the six I started reading it and was like this is this is actually really well researched Obviously had like enough momentum to overcome 30 pages of inertia But you don't start writing until page 60 and he hasn't got another amount of momentum You Know like you're looking at Dean soon as he's been on his face man, you've got to be caught in the like I think if you don't it's like someone who watches a magician They would trick you just the entire time thinks it's fake. Yeah, you know what I mean?

Like doesn't matter how good it is like no It was obviously it was an issue and you just I think you just look at it It's like it is a physical book that I have to use in the morning to write down three things that I'm happy about So I this may affect your explicit rating and if so, I'm very sorry But my flatmate the other like a couple years ago was like you said you come across as such a kind lovely compassionate nice guy But deep down you're just an intolerant cunt Yeah, I think that's I can't really disagree with that It's because it's it connects to well, it's the architecture obviously problem is the problem else. Stop. Yeah, okay. So morning pages You know how you're doing?

Have you created artists away creative process? Are you feeling more creative? So I don't I wasn't using it for that reason. I tell you how I heard about it So we interviewed a guy called Ali Abadal I think I'm probably mispronounce his name.

He's a Dot junior doctor with a huge YouTube channel He has a lot about makes a lot of videos about her productivity and that sort of thing He linked to a Tim Ferriss podcast where Tim Ferriss talks about morning pages of the side of journaling And it's this thing that you recommend to like set one get everything like it's like monkey mind out down on paper Before you move into planning or like coming up with a plan the theory being if you sit down like journal or plan your day But you're in like default setting in your OS You'll just default to like negative planning seeing downsides of things and being reactive rather than proactive So what from to be honest is not very many resources. I'm looking forward to this podcast from google and looking on YouTube. There's a lot of like Fairly average apart from Tim's video fairly average guides on how to do it But when I suppose when you boil it down you open a book and you just write whatever you're kind of on your mind for three pages Um by hand and you're just thinking oh, this never know but like people's I think there's an analogy of like that's like saying Um, I'm stressed so the way I'm gonna deal with stress is like drive down a mile drink loads of coffee Like the idea is you're slowing it down. Yeah by writing have to slow the process down So you do that arm ish approach isn't it?

It's the reason that the arm ish you're like fucking touted as productivity gurus Because they start to write everything we move a little bit slower than most people You know and it's always filmed as always like puts to a wide shot of them on the back of the cart behind the man riding on top of the horse We like to move a little slower here Fucking hell mate. Yeah, you talk slower as well. So I've never seen that reference at all Chris So I just was wondering that whether you're okay, it's in kind of a port's book man. It's it shows how much I pay attention Um, but yeah, so that and then into kind of a second journal in practice, which would be like planning planning my day um, I've been doing it long enough to To I think say anything negative or positive about it, but it does feel quite it does feel like you're kind of like a bit of the air out But you know like you kind of do it.

You're like, oh That's a bit better. I don't really know why but like you're kind of wake up and there's like stuff you want to just Then it kind of I think that's I think that's really cool The only the only challenge is going to be that like it writing handwriting three pages even at like a five must take what 15 minutes? So full disclosure. I've been doing like a page in a bit So like I'll frankly like to write three pages and then maybe this is an error to write three pages I'd have to almost like sit and fall stuff to about So page and a half probably takes like five ten minutes in like a little more skill most in thing Imagine how cool I know it goes against the fact you got right by hand But how cool would it be if you could just dictate it on your morning walk?

You know, I guess thoughts come up to be honest. That's probably that's probably just as good I think it's you're like getting a laptop out and typing it it does defeat the point a little bit I think well you want to be the point is that you just want low stimulus focus on that's going on Okay, that's a pretty cool thing to have started doing man And I'd timely given that Julie is coming on the podcast Yes, we can you know this woman five million books. She'll be by far the best-selling author I've ever had like she pisses all over Robert green That is so hard. I've only heard of it because of Tim first 1992 it came out right now.

What about my boy? Without it and some volume bro, which 1992 she's written 40 books and like almost all of them including the ones about prayer a best-seller Mental I'm like I messaged my mum about this morning because mom's doing a lot more right at drawing And I was like oh, I got this lady on this studio camera lady And uh she used to go out with or she was married to like some insane director as well at some top level Not my school saysy some top-level director as well. Anyway, moo. Uh, scobe.

