With us again is Andrew Yang the can I call you a futurist do we accept this title? You know I used to joke Ethan that people call me a futurist, but I'm actually a presentist It's all going on right now. That's and I was contrasting myself with other political figures who seem stuck in the past It's like everyone's arguing for some version of the past So so you know, but if people call me a futurist, I mean it sounds cool It makes me sound with it and forward thinking so I mean I'll take it that is a good point though I mean the ideas that you are speaking about only you know a year or two ago before COVID Is already here now UBI was your was your kind of main? main platform and Once COVID hit this whole UBI discussion came forefront like all of a sudden this isn't such a bad idea Yeah majority of Americans now support universal basic income that just came out this week and Something like 76% of Americans favor cash relief during the pandemic Which is as you can tell a very close cousin to universal basic income and we're getting a ton of economic data right now That's showing that the money we're putting in a people's hands has been enormously positive for the economy for those individuals and families for people's ability to continue to spend money in Their local communities, so it's been like a large-scale Kind of involuntary UBI trial, but I'm happy to say that it seems like now its mainstream wisdom and the majority of the American people support it I just wish it didn't have to be under these circumstances But thank you all because you were ahead of the curve pre-pandemic you were like actually a good idea And then now we all look like geniuses because everyone's like we should totally freakin do this no the timing was crazy because once like Once the bandemic hit and everyone started talking about cash relief like your name started trending on Twitter Because everyone was like dude Andrew has been talking about this right before it happened the timing was unbelievable But what the government has done like you said is cash relief It's not really UBI whereas a lot of other countries have gone beyond and just said you know during During this crisis.
We're gonna give you cash every month our government has stopped short of that there gave one time $1,200 Is that enough in your opinion to to really help people get by? Well, it's better than nothing, but it should have been recurring They should have done that sort of thing every month for virtually everybody. I just want to say how Happy I was to see you and Hila with your help economic relief where you're just giving folks $500 which is an enormous difference maker I know because we know we've been doing something similar now But our government should have been doing that kind of thing from day one for virtually all of us and the thing that made me There's a lot of things that made me very angry about our approach But we were using the IRS as a tool to get people these checks and that was the right move under the circumstances But it still misses a ton of people there are a lot of people that are not filing tax returns that don't make enough money in many cases And when we were trying to get money to people we were just doing what ordinary people would do which was like Ven willing or cash-apping or PayPal. I mean, that's how you and I send money to each other when we send each other money every night Which you know But like if individuals are trying to send money to each other, you know, like you can just do it So that's what my work has been doing our government How can our government not use an app that like millions of us use?
So they wanted to get money to us like get money to us. I wonder do they it almost seems like Too unofficial the government sending money to people through like Venmo or something Do they make their own proprietary thing like how do they do that really within it just seems odd for the government to send a trillion dollars over Venmo? It would have been awesome. I mean I would have been awesome.
I agree. Is that is that a real? Here is that a realist? I should say cash app.gov because I'm better friends with Jack Yeah, so It's I mean it's what I don't know about how unofficial it seems But that is the kind of move that I wish we'd made and at this point the vast majority of Americans know we need to do a lot more for people I'm friends with a guy who has essentially a dashboard to the financial pictures of Over two million American temp gig and contract workers And so he's seeing their financial fortunes rise and fall in real time And he said that like their jobs started to evaporate in March But a lot of them kept getting money from the unemployment benefits And I was like the big lifeline for a lot of these folks and then he saw those benefits end in July and then all the sudden Stuff just starts heading down.
He also said that the temp and gig opportunities have gone down by 60% We had large so a lot of people don't have jobs to seek out and they had money and now they're not having money And so he's seeing it all Evaporate in August so we should be doing more of what we did in April we just send people money We should be doing it to virtually everyone every month dear point to Ethan because they're doing a lot of those sorts of things in other parts of the world Right. Yeah, I mean we're in the situation I don't know people are gonna continue to get by because like you said the benefits basically just stopped right where if you're unemployed People are getting extra $600 on top of their unemployment and I know for a lot of people they said this is huge This is helping me a lot That's that's ran out now, right? And so I Genuinely and soup and then at the same time you have in a lot of places the the eviction moratorium expiring and I feel like we're kind of on the verge of of a cliff that we're about to fall off of I mean and and in the Meantime the Congress isn't isn't pushing any new relief bills or they're incapable of coming to some kind of compromise I mean it just seems like We're right on the blades edge right now The fact that my friend with this company and he has a dashboard Yeah, like you can see people's way of life deteriorating in front of you Something like 30% of Americans are trouble meeting housing payments last month and so if you have an eviction moratorium and and People's unemployment benefits start to dry up. You're going to see mass evictions and Folks know are going to be an unthinkable situation.
It's pretty quickly. It really does make me very angry that Our Congress isn't doing the obvious. It's just showing how dysfunctional Yeah, it's at this point. I mean it's why I ran for president and you know now I'm shifting gears because you know you have to do whatever you kind of solve the problem So now I shifted gears to giving money to folks like you've been doing.
Thank you everyone who donated yeah And pushing for other solutions, you know, I'm trying to get Trump out because I think that none of these problems are going to get addressed meaningfully Unless we have a different set of leaders, but that nothing I just said should stop members of Congress right now from doing what the vast majority of Americans want to see in the Formant cash relief again, you know, it's like if some of the six percent of Americans are for something Why is it so hard for our members of Congress to come together and say oh, let's just do it everyone right? It's obvious economists say it's the right thing to do well, you know It was just baffling that like they just they went on vacation Congress just bounced they want to vacation without a deal I mean, it's like just losing faith and the entire system of our of our government I was shocked that they just like I find it so ironic that they're sitting on a cushy salary They've got health insurance They've got pension They've got all these things that normal Americans would like to see from their jobs and for them It's so easy to just walk away and take a vacation while the rest of the country is burning I mean, it's it's crazy that that's even that they can even do that Well, they're in their districts right now and hopefully they're hearing the same thing They're hearing everyone say yo get back there and fucking pass Bill a recovery bill I bet they're hearing that every day all the time. I hope they are certainly like I've been pushing in any way I can And hopefully you reasonable to mail. I just hope it doesn't require something Disasterous for reason to prevail over there.
