190 | Project Enigma

You are now listening to the UK and the world's favourite wrestling podcast, R.T.M wrestling with your host Andy and Emma. Who started again? Again. We are now fed into a lot of it.

We started the podcast and I started to rumble in so loud that we had to stop and ask for food. But now it's going mental because food's it. I still think it's going to be noisy. You're not eating like a dirty, so we had a pizza.

We did. We shared a pizza, didn't we? Delightful. Great stuff.

How are you? Ahhh! What I asked first. Alright, I'm just procrastinating.

Putting off doing it and doing work. The more stuff I can fill me day with that isn't what it relates better. But it doesn't mean the more panicking juice will be at 3-4 in the morning when I'm trying to get it all done. But you know, it is what it is.

Not a lot. You can do this there. There's not all you can do. Yeah, and the thing with it is it's stressful and it's that but it's okay, I'm here.

I think. I need to get my shit together and just get on with it. I'm a bit of a lot of elder ring. Yes.

The gas bitch about elder ring comes where it's at the end. So in the end it's rubbish. Oh really? You've got to the end.

I'm just re-pissing about. Caught down the mic then. I just had hot sauce when my pizza didn't make me go. There you go.

Yeah, I've got no idea where I'm at. I've got to the mountain bit but I don't know where I'm supposed to be going. What boss is? Because there's so many fucking bosses.

I don't know which one I should be eating next. Anyway. Yeah, I'm okay. Okay.

Good stuff. It was work. Yeah, yeah. How old are you?

Next order though. That was ridiculous. Sorry, it was my birthday this week right? Yep.

I feel like ages and ages and ages ago. Like weeks ago. Weeks ago. That I highly recommend.

It was great. Yeah. It was really fun. I've flied that for a long time.

No, it was so much fun. Sometimes you just need a stupid, you know, people punching at each other in the dick. Yeah. That's all you need at the time.

You do? She mutilate each other's private parts. It's absolutely ridiculous but it was funny. I enjoyed myself.

It's just what we needed at that point in the week when it was all bit stress-y. Entire. I thought that was a tie really with that. I mean, I was basically tiring and tired and it just gave out a tear.

Tiring and it did. Tiring. Yeah, so it was a bit, it was all bit stressful last week. So it was a nice breaking up the week thing.

We did also go and see the batman. Yeah. Yeah. It was what it was.

I just wasn't blown away. I did find it forgettable. Yeah, I can. I knew I knew as soon as I come out of it that if I was struggling to sort of recall what I'd just seen then, it's like 24 hours later I'd be.

Oh yeah. I'm on the wiser. It's not a case of like I wasn't following it or anything like that. I just wasn't capturing my imagination or attention at all.

I just wasn't feeling it. No, that's the thing I heard with it. I was just like, I kind of enjoyed it. I thought it was all right.

But I think that's the first time we've come out with a cinema where we've not really had anything to say. Yeah, nothing usually like really sparking and always talking, even if it's shit. If it's shit or it's great, we can talk about it. But the ones that are just like, all right, you know, you can't really, and that really was overwhelmingly all right.

And I went in thinking it was going to be. So it didn't like surpass or let down any expectations in any way. It was just like, okay, I feel it's like the same as when I walked in. Which is like, you're more into batman than I am.

Yeah, I really like batman. But I was relatively excited going into it because of all the reviews and the trailer's great. But then when you watch the film, you realise that the trailer is the film. Yeah, pretty much the entire film.

Yeah, it's just like, what the fuck? I know, I just, I don't know. I'm just, it wasn't different enough for me to, it wasn't, it was obviously a different style to the Nolan films and Tim Burton and anywhere from the fuck took over from Tim Burton. It was different, but it wasn't different enough.

Yeah. It needed, I don't know, I don't know what that would look like. It was always noir. If the style was noir, then it wasn't noir enough.

No. You know, I give you some. So you either go balls deep or you don't bother. Because it kind of just turned into, I mean, they said it on the film podcast, it turned into an action film at the end.

Yeah. Like, we have a disaster film. Yeah. So it's like, I don't know if you're going to lean into a new genre, which I think could have done really, really well, then you've got to do it from start to finish.

Don't just have like, you're doing a monologue over and probably through the streets. And then you're like, which really noir, and it's raining all the time. Yeah. It's like, that's not enough.

It's got to be, it's got to be a bit better than that. That's the problem with batman though, because it's too big of a property. So you're never going to get, because you know, action set pieces, family friendly films, but they do mean such a way. That is, you know what you're after going in.

I feel like this could be coming from my in an bias of the against DC. Just like I've got a really bad bias against WWE at the moment, just to pull into wrestling a little bit. But I feel like the DC films are all style and no substance. Mm.

And they're all like, you know, either a copy of Marvel, like with the Justice League, like they just popped up out of fucking nowhere. No, no pre no, you know, ground worker, anything, just like, fuck it, let's just do a Justice League film, just to catch in. And with batman, there's only so much of studios going to allow you to do. So the Joker, you know, with Rocky and Phoenix is a different thing, because the Joker, even though it's a massive character, it isn't the Batman.

So they can do more with that. You know, if Penguin, you know, the irony of this of this film is the spin-offs. So the Arkham sort of cop show, the Arkham Asylum Link's cop show, under the Penguin series are probably going to be more interesting than the film. Because if you put the Batman or Batman in the title, studios, I think, are going to, or the people financing these films are going to expect a certain level of film.

And what, where is for me? And again, if you want to link it to wrestling, you can do. For me, that level of like, no substance, you know, just doing something for the sake of doing something, isn't interesting enough. There needs to be a reason why I give a fuck about what's going on in this film.

You know, the end there, in case you notice somebody's not seeing it, I'm not going to spoil anything. But it was just like, oh yeah, that was just a Batman film. Yeah. And there was no point in that being there at all.

Four parts of it was really good. I thought all the actors were great in it. The actors, no, like, there's no one I thought was miscast. I thought they all did really well with what they were given.

It was just the film as a whole, really. Yeah, too many things to too many people. Too many villains as well. Like on a knock-eat track.

There was like three different fucking villains, I think. So it's like, right. And they were all just a little bit shit. But it was all right.

It was okay, just okay. For me, I'm sure some people hate it, but I was just like, just smack in the middle. Well, Batman was the first time we've been back to, we've seen him for fucking years. Yeah, Joker was the last time we were here.

So I really enjoyed being in the summer. I mean, I enjoyed being in the summer for Jack After Hell a lot more. Because I don't know about anybody else, but I've done this twice now, which is why you can never trust me personally to book a fucking ticket for anything. Because I thought, because we're older now, I don't like sitting near the back, because you see everybody else, you know, you other fucking woman in Batman next year, we're like a pack lunch.

That's just getting a phone out to see what she was eating. Yeah, child of phone over food, so she can see what it was all the way through the film. The first half of it, the first third of it anyway. I mean, what the fuck?

