Hello, welcome to No Applause, just the clap. The only show that says I don't know, fuck it. Let's just hit the ground running. Well, we've been doing this for what, three years now?
Yeah, this is episode 204. Wow. I think we'd run out of intros, and we did. Actually, we were never particularly good at intros to begin with.
No, we really weren't. But some of those were clinesite, we were a little bit too overly ambitious when we started the network, and if we had started the show now, we probably would have named it our second choice, which was Dear Vomit. That wasn't our second choice, it was supposed to be a completely different show than Dear Vomit. Exactly, what I'm just saying, if we knew, we knew now.
No, I mean, I like No Applause as a clap, I think. Every time I've talked to anyone about it, they go, it's a really good title, I said, yeah, it was a really short meeting. I'm sorry I suggested it. I did.
No, you didn't. Well, I agree to disagree. No, you said No Applause and I said just the clap, and both of us started giggling like little kids. I should not remember, so.
You don't, let's call it a group effort. Yeah, yeah. It's not worth it. Not worth it.
So speaking of a group effort, what a great segue. Let's start talking about Silicon Valley season four, and I bring up with effort because this season, the theme was that they were going to try to pivot once again. Okay, I want to know two very specific things about Silicon Valley. Okay, you want to hear my synopsis first?
Yes, not first, but no, it's not. Okay, I don't want to do the questions and then it's like, oh, I could have asked them. No, no, no, no. They're actually about the actors, not about the show.
Okay, so they, um, they try to pivot again. Just like whenever you say pivot, I think of all the terrible TV shows and movies that just got to pivot. Pivot. But it is very much a real tech term in terms of startups, but they try to pivot to this like super amazing video chat, which Dinesh played by Camilla and Johnny made last season.
They're trying to paper chat and they're having a lot of problems trying to fund a sense after last season with the whole, they had the click of farm. Yeah, they had a fiasco with it. Clicked fire and they had bad numbers. Things did not go well.
So the thing is, especially with the fact that the show actually does have a vaguely diverse cast, it's still one of those white people problem shows. Well, I didn't say Silicon Valley, but yeah. I just can't remember the weird subplot they had in Veronica Mars about the one trying to turn Neptune into the new Silicon Valley. Yep, yep.
That was a rapist mirror. Sorry, child and Lester rapist mirror. It was, you know, in Gutenberg. I just really weird role for him to choose to come back for.
He worked. I mean, he was good. Oh, I didn't say he wasn't doing it. I said he was getting pretty down.
I didn't say he wasn't getting it. I said it was a weird role for him to come back to it. Anyways, continue back on. So they paper chat from Piper and they're...
Which I've always hated the company. The next is the run joke. So they go, hey, they're low gap. They go, well, if we can't get respectable investor, let's look at a dis-respectable funder which would be the guy from last season with the, did you watch last season?
Yeah, I mean, I watched that the back billionaire. Remember him? He's not beardy branson, but he's close to beardy branson. So he pops back up and well, Thomas Milli...
He's technically version in mobile. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Except for the fact that, you know, Branson is actually quite successful, he's just a giant asshole. Yeah, so this guy in the show.
So he comes back. Thomas Milli tries to sell on the paper chat. There was a great dialogue between both characters that Milli- I believe in Piper Chat and the investor who's name I came and brought out my head. It's not important.
Like, that's not the dude he wants to fuck. Like, this is all in front of an elementary school, by the way. He's like, can you find that dude? Can you find that dude that you want to fuck him?
You fucking are like, it's great. No, I want to put this in perspective for you. Years ago, I worked with a bartender that was one of the managers that opened the tilted kilt. You know what I'm talking about?
I think it's the now-to-funk tilted kilt. I feel like it just closed within the last few weeks. Oh, yeah, it's got to be recent because it was opened last year. I might be a liar, but I feel like it just closed in the last few weeks.
