*24.4 Makkos Daf 16 A (19 lines Dn)*

*24.4 Makkos Daf 16 A (19 lines Dn)*Rabbi Yochanan: _Hasra’as safek_ is a valid _hasra’ah_ .Reish Lakish: _Hasra’as safek_ is not a valid _hasra’ah._Rabbi Yochanan: _Malkos_ is not administered for a _lav she’ein bo maaseh._Reish Lakish: _Malkos_ is administered for a _lav she’ein bo maaseh._They each claim a source for this opinion from the Beraisa in which Rabbi Yehuda teaches that Nosar is not punishable by _malkos_ because it’s a _lav hanitak l’eseh._ It would however also be a _hasra’as safek_ (support for Rabbi Yochanan) as well as a _lav she’ein bo maaseh_ (support for ReishLakish).The support to Rabbi Yochanan is a challenge to Reish Lakish.Reish Lakish quotes a different statement by Rabbi Yehuda which proves that his opinion was: _Hasra’as safek_ is not a valid _hasra’ah._*Summary**Challenge to Rabbi Yochanan:* The support to Reish Lakish is a challenge to Rabbi Yochanan. [If there is indeed no _malkos_ for a_lav she’ein bo maaseh,_ why does the beraisa explain the lack of _malkos_ because of _lav hanitak l’eseh?]_*Resolution:* There is a different statement by Rabbi Yehuda that proves it is so:Rav Idi bar Avin amar Rav Amram amar Rabbi Yitzchok amar Rabbi Yochanan:*Rabbi Yehuda from Rabbi Yosi Haglili: There is no _malkos_ for a _lav she’ein bo maaseh_* with the exception of Nishba _[a false oath (an oath which is false from the time it is taken, unlike the case in 24.2 where the oath was not fulfilled)],_ Meimar _[exchanging a korban for a different animal],_ Mekallel Bashem _[cursing with the name of Hashem]._*Difficulty: Rabbi Yehuda made contradictory statements.*[In 24.2 he said that Nosar, despite being a _lav she’ein bo maaseh_ and a _hasra’as safek,_ is not punishable by _malkos_ solely because it is a _lav hanitak l’eseh_ *( _lav she’ein bo maaseh_ and _hasra’as safek_ are both punishable by _malkos_ ).* And yet, in 24.3 he said that *_hasra’as safek_ would not cause a _malkos_* liability, and here in 24.4 he said that *_lav she’ein bo maaseh_ would not cause a _malkos_* liability!]*Reish Lakish: Different _tannaim_* taught the _beraisas_ quoted in 24.2 and 24.3, they disagree on what Rabbi Yehuda’s position was.*Rabbi Yochanan:* The _beraisa_ brought here is quoting *Rabbi Yehuda’s teacher* . Rabbi Yehuda’s own position is recorded by the _beraisa_ in 24.2._________________Also attached is daf טז to print. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. This podcast has been graciously sponsored by JewishPodcasts.fm. There is much overhead to maintain this service so please help us continue our goal of helping Jewish lecturers become podcasters and support us with a donation: https://thechesedfund.com/jewishpodcasts/donate