21. Play - Zach Kleyn

Artists @zachkleyn talks about early childhood development and how play types established between the ages of 2 and 5 years old affect our adult interactions. Using his post graduate degrees in art and psychology, Zach’s company @climbplaymountain helps adults relax and reintroduce creative play into their lives. We also talk about Julia Margaret Cameron’s practice, and her book The Artists Way, as we address some of the existential challenges artists face when they accept they have to make art to feel right.