What you've been doing anything Morning stuff. So I've set an automated script On mark to just keep Wi-Fi off until 10 a.m So that means that when I wake up Wi-Fi is already off. I don't need to like to do that admittedly There's been a lot of emergencies recently where we've had to have to undo that definitely tethering it to your phone Yeah, but uh, yeah So along it's not a similar vein of like creating a bit of space in the morning because I think And luckily we're in privileged position to wake up and be so passionate about what we're doing But you are just like pulling at the reins to try and get started with what you're doing But it's very easy then to just get pulled off into either the agenda of your yeah urgent inbox or whatever is the first task to come up But not actually to step back and look strategically at what you're doing So Like just to inject with an analogy, you know that you're on family guy where he keeps running into the chicken You know what I mean? Yeah, I guess Like he's like that's a chicken behind the car and then for five minutes as a fight sequence It's really elaborate.

That's how most of my days feel every morning like start off the plan And chicken just I think particularly this year has been like that so much And you know just because we've got more demands on on us in general and uh, so yeah, we're looking We're hiring out now. We're doing a lot more in terms of spreading that load, but I've realized that out of the Productivity principles of capture Review and do I'm very good at capture and do but terrible at review Me too, and that's where things start to time because you end up doing a lot and capturing a lot but it doesn't see The reason I think that you do that is because of the illusion of progress, right? You're like capturing feels like doing something doing is doing something by definition But reviewing just feels like I can get by without reviewing therefore I can do more doing That's yeah, that's precisely it. Oh, if I don't do more doing exactly like reviews gonna take you 90 minutes I don't have time for that.

Well, actually you don't what you don't have time for is 90 minutes of doing the wrong things Yeah, well, I mean this this hits the nail on the heads up I took uh Benjamin Hardy PhD the number one writer on all of medium was on the podcast this week Although the episode will come out in future because this is going to go out now I apologize for the the contralogical way that podcast world works But um he gifted me his genius blogging course, which is basically how do you get? 400,000 email subscribers from just blogging which he did in the space of three years is a monster It's crazy. And I did the whole course in a day yesterday and um like the main thing that he does is write the headline iterate it 30 times Write the subheadings as many as you can then the article will fall into place But for every minute that you spend planning you save yourself 10 minutes of writing and there's so many Like implications about just life to do with that, you know Like people that don't have a morning routine they get up and think that they can crack on with their day more quickly because they haven't prepped themselves in a morning It's like new It's like the argument that people give against meditate like I don't have time to meditate But then it's like the well this is the Dalai Lama quote, isn't it? You should sit for half an hour a day or if you don't have time you should sit for an hour Exactly.

I just like damn it. So that that's been the big lesson. So uh since we last caught up. Yeah Why don't you just use like so imagine what your blog is email mainly Or inbound communication inbound communication.

You're not fine. You need the internet First off sometimes, but I think sometimes I'm telling myself and actually and so this this actually does bring me on to the next thing Which is that there's a lot of stuff that I need to do Now daily to keep up with um with the social media strategy that we're following at the minute that has to be done offline because it's done online You end up with too many distractions and low outputs chris looks very confused I just thought that the whole concept of your guys's new social media strategy was that it was done in advance and then and then mostly automated Half and half What's it what's it? I've seen you replying to stuff more like you replied to tiago forte saying you don't need to like low key pretend that I'm one of your secret gurus or something It was like it was like but just not a sort of tweet I would have thought that you guys had done So you trying to do more automation plus more actual like viral organic like on it So I think you have to have a combination because um the platform wants you to play the game as it's intended to be played And so if you are always doing tweet threads, it's not really hard to it is intended to be you know It's meant to be 140 characters. So and if you always scheduling stuff again, it's don't get you're not interacting Are you you just broadcasting and if you know if you're not actually taking people off platform a lot It's also not ideal.