Show me. So like now I love sitting in the first couple of rows, because you don't see anybody else. The screen is like 50 times bigger. And you don't see anything that may happen is you get a sort of thrown at you.

But that, you know, is not happening since I'm like 40, but yeah, it's still a regress memory in the back of me. So I'm there on this oldie now looking to book for tickets, what I think is the front. And I'm second to back row. So what do you expect?

So there's droogs everywhere, like fucking cans are going off. You know, someone's got the fucking phone out eating the food. I mean, come on. But Jack asks, because you've got the tickets.

And they're not me. Like second or third row. Don't say anybody. You can just hear them laughing.

Perfect. Yes. The best place to sit. Absolutely.

Absolutely. So do you got anything else you want to go over from your week before we go into it? No, no. Let me have a little vape.

I'm not going to get into it. It's not, I feel like again, like we're most shows. I don't feel like we've got a lot down. But I feel like there has been a lot of news.

But a lot of it is just a lot of it I've missed off because a lot of it is just like, oh, this person has done this. Yeah. And there's not really a talking point there or anything to say. But I have kept a few in like that just because the, yeah, but I think the biggest thing I think I've got on here is ROH.

I'm not going to be there. I've got some sweets and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. Have we got some tangents then?

Or power to it? Or power to it, absolutely. You really go. I am your stomach's ready to buy the sounds of it.

It's ready to go again. No, it's just making a right racket today. Well, you've not eaten for a long time. Yeah.

You just add half a pizza with me and then it'll be, give it half an hour. It'll start digesting. I'll let's hope so. And then we'll go from there.

Don't let me get me locked up in front of my soccer radar. Put down at least X. Clean your specs. Get your specs clean.

Hi, Kirumba. And then we'll get going. Absolutely. Hello everyone and welcome.

Once again, Swati M Wrestling's episode 190. You can believe that in a week where Big E's Broke's neck, Golf Ziggler is your NXT champion, Page Van Zahn signs a contract on a dairy air and now apparently kids' choice award nominees mean something. We're here to talk to you about wrestling. So hello, welcome everyone.

Hope you're all safe and I'm Andy. And Jenna. And we're here to talk about the weekend wrestling for us. So I hope you've all had a great week.

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replies to me from the questions. Get us on. So if you want to, I think we've had a few since we've been chatting. We have.

Okay. Yeah, that's quite a good question. I'll save that for a bit later. So first and foremost, big E.

Oh, so obviously we don't watch WWE, but this is a big stock news story. So you've seen the spot on our secret spot. It's horrific. Are you so lucky?

So what has we come out and said, I think it's today, it's what I've got some really good news. All things considered, the C1, C6 are indeed fractured. Not displacement though, which is good. And I don't have any damage to the spinal cord, the aluminum damage and no surgery is needed, which I'm thankful for.

So apparently he's got a return timetable of eight to 12 weeks. Which is insane for a broken neck. But that's great news because it looked really bad. He got stretched out.

Yeah, awful. It was horrific. But that's the problem with putting people, I mean, whose fault is only a wrestler with no? But to me, it doesn't look like a big E-12.

It looks like Rich Halden's fault. And that's what happens when you put him in there with green people, but your NXT 2.0 is because it's not that watchy, but obviously I listen to the Albrez show. And every single time when he's like reviewing NXT 2.0, he says, I'm surprised somebody didn't die on this show. Because there's botches all over the place, people landing on their heads.

Jesus. You know, people flying out the ring and landing on their neck. It's just like, that's what happens when you get properly new people. And you put them on TV when they're not ready.

Yeah. So, well, I'm sure it's just one of those three accidents. You know, I don't know the history of Rich Halden maybe, as I don't want to experience wrestling, but I've never seen the guy, but you know, it is what it is. So all the best of a gig, hopefully you'll recover swiftly.

Absolutely, Paul, man. He's a good guy, he's a sweet guy. Because I watched the video and he's like, super nice. When I say I'll grade the people, the staff are at the hospital and all this kind of stuff.

We're going to stick with WWE. Gem. Yes. In an update that we're given to Wrestle Observer and quite a few other sites on the day before SmackDown.

Word was going around backstage at the legacy arena in Birmingham. That's something very, very, very dumb was planned for SmackDown. Do I know this? Yeah.

Yeah, everybody knows this. Everybody knows this. So the thing that comes out that was very, very, very, very, very dumb. On one hand, WWE have renamed Pete Dunce.

A Butch, which reportedly led to groans and frustrations backstage within the company. Obviously nobody from WWE has been able to comment, but there's been a couple of wrestlers who have talked to Twitter to say what they think. So we've got Matt Cardona, who's put my dad's nickname as Butch. John Silver, which I love that for a silly amount of time.

But you know it's all about the Butch, which is just fucking brilliant. And then Atley Price 9589, who's regular source, thanks very much. Lee, I put a love Pete Dunce, not sure who this Butch is that you speak of. So there's a couple of different ways.

I'm going to put my laptop down for this because it's going to be around it or it could be a five second or so. So it's got a whole different vision. Look at this. Do you want to go first?

Do you want to give what your feeling is of Pete Dunne being named changed to Butch? It's the fact that, you know, he's, I don't know, he tended to address a certain way. If they seem to have gone down the WWE version of someone in Peaky Blinders and really lent into that. Which was pretty strong, so.

Yes, that was that. They've done that before. So that's not necessarily like a surprise. And it's there for the taking for, you know, Vince, if it's popular in the US or it's not popular.

But Butch. But Butch. But Butch. It's called Butch.

Is it really Butch, right? It's just like a fucking dog. Obviously not surprise because when I listened when I heard that Jericho and Keith Lee podcast, I barely mind. I was only half listening to it.

But he said something about the bear claw thing when I'm sure I'm sure he said Vince actually came to speak to him during a Raw, like while Raw was happening. So one was like, Keith Lee, I've been to what to speak to. He's like, now it's the middle of Raw. And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what speaks here.

And he was like, tell him about like how important it's going to be for him to be bear claw. It's like, oh, you must do this. So I know like Vince is mad to the point of ill fucking leave the recording of his show to tell someone they've got on your name because it's just it's just I've just cropped up in his head. The lightning struck at the cut.

Yeah. Or he's gone. Yeah, maybe, maybe that isn't a great idea to call him that. Yeah.

Okay. And then he's just gone, no, fuck it. A match over to him and goes, no, that's what you called now. So it wasn't bear claw something like, but what are the reasons for bear claw though?

Yeah, but I don't think it came anything. I don't think it was anything to do with Keith Lee. No, but I think there was a reason for it, but I don't. I can't remember.

I can't remember. I can't say it, but it made sense in some degree when I heard the reason, but I can't remember why. I can't remember why like I thought, okay, well, fair enough, but it was something like to do with race or something. It was somewhat like that.

That was like an activist or some shit, some tenuous link to try and get himself older with the minority. But, but I mean, I can't see, I can't see, I could be wrong, but I can't see botch being anything over than henchman with a name like botch. I can't see botch being the champion. No.

