The Joe Wilgen experience Train my day Joe Wilgen podcast my night all day Pass this is the way avoid violence at all costs you know me gently. You dog your fucking author. It's making easy I'm not an author until tomorrow I can read it which makes you an author I have a book in my hand. Yes makes you an author I tell you what man you had more of a you had more of a hand in that book than you would think Every you know before we started I had you sign one of the copies because I'm gonna keep it for myself and the people's names You associated themself with that you took a chance on me and supporting me They have just as much as hands as the monkey who may or may not have been sitting in front of the computer writing out the words very slowly Isn't that the case with everything in life though?
I mean it's really who you know and like the people that you associate associate with and what you learn from them and their examples With everything and there's no individuals that are responsible entirely for their own life There are individuals though that would tell you that they are Those are the people that I don't hang out with yeah I can't I can't suffer being in the presence of somebody who thinks that they had every idea and every right decision was there Is because I look at my own life one I can't compete with that because my life is defined by its mistakes and idiotic things I've done but to I just I don't get it I'm a product of the people who I was raised by the people I was around the people still in my life I mean hundred percent we all are if you don't think that you're delusional, but you cannot have an exceptional person that's surrounded by dip Shits they just won't eventually they'll give in to dip shittery. It's contagious negative people you really got me thinking though If that is possible I'm trying to think of it as impossible. It could be possible, but it's very highly unlikely And also they didn't achieve their full potential if that's the case they would have been even better You know if they have been surrounded by exceptional people improbable at best. Yeah, I best Yeah, I've never seen an example of it Again, maybe one exists that I don't know about but as far as all the exceptional people that I know they all associate with other exception people You know quite a few exceptional people you have an interesting job that has a Venn diagram that is incredibly unique in the people You've been able to sit down with pretty fucking weird.
Did you ever think no first up by the way? I try to point as many people as possible to JRE number one because I think it's a good thing to see oh my god It's terrible. I'm like wait for the snowflakes and they go what the fuck are you talking about? Like I'm like just wait.
It's amazing. I mean could you have ever thought though at JRE one where I feel like that was you on a laptop? Yeah, 100% yeah, it's where you are now where you were like sitting down and talking to some of the most influential people on the face of Planet Earth no I mean I think if I planned it out like that would have never worked, you know you would have tried too hard maybe I don't know What I would have done I mean I probably would have been more careful which would have made it less fun which would have made it less attractive You know I think the two things that I've done that are really important is not pay attention to much online talk about me and just Follow my interests and my instincts like I book the whole thing entirely on instinct I look at like the all the different suggestions that come in and all the different requests to be on the show and I go No, no, how's that huh purely on self interest a hundred percent? I think that's the way what do you get per day like ballpark?
People I don't even know because I have a really good guy that filters out a lot of them I bet it's got to be in the hundreds. Yeah, no, I'm sure yeah But he filters out a lot of them and it gets down to you know like what I he knows me really well And so he you know sends me you know like some physicist is working on some new things Some quantum thing this that the other thing like there's a new person that's doing this and there's new research on that And then there's you know that kind of shit yet I think the difference between you and me is I appreciate the fact you can hold a conversation with those people I would be sitting there listening to them with like the scroll wheel Do you have words that are smaller that could explain that some of them? I have to really prepare for like you know if I have like a Brian Cox on or something like that I'll really prepare you know or you know There's been a few people over over time where I knew they were coming on like three months out So I've read a couple of their books I watched a few of their lectures I what you know yeah, but then there's other ones like I could just hang out hang out with them You know like Evan Evan Haver comes on we just shoot the shit angry small French painter He's the best I was with him at the Montana Grand Opening Montana Company Grand Opening their new HQ We've been on the road a bit. I think it's like two days ago.
He's one of my favorite people absolutely He's so we but it's one of my favorite people. He's an awesome human Yeah, very unusual human thing and you know he's one of the ones that suffer from that stupid fucking alpha gal bite He's got that tick he got big by that tick that makes you allergic to red meat is it all red meat or processed red meat? It's animal meat. It's mammal meat.
That's the thing you could eat some fish some people can eat fish some people can eat chicken He's broken it down to only eating eggs right now. That's how bad it is. He's getting all this protein from eggs Which is a great source of protein no doubt, but that's exhaustingly boring though. Just go to dinner with him It's crazy the guys eat vegetables and eggs.
What's all he can eat? I would just mock him incessantly to his face. I know you Yeah, I mean I would mock him that way because I care for him So deeply he is truly like one of my closest friends. He is he's an awesome dude Yeah, and so he's been battling this for a couple years now So he got clear of it and he was eating meat again And he was fine and he thought it was over and then it came back he came back with a vengeance And it's a weird fucking disease because I let's find out put this into perplexity What what is the most?
What is as far as like the documented cases of this alpha gal syndrome? When did it first start occurring in the United States because I had never even heard about it until Evan when he told me about it I was like what you gotta allergic to red meat and how can it tick bite cause I mean Lyme disease is another one like How does it do that? Bite from a tick just jacks up the human body. Well, apparently Lyme disease has existed There's been forms of Lyme disease throughout history But there's real solid evidence that Lyme disease which is named Lyme disease because of Lyme Connecticut is related to Plum Island Where they were doing bio weapons research on ticks historically good idea.
It's right there It's like literally right there and then the prevalence of Lyme disease on the East Coast is fucking outrageous It's outrageous how many ticks carry this fucking thing I know so many people that have Lyme disease and that's a lifelong one too, right? Like you're not getting off that train if you can manage this you can cure it you can cure it people have cured it and they particularly Cureded if they get on antibiotics very quickly. So one of the weird things about Lyme disease is it the bite has like a little target around it It's weird. It's like it almost looks like a bull's-eye because the infection as it grows There's a red circle around the bite and if that's but that goes away within a few days But if that's recognized you bring to a doctor to get your antibiotics You can actually get off of it depending on the severity of your case obviously So here is Alpha-Gal syndrome is appeared to have first emerged in the US in the late 1980s But was not recognized as a distinct tick related meat allergy until the early 2000s So in 89 clinicians in Georgia Collected about 10 cases of delayed allergic reactions to mammalian meat mammalian mammalian and link them to prior tick bites These observations were not widely recognized at the time Allergy was first formerly identified as originating from tick bites in the US by Thomas Platt's Mills in the early 2000s reports Note this discovery process beginning around 2002 and becoming clear by 2007 huh?
So the in the medical literature is first described in 2009 when published work documented patients with delayed reactions to red meat and link them to IGE against Alpha-Gal interesting So it seems like it's in the 80s, but really started being recognized in the 2000s explain I mean he has definitely he's slender down. Yeah, I mean he's lost I think he lost 10 pounds I'm pretty sure it is where it is whites pants. Okay, so you're very tight very tight. I'm acceptably tight But that could be a benefit if you're the same size as your wife and you have just one wardrobe I'm here for it.
That's nice. Yeah. Yeah, it's efficiency. So they're shoes though a really hard walk around it I mean you got a commit.
Yeah, I would imagine. Yeah, when I go places with my wife, I'm like, what are you doing? You can't walk. This is a crazy thing you're doing.
It's not for a walk fashion It's for what my daughter would call the steeze, which I think means style. I didn't know that I'm actually not sure that I'm using it correctly. She just teaches me words and I throw them out at random times But I've learned a lot from my kids. Steeze me style.
I think yeah, steeze. Okay. Did you know what that one Jamie? The steeze?
I've probably forgotten that. I've never heard it until this moment. At least I don't believe so. The steeze.
Yeah, I'm afraid to use it however you want. Yeah, chicks wear stuff that they're so vulnerable in. You can only take steps that are less than 24 inches wide Because you've got a dress that's like clinging to your knees, which is very odd like it's like tight all around here So you've got these like short steps and then the bottoms of your shoes are slippery And then your heels are elevated and then the heel has a point to it. Yeah, so it gets stuck in the grass Just waiting to snap at the most inopportune moment.
It's the dumbest shit of all time and they're fucking crazy expensive The whole thing makes no sense. Like what are they doing? They're trying to look good for us. Yeah, but they look good already That's what they don't understand.
I think they're looking good for themselves. I think they look good without that shit I would agree. Oh, yeah, I'll hunt chicken flip-flops. No one's going god.
She was wearing some shoes that you couldn't walk around in She might even be more approachable if she wasn't flip-flops because you'd be like she's like maybe more down to earth Maybe that's what they're going for. They're going for not approachable. Trying to keep the fucking Does that defeat the overall end up like long end-around purpose? No, you trying to get dudes that are you know willing to take a chance You know what on a gal that's unapproachable like you have enough confidence in yourself that you'll step up to an unapproachable gal.
Nope not me Hard pass I'm gonna work. I would like to do some things that people think are odd, but yeah, I'm hard That's a hard pass. Yeah, I know but it's also it's like you're not you're in line There's a lot of other dudes approaching that too. So now that it's like your in an audition process Fuck all of that.
Oh, yeah life is way too short for it's great for people who don't have anything else to do If that's all you want to do. No, yeah, I'm not sure that's the same. There's way too much other exciting shit out there But yeah, if you and your wife wore all the same clothes it would be an issue a good issue or bad I mean if you're limited on time, we're gonna go on a trip Let's just bring a pair of pants. We'll switch.
I wonder what people did in caveman days I don't think they were wearing much right when you wearing like some kind of animal skins It's basically a one size fits all yeah, tarp low you cloth yeah Loin cloth to keep your dick from getting caught in thorns and then a tarp Yeah, yeah cutting edge at the time I was reading the story about these guys that were like exceptional marathon runners in Africa and one of the things that they did is this insane fucking rites of passage where they would circum size them with this I Don't remember the process, but it was a particularly brutal process They slice the tip of the dick off and then they would make them literally crawl through thorns Yeah, but the whole idea is just I could make you as hard as humanly possible and these guys they were pointing to this one tribe as Developing exceptional marathon runners because these guys had such high pain tolerance and such like willingness to go through horrific or deals What is it there it is initiation? Okay So he says he had to crawl mostly naked through a tunnel of African stinging nettles Then he was beaten on the bony parts of his ankle and his knuckles were squeezed together And then the formic acid from the stinging nettle was wiped onto his genitals But that was all just a warm-up early one morning. He was circumcised with a sharp stick. That's what it is a stick Stick during this whole process the crawling the beatings and the cuttings try to say that guy's name no keep going Keep go guy keep go guy.
Keep go guy. Keep go. Gogie was a blind Sounds like a Korean dish was a blige to be absolutely stoical unflinching He could not make a sound indeed in some of the versions of the ceremony mud is caked on the face and then mud is allowed to drive a crack Up here is the mud your cheekmate twitch your forehead made crinkle you get labeled a kibbit tet a coward you get you label a coward if you're Crinkles and stigmatized by the whole community Manner say that this is enormous social pressure placed on your ability to endure pain and is actually great training for a sport Like running we're pushing through pain is so fundamental to success Circumstations he says teaches kids to withstand pressure and tolerate pain Manner says he thinks his distinct advantage conferred on athletic kids who grew up in a pain-embracing society as opposed to Western pain of What he want interesting. Yeah, is this where's this at in Kenya?
Is it Kenyan tribe? Yeah? I mean I'm gonna be honest with you Joe if that's what they did to your people I would run pretty goddamn fast too because I would want to get the hell out of there Yeah, I think it's that but I just think you know you're joking obviously But imagine if that's the norm if that's your baseline You're like accustomed to that that's the worst thing that you go through and you have to do a completely stoic at a young age At a young age you would develop some insane tolerance to discomfort which I don't know if one time is enough though I mean like what they're describing as horrendous the true tolerance and resilience and ability to work through that stuff I don't think it's a singular event right now. The marathon running is an easy endeavor by any stretch So they're continuing to do that.
I mean I get what they're doing that right of passage, but holy hell I mean that's pretty gnarly That's the thing that you will see from ex fighters and even ex-military guys like what they endured when they were young was so brutal that As they get older they avoid any discomfort at all They get fat and they just want to drink and be lazy and you're like how did you go from being that fucking beast till the slob and You know they still in their mind. They're still a beast. No because I did this when I was a world champion like a big fucking bill Yeah, they can't see their dick when they're naked anymore weird. I Don't have any stats on how it is because they stop doing it correct Right, I mean laziness affects everybody right I think that you come from the special operations world and you're defined by discipline for the rest of your life No, you're still human being at the end of the day behind the curtain and you know Gravity wants to keep guys like that on the couch just as much as everybody else Yeah, but I think you realize the utility of not allowing that to happen some people do some people do I mean that's true of every occupation in life sure, you know, yep Yep, maybe it's a little bit more uncommon for people to see those that came from that one of those occupations But yeah, they're out there.
Yeah, I think that's probably in everything in the medical world I'm sure there's guys that like really paid attention in college and then they're kind of half-assing it as doctors Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's like the difficulty of the grind sometimes you get through it and then you just go I don't ever fucking do that again like I know guys who are forming Navy seals will not get in a fucking nice bath Yeah, I'm one of those Why would I consensually do that? No, no, and I also wish that they could make a sauna that was just room temperature, but had all the health benefits I see sauna doesn't bother me at all. I can tolerate that one way more than exceptionally cold water Yeah, I understand the health benefit.