I worked with the bartender who was a super good guy, super smart. He was one of the managers that helped open that place. And the owner literally told them, don't hire a girl unless you want to fuck her. Well, that's the whole thing you get into, like, oceans 13 where they don't hire- Oh, it's the whole model's waitresses then.
Yeah, it's just like- Like I said, it's like a loop-hole. It's like, you're bad indexes off. Like I said, it's the second-hand man is actually a woman, so she can say those horrible things too. I think it's a fissure.
In? Ocean's 13. I feel like that waitress was paid by a little fissure. If not, it was a redhead that looked a lot like her.
It wasn't a fissure. It was just a- A redhead that looked a lot like her? Yeah. I was saying that was solid 10 years ago.
You thought you saw her? Never mind. I was going to say, you thought you saw her now, you didn't. Yes, she was in the first one.
Thank you. But yeah, no, it's the whole thing where it's like, yeah, I get this is a business where appearances matter and you're basically selling to the lowest common denominator. No, it's like a- It's gun shooters. I mean- I'm talking about Silicon Valley now.
In the tech industry, you think it takes a little more. Especially since Elon Musk is notoriously super boring. Zero. He's a good guy.
He's really smart. He's not a douche with his- Oh, I mean, like, he's like- Personality wise. No, he's personality wise. He's notoriously super fucking boring.
Okay. But it's just one of those where- You know what? I get it, Thomas Middleditch. It's not the girl you want to fuck.
Guy. Something guy you want to fuck. You know what I mean? That guy is fucking hard.
So anyway, so it's the same scenario. So Thomas Middleditch's character goes, you know what? The rest of the pipe hypergroup, which is TJ Miller and Kamala Johnny and Martin Starr. Um- He's a completely TJ Miller-solic job, but continue.
Eh, the drunkenness disorderly thing wasn't that bad. It was an assault and he was high on other things. Yeah, but who really remembers it now? I mean, it wasn't- He's a guy.
So, basically Thomas Middleditch's character says, You know what? He used my algorithm as long as I got cut. So, his algorithm is part of the- Yeah, no, it's been one of the integral- It's been one of the entire series. Well, it's got a Wonderplony on putt.
No, it is completely the Wonderplony. Well, you said the company might follow it up. It's very much the orb from Roscoe Kennedy Jr. Nobody just saw a sci-fi.
We had a guy down right there. Got down right there. Mentioned Roscoe Kennedy Jr. Um, so he goes out to invent the new Internet.
So, him and Elgore, somewhere in inventing the new Internet? Um, I think it's fantastic. I think it shows that they can not get stale on the show and they can go, Okay, well, this is happening to these characters. This character is going off in his own thing.
We're not going to keep doing the whole like- They're trying to get funded, you know, to rig them all- No, it's one of those. They were trying to be a startup. Like I said, they were, you know, a garage based Internet company. They were trying to get money.
And they moved on from that. And then they became a successful company. Sort of. Yeah.
And then they had to find something new because of what they were doing wasn't working anymore. So, I mean, I liked- And now it's just, no, I like that they're keeping to growing the characters. The question is that this is kind of in a slow burn on the series. Like it's always been a vaguely successful series, but it's getting more and more popular.
It's one of those. It's a critical dark. Oh, so it's like, if you have HBO Go, you'll love this. If you don't, you've never fucking heard of it.
It's one of those. It's a critical dark. I don't know what kind of ratings it's getting. I mean, gotta be moderately good because it's now in the fourth season.
Yeah, but it's one of those things. HBO's got money. HBO, nobody fucking watches it's actually years. I know it's on to the end or on Go.
I agree. I think HBO's a smart enough company where much like Yahoo with community, it went- Not a good example. We have no great example. No, no, no, no.
Screen blamed community for ending screen. But I mean, in terms of that, you have an infrastructure that can actually monitor every time it's being watched, not just the Nielsen box ratings. Oh, we have to sit completely outdated. You know what I mean?
