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#2488 - James McCann

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James Donald Forbes McCann is a comedian, author, and host of “The James Donald Forbes McCann Catamaran Plan.” His latest special, “Island of Strangers,” is streaming on YouTube.https://youtu.be/7VfTqlatcKMwww.youtube.com/@JamesDonaldForbesMcCannwww.jamesdonaldforbesmccanntour.comwww.jdfmccann.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Go over to my dog. The Joe. Wilgen. Experience.

Train my day, Joe. I'll get my night. All day. I'm going to take that and be back.

Good to see you, my brother. Oh yeah. Always. Great to see you.

I'm good. It was fun having you at the club. I was terrified. You just look like you were back.

No, I thought that's it. I've been away for too long. I'm going to suck. None of the news are going to work.

They'll see me. They'll go. He was wrong to come back. Fuck him off.

It was so nice. It was so nice. You were telling the story. I said hold these thoughts.

Yeah. I was telling a Catholic podcast and they fired me as I had to pack up everything in Adelaide. Just like two and a bit years ago, I had the kids and wife and on the way to America, I got fired and they said, we'll still pay your rent. It's in Steubenville, Ohio.

Beautiful Appalachian town. Just outside of Pittsburgh. And yeah, it's where we went three months. I was there.

So what did they see that they fired you for? A lot. They made a compilation. The guy in the show, they were right to find it.

They were right because it was a good, clean Catholic podcast. And then the business manager was like, it was a sketch about stabbing someone in the throat with an AIDS needle. They're like, he's just the way, can't all the time. They're like, this is a sponsorship nightmare.

Get him out. So I say, OK, they still said, we'll pay your rent for three months and you can figure something out. You've still got a visa. And I was terrified.

I was just in the snow. We're kids and a wife. Three kids, no job. I didn't have the money to go back home.

I didn't know that I had been past the mothership because I didn't know how the system worked. So on the way in to go to Steubenville, where I was like, I'll figure something out, I stopped in at Austin to see Shane. Shane said, go and do the mothership open, Mike. I did it.

Adam, make it said, if you're in town, come back, pay for supplies. I didn't know that man, I was past. I didn't know I could work here. I just thought he was like, I could audition again.

I was the most proud of the world. I was the most terrified I've ever been in my... He says that. I was an Australian.

From Ohio. I loved it. I wish I went back and watched that Wild, White's, Virginia. It looks exactly like that.

Well, that area is gorgeous. It's God's country, but also so abandoned by the potholes are crazy. I saw real heroin addicts. I'd never really seen heroin addicts before.

Just sleepy people. I saw street prostitutes. That's still going on. And this is a small town.

This is a small town. I went there. Catholics have moved there to try and fix it. It was where Dean Martin was from.

The Wu-Tang Clan kind of started out there. I was not alone. No, yes. But I think it's like the rizzards auntie lived there and they moved out there and then they got involved in rap in the Pittsburgh.

I got asked for rizzards on real soon. I believe I'm right about that. They don't have a mural for them. Wow.

But it's great. There's a lot of Catholic content careers there. They're trying to take over town. I went there originally because my new polities were like my favorite magazine and I got to meet the guys who made it.

I was so excited. So how did they hire you? Wu-Tang's rizzards. I got a chance in Stuvenville.

Wow. They all come over to visit him. He discussed a largely undocumented era of his life in which Pittsburgh played a role. That's one of the first conversations we had.

I was like, you said something about Pittsburgh that wasn't flattering. I said, I love Pittsburgh. You don't know anything. You're foreign.

You don't know anything about America. Pittsburgh's a horrible place. I was like, I don't know. I didn't know what I was doing.

It's just a little depressing. The thing about a lot of those sort of industrial kind of towns, there's not a ton of options for people. Pittsburgh more so than the place that you were in. But when you get to a place where there's not a lot of options and then you see real poverty, this is poverty with no solutions.

You know what I mean? Pittsburgh. Oh, no. Just outside of Pittsburgh.

I was more fucking with you. I saw things in West Virginia that were pretty confronting. And some of it's great. Some of the things from the poverty.

Wonderful. Drive through cigarette shop. I loved having drive through cigarettes. Just like trying to get the kids to sleep.

