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This is episode number 223. My name is Kyle Moriarty. I'm joined as always by Chris Reagan, my son. Chris, you were eating seconds before we began the show.
I was actually a little disturbed. You're trying to fuck with me. You're just unusually hungry, I guess. How are you?
No, I'm all right. I'm nourished. You know, I've got my nice sandwich sloshing around in my insides. It feels pretty good.
Good. I'm glad to have you in my shirt. You're wearing your ODSD hat again, your one-off ODSD hat. Nelson Furman.
Hello. Executive Producer of Lastand. How are you today, my friend? I'm fantastic.
I went to a coffee shop, and my order? When I'm at a coffee shop at home, straight regular coffee, but nothing wrong with a latte. Maybe an extra espresso shot in there, so I'm feeling pretty good from that. I will have to pee during the show.
Like, for sure, that's going to have to happen, or I'm going to die. One of the two. Are you going to do it during the show, or are you going to be on the show? Cather, maybe.
Yeah, that's good. I was going to say we can get you a Sacred Symbol branded Cather. Right. Yeah, I think that would be great.
While I was out, stopped at the P.O. Box. Got a little gift of some copies of Babylon's Fall in the mail. Nice.
So we'll start to send those over. So PS4 and PS5 versions? Yes, I'm very pleased about it. The person who sent these to me wants to remain anonymous, but thank you, Heather.
Yeah, I would also, honestly, to be real. Yeah, that's so interesting. It's like when you go to an art museum, it's donated by anonymous. Right.
Or the Curb Your Enthusiasm episode where Larry donates half the money to the museum, and Ted Danson donates the other half of it to the museum, and it's brought to you by, like, anonymous and Larry David. And he's really mad that Ted Danson won't take credit for the money he gave to the museum. It was time for a Larry David reference. Oh, sure.
Honestly, I'm going to check this out. I'm going to play. I want to try it for one hour. Just one hour.
This is history. You're not going to be able to play this ever again. Exactly. I didn't bring it to the news because I'm so tired of talking about Aladdin games in Babylon's Falls getting to the point of exhaustion for me.
But I did read that they gave an interview, I think, to Video Games Chronicle, our friends over there, where they said that they're going to do another game. It's like, it's time to start. Go for it. I feel like I have too much headroom.
See, here's the thing. I don't know what to do with headroom sometimes because over the course of four hours or so, I start to slouch and curl over like an eldritch crab creature. And so you have all this room in the beginning. You need it.
So I don't know. It's just as important as you become more goblin-like throughout the show. Goblin mode. That's right.
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I wanted to ask this from Suleiman Bargzai. I'm sorry, Bargzai. Suleiman Bargzai. Let's just say that.
Sup, dudes. Just wanted to shout out the Last of Us 1 part spoiler cast that was done recently. As I planned in the game a couple of weeks ago. And it started as a nice way to reflect on the original experience I had playing through it way back on the PS3.
So he's referencing Sacred Simples Plus Mike and I did. That's now actually live for everyone on YouTube if you want to check it out. Also wanted to share a random but funny point. I was curious about the spoiler cast for the last part 2 and went back to listen to it.
And we christened it too of those back in the day. To nobody's surprise, the opening moments featured another breakdown of Chris moving into a brand new apartment at the time. Can we have an over-under for the amount of times Chris will move before the last part 3 and that release gets released? Always enjoy the content.
Thank you for all. Thank you all in the last video. We much appreciate it. Thank you for writing in.
Chris, we're moving into that. The audience has noticed that you always seem to be going somewhere. Yeah. I mean, that does make sense.
I mean, I was moving about like every year and a half or so. Just because of the sheer... It's just the nature of living in certain places. We're just like, oh, hey, rent is $500 more expensive now for no reason.
Even though the quality of life here has gotten worse. Interesting. Why did you go back? I don't understand what you're doing.
This is like... I wake up and I sneeze and the rent is paid. I don't know how I got this fucking place. But that's the only reason I would never come back in other circumstances.
