Hello and welcome to No Plas, just the clap. The only show that asks Deb, describe a Grambley gunk. Like, like as an object or as a feeling. Is it object or a feeling?
Well, no, like a Grambley gunk feeling would probably just be very uncomfortable if possibly that not so fresh feeling. As an object, I assume it was some kind of creature. Yeah. Like maybe like one of the little goblins from the labyrinth.
Okay. I could see one of them being named Grambley gunk. Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. These are all correct answers. Well, just, like I said, not so fresh feeling. No, it was a very fresh feeling.
No, I don't feel good about this segue at all. You asked. I did. So in case you're wondering what we're referencing, we're referencing.
No, we're wondering what we're referencing. Some people do. Last week's, I'm sorry, they might be giants, which did appear on the soundtrack for the show, The Walking Dead. Yes, there was a The Maybe Chinese song on The Walking Dead.
It was fucking awesome. This episode was about Eugene coming into the Saviors, the like, Foundry community. And basically, my notes are about like Eugene's play the Grambley gunk and then we'll talk about the Talking Dead and the little bit because you may be talking about that off air. Because it was a must to watch.
It was a must watch. So basically, Negan's taken in Eugene. Eugene uses his high school sense-eater knowledge to convince Negan that he worked on the Human Genome Project. Yes, my hand is to my face already.
His ability to chameleon much like Carol's is very impressive. Well, he's a survivor. He had to develop these skills. It's really funny.
I really think the word survivor should be synonymous with the word wire. Really? Why? In most situations to survive, you have to become a fucking liar at a manipulator.
I'm trying to think of one character on The Walking Dead that's never lied. Oh, it's impossible, my friend. No, it's a apocalyptic world. Maybe Herschel.
Maybe Herschel. Herschel, why do I do myself? Well, yeah, no, that's actually a really good point. You like yourself.
Yeah, you don't take an out-actually like overt lie. I don't mean this in a bad way whatsoever. But to be a survivor in really terrible situations, whether it be physical abuse, mental abuse, disease, famine, anything like that, you have to lie to yourself. Oh, my.
And the biggest lie of you that, you're going to come out the other side. Doesn't mean it won't become true eventually, but when you're saying it yourself, you don't fucking know. That's true. Like I said, I do think the word survivor should be synonymous with liar.
And I don't mean that in a bad way. I don't mean like that in a-you're on the lie! Right. No, I agree with that based on that criteria.
No, I like that. But it's like optimism is basically why. Everything will be great. That's a great thing.
Being a Pollyanna doesn't know what any good. Do you think people still understand what that means? Pollyanna? Well, Pollyanna is based on the movie, Pollyanna.
Well, it was a book first. Yes, but most people know the Disney movie. Right, yeah. The Disney movie Pollyanna, and she plays the Glag Game where she thinks about things that she's glad about.
I agree with this. I'm happy. How do you really think it still understands what being a Pollyanna means? It's not that- Apparently somebody's getting robbed out of my window.
Well, not out of your window. Well, you know what I mean though. Maybe something happened to the 7-Eleven. What was the name of the Decepticon that was the cop car?
Is that in the sector? I don't remember. Or in the sector. It's been a really long time.
Yeah, no, I had to have a meal toy with him. Anyway. Sorry, back to the- So, James made his plate. He said it in Negan, apparently.
He said the words like, you know, who are you? I am Negan. But is he, you know, being truthful? Is he lying to Negan?
Or is he just, Camilean- Camilean-ing, I guess. Is he, you know, having that like shift because like much like Carol where she becomes what she needs to become to survive? It's a rival technique. Absolutely.
The Grammarly Goat comes from the fact that early on in the episode he needs to get these certain items from the kind of like the post-apocalyptic bizarre, and I mean that by a B-A-Z-A-A-R definition. Just a black market. Well, it's not a black market though. But it's like, you know, where they got all their stuff and you sign out and say like, I have this many credits and I want peaches today.
Or a jar of pickles as the case may be made in the episode watching it. But uh- You think peaches would be more valuable to pickles? Because pickles keep way longer. You have to watch the episode for the whole peaches thing because you can make a variation on Art Snick from their peach beds.
