The Joe Rogan experience Know what you are on my phone what are you the wanderer? That's what you are I thought it was in Mexico City, but we had a report that you were in a waste concert Mexico City He said no is in Rio. It's not follow. Oh guys. That was in Brazil So we know when you were you were gone for how many months six seven?
Yeah, how many times you've done that now I guess three although when I went to Ecuador I was very much in touch with everybody. So it was like that was a halfway I was halfway, but you were there you were kind of checked out. I was in touch. I was in touch Yeah, I was still had numbers. I was still like doing like podcasts and stuff and Well, you're in a remotely do remotely. Yeah, I would do one with a big giant soda. We did a 21 jump-street breakdown podcast
We're so bored during pandemic we're like let's find a show and just let's get together First we chose sex in the city and then found out gay fucking Ian already had a sex in the city podcast Yeah, I didn't really do that guy blows dudes obviously he loves sex in the city. Oh, I guess so so we're like we don't want to step on his toes Like let's pick another he seems like he's straight sometimes he does weird like is he only gay? No, no, he fucks He fucks better than we ever did women women. Yeah, okay gets it so and then but any went to guys He's a new breed. He's a new breed of just like when did he go to guys? Is that a new thing? I think he battled with it for a while
Oh, okay, so he was fucking girls, but hating them god. I wish you a guy Yeah, I guess it was a glory holes and he was saying he was a guy like Lord one of the biggest signs of a gay So you just stick your whole your dick and a hole or you suck the dick that comes out of the hole Like was he the glory giver or the glory taker? You asked me questions. I don't know I always I always do my head It was he was stuck in dudes off, but I'm actually not sure. Yeah, interesting right? It's interesting
Yeah, because if the dick comes to the hole if you like everyone is stuck, but I don't look at it on the eyes I just want to know what it's like see if I'm good at it. Yeah, I won't get embarrassed if anybody recognize me later It's funny work on my technique. Yeah, I just want to find out if I'm right More research not a point. Yeah, because so you need to ask him which side the glory hole he was on I think it was so overwhelmed by this heterosexual dude who was telling me he was a glory holes And so then he was heterosexual. This was back in the day. We did a podcast my old podcast on the way down to like somewhere
That's a skeptic tank. Yeah, and and he was telling me that but he's telling me he's not gay. I was like But he I think you are gay. He was what why like the glory hole stuff. It's a big sign I was like that's crazy because you didn't even ask whether he sucks or gets sucked. I was lost in it
You're right as an interview. I didn't do my job that day obviously a major question. It's a one and two chance Yeah, right? How do you not know how do I how it's like very important to know? It is because there is a percentage chance it might be a chick blowing you there's no percentage There's no percentage chick is a vagina Zero percent of guy or a guy pretending to be a chick I bet there's a ton of those dudes who have wives, you know who live in that world like I always thought it was a woman like shut up Yeah, right up. Yeah plausible deniability plausible deniability. Yeah, so then he just decided to just go straight gay
No, he's heavy. He does everything. Oh, no, he's like my ami. Yeah, okay Yeah, so we did the 21 Jump Street podcast and I would do it sometimes I get on they're like are you drinking a coconut with a palm tree behind you? Avocado coconut. Oh, it's just a two-day guys. What's going on? Yeah, I really milk it because you're an Ecuador because I was an Ecuador
I'm a good time. What's like that? G.T. Drink? Mante Sure sure about it. So you just get into this. It's literally a jar of hay really poor hot water
There's so much hay in there is so much it tastes you tried it. Yeah. Yeah, it tastes like just like a ass Yeah, I don't understand it's like a ritual. It's all the goutros in Argentina. That's where did you lay it?
So it's just a bunch of leaves that are in your betray your bermata, right? Yeah, but that drink is like different. I've had that stuff I think it's different really I think it's about as much as like what Willie Nelson's like drink is actually weed. Oh, Willie Nelson's drink is weed Really? Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, I don't know what the legality of that is I don't want to throw anybody under the bus but Ron White brought a bunch of it in the mothership and it's very legit Yeah, it's it's all dose-dependent I think one glass is like five milligrams or one shot is like five milligrams, but if you drink a glass of that shit Yeah, yeah, you're gonna go for it. You're gonna go into that weird dimension
You know that weird dimension where you're like I think this is Earth, but it doesn't seem like Earth anymore It's like a facsimile of Earth. I like people like you see what I'm seeing. Yeah, I remember one time I was doing fear factor in we were in San Francisco and back This is the unregulated edibles days, you know because this is before marijuana was legal. Do you get a prescription? You're joking either joke which one the X. Oh, yeah, I'll do it
This is early days by the way was just like there's banana bread going around now. It's killing people It's great not killing people but like destroying people yeah It goes they came in these doses one X two X or three X the problem is X didn't equal any number Yeah, so it's just some guy mixing up his bathtub full of fucking whatever like we refused cookie though and deciding what's X to him? That's not a mathematical equation. Yeah, X had no number value. It's one times this what's this right?
Yeah, well, there's I had the joke to about the gummy bear the guy who literally said that to me I go how much did I take goes just a leg I go just the leg I go why the fuck are you selling whole bears if I should only you know like because it's only that big like no one's Just the leg it's a crazy. Don't say the half of cookies the right because that's not a cookie is a dose This episode is brought to you by uber eats hockey seasons here and uber eats is delivering game-day deals on favorites like wings pizza fries and snacks And you can order more than food like gear to rep your team or fresh batteries for the remote when your watch party gets hungry Or you just need anything order in and keep everyone's attention on the ice score great deals on uber eats all season long because hockey is for the hungry Terms apply product availability varies by region see app for details this episode is brought to you by square space if you're thinking About building a website you should try square space. I know because I use it. That's right Joe Rogan calm is powered by square space It has all the features that you need to create a stand-out website like an AI enhanced website builder SEO optimization tools and seamless checkouts with mobile
Paylinks head to square space calm slash Rogan for a free trial and when you are ready to launch use the offer code Rogan to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain So back in these days we were doing fear factor and we were doing it It was we were doing it off of an aircraft carrier in the Bay Area and so we had to take the you know that one train I forget what it is is at the bar that goes under the water that goes under the bay between Oakland and San Francisco the bar Yeah, bar whatever it is. No, I call the bar just the fuck with them. Um, so I took this edible and it was an unregulated edible So I have no idea and it was way too strong and I was I was like why do my ears feel weird and they're like because you're under the ocean And I was like no It was like the longest 20 minutes of my life waiting to pop out on the other side I was like how long is this fucking subway been under the ocean?
Like how long does this existed like what are the odds this thing is still good? Is anybody out there diving checking on the tube making sure there's no holes in it? Start doing all the research in your head and it was like I felt like I was talking to people But what I was seeing was a two-dimensional Like you know like those Stand-ins like when you go to the movie and it's like you know a person standing there like thumbs up It's like just a two-dimensional cardboard cutout. That's what everybody looked like to me It was like a two-dimensional cardboard cutout, but occasionally I'd see their soul peaking around I mean it was so heavy. I don't know what the number was. Don't you miss that kind of high?
I don't get that kind of higher drunk anymore. Well that guy is really fun. It's so fun. You look back when it's happening It's terrifying. Oh, that was the best member guy. Did you just who with he made pills?
He made THC pills because he was like one of those all day guys He was just high constantly all the time. And so yeah the dab guys, but this is pretty dab Yeah, and so this guy made pills THC pills I go how much did you take and he goes? Probably start off with one but I take two so I took two because I'm an asshole and I wound up having this conversation with this guy And he was weirding me out. It was out of jiu-jitsu tournament I was like why is this guy so weird turns out the dude eventually got arrested for rape and Not just arrested for rape But he was on the run and he was on the run and couldn't stop doing jiu-jitsu and the way they caught him was he went to like Seattle Or somewhere like this isn't California sign for glasses And he was just rolling but he was killing everybody never was like who is this fucking guy like why is this guy so good?
And then eventually they realized it was him they go my god This guy's wanted for rape. Wow. He was a crazy person and when I was like super high on these pills I could see all the crazy in his eyes like it's like you didn't say anything crazy you can You can see people you can you can you can see there's old it's interesting. It is you really can't see it It's not one of those where I'm like now. It's just the drug fuck with me You can tell and so this was like a year or so later He gets arrested and winds up fleeing I think he maybe was out on bail or he was wanted and fleed and went to the Pacific Northwest But I remember when I heard the story I was like oh that makes sense because he had the weirdest energy Just like this dark energy like creepy dark energy Sometimes if you're on like a psychedelic and then someone's not on with you, you know But they're around you like hey you gotta go you're freaking me out like I don't know your energy's not of this It's not if you're looking at me, but like you gotta take off. Yeah, do you see like motivations?
You see everything's weird. No, it's weird, but it's not reliable. It's not like like I'm about to go into a meeting with this defendant I need to know if he's actually in a circle to take five grams of mushrooms I Mean big J. We're leaving a blues fest in Ottawa once really it's like a city festival But then you wander into what used to be the safest city in Canada So you're all fucked up It's great and as you're leaving you just see who's on what drug like you just can tell like mushrooms acid we drunk Molly Molly yeah, you just see it all you see through everybody. They're just in there talking Yeah, I don't I Wonder what's gonna happen now that this thing happened in the house first off I thought you know, I'm not on the news so I'm hearing stuff little by little about everything Yeah, I thought it was just I've a game which is like great most people need that and then and then I mean Ed Clay's been So long well I talked about him on the podcast. He's one of the ways that I found out
Yeah, yeah, let me tell you get on it helps addiction. I'm like I'm Like I like this makes sense and then I find great. You got that and then I find out it's also I mean the best Hippy flip you got that MDMA and boomers and shrooms and still Simon Yeah Well, it's because MDMA and still Simon maps was already doing MDMA studies with veterans So for people that you know watch a bunch of people get blown up and lost their friends and come back MDMA was one of the best therapies Yeah, for helping them overcome PTSD so maps had already pushed out through and Johns Hopkins had already done these studies with civil Simon so they already push these things and they were already on the way to getting approval through the FDA But the problem is nobody wants to stick their neck out and sign off on it So probably with the politics if you're running we talk about this you're running for office and the opponent can say he wants drugs legal I said your Fox so it's like really binds your hands, right?