Like $2,600 for like a studio apartment. You got your mind. Dude, I know. I was paying $3,500.
You know my apartment in San Juan. That was $3,500. That's crazy. I mean, I want to kill myself thinking about that.
It's half my mortgage. Or I mean, I'm not half my mortgage. It's twice my mortgage. Yeah, I could fit 17 of those fucking places in here.
Yeah, I have like... My current place is bigger than that and it's a fraction of that. Which is, you know, you're still lucky. I even...
You're right. I was like, I had to look... What? Oh, yeah, I'm right.
Yeah, sweet. Sounds awesome. Thanks. This is why I encourage everyone to go out and meet people.
Because this was entirely connection-oriented. I would have never been able to swing this without knowing people. But also, I love that. You know, keep it tight.
Oh, yeah, keep it safe. Yeah, no doubt. Personal connections are the best. I do almost everything I do in my life with just personal connections.
Where it's like, I'm fulfilling some sort of favor or someone's fulfilling a favor for me. Very Italian. Yeah. Very Italian, indeed.
I'm glad you're well. Oh, bless you. Oh, goodness. God bless you.
God bless you. All right, let's get in here. Oh, so Dustin, I wanted to acknowledge you. Okay.
By the way, I keep getting emails from Big Bad Toy Store about how my pile of loot keeps expiring. It's like, how many piles of loot can I possibly have? Isn't there just supposed to be one? That's what you would think.
I had an issue with their pile of loot where one thing was sitting there so long and the other thing was on pre-order too long. And they're just like, fuck it, we're going to charge you for shipping for both and do it separately. So that was cool. Yeah, that's a feature, I guess.
Well, I've got a couple of alley vapors coming in. That's all. Okay, so back to you now, Dustin, because I want to talk about something badly braver written about. It says, hey, guys, just wanted to write in and give a shout out to Dustin and Ben for being some of the most friendly and down-to-earth people I've met as a fan.
I went to Pittsburgh Gaming Expo this past Saturday and ran into both of them despite missing the official meet-up and just asked for a quick photo trying to be respectful of their time but ended up shocked at how conversational Dustin was. I ended up getting a bit irrationally anxious and I hope it didn't seem like I was in a rush and I apologize if it did. As a fan of any sort of content creator, musician, etc., I rarely felt like the other people are happy or excited to meet me, so thanks for being so genuine. Hope you guys have a great weekend and keep rocking that denim jacket, Dustin, I'll be sure.
Or I'll serve you, I'm sorry. I'm just as usual mumbling, I have no idea what the fuck I'm even reading half the time on a piece of paper as I'm going through the show. Dustin, I heard you did a really great job and I was surprised that you, I didn't hear anything about this, like from you. You went kind of silent on it.
Like I forgot it happened. I was expecting some more update. I went, well, this was this, this was that, what happened here? Yeah, well, in fact, I hadn't heard it, so I was like, oh, it must not have happened yet, but I was pretty sure it did.
No, I, well, I was going to mention it on the show and then I saw this comment roll in, so I thought this was the perfect opportunity to say, hey, thanks everybody for coming to Ben and I's panel at Pittsburgh Retro Gaming Expo. We had a fantastic time. It was nice. I was a little concerned just because I don't know what our local fan population is, so I didn't know if it was going to be three people or, you know, a ton of people, and it was perfect because it was just enough people that was not awkward, but there wasn't too many that it was unmanageable.
It was like the perfect intimate setting. We had a great time, got to meet tons of listeners of the show, and yeah, it was a great time, and I specifically remember this interaction here with Badly Brave. I did not feel like he was trying to get away from me or anything like that. I just, I don't know.
When I meet people like this, it's just, it's fun to meet listeners of the show, so of course, I don't know, we're just normal dudes. It's always shocking to me when people are rude to the fans that they meet, but I guess that's a common enough thing that people are surprised when they meet someone who's normal. Well, why don't you want to meet anyone like that? I don't like meeting, I've said it before, I don't want to meet any of my heroes because I'm afraid it's not going to go well.