So it doesn't need it I think like I see it as the embers are the the scheduled posts and then you go in a strategic times of the day and you bulk respond Or you do instagram stories or whatever So creating that content in bulk I think has to be done offline and just sit down the same way that you write a blog post you know to write a lot of tweets Um, so that's been that's been my main shift at the minute and it seems to be working like the propane fitness twitter Have a look at it on there With we've just been it's just quite a nice platform once you get out of the weird corners of where everyone's just flexing about the Lamborghinis and Following a big chunk of people anyone that mentions coffee or cold showers in their tweets or like six seven figure That would be that would be if you had a Joseph's thing. Yeah, but it's so it's precisely that I don't have a Twitter. I'm too busy drinking coffee having cold showers Yeah, those are the real those are the real cold exposure motherfuckers the ones who are so cold That they can't even type. Yes.

I'm just in my brain stem So What are you gonna get with my podcast Chris? Oh fuck knows man. I met girl who works at the school of life Shout out channel. Um met girl who works at the school of life and their christmas.

She told me the story man Their christmas party organized by a land of botan Who is he's like owner and CEO as well? I didn't realize he's like everything to that company He organized and she was telling me just like a normal girl not really into self-development or whatever And was just oh so he organized this christmas party and this guy turned up and he had a beard and he made us do lots of breathing I was like Hang on a second Can I just get a photo up of a man with a beard who does some breathing and can you tell me if that's him please? And uh, she's like well, yes, you can do but I fell asleep three minutes into this like studio group work So you got the model I down on yoga mat So maybe 20 people and uh, so I'm like, okay Can you text someone who didn't fall asleep please and ask them if the man that gave you small group coaching was whim huff Texted them reply came back. Yes, it was like you fucking fell asleep to the number one breath coach on the planet She's like yeah, yeah, I was a bit hungover and we were going on a night out that night and this that I was thinking Oh Someone's parked a Ferrari in your back garden and you're like, oh, that's a nice new garden shed and you start like putting your spades in it And you're like, yeah, it's it's been it's been an alright.

It's a bit bit cramped, but you know it does the job He did it. He's done a new you know, they've seen the vice documentary at the moment. I imagine you both have yeah, it's quite a while It's a wise quite old he's done another one with a youtube channel very well than youtube channel I know for like discomfort and stuff so we just put some straight into an ice cold river with very little prep So like normally it's like three days of breath work building up your college. So it's like he's gonna be done We just they were ain't and put some straight into 10 minutes of an ice cold river in the middle of One guy's clearly like right on the right on the limit.

He's like looking concerned and we're just going or new So wins in with them is he wins in with them just not phased and these guys who like find the discomfort for a living and document it So mad have either of you guys heard of connor murphy Yes So he is a youtuber that does a lot of quite vapid videos that are just him going round a bit called like shirtless prank whatever So he's in like a fleece with some padding and then he's like he's wearing glasses And he's like those two these groups of girls and he's like hey So here's a picture of this guy like would would you pump or dump like and they're like oh I would pump and He's like okay. Well, she's actually here right now and they're like what no he's not He's like yeah if you just close your any six of his glasses and he like he's topless It's just loads of that but just repeat it so it's quite a like Silly youtube channel and he's been even posting us stuff for ages like prolific with it And over the last three weeks I fully recommend if you haven't heard of this Go and check this out because it's I mean it's quite it's quite heartbreaking really but maybe three weeks ago He's clearly had a psychotic break Um, maybe taken ayahuasca based on some of the things that he said and his videos have just changed entirely to enlightening my friend enlightening my manager enlightening my parents It's just a zoom call of him crying talking absolute nonsense And like I think the guy needs help but like people are commenting being like not being able to take a show off in public Do you want to come and say like maybe he doesn't need help maybe it's maybe he is the The arbiter of wisdom yeah, he is the help possibly have you considered that you might just be enlightening everyone with his his tears Maybe I mean this is that's one of the problems of Having a persona Tons and tons of people have personas it's fine Like if you want to go through your life and not do the introspective work and not deprogram all of the bits and pieces Like have at it But when you then have millions of youtube subscribers or followers online you you margin you leverage you've like entered a position and then leveraged it 50,000 10,000 times And you realize the persona gets much much bigger than it would have been and then the observers and commenters on the downfall are also like significant Orders of magnitude bigger That's so true. It's leveraging your trade, isn't it like having a psychotic breakdown is bad enough But doing it with like 1.7 million subscribers Oh god and his parents are just like conna is are you joking with us? Like I don't know what's going on Like we're proud of you and then it's dad just it's like two hour long thing and start just leaves halfway through Is we just camera on empty room Jesus Psychedelics one hell of a drug Pretty scary stuff the final boss in the last level isn't it?