Hey, how did that make sense? Yeah, so at one point, yeah, he gets asked to make a basically a suicide pill to release one of Negan's wives from her shame. He puts it together that they're trying to kill Negan and doesn't do it. But at one point he's like, you know, I need this, this, and this.
And the lady's like, there's a line, like get the fucking line haircut that keeps holding the haircut because of the awesome mullet perotency top hat as he calls it. And there we go. And at one point, like he gets, he goes back to the back and he's like, no, he doesn't say fuck you. But he's like, no, fuck this.
Like I answered a Negan like, I am the head guy, you know, I'm the new science guy. He's pretty insecure. After they chucked the doctor into a fire. Oh, it was brittle as walking dead can go.
And he goes, I'll need like, you know, this medication and this thing and he grabs a bedpan. He's like, I'll need this for some reason. Like he just starts grabbing shit. It's also like it's one of those like almost rocket raccoon and that guy's leg.
Yeah, very much, very much. But it's more, it's more of him empowering himself, which is, I'll get to that point in a second. But at one point he grabs, like this like little sock monkey sloth hybrid stuffed animal and he goes, I don't know what this is, but I'm going to call it a grimely gunk and I need it. Which whenever Eugene talks, I love Eugene's dialogue forever.
Almost as much of like the Abrahamisms with Mother Dick and Lou Sands make my balls itch and all that. Does he know I now say Mother Dick or way more than I say. I say Mother Dick so much I work. It's ridiculous.
Mother ridiculous. It's not a ridiculous. So we also coined the, you're killing me softly smalls. Oh my God, I'm so funny.
Yeah, the same lot. Please, I mean, I need to make sure. I will figure something I don't make a note about it or I'm going to have to show. I don't know if it's him with the Lauren Hill kind of fro from that video or what.
Yeah, no, I guess she's got the Afro puff in that video. Yeah, no, admittedly she'd hate it, you know, since she hates white people. Oh yeah, no, that's I got a lot of older. Her and Erica Bondy were probably like this.
Yeah, is Mark about to do that racist? She's not, but she does have a big problem with quote unquote white culture appropriating black culture. Because what we want to be with her, I want to go to her and be like, why can't we all just like the things that we like? Because what Lauren Hill says she goes, she's like, I'd rather have my children starve and have white people buy my elves.
Yeah, because it was the education of Lauren Hill, which is basically the education. Like I said, I'm paraphrasing, but the basic gist of it was I'd rather have my kids starve and have white people buy my elves. She's got a lot of kids. I think she has six or seven now and only like five of them are with Ziggy Marley.
So, wow, really? Okay. So I love Eugene's play. What does it mean for the saviors?
What does it mean for the groups that are coming up against the saviors? It ought to be interesting, especially because Nigan knows that Eugene built the bullet that almost killed Nigan. So it's not just like, oh, I'm gonna have like fun science experiments on the lawn. It was on the episode and wasn't talking dead, but that you know, will Nigan have him build an armory to go against Hilltop, Alexandria, the king thing.
We'll Nigan have him build the bullet. That's very true. So we'll see. The following episode of Talking Dead about that episode was a must watch.
Not only like Josh McDermott who plays Eugene, and I can't remember the name of the guy, but it's the guy who's delight. And then Little John. How the hell did they even book Little John? They always try to have a celebrity who's into the show.
I get that, but it's just like, I don't know who does their booking, but good on you. Go on that. I guarantee you, it's probably a lot of Twitter. It's probably a lot of Little John tweeting out about Walking Dead every week, and they're like, oh shit, Little John likes our show.
Maybe we should reach out to him. And any Walking Dead fan, it doesn't matter if you're Little John or Ross. If you get a direct tweet that says, would you want to be on Talking Dead, you'd jump at it. It'd be part of the conversation, as they say.
So it was a must watch. Please watch it. There was a lot of what? Yeah, yeah.
Jokes. As well as, you know, Little John actually behaved really well. I didn't think it was going to be a Marilyn Manson-level shit show, but I thought it was going to be a lot of bleeping. And it wasn't.