Yeah. So, not that I'm like a Jerry Seinfeld level. You know, I saw 311 in 2017 when my friend Ramones Band opened for them, which was amazing, so I had backstage passes, like full access to everything. It was an absolutely insane experience.
And they were really nice. Like, they knew I was fucking amped. I was on the side of the stage watching the entire show, played a great set. You know, they gave me pounds when they were walking on stage before they were going on for their opener and stuff like that, and I was like, this is amazing, I can't believe how nice you guys are, so please.
Because I wasn't even there, I didn't expect I was even going to interact with them. When they did their team huddle before they go on with their sound guys, they called us into it too. Oh, that's nice. That's cool.
It was pretty cool. Yeah, that's that's that's that's that's the exact opposite experience. That reminds me when I think it was on some red carpet or something when Jerry Seinfeld was being interviewed and then Kesha came up to him. Right, so he was like, oh my god, I love you, can I help you?
And he's like, no thanks. So exactly, he's one of the people where, I've seen Jerry Seinfeld live, I'm sure he would never do anything like that, but I would never want to meet him. If I saw Jerry Seinfeld, I'd walk in the other direction just to make sure that was, yeah. Because I don't know if I'd be able to live if I had a better interaction with him, like where he got the better of me in some way.
I was like, oh, Jerry, Jerry. What was I going to say? I was going to say something else, but I don't remember what it was. I guess that's not a huge surprise, is it?
Let's go on to Nate Ray, who wrote in and said, what's up, McSlitz? Long time, first time. I never anticipated that my first write-in would be of this nature, but I feel compelled. This question is for Dustin.
What the hell? Your snide remarks and offhand comments have gone on Jeff for long enough, good sir. As I sit here in the great city of Columbus, Ohio, I have to wonder, what did you do? What did we do to you?
You put Ohio down seemingly every chance you get it, and the last several weeks you brought your garage missiles have seemed to increase exponentially, with no less than two, with no fewer than two separate instances in the most recent episode. That's one for you. Oh, you fucking suck. You got me.
Oh, that's a classic guy from Ohio. Classic. Did a girl from Ohio break young Dustin's heart? Did your childhood bully move into Butler from Ohio to make your sixth grade year miserable?
Did a car with Ohio plates run over your childhood dog? Being born and raised here, I certainly understand a fair level of criticism at the Buckeye State. While we still have something to be proud of, like the Black Keys and John Glenn, there's also some incredible wet farts like Jim Jordan. All I'm saying is that it's high time someone pushed back, so what gives?
What's the beef? Seems to me like a lofty position to take, especially from someone from the Pittsburgh area. Damn, dude. Now, I didn't want to get involved.
I know that there is, as a football fan, I know that there's beef with the Steelers, the Browns, and the Bengals, right? So I don't care about that. But that's what I'm saying. That's my only interaction between the West Pennsylvania, Ohio beef.
But I've been to Ohio several times, and I actually think it's really nice. But I also think Western Pennsylvania is really nice. I've been to Western Pennsylvania many times, too, from La Trobe to Butler, and Pittsburgh, of course. I think these are cool places.
A lot of blue-collared... I feel right at home in some of these places. So what is your beef with the state of Ohio, the great state of Ohio? It's mainly just a feeling of superiority from not being from Ohio.
Literally, that anyone can feel that's not from Ohio. Just because it's a bad place. You go, you drive through. To drive from one end to the other takes forever, which I understand is technically less time than Pennsylvania.
But it feels longer, because of how boring the landscape is, how unappealing the cities are. You step into Ohio's borders, you instantly feel worse. You feel like your body is bad. You feel like a bad person.
Just, I've had enough of Ohio, and I will not hear any of this. Didn't you go to Cedar Point recently? Oh, yeah. There's some unfortunate realities that we have to deal with.