My wife's upset because I got her in a foreign, again, she never signed up. Let's move to America. She was like, we'll go for three months. And I was like, oh, fuck, am I employed?

Better quickly figure out how to be a stand up comedian. I was busing out of Stuvenville. I got it. Someone gave me a lift to Pittsburgh.

This is one of the worst stuff. I got a lift to Pittsburgh. And I caught the Greyhound from Pittsburgh, the Cleveland. To open for Sam Talant, who let me, who, unbelievably, let me, he's the best.

I met him in Australia. Such a good go. But that bus trip from Pittsburgh to Cleveland was the most upsetting, oh man. People were spitting on the ground at the bus station.

I like an immigrant woman came and tried to give me a phone. I remember that vividly. Give you a phone. She tried to give me a free phone.

She said you can have this. She said you're on benefits. Everyone on benefits gets a free phone. It was some like policy.

She just assumed I was on benefits because I was at the Greyhound bus station. And she was illegal? She was illegal but she had a strong accent and like a weird dress and a baby on her back and a sack full of phones. A sack full of phone.

A sack of phones. So she was somehow in charge of distributing free phones to people? I'll never truly know what that was about. Boy, I would have investigated further.

I was scared. I was just scared. I was like a huge African guy sitting on the ground. Can you have a phone?

And then after that I sat next to a guy who's having a full psychotic episode. I think we follow each other on Instagram now. He's got my Instagram. Really?

But yeah, and he told me the secret's about Chris Benoit. That he was a good man. The wrestler? He killed his family.

He said he only killed his family. The son of the god. You can't blame a man for that. This is only a three hour bus trip.

We're going to get through this. We're going to be fine. Oh boy. Oh man.

I did enjoy my time in that. You probably enjoy it now that it's over. You make a good point. Yeah.

There's some things that are not fun while they're happening but are really fun once you got through it. I remember the people I met along the way. I remember driving to Austin and spring was the furthest south we got the more lush it became. I was like I might be okay.

And then someone let me stay in there. I didn't have a house to stay in. So my podcast listeners friends let us stay in there. With your family?

With my whole family that has to stay in there. They were in Japan. Oh my god. That's crazy.

The whole time it was like if I don't get the mother she's now. I don't think people should come here and live in their cars with their family. But it does. Well that's a fire in your ass.

Well that's a thing. It's like if you're forced into action. Yeah. Like you had no, not just yourself.

Like you give a whoa was me. But when you're a father and a husband you have children. And people who do not have children do not understand the drive that it gives you to protect and care for those little people. It's kind of crazy.

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Go to squarespace.com. Why don't I understand people do it without like I meet men who are really driven and motivated. And they have no kids. But they're like every day they're working.

I don't know what their motivation is before I had kids. They're in a game. They're playing a game. Yeah.

They're just playing this game of accumulate the most stuff. Be able to brag about the most stuff you have. So much rather. Why down?

I would rather not do anything about it. But not really because you love doing comedy. I love doing comedy. But I never before I had kids was trying to do comedy that people would enjoy.

I mean I think that people would enjoy it. I mean I think that's a good thing. But not really because you love doing comedy. I love doing comedy but I never before I had kids was trying to do comedy that people would enjoy.

Do you know what I mean? I think that is also though because you were living in Australia and there's limited options. Right? Can you explain that?

No. Australian system is very different. It's very it's mostly festival driven. It's festival driven and it's to a much greater extent.

I've thought about this. It's like industry driven. Like industry. Yeah.

What? What's industry? Like managers and agents which is one role in Australia. But they are deciding who's succeeding and TV people are deciding who's succeeding.

Whereas like in America everybody is on the road. It's one of two openers. And there's a whole lineage of who brought who up in the business. Like Dan Soder had Nick Mullen, Tim Dillon and Shane Gillis open for him.

Like those were his openers. And not because they were successful or someone wanted them to thrive. He just thought they were funny people. And they got to be his openers.

And you I don't know who you were opening for but you have people who come up. Well I didn't really do it. I didn't have it that way. I do it that way but I didn't have it that way.

I didn't really come up with anybody where I open for anybody. I just thought I had a very weird path to success. You also got to go to LA and just be in the milieu. Like there's a scene there.