Johnny you said you had you had three things one of them was one pages Oh, go on. I just just erased something first. Did you both see that Elon Musk talk about being red pill? Well, I mean, I don't know what you mean by red pill The cancel cancel culture one.

No the one where he talks about giving everything away. Oh, yeah, I'm joking away. Holy shit I'm not expecting you know, I like specorous Chris. He's the worst empty house trillionaire He's got a youtube channel.

He's very quite arrogant to the first segment of every video But very aware of the fact these are against his latest video is like can you believe that Elon Musk is trying to mimic me? Like this is unacceptable. But anyway, so you must give everything away. I just thought I was interesting You know what is reason?

Well, you'll know it but you so this is the most Elon Musk thing that you could ever say about why so Rogan's like Am I right in thinking that you're selling like all your cars except for a couple of Teslas all your possessions all your houses selling everything that you own? Then musk's like yes So why is that and he pauses for ages? I don't know whether it's because on the most recent Rogan He's like feeling a little bit anxious last time he sang to stock price Maybe he's just in a weird space like from work or whatever, but he's he's not flowing At the same rate he was last time he broke on Even that was like a trickle and this is just like a single drip once every 30 seconds He's so slow, which is kind of nice. It's considered and cool and interesting if you want that But it's not for a lot of people.

I doubt it would have been quite as engaging But anyway, he um, he's why why are you selling all of your stuff and he goes a Well, it's kind of I kind of see possessions as an attack vector That's a very long thing to say. Yeah, it's because he's just had R2 D2 and he wants to make sure that he's 3d2 that's what he wants next is it? Yeah, yeah, how he added like a 12 or something under the name and that's worth it to a bomber or a jattison something or a CIA secret project. Yes, it was it it was the predecessor to the blackbird or whatever it was The first iteration of the sun bullied You can have a jet pack anyway and the First one on Mars so what matter if you get bullied on it?

So um, when he when Joe asks him about because he owns I'd be really interested in having a kid because you you watch them learn and you realize that actually like the new on that ever The of an AI is really similar human brain stuff like by part He thinks you know, that's a weird thing to say but at the other time at the other side Like I've been thinking about that conversation about AI since I listened to it about a week ago Or whatever it came out because Joe's like, why would you want to mimic an AI? I remember the exact question. It's like why isn't AI trying to be like human and then he was like, well A well, you take parts of it, but you don't exactly duplicate it So like a plane doesn't fly like a bird or some reason swim like a fish You take like the underlying principle and make it more efficient in doing the thing that you're trying to make it do I just think when I hear you almost talk about AI. He's so comfortable with it About what is what I've been talking about his is what I've been talking about But his his when it's like hearing anyone that's an expert in anything that he evidently has to do a lot of work to take himself from where he is To down to the level yet.

He knows dives by 40,000 feet in a desperate attempt to use language Which is even slightly understandable to the cleverest people that are listening And it's that's what I think a lot of the work is that he's conscious of the fact that he could talk about like the Synaptic properties of myelin wrapping around like blah blah but what he actually needs to say is it's kind of a little bit like the internet Or like it's a little bit like you know that he needs to everything's an analogy that normal people can can understand He's just such a first principles guy. He's a motherfucker man He's such a motherfucker and the fact that you've been thinking about his conversation for this long Shows that it's like, uh, yeah, maybe it's never something that you hear at the time that you're like Fucking shit and it sticks with you for a long time That means that the person that said it is far smarter than you are and you have then been forced to reflect on it Yeah, to him. It's completely obvious. But let me like Yeah He's a but he's an absolute badass.

Uh, saffy been doing anything else any other stuff been happening. What's that? What are you going to add? So you're sleeping things.