I just see like with a name like that, you just sound like you're always back in someone up here as a champ. Yeah, do you, interestingly or do you know what Pete Dunne's real name is? No. Pete's England.

Oh, really? Which makes me think if Vince knew that, he would be called England. Yeah. Just for fucking shit, it's a good one.

Pete England, God. That's a great wrestling name. Pete England. Well, it's a bit on the nose.

What is his name? But he's still on the nose. You can tell why the change leads are done. Yeah.

What's your thoughts? I'm not surprised. I've done it. I do think the name is stupid and it doesn't make him sound like he's a wrestler.

It makes him sound like he's just part of the furniture. Yeah, which is. Like literally like a dog. Like you named him after a dog and he's now going to be someone's dog in there.

Yeah, shems his dog. Shems his dog. And then he'll move to be someone else's dog when she breaks up. Yeah.

It's too good of a wrestler for that gimmick. So I understand why they've done it. The reason, and I'm not actually seeing people say this reason, but I think the reason why they've done it is because they want to start owning their names again. So they don't have all this stuff with NXT when like some old Joe came in and all that kind of stuff when people were using their own names.

Yeah. They want to cut that out. And I've got an example of them cutting out via NXT 2.0 as roster list. Because I want to go through some of these because fuck me.

Some of the names are just like. I'm just unbelievable. But I won't go through too many of them. But like so for me, the actual they want to own names again.

But they're really bad at doing it. So you said something you think last night that was like, I hate these takes. But it's like, oh, I'm fine with WWE. I can't remember exactly what it is.

I'm fine with WWE changing people's names. I don't understand why people are getting so angry or something like something on those lines. And yeah, if you're going to, you know, from like our point of view, you know, we don't watch WWE. So changing his name doesn't really matter.

And to be honest, that is what my opinion is. It's changing the name doesn't matter. The difference, I think, you know, people getting angry about it is very silly. I think you shouldn't be angry about Pete's on now becoming butch because realistically, everybody who's getting angry about this butch thing, realistically, what did you think Pete's almost going to do on the main roster?

He's never going to do anything. He's never going to fucking do anything. They're never going to have him in a match like the same Pete done before. Don't know who he is.

Yeah, true. So most of the people, so they're going to start tweeting about if Pete's done as a match and he's trending and butch is trending after it, that proves that how the anybody who fucking watches Raw knows who anybody is outside of Raw or SmackDown, which is, you know, it's just true because the viewing figures would say as much. So at least he's got something that kind of puts him above the parrot. If you put him in a match on Raw and he's doing the finger snapping thing with the tape, yeah, then the crowd are going to respond.

So at least he's got that. But realistically, what did you think he was going to do? He's not going to do fucking anything. So him being called butch doesn't matter.

Now from my standpoint, butch is such a bad name and this is the issue that they keep doing. So they keep either renaming people or giving people names that are awful. Like who's come up with this? So I saw something today that apparently I don't know if it is because again, don't watch it.

But there's going to be somebody debuting called a kid as in the letter a and then kid. What's that fucking mean? Yeah, we've got like roster list and it's not got everybody because I'm sure there's a woman who's debuted recently, whose name is just so fucking stupid. But you've got like Andre Chase.

That could work. Bronbreaker is the worst name for a main event I've ever heard. The guy's a Steiner. Why can't he be called Bron Steiner?

Because then you just cash in off his name straight away. And that's somebody who they want to do anyway. Duke Hudson. Duke Hudson.

Joe Gacy. Odyssey Jones. Odyssey Jones. What the fuck is that?

Von Wagner. Von Wagner's been on role apparently. What the fuck's that all about? I'm sure that some of the women are not on air this list because there's a couple of women's names that I was just like holy shit.

That is the worst name I've ever heard. It was something like some of like Tate and Paxley or something like that. It was really fucking bad. But it's not so to kind of stick up for some of the people who get angry.

Because some of that will get angry because it's wrestling and that's what people do. But it's not the fact that they've changed his name. It's the fact that they've changed his name to the point where like you said, it's a job as name, butch. It's like the local talent.

It's like when fucking Braun Strowman or you know Braun Strowman, that's another fucking shit name. Well like Lesnar or somebody's like, oh he's got a match on Raw and the guy's already in the ring, he's got no music. It's like, oh it's butch. It's the local talent butch because they can't call him Nick Jackson.

Yeah. That's your name. Yeah. You know from back in the day.

But it's so bad. It's low. I think it lowers the entire product. So if Seamus and Rich Holland, you know Rich Holland is a shit name again as well.

But if they've like drafted in a new guy, and he's going to be a part of their group, he's butch like fucking hell. Well butch sounds like it's going to be a man who's a massive meat underneath that. Man's born underneath his hat that like people were fucking tweeting pictures of coneds in response to. He's got those braces on his pants.

It's like oh my god. All night. It's so on the note. Well another thing that it does as well is like because WWE right now, and we can talk about this.

We'll probably talk about this in a lot of the more detail with the ROH stuff because it's been compared to something else. But they are so blatant with everything though. It's it is the you know we used to joke about like a WWE use the Michael Bay of wrestling. You know telling you everything.

You know even though it's blatantly obvious what's going on. But they're even doing it to the point of their own wrestlers now. So they might as well go round them all and be like okay Roman Reigns you are no longer called Roman Reigns anymore. You are called main events.

Brock Lesnar is also called main event. You Pete Donner no longer going to be called Pete Donne. You're going to be called Jabba. And literally just name them all like that.

Yes. You know where you know not to get your hopes up. That's that's basically what it is. So the Pete Donner of you know the UK NXT stuff and these great matches and the fact that he was kind of training everybody in the UK NXT and all that kind of stuff.

Is like out the window because they've given him a gimmick that will not even get to you know US championship level. I'm surprised they're not changed Ricochet's name. If Ricochet was like six months ago. If that was like now he would not be called Ricochet.

I might have a name change. You never know why not. Yeah why not. It doesn't matter if he's been on the main roster he's someone else now he's got it.

They did it all the time. Yeah Gunther for fucks sake. Why for happens who I don't know why I'm asking this was an evil does watch it. Why for happens who Apollo Cruz with his new.

Shit yeah what was it? He's been a winnies African gimmick. You're interestingly enough I don't know if he has been released but I saw like a couple of indie posters of these round ups and stuff. I was like Timothy Thatcher is he got in NXT.

Yeah I thought he was. He's obviously been released because he's doing shows. Oh he was gone with one of those. All these releases you don't fucking know now when you go in your because they've released like about 100 people.

Yeah that's true. You think oh fuck I've actually released Apollo Cruz like what the hell are you doing? No I've been released him. I said look I'm having a good look at that.

Yeah I could do he was doing his Nigerian. Yeah I know he's got like that's where that's his actual roots but seriously like the accent was just insane to me. Yeah that's somebody taking the piss out of Nigeria. It really was it was it was it was mad.