Little John caught himself a few times. He was like, dude, that was gangsta as f, and it was almost like fun hearing them say that. There's been other things where he is, despite which I think he is an adult that knows how to act appropriately in situations. But you know, when you...
Marry Manson was not... When you... When you... When you...
When you... When you... When you... When you...
When you... When you think he did, I think he just went, yeah, moving on. Like, I don't think he was like, it needs to even be addressed, whereas like, I think Jack Osborne released something, Harvard released something. Yeah, because it was such a shit show.
I can't remember the other person that was, I think was a producer, I think was Galan Heard or Denise... Not Bluth. Denise Luth or whatever her name is. I think whatever other producer was like, yeah, despite its ups and downs, like, you know, we had a good conversation and you're like, yeah.
I do like going back to that episode every once and every once, like, right while watching parts of it on YouTube though, because it's just a fucking train wreck. I'm a train wreck. However, so Lil John, on Talking Dead. Hardwick has been spurathlete putting stuff up on Instagram, and my personal favorite is the one where he said, quote, Lil John found Lil Lucille, and it's hardwick on his knees with Lil John behind him with the Lil Lucille replica pad.
I thought it was really fucking funny. Just cracked me the hell up. So the rumors have been, I shouldn't say rumors, I think they've actually said that at some point the fear of walking dead and walking dead are going to intersect. And still everyone gives zero fucks about fear of the walking dead.
Well, I think being that fear of the walking dead is at the very beginning of the zombie apocalypse. And you, Rick is in the coma for a year, right? I don't think it's explicitly said, but yeah, I mentioned about it. Well, I mean, I don't know if it was a year from the outbreak or a year from when he went into coma.
I don't know. But, uh, I said it's just, how long will it take them to meet up and go fear of walking dead last that long? Because seriously people give you less fucks. Well, I think it'll be a matter of, and we'll use this as a segue.
Okay. I think the crossover, if and when they do it, that you'll see, at least obviously one character from fear of the walking dead is that you make the connection. But then maybe a slightly different group than they have now, obviously. Yeah, point.
Like I said, it might be something that connects, but it doesn't connect. I think it would be the fear of the walking. It's like more of an implication as opposed to a natural crossover. I think it'll be the equivalent of a fear of the walking dead flash forward, where it's like, you have the one character or a couple characters that might have survived, but what happened to the rest of them?
And you're watching fear of the walking dead to figure out when that payoff happens. That payoff is years away in terms of if walking dead, which does runs in, not real time, but you know, it's vaguely, you know what I mean? It's not like last man on Earth where we're still within like the first four months, despite the fact that we're on season two or three. But I mean, they might have episodes that go through episodes that cover a week of their life, but I think Kerpen has come out and said like, you know, it's roughly, every season's roughly between six and twelve months of life.
But I guess they also do big time jumps as well. Yeah. Like I said, you might have to. Everything's okay for a couple months.
And you don't see those things are from. But like I said, that's the thing that's life. You have weeks where fucking everything in the entire world happens and then you have a couple months where nothing happens. You do your job, you go to work, stuff, things, but it's nothing you're ever going to really remember.
Life is just a misery show with random commercials of happiness. I'm paraphrasing Deadpool there, but yeah. I want to throw the bottle at you. Except horribly, horribly paraphrasing, wasn't it?
Yeah, really bad. And he's like, no back to your regular schedule programming and falls over. Do you have any more thoughts on the talking dead? No.
Can we talk about the Deadpool teaser? Uh, yeah. Well, we'll jump to that. We're going to get some spoilers folks.
Oh, SuperSoiler's Logan. This is going to launch Pan into Logan. So Deadpool and teaser. I thought of Sallerius.
I however feel that Ryan Reynolds Ash should have been a lot more scarred up when it was pressing against the outside. You couldn't tell. I mean, really? Technically, no.
It's a medium-wide shot, maybe for us, not for us at Glass, but aged Glass. Oh, I want to set a fill me. You know, fill me in the fill for the city. Yeah, right me.
Sorry, I said I'm a crimey. But still, I feel like there should have been more scars out of the ass. Were you really looking for that closely? I was.
I loved it. You were worse. You jumped. Scurve, you're standing.