I got I saw a team here. I saw a camera for them this morning Did you probably been retargeted because so yeah, I'm getting some really good instagram. I've had a minute You know, like they're all like that is like I'm talking about this Yesterday, I'm coming round to your idea Johnny that like, you know people like what Facebook knowing might whereas I'm like well Actually, if they get me cool stuff like this, you know, you know that you do know that you two have the same instagram Yeah, I know that's what's most impressive about it But you're like both of your interests are quite aligned like both of you would look at a pair of titanium sleeping earplugs and go Yeah, yeah, the only difference between me and Johnny is one's paid in one's organic, but like I thought one was one was arable one was erion is that not the difference? Well, yeah, one's sirean fire dry roasted and I think Carbonate one's paid and the other one tries to use ad credit vouchers You've got some earplugs.

What are they? So, you know, I was saying on the last episode that my neighbors have the loudest sex at all times of day The guy is kind of staly. I'm going at like 45 minutes at a time. Just like ramen the headboard I can only assume it's that it might be doing like the Joe wicks daily bash furniture around But yeah, perfect the titanium in the center is meant to cut out base frequencies and they are pretty silent So, you know what worries me about stuff like that is that someone's gonna sneak up on me in the middle of my head Which I wish I'd be like, luckily, I've got the shoe horn that you guys got me and it's the perfect weapon It's right next to the door.

It's a fun time. It's got such a weighted tip as well. I know Dean's got the same one man I'm from Amazon. It's got like a ring around it that sits on your eyes.

So do you either use my mask? We covered this on a life episode that I talk about my Shit, we're not this about thing. Tell us again. Some people Well, it's just so normally an eye mask is like presses on your face I mean you try and open close your eyes it obviously the eye mask was just against the eyelid movement So you become more aware of it more like you pull it off This one has foam rings that lift it away from your eyes so your eyes are free can move freely And then you basically just feel like you're in a dark room.

It's very strange I've heard something to do with how much dry your eyes are when you have an eye mask which presses on your eyelids as well because any any Moisture or whatever that's seeping through your eyelids will get picked up by you so it's gone and got is that the same one? Is that the exact one? It's not exactly very very similar actually Go put it on for us. You so wow What's the light seepage like like can you still see light around probably around the bridge of your nose?

I imagine if I move it down a bit then zero. Yeah, that is peak virgin. Isn't it pretty complete? Well, you know, it's also peak virgin Either virgin or long term relationship.

Yeah, no where it's all. I mean, that's both me and you that isn't it Velvet velvet finish. I can't hear it. Oh, you can't hear us.

He's on put his headphones. You don't fuck about one Yeah, so Yeah, and once you sleep. Have you been alternating tracking sleep quality on whoop? I must know I must yeah, I have the I must thing on.

Yeah, I've also been how I tell you about the four-secommatic racy Elixir It's a mushroom if it's from four second Add this to my shopping list. Hey, yeah, it's a it's a it's a I mean to be honest. It's a lovely it's like a hot chocolate But it's got mushroom in but you can't taste mushroom just tastes like an earthy hot chocolate that I think it affects I drink that and then I meditate and I go bad I think it causes low level like things to happen in my visual field when I meditate how soon after drinking it demeditate 10 minutes how long does something take to go from mouth to any area of the body which can absorb whatever's just gone into your mouth? You said could be from instant to Several hours.

I could maybe it may not be that I just think unless it's unless it's literally going through the capillaries of your mouth like subbing Early it seems unlikely that it's going completely agree. It's purely anecdotal that I think that might be what I've experienced I'm excited to try that man. I've been fucked in around with some serious supplements recently So jigsaw health that with a company that beng greenfield advised for magnesium supplements number one magnesium supplement in america Like very expensive. What not very expensive.