I'm willing to pass on that particular health benefit to it's emotional for me I just don't want to do that anymore. I get it. Yeah, I get it But when I get to the cold plunge, there's a the bitch in me is so loud, but when I get to the sauna there's no bitch It's like just get in it's like I know it's gonna suck about 20 minutes in it'll suck for the last five minutes It's really gonna suck But the first ten is easy. I just high-five my interbitch at the cold plunge and turn around I like you take a laugh at that thing.
I'm done with it. I almost don't do it every day every day almost don't do it Yeah, it's harder emotionally than it is physically and It's weird because after a minute. It's not that bad. Well after one minute It's like you just kind of you develop like sort of a relaxation and you're cool Yeah, it's fine Especially if you do it a lot But the first 10 15 seconds are just like what am I doing?
You just want to get out You just want to quit like get me the fuck out of this 34 degree water with ice up to my neck fuck this This is so stupid. I don't have to do it. I feel like I have a heart attack But then you just chill and then when you get out you're like, oh you feel so good. It's so worth it or Don't do it.
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Yeah, I know something whether physiology that it might actually be detrimental to do 34 degrees that See if you find any data on that. You know who's a great what's her name is Suzanne Soberg. She's one of created the sober principle She's one Huberman sites all the time But I think there's something to do maybe it's less muscle mass, you know Your body has a more difficult time heating itself up and you know creating a thermal barrier Huberman is an example of a guy that I deeply respect but struggled to understand what he's saying Here it is Is this a dance you put this in perplexity our wonderful AI sponsor perplexity So Pacific conditions considerations for women tend to vasoconstrict faster and have larger drops in core temperature Uh-huh, especially those in I don't know what that is Ludial phase. It's the up there cycle the cycle.
Oh When progesterone is higher so extreme cold to be more stressful very cold plunges near ice 35 to 45 degrees can cause big symptom sympathetic and cortisol spikes that may disrupt menstrual regularity and thyroid function if overused oh interesting animal unlimited human data suggests cold can influence reproductive hormones and cycles women with heavy cramps and endometriosis Fibroids and or on HRT contraception should be cautious and talk with the clinician first good luck finding a fucking clinician that understands cold plunges though And there's a picture of me in the lower right? It's probably what I look like when I get my toe and I just don't like it man. Don't do it. You don't know how to feel like I think it's the correct term You suffer enough you suffer enough So this book the title is drowned proof.
Yeah, you were saying before we got started How many Navy seals wind up drowning? Yeah, and that it's actually kind of shocking it would be for a community that is supposed to have their roots in a maritime environment I'm in the seal community draws its origins from the udts and the scouts and raiders and honestly up until 9-11 it was one foot in the water and one foot on land like every operation would start in the water and then you could go On to the land but you probably go back into the water and almost all the training We did 9-11 was based around water and I think let's see Jamie you can look this up two seals recently drowned on a shipboarding real world shipboarding One guy it seems like in the climb peeled off the ladder It went into the water and somebody saw him and went in with him because of the concept of being a swim buddy never to be seen again Oh, yeah, and they know what what happened to them like out I mean, it's yeah, 2024 the Arabian Sea Oh sweet fell off a ship. Yeah, so they were approaching a vessel I mean there's a couple ways that you can get on a boat You can come from a boat and you can climb up or you can go to from helicopter and fast rope down where they could land depending on how big the boat is So they were coming up alongside It's called an underway or VBSS visit board search and seizures the technical military term for it and on the climb up the ladder The guy peeled off fell off the ladder and another one went with him as a swim buddy If they immediately and there was and it maybe still is an ongoing investigation from my understanding They saw their head maybe one time up and then they were gone their bodies were never recovered So that would seem to be that they were wearing negatively buoyant equipment so they were drug down and they probably were not able to activate their Life jackets in time, which is super unfortunate But the water doesn't give a shit who you are and how much of a badass you are I think it's one of the most gnarly environments on earth really is every time I go in the ocean and I swim in the ocean There's this feeling like I think I can make it to shore But I might not be able to like if you jump off of a boat and you've got like a couple hundred yards to shore Yeah, as you start swimming you start swimming like I'm fine. I'm fine.
Oh boy. My heart is going pretty fast here I'm breathing pretty heavy. That's a long way. I'm moving very slowly.
Yeah, I quit if I can't do this These are real positive thoughts to have it's with swim here Joe. Yeah, not good. Not good. Yeah It's only happened to me a few times, but yeah, my friend Greg actually had a save a woman He was on vacation He saw a woman getting caught in the tide and she's getting pulled out like a retired Uh-huh never that was things will pull people out never to be seen again people Don't so I live up in northwestern Montana in a lot of the flathead lake the largest freshwater lake west in the Mississippi is right where I live In Glacier National Park tons of snowfall and so it's glacially fed rivers that feed into a flathead National Forest Or not in flight National Forest They have a flat Lake and voting is a huge summertime activity and it people come travel from all over the world to come to Montana to see GMP Glacier National Park and every year people are drowning in these rivers and I don't know It's dangerous, but it can be avoided But it seems as if they just do not have respect for even medium moving water They have no no exposure to it They're not used to be any to being in that water and they don't look at and realize like that'll kill me so incredibly fast and every Year people are going into that thing and dying every year well It makes sense also that it's so fucking cold that waters you got glacier Streams, yeah, it's like bremy will rescue the lady from that, you know, Remy Yeah, yeah, Remy actually saw a boat that had capsized and saw like gear floating by and saw a woman that was struggling I believe her partner died No, I'm sure a partner died and he jumped in freezing cold river and rescued her and he was like there's a bunch of moments during there I was like I am not going to make and I'm gonna die trying to save this lady Which happens when people get close to that point Either going to in your best attempt to save them They will try to use you as a life route climb all over the next thing You know two people are going to go on instead right the water water will eat your lunchman It's it's wild, but you think you we spend some time training in the water that would happen.
There's I mean there's diving accidents There is there are deaths in training how often does that occur deaths in training? Oh probably about every five years and It sucks and what I'm about to say people won't understand, but I also think it's essential I don't want it to happen But I think it probably is essential that it does every once in a while because the training has to be so difficult that you get to the brink You have to train people for the job that they're going to be asked to do and the training Standards need to be a directly downstream reflection of what the career is going to be and I don't have the vocabulary to describe How bad I feel for the families and I'm not trying to minimize anybody's death But you will lose more people in the real world execution of the job if you don't make training that difficult Then you will by making it that dangerous knowing that it's gonna be that dangerous and that people will die that will have a positive impact on people Surviving that actually job itself that completely makes sense It's just the realities of life. Yeah, some jobs are very unique and some jobs have very unique requirements and you have to train for that Or it's it's gonna either come for you on the front end of that or the tail end of that That's the balance of which one of those you're gonna focus on which is why the lowering of standards is so fucking dangerous And when it's talked about like the lowering of standards to make it fair for some applicants like there's no fair in that job I've never seen a bullet change trajectory because it noticed what you have between your legs and wanted to go be more Farad equitable to somebody else, you know, it's it doesn't matter in those moments nor does the ocean give a fuck no period No, I don't believe it does So we try to apply these workplace equity Considerations to something that's is like literally I can't think of a job that requires more of you than war Like there is there's this is literal life or death and taking life There's no there's no job that requires more of you and so you would just automatically assume the standards Especially for special operations guys have to be the most stringent possible You have to weed out all the bitches like you can have any bitch in you at all It's gonna be none no quit no nothing and that's there's only one way to do that It has to you have to make a bunch of people quit a lot of the times the people who are bottom lining the policy changes Don't have a direct impact in the training pipeline themselves for the execution job, which is crazy Yeah, I mean the military's a bureaucratic system even in the special operations world even at like the J Sock level people would be never never really makes the movie the amount of paperwork that you end up doing like you want to Trippen up to collect your receipts into your travel claim and all this other BS It's all just shit blowing up and you know you throw a grenade and it's a fireball the size of the 55 Yallen drum and gasoline and yeah And then there's two days sitting in front of a computer typing out all of your administrative stuff because of all the bureaucratic restraints They're still involved in all of that. It doesn't seem smart It's just the way the military system works knows that to Somehow to mitigate potential actions that should not have been done because you have to be so documented everything has to be so laid out I mean there's a lot of even like the equipment that you wear oftentimes well almost all of it is gonna be serialized So you were issued that equipment you're responsible for it There's paperwork that goes for being issued that if you lose it which does happen and it's not gonna be career Anyway, if you went out for a week in a row and you're like hey I lost my night vision goggles and get them on you know So those you might have a problem, but shit happens and people lose gear But you know night vision weapons ordinance ammunition like a lot of that stuff is serialized And so it's just the bureaucratic way that even at that level you still have to keep track of all that stuff You think they should hire somebody else to do that they do But oftentimes you are in small units very isolated by yourself and you still have to maintain like even in the middle of nowhere You still have to maintain the paperwork aspect of all the stuff that you take with you Yeah, that's not crazy.
Yeah, that seems like an unnecessary distraction to an already very insanely difficult job I mean, I'm not saying we do the paperwork. Well I C'mon, there's a reason why the DOD is never pass an audit, but I mean ever I know the Pentagon like how many years in a row the Pentagon failed their audits like 700 Really is kind of bockers. I believe the Marine Corps is the only branch of the military that has ever actually done a legitimate audit in past Really those guys are tightened up man those guys kind of lumbarines. They are the most of the Marines.
They are the best man Wow, they've their own guys have passed audits. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, the rest of us are just out there like I think I got it with me But the problem with that is once you don't pass audits and there's a history of you not only not passing audits But not being punished for not passing audits that opens up the door No, the Pentagon has never passed never passed a full clean department wide financial audit of As of the latest audits defense department is the only one of 24 major federal agencies that has never passed a full financial audit hell Yeah, so it's only been going on since 2018.
So no big deal guys. It's only eight years. Yeah, that's only a few trillion dollars Whatever whatever it's fake money anyway. They just make it.
That's pretty crazy Well, the budget is interesting in the military. So they go off a fiscal year from October 1st and Okay, this hold up with this statistic where the Pentagon's own audit materials have pointed to a target of around 2028 financial year to achieve to finally achieve a clean department wide audit contingent on fixing longstanding accounting And systems problems imagine if like the IRS calls you up says Andy you didn't pass your audit I think I can get it in 2028. I'm on a lower trajectory towards this target. You want to be yeah, you want me like this?
I'm like this I can get there in about two years Take all your money between now and then oh, yeah, no, we don't need to do that Let's give you a bigger budget to work with I wonder if that answer takes into account What's going on currently in the world because I feel like we're running through some inventory that might have to be Seems like there's probably a lot of ordinance that's been a lot of it does sit around for a while So there is an argument to expanding it. I am not in any way shape or form it could go bad. It's like tomatoes You got exactly like Suppose a grenade is slightly tomato shaped but a JDM looks nothing like it to me Do they do what I mean just I don't know if this ever happened What do they do if whether it's missiles or any weapons been sitting around too long and you Is there an expiration date? There probably is and I mean I've been there when we have literally burned like rifle ammunition large stockpiles of rifle ammunition Really?
Yeah, because if it's sitting around too long there comes the possibility that it's no longer effective I mean this is a while ago. I think it was more that once we got issued it We were expected to expend it all so we were not allowed to take it back to base with us So we were oh that's hilarious. Oh, that's an even dumber You want some funny stories talk to Evan some time. I bet you he's had this experience so there's a Weapon called Carl Gustav that if you shoot too many of these things It's an Emmanuel it'll start separating the lining in your lungs from your body because you just it is just this massive Project out and you'll go out and do these training evolutions and they'll say yeah Yeah, the Carl G do not stand behind this bad boy when it goes off So how many can you shoot before it separates the linings of your lungs I believe the warning is somewhere around six Jesus Christ Oh, you'll go out to training evolutions and there'll be five guys and there's a palette of ammunition and they'll say you're not leaving here Until all these are shot.
Oh my god, and you're you're cracking off Carl G Isn't so you have a nosebleed or you'll go out there they have like law rockets or you know When I first went through M60 ammo though, I kept it you guys the train is not over until you guys shoot all this But yeah, but we totally did everything we're supposed to we understand that but just go ahead and lay down on the line and shoot these Thousands of rounds of ammunition of whatever you want to because it's been issued to you so now you need to go Expended can you show me one of those things going off Jamie? Carl G's I want to see what what it looks like I'm trying to talk my wife into naming our next up Carl G I shot a 50 caliber ones and I was like a Barrett. Yeah, I was like that feel like your whole body just goes Yeah, so this is a two-man evolution here. Look at the size of that bad boy.
Yes, close it lock it He's checking the back glass. This guy's like fuck. I'm about to lose my teeth Here we go. Oh, did you shoot it?
Yeah, I didn't see it. It's supposed to be essentially recoiling It doesn't why didn't they show it? They did well it showed again. That's that's the back glass right there.
Oh, yeah So he doesn't even move. Oh when he was pulling the trigger that wasn't loaded. That was a fake shot of him showing how you pulled the trigger. Oh, Yeah, okay.