HBO, no, okay. They didn't watch it this Sunday, but they watched it that Monday on on demand or on Go. So you get a bit more of a realistic take on the actual ratings. Do you remember about- HBO's got the money where they go.
They go, okay, it's not a huge commercial hit, but it's a critical darling and will keep it going. But it's one of those things. Like, do you remember it actually might be more like 15 or 20 years ago when they finally started actually tracking CD sales. Okay.
And they're talking about CD sales. CD sales next time. CD sales are still. It's nowhere but still.
CD sales through the holiday season. And so they're tracking a very specific album through the CD season right by the holiday and then they tracked it for three weeks after that. And they're like, yeah, pretty much the CD that got bought the most got returned the most. I think that's kind of like the Nielsen thing where it's like Nielsen doesn't matter anymore.
So it's like nobody wants to put it in some other- It's the electoral college of network television. Oh god, absolutely yes. I mean, that's- Do you want to put it in a perfect metaphor? That's a perfect metaphor.
But it's one of those like, yeah, nobody watched it live. Everybody watched it later. Literally everyone. I don't watch Silicon Valley night.
I mean, I don't- My membership at Silicon Valley is it's one of those shows that I don't enjoy week to week so I'd like to binge it. I'd like to do at least three or four in a row. No, that's one of those I can't wait to get to it because it's so fucking funny. I mean, that's literally the reason I want to watch it.
Tom, do you have any more thoughts before I ask you my actor questions? Please go for the actor questions. Thomas Middleditch is becoming more and more profitable and popular. He's done two very successful commercial- It's for Horizon.
He did Horizon. He also did the Tina Fey MasterCard commercial. Sure. He's becoming more and more profitable as an actor outside the series.
He's got curating. He's bankable. Also, he's not threatening. He's really funny.
And I'm guessing he follows the rules because he hasn't got fired for seasons. Well, I mean, you know, he's- You think about that. You think about the weird out behind the music where he's like, I don't do drugs. I don't drink.
This is the most boring thing ever. But Middleditch, like, he's- I'm sorry, go ahead. No, it's just one of those. He seems like a professional.
Yeah. We like that fun. We saw that when he was being interviewed. But- It's one of those things where it's like, Middleditch, I know you like doing the series, but you're about to kind of go into a whole new level.
Are you going to keep doing this and make the crap on you that HBO's probably giving you? Oh, I don't think it's going to be funny on a fourth season. No way. I bet him and Camilla are not making nearly the TJ Miller money.
Um, Deadpool. Yeah. Even after his- Yeah, but that's what he's doing a certain project versus- Yeah, but he was an established character in a certain project that has a certain second and probably third act to it. Talking about Paul T.J.
Miller. Yeah. Um- There's no way they don't have TJ Miller in Deadpool 2. Oh, I know.
Well- Oh, I know. Uh, Roger Devlin. Roger Kebeler. Kebeler if you want to go on Kebeler.
I still surprised he's not Michael Shannon. I'm surprised he's not Kere Knightley. She actually probably would look pretty good with the flat-top. No, just got range.
Um, you might watch that movie for the 80 millionth time a couple days ago. Anyways, what I said, it's one of those where- it's a good series. Yeah. But it's not an incredibly popular series.
Not something everybody's watched. And now that TJ Miller and Thomas Middleditch are both getting more- Commercial work. I was going to say successful- Not at literal on commercials, but I mean like mainstream work. Like I said, now that both of them are making a lot more money and didn't they do the weird- Looker ends.
The weird- Um- It wasn't a cardie, but- No, it was vodka. Sky? No. No.
Absolute. No. The one with the S and the V. Sveka.
No. Sveka's too good for them. It's the one with the red. It's the one with the red.
There we go. I mean except for vodka. That's why I went Sveka and I'm like, okay. Well no, Sveka makes sense.
No, do they do the weird like- Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah, Thomas Middleditch and- And T.J.