Well, that's funny because that's kind of what Dan Patrick did in Texas about marijuana But to his credit Dan Patrick met with Rick Perry and Brian Hubbard the guys that passed this Texas Ibogaine initiative and they convinced him of what this stuff actually is and so they've donated so he's allocated rather a hundred million dollars in Texas for the Ibogaine initiative Which is amazing when I was a but that's a sign of a intelligent man like this Dan Patrick I had this dance on weed there's like weeds bad it's ruining everything and then they come to him He's like I'm staunchly opposes and he sits that they sit down with him He explains Brian Hubbard explains and he's very eloquent explained what Ibogaine does It's not recreational at all and he hears it and he hears how much it'll help particularly veterans that come back They're addicted to opiates and they're all fucked up and even CTE even like brain injuries from getting blown up. It's neuro regenerative somehow It's a crazy plant and so he to his credit he signed off and they allocated a hundred million dollars for the Texas Ibogaine initiative Which is amazing. Wow, but it's like all these people have these ideas in their head But it's all because of Nixon all of it goes back to the world. This is evil. This is you'll get stuck that way kind of stuff
Where it's like I think some people do this is what's important studies. Yes, this is what's important about these studies Like I think this is important about weed too, you know, I'm very adamant that it's not for everybody I think there's a lot of things strong some of it's so strong and some people are already on the way this gets up They're already on the way there's schizophrenia in their family. There's like they just that's not a good thing for them Well, what's make a comeback luckily is like Mexican weed is like 12% Yeah, DHC where it's like this is gonna be Old day old day. I'm gonna bury myself Exactly. I don't want to go to Pluto. Is there anything there? I want to be in the clouds right above the city
That's it. What's the shot in a beer of weed? I love that. That's it right. Yeah, right? I don't want to fucking dab
I see these dabbers always I asked for mitts and dispenser ones. They're like what are you what? What is that? Yeah, they're all so hardcore. I remember the early days It was like Zen to spend one of the early ones and I was like just getting into it a tari hooked me up I'm with that guy with like weed and it was like okay So now I'm into it and I went to it then I was like listen I like to smoke cigarettes while I write I'm off cigarettes now, but it's a habit so I need something but if I smoke a joint I'm done writing right and that's like oh you want my sweet we can do that for you Just something calm. It's just like my old. Yeah, it's like going to a powerlifting gem and saying do you guys have yogurt classes?
They did that in Ecuador. There was a city I was when I did ayahuasca and it was a guy from the tourism board and he said what's gonna There's three cities that are like on the border to the Amazon and and you know You're going from anyone of them and they go what's gonna separate our city from all these other Amazonian cities And go let's be the ayahuasca city and everyone else on the tourism board said no We are not getting a bunch of fucking hippie backpacks in here to be drug addicts in our town like that's not we're looking for it all And he goes okay fair, but he goes can I take you on an ayahuasca trip to each member was like you know They're half indigenous they're like sure right and then one by one they all go out This isn't an addictive thing right so I had the wrong idea in my head what this was you come once You don't come back for a year. Yeah, everybody had that thing from the next administration Hmm. It's the controlled substances act of 1970 and that thing that's it's really nuts But for 56 years we've been living underneath that it just becomes a given uh-huh. Yeah, you don't think to reevaluate any knowledge is in there I know it's like so many people just a little micro dose of shrooms. It'll change your fucking life
It would it would help so many people there's so many people that are stressed out for no fucking reason really does give you such a reset 100% Molly too, I know so I talk to you the MDMA But I'm asking people always like please start calling it MDMA when you call it Molly becomes a party drug I'm like what do we do with a party so that's what it is for me the problem with what they're saying by saying that is like No, because it is a party drug to do. It's also just like what are we gonna call whiskey? We're gonna call it, you know alcohol by volume or you have a technical term for what whiskey is fuck off It's whiskey, you know, I mean like that's why people like it like you call that if you want yeah, you do whatever you want I'm gonna call it Molly fuck oh I don't know about you guys, but with spring here, I am ready to go outside There's so much to do now that things are warming up like getting your garden ready for the growing season cleaning off your camping gear Or even taking a quick jaunt around the neighborhood anything to get outside But that also means you're probably extra busy this time of year That's where AG1 comes in a healthy daily drink that helps support you all day long one scoop of AG1 supports immune health energy Digestion and more plus AG1 can replace all those multivitamins and probiotics crowding up your cabinet
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So who knows what it did to the cows gut no, you know We're not ruined the cows just because so many kids were picking mushrooms off of the cow shit They were gonna put stopped with us in Thailand's the elephant shit And the guys who ran the elephant like abusive centers, whatever so you can ride them and play harmonica That's not sure why oh no guys love painting you a picture we wrote them when we're in Back my second time and they were all over the hostels doing that and then I was like no I already did it and they go humane or non-humane like oh definitely the humane one like did you ride on that thing? You mean like oh yeah, you mean well the elephants wanted you to ride them They don't mind like because you weigh nothing and you feed them first and you make you give them an offering right?
So you first of all you wash them and you feed them so you feed them like you give them sugar cane and you have to develop a Relationship with the elephant before you ride it like these people were all they were all free range elephants They're all rescue elephants so the elephants would come in out of the jungle. They weren't in cages. Oh really? Oh, yeah, it was wild. Yeah, yeah saddle on them. Uh-huh. Well, you don't it's really a sad
You just kind of climb on to them And there's like a thing that you hold on to and they're totally cool with it And then at the end you go to this like pond and you wash them and so it's like they could kill you any time They want to you know so it's like it's a relationship And it's not they're not prisoners and they're not abused at all the people that are running this the place I went to but even then I did a video with it and I said you know you could ride them I go I wrote them I don't recommend it. I don't think you should do it. I would never do it again I would never ride them again because it just feels well I'd rather just feed them and pet them and say you're nice, but also yeah, but also like you wrote them I did so like if you hadn't wrote them you'd be like never written a elephant I would have done it at all if my family didn't want to do it. They wanted to do it So I said okay, let's go and they enjoyed it was a good experience You know the kids are they're little and we're taking a little time land and yeah, it's wild What are sometimes of these kids that started to tell me about it like if they'll know later in life How cool their experience was like it'll be to like the 35 or 40 like oh, yeah, I had a great job. I didn't understand the cool things I did Yeah, I think my kids are pretty aware of it But anyway, they had these hippies would go over the encampment pick out mushrooms from elephant patties
Oh, and then eventually the people the herders like one of these fucking dreadlock people keep coming in at night Like sniffing around our shit and then they realize what it was and I go oh no no no we'll sell this Is it illegal in Thailand like was the legality of now? I don't know because I think they just leave us we eat in Thailand did they really yeah, but back then when it was illegal There were bars that sold you joints and those are the bars that paid the cops and so for all sense of purposes You're fine, or I would not plug around way drugs in another country I Work out Do you think when she was in jail the guards were fuck with her and show videos of her missing like come you miss For a turn to break up you eat too much pussy you'll smoke too much weed you miss these shut She's in jail for a long fucking time in jail for a while issues in jail for like wasn't it like six months or something like that?
I knew somebody worked at the Agency shoes at the sports management agency Every day they started with 15 minutes of like hey before we get into anyone else's business How are we getting around once almost a fucking year in jail in Russia? That's crazy for nine years of people calling me Oh, that was a fun because they just told America like hey guys keep quiet. We can get her out She's nothing asset just ever be quiet and the liberal angry, you know housewives like no I want to say something and they all just kept talking about she's like oh is this an important one? Oh really? Oh, we'll be brain is that what I think was like just shut up. We'll get her out to shut up
Oh my god, so that they could get the merchant of death released we are the worst at hand Americans are so bad at handling things They don't know how to handle they just rush in full bore going I know how to fix it with no knowledge of it. Well, it's also once a story gets out in any form influencers cannot help talk about it It's their currency. There's no way. They're not going to talk about it So little late night guys they knew after Trump won they're like talking about him help them before we said We're trying to take him down, but now we've seen the reason we know it's helping him. I'm still gonna do it because it's my money Yeah, yeah, they can't help it. They can't help it. Yeah
I mean that's like CNN's most of their ratings. We're talking shit about Trump like every time He did something outrageous They would they would talk shit about him and they would have him on and it just made it more and more popular because I don't think they understood how much America's just Americans despise them You know they thought we're CNN we are the news We're CNN and then because the fact that Trump was opposed to them and they were they just kept showing him They're like oh he must be good cuz you guys suck right you hear the theory that terrorism and the US are symbiotic What's the theory how's work terrorism can't exist without the US dominating their countries? Oh, yeah, that makes sense and the US They can't keep funneling money to weapons without terrorists. Well, you ask an Israel I mean, that's sure sure but it's like and and Netanyahu. He famously said they were funding We need them we need them we when we find Hamas we can control the height of the flame for 9-11 like they popped off a little high But there was like it's good. We need something to be like hey
We're all against that and then those kind of like look they're all against us So they just like they need each other to keep growing well It makes sense and also you need an enemy and we're gonna get higher military contracts and higher budgets I mean if you don't have terrorism, how can you justify a trillion dollar military? Yeah? So you need to like say hey, they're a real threat like that's a 30% group. Yeah, they're not coming for us But we gotta take them down look at the training they're doing See James bit Jumbo jags Over there like it's and then I always wondered why we left behind all the shit like cynically I mean do we leave that stuff behind so that they could use it the older I get the less I think there's accidents There's an aptitude for sure, but there's also like we've done the research we know yeah at some point You know this bad moves you make here or there But we left behind tanks and blackhawk helicopters like what we couldn't get those out We had to leave right now we're there for 20 years also. We gotta get out right away You don't want to put a grenade in each one first before you go like what do you mean?
Yeah, so those are still good yeah, we didn't get out like the dark come in a field and drop a fucking bomb on it Yeah, you don't have to leave it there for the enemy It's it's for the Taliban so they can keep the people under their thumb if you were treated last second I could see it but it wasn't that and then you're like yeah They didn't have to leave when they wait they left was insane when you see those those ships there the planes that are flying away And people are hanging onto the wheels of the plane and falling off because they don't want to be left behind because I know many people that work with the Americans You said you'd protect us over and over again, and then you're like yeah, we've done this over and over again We'll just say it was that we it was equipment we gave to the Afghan state so it wasn't you know It wasn't us equipment any longer and it's already given over to them Yeah, we gave it to Afghanistan, but not the Taliban the national defense and security forces Right and then there was not that many of them and so the moment that we left the Taliban just took everything There's also like what is the Taliban?