Well I came out to LA with a job already. I was on a sitcom already. You started in Boston. Yes.

Starting in Boston. Look it's very embarrassing how lucky I am. I'm one of the luckiest people that's ever lived. It's stumble upon success after success.

So when I was six years into comedy I was already on TV. So I was three years into comedy I was basically barely getting paid. I was barely a professional. Like I was getting some spots in bars and stuff like that.

I was making money but I was driving limousines. I was doing odd jobs doing different things. And I was also still teaching at the time. I was still teaching.

I was teaching Taco and Doh for the first maybe six months or so when I was 21. I think I kept teaching. And then I eventually had to quit because I realized I could not commit to doing both things. I don't want to half-ass my students.

So for the first two or three years of comedy I'm barely a comedian. I'm trying to do it. I'm getting some laughs. I'm a man and manager as an open miker.

And he brought me to New York and he's still my manager today. Wow. The best. Yeah.

It's total luck. I've seen you then. I was boy pretty. I was like, I can't do it.

This is not worse. He's crazy. But also a lot of those comics you started with who maybe took longer. I'm going to say hideous.

But they didn't look. Well that definitely helped me get on television. It definitely helped me get on television. So I did the MTV half hour comedy hour in 1993 I believe it was.

And next thing you know I had a development deal. And next thing you know I was on a sitcom and living out here. I mean that's fast but do you think it doesn't happen for people. Do you think there's anyone in America who has a good work ethic and is really talented that it doesn't work out for in comedy?

You have a health issue. Health issues or a really horrible relationship. Those things could do you. You have a drug problem.

That'll do you. That'll do you. I can do you into. There's a bunch of things that can do you in.

It's crazy. There are not a lot of undiscovered geniuses in America in the same way. People will want to make money off of you if you've got it. Yeah but there's some people that are just really horrible at marketing.

Like Brian Holtzman. For instance. We had to force Brian Holtzman into the modern era. And he's always been a comics comic and he's always been a guy that we would all sit in the back of the room at the store and watch.

But he was always getting these terrible spots. And he was not until we broke. Because he never wanted to run. And I started out together.

So at the store together at 94. We're both like I think he came in 93 and I came a year later. And he was working for like Pan Am or something? He was a dog catcher for a while.

He was I think he might have been a meter maid. Is he here at the mall? I haven't seen him yet. Yes he's here all the time.

He lives out here all the time. But he lives out here all the time. He's the best. We I went to church with him.

I don't know if I should tell this story but we went to church together once. And it was really lovely. He took me out breakfast afterwards because he's Catholic. And it was the priest at the end.

Like I have the announcements. They're doing a parish car. They're doing like what do you call it? Like a talent show for everybody.

He's just announcing this to the whole like 300 people. Brian goes every week. So if anyone's got a skill, anyone's a juggler, anyone's a comedian. Come into that for the talent show for everybody.

And he gave no impression that he would be doing it. He fucking spoon-faced Japs. I mean he would be terrified and upset if he had brought that. He's the sweetest man.

I don't want to give that away. People don't know. He's a lovely man. He's a great guy in real life.

He always was. Like I've known him forever. So he's what I would say is like an undiscovered genius. Because he was a guy that's just fucking killing him.

But never one on the road. I rarely saw him even at like the laugh factory or the improv. I don't know if I could ever recall seeing him at those places. But he had to consciously make the decision not to go on the road.

Well it's hard because it's not offered to you. You know it's like how do you do it? If you just do all your sets at the store, you kind of have to have someone take you with them. Right?

So what happened with me is I mostly did the road around New York and Connecticut. So I moved to New York in I guess a 91-ish. Yeah so probably 91-ish. And so when I moved there the real money like to be able to pay bills was in the road.

It was not in New York City. New York City did not pay very well. You can get a lot of spots. But also I was really new so maybe I couldn't have gotten a lot of spots.

But I could get a lot of spots doing gigs for like John Schuller. He had a whole Connecticut run that you could do. They were great gigs. They paid like 300 bucks a night.

Or you could do Gonzo at a bunch of New Jersey. And those paid really well. Did this collapse at some point? No there's still probably some sort of a network of road shows.