I did love the John Williams score. Oh, God, yes. I'm a superman. The original's Dick Donner, Superman stuff.
I am incredibly glad that they addressed the fact that there was a fucking phone booth. Because the first fucking thing I thought is, why the fuck is there a phone booth? He brings it up. Like I said, I'm so glad they addressed it.
What is this like 1998 or whatever he says? He was like 92, but still. And that fact that he goes, and he would have been safe if he were Wolverine. What does he ever wear?
Just a tank top in jeans, which by the way happens three times in Logan. He only has fight scenes in a tank top in a tank top in a tank top in a wife beater and an undershirt in jeans. And I'm not even kidding. That's, I pay attention because of that joke from the Deadpool teaser.
Now did the Deadpool teaser give us anything about Deadpool 2? No. No. I don't understand.
I did like the fact that he got to talk a little bit more about Wolverine because he made a lot of those jokes. He did. He's got a pair of smooth ones down on that. Smooth criminals down on that.
He had a bunch of pulled Marines. And the whole Hugh Jackman joke with him stapling the face. Yeah, I mean there were a lot of jokes. So I'm glad that they attached this to Logan.
I thought that Logan owes a lot to Deadpool in terms of the art rating. It does, like I said, but you know that Hugh Jackman actually took a pay cut to make sure it was already. And it smashed a box office records when it comes to a release in March. Yeah.
I was going to say it did incredibly well. It's really good. It's like that is an incredibly good word map. And I really like that they did the Deadpool teaser in lieu of a post credit.
Which, it should be obvious to everyone. It didn't have a post credit because this is kind of the end of the era. Absolutely. This is the end of I'm sorry, I made notes to talk about Logan.
That's fine. And after I watched it, I was making the notes like I was making the note, like, talk to a friend who had already seen it. So the like, that's how much the movie was. Like I said, I do like that they did the Deadpool teaser in lieu of the post credit.
Yeah. I think that was a very smart idea. And it wouldn't have made any sense. I mean, it would have but it wouldn't have.
No, like I said, I think it's very smart. They didn't do a post credit because this is the coda. This is the end. Who Jack and I said, he'll only reprise Wolverine.
Because it's part of the Marvel universe. If their Avengers evolved. Which I was talking to a coworker. It's not on her, but I think Fox is still making enough money.
I don't see it happening. You know, Sony gave up Spider-Man because of the Sony mail hack. And it's just. Sony gave up Spider-Man because they fucked it up twice.
That's not what I had a fantastic four. No, that they fucked up. I think Marvel's got that back. Like I said, speaking of fucking things up twice.
No, Sony gave up Spider-Man for a couple of reasons. One, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Spider-Man 3, two, amazing Spider-Man 2.
That wasn't terrible. They just didn't want to work in any regard anymore. And three, well that Sony Japan had not seen, this is huge, had not seen the emails between Sony America and Marvel. And they looked the numbers that Sony America left on the table.
Or that Marvel had given Sony America that Dave turned out. And yes, Sony Japan was like, yeah, get back in there and say yes. And half of you twice are fucking fired. I could record a C2W all of a sudden.
But yeah. So that's how Marvel got Spider-Man. Fox still sees X-Men and all the X-Men related stuff as a billion dollar industry. And it is.
It is. It's like the fact that the apocalypse didn't do as well as they wanted it to. That's because it was very crazy. No, it wasn't.
It still did well. And Days of Future Past did incredibly well. Yeah. Like I said, first class did very well.
Logan's doing great. They still did. Logan's a, Logan. Nice, you did it.
Oh my god. The Logan Legion crossover. Logan, I watched Crap Out of that. And with an undefined time period like that kind of happened.
But, but Legion's being a critical darling. You know, they're doing New Year's. They're doing X-Force with Deadpool. Legion's actually doing well critically, but it's actually doing very well here.
Well, here we go. It needs to be. Unfortunately, it's FX. And FX takes way too long to put any of their stuff up on Hulu.
So since I don't have cable, if I want to watch it, I have to illegally download it. In terms of Legion, I like the week to week. Because I get. I've been doing well in the week to week.