Yeah, we'll see if there's more I just want a better shot of it actually going off in his arms. Let me see what it looks like Here we go He looks fucking nervous. Yeah, we didn't breathe in Oh my goodness. Oh, yeah air burst you can set these suckers You can twist the the word head to set it to lay on the thing You can have an air burst like they're trying to play hide and seek with you on a wall See this is the argument for those little robot dogs Because you put one of them little robot dogs and have that thing shoot it and that way you don't have to lose the lining of your lungs I don't know if a robot tugging handle that thing really what about one of them big robot dogs?
Probably I'm sure the size of robot dog that can handle that I mean you would imagine I'm gonna need a friendly other robot dog to reload it for him, right? But that would be possible that would totally be possible or the robot dog has like arms in the back. Yeah, that can do it That was a training round nice little rifle barely. That's crazy.
Yeah, that's cool. See what a great shot Imagine standing there taking that shot though fuck all that as it's going around into it Good Lord. Yeah Now next time you sit down with Evan ask him like hey, did you ever ask at the end of training evolutions ever have extra ordinance And ammunition that you had to dispose of that's crazy Yeah, just make it blow it up. Yeah, his answer will be yes, and he'll just start laughing So if you have to do it outside of shooting how do you do it?
You can blow stuff in place like you can make a large pile of stuff and you know Or something at it I'm not even fire. You can actually light a mission on fire It'll go off and if outside of direction well outside of it being compressed in the chamber of a gun Which you know if you if you think of like an AR platform rifle when the round is in the magazine it gets pushed forward by the Bolt and it's being held by all sides except for down the barrel So all of the pressure is pointed in that direction, which is what propels the bullet down barrel if you remove that it kind of just explodes in Place I'm not saying it's safe to like stand around and like have a beer while you're white like for me to you Right, we'll be on the other side of a broom. It sounds like popcorn going off Oh, okay, and then for other stuff you can layer explosive charges on top of it and probably get all of it to go I kind of seems insanely wasteful. It seems like you should be able to say we achieved what we've needed to achieve in our training Here is our excess ordinance that we could use in the future.
Mm-hmm. Yeah, you just haven't spent enough time running military Well, let's explain to me about budgets that if you do not meet your budget you get in trouble because then they can't ask for The same amount of money next year So I heard that every year that when I was in in September was a fantastic month to be in the military because that's when they Because the budget year is October 1 to October 1 so September the bean counters really start taking a look at what they have left And they'd say I was a supply rep for a short period of time Meaning I was a little cog in the wheel of supplying stuff to the guys They're like you need to spend $100,000 in the next three hours on shoes Which let me tell you our EI is happy to take your money REI comm will run that card and you always would hear this if we don't spend it We're gonna lose it, but I never actually saw that tested. I don't know if you actually would get in trouble They just always assumed that you would so you ran that sucker down to bankrupt and then October 1st You're gonna go wow. So here's a good question in terms of like shoes When your missions are involved a bunch of different types of terrain a bunch of different you like is it do they favor a lighter weight shoe that's more of an all-purpose shoe because like I Couldn't imagine you would be wearing like like a crispy mountain boot with like high leather.
Yeah, well so it's very you gotta have a wardrobe Right being good at your job is second only to looking good while doing your job So we trust me I've sent people back to like your top and bottom are matching. We're not doing this go change really Yeah, you have to look apart. It's equal to your professionalism and tactical ability interesting Yeah, maybe perhaps I was a little bit picky on that But I don't I don't want to clash on the battlefield you need to look good It's like you can't have everybody looking awesome and then what like you look like shit go change your outfit out Yeah, aren't spoots on dude. Yeah, the boots you could I mean you take a Pelican case or a box if you have a tool for every job So if you're gonna go up in the mountains if you're gonna go like a northeastern afghanistan You're gonna wear a different type of shoe for sure if you're in Iraq in an urban environment You're gonna wear the lightest weight like the sp Yeah, but I mean so you when you lay out your stuff like before every deployment you get ready to go on you're laying your stuff out you probably have two tables like this with all like desert Woodlands cold weather layering system shoes different low bearing equipment different back And then you just lay it all out put it to bag and then do the best you can then you're kind of just packing You know for what comes up in front of you and you're just ordering stuff from REI for real sometimes Yeah, wow, so not everybody not not everywhere the conventional teams are very limited in their ability to do that at a J Salk level you have a little bit more room and flexibility to source from outside vendors So you would go for the best possible tool for the job 100% of the time Yeah, yeah, instead of just get military issue correct.
Yeah, I got the dumbest question for you about This is the dumbest question Have you heard of the story of the Kandahar giant? Are we talking about an actual giant? Uh-huh? No How did you hear the story about a Kandahar?
There's a crazy thing called the Internet I may spend less time on the Internet than you guys and if you have a good algorithm and by good I mean retarded. Yeah, you get so oh my Representation obviously not an actual picture. Yeah, so there was a story that was the guy's name that was on Jesse Michael's podcast recently Tim so Supposedly there was a giant that engaged US troops in Kandahar, Afghanistan and in the very remote area and this guy was shot and killed and Medevac out of there or you know helicopter down there and there at 12 foot giant Tim Alberino and he was was he telling the story as if he was there? No, he heard this there's never a guy who was there Damn it.
There's apparently one guy who has his face covered up in one of these videos that I watched is like one of the blurry like You know like a witness to mob scene. Yep, and so you know they're legit. Oh, thank you I think the same way that's why I said it to all my friends But he was telling the story from people that he talked to that were there see and here's the thing I want stories like that to be true to I still and just waiting same thing with the aliens God I so deeply wanted to be true I just need somebody to hold up an actual piece of evidence and say this is what I'm talking about instead of I saw I know Somebody who was read into I had a buddy who got engaged by a giant or they kid like okay Where is it right and until then I got a real hard time believing that oh, I'm with you But I also want to believe which I know clouds my vision It gets me to a certain point and then the point like there's a point where my logic kicks in and I'm not willing to go any further And that's Bigfoot. Yeah with Bigfoot I'm like I know too many guys that are in the woods all the time and let's not forget the game cameras They often leave behind that's right like millions of game cameras That's right come on at this point like I could have bought it in the 1960s like maybe who knows before drones before Satellites before this before that and you know there's good arguments that you wouldn't find the body because like you and I've hunted in the mountains many Many times I've never seen a mountain lion skeleton have you?
No, no, I don't know anybody who has seen mountains I've never seen a mountain lion skeleton. I've never seen a bear skeleton I'm sure people found them Yeah, but I haven't and we know there's a shit ton of outlines and a shit ton of bears So if there was a very small population of primates, it's not inconceivable that you wouldn't find their body Especially if they were in some way advanced to the point where they were burying their dead Which is you know, it's not outside the realm of possibility. They have a language of like who knows what these things are But no, I just that doesn't I think it used to be real and then there's a real evidence of that. I want it to be no There's a thing called Gigantopithecus.
It was a eight-foot plus tall by Peter hominid that existed in Asia And it's in the orangutan family and there's like recreations what it looks like standing next to a human It's huge, but that just makes sense. I mean there used to be giant woolly mammoths There's to be giant sloths the idea of a giant primate is not inconceivable. It's like size is all relative anyway Our idea of what's big compared to a fucking giraffe or this it's all it doesn't you know if you have enough resources and there's enough food for these things They live in a lush tropical environment or a lush wilderness environment It's not impossible to think that something we get way bigger than a gorilla But for that thing to exist today. So that's what used to look like So I think that is probably what all these Ancient myths are based on that's probably what used to exist.
So it was bipedal, which is also interesting and that's based on its jaw structure So here's a question for you that you the species bearing themselves. These are intrusive thoughts that I have and can't get out of my head Why don't we bury people vertically to save space? That's a good question. Wouldn't you get more square footage more?
Yeah, be harder to make a six foot tall hole or you know for the tall person I feel like they make oil drills that could I mean I'm not saying that but now yeah But back in the day be easy to someone's laid down just roll them over into the hole I mean I was because of six foot deep hole. That's like six feet long. I'm saying it's easy. I'm just saying you today's world Yeah, I think we can evolve well Here's even we're you know you have to embalm people before you cremate them But why exactly my friend Joey Diaz says it's a racket because he knew a guy ran a funeral home big embalming market Well, it's all racket the whole funeral home things are racket They know like your family member dies you have to bury your family member You're in grief and then they try to sell you on some fucking fancy coffin They sell you on this and sell you on that but the embalming is it's mandatory I did not these are some places because I know that some people are trying to do what they call natural burials I don't know what the regulations are on like let's find that out The dude says in the US though is this a Cemetery that does it already I was trying to look at more information on it probably a bunch of cheapies one already that I can give Like you have fences so like maximum square footage utilization, right?
An issue a little bit. I don't know. There's just gravity is an issue Gravity's not gonna be the issue first off once you're in that coffin and nothing good's happen Right, right? That's how it makes sense.
What kind of gravity is it just dropping the hole? They I think they're like this like slide it down that hole I think they're saying the family doesn't like the idea that they're gonna be compressed into a small amount of the coffee I'm like a science issue. They're fucking dead You know, you know the most gnarly way they bury people or the most gnarly funeral well, they're still alive No, well they're dead. Well, that's the most gnarly right most gnarly postmortem Is the Tibetan Sky funeral you know how they do that?
No Vultures they literally break the body up chop it up into chunks and the vultures know it and so they prepare so the vultures are all hanging around waiting Well, it is a tradition in Tibet with least certain people to get rid of their bodies that way and the idea is that look the person's dead This is a more natural way, you know And they'll cycle back into the ecosystem the way it's supposed to be with all animals We're the only animal that opts out of like rea Rejoining with all biological life because it's supposed to be a biological body Deteriorates underground that feeds the soil that feeds, you know, whatever animals feast on its bones and then becomes all part of this big beautiful cycle We're like yeah, we've got some chemicals laying around we'd like to fill the veins up with to make them completely poison So that they never deteriorate or they just slowly turn into gelatinous sludge by state looks like okay So it says burial burial why is that weird to me right now burial is regulated by state by state city county zoning There's no federal rule that specifies body position horizontal versus vertical What are the laws in terms of embalming? Green or natural burial simple shroud no vault minimal disturbance is legal in all 50 states But only in locations that comply with state and local rules green or natural burial from water sources would be a big reason for that Oh interesting, so you don't want people to rot what about cows cows can rot, you know, like a dead coyote just rots Yeah, but it's not I guess well, it didn't know I was watching this documentary about this family where The kid his dad was a serial killer the dad would throw people in a well And he had to help him when he was young his dad will play kill people and then throw him down the well The first time he did it He said he was a young boy when his dad first took him to get rid of a body and throw it down a well Not all yeah, how many people have died drinking well water that was polluted by a dead body hopefully not that Life and you have you told people I would like to not be embalmed I would like to just be buried in the ground and be absorbed naturally like everything else. Do you have that written down anywhere though? No, I don't want I'm gone figured out Well, there's an argument to help figuring it out for those left behind so it makes it easier I don't want to make things easier when I'm gone.
I want to be complicated as fuck. I want them to be arguing over my will Well, I only ask because we had to think through this stuff because you do like a review of your will every time Yeah, you know final requests. I guess it would be so you had to think through that's Jamie's up scroll So for direct cremation no public viewing cremation within a few days body kept refrigerated and bombing is generally unnecessary and not legally required in most states But the thing is it's it's most of the time. It's done According to my friend Joey whose friend at least it was in the past his friend ran a funeral home the guy was telling him What a fucking scam it all is just you're just charging people for all the stuff It probably it's just like anything else.
There's many funeral homes require embalming for presentation and public health reasons If you want a public viewing or an open casket before cremation Who does that some jurisdictions or airlines you require embalming for long distance or international transport or if there's a long delay before Commision well that makes sense because if you don't embalment you're gonna stink up the whole fucking plane US logic I mean I'm sure you've smelled device before but the first time I ever smelled a dead body I was a little kid and someone died in our apartment building. It was crazy You'd walk down the hallway in the fucking smell that was me my cousins and my sister were walking down the hallway like what is that? We're probably six it was this insane smell and it turned out this lady was just living by herself died So she was just rotting in this apartment building you think you still recognize it to this day It's very unique is it humans a very unique smell supposed to a regular animal well the Mechanism of death can change I guess a little bit sure but in general yeah a couple days later like they'll kind of smell the same I've heard yeah, I've heard humans are uniquely gross in the way we smell. Yeah.
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You get a bunch of ashes. You get ashes from some fucking fucking guy. You don't even know they don't care They just shove a bunch of ashes into an urn. You know, it's grandma.
She's she's here with us forever But it's not really it's like I hope that one's not true. That's gnarly. Yes, it's like the epitome of laziness I'm pretty sure it's true. The question as though if the requirement is coming from funeral homes instead of law that courses Most of time.
Yes, the requirement to embalming before viewing or before cremation is coming from funeral homes or cemetery policy Right. So they're trying to make more money. So this is what Joey was telling me about. Yeah So it's not a federal requirement.
MDC says embalming may be necessary if you choose certain arrangements like a public viewing But the necessity is based on the funeral home standards not a blanket legal mandate So the most people probably don't know that so the funeral home will tell you oh, we have to embalm them first And you're in a pretty susceptible malleable mind space exactly. They're just really used to it They're really used to it. They must get they must get so accustomed to just give a fuck There's bodies there every day people are always dying. It's an opportunity to make more money, which is rough Yeah, you would like to think that humanity wouldn't be like that.