Louis has a story on someone's podcast about like crashing his motorcycle and then like a bubble bursting. I don't know if he was speaking. A bubble burst? He was like comedy all of a sudden clubs started to close.

Well there's been ups and downs with that. I came in to comedy in 88 and apparently in 84 in Boston it was even better. Like there was like a peak in my career. I'm like really?

Because I came in it was amazing. There was clubs everywhere. I'm like nah you missed it. So there's always been this like up and down of clubs closing in club.

But like New York is on the rise right now. There's a bunch of clubs that have opened up in New York. Comedy right now is fucking doing great. I hope that can figure it out.

What do you mean? Well last time I was in LA the spirit was so I was never in LA for it being great. But I've heard all the stories about everyone's sports car at that back of the thing. And then I was everybody has no sense that it's ever going to work for them.

Like no one's even bothered to. It's like three podcasts in LA now. I don't want to talk about it. Like here everybody is so hopeful in Austin.

And I can look at like Peyton made it. Like last night I'm looking at that green room. Like all of these people have money in their touring. And they came here and they got to do it.

Like and the hope and the adventure. And when I was in LA everyone was. You might have picked up a night. It's also like the comic store has always been.

That's like it's getting better. Yeah it is getting better. Well it's definitely getting better because Rose is running it. She's awesome.

But I think the comic store has always been a top down vibe. And if there was a bunch of like big name national acts that were really cool and fun to hang out with. It was a great vibe. And when they're gone.

It always felt empty. It always felt weird. This is how it was with me in the 90s when I was there. And I think that's how it is now.

We're all out here now. Yeah. You know and it's like and then people kind of feel abandoned so they feel sad. You know it feels and then they get a little mad at you.

Like you think fuck me doing Austin me. And so it develops a stupid rift. Which is the dumbest thing ever we're on the same team. And also you can work here too.

Like it's so dumb. Yeah. And the rift can be good. The rift can motivate people to have you seen LaMere's with other.

No, what's he doing? He's just going hard on New York people. And I'm talking about them and Austin's number one. He's trying to he's doing the same thing they were doing to him.

I think he's fucking great. I think he gets very confident. You're a comedy. There's so many great comics.

Norman and Soder and fucking Andrew Scholz and David tells the best alive. I don't know. He's one great comedian in New York. I don't see how you go to have kids.

Uh, Gavigan raised all his kids there. And he's like super clean. Catholic guy. Yeah.

I don't know how he's got some money. First of all he's got some money. Money. He's got to help send him to a nice place to go to school where they're not going to get eaten.

I think the trans thing is done in the schools. Yeah, it's dropped off significantly. I had really, because we were homeschooling. And I was just aware, because my dad's a teacher, and he would say, I don't want to get anything in trouble, but he would report that the numbers were developing.

And I think as a social phenomenon it seems to have like, now everyone just says they have an anxiety disorder. Well, you know when it dropped off, like noticeably, when Elon bought Twitter? We just stopped pumping the content. Well, all of a sudden you could say whatever you wanted.

You're actually falsely falsely propped up narrative. Was I meant to you, Smok? I quit all nicotine. You have it, you have alcohol.

I have a drink. And kitchen. I'll go on and have a whiskey. I quit all nicotine.

What happened? I was having heart palpitations. I was doing it a lot. I had a problem.

I cannot do a little bit. I see. You'll just like, you'll be back and say, you'll have one cigarette and you'll find. Yeah.

Yeah. And I never smoke outside of right before a show. I mean, I, I'm a little poutee. I can't do that.

I know how to shut things off. And I also regularly like, I realize like, when I have an issue, like the nicotine pouches, I can just stop them. I've gone on vacation and just not take them and I'm fine. I think, but I think it's my biology.

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That's $111 value at drinkag1.com.com. I was quitting, going back when I went back to Australia and I came off nicotine at the same time. That was the closest to serious unplazant. Really?

I think I got through abusive, but man, there was a lot of shouting in the family. What the fuck are you doing? Put it down! I was not happy.

How long did it last? It was from month I was real bad. Wow. Real bad.

That's crazy. For me, I don't know what it is, man. I could just put it alone, leave it alone. And I monitored myself.