Yeah it was like commander Aziz or something like that. Yes it was blatantly nothing to do in Nigeria. It's like oh you've got you've got a different skin color to me. Let's put you in an Nigerian faction.

Because he speaks to an American accent right I'm not made that up. Apollo Cruz. Yeah he was married in America. Yeah Christ um what was his what was his indie name it was like.

Got it yeah um like world or something like Uriah or Uriah. Uriah Nation? Uriah Nation that's it. It's about UHAA though.

It's how it's pronounced Uriah. I think so. Uriah. Uriah.

Uriah. Uriah. Uriah. So I don't I can't actually know I think he is just still an EWE.

Yeah well I've not seen any like highlight videos or anybody talk about him but again he could be on the show and I would know. Nope I know. But yeah is is butch gonna be a big deal for Pete Don? No because he's not he knows he's not he's not he's not done he knows where he's gonna be at as far as the EWE goes because Vince is determined to anything triple-h touched be just fucking like just burn it to the ground.

So if he can make a go of orch a maybe big tag team champion at some point he's gonna make a decent amount of money. Yeah. And this is the thing like I know a lot of people who listen to this show don't watch WWE anymore but I know a lot of people do watch it as well and this is another example of if you don't like something don't watch it it's dead easy because like you know I've got into it with somebody the other day if I like NXT and you know people not giving 2.0 a chance it's like okay I understand what you're saying from that situation is that if you're a WWE and I said this a couple of months ago which got laughed at by a couple of people but if you are a WWE fan like an actual fan you should watch NXT 2.0 because that is gonna be your main event is it's not like NXT before where it was great for a wrestling fan it was great and you had your Nakamura's your Finn Balor's you know and all this kind of stuff they are not gonna be you know they're not the wrestlers that they want anymore you know Nakamura's fine for you have the token Japanese wrestler on the card and if you're gonna get one that's the one you get but Brombreaker is legitimately gonna be a main event at some point whether or not he gets the heights of Rova Reigns are highly down with a name like Brombreaker but this NXT 2.0 is gonna be a lot more satisfying to watch in the long run for a WWE fan because you're gonna see people like Duke Hudson you know Dewey's gimmick and it's gonna be on the main roster as well so you're not gonna get Kerry and Cross and then he's gonna turn up in a gimp mask without his without his manager you're not gonna get Keith Lee and they're gonna you know they turn him into Bearclaw or whatever the fuck it is or Adam Colby the manager if he in the state yeah you're gonna get people going from NXT to WWE to the main roster exactly how they were in NXT 2.0 so it's more satisfying in that respect because you're never gonna get disappointed which NXT was always a constant disappointment because the shows were so good and then you get you know five years later and the Superface Sami saying is a heel and he's matches against Johnny Oxwell you know a lot of people would look at that and say that's a fucking great spot because that will be the one that has the most eyes on it yeah because really outside of outside of WWE who gives a shit about Brock Lesnar over Reigns again like nobody no one no but that one that no not so much will get headlines yeah absolutely especially to do something in it which is mad which he will do yeah you know does that you got Logan Paul having a match you know that will get more eyes on it than anything else you know I don't know if people that ask about Pat McAvy but maybe that will get more eyes than anything else Austin coming back get more eyes on it than Reigns and Lesnar so you can argue in those situations like have people like Owens and Zayn and Balor done really well yeah they have but they've had to eat a lot of shit to do it and if you don't like watching it then you don't watch it because I don't feel like I've missed out like you know I think Balor won the US title like a couple of weeks ago Ricochet's near the continental champion you know all things that are like great for them but you know Ricochet apparently won the intercontinental title of the championship because Knoxville interfered and he's like okay yeah I've got a good crowd reaction brilliant good for you but they're gonna take it off him yeah 100% so really it doesn't matter but it shows the level of respect and the level of detail and the difference people might not fucking like this but the difference between any other company and WWE wants to own it stars in entirety and they don't care if like the Samoa Joe thing you can change my name to Joey Samohe or whatever whatever the fuck you want to do but if you call me Samoa Joe I'll make money for you now not in six months time right now but they don't they don't actually care about that what we care about is owning all their intellectual property yeah so what you've kind of got to look at wwas it's long term for some people but I did learn something I said which we'll go back to in a second that was a very real very real possibility about four months ago which completely slipped under the radar what yeah you're gonna remember this yeah yeah I'll go to it after this and I'll get your thoughts on it as well it was it was apparently a program put together but I'll tell you a minute okay um so what the way way you've got to look at wwas is I don't know if you know where you guys live you have like a local wrestling promotion or something like that well here it's future shock it's like the stock was no longer is the stock all on and future shock always did a show where it was like a one-off and I've heard loads of things through America do this as well where you know like indie shows where the book is show it's a one-off show and the people on it can be whatever they want so the origins of the del housing character came from being on one of these because he was kind of he was just a normal wrestler then he went to like a gothic kind of horror wrestler and then he did this old school wrestling show where he did the horror character but in a comedic like vaudeville type role and that's what's turned into del housing now right um so that's the way you got to be with it if you like wrestling if you like these professional wrestlers and you've watched him in other shows you've got to treat it as if they're on a show now where it's just everything's math and he's like oh you know I really liked your shinsuke Nakamura when he was in new japan and then the NXT shinsuke when he was a champion or a fantastic and then he comes into the main roster and he's just pissing around with a guy playing guitar you've got to kind of just look at it and go look yeah because it's no ww and it's fucking well so to go back to that apparently about four months ago again according to the observer guys it was an extreme there was an extremely high chance of a w signing Randy Orton no way yeah because his contract was up about four months ago and he had conversations with a w she's a sign with them and the idea so he's been told by like people inside ww and a w that are closer on the on the idea was that Orton was going to come in so a w as the wwe guy so we got boots a fuck so we had like wwe style matches where like really slow and nothing happens so the crowd it would be such a you know a different sort of thing but yeah that nearly happens that's what it is if it's all to run do but you know it makes sense i mean he would be the last person i'd say you'd be tempted to leave now award six months ago if it happened i'd be like shit that's pretty crazy now he'd just kind of go in and do the ark go and get out of there probably yeah that's funny that was it yeah i just thought he was alive or i thought he'd never well he was probably just trying to get more money out of it and then fight and get a bit of information i still ww would you do that yeah yeah because if it was like fucking ridiculous and you're gonna pay me the same amount tony can't really have had conversations with all of them yeah and some of them it works out for him and some of them it doesn't yeah Kevin Owens would have been but nearly there i bet well he's that that was a massive part of his re-negotiation is i think he has contracts and zanes as well says that if they have if they get released or leave they can't sign for a w within a year jesus which is mad which at legally i don't know how you would enforce that well you just put it in the fucking print well if they if they if they sack him i mean it's like if you say oh you get sacked you can't work for a wwe for a year but you can work anywhere else it's a bit bizarre isn't it i don't that must be some bullshit but i have had the autograph on it right it's funny i just like say last person i would expect to leave wwe so i'm sure he just wanted more cash and it's a good plan yeah i think when you you might as well because if wwe call you bluff the worst that can happen is your a wwe so it's not like it's not like you're gonna lose out on anything if you get if you've got an offer from a wwe and it's more money and you think fucking awesome i can take this back to wwe and wwe fuck off now yeah sign me then you're like all right yeah i'll be working i'll be working maximum two days a week yeah i'm gonna get paid millions you know because like the whole like cinpong thing of him getting two million a year you know that list of wages so when you think about it it's not that that's not that much money to me because uh so the pay-per-view that's just been did between 145 000 160 000 buys makes it the second biggest i've ever done um but that's like millions of dollars yeah do you know what i mean that's a lot of fucking money so your paying cinpong two million a year it's fucking pocket change so you've got the tv deals the pay-per-view deals at four times a year so say four times a year you get 50 million from pay-per-view you know it's absolutely laughing like the only reason why they're in the red this year is because of the game so all the money they put into the game because they want to do it themselves so they could have easily have sold the rights like wwe have to do okay yeah they could have easily have gone make us a video game so that's the thing and that kind of seamlessly you know kind of links in with the next point that i've got it doesn't seem like they do anything for the actual monetary value of it like obviously they wanted to make money but the thought process doesn't seem to be money first it seems to be how will this come across first yeah rather than the money side of it because there's