We have this word on it second evil word Are they just like the government and a lot of these places like the cartels in Colombia? They like build schools they do actually but they also are the government they make sure the businesses run okay And so you have this idea cartel it sounds like that but it's like it's more than that I wonder how much the Taliban is all actually into terrorism and how much is like just running day-to-day stuff? Well, that's a good point because in America I mean, what are the pharmaceutical drug companies? I mean how many people we talked about this the other day? It's like 70,000 people died of opioid overdoses in America in 2024 70 thousand So like in a lot of that is probably cartel fentanyl But a lot of it's like flat out old-school oxycodone, so it's like what are they?
What are they and how much is they don't even know? Every year but they thought you saw the most effective thing that's Sackler with Ferris Bueller That document series whatever yeah, painkiller is they started every episode with a real Person talking about how their son is dead yeah, or you know something like that. Yeah, and then they can you like oh my god This makes it so real yeah painkiller. That's what's called. Yeah, so good. That's Peter Berg's yeah
We talked about that the other day. It's amazing series amazing series. Yeah, Matthew Broderick plays such a good fucking creep He did such a good job got that fucking that show so disturbing because it's based on true story and he show a guy falling into the despair from being fine Yeah, I just like oh do we all know somebody who got hooked mm-hmm. I mean it's so potent it's so powerful and they told doctors They told people they told everybody that wasn't even addictive they knew was addicted they knew it up in the same path I mean that's in the painkiller series. Yeah, they operate on the same pathways heroin like you're saying that this is not addictive This is a lie yeah, they were there was go if that movie is completely accurate It's like okay, so this is for heavily cancerous like bedridden people that have a pain threshold eight to ten Like it'll be good for them Why don't we just extend the pain threshold to three to ten yeah, and that allows a lot more people in if you're at a nine Right now right if you're to three like walk it off Exactly I talked about when I got my nose fixed when the doctor tried to give me two different opiates I was like all right it was nothing mean it didn't even hurt
It was just mildly uncomfortable and that was also because it was stuffed up with gauze like those It wasn't even gauze like these foam things with tube that they stuff in your nose to keep your nostrils open while it's healing But you know he gave me two different opiates and I was like is it gonna get worse than this because I don't I'm fine I don't tell you but be careful. I would not take unless you absolutely need it No, they don't tell you any that they want you to do if they're financially incentivized I got a wisdom tooth out and the dentist was like I was like hey, I don't like why you gotta wasn't too That did it hurt? I don't remember it was so long ago. Yeah, it was a little logic on that Are you supposed to get wisdom teeth taken out both out because I've had people said I've heard people say you shouldn't like There's no reason to take them out. I do that they get impacted or something I don't know often they growing and growing and wrong and they cause problems with other teeth It had to be that but he gave me this thing of like it and I was like I don't want any goes your friends with comedians right?
I was like yeah, your friends will want whatever you don't know what I'm sure you can find he was joking about He was right. I have tons of attic friends. They are all like no, yeah Advising me to take aspirin not use up one of those precious I took that stuff once when I had my first ACL Reconstruction and it was it made me so stupid like it. I think it was my good. I think it was perfect I can't remember but I think it was like it but I wound up selling it at the pool hall Yeah, so it's money. Yeah, the only time I would advise taking my kid is if you have like two beers and really want a good night
Really? Oh, yeah, those go so well with liquor is vicodin opiate is it the same thing as oxycodone? Like we did is vicodin. It's a downer. I don't know what Oscar does It's a combine time to code on and I don't know Nice with you. I'm not sure to tell it all yeah
I was reading the sad story once about this lady who she had covid and she's in so much pain from covid that she kept taking Tylenol and she died of a fucking liver failure because the time this seat of men have and killed her liver Sometimes you see people dying you know what to lose her way to die Can't ever tell anybody there's no victim blood aspirin overdose. Oh, it's crazy. How much aspirin do you have to take before you die? That seems nuts I feel like all these middle school girls would try before they had access to stuff really I took a whole bottle of ice. Oh, you know, I knew a girl did exactly that thing exactly that Yeah, she took aspirin, but it's like that's not gonna do it, but your call for attention is there She's also crazy annoying. I like let me tell you how to do it big tits and she fucked everybody
She was nuts and I'll accept it this girl was a fucking freak she fucked everybody. She was an animal Catholic school girl I just typed in Tylenol deaths and this thing came up the Chicago Tylenol murders. Oh, it seems like it's an unsung Yeah, there's tampered Tylenol that people bought that was potassium cyanide seven people died. Yeah, that's my start with a steel on top Yeah, right. Yeah, I remember this. I remember this. This is when I was in high school. Do they know why?
investigation suspects I wonder what the conspiracy what's the tinfoil had someone recently was arrested no So spec has been charged as of 2026 whoa, so a bunch of people died and they just got away with it. Yeah, wow Storians any letter to tell all manufacturer claiming responsibility and demanding a million dollars if I remember right they said they said We found out that the problem with one plant that whatever and we've we've gotten someone else like well, okay I bought this bottle before that happened so this should be safe and then it wasn't and then it was like telling Or whatever was like covering up how bad it got instead of going recall everything estimated 31 million bottles were in circulation with a retail value of over a hundred million dollars equivalent to 334 million twenty twenty five company also advertise in the national media for individuals not to consume any of its products that contain a Sedometifen after it was determined that only these capsules had been tampered with Wow Wow, so that's probably one of those things to those copycats right like one person hears about someone buying poison taiwanons Yeah, when I poison people in Ohio Yeah, yeah, just be original be awful evil but be original
There's so many those like the time all we're like wait We you guys evenly covering this up and resulting more deaths that then I found out down there was like Coca-Cola dol We're like oh these are like evil corporations as they realize it there you know the pinto story Oh look the mistake so Ford found out what's let's oh, yeah research this to make sure this is true So brought it up on the podcast they're blowing up and they realize it's cheaper to just pay people off that died from their Carbing blown up than it is to recall all these four pinto's because the pinto had like the gas station the gas tank rather Was in the back. Yeah, there's something about the design where if you got rear ended it would blow up And it was just a dollar value on it. Yeah somebody did I want to say for I want to say for it, you know You say for it, but really it's a person. It's it's not the forward of today Some guy Investigators and lawsuits showed that pre-production crash test had already revealed his phone Wow, but the car still went to market largely unchanged Yeah, who told us about this I kind of remember that it's one of our guests explained that to us and it was just like oh god Whoa, it's so dark. It's such a fucking dark evil thing to do to say well people are gonna die
But we'll just pay them off the number. Yeah, what is the number first of all the cars sucked much making the first place It's a terrible ugly shoe fucking cool with school now, but no doesn't Let's get that son son deck a bitch garbage car So Coca-Cola would have people just like if you were like a leftist leader running for whatever they were worried that If that person got in power, they would unionize their population and that would cost them more money in their plans Mm-hmm, and they would just have people straight killed straight up more get them out of the way. I had people whacked Dole used to be the American fruit. I'm a coconut smile. They had people whacked Okay, I mean look it up. I see people say it's probably an executive somewhere probably an executive
How's the card style who had some guy who was a fixer forum? I mean, it's like like these motherfuckers are causing problems and this guy was concerned with his job as whatever CEO executive But it's happened over a long period. It's not they were gonna make a fuck or something in Colombia after they were already labeled like Terrorist organization. They're still giving them money for decades co-coals face several out severe allegations regarding the murder and intimidation of union leaders At bottling plants in Colombia and Guatemala The hired paramilitary death squads to suppress labor activism. That's like oh what they want an honest like days pay get rid of him You know, do you remember when Ross Perot was one for president? You were too young
I was just starting to be aware of how fucked up politics were and because he was on television explaining about the World Trade Organization about when they were going to Start opening up plants in Mexico and moving jobs to Mexico He's like what you're gonna hear is a giant sucking sound Where all the money and jobs are gonna go down to Mexico and what we allowed during that time was Essentially what the labor unions were doing in this country Was making sure that people had a great wage because the corporations were getting paid well So the CEOs wanted all the money like they always do the corporation wanted all the money But you really can't make a Mustang unless you have the people that are on the assembly line unless you have the people that are doing All the hard labor and all the work and they should compensate it correctly So the auto-unions workers organized it and they went on strike and they did that they did what they had to do And they were making a great living They're making a great living and these people had a nice house and they had a car and a garage and it felt good that they were getting paid really Well, and so a lot of people thought well, they're getting paid too well
And this is fucking up our products and so what and I'm simplifying this if you're People to talk guys It is just open up a plant in Mexico and pay people fucking slave labor and they go over there and they pay them Slave wages and these people are making cars for like fucking how much a dollar a day or something like that instead of getting health care and retirement And you know and so that's where we're talking free market says go to Mexico the moral market says no no no no Let's just pay people what they deserve it is not just that but they destroyed Detroit. That's right. That's right. That's Roger and me That documentary Michael Moore's greatest documentary is all his first one is his best one because it's really documenting an horrific attack on Detroit and Flint, Michigan and all those places up there where there's all these auto plants and they all just went away man And those jobs went away and now Detroit is Detroit's kind of bouncing back down back Danny was talking about it Brown We was like just before COVID it was like starting to be like some cool new restaurants And like we're coming back and COVID kind of nailed it down again and now it's I think back going back up again They have some cool stuff in there. I mean, there's a bunch of companies are like proudly like made in Detroit
Under a pizza. Yeah, Detroit pizza. Oh really square. That's really good square. Interesting. Yeah, of course
Like on every bite. Oh, okay. It's not thick crust square. It's like that thin crust square It's not funny that we want it in a circle. I want a circle. Why I don't know it's weird
You get committed to it like we don't get committed to that with a sandwich like if I go to a Jewish deli And I get a square sandwich. I don't say no Marine right, you know, like no one cares no cares this shape No, it's a really good sandwich, but some people do it if you give him a cheeseburger, but it's on bread They're like what is this bullshit square bullshit? I'm gonna run bun mother fucker. Yeah, right bread What is this right bread is for Give me rye bread with a fucking cheeseburger you communist is my name Ruben Then why you give me something like a fucking Ruben? Yeah, what is this? I could be buying Italian sandwich
It has to come on a big old fucking hogi roll a Chabata, you know one of those big fucking seeded. Yeah, that's what you want all bread It's weird that we want our pizza to only be served and then it's weird too is you're not eating it in the round version Right, you're eating it in this weird triangle, right? You're eating it around that edge could be you know, I've seen the deeply disturbs me Oh, no, when people take a circular pizza and then they chop it up into a bunch of squares I'm like what have you done? No, that's not high of style. What is really?
