#189: Product Marketing | Are Product Marketers Actually Marketers? with We're Not Marketer's Podcast

In this episode, Dave is a guest on the We're Not Marketers podcast, hosted by Zach Roberts (Founder of Break Into Product Marketing), Eric Holland (current Product Marketer at Klue), and Gab Bujold (Founder at Press X to Market). They sit down to talk about Dave’s journey in B2B marketing—from marketing manager to CMO—hosting a podcast for B2B marketing, and organizing Exit Five’s first-ever in-person event, Drive in Burlington. Plus, Dave answers one important question: Are product marketers actually marketers?We’re Not Marketers and Dave also cover:One way “frameworks” might hurt your product storytelling.Why you can’t just start a podcast in B2B without this obvious skill?What Dave said is “the most important role in B2B marketing”.Don’t tell sales “what to do”. They almost never listen. Do this instead.Why “messaging by committee” sucks.Good news! The "80% difference" to great B2B marketing, uses two common PMM skills.How can we (product marketers) simplify B2B marketingTimestamps(01:05) - Dave's Journey and Podcasting Tips (04:18) - The Importance of Product Marketing (06:16) - Early Stage Marketing Strategies (13:29) - Building Trust and Influence in Startups (20:24) - Positioning and Messaging Challenges (24:42) - Addressing the Decline in Win Rate (25:24) - Importance of Executing Positioning (25:57) - Casual Conversation and Personal Interests (26:58) - Messaging Torture Chamber (27:31) - Marketing Strategies: Brand vs. Content (29:14) - Event Marketing Insights (30:59) - Simplifying B2B Marketing (34:38) - The Role of Podcasts in B2B Marketing (41:23) - Conclusion and Upcoming Events Join 50,0000 people who get Dave's Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterLearn more about Exit Five's private marketing community: https://www.exitfive.com/***Brought to you by:Webflow - A website platform built for the agentic web, helping modern marketing teams build fully custom sites—no developer needed—that perform in AI search. Learn more at webflow.com/for/exitfive.Markup AI - A content quality platform that scans your content against brand voice, preferred terms, messaging standards, and AI-search readiness before it goes live, right inside Google Docs. Learn more at markup.ai.Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive. Walker Sands - An integrated B2B marketing and growth services agency that helps marketing leaders turn strategy into measurable business impact through their Outcome-based Marketing model. Learn more at walkersands.com/exitfive.Knak - A no-code, campaign creation platform that lets you go from idea to on-brand email and landing pages in minutes, using AI where it actually matters. Learn more at knak.com/exitfive, or check out the MCP server by clicking this link.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more