Miller which also had the weird- You know, Zech Miller can't control the volume of his voice. You know like Zech- Zech Woods, or Zech Wood, I'm not sure on that one. Was in Spy with most of my cardages and states. I mean, they're all coming out of- Well, but you also have Martin Starr who's been successful for at least ten years now.
Oh, more than that for weeks. But like I said, he's been a constantly working actor that is recognized. He's the Stanley Tucci of his generation. I agree with that.
Like I said, he's a solid character actor that actually makes very interesting, unique characters in whatever series that he's in. And completely- He's all the gel out of time with these he's been in. Because he's one of the gluesies. He's kidding me, I lost to my shit watching him in Party Town.
But he's like the completely underperforming- The hard sci-fi writer. Like I said, the completely underperforming script writer. And he convinces Brian Hanson to shave his eyebrows for the cancer day. Oh, that's right, yeah.
That's a great job. Which ain't Lynch, yeah. Um, why don't we just jump into the DC TV? Or did you have more?
No, no, I'm thinking. I'm like, do you think that either of them are going to leave the series or not? No. I think it's one of those.
You think that's the passion project? Yes. Um, no, I think that they're all friends. And I was listening to it.
They had a- And why the hell does Camille Longianna have more popularity and success? Do you love him? I know. And he was like cut as a voice in Zootopia and it sucks.
Well, yeah, I mean Zootopia was pretty jam-packed. Is it what they cut him? That was probably for a reason. Um, you know, I think that they're all friends and I think they're fun doing the show.
And it is a passion project as opposed to a vanity project. I think it's a passion project at all. I agree that I think they want to be on the show. They love the show.
Um, I agree that I think it's the day job as well because even though you've got, you know, Zack wouldn't spy, um, TJ Miller in Office Party. That wouldn't spy. Uh, TJ Miller in Deadpool and Office Party, uh, Office versus Party. Oh, the horrible failure.
It was- it was- it was already. Like, you know what I mean? Like outside of them doing that. Like, they're all in movies and they shoot Silicon Valley very quickly.
I still don't get why TJ- I'm sorry not TJ Miller. Why Zack Middle-Ditch is done. Tom Middle-Ditch. Why did I say Zack?
Because I was almost like what? Because I was almost like what? Because I said, I don't get why Middle-Ditch is now done like six or seven for Horizon commercials. Well, he was in that search party movie with rid of TJ Miller and, um, Adam Palley.
I talked about it a while ago. But it's one of those like, oh, they must have given you a bag of honey to do for Horizon. Uh, sure. Also, I really hate the whole drop in micro front thing.
You seem like an asshole. Uh, I didn't the first one. So I was funny. And after that I was like, yeah, yeah.
So. Who said all of the things silent? No, we're not- we're gonna talk about DC TV. Uh, I tried to watch all these zombie I fell asleep.
And not because there was anything wrong with my zombie. I was just that tired. What the third episode was? Shit.
Oh, yeah. That was funny. No, no, no. There was nothing wrong with the episode.
I was just that tired. It was kind of like one of those like, it was a fun premise. It was one of those episodes where it didn't really move the plot along. Yeah, it didn't move the series arc along.
It was just one of those like, you know what would be funny? It was just like the office gossip, like, hall monitor character. I can't remember if it was on screen rate or if it was actually on IONI. But there was a really good article up recently.
And the title was, I can't believe it took us this long to get to a Dominator's plot on IONI's zombie. And I laughed so fucking loud just when I read that headline. Oh my God. Is that going to be the season?
I think that's going to be the next episode. So from my favorite one is the one where Liv eats the... No, resist. Please let it be the racist.
Of the season? No, no, no. No, no, no. So from my favorite one is the one where Liv eats the...
No, resist. Please let it be the racist. Of the season? No, no, no, no.
No, in general. Oh, yeah. When you're one of the... Yeah.