loads of things that they've done recently like you know the sheer amount of signings and the fact that they don't have space for everybody and then people who you think oh they've not been on the show for months have re-signed big new deals and yeah and all this kind of shit it's odd have you got any lasting lasting thoughts on butch no you aren't you are right though i think you just have to roll with it you've got to roll with the punches if you're a wwe fan and learn to not get your hopes up about anybody because as long as roman reigns is still wrestling and lezna still wants to be around that so he's gonna be champion you can't get you kind of have to park your ideas of someone being a champion unless it's someone you can quite clearly tell it's gonna step into that like your brombreaker one day but no time soon no so yeah i just think it is what it is isn't it yeah but it's a shit name it's absolutely fine to say it's shit like it's not a you know people getting like angry with the people getting angry and all this kind of ballops and i mean wrestling to it is just as bad as it's always been at the moment coming off of one of the best paper views probably of the jitter and there's everybody's arguing about it and it's like fucking hell like you can't you can't do anything but the um that's the problem when when it seems when it seems to be in ozverses then kind of mentality is when i see stories about wwe that i do laugh i do laugh because i do find it but most of the kind of humor i get from it is fuck i put so much effort into that company i can put so much money in time and effort and it wasn't all for nothing you know i did enjoy it so i'd agree but like now like imagine watching that now like i can't even know i just think about it because i can tell you right now i ain't watching WrestleMania because why would i not either i just can't think of anything not worse but over two nights i'll just get the highlights i should really do that yeah i'll just read what happens i love you like you know the whole because it's the whole bait and switch scenario again it's like oh Vinci's having a match no he's not austin's having a match no he's not where are we finished at this time oh yeah of course so the thoughts of austin i mean we can we can quickly touch upon that i've got this written down but if they do this then brilliant but i don't think they will because i think they're complete fucking shisers so they'll advertise it and not not do it so for weeks they've said austin's having a match and they've let that be leaked oh austin's having a match at WrestleMania so the ticket sales boost now that it's you know not that anybody's gonna get a refund or anything like that but now it's always on the KO show so the thought now or what they're allowing to be leaked is to do the KO show on night one and then night two they have the match right if that happens then that's the one thing that they've done right yeah i think but it's not gonna happen he's gonna come out they're gonna chat for a bit he's gonna stun her and he's gonna go to the back that's what i think like yeah of course it will he's not having a match he's not having a match he's not having a match he's not having a match for 19 years because he's next folks do you really think that if austin was thinking about having won last match stone cold Steve Austin was gonna have won last match it would be with Kevin Owens you're out of your fucking mind if you think that's the case yeah austin if austin's having won last match he's the main event you get the rock back well the rock won't come back this is the interesting thing because the rock sees sees it as a toxic fucking environment now because they're desperate to do because out of wrestling you rome reigns is gonna be rockless because they're desperate to do roman against the rock yeah the main event is related but you won't come back because it's so fucking toxic so if the rock's on WWE it actually lowers his star power because he's gone because of the Saudi Arabia shit yeah that's he's not said that but that's just people speculating but i kind of agree with it why would you as a massive Hollywood star massive Hollywood star yeah touch WWE with a barge pole at the moment when they when they're going to get employed money from Saudi Arabia and it's just like there's only so many favors you owe Vince as well because he's been a movie star now for longer than he was a wrestler surely i don't know i don't know i don't know like you know it's in like in WWE like he's been a movie star since well when did the money come out like yeah and he's he's just about skarking king what's that because i watched stupidly just take us away from wrestling yeah i watched a breakdown trailer video with nope did you so now i know everything that's going on oh no so we're gonna watch anything on it until it came out i want a massive like Jordan Peele's life binge oh well you're gonna have to tell me about it off my head so we got four of you guys it's fucking good but it's just theories i'm gonna say how do you just might not be right but it's like a trailer breakdown wait there you just have speaking of scorpion king yeah so kaluya in in it has got a scorpion king hoodie on okay with a thing on the back that's such crew so his so the whole so he's so he's so he's so they have the horses the movies right yeah so that's the timing of the film so the time of the film is obviously he's got he's there giving horses to scorpion king how funny while that's random totally random that's so weird but we'll get into that i've got like an hour oh shit yeah yeah sorry guys if you want to hear us shit on nope nope but what do you think just as a quick side as well no what do you think that sounds for oh i didn't actually think it's just for anything i just i think like the letters yeah oh okay ooh um considering what it's about yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah look can you leave that please leave that with me don't tell me and i'll i'll try because all these other ones have had been double entendres because ozz was like um u.s as well so it's supposed to be united dates and ozz so it was that um yeah yeah i think we just get out but like you can make of that what you will because it's double layered yeah okay but the latter's actually stand for something fuck according to this video i like to make sense to it because it shows you like still frames are like right what's going on here holy shit i can't leave you watch that can't leave you did that well i was on literally three hours of my life yesterday was just watching interviews with john pill because he is my favorite person i was he's the man absolutely absolutely. anyway part of the wrestling told me can't buy x arrow h we've got talks about this on the show but you did call it i had seen people tweeting about it so i didn't come off the top of my head like people and they were theorizing about what his announcement would be it was the one that made most sense to me yeah because they observe guys and i like i suppose say about the hbomax deal now that might still be a thing but because they're going time-water going into like a merger with discovery all right at the moment so all those kind of things are up in the air apparently whether or not they want wrestling on tv is kind of up in the air which is a bit mad yeah because there's a new guy who's coming into time-honor who was not said anything about a w whereas the previous one was like yeah a w is great you know and it was like somebody that so he can't knows and so that might not end greatly but they'll find another channel yeah sure yeah so tom can't but i don't know what's he's going to do with it he's going to be handling the booking of the super card on the show himself and he has said that he is going to be the lead booker of r o h in his post pay-per-view media scrum for revolution he said obviously i can't tell you what i'm going to be doing it but what did you what you're all wrestling fans it what nxt did you prefer nxt or nxt 2.0 so everyone goes nxt and he's like right well you've kind of answered your own question then so it seems like it's going to be a feeder brand something yeah so the question i've got for you and of course sonic island is getting shit from people like booketina and bischoff you've been very crickly with light saying it's about like there there's no money in it well there's about a few tweets and so at car 18 Alex has said make it a talent development for a w gives experience to the which is a very good point at carbon underscore robert's but sell it to wwe and at the price nine five eight nine i said give it to regal so i did tweet about that because you said make regal even so that was the thing that you kind of got to call yeah i did i did because that just makes sense to me and that's obviously not uh anything confirmed i just think you know coincides with them getting regal and then the r o h thing yeah and the fact that he is referring to it kind of like old nxt it all makes a lot of sense why regal is there yeah absolutely absolutely and uh chris oryx chris oryx thing i want to put make it the moth from the flat show which is interesting of chris i did say yes she's up and on uh what's what's the what's the gold scolts um elevation dark elevation session must be on there which i do think would be a great sign in and a great addition as well so yeah i think so that'll be really good so the question for you really is you know what what does he do with r o h you know if if it was you when you're like okay i bought r o h currently well not currently because it's nothing at the moment but the only current thing that i've got analysis of super cardamom on the show from wrestle mane weekend but they were a weekly television show this stuff went on sync player broadcasting each week like the whole of aim kind of deals old episodes that kind of thing so if you if you're Tony khan and you're going to be booking the thing like it's a it's another show yeah what do you do with it i mean with regards to people and talents or just what do you do with r o h as a brand so i don't i don't really but i think starting i think having some people who are currently there currently in a w go over and be on that r o h roster is like permanent people but have like you know if regal was say gonna be heading it up it makes sense for him to take ryan danielson and moxley over with him and then three kind of like other stall walks of r o h sort of things so they kind of you three main faces who you know like ryan danielson and moxley tend to be in the main event most times regal is like a gm or whatever comes out i think like you you've probably looked to if you can secure some of the better recent r o h stars if you want them back yeah to show that it is still r o h and it's