Well, they say about Americans I think Churchill said this you can count on America to always do the right thing once they've exhausted every other option Yes, so right now they're going to exhaust the people somehow survive on nothing option. Yeah, that doesn't work You know that the tough part is so let's say that I was a an awesome Spirited person and I ran for Congress and then I won and then I show up It's like you show up in there It's like all this entire giant hierarchy that's been built up and then they're like a couple of deal makers in your party And you're like hey, I would like to make a deal But I don't have control over my caucus and then we have a few lead negotiators and the other party has the negotiators in this in this case It was you know Mitch McConnell trying to rally Republican senators and see if they can reconcile it with Nancy Pelosi's House bill those pass by the Democrats you go by to your district and everyone's yelling at you and you're like man I like I can't get this thing done I mean part of the problem is that you have these two sides in Congress that They can go home without a deal and then blame the other side and say well Close the gap There's been a lot of talk I've seen of a four-day work week That seems to be something that you've been focusing a lot on lately I'll tell you from I experienced when I was working a desk job and Israel I worked a normal office job five days a week the whole nine to five ninety six and I was that whole time I was like dude, I could I could do this in four days easily I mean when you're sitting at a desk you waste so much time and I always thought that that idea was brilliant because It's got to do a wondrous for morale right? I mean have you been reading studies and literature about that? Yeah, the data is tremendous around a four-day work week and it's also common sense because work kind of expands to fit into whatever time You have you like you might give you about the stuff to do with me like you got five days It's gonna take you five days right if I say you've got this much to do You have four days you for days with the promise of an extra, you know week.
It's motivating You know in Israel we don't have one day weekend So you know it's funny when I moved here. I was like this is like a dream I love the long weekend, but I started to feel like I wish I had one more day I started to feel guilty about that like I really can't get enough can I like wait wait tell me more so Israel like Just a one day I'm guessing it's Saturday. Yeah, so I'm Sunday is the first day of the week. It's not Monday So that is wild how that like I consider myself a fairly worldly cosmopolitan person and I did not know that yeah School is Sunday through Friday and you only have Saturday off.
They go to school six days a week. Can you imagine that hell? Yeah, all right. I'm gonna say something.
Please don't judge me. Yeah, I went to prep school that had classes on Saturday So I actually oh my god you can imagine that whole week and so I can imagine it and it was not pretty Yeah, I just read about it only recently because you've been talking about it And I find the whole idea so interesting and I think I want to read more about it and learn What it really means because we actually have a business and we have maybe 20 employees So we could decide to go that route for everyone, but I would have to know like what exactly it would mean Yeah, you should look into it for sure and then maybe even run like a trial In case you run a trial, but the data is very positive where it says that productivity Other states the same or goes up in the sense like you get the same amount of work done And then there are reduced stress levels increase morale like the people use that extra day off in a way that they find restorative and productive in like a you know personal way and so it's Me it's like upside on the personal side and the on the business side of the productivity side There's really no loss in some cases. They're there are positives So and to me society wide to America in particular and you guys have like a very distinct Job I do say so but but like America generally has this this workaholism problem or some one person called a workism Which is probably like maybe a better name where? Keynes projected decades ago said we'll be down to a 15 hour work week because we sell rich and it turns out his estimates of the top line We're right like we are as rich as he said we were gonna be but our work week are actually migrating longer not shorter because of the nature of corporate culture and the economy where it's like you have to be always on and available and the works on a creeps and That is what's happening right now, and it's driving health problems stress problems relationship problems Like that there are a lot of signs already that the American work culture is kind of morphed into something not terribly healthy And so I think a four-day work week would be a massive improvement for many many corporate cultures And I gotta say like a lot of times you're you're there like you're not doing shit No, you know probably like one day a week you're just like I didn't do shit I mean I was I probably was spending 30 hours a week on Reddit I've I've gone to pages of Reddit that men have never even known.
I mean there are thousands of pages back unknown pages of Reddit When you're in Israel you were like someday I'm going to be a massive internet creator and I'm going to spend my time My nigg like the deepest depths of the internet in preparation Yeah, it was prep you know in Finland in Finland the Prime Minister had called for employers to allow employees to work Not only four days, but six hours a day. So they are taking it to the next level Right And Finland they're saying no work, but you know I'll tell you what as business owners were always thinking about like morale and you want to retain the good You want to retain the talent and make sure that they're happy and says why working there? So I'll tell you what on a four-day work week. I don't think anyone's gonna leave your Yeah, I mean Retention would be very very high.
I'm sure you're your staff that are listening to this like subtly nodding big like yes Yeah, I don't know if I can do that for you Dan and Ian and it's a because we have a production schedule What can I do? I can't give you the you know what I'm saying. I mean, I'm sorry. I used to work in movies This is this is easy by comparison.
You don't work as like 14 hours days regularly And this is as someone because I've also run startups and most of the startups I ran We worked our asses off. You know what I mean? So like it so there isn't like There isn't some something against hard work. I mean I love working hard You know it's one of the funny things about running for president on universal basic income or people like what about work and then?
Like depending upon my mood. I would have responded different ways sometimes I'd be glib and be like I'm Asian I love work Then you know back off a little bit but But that is one of the fallacies right about the UBI people say oh you're just not gonna work But I feel like that's such a misunderstanding of the human condition I mean nobody just wants to have no purpose in life I mean that's outrageous well This is a thing that like you know like makes makes you laugh is like they'll say two things simultaneously One work is the most important element of human life and without it We are lost and two no one will want to do it if you give them a little bit of money Don't really come together. It's like if it's so crucial and wouldn't we do it? That's a great point I feel like also the beautiful thing about UBI is that it goes to everyone at any Different position that they are in life so you could be having a crisis you could be having a mental mental thing that doesn't allow you to work Right now, you know you could be having a physical injury that you can't work right now Even if you want to so it reaches everyone at different places in their life You know of course yeah Like it's it's funny that you're just thinking about this one situation where you're healthy and you do want to work But like you're not gonna work because you have money Yeah, what if you have an alien loved one what if you have a young child or something or mental illness or you know like right now We have this incredible theemic or we have a yeah, or you're in a pandemic We have this homeless problem homelessness problem That's just kind of crushing LA right now And if you gave each homeless person if there was that bottoms, you know social safety net I think you would see a lot lot less almost probably to zero in terms of homelessness, you know Now if you had that level of resources you could reduce homelessness very very dramatically the issue it would be the transition Because some of the people at homeless right now are have mental health problems or drug addiction problems and then and and don't may not even have a bank account Where it's a yes, I'm gonna send you the money like what's my on but over time if you knew that everyone had this money that they were entitled to Then you would reduce homelessness pretty quickly because then we just look around and be like wait a minute What's going on this person has got like thousand dollars a year in value like you know I just eat their freaking Make sure that it's actually working for them in a way and and to extend that people are in a position where it would work for them Because of their own volition like it actually pretty straightforward to like help it work for them where you'd have like an organization being like Every person I like bring into the shelter like we're like thousand dollars Get that done It's it is funny how Market driven everything is in the US But if you give everyone intrinsic value then all of a sudden like the market value starts kicking in for people You know the other the other kind of nice thing I like about the four day week is something I always thought about when I was working in my my desk job It's like You pointed out this kind of workaholicness I think it's kind of in Israel It's the same you know and a lot of developed countries or around the world I think people just have this Overwhelming pressure social pressure to show how much they care about their job by working unreasonable hours You know it's like in Europe I was always blown away by the fact that people get like an entire month off You know and there's a biggest freaking everyone this up here I mean that that to me is unfathomable that and then the thing that blew my mind is when you learned that like Chinese New Year Even in China these people are getting a month off You don't see that are two months off even in a month off in America.