You're one of the big ones. Five. That's my favorite episode. Do I still love the bit when all of the people are eating Rob Thomas's brain at the end of the last season.
Of course I do. But yeah, Crepiel Liv might be my favorite. But it's still just the one where Liv is interrogating all of the kids. She's like, I need to tell her with you about this and this and this and the girl looks at her time.
I've got 20 minutes after fourth period. Yeah. She eats the high score. Yeah.
Which is the same episode that has the girl who played a character on Arrow who's a kid can't remember. Two bit. No, no. The girl that Sarah was looking after her dad was the pilot that died.
She went on to work on Scream. I don't know what she's doing now. Not Sing. What was her name?
I think I'm living. I think I'm living. The one that accidentally got shot at the Gunsburg ice cream event. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, obviously it was an ice cream. It was cancer cash. But so. Yeah.
If you go up on Flash, Mira, not their back. Just go. Well, oh, which by the way, Grant Custer got engaged. Okay.
No, I'm having a long time waiting for him to get engaged this weekend. Good for you, Bre. It's a flasher. It's not unfortunately.
They did make a bunch of Green Lantern jokes about it because it's got a lot of carrots. It's a flasher. A flasher? It's a diamond that has a lot of cuts in it and it's very big so it's always flashing.
Okay. You're a terrible girl. I am. Yes.
In terms of this episode of Flash, Barry runs as a future. Again. Again. To 2020 24 to figure out who Sabotar is.
Do you find out who it is? No. Of course you don't. You find out that in this dystopian future Mira Master and the top have taken over Central City, Barry is 10 times more emo in the future after he's given up after Iris' death.
What's hair look like? Imagine longer than Tobey McQuire's when he's under the influence of the symbiote. Oh, no. Yeah, he's emo.
Like all the way to the shoulder blade. Almost. My chemical romance Howard Hughes vibe. Hashtag my chemical romance Howard Hughes vibe.
I'm going to need everyone to upload pictures immediately. You find out that it's like the worst devil walk you've ever seen after somebody came up on Humble Graves. No, not even Devil Walk. No, but I'm just like, you know, it's very like eyeliner and hairdryps like it's bad.
So it would be like if Chris Hardwick started Megan's body, Jennifer's body. Excuse me, Jennifer's body. Yeah, actually, yeah. Yeah, you're that one.
Yeah, Chris Hardwick started Jennifer's body. Peter Hardwick. He's a bad brother. I mean, sorry, he's a larger brother.
You do find out, depressingly, while Caitlin Snow had become killer frost. At one point she fights the vibe and freezes his fucking hands off. Like, yeah, I'll have to do his brother. No, like, shh, shatter.
No, but I'm just saying that. And he has a rope. His brother, go ahead. No, the brother had a nerve damage but still had hands.
This is like- Does he go full on solo? I'm sorry. Luke Skywalker? Yeah, he's got two robotic hands but he can't use his five power.
No hands, no powers. Like literally saying that. I'm literally- I'm a robot hands and I started to do like inside my head. I'm sorry.
Which makes me think of the episode of Arch over, he's destroying the pool balls with a choking machine. Oh, and Cheryl. Cheryl, Cheryl Carols totally into it. Crystal.
Anastasia. So, he ends up- Powerless? Well, no. Passberry.
Which we need to talk about, by the way. I haven't watched that happen. So is everyone else who lives in the schedule? That's why.
They pulled it from the schedule. It wasn't. Yeah, it wasn't. It had potential.
It was a bad time slot and a bad network. And it had Ron Fudges and Danny booty. And Alan Todek. And I mean, the cast is great.
I loved it. I was gonna say not him, I hated his character. Yeah. Van Lain, are you fucking kidding me?
Thanks for bringing Keating Assholes. That wasn't bringing Keating. Van, it was a real character. How long ago?
Sevenies? I've been interested in the last 50 years. Yes, because that would include the 70s. 45 years.
Still would include the 70s. 40 years. No, probably not. And I think we're done.