But like I said, since they don't, since FX, puts up whole series, whole seasons on Hulu instead of doing the week to week on episodes. If I want to watch Legion right now, I have to illegally download it. Because my work schedule is such, also, none of my friends have fucking cable, that I'm not going to be able to make time to go over to somebody's house and watch it. Even if they have DVR.
Yeah. Like I said, who do we know that actually has cable and DVR? DVR, I don't know. It actually has DVR.
Should I say T-voo? No. But it's just one of those things where it's like, does FX do on demand? Yeah.
Do they? I don't know that you say it that way. Well, no, that's the thing is that not all networks do on demand when it comes to cable. I don't know.
I don't know. I feel like they're making it hard to access. I actually say access. I feel like they're making it very hard for people who don't...
I get their thing. They want people to have FX and FXX, which is where they send good shows to die, trying to make that network work. Fuck you guys. Kill the league.
Now you're going to kill your worst. They're moving there. I think so. No, that's a lot.
No, that's where they send all the money and the league. Yeah, but always send it. You're not following up. So do the league.
You send it to FFX. That's where people can't find it. Nobody has that freaking channel. They're trying to make this channel work so they keep sending their hit shows there.
And then they die within two or three seasons. I could watch the league for another ten seasons. Die, I don't think it would have been another ten. Okay, fine.
Four. Do you think you have any idea how much I would have loved to see it on Ray awkwardly trying to be in a relationship? Mary, Breezing somebody else's kid that everybody knows about. He doesn't know about it.
That's right. Exactly. No, you can mine that. I'd love to see Chilupa Batman actually grow up and be self-aware that he's named after a bet because his father's going to see League.
But I'd love to see Ellie go to college and realize that bullying never stops because of her parents even fantasy league that bully everyone. That's true. Did you want to... Oh, sorry.
Well, Legion. No, do you want to do Legion or Logan? Let's do Logan first. Okay.
My notes that I talked about and it's been spoiled for you. Oh, God. Yeah, both of my fucking male coworkers. One of them saw it on Friday, one of them saw it on Saturday.
And I just gave up trying to make them not spoil it and let them talk about it with each other. Because I don't normally mind about spoilers, but I really did want to see this one. Well, I literally have my notes written down. So if you want to skip this week and have a spoiler free in terms of Logan for the show.
No, it's fine. Okay. Spoil of crap out of it. I am going to go pee.
My notes in order. I really like the idea of him dying in nature, especially after all the time he spent in Japan kind of reconnecting with himself. Correct. I mean, that's how the character was...
I think the character was, I think, physically built to be in a city but mentally was always about nature. I mean, how many times have you seen Wolverine run through a forest hunting? It's essential to the character. So for him to die in a forest...
Oh, I guess, well, he dies. Kind of buried the lead on that one, didn't I? I thought it was very poignant. I thought Laura's or X23's, as I'm going to call her, Footclaw, which I knew about from the bit.
I've read the comics, so I'll give you kind of a background a little bit real quick. I read the comic old man Logan. I know who X23 is. I read NYX and the new, newer new mutants.
I thought the Footclaw kind of sucked. I'll be perfectly honest. Something one way. I think that visually it was underutilized and the action was so fast you can never tell when she's using it.
Hey, do you think it might be easier on a smaller screen? Maybe. Because sometimes when you have action like that on a big screen, it's so much you can't be telling me. It's so overwhelming and you don't know what's going on.
It might be better on a smaller screen. Then I agree with you. Now, Wolverine's dead. We've already broached that sometimes.
You're dead. You're real dead. You're dead. I don't want to interrupt you for a minute.
Doug, you were a gentleman. Not only did you put the seat down, you put the lid down. Oh, okay. I guess.
Maybe laugh. Also, I'm hearing with the toilet stuff on a cycle, so I've got to take the toilet out the tank. Okay. Well, do you want me to pause or something?
No, you're fine. Okay. Well, when Wolverine is dead and they bury him, that's really loud. That's really...
That's not where we're hearing that. It's all right. Sometimes the chain gets stuck and so you have to stop it so it doesn't keep her filling itself. When they're burying Wolverine, who has sacrificed himself for what I'm going to call the New Mutants for right now.