We don't have that a little less than a month We don't have that they travel back their hometowns many cases I think it's less than a month but it's in every day though though their work week I think is like the Israeli model of six days But the thing is in Israel too, you don't have that well you get holiday but not like a designated time off And so to me it's like we we as human beings need to be defined by more than just our jobs I think a four-day work week would be a massive value out of the United States But I think that you know you wouldn't make it one size It's all for every organization because I've been parts of some organizations where you probably want to have you know like a longer work schedule there are certain types of roles and Where it makes sense, but I think as a default setting where like the expectation is a before they work We could be an incredible improvement in large part because what you just said Ethan Which is like what is the purpose of life? Yeah, is it our job or is it something bigger that? Integrates a job includes a job, but it's not like exclusively a job so The four-day work week is something that to me would actually make work like an appropriate Part of our lives right you know in a way that right now we have to be honest that it's just creeping upwards Like it's it's going like from five plus into like that zone And I'm a data guy and there are very very clear signs that right now It's having a damaging effect on our health mental health stress levels relationships family formation and all of that stuff was pre pandemic like the post in the pandemic We just have to do anything we can to give people like a real sense of well-being and even folks who are Doing well quote-unquote like relatively speaking during this time or not exactly like necessarily mentally doing well, you know that there's just a lot of There's a lot of stress right now that I think if you had a couple of days a week or three days a week where you were genuinely Disengaged from work would be like enormously helpful for so many of us Do you see yourself doing that? You know it's funny.
It's like it's certainly sounded like I was talking about myself doesn't it? I mean for me I'm in a similar boat to you I think where you know we're in a situation where we're just trying to do positive things and help people like I'm very busy right now You know I just spoke at the DNC last night and then I went and talked about my speaking at the DNC later the night so We're distributing economic relief like you we're working on this data project where we're trying to get people paid for their data I'm helping these down about candidates who are running on universal basic income because we got to try to get happy for folks So I'm campaigning for them all the time campaigning for Joe and Kamala against Trump so I'm busy or never in the sense that like the world was on fire and I feel like Thanks to you and thanks to you and some other folks who believed in me I feel like I've got something about fire extinguisher. Yeah, I got a fire extinguisher So like I better fucking trying to put the fire out. It's like I got everyone out of the fire extinguisher It's just like you guys where you looked up to you were like wow There's a lot of freaking need and suffering right now and like I can help so you tried to help like I'm in the same But you are where did this is a time for me to like not worry too much about you know like you know my own like balance I mean, right I think it's different for entrepreneurs are people who manage I mean obviously It's important, but for people who don't have much of a choice in the matter You know we're expected to do things, you know when you were you were running for president You made it super far.
What were you like the fifth candidate? Around there, you know something like that you don't remember the exact number well there were different kinds of No, yeah, there are different I might have been sixth. I like five. Let's say five five.
Let's do it. But I mean I was yang gang all the way I still am when you left the when you dropped out of the presidential race You endorsed Joe Biden and you got a lot of shit for that and I was fascinated by there were you remember that I Fascinated by the response of how people felt betrayed by the fact that you had endorsed Joe Biden What was that experience like for you to get to have some of your supporters turn on? You know, I spent a full day or so just responding to people being like, hey, I understand why you're angry like because I appreciate everyone who supported me a great great deal and you know if they disagreed with my My opinion or judgment or decision at that time. I just wanted to try and explain and in my case to Joe called me and asked me for my endorsement and I Essentially like I was like look I kind of want to let this process play out and then I endorsed him when To me he was going to be the nominee and I was like, all right, like I should do what I can to unify the party right and bring us together So I understood I understood where people were coming from and I tried to address it and hopefully over the past number of days and weeks like you know more people have come to Understand like the situation we're in and you know, like the hopefully they're going to support Joe because to me It's Joe or Trump and but I get it because I was the burner I like burning a lot and burning was right about so much and so if someone was like fucking yang Like you know like you like a endorsed the wrong guy I'd be like I totally get it because like I love Bernie too and like you know at that point he had pretty much Had no chance of winning Yeah, I am the math guy I saw the math and I was like this is not this is not gonna happen You know like like it I'll put it in you know actual terms He needed to win Michigan in a significant way to have a chance and and he did not and then I was like this It's over like He like one Michigan last time so that you saw you know like if he didn't win it this time against Joe It was like you know, there was no past.
What is it like to get a call from Joe Biden asking for endorsement? What does he say to you? He calls I mean he's Joe's I mean he's like hey pal like like like Like how's how's the family you know He makes small talk for a little bit and then he's like hey, you just work like like we need you So he's all about it. That's pretty happy I will I will say this and this is something that so there are folks who are running who are politicians and Some would take that as a pejorative and I use it as a pejorative or like a negative term myself sometimes like oh politicians You know because I consider myself much of a politician But there is something to be said for folks who are effective at reaching out and like calling in one I'm just one of those people just like a bridge-building relationship builder So you know, it's and I have to say like when you get that phone call like it does make you like more likely to want to help the person Yeah, you know like oh shit, you know Being like being calls you and it's like can you want to help it be like, you know, you feel like a bit of an asshole being like Oh, sorry.