I wanted a vacation for eight days with the family. I said, I know nicotine pouches. Let's see what happens. You're fine.

See if I go crazy. I was waiting. Nothing. Was it you with the pouches?

I loved the pouches. I got on the pouches to get off the cigarettes and I had to go on the cigarettes to get off the pouches. I was having cigarettes and pouches and the gun. My heart was not to go.

My mood would weigh up and weigh down. Wow. I got a lot done. See, I get addicted to things.

Doing things. Like real bad. Like you get addicted to archery. Sure, but the thing about archery is you can only do it so much.

Archery's good because my bow is 80 pounds to pull back. And so if I'm pulling it back, I have another one that's 90. And so when I'm pulling it back, 80 pounds, you can only do that so many times. I could do that maybe 100 times in a day and my shoulder's blown out.

If you're hunting, I mean you're not shooting very often, but you wouldn't be able to get so tired that if you go to the manage situation. No, no, no. When you're hunting, first of all, you're jacked up with adrenaline. Like you could pull a branch off a fucking tree.

You're so jacked up with adrenaline. You're just trying to stay calm. Like when you're about to pull the bow, the bow comes, pulls back effortlessly. It's like, you don't even notice that it pulls back so easy.

You're so ramped up. You're not even thinking about it. How often are you doing that? Bow hunting?

Yeah. Seriously, only a couple of times a year because I'm el-hunting. And if I get an el-se, yes, it's September, September and October. But in Texas, we hunt pigs sometimes.

We have a lease out here. So we'll go and with a few of my friends from Archery Country, shout out to Tyler. And my friend Evan from Black Rifle Coffee will go out to everywhere. They're infested wild pigs are all over Texas.

Thank you. There's millions of them. Like literally millions of them. Like one time they opened up a highway.

Like they built this new highway and the day it opened up, they had like this fucker ridiculous amount of accidents because people were hitting wild pigs because there were so many wild pigs out there that they're just crashing into them on the road. But this new highway? Yeah, you know, not now. Because the pigs had never seen cars before on this spot because they hadn't finished the road yet.

And then all of a sudden there's cars everywhere. These wild pigs are just getting fucking... Today, when they have a kangaroo problem. Cheers.

Thank you. God bless. I'm not going to do it if you want while you're in town. I'll set it up.

You know, I would feel guilty. I would feel guilty. Yeah. This is not a sporting way to start hunting would be the machine hunting.

It's a different thing. Yeah. Because it's a necessity hunting, right? I want to eat what I kill.

If I kill something, I want to eat it. Yeah. And the thing about these wild pigs is they're gunning down 20, 30, 40 of them in a day. They're doing them out of helicopters with machine guns.

There's a bunch of companies that do it. There's a video of Ted Nugent and this guy named Pigman. Pigman is like a famous bow hunter that lives in Texas. And it's called a Pork-A-Lips Now.

And they're in an helicopter. Ted Nugent and Pigman in a helicopter and they gun down like 240 pigs in a half hour not podcast hunting show. It should be a great podcast. He's a pig killing you.

His name is Brian. Sure. It's Pigman. He just kills a lot of wild pigs.

But it's a necessity. Look at this. But you have to understand how many pigs they have out here and the kind of damage that's Pigman. And the kind of damage that these pigs do to agriculture, you know, they go through fences and they fuck up livestock, gets out and there's a lot of shit with this.

Oh, it's crazy. Is this the argument for bringing wolves back in? Oh, do not bring wolves. No, I'm against it.

But I don't understand the, what is the most pro? Is there one sensible argument for bringing back in apex predators to? Well, there's arguments for it. You could make an argument for it.

The problem is you do not understand. No one understands what the ultimate result is going to be of introducing predators. There is a very strong reason why they're eradicated wolves from the West Coast and from the United States because they fucking kill everything. They're super smart, apex predators.

They work in packs unlike any other animal. They're very different. And they kill everything and you can't do shit about them. And they kill people.

In the UK, they got rid of them hundreds of years ago. It was like they celebrated it. They got rid of them in America too. Yeah.

I mean, and now these fucking greenies, these softies that really don't understand nature want to bring them back. So there's a good argument in some ways that having some predators would help. But the predators were slowly moving their way back into these areas anyway. So they never eradicated them from Canada.