I'm a little sad they didn't do like a Darth Vader-style burning because I kind of wanted to just see his anime and he was able to... Which we'll get into. Why? Who are you?
When they have like the cross, you know, they like stick, you know, the stick cross. The great marker? Yeah. You don't talk about it with the sticks that together.
Yeah. And Laura X-23 takes the cross out. I'm like what the fuck? And she like lays it on its side so it's an X.
I'll tell you right now. I got a little mistake. Being he's effectively the last X-Men. Because it's implied at some point, Professor X has got some like, you know, like degenerative disease which gives him seizures which may or may not have killed 600 people in Westchester, New York and it has implied all the X and X for Wolverine.
Like there's a moment where he's like, he becomes lucid enough from the anti-seizure drug who's like, I remember what I did and I killed all of our friends and you're like, holy fuck. What if you ever read Old Man Logan all of them are dead in that as well? Yes, but that's because Wolverine killed them. Is that how we're lost?
Yeah. Yeah. I think she was the only, I could be completely wrong but I think I was supposed to be the only one left. Like of X-Men?
Yeah, it's not mutants. Yeah. Because Hawkeye's daughter's got some kind of powers because she's Peter Parker's granddaughter, I think if I remember right? Because he bangs.
He's got Hawkeye bangs. Why don't Peter Parker's daughters? Can you say that? It sounds really, really nasty.
Well then, reboot. No, it's not that. If you think about the last Avengers, well, Civil War when you have how young Peter Parker is and the age that Hawkeye is now. You're the winner.
Yeah. You know, you've got young Spider-Man and much older Hawkeye and then he bangs one of Peter Parker's daughters. It's implied that all of his daughters pretty much have daddy issues. I don't agree.
But I'm just saying, like he would be an old man. It's like a animical Smith situation. I wouldn't put that far. Really?
Peter Parker hasn't had any children yet. If you probably want to have children for another eight years or eight years. I'd say her's four clothes are fluckers. She's not that much younger than him.
What, like 20 years? Yeah. This would be more like a 40 year difference. Hawkeye's what?
Probably in his mid to late 40s and I'd be like when I say that. No. No way. Wait, in the comic or in the movies?
In the movies. No way. Look what he's calling me. It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It actually does. You do have the introduction of like I think a Richter and a few other characters.
Is this the birth of New Mutants? I think they're setting, from what I'm doing, they're setting the New Mutants movie like now, like in current times. Is this a missed opportunity to do like the future of mutants and have the new movie set in 20, 29 or whatever it was? That's a question.
Um. Is it a misstep to do a new mutants movie set in the current times as opposed to following the kids that Logan saved and having them be quote unquote, maybe not new, but the new mutants. They talk about how mutants have been born for a while and that's due to this government thing. Um.
Do you think it's a misstep? I think it depends on who they have right this script and I think it depends on the director. Because it could be great both ways. I know that sounds like a cop out answer but it's just one of those if you think about it like with the right writer and the right director, both of them could be phenomenal ideas.
I agree. It's like every time I hear about somebody else getting attached to doing, I was going to say sandman adaptation. It's either going to be awesome or it's going to be terrible. It really depends on the other side.
And Neil came and said you'd rather have no sandman movie than a bad one. Well you know when Joseph Gordon Lovett got attached to the project it was really exciting and then he attached himself to the project. And then it was impressive. Exactly.
But it's like both of them could be really good but you need somebody who knows how to handle the property. Okay. And considering what a track record they have, Vox has what like maybe 60% success rate? And I'm being nice when I say that.
Let's see. Nine, no. Technically two trilities from X-Men. Let's talk about Wolverine specifically.
The Wolverine? No I'm just talking about Wolverine as a character. He said what? Three standalone films?
Correct. How many of them were good? Two. One.
I'd say Wolverine was passable. Really? You want to call it good? I liked it.
Did you like it like you like it like it? No. Like I said, so you've got one fail, one pass and one phenomenal. Okay.
How are they doing with Gavit? Well he is one of the two gays, excellent according to the Archer. However, we'll him and what, Cypher? Mm-hmm.