Um, but I mean, it's a conical character. Well, that's all I'm saying. Um, the character does exist. Let's finish talking about, I was gonna say, blashing everyone and then we've got an argument about powerless.
So, Passberry manages to pull everyone from 2020 to 2020. 24, back like Team Flash. Um, he goes... No, I'm saying Team Flash, it sounds like a weird team.
I'm glad she's what they call themselves. But like I said, it sounds like a weird team power group. Like Team Arrow. Only Felicity calls him that.
Uh, she calls it the Arrow Cave. So, what else would she call? No, no, there's some... Not for quite some time, but yes.
I think they're leading back up to Alyssa. I honestly think so. I honestly think so. But uh, so...
So, very pulls everyone, Passberry pulls everyone together, um, to take on NearMaster and top and then goes back, helps them fight, uh, let loose Killer Frost, who you find out is the only person who knows who Sabotare is, um, which went to the end of the episode, Caitlin Frost, in the current time. Uh, here's Sabotare calling. She meets him and he comes out of the armor, but you don't see who it is. So she meets him as Killer Frost.
He reveals himself, but they're gonna make you wait because they're assholes. Yeah, because there's like what, three episodes left maybe on this season? I'm no idea. Um, rumor has it, it could be Robbie Raymond, I don't think so.
Are you sure? If it is, it's another Earth Robbie Raymond, it could be the death, uh, what do they call them? What's the bad, what's the bad, the storm? Death Storm from a different Earth?
Um, I think they'll be a cop-out, um, also doesn't make any sense in that. Yeah, and they'll ever take it the easy way out, ever before. No, I know, but... Do you want to be the way you just small grilling hands to do something for me later?
My hands are not small or girly. They're small or they're not? Okay, can we just go small and manly then? Your hands are small and manly?
Okay, so you got big man hands and I've got small... man hands. Sure honey. No, no, we'll go with me and have big man hands.
If that makes you comfortable. Crashingator. Cuckus! Cuckus!
Truckosaurus and that would be the color one foot. Cuckus! I can't remember the name of the Greek family that lives underneath her. Did?
Urger? Yeah. Oh, I don't know, that's a thing that's not quite vulnerable. So we need to know about error.
About what? Error? Error? The one you want to know now?
Kind of actually. Um, because I have a serious problem. It's been five years. Okay.
Give up the flashbacks. They did, actually that's my one note. There were no flashbacks to this episode. Yeah, not.
And it felt a little weird. So I read some news, there are going to be some more and some current episodes. Well, I mean they can still flashback to stuff that happened during that five years as long as it informs the plot. But at this point we know why he went back to Leonio.
We know, you know, everything. It's just now it's like, they can say like, well we didn't show you. We might have shown you January in this flashback, but you didn't see February. Like, you know what I mean?
Like, there's a lot of wiggle room for them to do flashbacks to inform the audience about where all the people are. I can't let some lazy plot wise. At this point I agree. Five years.
At this point I agree. Um, but it was weird. It was weird. Arrow, you set up the whole universe.
Get your shit together. Yeah, it's, I wouldn't call it a sophomore slump, but it's. Been a sophomore slump for the last four years? No, I disagree with that.
I'm fine. Two years. I get that flash was super hot out of the box, phrasing, but it doesn't mean you need to fucking stick around with this. And frankly, we didn't buy the ground.
They haven't really been delivering very strong plot lines or character development or anything particularly moving for the last two seasons. Like, this makes sense and this makes sense. Let's do this and also it's typewriter hands. I think they're holding pattern creatively.
I think they don't know what to do. That's the problem is that one of those things is where they're actually kind of lucky that they're at the CW. So the CW does not necessarily cancel the rated shows, especially if it has a good viewership and a good cold following. I mean, that's how Ray made it for fucking seasons.
That's why Crazy X girlfriend is now in his third season. Like I said. And it is the lowest rated show on that television. I was just in a podcast with Richard Bloom about that.