But yet here we are. Yeah Find out if uh, well, the other thing is like you remember that sand kinescent bit. I don't know if you ever saw it I know if you're saying kinescent is I'm not very familiar with his bits one of the greatest of all time But he had this bit about homosexual necrophiliacs were caught spending Paying a bunch of money to be alone with the freshest male corpse And it was actual true story that he read in the news, but his whole thing was like imagine you're on the slab Well, I'm dead now. I'm gonna be with jesus and hey, hey, what it would be like rocking back and forth on a stomach What is this it feels like some guys got his dick in my ass You mean life keeps fucking you in the ass even after you're dead it never ends it never ends oh You comedians are a unique bunch.
Let's you know I'm glad I'm glad there's somebody out there who can leave a story like that together and have a meaningful message But there are there have been cases of people getting like hot girls that are freshly dead and fucking them getting caught because humans are horrible The vastment I try to tell myself that the vast majority of humans are trying to do the best that they can but I never forget That there are people out there who are like that sure yeah, there's people out there that are gross They're just evil I'm I was reading about this guy who was an oncologist who got arrested because he was giving people chemotherapy that didn't really have cancer Because chemotherapy is uniquely profitable for doctors. Yeah, it's very profitable So he was telling people that they had cancer and they did not and he was giving them chemotherapy Which I have a friend who died recently and he went through the first round of chemotherapy went into remission and the chemotherapy was so bad Then when the cancer came back he decided to just die. It's not my mom dead. She had survived cervical cancer It metastasized into her lungs 10 years later got on the chemo, which I don't know what is in that stuff but they you know the platinum treatment whatever it may be and Had the realization that she was either gonna die from cancer or she was gonna die from the chemotherapy and she chose hospice Just because the ride on the chemo therapy was so horrible that she couldn't take it anymore My friend said that the pain of brushing his teeth was so intense Like the sores and his mouth from the chemo and that once cancer went into remission and then it came back And by the way this cancer came very quickly after vaccination was one of those Where you know you can get into that all day long if you want to really get into it deep conspiracy theory That's got some real facts to it But there's something called sv-40 and they found sv-40 in some of the mr and a vaccines sv-40 is semi in virus 40 and it's a virus that was contracted people got because they used kidney cells from monkeys in order to Cultivate these vaccines This is like known about for a long time and in certain batches They've tested positive for sv-40 which is like some just legacy material that they have that they make vaccines out of and Who's one of the lucky ones?
Suctioning. Oh, there's a young dude. You know who's in his 40s early 40s fit young guy Cancer came on like a fucking tidal wave. Just a freight train to load him down.
How much time did he have between diagnosed death? I got him connected with Gary Breca and Gary Breca helped him quite a bit And that's how he originally got through it and it got over it He was okay again And you know went into remission He said he's feeling pretty good and then man wasn't more than a year and a half two years later it came back with a vengeance and He was dead just six months later. Did it change how you view life your own life when it happens close to you? It's just shocking that healthy fit people get something like that So and it happens so quickly, you know, this is you know, like I said I'm my suspicions is it's connected to the vaccine and I don't think that everybody who got that mRNA vaccine is going to die of cancer I think it's a contamination issue that some of the batches had it and some of the batches didn't but and then some people react very differently to whatever Whatever's in it, but with him and it got him and it's not uncommon There's there's a shitload of ignored cases of what they're calling turbo cancer that people have gotten after the mRNA vaccine Like it's it's barely a conspiracy theory.
It's more likely an ignored inconvenient fact that these pharmaceutical drug companies are trying to ignore Do you think they were trying going upstream from that the pharmaceutical companies or people that were pushing to try to find what perhaps they thought would be the Fixed to the solution Do you think that they were doing the best that they could and just their enthusiasm how stripped their capabilities or they pushed stuff a little bit too early or Was it as deep of as a conspiracy that people think and they behind the scenes they're trying to reduce overall global population? I don't go that way I don't go to the reduce overall global population But I do understand why people would think that because there are there have been a bunch of people that are supposedly philanthropists That have talked about reducing overall population being a goal and that goal could be like Bill Gates is actually quoted saying that that goal could be achieved through vaccines Like what the fuck does that mean reducing global population through vaccines? How? Well, one way is the what is it DDP or DTP vaccine?
Diptaria something and percussis So they were caught in Africa one of the vaccines that they were using on women in Africa Turned out its tetanus right diptaria tetanus and percussis had hcg in it, which is an endocrine disruptor I don't know what's the exact specific description of it, but it was essentially doing was rendering these women infertile and so they were supposedly Vaccinating them for tetanus and these other diseases But really what it was doing was they were making these women infertile and they were experimenting on them and they were doing this in Africa You know, they they like to experiment in places where not a lot of people are watching and there's not a lot of infrastructure and not a lot of internet connection And they can you know get away with trying stuff on people. So this this concept of reducing population through vaccination There's some real world examples of people doing that, but you know, why I don't know I don't think that I think if you find out about how much money was generated during the vaccine pandemic during the covid pandemic That is the most likely scenario. They were just trying to make an enormous amount of money Do you remember that you and I did the first podcast after the lockdown in LA? Yeah And then I drove I drove with my wife down to San Diego and I don't think she had been because we got to San Diego about 17 minutes You know in the road and I remember saying to her if we come back, which we will don't expect this It was like a ghost town, but we were in LA the day that I locked down.
I remember texting like um Are we good? Yeah, YouTube says we're essential. Let's roll Yeah, that was what was crazy. There was essential businesses.
They were allowed to stay open restaurants weren't one of them Fucking insanely enough, but fast food places were Um, so there were certain places that were essential and media was essential so we were allowed to although we did get routed out The health department came to our um LA studio And uh, they made us put a bag of masks on the wall when you go in and also a note It shows like all the precautions that you have to take place like stand six feet apart And then people were also complaining that this table is not six feet wide and so we weren't observing the proper proper social distancing So I said, okay, well, why don't we just do this and you do that and we'll do a pocket? Oh, yeah, we're six feet. Yeah, we're good Here it's like it's it turns out that that was all made up is all horseshit You know, it's the who song we won't get fooled again, you know, I want to believe that they were trying to do the best of the day I said I want to believe yeah, I don't even want to believe that but then what do we do about it? We never listen again.
We know they're right the next time I don't think they will be Um, I don't think they're ever right with that kind of stuff Especially something that's not killing everybody as they said it was they were just gaslighting us all over television that people dropping like flies And they especially egregiously disgusting is gaslighting us about children dying from it Yeah, you know, and there's a lot of really fucking shitty human beings that were posting about this on twitter And I don't know if they were being paid to do it or if they're just ideologically captured But there was a lot of people on twitter talking about children dying from covid. It's a fucking dirty lie It was a very small amount of kids that died during the pandemic and those kids all of them had something wrong with them already All of them had comorbidities, which is like also a giant percentage of all the people that died period It's like what is the numbers like 75 of them something like that have four plus core comorbidities four comorbidities is crazy Yeah, it's like you're already fucked. That's means four things that are already killing you, you know, yeah Do you think we learned anything during that time period? Yeah, I think we learned that the pharmaceutical drug company has a lock on the media that is very disturbing Like the media did not report at all vaccine injuries.
They didn't report on it at all It was never discussed people were dropping dead. They were ignoring it and gaslighting And then we also found out the amount of money that these pharmaceutical drug companies pay to these corporations But whether it's Fox or NBC or CBS or whoever it is in advertising It's a huge part of their budget is advertising money And the way cali means explain it to me goes. It's not so that people find out about the drugs It's so that these news stations don't criticize the pharmaceutical drug Well, if they can truly add inventory and then the the checkbook behind that exactly Do you ever do pharmaceutical type reads for your show? No, no, I say no to them.
I only say yes to dick pills Dick pills. I'll say yes to like get hard to I'm down with that. We'll see I'm not anti-farmaceutical drug company But I am and the problem with corporations is they have an obligation to their shareholders to make the most amount of money possible And it's not the people that are making these things that the people that are making them these doctors and engineers and scientists All these wizards that are coming up with all these life-saving medications Then you get the money people and the money people are the ones that fuck everything up because the money people say you know We could charge a thousand dollars a pill for the stuff, you know There's certain medications that literally cost one thousand dollars a pill You know and they just try to make the most amount of money possible and prescribe it to most amount of people possible And then you get monsters like this cancer doctor that I was telling you that was giving chemotherapy to people that don't fucking have cancer So how do we break that system though hammers take that guy in a room take that guy in a room Just keep him alive slowly break him down with a hammer start with his toes Work your way up to his hips. I feel like it's so deeply entrenched in our political system as part of it as well too But the money transfer how do you break that it's hard and detach that AI God AI God has to come alive take over the system Now we're really getting into it.
So Ray I don't understand. I know what the word AI means I don't know AI God the one that created that Jesus meme that Trump just posted that's AI God Joe I told you he was a doctor. That's what they call them. That's what AI God calls Jesus Jesus is a doctor the mental gymnastics Involved and some of these people who are so ideologically captured.
Yeah is shocking to me It's weird. It's weird because there's no way there should be this kind of money in politics There's no way it'd be good for anybody if the people with all the money are controlling most of the things that happen It doesn't make any sense because they're just they're all sick. Anyway, they just want more if you're worth $200 billion and you're still trying to make more money. That's what you're trying to do with your time Well, you're sick.
There's something wrong with you. There's like what are you doing with that money? How is it possible that you could spend all that money? Isn't the answer for some people or the dollar figure that they're shooting for just more though?
Always my friend You know Brian Callan Brian Callan has a friend who's worth three billion dollars and he feels poor because his friend is worth 80 billion Imagine that imagine feeling insecure. You have three thousand million dollars and you feel secure. You feel poor. Yeah Because he's eating ramen at night.
Let me tell you about this one. Yeah, mac and cheese and ramen out of the microwave I feel poor when I'm around Elon yeah, but jokingly but also everybody on earth probably Right, but it's jokingly feel poor like I don't really feel bad for myself or insecure about the fact that he's got it What is he got? He's getting close to Tralean. He's like worth 800 billion on paper Yeah until California taxes get ahold of them.
They'd like to suck all that dry and give it to the homeless people Well, they're doing good. Their program would work if we gave them a little bit more money That's all they need. They just need that wealth tax if they could just siphon off some money from the billionaires That's the real problems. They don't have enough money.
Are you glad you left? Fuck yeah, fuck. Yeah, you've been here. What six years six years.
Yeah, they're almost six years They're in Montana from nine. No, I can't think of a reason that I'm going to leave Yeah, really can't it is amazing. Well, Montana's got so much going on for it. First of all, there's less people which is relaxing You feel better 1.1 million people in the state.
That's all of Austin. That's probably a subdivision in Austin Well, it's Austin is a million and then the surrounding area is another million We just had a first a net decrease in population Montana last year Yeah, because all those fucking people that came over because of Yellowstone they went through a couple of winters and COVID they're like, yeah This sucks. We're out or that remote work job is like hey time to come back to the old office Also, you try driving an electric car when it's fucking 30 below zero outside that bitches Oh, it says you got 200 miles guess what you got 30 there is one or five or I live It's not mine. I bet it's a rich guy.
He owns a type of restaurant. There you go Which I mean I don't know what level of wealth associated with it. We've got some money Yeah, honestly, it might be money laundering was what he specializes in it's hard to say I have a nail salon or 200 his umbrella is great when it's warm out. Yeah, but the battery life significantly Do you remember I think it was Chicago or Detroit?
There was a few years back there was a giant blizzard that hit and people with electric cars their cars died on the highway and they were really Fuck yeah, really fucked because look if you have full tank of gas and you're idling just idling on the highway That's pretty long time especially with diesel geez. Yeah, you'll get 24 hours of it Yeah, so you'll survive if you have a fucking electric car and you get stuck on the highway And it's just bumper to bumper forever and that thing is the only thing keeping you warm You better pray that someone lets you in their car. Yeah, because you're gonna die out there Feel free to death in your own fucking car. I like the concept of you know I drove one today there.
It's a time machine. I have a Tesla model s the highly don't you have like a highly modified one? Oh, yeah I was gonna say my time model s on the outside Yeah, well the speed is the same as the standard one the speed is exactly the same because they don't do anything to the engine because it already has 1100 horsepower Like whiten yours. Yes, it's the track is waggened.
It's got a much more robust suspension setup It's got carbon fiber fenders is a company called unplug performance and they take it and they just it just handles phenomenally and it breaks Are way better so it does that but the thing about it is the speed that's just insane like when you merge onto a highway It's a time machine. You just hit the gas like and it's no sound so it's And also you're going 90 miles an hour like that. It's nuts. We're in a different things Joe.
I'm gonna stick with my f one 50 I like those two. I have one of those. I have a raptor. I have a Hennessy Raptor.
I don't have that model I like a raptor but I like one with a thousand horse bow first off who doesn't I just don't like the price tag associated with a thousand horse. Yeah, it is a little pricey Yeah, but I was on the phone the other day because you know, it's got the speakerphone thing So I'm on the phone my friend Tommy and I'm driving and he goes, you know, what the fuck are you driving a dinosaur? You could hear the Supercharger wine. It's awesome But I get it a lot it's not for everybody But if you drive one just the ability of those things just the the insane capability the ability to go zero to 16 under two seconds It's just nuts.