I can't do it It's kind of amazing from what like what one or two years ago from where you were to getting a call from the vice president asking for your support And I'll say like you know Joe call me more than once too, you know, so it's not even like there's a number you have a cell number So Joe's not really the texting type Does the call come from like I bet Joe about the vice president on the phone field in his case It's like I got a vice president for you. Yeah, yeah in that sense some of the other candidates You know, we actually do text like we got your cell phone numbers But but Joe, you know, like Joe's all true trade it over. Yeah, it's like you know like the But I did get it and you write to that like the ascent was You know very dramatic and rapid again largely thanks to people like you and he'll who understood The problems I was trying to solve and like the approach I was taking and had like the vision I mean I I super appreciative to both of you because you're so human and there's something about some of the roles that we all have where And you know, so you remember your office job in Israel I went on and like you weren't being paid to be like ultra-human To do whatever the heck the role they do to do for x days and It took people like you getting behind me to get me to a point where I could make a positive difference It's what I'm glad I'm thrilled to be back with you all because Yeah, it's well, you know, I mean I love and appreciate both of you and feel like we're in a similar boat Where you're looking around the world is saying like is this really where we are and yeah, let's try and move it Move in a better direction. Are we looking at a cabinet position?
What's going on here? So that's absolutely nothing has been you know, discuss them like a hyper-official level but unofficially In the conversations we've had people like we love to have in the team and work with you like that I love that. What do you want to be? What's your dream?
What's your dream position there? So what I've been saying to Folks is that I want to try and speed us up on these technology issues And we know I think the three of us could talk about this effort hours But our government is just so out to launch on technology issues And so that could be AI that could be the selling and reselling of our data that could be Media and social media that could be mental health issues that are attendant with smart foot adoption and the part of teenage girls Is that there are all of these issues is that cabinet position even exist? It does not But there's an advantage there because if they created a new role for me then it's not like they'd be blocking anyone out because They're like 15 people being like, yeah, I really want to be can we create a new cabinet branch? Yes, that is something so yeah, you can that's a short answer I mean that that seems like a great a great place to go and perfect gang style cabinet of technology Secretary of Technology Secretary of Technology and innovation actually the Washington Post just just put that out there today They said here's a cabinet we recommend and they said Andrew Yang like a secretary of technology innovation and that's all of the other That's so cool.
That would be amazing. I'm lobbying for that from now on Can we do anything I think Joe would could I think Joe could garner a lot of Support by by making that happen. Do we have any input and making that happen? Like can we do anything?
If people were to if there was a ground-swell support being like hey, Joe Like if you've signaled everyone that you're going to name Andrew the secretary of technology innovation It would help us vote for you They might do it because there's no reason not to really I mean like again It's not like a role that exists presently and so you know it would make him seem forward-thinking So enough people and this stuff, you know, it's not that under the radar in the sense again The Washington Post just recommended it. Yeah, so and when I've spoken to people that like me They were like well, it's like makes me more excited about you if you bring you on this capacity. Yeah, okay, let me move on to another controversy CNN the alternate the trail so after the After you dropped out you then you took a position at CNN as a how's it called? It's like a political commentator Yeah, which by the way, I love seeing you on there.
I'm just kidding. I'm not criticizing you But again, that was another thing where people like oh gang is working at CNN. He's just he it's a total betrayal What do you say to that what do you say to people who say that because a lot of people say CC there see CNN as Fake news, right? So yeah, I know it's hard to say you see in it So what do you say to that?
There's another thing where I kind of sympathize in the sense that when I was the Maverky outsider presidential candidate, you know, like a lot of the media organizations You know kind of marginalized me at various points And there are some people that are very skeptical of the news media in my case when they asked me said Hey, you want to come on and talk about the debates? It was like a short-term offer and deal and to me it was like initially I was like oh this can be something where I keep my I keep my voice out there and hopefully try and do something positive Particularly because of the campaign ends, you know, you're like thinking okay I like I'm gonna start an organization and do these things but like it seemed like a way to maintain that place in the public eye and then And initially I was like well, you know, who knows how long this will go for maybe I don't like you know They don't like me and then they said to me very quickly thereafter. They were like hey like we like you You know, you want to make this like a little bit more longstanding So I would understand again skepticism when people like hey like you know through the media in my case It's like a well, I used to literally like be like fight to try and get on these networks You're like please please like me on now they pay and then now they'll like have me on and I can hopefully Both push ideas that I think are important But the other thing is that like I thought it was very helpful to normalize me to more Americans because if you look up We had like a Donald Trump in the White House in part because he was in everyone's living rooms for years Like you're fired and like does apprentice nonsense and then people like oh, he's like the boss like you know And then sort of like life of a different reality where it's like we should make that guy president so like I started out as such the Outsider figure that I thought that if I could become more familiar to more Americans where it's like oh I trust that guy You know, it's like I'm very some people that are like listening this being like I would never trust anyone That but you know there are many Americans who would trust someone more if they were on their TV set consistently for a period of time I love it whenever I see you there it brings a smile on my face Usually it's like so depressing and having this stuff on and I don't know It's just it feels so repetitive and you know what they're gonna say But you always have this freshness about you and you just talk simply and it makes sense and you got good ideas, so I agree It's been it's been an interesting experience for me because like I never really done that kind of media pre my presidential run But I'm glad that you find my presence uplifting and then I say something reasonably I think you make a really good point though because it's like if you think CNN is fake news and full of all this crap Why don't we get someone on there who you know can bring a dose of reality and realism to it, right? So maybe because they don't do they give you notes or they like you know here's our talking points We got to stick to this like is there any kind of shadowy behind the scenes shit going on?
There has not been where I'm concerned. Yeah, they just come I can my face and be like Andrew What did you think has happened and then I say something and then you know like I've gotten zero Direction and zero feedback there has never been anything like a yang like settle that shit down or like or like you said Tells you guy was named or like there's been zero of that. It's always like you're clear get lost So So so that's also something you know, it's like it's felt positive where just as weak at the DNC or whatever. I thought like AOC had been Miss cast frankly like and underutilized and then getting the chance to say that on CNN I was like oh, this is great.
I can actually point out something I think it's like a real problem with what you know with a decision that was made Yeah, so I hopefully people like still feel like it's me. I guess like I haven't become some definitely I can say as a supporter I mean that yeah, it's it's yank on TV How's that is that a good job? They pay you all right? It's not it's not you know, it's no teddy fresh, but But you know, I mean they do they do pay me every month Do you just on call from a sir?
I've always wondered how those jobs work because they have shows they have different like commentators And then they bring in the people to do the the co commentary So are you on call a certain hours a day and then they zap you in how does that work? Yeah, I never knew how it worked either and I'm still not sure if this is how it works for everyone I'll tell you how it works for me. So they say is they say hey Just be available and then I'll get a ping from someone typically at least 24 hours in advance saying like this Show would like to have you on to talk about something that happened or something in my wheelhouse And then the other thing that will happen was they'll be like hey, there's this occasion Let's call it the kind of national convention where we want you on every night from this set to this So there's like a two types of do they context? I guess so do they pay you a retainer or do you get paid more the more airtime you get?