Like I said, the CW does not swear by Nielsen. Why? Because they're not fucking stupid. No, they know that, you know, between online and traditional watching, like, you know, it's- And then DBR.
Yeah, yeah. Like I said, but it's one of those things where I'm like, you know why the CW is not dumb. I mean, they have a much younger viewership that must networks, but yeah, the CW is not dumb. It really bothers me that they had such a good product.
A product so good that they brought in the other shows. Supergirl, which they rescued, The Flash and Legends of Tomorrow, which we won't talk about because I just get pissed. And they basically let it rot in the field. I get that you're splitting your talent.
In terms of error, you're saying? Plot lines with error for the last seasons. Like I said, I get that you're splitting your talent. But if you couldn't run yourself that thin, why did you do it?
Well, that's more of a studio thing than a- I can't. That's a Berlin-T thing. But I think it's Berlin-T. Let's talk about that.
If you didn't think you could do four shows at once, why did you even fucking try? Well, I mean, I know I bit not more than I could chew on the network because you're so ambitious to want to do X, Y, Z projects. But you need good people underneath you. And he has excellent people underneath him.
Yes, I know all the other shows as well. Exactly. I think with any good show, you need two people. Well, I think he hasn't found the right people to delegate.
And I can't knock him for that because I think- Then why did he even try? If he didn't have the right people to delegate, he shouldn't have done it. Well, that doesn't mean that- He's running all the properties because he tried to do too much. Like the only one that's going to come out of this well is probably just going to be the flash.
I agree. Arrow's been suffering for a really long time. I stopped watching fucking legends after the first season. Yes, he told me I should give him another try, but it was unwatchable.
And did you really think Supergirl was capable, especially after you did a musical episode? I don't think that's a problem. It's not. It was a completely different universe.
Yeah, her and Grant Duster sent together were awesome, but it was not a great thing. But it was not something that you could do to- Are you checking for a cat? No, too bad. Like I said, it was not something that was savable.
It was a property that was sold to the raw network because they thought, Hey, maybe we can do another Lois Eclor. Why? I love that fucking show. Lois Eclor was awesome, but it never went to any of the superhero things that actually happened in a Supergirl on CW.
Do I really like the next season? They're supposed to get close to a fraw card back? I do. I like that.
I think that would be great. I don't think it's salvageable. I think the third season will be the one where they- Make it a frick it. Yeah, I think that's- They can't do- We talked about this.
I think that's a complete 180 tunnel shift from NBC's Supergirl to CW's Supergirl on the second season. But that's exactly what they tried to do. I think they were trying to straddle the line. I don't think it worked.
It did not. Not even a little bit. So I think this one's going to be closer to the CW mission statement in terms of their superhero shows. So, I mean, I think they should give Supergirl season three.
See how it does. I actually really think that DCE, the cinematic universe, kick DCPB, Red and Dick. Yeah, we talked about this before. No, but I mean, even more now, where we're getting a lot more news about like saving a walk with man or than the new, you know, Justice League.
And it's one of those where people are discounting more and more what DCEB is doing. But in fact, it's interesting and new and different. I disagree. I think if you look at the people that watch, I think- I think- I think Person A, as opposed to us, looks at Justice League and goes, Okay, and they're not the people watching Flash Arrow Legends Supergirl.
I think the people that are watching- Nobody's watching Supergirl don't fucking lie to yourself. Uh, but it wasn't like me at all. I don't watch it. But the people that watch that know that it's a better quality than the DC, uh, Okay, let's stick this back.
Think about yourself as a kid in the 90s. Okay. You remember the 90s Flash, right? I do.
Very follow up. A Flash movie came down in the 90s, not starring, you know- Mostly, uh, um, yeah. I was actually gonna say Mark came up with some weirdness, but anyways. Would you be pissed?