They're like the premium premium quality It's like buying the best of anything I suppose when you compare it with my proteins ZMA tablets or whatever You know like anything's gonna be expensive compared to such as exactly what I have Yeah, so this this stuff they have my guess R.T Which is slow release you take through the day So you take four of those three the day and then they have mag sooth on a nighttime Which is a pre-bed drink like a tart cherry sort of really really nice But the volume of magnesium that I'm getting in me is so high that I can't even track the actual amount on whoops So whoops maximum amount is 600 milligrams and I'm well over that because of this amount Shall eat shall eat shall eat I can't remember not sure It's a look so that and then they make this adrenal cocktail which is what's what's shall eat mean is that the When you hear people when you get into the world the magnesium world which is bigger than you think A lot of people talk about shall eat a chelated form of magnesium is being the best of a pre-sleep Which is what is in this it's not it's really legit so that plus I've got finally managed to find a good CBD brand And the most recent stuff that I've got is 10,000 milligrams So the concentrations in say it's like the most viscous thing that you've ever seen so that plus the mag SRT plus this new mag sooth Is just because why not you got nothing else to do during lockdown That and then adrenal cocktail on a morning also now doing NAD and NMN in resveratrol every day Interesting interesting impact on mood interesting impact on training output and The bits and pieces but fuck knows what's going on man, you know Fucking knows Okay, how about you? Well, well received well, um so the full breakdowns on our on the website, but it just Payable sorry is available on youtube as well. I'm sorry on youtube. Yep The site the site we have So the the framing of the question and actually every time we're asked about CBD people are like, oh, can you talk to us about the benefits of CBD?

You're like even in the question you framed it like you wanting it to be beneficial and Ultimately, it's a neurotransmitter that is gonna be that's gonna have a wide range of functions So I just talked through the data on um mood sleep anxiety like all these kind of these kind of effects and it The answer is really that it has some effect for certain problems, but it's new we don't know a massive amount about it and Personally, I've not had any personal experience I can't talk anecdotally. It's just some of the data on it But to be honest, I recorded it over a year ago and just uploaded it because someone was asking me about it So I think we'll we'll have to go back and watch the video to Let me see if I can speak to the company that sent this out. It's basically each bottle is Over a hundred it's 110 pounds a bottle of this stuff like CBD the magsudes magsudes much more What do you do you guys? Relaxation benefit from CBD?

Yeah, the problem is that because I received everything at the same time adrenal cocktail mags And yeah, and that like I have no way of identifying what's happening that pre-workout you gave me Chris Like I've not even touched it because it's terrifying Yeah, like blue raspberry pot. That's that's a that's a new topic. That's not a pre-workout It's endless endless Yeah, it's not something that I want to give away to johnny's mate who just loves pre-workouts and that kind of thing because There's no beta alanane in it. There's no Nitric oxide in it.

There's no like 10 grams of caffeine. I mean what's that kind of Other in it really what's the what's it because I imagine that's normally what you're almost scared of is the coffee The coffee there's loads of stuff in there that you're like who busy in all this stuff That you just like stuff that's given pigeon seizures It just imagine what it must be like to be bitten with this kind of knowledge that you have You know off the top of your head It's how it plays out reality. You pick up the tub you're back to go This is You told us about the other day where you found out it was the main ingredient in a Febreze Sickly texturing yeah, it just binds to all the smell So when you're in a hospital obviously like you've got the standard doses of stuff that you would give Like upper end of those doses. You're like, oh, that's a bit scary And sometimes like you had a guy in a cardiac arrhythmia the other day and you had very low magnesium on his like serum magnesium on his previous Blood test and we were like, oh, we should give him some replacement.

I think it needs to be IV max dose So I can't stop my something like 500 And so we like I called the cardiology registrar. I was like I want to give some you know 500 milligrams. Okay, like he's quite low and he was like, oh just slap in two grams Like two grams like this is you know, it says i'm like the formula like do not give more than 500 milligrams And you're like, okay, you're the expert but when when someone in their specialty is like, I'd be fine. Just give four times max I'm sorry.

You don't think like fuck I should record this. I should get this guy design something So I know someone that when they when to say D when she gets like dodgy advice from someone or they're dismissive She's like, okay, no problem. I'll just talk to me now. What's your full name and GMC number?

Okay. Thank you and Okay, and don't Isn't it the case that and this is something that keeps on being brought up by Ben Shapiro, which again, man I'm not I'm not gonna be a Ben Shapiro fan for the rest of my life. I'm not gonna be like an avid listener But fuck me at the moment during covid. He's such a great wealth of information Bro, honestly and the fact he speaks at two times speed means you don't need to put two times speed on which is you know, also also a good benefit Um, one of the things that he's talking about at the moment is this dr.