So they would come down from Canada and make their way into Minnesota, make their way into Iowa, make their way into, not Iowa, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana. They had like a small amount of wolves were kind of making their way in. And they reintroduced a bunch of them into Montana in the 1990s. It's a Yellowstone.

That changed everything. That changed everything. It dropped the elk population down to like 40% of what it used to be, which many people argue is actually a good thing because there was no predators in terms of like, there's mountain lions, but mountain lions don't kill that many elk. They'll kill one in like a week.

Like families got a yellow stone. Yeah. So now they just wolves. Yeah, but the wolves are not fucking with the people at Yellowstone.

They really are just concentrating on the animals and they've like really knocked down the elk population substantially. But now they have an open hunting season on wolves in Montana because the numbers got a lot higher than they should be. So now like I know guys who hunt wolves and they go on wolf, it's very difficult. It sounds more dangerous than, not that it isn't hunting elk.

Well, it is dangerous that it is a predator and if you do get surrounded by them, they decide to eat you and you're out of bullets, you could be fucked. But for the most part, they're very difficult to hunt. They're very difficult to find. They're also very difficult to get in range.

They're fucking clever. They're clever and once they realize they're being hunted and once they realize that people are a problem, they fucking steer way clearer. What's the ideological reason for wanting them back just that they, it's going to be in the country. It's nature.

I love it. It's nature. There's people that don't like hunting and for people that don't like hunting, they want nature to balance itself out. So the people that don't like the idea of humans killing and eating animals, they don't like them going out into the wild and killing wild animals.

So they want something else to kill those wild animals. So then they bring in mountain lions or then they bring in wolves and then they think that nature is going to sort itself out. What does it have to do? Why is it okay for them to, this is the vegetarian argument that I never understand is that death occurs in nature.

Animals are eating other animals. So are we, if it's wrong with the killing of the animals, should we intervene? Right. So kill them out.

I thought that from killing the fox was one of my favorite bits of you ever did. The vegan cat. Is it not a fox? Not a vegan cat.

Not a vegan cat. It's very sick. Literally is a true sort. Yeah.

Like this lady was saying me and thinks to me on Twitter or Instagram and I saw one of the things on her page and went to her page and said hashtag vegan cat and I was like no. And so I clicked on it. It's all cats that look like they've been stuck in a house with a gas leak. Maybe they got me started searching vegan animals because vegan fox, I definitely read a lot of that after that.

Yeah, there's people that have vegan dogs, they feed their dogs. But you're basically, you can kind of get away with it a little bit with a dog, but cats are what's called obligate predators. They only eat. Obligated to prey?

Yeah, they only eat. That's it. They're just predators. They're full on murderous machines.

Like house cats are some of the most murderous creatures on earth. They kill billions of animals. As soon as you die. As soon as you die.

Yeah. Cause dogs will give you an afternoon... A week? A little Docs get you at...

It's a little bit stuck. It's a little bit stuck. It's a little starving they are. If they're starving to death, their instincts get in and eat you.

But cats just start eating you. They're like, oh look eyeballs. Well, you have to get an animal. You have dogs.

You have one dog to do. Two dogs. And you don't run the Instagram pages for these animals. Someone's running the dog.

A family goes. Really? guy named Charlie, he is a King Charles Cavalier's manual. Yeah.

He's the furthest animal away from Wolf that is possible, like, because they all came from Wolf's. But he's the furthest from Wolf. He has no means this big. He's adorable.

You feel like we're in the big league in the stockings and I think I'm new. I was in the King Charles. I just give him kisses. He's a sweetie though.

Not yours, but. That's what they look like. Yeah. That's what they look like.

I mean, come on, look at that face. They're just so sweet. They're so happy to be around you and they're just so loving. And they like, he makes sounds like a person.

Like he was doing something, like he was licking all this water that was coming off of a drain. You're a highlighter. But they don't make me feel sad. They're little dog people.

Interesting. That's it. Charlie Tim. That's how many people make me very sad.

I think about pugs of water and they upset me. And the long dogs, like the sausage dogs with the back problems. Anything that looks like it. Right.