Cedar Point being one of them. But Cedar Point is practically an island. They literally built it on almost... It's not quite an island, but it's a peninsula.
It's almost separate from Ohio, because they knew they needed to get away from the mainland. I remember where I've been in Ohio. I've been to Cedar Point. I think I've been to Cleveland.
I've never been to Cincinnati. Cincinnati's one of those towns where you'd be like, I spent the month in Cincinnati one day. I love those old style jokes. No one seems to get it when I say that these days.
They're like, wait, what? You went to Cincinnati? It's the same thing as, you know, just flew in from New York. Boy, my arms tired.
Like the same kind of joke. You know, the same kind of jokes. Dry East Coast delivery. Anyway, let's move on.
Caboche pressure in and said, how do you slitter biscuits? What are your spirit animals? Based on the very little I know of each of your personal lives, I feel like Chris would be something that moves way too often, like a migratory bird, perhaps a goose. Colin, you would be a solitary animal who keeps itself and comes out only when needed, mayhaps like a mole.
Maybe one of those weird ones with a star nose. They look quite eldritch. Dustin, you would be something unique and very metal. Maybe an anteater or a platypus.
You know why. What do you think about this particular request of the spirit animal? I'm going to say something. I feel like he got lazy in there.
I don't think he knew why. I was going to say, you know why. Yes, very funny. And I really don't know why.
I don't know. Is it because you, much like an anteater, pick insects out of the ground? Or like a platypus, you poison everything you touch? I don't know.
Those animals are so different from each other also. I got a picture here of one of an anteater. Now look at the camera. Let me get a look at you.
Yeah, I don't see it. No. Not with the anteater. Oh my god, is this anteater having sex with another anteater?
I mean, I hope so. They have to at some point. A deer is sucking off another deer. A deer is sucking off another deer.
It does not change him. Well, I'm fine with the mole. I mean, mole is fine. See, people ask this question.
I know this is weird, but I don't really have an affinity for the wild kingdom of animals. Like where it's like, wow, I'm mystified by this. And I love foxes. And I love whales.
I don't know, man. I like dogs and cats. There's a bunch of cool animals out there. I'm more of a plant person.
Really? I got a favorite tree. Okay, that's a little bizarre, though. Because plants, I feel like, have no character at all.
I look at a plant, and I see a stick with leaves, no matter what it is. Like, if it's a bush, if it's a tree, it's just like, oh, that is a different shape of the same thing. I could not identify different flowers to you. I couldn't be like, oh, that's a brickleberry tumbleweed, or whatever.
Like, I don't know. It's a stick with leaves on it. That's what it is. Whereas, like, I don't know.
Animals are at least, at least they're observable in like a, like, you've never put on like a planet Earth-style documentary just like in the background. It's kind of like, oh, it's kind of interesting. Oh, it's fascinating. It's fascinating.
But what I'm saying is that, when we're at flora and fauna, let's just say that I like the flora more than the fauna. And the trees, here's what I love about trees. It's funny this comes up. I don't know why this came up.
I don't even remember now. But it's funny this comes up because I was driving to a restaurant with my sister yesterday and there's this huge field by my house with a massive tree. It must have been like just an empty field with a huge tree in the middle. It's beautiful.
And the tree must be 100 years old at least. But I noticed this year it didn't grow. Like, it seemed to have died. And then when we drove by it, it was cut down and cut into these separate logs and branches.
And I'm like, that is, do you have any idea how much that tree is seen? I mean, I know that's weird, but that's to me when I look at plants and old trees. I just think it's incredible. Over in the redwood forest in Northern California, they have these huge, obviously the redwoods, but they have corded them and cut them out and then placed them.
So it's like, and there's the rings and they say like, this is when the Vikings landed in Newfoundland. This is when Columbus landed in, you know, 1492. This is this. This is the American Civil War.
This is like, what? And it's just been there for all of it. And I just, see, that's why I love about trees. Shout out to the tree and especially shout out to the cedar tree along the way.