Or pub style. Oh, yeah, that makes kindness sense, but not for bring one pizza into the bar and I'll talk and ten people can get a bite as opposed to I guess you know what makes slices like that thin like real thin like long, but that's not fun That's not fun edge-topping is a problem many pizzas has Dave Portnoy sold if you really stop and think about it Dave Portnoy is probably responsible for more pizza sales in this country than any other living human being probably yeah Because I watch his pizza reviews. I want to go get a pizza. He gives it to you honest Yeah, always very good at it. Yeah, I mean he really loves pizza to it like though You could tell this is a something any money off of that. No, he's really not
No, it's a labor of love he likes it It's fun for him and it's become a thing and he gets an argument with pizza places sometimes like they yell at them Yeah, I'm filming here like bro shit at them. It's like really crazy So great, but I've gone to places because he recommended him like if I find out that I'm in a town And I know that there's pizza there and like what is portnoy think yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah You want to go wreck? No one's done that with anything else like what are the celebrities done that with any other kind of food where they go places and review it There's a guy in New York not a celebrity He was his goal was to search out every single slice in New York during years and then name the best ones boy How would you know how you gonna compare a slice to a slice you had a year ago?
It's right. I guess you gotta write you really gotta know how you gonna know you can instantly go no, but yeah anything It's good. You gotta go back and forth plus. It's a super subjective obviously. Yeah, you gotta go cheese No, you gotta pick a cheese cheese right? It has to be just plain cheese pizza, which is a classic
It's so good. I mean other pizzas are great, but man a really good plain cheese pizza is fucking phenomenal. Yeah, especially if it's done well Fresh out here's the secret to a few New York underrated tip. It's already this He's going to New York that guy so he's gonna want to like get some tips It's like no matter what you were gonna get just say do you have anything fresh coming out? I know they say it's gonna be like 10 minutes. It's okay. I'll wait
It's like when you go to Krispy Kreme and they got the serve the hot donuts that come out hot Oh lights on without lights on if I'm thinking about having it when I least live in LA Yeah, there was a Krispy Kreme down street like it was on the way at home And if I drive by if that fucking hot the hot light was on I'm like I'm pulling it. Yeah, I'm getting a hot one So much better than warmed up. It's so much better Like when they come right out in the glazed ones that are coming right out hot because they just dissolve in your mouth Oh, yeah, oh and good for you. Oh, yeah, it's better than better than vitamins It cures diabetes you have all dough and you're like let's put some with sugar in it like what's your sugar on top?
Let's fully overwhelm your system. I remember I would eat them that I'd go back to my house and I'd go what was wrong with you? What's wrong with you? I don't think that fucking idiot is so bad because I would eat like a half a dozen to I'd be like six donuts I'd get a I always buy like a box and I'd eat half the box I bought a box of a dozen and I'd buy like chocolate cream filled and all the different ones and I eat like six of them in my car Just poison adult is learn nothing about his body When you have that after 23 years old you're like when you're hurting like I just thought this past after they're just like for an hour Like what a fucking loser. You know fucking loser. Yeah, you ate yourself into feeling bad
I do that all the time drinking I get it's up on you I eat when I go to New York every time I go to New York I eat myself into a coma. I eat myself way to just way too fat I get hurt me like where my stomach stretched out so much it hurts because I got so much food in there I really can't fit anymore food and I look pregnant stomach Like so awful and it's all swollen and bloated because it's all the pasta and bread. It's all the water and the wines making it expand It's great your body's like bring everything into the stomach right now. Yeah, you have no like if I had a passive spelling be a I could dips by like 40 points Yeah, it's it's terrible. I'm a glutton too. I'm a real problem with like volume
I just when I start eating I'm like a dog. I just keep eating. I just can't stop like I'm good at not eating I can not eat for like 12 16 hours, but when I sit down for a meal I just or when I'm ordering I think it comes from being poor when I was a kid too So it's like there's something about like wanting everything. I want it all wants to come on pasta with that with that And then after you never learn you fucking idiot Yeah, you're like I've had about enough and they like one more bite and they like and now if we're talking I'm gonna eat like Two more full place worth as we're talking remember we were in Atlanta once this has happened more than once But this one lady in Atlanta was like almost arguing with me. Yeah, we went to a diner in Atlanta after our show And this I ordered two things I ordered like meatloaf and I ordered a steak and she's like, oh, that's too much food I go no, it's not I go. I'm gonna eat it all and she's like that. It's too much food. I go. You don't know
You don't know me. You don't know me. I can consume I will consume all of this. This is not a problem. Eat this It's time to eat you eat especially also after shows dude. Oh god. Did you fucking long ass shows? I brought you and goldie ones a hot dog
I was just like it was doing the early days of yours not early but like mid-level days and then highly Well, yeah, I never having more access anyone could really get any more. Oh, yeah, you were behind me in the When the camera was on you and Duncan so you guys made out We were bored they tied it so we noticed we noticed the camera is right behind you So the way they could see the monitor so they're sitting behind me so they knew what the camera was capturing We're on that camera that guy's so they waited and then Right here and in the middle so there's a camera side you guys Oh Frosty died. Oh my god. This is the early early days. This is probably like 2002 or something like that That was way back in the day. Like first of all first we're gonna be on so Duncan's being accused of being an Illuminati a lot
So he goes oh there's a camera. I mean I got to this thing because what it goes it's just a stoked to play him So let's do this we'll do triangles and somebody made a big triangle with both our hands And then I think he said it. I don't know doesn't matter one of us did it the other reacted. Oh hey next time we got a kiss and was like Fuck yes, I'm not damn it. Yeah, you're right. We do. That was like this is gonna be awful
But you have to I didn't know but it's over people like your friends were kissing on camera Oh my god. Oh my god. I go show it to me. Show it to me. I like made the guy's the truck show me the video of it Oh my god. This is so funny. There was also like a wrestling moment or it was there's a lot of wrestling in that fight
I remember right it's a long time ago, but there was a blog saying from like an MMA blog like two bored beater dudes making I'm like a camera on you and we're like let's go we got this especially like you have six hours six hours of fights So it's all this time to think and they're not all exciting some of them are fucking boring and when they're boring you got to come up with Different ways to entertain yourself. Yeah, what you gonna do? Yeah, it was so fun. You can see the one that was on it's like when those fighters are in front of us I can watch the work it wants to work Those are fun times that was back when the UFC was like no one was watching anyway You could just do whatever the way ends was the best we had a way in Florida and it was just like only the camps kind of came in Mm-hmm and the tap out guys rest in peace they'd come in there. What is one rest in peace? Yeah, it will
But it was just like you'd be in there. I remember once you were like hey, all right Maybe I'll call you up to wait wait, and you're pretty just good It was like there was no rules that it was pretty wild. No one knew what was going on. Ari you should fear and you just walk out Yeah, you could do anything back then and that was also a real way in that was when the guys actually get on the scale now It's a ceremonial way in really yeah because now they weigh in in advance because they want to give them more time to recover Oh, right. Oh things gross. They shouldn't be weighing in it. They shouldn't be cutting weight as a casual fan
It's the most obvious one make them weigh in at the event. It's crazy I mean we've had long discussions. I had a discussion recently with Hunter Campbell We were trying to figure out a way to blow up all the weight classes and make people fight it what their actual weight is But you'd have to like show up in camp like you know get to the right exact right way weigh them pound or two below for safety You'd have to be random like they couldn't know you're coming. Oh like oh the whole way through it. I mean that way just show up What do you weigh get on scale 185 bro? You're supposed to be fighting at 155 how the fuck are you 185?