Yeah for a four-door synam. You know how to drive though Some people probably are better off not getting into a car. They can do that Well, that's what's weird, right? So like if you want like say if you want to get a concealed carry license You have to go to a range and you have to demonstrate that you know how to use a gun correctly Are you talking about here in Texas?
Yeah, because Montana is a constitutional carry Let's constitutional carry here as well, but still can still carry you get reciprocity So if you have concealed carry you get reciprocity in Florida and Nevada So if you get concealed carry license in Texas, you can go to places where you know, they're only maybe they don't even have concealed They don't have constitutional carry, but they recognize Texas concealed carry because of the additional. Yeah training. Yeah, exactly But the point is like you have to show that you know how to use it You can go buy a Corvette and you don't have to show anything which is crazy Well, you have to show a likelihood that you're able to pay for it That's it. That's it Yeah, so you can get like a Corvette ZR one which is also a 1100 horsepower and fucking bonkers a bonkers fast and sanely engineered car You don't have to show that you know to drive at all.
Yeah, you just have a driver's license So you drive into the nearest telephone pole sideways I mean, there's plenty of plenty of videos of that. Yeah, a friend my friend Whitney sent me a video of a street takeover in Los Angeles this Saturday night where they took over some street and Gunshots and people just they stop they cut off the entire street so no one can go anywhere People surround these cars and the cars drive around in circles. Yeah, and then someone started shooting at people Awesome. What a classic pairing.
Yeah, good times. It's good. Have rules. Yeah, they're not doing that about Tana.
Exactly Exactly. You have to have an enormous amount of people in order for things to get that chaotic with a very small percentage of humans Were there cops there for that or they just didn't want to get in the mix? They didn't show up until after, you know The cops showed up when you know people start shooting Yeah, that's generally when they're getting security cameras But the thing is Los Angeles. They don't fucking put you in jail for anything.
They let you write out There's no cash bail. They're letting people out for all kinds of crimes Yeah I was listening to a podcast where I was a former gang member They were saying he's leaving Los Angeles because they're letting 70,000 people out of prison It's like it's gonna get too dangerous. So it was too dangerous for the gang member There's the answers to some tests right there. Maybe pay attention Yeah, you wonder you gotta wonder like what are they trying to do with California where everything seems to go in the wrong direction Like if you if you look at the vaccine thing like do you think they're really trying to lower population?
Is that what they're trying to do like kill off a percent? What are they trying to do with California? Are they really trying to destroy the state because if I was trying to destroy state That's how I would do it. I let everybody out of jail I'd regulate the fuck out of everything so nothing can get done.
You know, you can't buy these in California Why these are Alps because they're flavored. This is wintergreen. Shout out to Tucker Carlson This is his brand. I like these.
He's very delicious. We by the way, I show these to Daniel Cormier He goes, what'd you get those? And I go in Texas you go buy them because you know you can't buy them in California And he goes I get them and I bring them around all these dads like I'm a dealer Like what'd you get that because they won't let you have flavored nicotine pouches It's illegal in California. It's very safe They're trying to turn you into just a little baby that needs everything from the government everything Everything we were at that launch party somehow I got an invitation to be there So we go to Tennessee.
Tucker stands on the chair and talks about Alpino I stood on a chair. Yeah, because it was just like it was in Dave Ramsey's barn And again, like I'm so far not in the social circle of this And so we're thinking she's just out on someone's shoulders. That would be even better He's pretty big So you're gonna need somebody who like his squad once or twice in their life So we listened to him talk and they had a little like on the other room Some huge fireplace was just like a charcuterie table about this size So I'm getting some cheese and then I turned around like hello milk gets in and I just fucking went and sat in the corner I was so uncomfortable in that environment because Mel was there Mel there was a lot of people there I just you know you sat down and talk with him you exist in a different orbit that I do I exist in an orbit of 1.1 million total people that I don't see every day in the state In the state so like I interact with the people I went to I was not prepared to have a cheese stick and turn around and see the dude from lethal weapons standing there Like hi, I gotta get out of here. By the way, if you talk to him He's he is one of the most normal easy to talk to movie stars you will ever meet Yeah, there's no errors about him He's very easy to talk to I just don't do good in social situations like that where like everybody was relatively recognizable I just I could sit in the corner and hang out with my wife and eat charcuterie I get it.
I get it I don't like those things either believe it or not It's well I have I have been do you remember the event you did at performance archery in San Diego? Oh, yeah, yeah, I didn't realize I watched you trying to make your way to the bathroom and it took you about 30 minutes to go 20 feet And I don't know how you deal with that I don't that's I mean one I know you well enough outside of that like you're a genuinely nice person You will give people the time like because you're appreciative right of the fact that they want to meet you like I totally get that But also sometimes you have to piss. Yeah, I mean I don't know how any of those people or maybe you don't operate in like in a sense an air quotes of normalcy It's not normal, but the way I think of it is like They just like me It's way better than if they hated me way better than if you go into the bathroom Everyone wants to kick your ass like they're I'm going to the bathroom They just want to say hi and for them. It's a very unique moment So I try to reset every time I see a new person and I try to treat them as if it's like this is a complete for them It's a unique experience they get to meet and I never believe that it I am unique You know don't believe the hype and don't think you are special but always appreciate the fact that someone else does and so take the time to say hi And I can't you have these are hard because I can't like sometimes I'm going through the crowd and I have to like sometimes I leave my commentary seat and then I have to piss and then I have to run back Yeah, and then everybody's trying to get a picture while you're you know like you're literally going through a crowd of you You're in between bouncing.
Yeah, yeah, and so I got my high five people but they're like I can't I can't I can't I can't stop because if I stop then they'll all swarm and I can't do that I have to keep moving so I that bothers me that I say I can't stop even when I'm leaving the venue like I wish I can't I can't I have to keep moving. I'm sorry. I appreciate you, but I can't stop because if I stop I'll never get out of here That was a good one. Uh, your seat was good.
You had a good seat I watched the fight from the back of a projection onto one of the things up in one of the you didn't get tickets for me I never get asked you for a ticket. I was just fucking let me know when you want to go Well, no actually I don't want to go because okay, I missed listening to you guys talk I didn't realize so we were sitting there like I heard gagey get flatline before we saw it I'm like holy cow you want to talk about not let the punch about the reaction to that right? Oh my god insane But there was so many people and we were there with like jocko and origin and and there had some people that were down there But we ended up leaning on watching from like actually got to see it But we both said the same thing it's way better on the couch or I want to pair headsets like this so I can yes because now Like maybe honest before I started training you get to I was like you fucking stand him up right now Those guys are just As a jiu-jitsu black belt aren't you embarrassed? No, I'm like you all that guy in that position you don't ever get them off the cage and you never get them off the ground I'm with you.
I I've been preaching that from the beginning of the fucking I would have been the dude with like the redneck guzzler Quizlight half-covered and I'm like I'm standing up because it's like and I'm like no no no never especially when they're sweaty Oh my god guys dominating him you stay right there exactly so hard to get something to the ground It's so hard to hold them down if they're good the experience though from not good I'm gonna say this I would rather pay for the paramount than listen or for the pay-per-view than the current paramount experience Sorry, Dana, but the commercials suck. Yeah, I'm not a fan of commercials. That's why I like you too premium I don't want commercials. Yeah, I'll pay for the pay-per-view.
They should offer a paramount premium like where you get no commercials Like you should get a different experience because you've been some streaming issues as well too and I know that yeah, it's well It could also be I'm on tana internet. Listen, we have electricity. We have running water We I've actually seen solar panels up in Montana. They don't work great for nine months out of here But you get the Starlink.
Yeah, that's the shit. I was actually one of the first people to get it in Montana. It works fantastic I have the little one that's like a book. Yeah, it's amazing.
It's fucking great. You just take it We took it to Utah. We're streaming like stuff while we're in the cabins. It was awesome.
It's gonna life-changing Oh, it's great. I need some time with people. But then other times like I don't leave that in truck because otherwise maybe I'm just gonna enjoy it That's true, but you know the thing about elk hunting is you're so tired by the end of the day that you're not gonna sit there looking at your phone anyway But it's nice to be able to FaceTime home and say hi to people and for sure But I do like the fact that when you're out there in the woods, it doesn't work at all. Yeah Yeah, that is uh gotta hate hunting sometimes like last year.
Did you strike out last year? Oh, no even worse. We did an elk Oh, no, I think that's actually oh, yeah, that's with a rifle Yeah, well, I tell people that I am the Navy's still sniper with the most confirmed misses I can just smash that trigger back close your eyes hold your breath let it gray out a little bit and then really just jerk it Oh, that's the worst feeling when you know you could have done it so much better if you just had taken a little bit more time It would have been hard for me to do it worse Joe if I'm People how could you possibly miss because I'm a idiot sometimes and I'm just God as I was pulling on the trigger I was watching it just drift back towards the beginning of the gods and instead of just stopping Just get a little bit more and then never saw the thing look forward for two and a half days Is there a worse feeling in the world than wounding an animal? No, it's not it's not it's also like a miss like that you have to wait a year to get another chance You have a whole another year to sit about and think about that miss before you get back to hunting again This year I think I might be able to go back to archery because although they call jujitsu the gentle art I get picked up sometimes.
Oh, bro. I was I was rifling that year I was training with a 15-year-old young man at the end of a day of training with some savage black belts Totally and you know how when you say we first I like hey you need to relax Well, I also found that you can relax too much. I was laying on my side letting work on an arm bar I got a hold of my arm I was gonna work on an escape and as my arm was coming up over my head I heard my shoulder cavitate it was like and of course on my drawing arm for my boat And we were a couple months away from hunting season felt a go partial terror the pack completely black and blue The gentle art there's nothing gentle about jujitsu. Yeah, it's ridiculous to call it I don't know what psychopath called it the gentle art.
I was I've been hurt more time Everybody I know that's done jujitsu as long as I have has like either artificial discs in your back neck Or has had multiple knee surgeries. That's me. I've had three or has had torn shoulders where they had to get reconstructed or blown out elbows You still trained? No, I haven't a while.
I want to though Yeah, I've written a little bit of training about a year ago with Gabe Tuttle and I was getting back into it But I'd still struggle with this one knee. I have one knee that keeps fucking up on me man For you it would be very hard to find the appropriate training partner Yes, but you're never going to a group class again and getting there at open mat people would come for your head because they're assholes Yeah, but I was dead. That's what I always did whenever I always trained I didn't just like only train with like one guy that like stuck with all the time. I always went to classes Yeah, because I think that's the only way to really be good.
I don't think there's a real way to Train with one person that's like taking it easy on you and really achieve a high level I think you have to go in there with people that are gonna tap you and you have to go in there with people that are trying to tap you you know and You know if you're good and if you're strong you could avoid a lot of shit But you know you get in there with some fucking 25-year-old wrestler who weighs 210 pounds and bill like a superhero It's a move at a speed that your joints and ligaments can't move at I can't keep up with this. This is and if I do keep up I'm gonna blow something out since I found it at 41 I don't think we should teach it to anybody under 30 because it deeply offends me when children I'm out of the children's class and they've been training like six times longer than I'm like what Like their movement patterns were developed on the mat. I'm like I know we're using the same alphabet We are not put together the same words Well, I knew that from striking because I knew that from kicking I was like I started martial arts before my body had matured and my body matured becoming very flexible and very fast And so as I got thicker I'd maintain that speed and everything but I was like I don't know if you could ever get as good as I got if you didn't start when I started I don't know if it's possible and I didn't start your jiu-jitsu until I was 30 and when I started doing jiu-jitsu I remember thinking god. I wish I did this when I was a kid Because I see some kids where they're fucking scrambles and their transitions like built into their neurons Where they're just like everything is so fast and so kinetic and they're just moving and flowing like fuck I could have started in like 97 But the few people who were doing were so enthusiastic and just nauseated Like it's like veganism.
Yeah, like they turn you make you want to eat me come roll with us I'm like, I don't know what you guys are doing. It's very questionably gay at best coming outside I don't like how much you like it because you like it that much. I'm out and I look back. I'm like, oh I started in 96.
Yeah, not me. I guess I took yeah, it was 95 or 96 It was right after UFC 2 came out on video So UFC 2 was 93 was a UFC I found out about UFC in like I didn't find out about it 93 I found about a year later and it wasn't available Now UFC 1 was not available on VHS. I had to get UFC 2 and I found out about it from somebody at the kickbox engine that I was going to He was like, you gotta see this and I was like, what is this? I was like, oh my god They did it because it was always this thing when I was a martial artist when I was young like what's better judo karate And no one knew and then there was like the Jean-Cla van Damme, Kumite movies where you'll get meat and all the styles come together And you find out what's best when I first saw UFC 2 I was like, oh my god, they did it and then I was like, oh my god I don't know that this one guy's killing everybody a lot of people that were saying that in those Oh my god, so then what number UFC did you first commentate at?
UFC 12? Damn dude, that's pretty quick. Well, they probably were doing less frequently as well That's a pretty quick flash of bang. Yeah, we've seen it on a VHS.