Although all the trees listen to this. You know, speaking of trees, let's love one. Oh, oh. Aren't there turtles in a long time too?
Like 150 years, some of them. Yeah, they do. So they do. Kind of similar.
I think some of these turtles have seen some shit. Definitely. I mean, isn't that fascinating? It's like the Japanese soldiers that were left behind on those islands after World War II because they didn't think the war was over.
And then like decades pass and there were a few left over and they just didn't believe that the war was over. And imagine all the things that happened that they saw. It's like the inverse. Right.
This is why I think, this is why I think. We gotta let more things grow and just be. I think it's a bit of an environmentalist. I agree.
I agree. Cutting down a big-ass tree like that is depressing. That's what I'm saying. I felt it.
I was like, oh my god. Imagine, I know it's insane, but all the rainfall, all the nutrients in the soil, the people that own that property walk by it. It should probably happen underneath that tree, around that tree. It's sad.
And there it is. It's just going to be burned in some furnace. It's just kind of like a marvel to look at. Whenever something's going to survive.
It's like Mount Rushmore. What are the odds that the mountain would form that way? It's incredible. It's incredible.
That is because the United States is of course mystical and holy land. I do encourage people, if anyone goes to Northern California, I was there for a long-ass time, so I was lucky enough to just do this in my backyard, basically. But go to the redwood forest. No matter how big you think those trees are, they're bigger.
I'm fucking telling you it's actually insanity how big those things are. It's like, what? How? How does this happen?
Oh, I'm going to get into it. This is not a fucking plant podcast. Okay. Frozen lasagna.
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Hey, I just won. Is there anything else? Oh yeah, I wanted to read this before we get into the news. Shit, we never even got anywhere on the animals.
That's how this all began, by the way. Yeah. I don't even want to talk about animals. I accept the goose, I guess.
That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine.
He knows why. I know. Apparently. I recently made the mistake of using my friend's laptop to watch some YouTube while visiting him for the weekend.
First of all, that's your first mistake, my friend. You can't go on other people's computers. I hate doing it. I hate going on other people's computers.
Especially when they're very comfortable with it. I'm like, you're a little too comfortable with me going on your browser. As soon as I pulled up the website, I was surprised to find the recommended list filled with videos titled, like, Five Hours of Washing Machine Cycles and Dishwashing Men. I thought this was odd, but shrugged it off.
Perhaps there's some sort of unique satisfaction in watching things get cleaned. Now, just to cut in here, I watch a guy carpet clean and I find it quite neat. Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about. He's an Eastern European dude.
Is that the crazy name? Does he put, like, googly eyes on the tools that he uses? I think so, yes. It's probably, it's one guy.
Yeah, yeah. I think he's like Czech or something like that. He's not in the United States. Where was I?
Oh, perhaps there's some new dog. However, nothing could have prepared me for what I found in his subscription list. It was filled with videos of people littering. Many of them titled things like, Ross is a dirty little litter bug.
Out of curiosity, I watched a couple of these videos, and after doing so, and especially after reading the comments, I can confirm that this is a fetish. There are people out there getting off on the taboo of littering in front of other people. I could have gone my whole life not knowing this group of people existed, especially considering my friend is very likely one of them. How will this affect my friendship with him?
I've known him for 10 plus years, should I confront him about it? Or should I go to the rest of our lives pretending like I don't know when I really do? I should be clear, I don't intend on shaming him for it or anything like that, but I feel as though he would be embarrassed that I know. So part of me feels like an obligation to be open with him about it.
Thanks, may the Lord have mercy on my soul. I actually agree with you, I hate that shit. When you know something that you know the other person, like you like someone, I'm not saying like in a relationship, you have an affinity for someone, you're a friend with someone, and you have like forbidden knowledge that they don't know that you know, you have to tell them anything. If you plan on having any sort of like real friendship or relationship with them.
That's a tough one. But Chris, I feel like you have something to say. I don't know if I'm judging you. I would say just literally in front of him.