not starting from scratch because i think you should at least have some people there and then just mixing it up just mixing up the rock both the rosters yeah and distributing the talent quite evenly and obviously a w is the one where he needs the ratings and that's the import like more important when in terms of that so you've got to have your biggest draws on there and then you know have like a special event whether it's a pay-per-view or whatever and that's when the likes of cm bunk can come out and talk about like r o h in his time and all of that or even put might be one of the ones if they were going to do it that way that goes over and then kind of runs it and is a big big feature of it because if they want it to be a touring brand again and put shows on which i'm sure they do they're going to want to fill and seats and the only way they're going to fill these is if you've got some really big names kicking it off so there has to be some of those top players in a w or also one of them not signed yet even but i think they've got enough to be perfectly honest they're going to have to have some really big people and really big matches on r o h for anyone to care and buy tickets and not just feel like oh this is just where the developmental the people who aren't ready to be on dynamite this is where they get so why should i buy a ticket i don't want to or why should i buy that pay-per-view or why should i watch it and all of that and i don't know what the tv situation is going to be where it's going to be on telly or it's just going to be shows i don't know it's out but i think he has to put some of the big people over there as like mainstays so if you buy a ticket for it you know you're going to see him raffin just has to be on point come on one of them say all of r o h best of all i love you guys and then he disappears and you never see him again it's like whoever goes has to be on there all the time to get that from regularity i don't know i don't know whether i'm talking shit i think i am like what do you think no no no no no no no no no no no no no i mean there's problems with everything which is which is why i think it's a really fun or interesting thing to talk about because i can give you like different examples based on what i've seen or what i think they're going to do with it and then i can give you what i personally want as a wrestling club so i'll say that to the end because it's a little bit more boring so if they're going to do r o h is a touring brand it's another brand it's technically competition there's two issues with that one r o h isn't a big enough brand so it's great for because the thing is it's like when w e you know sort of a quiet ec w is the fans of ec w like to start with will be in service because they did the one nightstands and they did you know you know six months of a television show that was relatively good and then it went really off the deep end to the point where you've got like christian cajun maha as the ec w headweight champions and all this kind of shit so that's the scenario that you get into if you want to do it as another brand but with your wrestlers so because there isn't you know ec w came with its own stars so you know you're tom dreamer sam man saboo you know all these people that really to ww fans have been kind of non-existent yeah so that had their that set of own stars you don't have that with r o h a lot of people you know you know the women the women's champion obviously not the women's champion now but the first women's champion roxy is with ww impact has got don't approach so is the r o h women's champion so if aggression is the r o h champion at the moment so the issue with kind of sign with with buying it and then trying to turn it into its own thing on a weekly basis is really hard because like you said you're going to have to put people over there on a regular basis as stars because a lot of people do watch because you know one of the main kind of points is well just turn dark and dark elevation into r o h it's like well that's fair enough and a lot of big styles do go on dark and dark elevation that's fair enough but people then look at it as a worse brand yeah so if you put a show in a arena and it's like it used to be it's dynamite and it's dark elevation tapeens you're going to sell more tickets for that if you put r o h in a in an arena it's not going to sell as many tickets as if you just called it a w so if a w was like we're putting on a show a w presents the ring of on a supercar show yeah that's going to sell more tickets than if it was just out of age yeah which then you kind of think to yourself why would they bother doing r o h shows why not just observe everything and then call it a w shows well he's got enough kind of going on at the moment yeah so that's one issue the other issue is if you have stars going to a going to r o h so if regal goes and if brian and moxley go with him then fair people that you would have had on dynamite so then you're watering down dynamite and you're watering down rampage by because you feel like you're having to put stars on this other show so then everything gets bastardized which is exactly what happens when you try and do a brand split because it didn't work with wcw they're brand split doing work between thunder and nitro yeah yo that was off the thunder was fucking cancelled really quickly after that kind of happened roaring back down be honest with me guys who watched wwe still the brand split is never worked it's never worked you've always had one more popular than the other but they don't fight anymore like they used to but they used to really try and fight each of our ratings and create their own internal competition of what's the better show now you can't do this with r o h because it's too small of a brand and if you give them stars you got to get people you know say say there was like 200 thousand you know on access tv impact gets about 150 to 200 thousand a week if you've got a hundred thousand people that would watch the r o h show with people like the lesser stars you know like let's say hook your fucking r o h jumping something like that so you turned it into a proper developmental show but with those with those guys that are on the rise now 100 thousand people might have watched dynamite for hook yeah and for those wrestlers you know samika vera might be the arrow h jumping you know who knows but i would say they're probably too big to go on it but you know you've got like the wing the bell you're on dark all time dark order maybe go over there so so you've got maybe a hundred thousand people in that group that are obsessed with those wrestlers that would then stop watching dynamite since dynamite comes down so it doesn't make any sense yeah to do that um from him saying about nxt and saying in that media screw about nxt it feels like it's going to be a developmental brand which is good on one hand because then you can give these guys who need it more time but it's also bad on the other hand because it's not going to do it's not going to from a business point of view it's not going to do it anywhere near as good as if you did the same thing but called a w yeah so it doesn't make any sense now from my own standpoint so my wrestling fan so i've got my wrestling fan hat on now i don't need another weekly show i don't need another weekly show so i don't give a fuck who's on it i ain't watching another week no i barely watch a w is right now so i'm so far behind on new japan and new japan's my favorite because it's just wrestling and i like just wrestling interesting bit of breaking new japan news the bullet club of uh or joined by jy which is good um even those house of torture marks anyway but the um so i don't need another weekly show like i really don't because i'm not going to watch it and this is the this is the problem is it doesn't matter what's on that show i can't watch everything so if if a w sorry if r awake just got like an hour long weekly show that it does do i drop rampage if it's good enough yeah do i drop rampage because rampage they're not doing anything with really no and yeah they get a decent amount of viewers and they're going to do some out of dbr but you know swerve swerve strickling they were gone later against so many nieces was a fantastic match is that enough to make me watch rampage every week no it's not and we'll talk about swerve a little bit later because i think he's a big fucking deal so if you know you may not have run pages swerve against tony nieces but you may not have had a wait you see on punk against brian danielson for one week only let's say i'm watching that r awake show i'm not watching on page i've only got a certain amount of time i can dedicate towards watching professional wrestling every week i wish i had more but i don't and i'm way behind on new japan and i'm not really fully up to date with what's going on in a w because i've only got it on in the background like i wanted to watch the pay good you properly because i was up all that night working and i had it on in the background so i didn't really fully watch every frame of it so there's only so much you can do so from a professional wrestling fan's point of view what i want to see tony can't do with it is yeah you can do your weekly show if you want to but do it where you film it in one day like new japan strong does you know like w we used to do with the next t you sell your tickets you sell your two thousand tickets or whatever it is you do you do your tb tape in on one day and then that leads to every two months special so they can do super cardamom they can do your final battle they can have all these properties that i've sold paper views for years not a lot but i've sold paper views for years but then they can do it as a special so then i can make the decision then whether or not i want to watch the special yeah or not and have it as a pure wrestling show i don't need some of that's got storylines you know it's only can booking he's like i'm gonna be the lead booker it's like okay i don't want storylines from this and this is this is just my personal opinion other people might be different there might be some um you know ww fans are looking for something new and don't want to watch a w but for some reason would want to watch rwh so that's that's it's own v so i can only tell you what i want so what i want is that is that every two months for there to be a special or even every month like it was like it was gonna be like it sounded like it was gonna be that way nobody's employed they just hire people on the day for their taping so they just do one day nobody's under contract and you've just got the name the problem with it is i think what's going to happen is when when Super Carolina happens, I think they're going to do something on Dynamite to kind of promote it.