It's ready to dog. No, no, I know what you mean. A hungry tree. Great.

One of those two dogs. Yeah. Those two dogs are great. This is not like a pug.

They're very active. They're very... It's like a water dog. It's a fucking dog that's just like a house dog.

They're just like a little love machine. Just a little pet. He's a sweet, sweet little guy. He's the best.

He's so nice. He's like so and he just relentlessly tortures my dog Marshall the big dog Yeah, who's the most tolerant dog on earth? He just lays there and the dog the puppies like like biting up and biting his ear He's a year old. Okay, so I've had him for whatever eight months I guess like how many months they give him to you three months old something like that How old are puppies when you get up?

I think eight weeks old I think yeah, so we probably have ten months He's it fucking adorable. You cannot travel with a dog to know you have to get them all kinds of I tried yeah, you got in big trouble for that right. I think that was the beginning of the end of that marriage I think it was from the moment. He said now We have to get married.

I have to get married until that dog problem, but the guy who there's a politician who stops Johnny There who like he came out and said we're gonna destroy his dogs and then everyone made fun of America But that guy is now doing he's like being in the popular emergent populist right in Australia over the last six months And we got he wanted to kill Johnny Depp's dogs. Yeah, he's a great speaker He was I don't care if you are people magazine's sixiest man of the year get your dogs out. Why was it deal? We have no rabies we have we're very precious about the border.

That's all we've got his name's Bobby Joyce He is sick the man the dogs leave the country within forty eight to fifty hours already put down citing strict quarantine laws designed to protect diseases like rabies But here's the thing just test them. How much does it cost to test a dog rabies? It's probably pretty quick I'm gonna be Joyce drunk. This is short not long after that And issue with the yeah pistol and boot yeah I'm gonna be Joyce drunk they caught him on the streets of our like of Canberra Which is where the couple is and he was just passed out in the street There is down the bottom.

Yeah, the bottom one. Yeah, but he's just he's just lying on the street Was it it wasn't that long ago Joyce In the government Good what's wrong? It's the safe place to live I was walking back to my accommodations after Parliament rose at 10 p.m Oh, that's all he was doing just walking back to his accommodation. I do like him Look, it's just taking a nap.

He's just chilling. We have a strong field walk. Yeah, man. Give the guy break It's good.

We're finally we were the last country to have like a right-wing populist thing happen. You guys had the trumpet then England is having it happen with like in a big way. It's restarting swing there It's so swinging right now and it's starting up. Yeah, and what's causing that terrorist attack was not good And then also running out of petrol really has upset people yeah, we don't have we don't make our own gas We had two refineries one of them accidentally blew up a week ago.

You think it accidentally blew up I have no comment to make I think probably someone seems like a real bad luck seems like it I mean they would have been doing it like max capacity. Maybe they did it past when it was safe But it's not I thought I was gonna make it out of the country because I got a gas Why started to get canceled. Yeah, so I made it. We'll see if I get back and it's not well I'll just down off the code.

I'm sorry honey. Just we got a lot of spots. There's no choice. I'm not gonna work here It is so nice having a club that no, it's like there's four cities in the world where you can do it I think about this a lot.

There's nowhere like in America There's three and they'd be London. That's it. That's even what that there's like Multiple rooms with lineup shows every night of the week, right? So people can just go and run 10 15 minutes.

Yeah, and like a good room with people and get paid and get paid Yeah, I mean you need all of those factors to be able to do it and you also need to come around you yes This is one of the things that we were talking about last night in the green room like you know me and Ari are spheres in town and We're saying you can't be like the best comic in the world and just live in a small town and You know Cincinnati. It's like it doesn't exist by yourself doesn't exist I'm a little town in Arizona and the pressure seems to have driven that comedy club owner right over the edge Oh, yeah, yeah, that's boy. That guy was crazy already, right? I didn't know a thing about it I just think the speech well if he's hanging with Stan hope you know Stan hope tends to collect some people that are on the fringe I'm not blaming that's a different scene right like Stan hope you know It was just kind of being out there by himself and it didn't even have a comedy club for the longest time Oh, we live there wasn't like there was a whole comedy scene there in Busby's like 20,000 people It's very small.

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