That was 97 So by 97, I guess I was 30 Yeah, I guess I was 30 somewhere around there. So that was the first UFC that I was already training at that time I was training at Carlson Gracie's with Vitor Belfer. Those Vitor Belfer was there. Murilabusa Monte was there Like it was amazing just stumbled upon that place.
I actually went to Hickson's first But I was so ignorant. I thought Carlson Gracie Hicks and Gracie I thought it was the same and Hickson was further away and Carlson's was closer I was like oh, I found a closer Gracie jujitsu. I'll go here And then it was also the time where extreme fighting was out Which was John Paretti who was one of the commentators for the early UFC was now doing this and it was really good Like Mario's parry was fighting Igor's anovia and these guys a lot of these guys were from Carlson Gracie So I saw the Carlson Gracie the two Bulldog logos, which is fucking dope And then I found out that it was on Hawthorne Street in LA which is like really close to the comedy store I was like, oh, this is perfect because I was living in North Hollywood I was just driving there was much closer. Yeah, there's much closer But I just I got there at literally the perfect time because it was right before Vitor was making his UFC debut Which was USC 12 which I commitated at so I was literally training at the same school as Vitor's I knew what to expect.
I'm like these guys don't know what the fuck this guy's doing Like this is this because everybody thought he was just a jujitsu guy. Yeah, and meanwhile he had lightning hands And you know it was a slimmer Vitor. He was only like 200 pounds back then and just moved like a fucking panther And I got to see this sport just sort of emerging where really it was becoming something completely different Like at first it was just a bunch of people that didn't know anything and you know there was or they didn't know anything about mixed martial arts They either know judo or then a karate and then there was hoist and hoist is just tapping everybody and everybody's like oh my god Jujitsu is the way and then when I went to Carlson's I was like jujitsu is kind of the way But look at this guy like you got to take that guy to the ground and that guy's hands are like a fucking professional boxers This is crazy. Yeah, jujitsu is awesome.
It's not complete No, you can have a nice black belt and end up in an ambulance if you can't get through a striking range Well, not only that there's a lot of guys that were really reliant upon the key back then unfortunately Because this is all you got to realize this is all before Abu Dhabi, right So this is uh before Abu Dhabi combat club came out which was an amazing organization that paid real money to grapplers to compete But made them compete without a ghee which was like for a lot of guys they didn't know what to do They're so used to grabbing sleeves and grabbing collars and grabbing pants And the one guy who had figured it out was my eventual instructor Jean-Jacques Machado because Jean-Jacques was born with essentially one hand His left hand is just a thumb. He just has a thumb He had a birth defect and because of that his game was all over hooks and under hooks and gable grips Which was he wasn't relying on collars and all this other stuff So his game was very different He just dominated in Abu Dhabi and that opened up the door to Eddie Bravo So Eddie Bravo he learned a lot of his techniques from Jean-Jacques as well And a lot of his style was based around Jean-Jacques principles, which is don't rely on the ghee because you don't always have the ghee It's a good tool to use if you have it if you're fighting a guy's got a winner coat on It's awesome Like the last thing you want to do is fight a judo guy if you're wearing a winter coat So not optimal for how your head's gonna feel and it's the concrete And you ain't gonna be able to do shit to stop that I asked you really on I think we had linked up when I was actually it was right at the beginning of covid I was a white belt and I asked you how you train and manage grip stuff and you gave me a piece of advice That I still have I still utilize and you said whether you have a gheon or don't have a gheon Just focus on taking no ghee grips. Yes, I'm a bitch Yeah, that's what I always did Yeah, the only ghee technique that I really love is a clock choke You know when you get a deep grip on the collar and you funnel that left arm underneath and spin Oh my god, that's instant death that I prefer the cross collar That's great too available for more areas. Oh for sure.
Just pop that head right off just cross collars nasty There's a lot of great great ghee techniques that are super effective if someone's wearing clothes I mean you'd be amazed at how how durable t-shirts are You know, you could really choke the fuck out of someone with a t-shirt So henner has a video where he'll get the first hand in he's got him in close guard He reaches over and he grabs the bottom of the shirt pulls it all the way up and then wraps that around Yeah, that's got to feel like a good rock. Yeah, just horrible. Yeah horrible Especially if they're wearing like a strong shirt like a flannel shirt or something like that something to really grab Yeah, but but that was John jock style his style was use no ghee grips Even with the ghee so for me it made me concentrate more on defense because you couldn't pull out of things as easily But I never felt lost going into no ghee So I would go back and forth all the time So, you know, I got my black belt from eddy first but I got my black belt from john jock right after that because I was training at both places That was also a beautiful thing about eddy being john jock student and then having a very close relationship It never felt like you were a trader that you left schools because I never really left schools I trained at both places. I always trained at john jocks and I always trained at eddy's you weren't a krianch Yeah, I was that what they call it.
Yeah, so it was that was very nice that they had that amazing relationship where there was no static at all It was like I would go to see john jock. I'd go train there a couple days a week. I trained eddy's a couple days a week It was awesome. You have I had a time machine if my younger self would listen to me, which I don't think I would I would say two things one by bitcoin obviously And two maybe get a digi a little bit earlier Yeah, but I think you what you did was pretty impressive because you you got through it very quickly Like I remember you first started training and you know, you got a black belt in like what four years five years five and a half That's amazing.
That's quick. Well, I think it depends on how you view the time So I think the standard 10 year Windows usually somebody trains about an hour a day or two hours a day twice a week I had the ability where I was living I could train 10 times a week I once you write so the math still math at the end of the day, right? But that's still very hard on the body at four years old. It's very hard on the body Vitamin I also known as ibuprofen comes into the training model that shit's terrible for you Yeah, but it makes you feel better so bad for you though.
Also after you've got I will say this one thing about my previous job is it teaches you how to learn it rewards your ability to Be coachable be coachable and people ask me, you know, how do how can you be a good student? But just in general like listen, how about this do what your instructor says and nothing more, right? If they say put your hand here and you ask him do you mean always put it there and they say yes just put your hand there? Yeah, if you want to and I do a people there's the internet's an amazing thing, right?
There's a bunch of ability to go out and look for techniques and stuff But I can't think of anything more disrespectful to a coach to be told something and then you are offering them something that you saw on Instagram While they're trying to teach you like that's how that relationship is gonna end up breaking If you really want to accelerate your learning Folk and honor your coach actually focus on what they are trying to tell you to do do only that and know more until you have that master And then you can move on top of that. Absolutely. That's great advice Yeah, you have to just listen you have to listen and never question and then if you unless you have a bad coach and then just get a good coach That's a solution to that which in this era you have choices. You're starting in there weren't as many choices, right?
Yeah, well, I realized that when I went to John Jacques place that there's levels in teaching and you know obviously Hickson's school was very high level And Carlson's was too but Carlson's went under pretty quickly. They weren't around that long But then when I went to John Jacques, I was like, okay, this is a completely different level like John Jacques is so detail oriented I was also very lucky that I started doing type one though when I was a child so that I always listened You know and the the traditional martial arts environment There's no room for questioning. They don't allow any quick And I was also very lucky that the school that I started that was one of the best schools in the world I just got lucky. I found this this J.
Hunt, Tacklan, Doug J. Hunt, Kim, Tacklan, no institute in Boston Just happened to have multiple national champions like really elite competitors and so I never questioned I always did that and I never did anything half-assed I always did exactly that's how you develop the right technique. Yeah, you have to just how you accelerate learning too Because again people ask me about my old job like well, how do you how do you do all this stuff that you do? Well, you learned a piece of the time and honestly it's the mastery of fundamentals even at that I think what I determined the most when my coach gave me my black belt was that I don't know a goddamn thing about jujitsu And I can't keep up with all the flashy sporty stuff, but the better fundamentals get the better you can tolerate a lot of that stuff It's just that the mastery of the fundamentals is just so essential Well, some of the elite guys of all time never did any of the flashy stuff like Hixen Hixen was just the fundamentals honed to a razor sharp edge You don't see Hixen doing some stuff you're like oh, I've never seen that before It's all triangles, arm bars, we're gonna get choked and just done to perfection Done in a way that black belts can't stop it I've heard stories of him lining black belts up telling them what he is going to catch them with Yep And then having like 10 of them watch him catch everybody before them with the same thing and then having absolutely no ability to stop it Yep, that's what I'm talking about.
Yeah, well that's Gordon Ryan too Gordon Ryan one of the things that Gordon did I was there when he did it one of the times he did it He did it multiple times He would write down on a piece of paper how he was gonna submit his opponent and seal it in an envelope and before the match started He would walk over the commentators and say open this one it's over And then you know you would see him catch somebody in a triangle And then he would open up the envelope and show the triangle and he had multiple opportunities to catch someone in different things No, no, no, see I could do that too, but it would be what I'm gonna get caught with Here's the most likely thing that I'm gonna mess up and get caught with But that's the thing about starting when you're 40 versus starting when you're 12 or whatever it is It's like you're only going you're only going to be able to get to a certain height, you know Well, also I recognize that I'm an aggressive hobbyist I have I've competed twice only because my wife was coaching it tournaments I was like well I'll go spend time with you so here we are I think once I was a white belt and once I was a purple belt like that's it I don't care about the competition shockingly enough I'm not looking to have a violent confrontation with anyone ever totally Totally have filled my cup up with that one probably has spilled over a little bit from time to time like I do it because I really like the community I like the fact you can't master it So you can keep your brain young with your body young or young as young as possible And yeah, it's just fun It's really it's so addictive which is what to me was a problem with injuries was that I would always find I'd go I'll work around it and I just go in with injuries and then they get aggravated to the point where You know, I remember one time my fingers were getting numb Because my neck was so fucked up that my fingers were numb and then I'm like, okay, I gotta do something Was this from you head and arm-shocking people? It was a lot of that. Yep. I remember you telling me your affinity's like you've really got to just drive your head It's also not tapping not not tapping to certain neck cranks and different things that fuck your neck up Neck cranks are very real.
Yeah, I also didn't work my neck enough back then. I didn't have an iron neck at that machine Oh, yeah, I fucking love that. Is it forward and back and turn or all this? Yeah, so it's a halo You sit on your chest you pump it up like the rebock pump And then the chin strap you tighten that bitch down and you can adjust the tension that was required to spin it And it has this giant bungee cord on it And so the bungee cord is like 50 pounds of resistance so you back up with the bungee cord so it's like fully taught and then you go like I Swear by that thing.
All right, it keeps you next strongest fuck and I don't have any neck problems anymore And I had a lot of fucking neck problems So the thing that saved me though was regenikine Which is like this PRP platelet rich plasma to the next level this this treatment that a lot of guys were having to go to Germany to get In the early days they would go like I remember Kobe Bryant went to Germany I think Peyton Manning went a bunch of guys had to go to Germany to get this treatment And it's like they take your blood and through some process I forget exactly how they do it and makes this fluid that is like this radically Inflammation fighting fluid and they injected it into my neck and I cured my bulging discs And all my madness went away and I got to start training again once I got back But again, I didn't have a fucking iron neck back then if I had that machine back then I think I could have avoided a lot of the problems Yeah, like a lot of problems that people have with lower backs I firmly believe it's a lack of building tissue and strength and mobility around your lower back And I do a lot of lower back exercises too I do a lot of rotation exercises and a lot of like reverse hypers like that machine that machine is awesome Oh, that's I did that today That fucking keeps your back so strong and healthy and it decompresses at the same time that it strengthens And you know, so many guys just go into the class They just that's their workout. They're only workout is training and those guys are always hurt They're always getting hurt. I think strength training and mobility training is essential if you want to have longevity and jujitsu I really think that I would agree Yeah, for the first couple years it was a workout in and of itself and I finally have started I think I'm done with barbells just because I've never seen a linear object equally loaded in real life outside of a gym So there's some things with barbells though like Olympic style stuff like cleans They're very beneficial too. You can searchers though.
Zirchers are only available with a barbell You know, I think zirchers are very very important. I think that's a big one I'm willing to say Jefferson squats. There's a bunch of different stuff things But the searchers in particular are really good for grappling Yeah, you know because you've got that barbell that you're holding inside the quirk of your elbow can choose the sandbag You could yeah, you definitely could yeah, there's like I love um goblet squats Yeah, goblet squats are phenomenal for you. Especially on a slant board You know when you're holding like a 90 pound kettlebell and you're doing those deep squats where it's knees over toes on a slant board and you're Your whole core is just so activating what you're hurt.
I mean that's phenomenal for just Strengthen stability that I agree. I think kettlebells are the best I think it's the best also because there's so many different things you can do with them in terms of there's a rotation exercises I do where I like pick it down on this side and I swing and clean it and press it on that side Let it swing down and I do like those things where you lie on your back with your you know On your with your butt with your legs up in the air and you do those twists where you take the kettlebell and you get each side You can absolutely demolish yourself with a single kettlebell. Yeah, which is kind of awesome Especially like where I live to traveling with a truck like okay. Yeah, put one of these bad boys in there 100% all the excuses are going I had a bowling bag that I would carry a 50 pound kettlebell with me on the road Just put in a bowling bag because it fits in a bowling ball bag All right, people are gonna look at you a little awkwardly, but I'm here for it But if you have a 50 pound weight limit if you check in luggage Like there you go whatever works for you, man I appreciate the enthusiasm for working out on the road well back then the thing was you'd never find them in a gym And now they're in most it's tough not to find them down at gym.