And that's where you get into murky water because you're taking from Peter to PayPal. You know, if I were a wage to turn up on Dynamite, you know, and they do an invasion storyline, that's, you know, because everybody's wanting to write their own ends of the WWE invasion story. But we don't need that because Dynamite's absolutely loaded and it's in his infancy really, it's something completely years old. So I don't need our own age to come in on Dynamite.

There's too much going on as it is. So if you do that for the first show, then maybe that's absolutely fine. But for me personally, going forward, I want to see a monthly or two monthly special that has people from New Japan, as IEW, that has impact, that has, you know, ROH and old wrestlers on it. And every time they do it, it's a bit of a celebration of ROH.

It's all this is what it used to be like. And we're just going to keep, because that'll make money. Like they'll sell pay per views, they'll sell, you know, it's like, AEW presents final, ROH final battle. And it's like a couple of New Japan stars and a couple of impacts.

And that can be the hotbed at the moment for just putting on a show. Like, we're not doing anything long term. Yes, there's a champion. Yes, there's challenges.

But we're not doing anything long term. Like, like all these indie shows do. Like, some of them do storylines. But not a lot of indie shows are story driven.

You get the whole story in the show that you go to see. And that's what I want. I don't want a weekly TV show. And I know they need to give these guys time.

But you've got dark and dark elevation from that. To me, ROH is too big of a property to just turn into an NXT. Yeah. So, but that's what is going to happen.

I think we're going to turn it into an NXT Daniel Garcia will be the ring of a champion, which is absolutely fine and could have been a possibility anyway. But that's the kind of thing that they're going to do. And I don't need another weekly show. I want them to just every month, just put a show on.

Yeah. And just sell it online for five or whatever. It's like, right, we're going to do 2000 seat arenas for each one of these. And it's just going to be fun.

Anyone want to do the ROH show this weekend or punkie free this weekend? Okay, well, you can have a match with whoever the fuck you on and you can dress up. You can do whatever you want. And I don't mean it becomes a joke.

Like it's not like I don't mean it becomes a joke. But it's just a celebration of professional wrestling. Yeah. But they don't do it as a weekly TV.

Or if they have weekly TV, you know, it's just something that, you know, it's just an hour. It's not too long as they're only about. Yeah. Yeah.

That's why I think you agree. I disagree. No, no, I think you're right. I'm just intrigued.

I just don't. There's so many ways it can go. And they've got pros and cons to each. So I guess it'll just be interesting to see what route he chooses and how it's executed and who's going and all that.

Because you will be thinking about it from a monetary point of view. But if you treat it like a super indie, like it was going to be anyway, that's going to make you money. And also, you know, if we're talking about it because we're saying, you know, about NXT, but we don't know what that looks like. You know, if they do just do like monthly or two monthly big shows like super cards, that can be a way of having a look at some people, you know, do they want to sign Bandito?

Okay. Well, if you want to sign Bandito, we're going to put him in the main event of the ROH show in two weeks. I want to see how he does. You know, Tony Neitz and all these people that they've signed that to me is such a weird signing.

Tony is a fantastic wrestler. Don't get me wrong. But he's such an odd signing to have. Yeah.

And the first time he's been on some of that is in dark, the dark, the way she's going to leave for weather, folks. I've not done anything with J. Lee for so many people that they signed and then they disappear where the folks, Miro, Miro can't turn up on a on ROH. He's too big of an A.

And he's not that style wrestler. True. So what the fuck are they actually going to do with the people they've got let alone who's going to go to ROH? But because a lot of people are taking in your bookings now, I'm taking indie bookings, they kind of tease the thing with the risk goes on the top of the risk goes in a second because there's a reason why they're not signed to AW.

We've seen that now. So that was kind of like my next point kind of within this is AW, what I decided to sign the risk goes, which are a great tag team. But one of them, EDS, said no. And the reason why was because one of them in 2013, they'll load a home from its weeks, which is apologize for and deleted for and all that kind of stuff.