I get a retainer So like it's the expectations just that you know if they ask me to do something that I'll be reasonably available Hmm if I say like yeah, that's like a good job. I'm just not free that day then they'll be like alright Wow, so awesome So congratulations, I mean congratulations on the job. I think it's great. I'm happy you're doing it USPS why do we why should we burn USPS to the ground?
Do you tell me what should we do about USPS? Do we destroy it? Do we just mantle it? It's not profitable Like an American life doesn't make money kill it you don't make money you're it's die You know I mean that's pretty much where we've gotten to an American life now where like we're trying to start it turn everything into an economic instrument And if like it's not profitable, then you know, it should stop existing so the post office I will say I think that the attack on the post office stuff like I don't think it's going to impact the fundamental operations of the post office But it is true that we need to we need to fund the post office to a higher degree and just accept that look It could be that mail does not make money on a you know And then on an annual basis and there are tons of things that we do that make our post office less competitive anyway It's like expecting it to make money and then keeping it from doing things that could make money It's just so dumb and I don't know Israel's really smart So you probably already do this but like in a lot of countries they get the post office other shit to do You know, it's like you can do like basic banking services from the post office Like there are things you can do here in the US it'd be like well You can't do that because it would compete with like the check cashers These private firms that do various like you can do a lot of routine stuff in post offices around the world in the US You know, they're real restrictions on all that stuff That's true.
I think you can do some stuff. I can't remember right now. You can't ever check it You can convert money right stuff like that, but I but look it's in the name. It says postal service It's a service.
Yeah, it's it's literally just something that's supposed to be Provided to us and I saw something I was really interesting where we invested a ton in the post office early on just to connect communities You know like that where literally you had these frontier settlements Right you had to like have subdued at a horse and like a sack of mail like getting there mail like there were massive investments To try and connect people and that connectivity helped lead to trillions of dollars in economic development Over time and at some point we turned on it. We're like you gotta make money like every day It's just like it's like an investment in civilization right and I mean if you deliver a letter to the middle of like a Some super remote location in Nebraska I mean, there's just there's no way that that will ever be profitable, you know, but we do it to keep our country modern and connected It's like you said civilization and that post office in Nebraska is a freaking hub for that town, you know Like they literally go in and it's one reason why I think having different purposes for the post office could be so important There's another informal gathering space that I think could be key in a lot of communities And that's the town library and it's like how the town library is You go in there, they're like freaking charge it. You're an arbor to like for like bar that children's book But but one of the things that the top library could do is to try and replace some of the thousand plus local newspapers that are going out of business in the United States because all the content got digitized and you can't make money off of Classified ads anymore because it all went to the I went to Craigslist And so what happens is you get rid of the local paper in a town Which is terrible and it's bad for democracy and like how can you vote on what's going on in your town? I believe no one's even covering it what's going on your town.
It's very important for identity That's a kind of local publication, but in towns where the local paper got eliminated What happened was the town library often ended up putting up like a bulletin board or like a community board that becomes the de facto What is going on in my town situation? So you can imagine like a revved up version of a town bulletin board coming out of town libraries Like there are things we need to invest in in a lot of these communities that are getting Decimated right now because they don't make money Well, that's I mean that's sad and I think it's something we really need to kind of change in how we feel a lot of things that Not everything's gonna make money. I mean geez. How do we convince ourselves that this was this was the right way to evaluate things?
I mean, it's wild. I mean you had a yeah, it's been like a massive conditioning What does it say about human beings as workers, you know, if you if you can't look at anything and not see its value If it doesn't make money, what does it say about human beings? Well, this is what I was running on before was that I knew that we'd been conditioned to think that we all needed to be economically productive And then I said, you know what technology is going to surpass our productivity in a lot of these arenas pretty quick And if we don't start evaluating ourselves in a different way, then it's gonna lead to disaster And now we're seeing some version of it with the pandemic and so I think universal based income would very quickly disentangle this confusion but the Mixing of economic value human value because if you're all just starting money for breathing for living for existing then you can start to feel like Okay, we all have some worth that's independent of how much money I'm making at any moment in time And then that alone would humanize your perspective really quickly Do you argue you I know you've already endorsed Joe Biden, but is there any chance we can get you to vote for Kanye 2020 vision? Well, I'll take a story because it's fun Like a mutual friend actually connected me with Kanye and cell phone and so like he was just like a Wanted to connect with Kanye because he wanted me to talk to Kanye about his run because you know I ran for president and he was gonna tell Kanye what the presidential deal was so then Kanye called me I missed the call so I played phone tag with Kanye and got a text from him and then You know when I was like, you know, like okay, like if he wants to connect it'd be all good We have some mutual friends You know, obviously like that friend I put his in touch was one of my brothers too, so you know Kanye is a creative genius and Like I'm definitely not gonna be voting for her, but That's interesting you guys never connected I would I wish you guys connect I'd love to hear that You know, he has to do right now.
I said fucking call on Yeah Would you mind giving his phone number to Ian in our our employee is a huge Kanye fan Is there anything you want don't meet your idols, you know Ian is anything you want yang to text Kanye? Ask him where the album is that's it, okay, it's the Rio 7 Steve van and just went to prison for the great build the wall I gotta say build the wall. It's so funny how I quickly went from Mexico will pay for the wall to Well pay for the wall too. I'll just I'll I'll just keep the money There's no wall And then I Mean it's it's incredible that We blown away by that build the wall go funny because when that came out it was blowing my mind I mean it was just it was so active.
I couldn't I saw people saying I just donated my entire tax refund $3,000 Anything's are not rich people, right? I'm sure they could have really used that money especially now and like $25 million How much wall does that get you like quarter mile, you know So I think this exercise when I was trying to figure out what was going on with like the truckers and like how much would cost to lay A highway across the country that would just accommodate robot trucks I was trying to figure out like like if you're gonna save tens of billions of dollars a year Like would it just pay off just to like make a highway? That's like eight lines wide is just for robot trucks and I did the math and it turns out Yeah, you could you actually would pay for itself if you just decided they're fucking like like lay the robots We're right way just wait how much of the robot trucks go back and forth it costs somewhere in like the low billions That's it get your money back over time. Wait when you say when you say low billions are we talking like?