Um, if I was like my age now then, you mean? Like I said, no, like it's- no, no, you was like 14 year old or- I don't wonder why. I mean- No, no, it's just like, would you be interested and would you be ticked off? Because I'm talking about the CW viewership, which in my head is probably somewhere between 10 and 25.
I don't know if pissed off was the right word. I mean- I'd be disinterested that one. Not my Flash. Exactly.
It'd be a not my white canary thing. Why can I- I don't- I don't- Do not remember that- I mean, black canary matters. But like I said, it's one of those- it would be a not my Flash situation. Yeah.
So I feel like with this whole thing with DC, they're alienating a giant part of what they could be their viewership and people that would actually buy merchandise. I disagree. I think they've either through smart or stupidity. I don't know which.
I don't know. I only- I only time will tell on it. A little both. It's gonna fall in either one way or the other, eventually.
But, they've gone like, look, these are two separate universes. You can keep watching, you know, Justin Flash or you can have this as a Miller Flash. They're different flashes. Nobody likes as a Miller.
Haven't seen them enough in Flash or just as like so. I don't know and I will reserve- I will reserve my judgment until the movie comes out. You realize this is just gonna result in one of the two of us dealing with the theater and screaming non-canonical. Not my Flash!
Hashtag very lives matter. You have anything to say about Supergirl? No, I wouldn't. Well, you have anything to say about Legends?
It's still between seasons two and three, so no? Well, no. Netflix keeps urging me to watch Legends on Netflix. That's why- I say watch season two B or whatever you want to call it.
Well, the- the problem is that it's kind of like Parks and Rec. And I have this conversation with you where I'm like, well, if you get through the first two seasons, the third season's great. Do I really want to suffer through the first two seasons? Did you with Parks and Rec?
No, I didn't actually. Oh, I did. Um, but it's one of those, like, I didn't watch it until pretty much the series was done. Did you- for something off your fucking phone?
You had to really talk about it right now. Except for the fact that you're doing fucking with it for the last five minutes. No point of me to talk about it right now. So that means we're done talking, I guess.
We just can't talk about the fact that you apparently had a hang nail and tore it out? Nope. I tear skin off me all the time. Don't worry about it.
Okay, okay. So, um, I think I've talked about it before. I've read up and I've said read, but I've listened to a series for quite some time. My an author called- I found some fucking bedroom.
It's called the Hollow series. Okay. And it's a series about basically a witch. And like I said, so at one point in the 60s, a massive viral plague got released on everyone everywhere.
Okay. But it mostly affected humans. So now humans are actually the minority, and so which is vampires- Okay. Where's pixies, fairies?
Yeah, and the aspects of the fairies are still super tiny. Like I said, quite a ways into the series. It's probably at least ten books in it. Wow.
And it's one of those series where the complaint I have is that the lead character is seven to the point of being stupid. Yes, yeah. How about this up before? However, what I was going to talk about is she read a prequel book.
She read a prequel book about the accidental release of the virus that kills everyone. Okay. And I'm reading it now. Let's see.
Let's see. Let's see. Now. And I'm a little ticked off of the book that both of the lead characters are ambiguous is to which one's the asshole.
What do you mean? They're both geneticists. Yeah. They both developed genetically mutated things.
Okay. D't try and all people. Oh, pigly four. Yeah, pigly four basically.
They both developed pigly four. Like I said, so one of them developed this drought-resistant tomato. Okay. Which, like I said, is this great thing and I got released and planted all over the world.
And the other one screwed with the genetic code for that tomato to make it die. But in screwing with that, some type of deadly virus that basically kills all humans was also attached to it. However, he's claiming it wasn't his fault and somebody screwed with him after with. Who the Trump-Mato guy?
Yeah. He's like, yes, I did this to kill your tomatoes, but I did not kill everybody else. It was this dude who has since committed suicide. Okay.
So it's one of those things I probably half way through the book. And it's terrible. Of the first book? No, no, no, it's a prequel book.