It's done because you're not actually you're it's like having field goals decide like an NFL game It's like this is not this is like a minor part of the sport right so that's like you're having a 185 or 5 against 160 pounds So you're actually well they're doing your class in elite levels. They're all doing it. So it's everybody's cheating It's sanction cheating. It's not cheating because it's legal It's more you guys who know how to cut better than guys who don't and as a casual fan. That's not we're into it's also very logical So some people can cut weight very easily and some people it's a fucking grind and it's way more of a grind for women Women hold on to that water weight a lot harder than men do so when a woman has to lose like a woman is to cut like 20 pounds Yeah, man. They cut weight, but apparently it's way more brutal for them. Interesting. Yeah
It's fucking terrible. They should they should it should have never been in there in the first place And they should figure out a way to get it. They're high school wrestling people fight like 112 That's just your weight or do you wait in the day? The way of the day up, but it's still you're still cutting weight I wait I used to wrestle at 128 and then I've grown man. I mean I'm okay And then 134 and then I couldn't really make 128 anymore And then when I started fighting in Togwondo, I fought my first fights were at 140 That was when I was like 1516 and then by my last fight at 140 I was 17 and I was not 140 and I was starving myself and I was cutting a bunch of water weight and then I would fight dehydrated But I only did it one year. I only did it one year and then I went up to 155 which was much better
That was easy because I didn't have to cut anyway I was way better than but that thing where they do in wrestling you're not getting hit in the head in wrestling Right, so it will deplete you and so you have to make a decision like how much am I gonna be depleted and want to be the size bully and have a bigger frame and utilize it But have depleted performance like how much how good a shape would I have to be and where that depletion only takes out a certain percentage of my ability And so it's like this calculated thing like Kurt angle for instance Kurt angle when he was Olympic gold medalist He'd cut anyway and he was a phenomenal wrestler Kurt angle was a fucking monster and he was beating guys way bigger than him But he had so much energy because he didn't cut weight and so he was wrestling against guys that did cut weight and he was dominating him Yeah, because he was full strength bigger than him He had incredible skill also strongest fuck anyway and had no depletion of his resources like his body was working at full capacity It's like right put some of this in the front. He was just fighting anybody. He was just fighting a little man He got attacked on stage at stitches and They got a rush attacked him and they fucking some brawl broke out and they the bouncer's got it
They take the guy away and then Greg gets on the microphone didn't even show gets on the microphone He goes anybody else wants over this Great finished a set Wow finished a great composure kept it together finished a set fucking fun, dude. Wow Yeah, but they should they really should ban weight cutting But the only way they're really ever gonna be able to do that is to make more weight classes There's not enough weight classes and as they know what I don't understand I think boxing has 18 weight classes like some like who cares weight classes. Yeah, sort of And if you really want to get known you got to move up or down to one of the majors Well, you know, it's weird like 160 is a huge weight class 147 huge weight class big giant fights cruiser weight which is like Between light heavyweight and heavyweight no one doesn't fuck about why it's weird It's just weird not because of shit about the cruiser weight champion like Ucic before he became the heavyweight champion was the cruiser Machampen and people cared about him just because he was so skillful But he had to go up to heavyweight before people cared if he was a light heavyweight You would be on shame on it's weird very weird, but I think boxing how many weight classes is boxing out professional boxing
I want to say there's 18 whereas in the UFC. There's only eight It's a big difference big difference. You can and you can follow champions better. Yeah, but it's also It's like when my name I was came in it was like you have this dominant guy coming in uh-huh to really launch the weight class But people like we don't know the weight class so we're less interested in you that we should be well People have a thing about tiny people they look at a small guy who's like five three and weighs 125 pounds and like nah We don't read 17 here 17 red Ben said the one thirty five years and 125 years they should have to come into the octagon on little mini horses and That's so rude That's so rude What's also interesting is like flyweight women Valentina Chchenko. It's one of the premier weight classes in the women's division heavy for a woman It's like normal size 125 is like a normal weight. It's like a man fighting at 160 or you know 170 normal weird
Yeah, it's weird, but there's not enough weight classes and they should fix that a long time ago There's there's giant gaps like the gap between 185 which is middleweight and then 205 which is like heavyweight. That's crazy one So giant Lee and then everything else well not even that's what's even stupider. You get to wait heavyweight at 265 That's the cutoff for heavy weights. You have to weigh 265 or under that's my favorite way in because it's the one of jeans I like that over there like I'm inside a range. Yeah, but the so ceremonial way is what we have now So when someone weighs in now, they've already weighed in the morning in official scale in front of you know doctors and state reps They give me a chance to come back. Yeah, let it commission checks them out
And then they just suck a bunch of water down electrolytes and they slowly rehydrate over the four or five hours Yeah, they have to do it so crazy behind it. Heavy with division is older than the United States. Wow 1738 whoa So heavyweight was weight they weighed 160 plus Yeah, we were tiny yeah, you know Rocky No, it was like one of the great heavy weights of all time. Yeah, we had 185 pounds So Rocky Marcin on the heavyweight chain of the world one of the greatest of all time weighed 15 pounds less than me Wow, yeah, and then I'm so different if you ever look back at a fat guy from like Chris Farley types, whatever You're not even just a little big. Yeah, it's like you're almost a body Look at these guys back there with our diapers and shit like what's that? What's that thing around your waist?
What is that the wiggle blood and they all fought bear knuckle back then to quit fights? Well, they just broke their hands a lot They had a they threw a lot of punches to the body back then because they didn't want to break their hands on people's heads That was the biggest defense back then the price anything Yeah, make a punch on the head and breaks And then they all boxed like this to throw their knuckles out like that Wow, because if you just blast someone you could blast someone like that if you have gloves on and hand wraps It's not gonna slap would it on a long way back then. Oh, yeah, they would have been legendary Slapped them. Yeah, it's uh, it's funny how things change and then how they go back to because now bear knuckle boxing is making a huge Yeah, he's chest boxing. Oh, yeah I'm gonna play five minutes if you're a good boxer. Look you have a massive advantage. You guys just got a concussion
He doesn't even know what the night does he's like you can't move that like a fuck I was idea that was what kind of fucking psychopath who wants to combine those things? Yeah, you even have to be people that aren't they good at boxing and aren't they good at chess because there's only flat lines You and send you to the hospital. You're not playing chess afterwards Yeah, so it has to be people that kind of suck at boxing How to suck about because if you really like Tyson somebody you fucking kale and they have to get carried out in a stretcher Well, then you buy fault one by default one the chest as well because they can't even play. Yeah, just dusty boards You have to come to the hospital. How are they gonna play chess? I don't even know the rules there
You have to have a minimum of 1800 and chest to be a competitor. What is that what's 1800? I would imagine pretty good Is that a score? What does that mean? Just scores and just like a golfing handicap? Yeah, it's not like that. Wow. So it's like Magnus Carlson
The guy that was on the podcast. What does he have? What's his rating? You've been a super smart He's one of those dudes you talked to them like there's some guys you talked to him like a lot working on behind those eyes It's like if you were high around that guy you probably get weirded out He reminds you're an alien. He's a 28 40 Wow. What is the highest ranked chess player alive? Good question Joe. Thank you. That'd be him. Oh, really?
Yeah, he picked out 28 to the highest in history. That's crazy That is crazy What about that skits out Juteurn Arab? Whatever his name is? What's good? Boy the boy once gets up skits. Oh Juteurn Arab. Yeah, what's up Bobby Fisher?
Oh, yeah, he became like very anti-Semitic, right? I don't know very close to 2785. So Magnus is better than him Yeah, I mean Magnus is the best ever yeah, man's ever okay. He's a fucking super genius. So what happened with Bobby Fisher?
This actually hasn't rated maybe one point below Magnus's peak 2881 one year performance It's about a Fisher yet based off of like who you're playing when playing them and how like you know I think it's like golf. It's like who's in the tournament. Yeah, yeah, but that happens like pool has ratings They have a Fargo rating and they they also do it per game like I was there's this guy He just died recently Chang Young Lin and he's a student from from Taiwan and he played at a thousand a thousand was his for one game He couldn't get it not from one game excuse me for like one match. What would he have to give to you or to me? Oh, it would be pointless. He just destroyed us just as soon as you he never missed that means like make a ball and you win
There's another guy this guy who's also from Taiwan Coping Chung and he played an entire match where he never missed a ball He won 11 to nothing against another world class who lost a coin flip to start Yeah, he lost their lag the lag and I think that's it I didn't touch up cute broke and left a long shot on the one ball and the guy missed that and he never made a ball Not he didn't make one ball the entire First when it goes first. Yeah, there's a couple of times was winner breaks So every time he broke and he was making the one ball inside like every game and every time he didn't have a shot He would just play a lock up safety and the guy would kick and then leave a shot and then he would run out again He just he got just got in the zone so he played it a 1000 Fargo for the entire match That's crazy. That means he never missed a ball on four inch pockets. Oh really tiny little pockets There's people that are like amazing how big pool is to across the world and billiards to yeah In Asia to you Asia to do you find people just an overhang So it doesn't get wet and they're all out there playing and just like flip flops And well We're losing a lot of the top
Taiwanese and Chinese players to a game that they play in China now where it's like a snooker table It doesn't look like a pool table like the pockets aren't cut the same way They're rounded but they're playing nine ball and they're playing with like purses like top person like six hundred thousand dollars for a tournament Seven hundred thousand Wow, so they're all going over there and playing in that because you can make millions in a year instead of a couple hundred grand Which is like what the best players make in America like when we're going to the fucking rush it'll play basketball Well, until now until now, which is don't bring weed. You know, I mean just don't bring weed the thing is like But also I think they're all doing it's basketball a lot apparent. I'm not a basketball player clearly But we're gonna keep score me a muggy bloke. Yeah, but we'd apparently is phenomenal for basketball players Like they all talk about like I've talked about well players, but we they say I can play way better when I'm I well They had a collective bargaining not late one but like this 20 years ago and they're like we can test for drugs But they fought back to go not weed so if you get caught with weed sure you can suspend us But you can't test work because why we're all doing yeah, they're all doing and it helps the game like it helps their their feet
It helps pool for sure it's poker for sure for sure. Oh, I'd imagine you read people's tells yeah According to world snooker tour figures more than 24.5 million unique viewers watched the third session of the final alone in China And during the whole 2025 tournament at an accumulative audience of 180 million national broadcast repair That's like a NFL playoff 24 million watch the finals of this what's what's it's like a billion for Super Bowl, right? Yeah, but that's snooker Like the English college snooker so snooker is very different and it's on a 12-foot table It's a huge table and the balls are very small and they don't have numbers on them It's just like red and black pink. It's mostly red There's red that's in the stack and then you have black pink brown and I think there's another I've never played the game. I fucked around with it when I was in Scotland They had a table and I was like shooting balls on it. It's interesting Columbia. They all play this thing and it's pretty cushion billiards