Like below five what does that mean low billions? What's so I was like wine? So I was and so I even done the math in a while but like I was Figured out it's like so this the cost savings around automated trucking are tens of billions of dollars a year and But the main impediment is our infrastructure because like we have big highway problems And you also have this political problem that if you had a robot truck that killed someone on the highway that people would be like Oh, you know fuck the robot trucks, so then I was like, okay like like could you make it so there was no pedestrian traffic on this highway? By just making a new highway and I was like how expensive is it to make a new highway in the United States, America?
So like I found out what like the per mile was and then I So then like you do similar estimate for the wall is where I was going It was like how much does it cost to make a wall over like how long it's like what kind of wall can I get for 25 billion? Not much of a wall I mean I'd love to see what like and I mean all of its averages Because like there's certain parts where you get a lot of wall for that much money because like the trains really nice And then other places you can be like I can't feel the fucking wall here Like you don't have to find like the most operate to place and anyway, well, it is fantastic I think that they ended up just pop I mean they didn't really pocket the money But they like bought a boat they were they actually well Steve and I got charged for Laundering money and wire fraud so they were like we're laundering the money They were funneling it and like the guy who set up the foundation bought a boat. It was fucking awesome like there's always a boat involved Yeah, that's always a boat. That's that that's the cardinal rule, isn't it?
Yeah, like you know, I did something illicit if I just turn up a pick like a you got to come see the boat Yeah, it always has a day that's how related to some shady way I made the body Like Man and got arrested on a boat even oh he was on the boat when he was arrested It wasn't his own boat. He was on it was actually weird twisted the story was on some Chinese billionaires boat I'm bored at the boat and arrested him out on the high seas. It was like a intersection. What that that's wild You know, that sounds like a movie scene.
Yeah, it sounds worth like They should have sent Chris Hemsworth to arrest him that would have been awesome Yeah, I see a true documentary coming out about this called build the wall or something about like the high crimes documentary If you get this cabinet position, which we're all hoping for tell me tell me what are the first things that you think like You're sitting down in America. You're part of the president's cabinet What do we need to do first? What is the most pressing things we need to address in this country America? I mean clearly, it's casually from universal basic income, you know, it's like that's like the simple thing It sounds you know, that's to me the single best thing we could do for people So let's say if I say something technology related then I you know I'd actually do something related Which is what we talked about earlier around the fact that we didn't actually have a system set up to get people money So we use the IRS check distribution system And I think it's bad for our confidence in our government that it sucks so bad at a lot of these things Where like if you go to your bank's website or whatever you just expect it to work Generally at a certain level and then so you'd be like well, why doesn't the government have something?
So one thing I'd love to invest in would be essentially a citizen portal where if there was something like we're trying to get you money Or trying to get you information or so the lamest version of this would be a citizen portal where it's essentially like here All of these links to other fucking government websites that you can go to like that would be the absolute worst version the best version would be so You're right I mean like one of those boards where it's like here's a We could flurry up websites and go to fuck you But no, but like like the good version would be like a slick interface where you know like the information from let's call it your tax returns or from The passport office or where the heck like it actually be compiled because part of the thing that makes me angry right now Is that like you're hearing a lot of messages from folks all the time associated with politics? It's like trust us trust us. It's like well like you guys don't really deliver The same level as like some of the other organizations I'm used to interacting with so I would love to try and help the government deliver at like on a technical level because I think it would be enormous for our confidence So that would be something I would love to especially if it was tied to universal basic income Because I think that there's a relationship where we need to actually know who you are know how to get you money Have to have some kind of secure relationship with you and interface with you if we're going to try and you know add value Don't you think the big problem is that all of our elected officials and even you know Joe by I mean how old is Joe he's like 74 or something like that I mean, I think I think he's like 70 six or 77. I think I don't want to misspeak.
I should know that He's in his yeah, okay. Are you looking at up? Okay? I mean maybe when your team can yeah, look it up.
Yeah, he's 77 years old Whoa So don't you think that's it we need young people who understand this like a 70s I've no 77 year old people. They're not interested in cash out You know what I mean? They understand checks and that's not their fault It's just the way it is But I think like we have this tendency of electing especially lately old people to office even Donald Trump is an In his 70s right he's like 72 73 years old. I mean these although he's a little before to be 74 Check that one somehow.
He doesn't somehow Trump I guess he's got a young he's got a young energy That asshole energy He does a lot with this he does like a spray tan and I care is used to the cameras I think he just on camera. I think he comes off like that obviously never met him in person But I have a feeling if you saw him in person he would look that age you I do give him credit He has a more youthful spirit for whatever reason and he's on Twitter. That's pretty that's pretty epic But that being said I don't think Trump uses cash up either and so what we need is be is younger people I really truly think we just need younger people and that's one of the reasons not that was one of the reasons Why I like to you right and one of the reasons I like AOC is that we just like AOC does Instagram live Every like super frequently to talk directly with her Yeah, she's like a digital native. I think the average age of a member of Congress is 62 to your point Ethan So it's presidential candidate right someone called it a gerontocracy to rule by the old We essentially have a gerontocracy in the United States of America for a number of reasons One of the main reasons is that after you get into Washington you just try and stay there forever And it's actually very hard to defeat named company So you have folks like Nancy Pelosi, I believe is around Joe's age and she looks great But she does like that But our leaders are of a nether generation because of the way the structure is the structures are set up and it's one reason Why four term limits where you should go to DC as a term of service get something done and then get out?
And it would help keep our legislators more current and fashion modern to your point Ethan because if you go to DC You'll find it is not exactly a tech friendly town, you know, you go. I'll tell a story that was gonna make you angry But it'll be totally consistent with your understanding the world So so I was on the trail and then there was like this Asian kid like, you know mid 20s maybe and he interned as congressional office and then they asked him to like Do do something? Like like answering messages or data related like in the office and he was smart So he set up like a program to like automate the process and make it so that okay Like this thing will like happen more seamlessly and like, you know, like less labor This'll be great and then they yell at him for it and said like no We didn't want you to do that like Prefer the way that like the other person could just understand and just like sit there and like just peck at it all the time He was like what the hell's going on? He's like a congressional office, so he left he now works at Facebook He like went and worked in DC for like a summer was like they are freaking stuck in like the Stone Age Let me get the hell out of here and then he like pieced out to Silicon Valley So like that that is the general culture in DC where you go there and you feel like you just rewound Like a number of years and if you go into some of these government agencies It's much much worse because some of them have been underfunded so you have like very strange patchwork technologies from past years You know like I might be exaggerating but probably not much like Windows like 2005 or whatever you go in and out They'll just be all over and in different Different government organizations, so it so that's that's the government we have and like you said before it's like not really anyone's fault But we need to try and speed them up And if I'm in position to try and move that in a better direction like I've taken and do everything I could It sounds really have to be necessary.
