24: Honest Prayers for Low Seasons // Justin McRoberts

"We enter into relationship—we enter into meaning—through the doorway of feeling, and specifically negative feelings. To eliminate those would be to eliminate...the sweetness of actual relationship." —Justin McRoberts, author, spiritual director, and creative consultantIn this episode, author Justin McRoberts and I explore the complexities of human emotions, including the importance of embracing imperfection, the beauty of connecting with pain—both our own and others'—and the role of curiosity in our healing. Justin shares insights from his latest book, In the Low, reminding us that our seasons of darkness and depression are not evidence that we're broken, but an essential, beautiful part of being human.We talk about things like:Disappointing people so that you can become who you are meant to beEmbracing pain as a way to know ourselves—and connect with others—more deeplyWhy sitting with hard emotions takes practice How curiosity can help us learn from our emotionsReminders that our current situation is not our final destination; there is hope beyond the lowThe beauty of acquainting ourselves with our shortcomings and imperfections How there are depths of human relationships that we don't get to experience without painThe importance of inviting others to help learn about yourself (rather than fix you)Justin McRoberts is an author, coach, speaker, and songwriter. When he’s not writing, speaking, or coaching, you can find him as the host of the At Sea Podcast. He just released his 8th book (and the 3rd he’s written with Scot Erickson), In the Low: Honest Prayers for Dark Seasons. He lives in the East San Francisco Bay Area, and he calls his mom every day. RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:In the Low: Honest Prayers for Dark Seasons - https://a.co/d/h9t7RKnConnect with Justin:Coaching and more - https://www.justinmcroberts.com/Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/justinmcroberts/At Sea Podcast - https://www.justinmcroberts.com/podcast  * * * STAY CONNECTEDConnect with Jillian on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jilliandebritz/Want to reach out to Jillian about speaking or coaching? Learn more on her website: https://jilliandebritz.com/Sign up for the monthly Permission Slips email newsletter: https://jilliandebritz.myflodesk.com/subscribeSubscribe to Permission Slips on Substack: https://substack.com/@jilliandebritzBe sure to subscribe to Permission Slips so you never miss an episode, and please share or review this podcast to help others find it!