But like copiously. Like an insane amount just to see if it's real. Because it could be, look, you don't know man, it could be a massive coincidence. There's stuff in my YouTube recommended that makes no sense.
You know, like I don't watch linen crafting or whatever the fuck, but like it'll be there. And I don't know, maybe it's on some like, maybe it's on my console at home and like my family uses it sometimes to like put YouTube videos on. But like I don't, it has nothing to do with anything that I'm interested in. So my advice would be to test this and to just copiously later.
And if he says something like, hey, by the way, you need to stop because I'm getting bricked up. Then you can, then you'll know. And then it won't have to be embarrassing because he'll have told you of his own volition. Right, that's an interesting idea.
I don't hate that idea. In other words, coaxing and coercing him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Manipulating him is basically what I'm telling you to do.
I really like the idea of, by the way, what you said earlier about people being a little bit too comfortable with their browsers. Because it implies to me that they do have something to hide. Whereas like, if you're like, hey, don't go on my computer. It's like, okay, you're hiding things, but you're open with the fact that you're clearly hiding things by not letting me go on it.
So it feels more honest for some reason. Whereas like, oh yeah, go on my computer. It feels like you did some like, you know, you went into the history, you did this and that. It's just too easy.
See, my main problem is, it's like when you give me your phone. I'm not going to go into your phone, but when you do that, I'm not going to go spy on you. I'm going to do what I need to do on your phone. Oh, I need to use Safari.
I'm texting someone, whatever. But browsers make it too easy to accidentally find things. You have your autofill all over the place, you know, the suggested things, your bar of saved links. See, the funny thing is, is that I'm not hiding anything on my computer.
I'm really not. Like, I'm not much of a porn guy anymore these days, but we've all had our prodigious porn days in our past. I'm sure we were looking at porn regularly or whatever. And that's totally fine.
I'm not judging anyone. I would do that on my phone. Or on my iPad. I don't use that on my iPad.
And so it came my computer clean because I knew that it was going to be asshole. At some point, my girlfriend or someone would need to sit down and be like, I need to. So I don't want to ever be embarrassed in that way. I don't think there's anything to be embarrassed.
You just want to put yourself in an awkward position, but you want to hear something funny. My ex-girlfriend, I haven't talked to in many years, she took my, I was looking at porn and then I exited out and whatever, what about my life. And she used my iPad and it was like, when she opened it, it was like a frame of it. And then it went away because I guess it was like cash in some way.
That's funny. And she like, no, you're crazy. That's funny. I just feel like, isn't there such a, like when I see parents letting their kids use their phones, like my sister lets her kids, you know, they're using their phones.
I'm like, this is insanity. You don't have to be able to see my phone. It's like a barest essential to call them where you're at. I mean, I don't, you can't be on my phone.
But you shouldn't be asking other people to use their phones. You shouldn't be asking other people to use it. That's so personal. Yeah.
You can make a call. Right. No way. I left my phone in a cab in New York City once and it was like the most stressed I've ever been.
Oh, that would freak me out. You have no idea how, I feel like I evolved on some like, on some internal like intrinsic level. I feel like I evolved like a couple stages. Natural selection is going on right now.
I was super late to a flight and I was just running and I was listening to music and then as I got to the airport, my music cut out and I was like, what the hell is that? And then I realized that like a phone was in a cab. Yeah. But it was such a profoundly, I still think about it.
I have dreams about it every now and again. That feeling. It's the feeling when you don't have your wallet, your phone and your keys. It really is this thing.
The tap. I don't go anywhere, so I don't do it. But the three tap. Oh yeah.
The iconic part about this conversation is that the last foreign browser I used I think was yours. Did you say anything crazy? No. No.
You were what Chris was saying is that you were so open that at least to Chris it would have been, I'm not saying, that's all I do. No. Totally. I totally agree with that.