Yeah, we have to do that I mean I think the I think the problem is that the rate of technology has Surprised past our our people it's been going so fast that it's past them right when Joe Biden was a when in his 40s Even 50s like 25 26 seven years ago. It was a we were 1995 I mean I don't even know that smartphones were popular then I don't think no not even close they were not even close right so I mean in his own Experience and government the technology has ran around him like 30 times So yeah, it's a new world. They got rid of the office of technology assessment in 1995 the year You just perfect time to get rid of it. Yeah, they had a they had a department that advised members of Congress on what technology Is she care about my opinions like I do that why do they get rid of the office of technology?
You know like it was like to quote-quote save money Which is like most ass nine thing in the world because the budget of the entire thing was like 25 million It was like a fucking drop in the bucket. Just had some smart people around telling you it's like hey So you know where the legislators get their technology guidance from now the technology companies and the technology companies are like do absolutely nothing Because everything is perfect Whatever requires the least of me yeah, so and especially you're donating $25 million from my campaign. That's fantastic There was a period and it's been interesting to see the pendulum swing somewhat so Silicon Valley could you know wrong for a long time? Where do you see it's gonna do is like oh you're like the innovators?
You're the super value creators and you're rich as fucking you donate to my campaign So let's just like leave you that alone and just sing your praises every chance we get and then that pendulum has swung because of Like Facebook's growing something up and some other problems So now everyone's starting to turn on turn towards them and be like wait a minute like you know Is this really been like cool that Amazon is you know like? So one of the things that I think Amazon did wrong there you know a bunch of things but like those diapers calm where they just Lost money on diapers for while just like forest diapers calm to sell them like like Amazon is did that sort of thing? So just just because I know about that story correctly from wrong. So they basically Like diapers calm was popular.
So there's so much diapers Amazon lowered their price below that To the point where they were losing money just to put them out of business and then they raised their prices back up when they I think it's a big one of business. It was like they come to diapers. I can't be like hey guys You guys are awesome. How are we buying over and the day for that comment is like no and then I was like oh we'll see about lower prices to a point where they was like I was like averaging money and then they were like okay I guess we will sell to you now and then it was like that's what I thought and then I said they buy them in the prices I come that's a that should be is that illegal?
That is illegal. Yes It's that it's Anti-competitive behavior. It's anti-trust law. So so that sort of thing has been coming out now It's something similar with and this was like to me the biggest nonsense was when Mark Zuckerberg was asked like hey The people the founders of Instagram are worried that if they didn't sell to you that you were going to try and Put them out of business and I'll compete with them going to destroy mode I think was that what the term used to destroy mode and then mark was like no I never would have done that It's like we all know it's like a mr.
But it's all the Facebook you know that would have better free kid like Instagram clone out like that And so so that this is Officially, you know it violates antitrust law to to do certain anti-competitive things like that But the reality is like of course that you know if you're in that industry like you're going to do everything you can to try and crush Anyone who could potentially end up taking your business. I think you have to assume There's a lot of that going on we don't know what I mean any company that gets to be that big you're looking at the Microsoft's You're looking at the Amazon's you're looking at the Facebook's I mean you can't I mean correct me if I'm wrong. Can you get to be that big of a company without antitrust? Violation yeah, it'd be difficult and the thing that most people don't realize now And this is one reason why I think universe based income so vital among others is that some of these companies have essentially just like left orbit In terms of business physics like you think okay Like I'm a company I need to like you know be a fish in and treat my workers well and like sell some things at a profit There's some companies at this point and just like I'm worth a trillion dollars I don't even need to make money nothing matters like what's that you're like a cool start up like I can buy you for 400 million dollars And everyone's rich and I don't even care like they're just so Badly big that like that like nothing applies.
I think Timo Riley called it like super money It's like at some point you just get super money and then like nothing matters And then we still try and pretend and what was funny is when they got brought into Congress like they pretend to it's like oh We started in the scrappy company like they think these like freaking at this point They're almost like countries on to themselves So staggeringly enormously wealthy and they have now at this point their stock market valuations are propped up in so many ways that they can almost do no wrong and In that environment they're just gonna keep sucking up more and more value like that the thing I kept saying to folks on the tramp is like look Amazon's worth a trillion bucks paid zero in taxes soaking up 20 billion dollars a year in Commerce closing 30% of your stores and malls and that was pretty crisis It's like you know these things like a black hole such as just gonna just suck more and more value in and we're not gonna see anything coming out And you think it's like always because they're like out competing at some point They just left orbit and and the funny thing about Amazon is like they've been periods and it's passed We didn't even make money But at this point you look at and being like like there was a Walmart executive who complained to me He said how can you compete against a company that doesn't even need to make money? This was Walmart, which is sort of ironic, right? Yeah, like crushed every yeah like mom and pop retailer Beautiful, but yeah, like I joked with the Walmart folks like they were like the tanks that came to American communities around the country Just like ran over every mom and pop and then they were like we did it We conquered America and the name sounds like a fucking spaceship Bethe laws of gravity anymore They're just like yeah, the government doesn't understand what is going on is looking up being like yeah like Amazon's a company like any other It's yeah, they have their own I mean if you look at what's going on with Amazon like Jeff Bezos is so rich He bought the Washington Post with essentially like pocket change from his couch You know like the Washington Post is a very very influential publication that happens to be like the main New source in our nation's capital like do you think that yeah literally and he has been relatively hands-off like he doesn't go in and be like Right about this right about that, but it is it's telling it's that like Amazon up here Jeff Bezos like you know up here And then like you know our nation's major media like news source for legislators like down here and he was like yeah Like sure like like took a couple hundred million out of the couch It's like you know me he's worth it this point hundreds of millions anyway Sorry that was fascinating and I think it under really it's there fine I think that analogy of it's like Walmart came in with the tanks and but they weren't thinking big enough and Amazon came in with The UFO spaceship and just zapped them I keep thinking about the video games you play when you like you keep finishing and you replay it again We don't upgrade. Yeah, just waste longer every time This story because it's to me is interesting so the founder one of the founders of diapers.com is a guy named Mark Laura so then Amazon crushes diapers.com absorbs them mark Laura becomes rich, but he's mad at Amazon So he comes back for revenge years later and starts jet calm raises I think he raised like like $500 million a billion being like we are going to out compete Amazon and e-commerce Like he's like I have found the way The jet calm and in jet comms like spending I do Think I think there's purple like jet is smiling anyway So jet comms went hundreds of millions straight up fighting out with Amazon and e-commerce and then Walmart buys jet comms As a way to try and make themselves competitive against Amazon in e-commerce So so that's like how it all fit together It's like mark or came back for revenge and then ended up like getting absorbed by Walmart in a relatively futile attempt to try and bring down the spaceship That's so weird.