But that's why they don't want him. Which I can totally just say. But yeah, that's how I would do ROH. I've used it as something that doesn't take up a lot of brain space, but I just do it in an area.

Every time I'm doing a show, it's just an A.I. Them versus their numbers. Have more people from the outside that you want to have a look at for AW. Do you agree with that?

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So we'll see what he does. I've been intrigued with the weekly show. But I just don't have the time.

No, no. I'm feeling like at the moment, I don't have the time for Rampage. Yeah. Because Rampage doesn't really mean anything.

And they've done that to themselves by doing the whole. Because imagine if you went to an AW show and they do dynamite live and then Rampage is after it. It's not the case at all. And these are not the same funds.

But if it gets worse and they don't put people on Rampage, and it is just all here's the debut in the Baba Bar, and all that kind of stuff, you can have a two or five live situation where everyone goes to SmackDown and when two or five live starts after it, everyone fucks off. Yeah. That could potentially happen. Not saying it would, because it's doing it again, different fan base and they've got bigger things and they treat you with a lot more respect Rampage.

But and they do have things on it. But if they do have it lowered, then that might be the case. People go watch fucking dynamite and then go home. Which is when that happens, it's a two or five live.

But it's horrible. It's so so disrespectful. So that was guys. But what you're going to do, what you're going to be able to do.

What you're going to be able to do. What you're going to be able to do. So any more on ROH? No.

Okay. Jeff Hardy signs with AW? Yes, okay. Well we knew this was coming because he said it to that fucking block a guy.

So we knew it was going to happen. It was just the case of when is he going to crop up. I actually haven't seen it. No, so I'm just going to fill you in then.

I was kind of looking at it. So I didn't announce anything for dynamite involving my hardies. I was like, okay, so it's not going to be this week. Maybe the next week.

And then I think about half an hour. And this might not have been when they announced it. But when I saw it, it was like half an hour before dynamite went on air. So all the Hardy and Drade family office are going to have a pow wow in the ring.

And back away we go. And I thought they did it well. The other vote at first, private party voted Mark to stay in and then you'll be behind his back voting down. They'll be down.

Outcomes stinging down the Allen. They jump in. They get beaten down. Hardy comes out.

The pops are fucking fantastic. He is now probably in a mortal gift because he's there. But Hardy's getting his head stamped on and he's doing his dance on the ramp going up. Which is just the funniest fucking thing.

That's also been tweets of like, oh, your brother's getting beaten up, but you just have to get your groove on. And all that kind of shit. That's really funny. So he comes flying out, makes us save.

And then on rampage, I think Darby and Isaiah Castellia match again, beat down up and stings up. And to Hardy just come out dressed like fucking Art of Judea. Nice. I don't know how to do that.

I actually have to curse a lot of jewellery. Hardy boys. But what pissed me off a little bit, and this is a really silly thing to get annoyed about, is AW's YouTube put a video up with the title. What happened when the Hardy boys came out at a rampage?

If anybody saw a rampage or watched the video, what happened when the Hardy boys came out at a rampage was Jack Shit. They just came out and stood on the ramp. And that was it. So they didn't do anything.

So the whole video was like the match and the end of the match. So it's like, oh, what happens when the Hardy's debuted on rampage? Well Jack Shit just literally walked down the ramp a little bit. Did delete and then that was it.

It went off fucking air. That was so funny. I don't know if I heard it. But they've got the old music, which is I can't get me around how.

But they kind of explained it on the Observer saying that it's not WWE music. It's used in loads of different ways. It's like a public domain track. Which is just odd.

Because it's remember when we watched TV shows, it's like, what the fucking thing going on are these music? And things like that. Obviously. It's because it's not WWE music.

So people can license it for whatever they want. So that's why they've been able to get it. But the fact that they have got it is just fantastic. Yeah, it is.

All the like the old, you know, because that's a big thing with wrestlers when they come over from an older company is that they've got new music and new names and all this kind of stuff. And it does take a bit of the shine away from what? That's true. From their star power.

But the fact that they've got that music, because as soon as that started, this place went fucking crazy. So that was cool. That is cool. So that's what happened.

Nice. What'd you reckon? I think it's nice that they're back together again. We get to have another run.

Yeah. I think there'll be AWT acting champions. Yes. How soon?

Soon. Yeah, I think so. I think so. It's kind of, it was just a little bit weird when Matt left WWE and Jeff didn't.

It was just very strange. He didn't walk in off into the crowd. See, that's the only question I've got out of the end of this is did he punk him out? Yeah.

Is that what you think? Yeah. I think he fully did. I think he got himself sacked in the only way he truly knows out.

But he's like, I'm not gonna get pissed. It's not. I'm gonna make them think I am. Yeah.

And how can I do that? I'm not gonna do it on TV. That's too much. But I'll do it at a live show.

Yeah. It's like, how can I get, so he's like, you know, Matt and I sat around the family's there and all of them dinner and it's like a family dinner on the one day off they got from WWE. It's like, oh, you know, I'm not, I'm not enjoying this anymore. They're not really doing anything with me, Matt.

I've got Bob signed for another light. I don't know this for a fact. I'm just using it as an example. I've got Bob signed for another two years.

I just don't, I'll do it. It's like, well, how did you get sacked in the past? It's going, oh, well pretend. Oh.

They were sort of sat around like a Donal Mate. I think you just have to ride all those two years and go, Matt's like, I'm got a second. Makes a call. Getting taxi turns up, cans in there, with shades on, paying off the taxi driver again saying I wasn't here.

He's like, okay, Jeff is what you're gonna do. You're just gonna walk away. You're just gonna walk away. That whole angle is like, but like an angle.

It's like, yeah, so like Tony Khan was the lead producer of Jeff Hardy's like, sacking from WWE. A bit more of that shit goes on than we'll ever know. In this day and age, when like wrestling fans probably know too much about the inner workings of what's going on. I'm gonna make it to the point where he's no one.

I'm pretty enjoyable to watch. You know, in that day and age where, you know, I bet there's so much shit that goes on that we've got no idea about. From both sides, I think. To know like, how he went into his meeting with Vince and the outlined his manager role for Keith Lee, which he would have been sacked by now.

Because Keith Lee was just released when he wasn't like coming due and then decided not to stay. He got sacked. So I think it's really interesting when somebody even decides to go to AEW or even WWE like we get into it. Yeah.

At the end of it, even if he is, even fucking for that saga is getting fucking annoying. Who cares? I don't care. I don't care at the start.

And now it's like, oh, yeah, I get a coldies AEW. WWE future is in jeopardy. It's like it's not even started. Oh no.

God, oh fucking my. Oh no. Oh no. Well, two fingers interesting when those people move and not the Keith Lee's the Malachi Blacks who got sacked to go.

Yeah. It's when they make the decision between all which contract to accept always AEW or HW. Like Owens and Zane re-signing when you know full well AEW would have made them an offer. It's just super interesting.