Yeah, hotel gyms is like why do you have a 1.5 kilo kettlebell? Like is this is for children like fuck a little micro ones like some people like to pretend they're working out Sometimes that's me just go through the motions. Yeah, yeah, they're good for wrists to risk curls You know you take a kettlebell and you like reverse it Or you have it this way and you do these like put your forearms on a bench Oh, yeah And you hold the handle in your hands and you just let your risk curls like because it puts you in this like weird angle It really strengthens your forearms and your wrists There's so many things to get to with those things that things that aren't sexy like Turkish get-ups Phenomenal for you so good for stability and core just overall body control. Yeah, I need it now Croaching towards 50 still enjoying jujitsu.
Yeah, yeah, you need a little bit. Do you definitely need something? You need some are you taking any peptides or any of that stuff? I played around the peptides finally two years ago I got my endocrine system checked my hormones check whoo man?
That was a nice little it was like a little gauge that had red zone yellow green upon first looking at this chart I assumed that my life was gonna end in about 36 hours. What was your number? Oh fuck to something. Oh, Jesus I had never had it checked.
That's crazy. I didn't feel awesome and it but I also There are people who played around with an immense amount of performance enhancing materials in my previous job Which live your life however you want to just understand maybe the long-term tail and the consequences that you want to make Right. I wanted to avoid that for as long as possible because as you know once you kind of go on that train It's a lifelong journey. Yeah, but once I finally saw that that piece of paper.
I'm like, oh boy I bet you could attribute that to the volume of your training That's also part of the problem is if you're training 10 times a week You're probably in a constant state of overtraining. Oh for sure. Yeah, yeah, that probably for the vast majority of my life That's been the state that I operated in if I'm being honest I mean the answer was always just more like if you want to get better do more right you want to be stronger go harder go harder and do more Like okay, it took me back. So I then I started taking a TRT about two years ago I am just now finally slowly dialing it into where I feel a difference recovery is better But also I mean I try to set realistic expectations for who I am and what I'm trying to do Like I just I want to have the healthiest life span that I can Yes, I'd rather live to 80 and be doing awesome stuff 80 than live to 90 and spend the last 10 years eating jello in a nursing home Right, so that's what I'm going for you could do as long as you're smart with your training And you don't get like catastrophic injuries You could be very physically fit deep deep in your 60s and 70s That's the goal and I just and that's I mean, I don't know Nobody knows how much time we have you know how much how long your lap is gonna be My goal is just to fill it up with awesome experiences between here and whenever that is here here to stay on that fucking flying squirrel suit You know cam just said the same thing to me and enough people keep saying that I'm gonna take a thing back on just to piss you guys off But kind of amazing that you're still here You've done that so many times me you broke the world record at one point in time.
I did yes That was how many miles was that you flew? It's like 18.2 something like that with a flying squirrel suit To me it was very reasonable, you know the things that I do that I think are reasonable oftentimes in my life people will pull me Inside the bill I came in with the fuck yeah, that doesn't seem at all reasonable Well, you're only seeing that one video I had been skydiving for like 16 years at that point, you know You know something like when I would go over to I remember I'd go over to Switzerland and I would do a Flight in the wingsuit and get you know you're like your plane tag with your shadow on a sticklet I would send it to you and one day you were like I just had to throw my phone across the room watching this because it was giving you anxiety So then I'm like clearly I'm sending you more of these videos for sure, right? Because now I got the hooky I drew my phone into a couch like fuck this What are you doing Andy? But that was like one of many jumps in this like the months of training leading up to that I'm not gonna sit here and say it's safe I do think you can do it as safely as possible and I don't have a higher risk threshold than other people do I spend an immense amount of time and everything that I do looking at the risk and trying to manage it analyze it Mitigated as much as possible and then you look at what's left to me that activity Provided me enough enrichment in my life that it was worth it.
I haven't put the suit on in Five or six years, but I swear God if I get one more person telling me not to do it I'm gonna go back and just start sending you videos again All right, well, I promise I won't be that guy Tells you that now but honestly at this point again talking about risk It's not worth it I don't live in a place where I can stay because your currency in that suit comes from the sky I've been world where you can jump it multiple times a day in the base jumping world. There's no else emitter You're just camera one camera, too Face first, so yeah, you missed judge a tree or clip on his buck though. What's happening? I don't know how to describe what it feels like doing 120 miles an hour face first a few feet off the ground Probably like this.
What is it? What's the closest? Probably not intentionally the closest was probably somewhere right around the three-foot range 120 miles an hour So pretty first like one two like that. Yeah, Jesus dude.
Yeah, that's insane You don't do that for very long and and there are and if you do like some of those jumps and Switzerland like you would hike for hours And there's there's this one jump. It's actually where ones I sent you from you just it's insane You're just looking out into like this Picture storybook of like where that kabool giant or whatever he was with liver like you just candor Candor chai, which I think it's real. I hope it is really I deeply it's such a deep part of me hopes that it's real But you're looking out at that as you're zipping up your ridiculous and island suit and checking to make sure everything is there Then you just rock forward and at some point you rock to a place where you can't go back the other direction And you send it in the first few seconds because you have no airspeed the suit doesn't fly so you're just falling and then it takes off And it's just these right hand turns and right hand turns and there are small sections where the angle is correct And you can kind of connect with the train and then get away from it and connect The people who are able to survive it are not the ones that are flying three feet off the ground all the time It's very very short periods of time on jumps that they have practiced many many times and they slowly incrementally worked their way down there Because again mistaken that environment is your impact and object headfirst at 120 I remember the video that scared me the most was a bridge where the guy was trying to fly through you know the video Yeah, I do. Oh, yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh I love this little grass field over here I had turns to the right because there was two dudes up here.
I was looking at them. God. That is beautiful Oh, I'm telling you it's insane. This is the field of joy Wow, that's the shadow in the lower right, but that's probably I don't know that's probably 10 feet off.
God. That is fucking pretty. Yeah That has got to be nuts. I mean there's not a ride at Disneyland that can fuck with this.
Oh, absolutely not Wow Have you ever done one of those ones where you strap a jetpack? No, but I like where your head's at. Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about Um, remember there was a guy that was like getting in trouble because they kept finding this guy flying a Wing suit. He was flying a jetpack wing suit and they were trying to like locate the guy who's doing it.
Yeah Yeah, he was getting like they were looking for him because he was they kept spotting him Where was that Jamie? Do you remember we talked about it on the show once? I feel like this is like a combination of stories No, no secret jetpack man. Yeah, some guy had a jetpack and he was flying around where he wouldn't wasn't supposed to be So these guys were into buy.
Unfortunately, uh, that's nuts But that one's not so that's actual wing suit Like a wing and they got to the place where they could take this off from standing on the ground Joe Unfortunately, one of the innovators in that ended up dying There's a there's an altitude and air speed where if you have an issue you're not gonna be able to deploy your parachute to save you and he had an issue with that Geez, but yeah, who would have guys up there with a plane to get that again? Yeah, that is insane. Would you ever do that? I don't say would I I I mean there's a time in a place Where I'll do a lot of things because I would understand what you that I bet you would Now does that happen?
Does that guy have a engine on that thing? Yeah, there's a little micro jet engines. You can see True. That's a good.
That's a good question. Like I said, they had got to a place where they could stay in so that wing is kind of conforms around their Skydiving parachute. I think there's four little jet engines. They got to a place where they were standing Cracking those things off and going vertical and then transition to the plate Yes, and then I think landing them too.
Oh Yeah landing them with the engine somehow. I mean, did they rotate? I mean they are wearing a parachute Maybe I might be misspeaking on that but I know that they were taking off from a no airspeed standing there and just do That's nuts. Well, that's also like I said how one of the innovators died It was in that phase like a low altitude low airspeed phase where nothing's really gonna remember I did morning risk What is it?
Oh, yeah, the jetpack racers. Oh, yeah, that's crazy. I've seen that too Right? That's it kind of looks fake.
No, those are real for sure. They actually have a there's a league Jamie of guys who race these things That's a good question Add to cart on Amazon for sure. How fast do you think these guys are going? Well, and it just land.
Oh, that's wild. It's like a word. Oh, yeah, I'm talking shoulder strength to do that I mean, I love how they're trying to show like this has a like incredible military application. Like let's take it easy.
Okay, just Super quiet. Is there some support for your shoulders and there? It's not like you're doing a constant I don't well, I think that the jetpack the so the on his backpack I believe that's putting some thrust out to the hands are as well So it's a combination of the three because like how long can you hold a dip position? I don't know.
Yes. So here's the league. Look at these crazy. Yeah, the backpack itself Oh, getting fancy.
Oh, that's crazy. But the ground's pushing back up on you on the situation. You know, I'm doing a dip That's true. That's true.
Yeah, that's true I feel like the back is doing the majority of it like the Ironman little hand things I feel like that's just the stabilization heavy. Oh, so the backpack is doing the most of it and I think so steering you a little I think I have exactly zero seconds in one of these things. So this is me talking to my ass If there was enough lives if you had multiple lives, I would do a lot of different things That looks so fun. It does.
Jamie Parachute. Oh, so there's no parachute. That's why you want to stay five feet off the ground. Look at this Yeah, this is just flying to the top of this fucking cliff with that thing.
Oh, that's bonkers For sure. This is like to say people or something. No, it's for fun I agree with Joe more on that one. What do you think like the how much time do you get in those two run on a fuel?
I don't know. I'm a time enough to fill a motivational video like this To me, I'd be like the industry's I would be reverse engineering like where is this in my Amazon cart? How do I possibly make enough money to have these cents in my house immediately? What do you think one of those costs?
My guess would be six figures So professional Yeah, oh click on that bitch. Let's go. Suit up. Yeah, motherfucker.
Hold on. What can I get my credit card? Let's let's guess let's guess. Uh A hundred grand.
I'm gonna say six figures. Oh, they fooled us. You sons of bitches. Oh clothes.
You can only buy clothes You can't buy the thing on the way. Why do you buy the fucking thing? Well, how much does the thing cost somebody must be able to buy it? 2,400 pounds for an experience today.
So that's just a fly at a thousand horsepower a 1050 horsepower gravity jet suit So it's the same horsepower as a ZR1 Corvette It's on your back. Yeah, first off take that safety line off. Let's let people that guy need a safety line. Look at this neck Like yeah, let's just let's search the price.
So you think six figures. I would probably say that's probably accurate Especially when I saw it as a thousand horsepower. Here's a better question. Are you willing to spend six figures to acquire one of those?
I'm gonna go in the hard. Yes category for myself I'm not saying I got six figures laying around. I'm saying I will start a new career in the it's oh no, that's not a good face game It is in the six Yeah, roughly that good one six hundred thousand dollars. That's 440.
Whoa is that a US dollar? Like a yes, no, I'm a configuration and stuff. Okay. What if you get it like maxed?
Well, it does not give me options. I just kind of search around. I think we're just gonna get closer to the seven figure number if we do that Probably don't advertise how much it costs. Does it say how long you can stay in the air in that thing?
Let's guess. I want to say 30 minutes. I was saying yes under 10 Whoa, well, I remember when I saw I want a radio station once and they had a guy who what is it? One four minutes one to four.
That's it. So what are they doing? They're flying up to that mountain five to ten if you are doing it Carefully, well, how the fuck do you get all the way in the mountain? How do you get down?
We only saw five seconds. Is there a gallon of gas up there? At the top of the fucking mountain. I'm way less enthusiastic about this purchase now.
Yeah, that sucks Yeah, 450 grand for a minute. So what makes me enthusiastic is that they're gonna innovate and evolve this. Oh, yeah, it'll be nuclear powered Let's not get crazy. Yeah, it'll be a cold fusion.
It'll be an iron man machine I mean I feel like we could do better things with that technology before the jet suit, but I'm totally in On the jet suit get an iron man suit. Like that's iron man, right? He's the hands That's how we fly. I mean, that's kind of what they look like.
Yeah, like it would come out of his feet and come out of his hands Um, I did a radio station once in Denver and they had a guy who did a jet pack thing in a parking lot It was like a morning radio back in the day and this guy I think it could only last for 30 seconds and this guy he had two knee braces on because he had blown out both of his ACLs Just landing and destroying his knees, but it was crazy to watch. It was crazy to watch He just got took off and he flew around but it was only for a few seconds I think like it's like a 30 second deal after 30 seconds. It runs out of juice. I'm glad there are people like that out there I appreciate their enthusiasm.
There's always going to be right. Yeah, there's always gonna be some brief description of what it has in there Vlog jazz. It honestly it is like what you were talking about. So the hands like the iron man positions in the back as a majority of the thrust Right.
Yeah, but it heats your ass up something first. Yeah up to 56 miles per hour interested. You guys like you Wonder how much faster you go with jet fuel. Well, what does it normally use?
It's a diesel or jet fuel diesel or jet fuel. That's weird. They're not that far off or kerosene But isn't that weird that one engine can burn those different types of fuel? That seems unusual probably the configuration part where oh, I say Right, right.