You are the producer of the content, so I have to just be comfortable with you using our stuff. Sure. And I also, I agree with Chris generally, but I also intrinsically know that there's nothing that's going to embarrass me on this. Right.
Yeah. Like it's just not. It's not a different time. Well, I think we need to get back to the littering topic here at Hanson.
I think this is very important. Oh, right. I agree. Everybody has, I will say different degrees of weird stuff they like to watch on YouTube, of course.
Definitely. Definitely. For me right now, I'm not embarrassed about this, but I'm on part 55 of the Christian A Comprehensive History documentary on YouTube. Oh, wow.
I gotta watch that. I gotta look into that right now. It is, Colin, it is extensive. It is, I mean, 40 minutes a piece.
Is it excessive? It's pretty in-depth. It basically covers every chronicle notes, video, any kind of information about Christian is covered in this. Here it is.
I agree. I am fairly certain that he is the most documented person in the world. Like, actually. I don't think that's hyperbole.
I think there's more information that's even just politically interesting about Christian than there is about George Washington. This is insane. Part 67. Yeah.
I'm on 55 right now. What are they on? What are they on? They're on in the 60s, I think.
Alright, so let's say 67 is the newest one then. Yeah. At 40, that's 45 hours. Yeah, you have no idea.
I've been watching it over months. I'm pretty sure that's longer than, like, Breaking Bad. It is. By multitudes, I'm pretty sure.
It's very extensive. It's very good. It is so well done, too. That's the funny part, is that it is of the highest quality.
But anyway, so that's something weird that I watch. That is nowhere near as strange as a littering kink on YouTube. Like, that's a little, I don't know. You get into these weird pockets of YouTube communities that you feel like when you discover them, you don't really know if you should be there.
You don't know if you were meant to find this. And this idea of a littering kink community, I mean, who knows what else is out there. I know that there's, I found a community a few years ago of elevator enthusiasts on YouTube that document elevators in their area and, like, talk about, like, go over, like, which model it is, how many years. They'll be like a Bozkov's at this random-ass mall or something talking about elevators.
But it's not kinky. So, when you add a kink element, we get into new, at least I don't think the elevator thing is kinky. It might be. I don't know, man.
I was going to say, it makes more sense to me to watch that stuff than watching, like, WatchMojo or something. Yeah. I would judge somebody a lot harsher for watching WatchMojo than littering Fetishist videos. I just hate when I look for something and it's them.
And, like, you know, one of those channels that's, like, very slickly produced with the annoying VO and all that. I think I said this recently, I was looking for, like, errors in films that were kept in films, and it's, like, all of them. And, like, Jesus, you have to really cut through the shit here. YouTube's so interesting, though, because the Fetishist stuff is funny because it's when real, normal things get into the realm of kink.
That intersection is where it's ambiguous. And that's a myriad of intersections. But I agree, like, if I think of, Mike and I always talk about the meme of the guy throwing the headphones off. He's, like, listening, he's, like, throwing the headphones off in disgust.
Yeah. We use that meme with each other on a constant basis. I always talk about the FBI agent that, like, the fake FBI agent, presumably, that watches all my life. The guy is constantly doing that.
Because of, like, what I'm... Not that it's, like, anything disgusting. He's, like, what is going on here? What are you doing?
It's, like, you're watching 90 minutes of chess videos, and then you're watching, like, a predator get caught. And calling his wife, and then you're going and watching, like, a real news item. And then you're watching, like, Pat McAfee. And then you collect bees.
And then, yeah, a beekeeper. The Hornet King. Yeah. Good shit.
It's nonsense. I don't know if it's because I'm maybe ADD or something. I'm just, like, everywhere with my interests. But I've always felt that way.
Like, it's good to be eclectic. But I don't think you would look at anything that I have and be like, that's fetishistic. I don't think. I mean, I guess that would be up to your interpretation.
Yeah, depends. Yeah, that's... That's very... I don't think we have the time.
We have the time to watch a 67-part Christian documentary. I've been watching this all year. Literally. Like, a few months off, but I'm back now.