Yeah, they take a cue and move a thing over like a score over and they keep playing move on over Yeah, and they're all playing it and there's kind of casual bars But it's like 20 tables and they're everywhere and this is where there's no holes in the table, right? Yeah, that's called three cushion billiards. That's a fun game. I don't know how to play it really well Well, it's really under is definitely strategy, but it's really understanding angles It's understanding how to kick and how to like but when I say kick what I mean is like go off a rail and hit another rail And then collide with the ball So three cushion billiards is you have three balls on the table That's it and so you have the whole table It's like a big-ass pool table, but there's no pockets and you have three balls And so what you have to do is hit one ball and then go three rails at least three cushions and then hit the second ball Yes, but also put yourself in a position where then you can make another shot afterwards Right or play safety It's a complicated game and it's different because it's a lot of its spin in the harder you hit it the shorter the angle is And if you hit it with English, it spins out wider or shorter depending upon what you're trying to do with it And it's a but if you get good at it
It really will help your pool game because you'll really have a much more deep understanding of how the ball moves around the table with different speed and side Spin and that kind of shit. I've only fucked around with it though and that not in a long time We had a table at executive billiards and white planes. We just have a one three cushion table They would fuck around on play for laughs. I couldn't do it I just I want to see the balls go away. I want to see when I fire ball in I want to see it go down that hole Bye-bye I want to clear it out. I don't want balls linger and just staring at me like do it again. Do it again. Do it again
I'm still here. Do it again. So that became a bar sport. Mm-hmm. It's really just darts in that became the sports at bars Sure, and the table takes up a lot more space that dart board. Yeah, I'm sure but the pool table
You do like some space. Yeah, and that space is totally not usable other than that. It's that's where it is Unless a girl's dancing on it I went to a this is like pool hall slash like samba place in in somewhere Brazil what pool and samba? It's like daily. It's a pool hall but at night it turns into samba and like the highest level guys coming their capital and their music capital It's so fun, but these guys don't stop playing pool And so everyone's dancing so packed and crowded excuse me like the etiquette is you just know when you're like alright alright But you get you want to be like bro none just it's packed. You can't play pool here
Yeah, you can't play pool there They were doing it well There's a place in the Bronx that is this Dominican pool room where they gamble big money big money and they stream some of the matches on YouTube And it's fucking bananas because people are just talking constantly they're yelling at each other in Spanish You know to many people are having fun. There's always Spanish speaking and they're yelling and they're all very flamboyant I'm having a good time and they get people to go over there and play like pros and they get so rattled because he Isn't that right Wow? Right not only that but the guys can play and they're accustomed to that culture So they're accustomed to all the yelling and all the craziness and guys standing in front of the whole while you're shooting at it Which is a no-no and regular. Oh, that's like high school. Yeah, do it. Do it that bad
It's not that bad, but there's plenty of guys moving around the table They're all talking everyone's yelling the tables next year you're yelling They don't care if you're betting $30,000 on Wow, so many guys are having so much fun. They're allowed to use the N word Blacks are like, you know what? They kind of rule I've watched guys who are like top pros go over there and fucking lose to guys that they're not supposed to lose to and the reason Why they're losing is because they're just rattled by the environment Wow, and so what a lot of these guys will do they put air pods on so they put air pods in with the noise canceling So I try to take away some of the the fucking sound and just focus But you're really going to be playing at like 60% of your capacity because there's just too much chaos going around if you're playing a real legit Pool tournament everything's dead quiet while the guys down on the ball and then they clap when someone makes the ball With any moves to the next shot they stop clapping. Yeah, she was back. Yeah, but not he's fucking cool He's playing for big money. They're playing for tens of thousands of dollars
And they're just getting sharks and rattles and their blood I watch guys like I watch this guy Oscar Dominguez play this dude Oscar's a top pro He's on the Moscone top cup he was on the Moscone team for the US and he was over there playing this dude I'm like, how did they get him to go there? To it's like the guys who do burning man the DJs like I'll play for free. It's a rep thing Well, I think it's the money Oscar loves a gamble and he's going to a place where someone's willing to gamble him for a lot of money What you say is about Joe Jones? I'm gonna listen while I go to Pause we'll be right back ladies and gentlemen. I'm not gonna stay the whole thing We'll pause folks back So I was saying is my friend Jeremy Jones who was a US Open champion He said he went to that pool hall once and he said I'm never going back too much too much Too much and he's also said that the neighborhood is like think things can go sideways Well, it's it's the neighborhood where like hey, you might go there three nights in a row and you have a good time Fourth night four people get shot. You know I was always about underground pool. I mean a poker rooms
Oh, I play a commercial place like it's legit. It's fine. You go underground like it's not there's a guard there Right and you're walking out with a lot of money I remember when you were struggling the early days of comedy when we've come first met Yeah, and you were making your money by winning pool tournament poker tournaments Yeah, you would go to the sea nose and make and you would play it like a job. You'd be like super serious every books on it Yeah, the best book I'll hold it. There's tells and the strategy the best my favorite book is this guy Mike Caro Is a book called Mike Caro's book of poker tells?
Yeah, I managed to use one of them once in a in a world series event That if this is the one where it goes if someone looks at your chips It's because they have a killer hand and they think those chips are theirs And it's just like we you know when you look away a little bit. That's like a tell we all kind of know See look at the chips are you look at just for a second? You're like those are my you're not worried about your chips because you know your chips are staying you got a full house You know those are safe But you're looking at those like how much of that can I extract so I was throwing a bluff down against a pro at the world series It was like whatever and I was like I think he must have read this book And so I'm banking on that so I'm holding my bluff nothing hand I just kind of do a very subtly just do one little and he goes yeah, right he chucked his hand away. Yeah, yeah I thought he had me read but the best thing about my carol You double crossed Cool thing about poker that it's like a lot of its bullshit You're bullshitting you know you're bluffing the best thing about the poker tosses written the 70s and there's a bunch of raced Race-based tells really yeah, like if I look at the nocities all all of them older white man re-races you get out
That guy doesn't bluff. He's just trying to play you know his wife died years ago. He's just understand They're like if you play against a Mexican find out when payday is and if it was this Friday they're bluffing They're just throwing in anything. They just want to play they're gonna part with their monies There's a whole thing on blacks. I forget exactly it's like on that It's like very interesting what you're just written I think it's 70s interest back when you could be honest Yeah, I was telling you all in the family days Like honest observations about different cultures my carol's book of poker tells oriental Oriental very skillful or very luck oriented. I like it says it now Asian Americans like what happened oriental
As much on the oriental is like a slur now, but it's actually the right word is it the orient people or goods from the Orient you know the opposite is what you and I Occidental people or goods from I guess not the orient really no occidentals Mm-hmm, you know, it's also interesting. It's like Asian Asian is so much of the world Yeah, like Asian includes India, which is Asia if I was president executive order. That's no that's not who we're talking about That's not who we're talking about is Pakistan in Asia right? That's not only fuck off fuck off You know Israel's also Asia by the way, but it's also like the Philippines is Asia that's Asia But it's give you that okay, but it's way over there and then you got China and then you got Japan and then you got Korea and South Korea North Korea, okay, let's be real China Japan are the obvious ones. Yes, those are the big ones the further you get the Korea Korea Okay, Vietnam you're still in the gold. I don't know
Well, they're almost Russian. Saudi Arabia is Asia fuck off. We're talking about China and their subsidiaries. Look how big is Cambodia? Okay, sure all the jungles Wow, so Russia's technically Asia that's Asian Russia Israel is the craziest one Okay, so there's Asian Russia. So that would be Siberia, right?
The Maldives or that would be like Mongolia for sure Kazakhstan is Asia. Wow. Yeah, but a lot of the Kazakhstan guys look Asian Like this guy shop cop rockin off who fights in the UFC Mongolian accent is crazy because it really is it sounds like half Chinese half Russian You know they look Chinese speaking like the Russian accent hard people bro hard people Kazakhstan India Iran Iran is Asia. Wow israel's Asia israel's Asia. Yeah, it's everything that's All those people are oriental oriental's I'm gonna next I'm gonna go to Jerusalem. I'm gonna call them all oriental's look how close Yemen is to Ethiopia
It feels like you could swim there. Yeah, we're really motivated. Yeah Look where is it? Look at Israel. That's so interesting. It's the alley split it up
Israel's like that's what's not so it's the border between Egypt and Palestine Nuts, you mean oh my god, it's the most fortified border you've ever seen in your life You think the border between Israel and Palestine is rough really the border between Egypt and Palestine is way harder than they do not want those people over there You ever see it? Rolls of barbed wires That's just catch a baby thing thrown over click on that one. Please the one that says the Arab weekly on the top. Yeah right there Look at that. Look at that. Wow. Are you getting through that? Nice place to stroll for those two guys
Just a relaxing afternoon near the Gaza wall. Look at that. That's crazy Oh the saddest the saddest Piece in the Middle East. Yeah, good luck. Um, yeah Lots of more nuts now. What's happening in Lebanon now? They're bombing Lebanon too really? Yeah
Israel's bombing the shit out of southern Lebanon. Yeah, I was reading about this Ryan Grimm was covering this Lebanon reporter this reporter in Lebanon that Israel killed They followed her with drones They bombed a car in front of her she ran into an abandoned building and then they bombed the shit out of the building and all this took hours and all the While she was contacting like whoever runs Lebanon and they were contacting Israel and saying hey, this is this is a reporter And so then they got text messages between this someone from the idea I've been saying to them We're gonna kill you and then they got the number from her phone and contacted the person from the idea and they're saying hey She works for Hezbollah and you know fuck you and you're naive. It's crazy Like they're just openly killing journalists. You know they did a good job in when I was traveling is they got it more than up here separating Israel from Jew they really were like we don't have any problem with you But they were like be very staunchly like Israel. Yeah, yeah Well, if you live in Israel you have to do military service, right?
So everyone who lives in millet in Israel is a part of the military in their eyes Like everyone who lives in Israel has served in the military. It's interesting though It's like a lot of those kids and then turn to adults are like very against what they're doing Oh, yeah, it's like an uncovered I think like part of it. Oh, yeah, we don't like this I mean half this country or more even didn't vote for Trump didn't vote for Biden So they're like I don't like this but they're you still like you have to like be pro everything about the thing Even though you're like you can not like certain things right the idea that like all is really have a single hive mind That's crazy. That's not the case in any country ever. It's not same in any crowd Especially a democracy because Israel's literally the only democracy over there really and they're part of it So there's a lot of choices and they're trying to like prosecute Netanyahu while all this is going on Yeah, I mean this was one of the things that most people aren't aware of but that before October 7th There was hundreds of thousands of people on the streets in Israel protesting Netanyahu We talked about it the other day because they were trying to expand but this is before right right so they were trying to expand What they can do in terms of like with their constitution. We talked about it. What was the exact
Jamie you remember the exact thing that they were disputing over But it was expanding the power that the government has and so people were protesting that and then over seven pops off power Yeah, and then you know it's not happening here at 9-11 It became like if you say anything about now you're like a trader instead of just like I was already signing the other shoes with You know police overstepping or whatever you're like, but now you can't say that for about three years. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so Before October 7th Israel experience nine months of massive sustained protest against prime minister benjamin netny Who's government largely driven by opposition to proposed judicial reforms these demonstrations was included hundreds of thousands of participants accused the right wing coalition of undermining democracy weakening the supreme court attempting to interfere with netnyahu's ongoing corruption Yeah, so that's the same as here where it's not about like are you pro game marriage or not?