Just one thing, because that's what Joss Whedon would be if he had a power. Cypher? Yeah. How about that?
Yeah, good. One of the most popular of the X-Men. Have you only seen him in one movie? Have you only seen him in Origin?
And he's terrible. Not bad casting though. It's not bad casting. Is that writing in that direction?
Taylor, Kitch. Yeah, Taylor, Kitch. So I'm going to always say no. I'm John Carter.
Yeah. Did he make his break, was this big break, was it fair to me? Yes, it was. He was one of the leads on that.
But like I said, it's not bad acting. It's bad writing in that direction. Oh yeah, Origin was fucking terrible. God.
I was fucking horrendous. Just how still? Oh, without Origin, we wouldn't have Deadpool. But I'm just saying, how still to Origin was when she's trying to tell him the story of the Wolverine.
Oh my God. I know. And it's like I don't want to blame her. And there are good elements.
And bad CGI. They were not terrible cause. That's cause. They figured out.
They figured out. They figured out. The claws look terrible. I don't know about that.
There were some good parts of Origin. I mean, Liv Shreiber is good. Liv Shreiber is good. Liv Shreiber is good.
Liv Shreiber is good. I mean, he should have the same ring like a motherfucker, but it was worth it. But like I said, no, he was great. And frankly, I'd like to see them with good writing and good direction going head to head.
Actually, there's actually more notes about Logan that I had that tie into Origin. Stop. Continue. Nice.
I'm jumping down to the end of the list. But they had a X24, which is a younger Wolverine clone, which I felt really cheated because I would have liked to have seen them do like Liv Shreiber. Like I would have liked to have seen them do what's like, well, we can't control the Wolverine. You know, we could have controlled saber tooth and have that full circle of him fighting his brother again.
Like, what a totally fucking worked. I think a missed opportunity. It was fun watching Wolverine kind of fight his youth because it was basically the movie Red, which like Youth vs Experience. Nobody's going to fucking fuck with him on the end.
Fun fact, did you know she's a voice in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe? What? Oh, it's Galaxy. What is it?
Oh, you're on your right, Galaxy. Did you know she's a voice on Hitchhiker's Guide? I had no idea. She's a voice of Deep Thought.
That's awesome. It is. Other notes on Logan and then I'll wrap this up. I love that they had Donald Pierce and the Reavers, the Cyborg and Hanson Mutin hunters.
I thought it was a great villain to pull in, especially for the concept of Logan, especially because you keep seeing like how the X-23 program, those young mutants, those new mutants, so to speak, how they reacted to people and how they accidentally cut off a hand or freeze a hand or rip off a leg or whatever. And these security people just get kind of like cybernetic replacements to be able to match the uncontrollable new mutants. Well, we talked about two things about this one. One, we talked about the allegory between puberty and controlling your mutant powers.
Also, it's kind of like metal aqua lips, where nobody ever really dies. You just come back, rebuilds and built them all. Yeah, well, I don't know if I necessarily worth all of that. No, it's just like I said, nobody ever really dies in metal aqua lips.
You just come back with metal legs. That's more archer than it is in metal aqua lips. No, no, because I think they finally killed the guy that keeps getting shot on accident. Brett, yes, Brett got finally killed in the FBI raid.
Okay. Poor Brett. It's a literal magic bullet. Actually, my notes were pretty much done because it says, oh man Logan, sort of.
Well, there's a lot less incest. Okay, that makes it sound like Wolverine commits incest, but. I was talking about the whole. Yeah, in the comics, it's a Hulk, and it's very jiddle.
The whole thing she hulk and, oh god. Who else was going to find it, keep up with it, so like keep up with my pace or something. Something like that, which is. Chokes his cousin and everything.
So many horrible things. I would say that we spoiled pretty much everything. The premise of the movie is pretty much an older Logan, his healing factor is slowed down. It's not keeping up with which I loved.
Because it's the adamantium bullet, right? Wait, wait. I was actually being an asshole, but go ahead. I said adamantium bullet.
Well, is that an adamantium bullet? Is that an adamantium bullet? Is that an adamantium bullet? Is effectively killing him.