What that's so funny. I guess it never happened. I mean Walmart failed to to make it competitive. It sounds like Yeah, I don't think it's worked out Had to do something hold on let's see if jet comm is still Literally redirected to Walmart calm I think they paid a billion dollars for jet calm You look up that we're thinking like look we can't deal with another one of these I just it was literally to try and bring on mark lore to be like the Amazon killer because if there was like any human that represented Yeah, that's like David day I was like a lie.
It's like this guy mark lore and he had a chip on his shoulder because he was like I'm back I'm back you destroyed my diapers calm spaceship and I went back with like jet calm anyway I found that story really interesting in large part because Mark was so compelling that he raised hundreds of millions of dollars For any commerce company to try and rival Amazon. I thought that was like the most amazing active salesmanship I'd ever heard I was like wow this guy must like be the most convincing They all got they all made money. It sounds like by the end of it except Walmart. I Think that's right.
Yeah, but I think it really underlies this issue of how can we possibly govern in the face of such super money If our regulators and our elected officials don't even understand what they're looking at like their understanding of what's going on at a company like Amazon Is so terrestrial if we're talking if they're in outer space these guys are you know on the ground every week I go in and I found I found I find more and more creepy stuff like at first They just had a few like Amazon basic items now. It's like every product that you look up They already have an Amazon brand that makes it. It's amazing. I don't know it creeps me out.
Yeah super weird They have they have their own brand for literally everything as my newt as like a pen a lighter to as big as like Well, any clothing thing you would look up like shopping products everything they have it they're a machine So what they do is they have this marketplace and then they have this giant data dash where they figure out as soon as like something It's right like they go make it they go make it and so you have these horror stories of this company being like, you know I saw that Amazon I was happy until one day like you know that their competitor came I couldn't get the search listings And now I am dead and like they're this giant Money machine that just comes in and like it's a combination of like endless resources and endless access to us and our needs and then endless data In like there's no there is no real competition There's something like there's something that has changed about capitalism And the problem is that we pretend it's still like the 70s and 80s like that there is like a genuine market between firms when you have these These companies that have just reached unprecedented scale size resources And it's being facilitated by this new version of of the markets where there are certain companies that just everyone's gonna pile into because they're Absorbing more and more of the economy. It's like you look up and you know you ask anyone it's like You know like Amazon Apple Facebook Google would be the big ones We just look up and be like hey, you know if you close your eyes and open them ten years And I like you think those companies will still be kicking ass and dominating like the answer is yes in less In less the government were to change something for one of those companies and you're starting to see glimmers of that possibility Because people are starting to recognize some of the extremes. I may be part of this conversation moving forward to Jeff Bezos just found his biggest worst enemy It's not my floor Jeff. You've been looking in the wrong way Okay, and closing I want to ask you one final question You have endorsed Joe Biden tell me why do you think Joe Biden will make a better president than Donald Trump?
Joe Biden would make a better president than Donald Trump on many many levels, but the things I love about Joe number one He's actually a good dude who cares about people and like wants wants to be right by people number two is he's really not very ideological He's more of like a pragmatist where he's like what are we gonna do? And as part of his pragmatism, he's a consensus seeker He tries to figure out what the folks around him think is the right approach and he's not gonna be someone to be like no Screw you like I'm sure like the way to go and it's not what you're saying Like he'll actually be like well if people think that this is the way to go like I'm into it And then the third thing is something I said At the convention which is that Joe has this quality where anything he says becomes a new reasonable Like he came out with a two trillion dollar green energy proposal that could have been straight out of the burning Or see like a playbook and if one of them had said it people would been like oh like you know Grassi of pine the sky then Joe says it and was like yeah, that's cool That if Joe gets on board with something or champions and then all of a sudden it becomes a new mainstream And so you have to ask yourself It's like okay, maybe I just agree with John some stuff But it's like what what's my preferred path trying to convince Joe that this is a good idea or try to convince Donald Trump that he should you know like adopt it a completely different approach to governance and I mean that to me as a no-brainer Andrew Yang future Secretary of Technology and Innovation Love the potentially and if that happened I certainly have you two and a lot of other people to thank But the big thing right now is just for us to help each other try and get through this mess and you know Stay strong and healthy ourselves because you can't help anyone if you can't you know like help yourself But then if you do have the capacity to help others Please do lend someone a hand because like someone in your life needs a hand can account on an interview from Washington DC a year from now Yeah, definitely like if I'm the secretary of Technology Innovation then we'll have so much to talk about I'll even end up being like these types of being like these sent me ideas citizens because I am now you're And Andrew if there are UFOs will you tell us? I find out there UFOs. I will tell people because we all know there.
They're already If someone's like okay, Andrew, we're gonna give we're gonna tell you that UFOs and the aliens and all this crazy should exist But you can't tell anyone do you tell us? Who is really I mean, you know, it's all I can be like sorry, man Like I said it tell people that it'd be the people always say that but there's no way you would actually be able to tell us Don't you see the problem? I do see the problem if they bring me into the circle of UFO trust and it's hard to Run outside of the circle and tell Ethan and he'll just before you die. Just get the truth out there.
Yeah, blink twice on your That done deal that bad UFO confession. Yeah, there we go. All right, and it's been a pleasure as always I wish you lots of love and success. I'm enjoying following everything you're doing fantastic And I am along with the yang gang all the way, so good luck Thank you, and so and we're right there with you.
Thank you both for everything you do and you know I hope the little guy is doing great. Yeah, he is doing awesome Yeah, he is. Thank you, and your kids, too I mean now you're you're at home. You're spending time with the family.
That's fantastic I know it was hard on you during the campaign. Yeah, you can understand why as parents it was the hardest thing about running But I'm happy to say you know, you know, they remember who daddy was And now I'm underfoot all the time All right, and you take care. All right, thanks guys so much. Thank you