Or are you pro like piece of palace not or not? That's just people taking power and so that goes beyond the right or left and just go no, no, that's another step Yeah, it's Fuck because it's not gonna get any better. It's not and they've destroyed Gaza. Goss is a wasteland now I mean, yeah, someone um posted recent video of goss. Like what it looked like now like right now They sent it thrown or something to get video footage of what goss looks like. It's
Crazy. It's crazy. It looks like they dropped a nuke. They just did it slowly instead of dropping one nuke They did thousands of fucking conventional bombs and did the kind of destruction It's interesting if you ask people how like polarizing everybody got it polarized and you couldn't just be like any stuff That's wrong, but like yeah, I could show you a dead baby And a lot of people go well what I got to know what their last name is first Right before I can tell you if I feel bad or not, right? Yeah, instead of just like that's wrong about it Yeah, that's what's so dark and then if you talk about like what's happening to goss that people say well october 7 shouldn't happen like okay You're right. It shouldn't but guess what those kids that live in Gaza. They didn't do it. They didn't do it
So like what on their team? It's like what we did to Iran with Iran nukes new york city Those kids that live in the Bronx they had nothing to do with what happened in Iran So like is that okay? Like what are we talking about this? It's fucking nuts. It's the tribal warfare is fucking bananas It's still going on talking to people what I know like cousins and stuff in the military and they would just gotten out and they were all now This is before October 7th a few years before maybe 2018 like we're talking now because they have the internet now And we're like this is sustainable and we don't want to keep doing this We gotta start figure out a piece thing and then that's all that's all gone now. It's all gone
Yeah, none of us at all gone but now that they've started bombing Lebanon everybody's really terrified because they're like well Where's this going because they're bombing Christian villages in Lebanon and there were there's video of them destroying these solar panels that these Christian villages have in Lebanon Where they're just plowing over and using like tractors to take down these solar panels part of it goes So like this isn't the military like what are you doing? Yeah, it still goes back to like Wesley Clark I got that right there like his seven countries and Iran was on there and we just hadn't gotten there yet Oh, yeah, but that was always like that's not a new thing That was just in the works for a couple decades for the time is right. Yeah, they wanted to do it within five years It took 25 long. Yeah, the Wesley Clark thing is funny because you know Dave Smith had a debate with Coleman Hughes about that And Coleman uses like but Wesley Clark never said he read the memo He said someone told him about the memo because any historian would not even be able to use that. I thought they said they had this I don't know. I don't think so. I think the way Coleman was describing it
But the reality is okay, yeah, you might be right Maybe because he hadn't read it any historian would not have been able to use in the book But the fact that it all took place exactly how the memo stated that seems relevant and that came up before so you're like hey We're going to Iran soon and then it's like they did Syria. They kept trying serious the best of me because when Obama's doing it I don't care who's in charge. They're all doing the same shit to me But they go we got to go in there over to this dictator and then people would just come off the whole like middle east and work like no We're done and so they couldn't justify it and then they go hey This is an insurgent group and they're gonna get out of hand We got to go in and control them and then it's like wait you want to go fight the guy who's fighting against Assad and then that ended and they go No, we got to take on Assad and it's like you really seem like you guys want to go in this area looking for any sort of excuse It's all crazy politics. Let's move on It is gross. Yeah, yeah, your perspective is probably the healthiest to stay out of it Stay out of it. Leave me alone. Fuck you live my life
But the thing is like some of it does affect your life Like this psychedelic drugs thing. Okay. So in that moment where you got fucking maybe hopefully trum's legalized You know in an ideal world is a very rare case of someone who can actually accomplish change And you're a higher level than most people in terms of influence both personally and like broadly But also the individual like him like most people wouldn't do it that way like if I was friends with Obama This is on a fucking chance in hell. I could have gone to Obama to hey Do you know what people if you got Ibogaine legalized it would keep all these people that are addicted to that? He could have done that decades ago everyone could have done that they've known about Ibogaine forever And they've also known about the pill crisis forever So all this stuff was common knowledge amongst plenty of people I mean John Hopkins has been doing these studies John Hopkins has a playlist for shrooms and M. D. M. A make a playlist for you
They do that you can like this is a good M. D. M. A. Or should I forget which one playlist is it like John Hopkins like sanctioned it or someone?
Yeah, no someone wasn't there. No, no, no professor or something like that in the research they're doing Also, right and not I think it's was still about John Hopkins was also Yeah, they're all like the way they have a playlist you can get it's on Spotify or whatever People have been aware of it for so long, you know inside the John Hopkins. So I've been playlists Wow, this is 2020. I'm always amazed when my memory turns out to not be false. Look at that guy. He looks like he's tripping
Trips like an old dude's trip balls people smile That guy's not working for insurance money Yeah, Bill Richards. Look at his trip. Psychologist and researcher. They should put researcher quotes psychologist researcher and former dad Trips I think it as nonverbal a nonverbal support system sort of like a net for a trapeze artist It vols going well. You're not even aware the net is there you don't even hear the music But if you start getting anxious or if you need it, it's immediately there to provide a structure Oh bill you trip hard when I was doing I was like this guy was like this drama guy was like beating a drum very lightly and you come out of it Whatever this is like Which kind of like pull you back into it Mmm seven hour and 40 minute playlist boy those guys go. Oh, make sure that I'm a symphony of sorrowful songs. Hey, don't do that
Don't be sorrowful songs on tripping try to have a bad time. Yeah, I want you to think about your grandmother's death People always ask me about mushrooms like it's gonna be this emotional like spiritual thing I'm like that's get that gets heights more you're gonna laugh with your friends Yeah, that's the main thing there's gonna be I mean depends on the dose right like a heavy dose will bring you to a very strange place Dude, I had a All time on this trip. Yeah, yeah of all time. Yeah, maybe maybe the first one the Muhammad Ali of mushroom trips Yeah, it wasn't like it was crazy hard. It was just they were fresh and it was just like the thoughts and it was just places We're never really gave a fuck so you didn't feel like they're like a drug addict And just like yeah, just seeing everything so clear Mushrooms fucking rule you just see everything so clear. It kills the you in your brain
Well, it's the bullshit part. Yeah, and so you're like look at this behavior and it's same as analyzing someone else behavior or your own There's the same that's a part of one of the problems that comes with living a stressful life is you get really wrapped up in yourself Like you're managing yourself. You're managing your thoughts. You're managing your whatever you're trying to do And then you think so much about you that a thing like that can take you out of that and you go Oh, what am I wasting my thoughts on this for? Why am I wasting my energy on this? It's so pointless
It's not helping me at all you see people so my father for like who he really is now Just like a loving caring granddad and you're like what a fucking cool guy that I always saw was like this guy I grew up with and just like man Yeah, just like realize like I'm doing this stuff. He did like going you know starting a new life Mm-hmm. He did the same shit coming to America and it's like wow look at it separately from your father like that's a cool guy You talked about having your father come on this podcast to talk about his experience as a Holocaust survivor. He would He would know it's about 390. Wow. He's not like a feeble. That's awesome. Yeah, what do you do it?
He loves getting the word out. How old was he when he was in the camps young single digits? I maybe up I think maybe released at 12 Yeah, he would do it. He would love it because he works at the Holocaust Memorial as a docent or something and he has a tattoo and everything Does he have a tattoo? I don't think so. No, it wasn't a death camp. It was in a work camp
I believe it's all shit. I believe his my grandfather. His dad was in was liberated from a death camp But yeah, so you should talk to him. He would actually love it He loved getting the word I've seen him make speech before there's only inner city kids in my Kansas City You know and then when they hear him talk it's just this moment you realize like oh this isn't a story This is like his life. Yeah, it's a real thing Yeah, it's a real thing. Yeah, I can tell the hon you're like that seems like a fictional character
Yeah, because they're so removed from it and this is just in the borderline of that dude He would yeah, you should do it. I would do it. I'd love to have him on talk to him It's um it's a weird time with with Anything that has anything to do with people being Jewish because yeah They conflate Jewish people with the Israeli government the Netanyahu government and what they're doing in Gaza What they're doing all the other places and it's also it's like it's a weird time now where people people are enjoying Questioning the numbers of people that died in the Holocaust. It's an internet. Yeah, it's just kind of like but just like but there is some weirdness to it And one of the weirdness to it is like there's some photos of like Auschwitz and lies that they took after the camps are liberated They had people go there and they took photos of them a lot like pretending that these people were at the camps And they weren't they were done after the fact. Yeah, but there's also tons of videos of one million
What so that's okay somehow you justify it in your head. Yeah, that's that's weird. No, but it's 600 people It's right. Well, it's clearly there was a lot of people it was I don't know what the number is but if it was Six million or if it was one million or three million. It's like to catch people like no Yeah, you guys said it was like there are like 30s and 40s. It's like I don't know we're guessing
We don't have to wear with it. You asked somebody in the Holocaust ago I was only my one camp I can't tell you what was going on to ferg and bells and but there's people that are like equally sure that it was six million and then there's People that are equally sure that it was like 300,000 or 600,000 whatever the fuck they think it was and it's like this weird Argument back and forth. I mean you have to see how many Jews were in Europe Right, right. It's funny. Do you see like if you have a stat like that like separated from this like in a isn't Peru We're hiking much to my future. Oh, Neil. Oh, we're talking about that and and
And they're like it's like a pouring rain and every there. They're not liberal conservative They just go it's been raining earlier than it should be and they don't know about the word climate change They just know we're told November 1st is when you plant after that you're in a risk now. This is mid-October And I don't know what's up well There's going to be climate change whether human beings are here or not. That's the reality of the earth earth's temperature and climate has Never been static and the real problem with climate change is not recognizing that human beings are having an adverse effect on the planet Because we certainly are in terms of pollution in particular Release but that people like Al Gore and a lot of these fucking these greenies They're profiting off of this concept of climate change and then also using it to clamp down on people's rights There's not to like we talked about people taking money from a good Yeah, so it's like exactly for every good thing like somebody's gonna misuse it 100% It's later, but then it becomes a thing where like you know I had Bernie Sanders on the podcast he was like talking about it And I said to my go problem with climate changes not just that the climate is changing because it always has but the people are having effect I'm because they definitely are but it's that there's a lot of money
There's no concept of climate change the fake recycling that was never done the ground landfills and landfills It's better than nothing. No, it's equal to nothing. Well, it's not only that but you fucking made people feel like they were doing good by throwing their fucking water I'm not believing them. It's just it's just it's all kind of crazy, but we're gross. Yeah, people are gross But it was cool to see people's perspectives that were like away from political and just their observations about stuff Things change. Yeah, it's up to her in Africa used to be lush Greenland's
I mean they find they find whale bones in sub-Saharan Africa in the desert in the desert They find whale skeletons in the desert way before there were cars, okay way before they were plastic and power plants So the earth climate has never been static, but the the the the Machu Picchu thing is I really want to go there My friend Luke caverns he's been on the podcast before he's studied Times every time as a really but as a kid that's right I'm like always yeah, so they're like that's a one-hour flight from Lima and then stick the train but like Yeah, it's it's pretty well. So you're saying it wasn't even the Aztecs. Have you told me well? That's yeah, that's the Incas yeah, it wasn't they don't think it was they think the initial monolithic structures where or megalithic structures where an earlier previously unknown Civilization because the thing over the size and scope of their structures the way they build it and Grand handcock has gone over this as well is so much different than the stuff that's on top of it So what happens is you have this old stuff? It's enormous stones that are cut like jigsaw's right?