Fauci Um, who's the guy that's guiding most of the epidemiology for america being criticized for the fact that he says that reopening is going to increase deaths But there's a um, was it perverse incentives going on here because dr. Fauci if he says that doing something won't cause deaths and then some deaths happen He fucked whereas if he always errs wildly on the side of caution like no one is ever going to String him up for saying that people shouldn't do something then they're not doing it doesn't cause and the deaths don't You know, that's a very good point like if the economy collapsed you can be like well I was just given medical advice. So well that's also that's the thing that's the thing the point is that virologists epidemiologists public health experts Their job is not to get the economy moving their job is to try and reduce the number of infections They don't care about the collateral damage because that's not their specialty Like the specialty for I mean who is it is an economist or like I guess like an industry Yeah, well, just like all the policymakers speaking of which did you see trump talk about um injecting disinfectant? Yeah, so funny That's been kind of spun in number times Shapiro again has gone through that in in fairly big detail And this is the real insidious thing that's happening most of the problems that were caused by trump talking about either ingesting sunlight or this hydroxychloroquine stuff Which is now shown to increase or cause mortality because of cardiac arrhythmias Or cause mortality is what was so bad It was an awful cause yeah Yeah, but most of the problems that came about from that wasn't what he said It was then the media taking what he said extrapolating that out into worse things The guy's face people reading people reading what they'd said about what he'd said but wasn't what he'd said And then when you take something which is on the knife edge of potentially being bad advice And like use nefarious language to then push it well well into the territory of bad advice It's like that's your fault.

That's not his fault I mean don't get me wrong The guy says some idiotic and reprehensible shit every so often but You were the delivery mechanism for this particular fucking social virus The trouble is most most media outlets are profit driven and they just need circulation views and attention So like they're in their incentive is not necessarily to provide the best like most balanced Most researched piece of information, which is why something like that Like to me like that I think one of the journalists said to Trump while he was saying it like people aren't tuning in To these briefings to be given like speculative this might work It's it's like basic advice that you should be like advice that there's a political everybody Reassuring you're on it. You're doing the right thing. Don't mention like maybe you know You're looking at that aren't you? I bleach works isn't it?

You're looking at that aren't you? Like spins the the scientists who's like No, yeah And then like it's like if you give the media Some like a file a video file where they can snip it and make it look shit like that's what it wants Is the line the line between that and just deep faking now is becoming increasing I think that it's the A couple of videos of um they've labeled them as carons But I don't think anything actually called caron Going around like the states one of them's like sat in a car and she's like she's protesting I shouldn't have to wear a mask because Because it makes us are that you can't look at people's faces or something and and someone else was like going around telling people to take Off their masks in the street because They're like it's all just a conspiracy and actually like it's wearing the mask is what's weakening us all and it's killing our antibodies And and you're just like it's so interesting seeing like how this is playing out in different our sense of america How unfortunate is it if you're called caron? If you're listening to this and your name is caron and you're not a mental conspiracy theorist I want to talk to the manager, please lady with like a mullet I'm really sorry for you because your name caron and sharon have both been taken and just run with to be the epitome of that I want to talk to the manager, please. Yeah, maybe Margaret as well.

Sadly. Yeah Lesser with Margaret but caron It's not a really good clip. I think it's from I think one of you guys might send you where someone was talking about A patient who was complaining about not having that child vaccinated and and they were kicking up a first and and the doctor said to them Have you ever considered that the anti-vax movement was actually perpetuated by the Russians to weaken the health of the u.s. population And he said like the combination of these two contradicting paradigms on their head just exploded To go somewhere in the countryside in a huge barn big farm at the big farm and start there going to the big farm finally On our Instagram who you'll know who this is you so I'm not gonna say the name But a lot of his content at the moment is very like this is you know sheep go bar Like everybody's doing this because the government wants to stay inside and it's all part of a big And like it's just interesting you see stuff like that.