Well, I guess we'll have like nickel poisoning from an implant. Well, it's. Or how does that back in the day lead poisoning? And that comes from an excellent unlimited comic where basically the high evolutionary creates this field around Earth that eliminates the x-gene.
And some people are really happy. Like Rogue and Miccrawler. Because Rogue has a terrible power. Right.
You know, some characters are just ambivalent about it, but like Storm or, well Storm and Magneto are like, we were tied like natural forces and we can't feel them. We can live with it, but. We don't like it. But yeah, with Rogue and Miccrawler, it's like, oh, we can walk among people.
And then there's Wolverine who's like, I have a body full of adamantium and no healing factor. And I'm dying. But I think that's a really real thing that would happen. Like, I mean, that's an actual fallout.
So I'm glad they actually talked about that. Is it an X-men? Two? Where Rogue goes to get the cure?
Or is that three? Is that in three? Is that in three? Where there was not a good film?
But it had some really good elements. Well, that's because it was still. Singer, yeah. It was still, well, no.
No, it was directed by Brett Ratner. But it was still co-written by Singer and Dordi. It still had Laura Donner attached to best producer. So you did have good people moving things along.
It's like three had some scenes that were so good they didn't seem to belong in that movie. Like the scene when they have young angel trying to cut off his wings in the bathroom. Oh, God, yeah. And then it had the, it's Ben Foster acting that, but they have the follow-up scene.
Oh, no, well, it wasn't Ben Foster, but it's a little angel. No, no, older angel is Ben Foster. Yeah. Like I said, they have the immediate follow-up scene with him going to get the cure and escaping from the restraints by spreading his wings and breaking out the window.
Those two scenes together were too good for that fucking movie. Well, it was one of those, even though he's cutting off and it's a visceral, I'm sorry, it's a visceral reaction to him. No, it's one of those things like a really young boy trying to make himself normal and it's just so sad. But you look at, if you look at normal human boys going back to puberty, when it happens, like, you've been in there a while.
What are you doing there? Oh, you're doing this. You're a girl. It's a little self-masspiratory.
He's, you know, doing what he's doing to make himself feel good, apparently. I think I'm over some of what I'm talking about. He's trying to get his father's approval by being normal. So he's trying to pick out the triggers.
Oh, that's right. Oh, no, not my son. That's right. Like I said, the dad comes in.
It's just the full blood and feathers. It's terrible. It's a very powerful, very powerful. Like, is that scene too good for that movie?
I think, yeah, I think that. But you also have a follow-up scene later on where, I want to say it's, Iceman comes back and Rogues taking the cure. It doesn't have her powers anymore. And she's sitting there kind of very sadly, not knowing where she belongs in the world anymore.
That's the right, yeah, very end. Yeah, because she, this is her boyfriend, but she's also taken away the thing that connected them the most, which is the human gene. And Wolverine doesn't know what to do. Yeah, he doesn't know what to do.
As I got a surrogate father figure. But it's also in the first film, she talks about her powers and she's like the first boy I kissed was in a coma for three weeks. Yeah, Cody. Remember his name?
It's in the comics as well. But like I said, it's- Because he comes back. She's so tortured by her powers. And there's actually, in the X-Men 90s cartoon, at some point somebody comes in and personates her and makes that with Rogues and says that she lost her powers.
So Rogues and finds the- Oh, sorry, so Gambit goes and finds the actual Rogues thinking that she's invited him for some kind of trick. I think it's Mimek. And that's at the point where he's under Mr. Sinister's control.
Well, like I said, Mimek, in personates Rogues and comes and makes out and Gambit for a few minutes and then walks away. And Gambit thinking it's some kind of invitation goes to find Rogues immediately touches her and she drains him without- And she starts calling him stupid. I remember that episode. So we're the people that remember that?
I don't know, I'll do the whole series on the computer. Not on the computer, but I'm not- It's a computer that I also, whenever I think of 90s X-Men, it's gonna say 90s X-Men cartoon Rogues think of her as having quote unquote 80s mom hair. No, but I didn't check that picture right where it's like, why can't cartoons be drawn like this? Check out that armor.