If you want to top on when you get jet fuel platformer. Yeah Okay, let's try it. Yeah, but is there legitimate military applications or something like that? I can't really think of one.
This is because it showed guys and fatigues that are landed on an aircraft carrier I can show you videos of guys and fatigues that end up banging each other so that necessarily mean Right, so let's say a military application for that. Let's just say That would be far for engine. I'm just saying the fatigues doesn't necessarily the qualifier of it being, you know, right Good utilization for the military. So we only briefly touched on this Kandahar giant story But will you ever in Kandahar?
Yeah, that's not in the south of how remote is it? Hum I mean, there's a large city there town town city I don't know the difference between the two it's relatively built up as far as southern afghanistan It's gonna be you know, you're cobble it north Kandahar is a bit down south cobble in the north You're gonna start looking at the exterior range of the Hindu Kush Kandahar still has some topography But you're looking at more of like a high desert train and so there's caves and things on those lines This is the idea of this thing lived in a cave. Yeah, I mean so yeah, it's there is topography that is there for sure it Possible, I don't know well the reason why people entertain this idea of giants at all is all a lot of its biblical It's like stories from the bible and then also stories from ancient civilizations that talked about red-haired giant Which is the weird thing about this thing had red hair like the native americans had tales of red-haired giants that they fought off Like there's a lot of people that believe that all these stories from antiquity about giants are all referring to an actual different race of humans You know, like we are one race of humans that's the homusapiens survived But then there's also races of humans that didn't survive like the hobbit people from the island of flores That they found out there was a branch of the human species that was like three feet tall covered in hair real tiny heads Weird but had tools and had weapons and I think some of that stuff's real I think sometimes though the stories they're they're intentionally nesting a greater message through the vehicle of that story Um, so whether it's like accurate or not It's more about the story that they are telling and I'm not saying like the can't hard giant has some story associated with it But some of the older like the civilizations and the stories that they tell I think it's just a vehicle that they can nest something in there To create deeper thought but that makes sense. It's what I see you guys doing is comedians.
I've talked about this recently Um, it is interesting to be and I never paid attention to it But I know he's a good friend of yours dapeshapel I lost his last special the ability for comedians to nest inside of your set Pretty impactful and powerful like societal conversations and ideas and get people to laugh about it But even when they're done laughing about it, they're gonna be thinking about it when they're driving home It's just the vehicle to get people thinking about stuff Well in terms of comedy, I agree and dave is one of the best of all time if not the best at doing that But what kind of a Nesting would you what you're talking about giants? It depends on the morals and ethos of that society if they want to be a warrior society You have to have something that you're constantly fighting or protecting yourself against Whether that's real or you are nesting the morality of your society in that story Both could achieve the same instinct if there really was a giant and they really did kill this thing and then brought it back secretly Like what would be the purpose of that? Why wouldn't they That that's where I go like what would be the purpose of hiding the fact that this thing existed I don't see why the government would hide the discovery of a giant like what yeah What military reason what national security reason would you have for hiding? This the thing that this thing existed at some level of objective Skepticism and criticism or looking into these stories you get to that point of like who's benefiting from this and why?
Yeah, why would anybody actually go out of their way to put this much effort into obscure something like that? Yeah, that's not feel about giants But when it comes to UFOs it makes more sense to me because then you have something that's Insanely advanced much more advanced than us and so I had this guy help put off my show He's a business just a very brilliant guy and he's been around forever and during um was George W or Herbert Walker One of the bushes. Um, they brought him and a team specialist and and they said we are Contemplating disclosure and that we have not just not just acquired Crashed vehicles that are of non-human origin, but also we have biological remains of these creatures We want you to write down pros and cons of the impact of these things and put a numerical value put a numerical value in terms of impact on government impact on religion impact on all these different things and Universally all of them came out with more cons than pros the numbers didn't line up and they made a decision to not disclose This is according to this help with off-guy. I could see that being the case I could see that being the case too if it was true the ufo thing There's just too many stories for me to openly dismiss all of them even though I've had no experiences It's just too many stories.
There's too many there's too much weirdness to it How about just given the size of the known universe and the fact it keeps expanding What is the mathematical odds that we are completely the only thing out there? Exactly So this is like sort of the same argument that people used to use for Bigfoot like the wilderness is so vast The pacific northwest is so dense There could be something out there that we haven't documented Well the problem is now we kind of have and now we kind of know that with all these camera traps all these different things It's very very very very unlikely that any stories are true But when you get to the universe, it's like come on It's way more likely that we're not alone than we are alone if we are alone That's kind of insane. I mean it kind it's kind of incredible if this is the only place where intelligent life is formed I think if that's the case we're missing something we're missing something about the nature of consciousness We're missing something about what consciousness actually is like what is our actual role in the universe It might be more complex than the we initially believe I think disclosure that we aren't alone would have a net benefit to society globally We spend a lot of time packing back and forth with each other and fighting each other If you got sat down and be like listen We have a global issue now that everybody is impacted by this is because as much of the biggest swing and dick you think you are on this planet Guess what? You're nothing in comparison to this I think it would have a net calming effect maybe not instantaneously But overall I think that that would be the net effect of it Perhaps the real problem is like all things someone's gonna take advantage of it But I think that if so let's say it is real I think that's already happening like the us if that's real the us is not the only Country that has agreed not to disclose because it is to their benefit not to do so like these things Russia has a crash program I'm sure China does as well too, and I'm sure that everybody to include the us is trying to reverse engineer these things for our benefit as fast as humanly possible Yeah, so I think of that if it is true that is the case and that's the bobs are story There's a great document.
It's out now called s4. That's about bobs are I had them on again for a second time I don't want to believe them. I want to think he's a bullshit artist, but I believe him There's there's something about one guy who's a clearly brilliant guy who's been telling the same story since 1988 Yeah, and like you said a volume of other stories some of them I think you can completely for sure right off But other ones pretty tough from pretty credible people who aren't making claims like hey I sat down and had a beer with this thing But like right I was in an aircraft that has a certain performance envelope and we understand the performance envelope of what humans are able to fly at this point And yeah, they think that things that I don't understand sometimes the videos get I mean I was talking with the you know Thompson you just have sure love that dude. He is like he's one of my favorite people You gotta be cautious how deep of a question you ask him right because he has national defense level autism Defcon 5 like Bill.
What's your favorite color? It's like oh what is color like? It's not what I meant But we were having this conversation in his background is fascinating And what's even more fascinating is what he's done with his background and what he built from with Spartan Forge with Yeah, which in his ethics correct, but he was talking about some of the videos he understands technological things He can look at stuff He'd be like this the parallax of two moving objects and how a lens works not many people understand those things to include myself Many times when I'm talking with mr. Yeah, mr.
Bill But I mean he got his national treasure. He really is he is that was one of the ones where I dipped into the comments on YouTube Because I just wanted to know how people were gonna react to him. Yeah, what did I loved him? Loved him was universal praise for how brilliant he is and I'm like there's only one way they're gonna respond I'm like if you don't like this guy like you're listening to the wrong show.
Have you seen what he's done with the app he created for? It's incredible. It's an amazing app. It's 20 plus years of targeting and intelligence gathering package into something that's consumer-facing If you're into hunting holy shit, I know and what kind of a super genius is gonna get involved in a hunting app like that Captain America autism I love you Bill, but let's be honest.
He's really on another level. I remember the first conversation I had with him I was like, oh, okay. There's there's people that you talk to like whenever someone says, oh, oh, chill. You're so smart.
I'm like settle down No, no, I'm smart compared to you I'm smart compared to some people, you know, but I know real smart people Yeah, there is a stark difference a giant leap a chasm Yeah, a fucking an ocean to cross before you reach like levels like bill and or Elon or some of these people It's just like the amount of processing power they have yeah, you know I have a Honda Civic brain and these motherfuckers have a Corvette ZR1 I usually go with I have an IQ that you can find on a thermostat I'm not saying it's like the winter, but maybe it's a little bit close to a hot summer day now What he what he is I wish I had the ability to build stuff like that Like I use that app to hunt but most of the time I use it when I'm flying my helicopter around because it is like the terrain analysis ability to look at stuff The light or the way that you can look through foliage again I just I'm deeply appreciative that people like that exist and again with the ethics that he has he will not sell your fucking email He's been offered a lot of money to sell all the you know That's the thing that companies do you sign up for something you use your email that your email goes on the list I'm sure if you ever opened up one of your email accounts and look through the filters like all the sips spam and promotional show years and years of garbage In addition to the email stuff, I know bill has become a very good friend He's been offered money to do a lot of things and his morality has stayed true throughout Which and again like those things are his to talk about if he ever wants to but as somebody who knows him and appreciates that I wish there were more people like that Yes, it's just very difficult to become a guy like that Yeah, so it's a long road to be that guy Yeah, I think because what's going on in Ron It'd be good to talk to you about this because your guy kind of understands things in terms of like geopolitics more than the average person Listen, I can find I ran on a map. Okay, that doesn't mean I know I know you're very humble But well that my operational experience was at a low-tech meaning I'm like this other strategic work Right operational war but those are that's air. I never was in the room for I didn't breathe that air I'm not having I wasn't invited rightfully so to planning meetings where they were talking about the defense policy of the United States Right or going into a country. I was down like hey, we found this dude We know where he's at we can't figure out how to go get him Why don't you guys go get a little look see that was the level that I operated at yeah But one of the things that was discussed was sending a bunch of operators in to go retrieve depleted uranium Yeah, do you think they tried that as a part of the rescue?
Yeah, there seems to be a lot of ships a lot of crafts Well, okay, so yes, but okay, so we can unpack this one a little bit So this is back to the F15 weapon systems officer that ejected It was a C-star or combat search and rescue operation where they surged forward a lot of stuff and then operation or the ghost murmur Stop it right now. You stop it right now. I know I know I know believe in that Joe I want it to be true right me too I want them to be able to identify somebody from a heartbeat from 40 miles away from 40 miles away If that technology existed and we're not using that on to help our own populist fine people that are lost in the woods We're a bunch of fucking assholes, right? So like let's not maybe tell people what we're doing But you could have a specialist in a search and rescue helicopter that made you use that and be like oh We saw them in the field when you didn't actually see right so because that doesn't happen.
I think though. It's plausible I don't it's possible. I don't know if it's plausible. That's how we felt me and Jamie were going So but then you can go old school which is sending in monkeys with machine guns like what I used to do with a PJ or multiple PJs Para rescue jumpers because those are the guys this is the way I describe PJs if you want to put a hole in something J-Sock guys are great at it if you want to plug a hole PJs or the guys that you want on top of you just stopping hydraulic fluid their Medical just absolute badasses nothing but immense respect for them So the two cargo aircraft came in they pulled the little birds out I believe that there was four that you could only fit probably man even if they were super light on fuel probably three guys on each pod So six guys per helicopter 24 guys some of those are gonna have to be PJs I don't know if that's enough to go into a hard-end facility in the daytime also Which is not when you would do that for retrieving depleted uranium because by the way to do that you're gonna be in full protective equipment Very likely which you're gonna be moving incredibly slow.
I just I know it was I know that geographically it was proximal to one of the locations They thought that that was what was going on. I think what I think it probably was a rescue of the weapon systems officer I guess and then you know they're like well We can't get the aircraft because I got stuck in the sand like okay The the little birds don't have the fuel storage and ability to get across where they needed to go so they'd bring another aircraft And you don't leave that stuff, so I don't know they bit or blow it in place How many? Aircrafts that they lose so what has been I think disclosed was the four And eight sixes which are the little birds that carry the people the two aircraft that brought those in I think there was some version of a C 130 And I think that was it as far as that operation Might have been a predator or a Reaper drone that was shot down. I think some a tens were damaged and then of course the F-15 that was Adjected from wow it's a lot so hot stuff It is a lot of stuff But the military asks people to do exceptional things and it helps you if you know that they are gonna send everything that they have to come And get you if something goes wrong It has to mean something to be issued a flag on your chest in my opinion at least as far as those operations go There's basically two where you were gonna absorb as the people responding in immense amount of risk one of them is gonna be a hostage rescue Which I was a part of we talked about on a previous episode the jesco lynch rescue the number of people we thought we might encounter Was a way bigger number than the number of people that we could get there in the helicopters But you go anyway because of the chance of rescuing somebody Combat search and rescue kind of the same thing maybe they're not it's not a hostage situation But it could be building towards that I mean maybe you don't have time to go at night Which is when you have all the tactical and technological advantage right the night vision goggles right?
It's like hey We got to go now in the daytime We're gonna level the technological playing field and you guys are gonna go full back dive and get like that's very high risk Those are about the two times that you were gonna accept that level of risk and you go when you go well That's why I want to ask you so the official story seems to track It is more plausible to me than any of the other stories that I have heard I would like to think that the ghost remember whatever it is But then it's like okay, I mean walk in the dog on that one Did this guy have to sit down and you know get an EKG and have his heart wave, you know HRV on file somewhere Because how would you not pick up somebody else's heart rate right? How would you not pick up the other animals or mammals that have like you know what I mean? So I want to believe I think we'll probably get there. I don't think we're there yet.
Was that an official story? No, that's a Twitter story. Are you sure? I well I first saw it on Twitter so I did too, but I also wanted to say I Did actually actively seek it out to me.