In fairness to Dustin, I mean, I've been following this Chronicle for quite some... Like, since high school, I think. He's an OG historian. Yeah, I remember.
Because I remember when this was all over the place. And he was, like, really... He was, like, the room of people. Have you ever seen The Room by Tommy Wiseau, that movie, that famously horrible movie?
Yeah. I never saw it, but I only heard of it. Because I mistook it for the movie, the Brie Larson movie, Room. And then I said, I saw The Room, meaning that everyone made fun of me.
That's a great experience. Like, what, you saw The Room? I'm like, yeah, like, she's stuck in a fucking thing, and like... Anyway.
I'm sorry, I interrupted you, I think. I don't remember what I was saying. I apologize. It's okay.
It doesn't really matter. It's not important. Well, something... Dude, YouTube is so good.
I have to just say real quick. I'm a little... I guess it's just like, maybe I'm basic in quotes in some way, but... I see people making fun of YouTube Premium, and I'm like, YouTube Premium is awesome.
Are you crazy? You watch ads on YouTube. I cannot believe people watch ads on YouTube. I watch so much YouTube that I would probably have died already, if I had to watch them in the ads.
Oh, yeah. It's totally worth it. If you were saying, if you had HBO, Netflix, Amazon, all these things, then you have to keep one of them. I'd be like, I'll keep YouTube.
Yeah, probably. Thank you very much. Okay. Guys, I think we can stop now.
And talk about actual video games. We're getting into it pretty quick this week. I want to have a PSA real quick. Just that PS5 has new firmware.
Probably downloaded itself. But if you don't have those settings, you may want to look into it. So that doesn't interrupt you next time we play. But let's talk about God of War Ragnarok.
So the game got rated by the ESRB, which is not a huge surprise. Not a huge surprise there as well. But Tom Anderson at his new website Insider Gaming reports that, as far as they have learned, and of course Tom is a very reliable source, God of War Ragnarok is 40 hours long. It's understood that the entire experience is 40 hours with 20 hours needed to complete the game's main story.
Sources have said that around 3.5 hours of the 20 hours played will be cinematic. With the remaining 16 and a half hours for gameplay, the other 20 hours of game time is completed for all the additional side quests with around 19 hours dedicated to gameplay and an additional 1 hour of cinematics. Of course these are just estimable very wildly depending on your play style. Probably take me way longer because I'm not good at video games.
Okay. How do we feel about this? This is, I assume, fine. I think for me, if you go beyond 40 hours and you're not a Japanese role playing game or a western role playing game specifically, you really have to have some sort of reason to be there.
And I feel like 40 hours is a totally reasonable expectation. How do you feel about this, Dustin? Yeah, I think I'm with you in that it is kind of the absolute maximum that I would want from this type of game. In fact, when I see that, it feels a little too long in some ways, but I'm not going to cast any kind of judgment being like, oh, it's too long before I even play it.
But I feel like a sweet spot would be closer to 30. But who knows? This game might be well worth every hour of that 40 that you play. So I'm interested for sure.
Is this longer than the original game? Let me look up real quick. No, it's not. It is longer than the original.
The original was more like a 30 hour. I would say 15 to 17 plus 8 to 10. Main story of 2018 on how long to be is 20 and a half hours. Main story plus extra is 32 hours.
Completion is 51. So it's 25% longer, 33% longer. Interesting. So that seems fine to me.
I think that's somewhat the expectation. I feel like Horizon was similar. I think it's just that I kind of cringe a little bit when I think about fast traveling around a God of War game for 40 hours. I really hope they fix that shit in this new game because it was just making...
I'm sorry, it was such a slog. It was just such a slog for me for that reason. I think that's what really took me out of loving the experience as opposed to just liking it. Chris, how do you fill out 40 hours with Ragnarok?
You're an above average game player, so I doubt you would even take 40 hours for that. I mean, we'll see. I don't think it will give me that much. I don't think it's that hard of a game.