There's a lot of thought got into that viewpoint Like he's not it's not just like it doesn't see a sophisticated man Doesn't seem like cast off like our this just isn't as important like it's a very well formed or it's a very well thought out view And you think like it's just a weird thing to think about I'm going as far as to say that the current virus doesn't exist and like I mean Obviously for me it's a bit different because like it's like we'll just come to work with me one day and like you can kind of solve that I'll have that belief But yeah like the amount of but it's I think this is where emotion comes before rationality And so you come to the conclusion first and then with the emotion and then the brain tries to create and form Arguments to support that notion rather than the other way round and we all do it to an extent But this is like to the end game of I don't like being told what to do I think big farmers behind it all and I'm gonna create and find evidence to support that again I think I've told you guys about this that compensatory control mechanism that Matthew Syed had in the times to tell you this on the last episode This is like the fifth time I've dropped it on the podcast now, so sorry to everyone that's listening But john you need to have a lot of content to absorb that doesn't include this podcast Compensatory control is the um tendency for people in periods of uncertainty to find meaning and things which have no meaning So people at given an uncertain medical diagnosis are more likely to see patterns in meaningless static than those that aren't and this is replicated across a number of different studies And at the moment Matthew Syed's thesis Hypothesis is that and people would much sooner presume that this global pandemic is due to the plans of some aligned scientists than the chance mutation of a silly little microbe And having that paradigm in your mind compensatory control explains so much people just want to have a narrative they want to personify what's going on What's the so there's there's a reason behind this? It's like no sometimes shit stuff just happens Because there is a chance that some shit stuff will happen and this is the same what you're talking about there like people who have Slightly bizarre worldviews that are incredibly sophisticated is what I saw when I did that evolution and dating episode with rob Henderson And this guy came in and gave this fucking thesis length comment on youtube about oh no Sorry, it was when I did the one with Chelsea Ferguson from uh at my me.vip this big long thing about how I was Manipulating the female dating market by still being single at 32 and that Chelsea was setting a terrible example all this stuff It was like just crawled straight out of 4chan or reddit or me Manipulating the female dating market by being 32 and single yet in that I've tied up a bunch of Presuming that I tied up a series of other girls Relationship availabilities throughout the period of my dating history up until now by doing that I'd taken time away from a man who would have potentially got a look in had I not been with them Ridiculous assuming that assuming that the women have no free choice and can't decide what they want to do either Well, you if you want to be in a relationship with someone that's because Chris is such a hunk The bizarre thing is I literally couldn't fucking pay for it in 2020 so like That side um what I was surprised by was how how sophisticated it was He's got all different acronyms using all these different words. Oh, this is it's because of the the um sexual market value crossover point of the Of the the peaks state this childhood epiphany and like there is an entire body of work Underpinning what you're talking about at the moment and the sophistication is scary. It's like the same thing with flat earthers It was like they had they'd created ever increasingly elaborate models to try and work out why the thing was the thing that they thought it was Because it wasn't so it needed have you seen I can't remember it was before Copernicus's view about the heliocentric geocentric version of the universe And if you actually look at this it's at the top of chris sparks article that jordan air's loves about increasing complexity And if you look at the way that they presumed the universe had their solar system had to work There were all of these crazy interweaving Um like looping orbits that everything had to explain the fact that sometimes planets pass back and forth in opposite directions So the reason that that happens is because when you move quicker than something circling around something else You can actually see it go in a different direction But they had from above this net image of like what was that thing used to have as a kid where you'd draw not a scale x trick Do you know what I mean?

No, yes, but no It was like a you put gel pen on the end and you Yeah, you've just run out of battery, haven't you? Is it sounding when it's on your mic? Yeah, it's fine. Anyway, let's call that as the end of the episode We didn't even get onto Boris's announcement, but it was fucking shit It was 45 minutes of confusing hyperbole that didn't really explain what was going on and I don't want to work then you do and if you shan't then you can and if you get the bus then don't but if you go outside don't Don't go outside But stay outside as long as you want as long as you need to for unlimited time But but not if you have to work and you shouldn't go to work But don't take public transport.

I mean take public transport but where I'm asked about you Fuck off man. Honestly, anyway boys. Thank you so much. Where should people go?

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