Yeah, and almost like it's melted like the way it looks it almost like a piece of paper through it after 200 years of like breakdown You still can't put it. It's thousands of years But the thing that's really nutty about it is that design is because when they have earthquakes that way it won't fall off Right it disperses the energy better as opposed to stacking stuff on top of each other that stuff falls But when it's all interlocked in these weird forms like that shit that yeah So check out our talks about a little bit where he goes ever cusco is the gem of South America It was the border of the andes where people come into trade and everything and you see this and the Christians will come in take over And build like facades on it right cross on top look at what we did were more dominant these people and then it's gonna come The sobri fall and this remains over over over over over over over over over over over over over over over These aren't even squares look at how it's a Tetris. Yeah, it's so cool And that was on purpose they did that because that what we'll survive But if you look at the stuff above it, that's the stuff that the ink is made So the ink is made the stuff was like it's not a stacked it's not a sophisticated and also not as large because they didn't have a technology Whatever the fuck these people had that was a big up rock is huge I mean hundreds and thousands of tons and these things are fucking enormous
The really crazy one is the Lebanon ones in Lebanon. I've been there wait now Jordan Jordan So in Lebanon they have these massive stone what do they call Jamie the trilathon stones? So there's these stones that are like more than a thousand tons and they're like several meters above the ground place And then on top of them you have these Roman structures. Oh, right So if you see like there like that click that where you had your cursor Yeah, look at the size of that guy and look at the size of stone like and then you see the stuff on top of it is smaller It's not as sophisticated and then you have the Rome now the thing about the Romans is Romans had meticulous record keeping and they talked about all the construction of all the Things that they know even mention those stones. So they don't mention how they know. I don't think it was that
I think it's a previous civilization look at that fucking thing. Oh, bro. I'm about to you know Nazgulans. Yeah, okay. Oh, yeah I saw him. Oh did you?
They're so big you can the pictures won't do it justice because you'll see like a road They didn't know because from the ground level you can't see any of it Yeah, and so they just build these roads through the desert and so you can see a car sometimes like so it's for perspective And you're like it's this dot on this giant monkey in the middle of the desert right for however many hundreds of years Yeah, they don't know how long they're crazy weird and they're all like signals to something there's all these theories on the sky You have to see them from above you can only see it from above that's nuts pilots would go over there and some is like What's that oh yeah? We don't know we just kind of go over well They found a bunch of them now because of AI you know They've like scanned the areas and found a bunch of previously undiscovered and ask a lot. Yeah, and the weird thing about is that's also The place where they find these people with elongated skulls They find like these weird skulls that have additional capacity so they have like 30% more capacity and they don't have the same lines And their skulls that we have like one more babies, you know We have these what are they called sagittal after the lines are called sagittal these lines that we have and our skull you know Like your skulls not just one piece, right?
It's like there's a bunch of pieces they're just time off so they get longer as a sign of like yeah But some of these skulls don't have the same structure as ours their human skulls, but they're longer They have more capacity of the 30% larger capacity and they don't have those lines that we have so it's like what was that? Were there different kinds of humans back then? I don't know Were they flying around were they flying around and making these fucking structures were they responsible for socks? They've won on and Machu Picchu and all these other places and they just died off and all we have left is like some skulls that we can't totally explain We know how that means to explain it because if it was 20,000 years ago or 30,000 years ago Whatever it was that these people were ruling back then what would be left fucking nothing nothing very little I mean look at anchor lot where it's like yeah You didn't see it shocking so any of it made yeah Well anchor watch crazy and how about that other one in India where the entire temples carved out of one stone or or the one in Jordan What is it fucking what does those play that's Indiana Jones one what's out called? That's right?
Well my brother was a jimmy It's not you come to this canyon and it's just in a mountain giant three-story Temple that is just carved out of the mountain. It wasn't added to right and where's the stone? What'd you put the stones what'd you do that view coming out of the middle one coming out of that cavern and seeing it after about an hour hike? That's crazy. They don't even you have to see a put you in it see how small that person is in the middle. That is so crazy. So like what right?
Have you ever heard of Darren? Who you know in Turkey? This is crazy. You don't hear this one place or person? It's it's a place so I think they found this because someone was doing like construction on a house Yeah, and they found a pat. Oh, so this is what it was so a guy kept losing his chickens
They would go through a hole and they would never come out So this guy was like well where the fuck are these chickens going so they broke down the wall to figure out where the chickens go And they found an underground city that can hold 20,000 people Turkey with many many levels like many levels deep into the ground It's fucking bananas. Wow. Yeah, I Watched a documentary now Wow Like we see the way where you could you please go back to that one image with the houses? Yeah, like that like so this guy it was like behind a fucking wall in the house So these chickens would go into the hole They would just disappear so it's like where's my fucking chickens?
So the guy starts digging around to try to figure out where the chickens go and they found this and I want to say they found this in Like the 20th century like so 20 Wow, so no they forgot nobody knew about it. Nobody knew who made it. There's no record of it And it's so big it's no big house 20,000 people in there. What was it for? No one knows no one knows who no one knows nothing There's other ones they found in China. They found this fucking insane one in China that also has no records
It's enormous like enormous caverns with giant columns. It's all carved out of the stone They they moved millions of tons of rocks out of there. No record. No one knows where the stone went I'm staying with the Lacondans Mayans whatever and we were on a hike and there was this little like abandoned temple just the Sizos room and so the guide was like so now there's a tunnel in here to like the main temple It's about a mile and a half away and there's a tunnel we can go through it takes a couple hours to walk Fuck you don't like brother once he goes on never go back It's so frightening and there's fucking pumas around and you don't know Yeah, you're like you can't see shit it's a bad place But it's this long underground tunnel that was made what this is the one China So this is one of these caves in China by the way no record no historical record of when it was created or who created it This is another one that they found in 1992 They found it for farmers and long you found the caves and they drained the water from five small ponds in their village The ponds turned out to be five large man-made caverns further investigation revealed 19 more caverns nearby They've been determined to be more than 2,000 years old and their construction is not recorded in any historical documents like look out crazy
Please show some of those images The fucking bananas so they're just guessing that it's 2,000 years old they don't know right there's like there's no record There's no record of it, but it's bananas and they've also those carvings they think are posted later people Yeah, post discovery that's their way of doing them. Yeah, because you see how like those lines on the walls That's how everything looks it's just those carves straight lines It looks like the other stuff was like more modern that they think lines are so that erosion wouldn't hurt as much I don't know I mean that might have been how they did it They might have had some sort of a device that they carved the stone out with but the thing is it's like this is where's this in a map Show me where long you was in a map. Yep. I want to visit a lot of China There's a lot of places in there that I'm like don't know about trying to back up back up Kind of so big long you caverns keep going back to do do go back. You do context. Oh my god
That's pretty deep in there good luck. Good luck. Look. Yeah, train to move on catch a bug Yeah, go eat some more below the Prangolin I'll tell you I'll never say you know me to look pangolin. Oh That's what's it goes back to the images, please the images are not man It's like what what were these people doing like what who made this?
I love standing in a place like that Just like you just instantly get connected to the history of it Could you imagine it's 1992 and you're just draining upon your farmer and then you drain upon and you know I was like cave in here And you go and you see this shit and no one knows who made it no and China again China has extensive historical records because China has existed for thousands and thousands of years one of the few countries that's essentially been just China Or 5,000 plus years bananas man aquarium for real dragons somewhere Well, I mean who made it and how did they make it like how did they do that what purpose how did they make that?
2,000 plus years and by saying 2000 is like you're just a Piece on a solvador from a long time ago and she goes they don't use numbers where we use numbers they say 50 it means a bunch Like 72 virgins. Yeah, I mean a bunch Bro he went there a million times tons of tons of tons of like what's a ton? Oh, bro. I smoke tons of joints. Yeah, it's not like it's out So perplexity our AI sponsor says no one knows for certain who created the long-view caves archaeologists agree They're man-made and probably over 2,000 years old but there's no record of their builders or patrons. That's crazy
That is so great pottery and other finds inside date roughly to the late Quinn or Western Han period around 200 BCE Suggesting their excavated at or before that time But the thing is that pottery in there and but that pottery could have been someone who just left pottery later Like that it's like if you leave behind a cell phone in Egypt and 5,000 years from now people say oh this is an iPhone 16 This must be from that means has to be at least that old or yeah, at least that old or older So it's at least 2,000 plus years old, but how crazy there's no known records You're going quick and just bury some like shit from a long time ago I'm gonna leave it in there how much like that is still out there and other parts of the world where they don't know about it I know that that that mine guy said he was like, yeah, no, no, no, no, my friends know about it So it's like everywhere well We were talking about the Aztecs about how the Aztecs and this is another thing that I found out through perplexity When I was just I was writing this thing about Mexico and about how crazy the history of Mexico is and you know That the Spaniards came over with a central like 12 muskets and took over the whole country But when they when the Aztecs were living in these temples they didn't build them
They called them the place where the gods were born so they found them so there's a previous civilization that like Teotr Chitlan and all these other beautiful pyramids and temples. They don't know who fucking made them. Okay, so they don't know who made them That cave in Vietnam was found in 1991. Oh, I saw the 60 minutes thing on that Did you see that look at that dude from 60 minutes like a dude in a lady from 60 minutes went and visited this cave And I was like that was one cool thing about something like 60 minutes that they would do something like that because it's a long journey Wow, you have to fly in drive a long distance then hike along any nothing's there You can fit ice creeper's inside of these cows. They have their own ecosystems like there's clouds in there They're probably fucking rains inside the cave There's insects as animals that live in these caves that have over time lost their ability to see because they didn't need it So they're hearing goes up their site goes down But there's like bugs in like Thailand and like tap on and plays like that where it's like oh, yeah These places these animals only exist here. They're you breathing
Salamander and Barton Creek Springs They're really only live there be salamander that got mixed with weird people swimming in the creek. Yeah Oh, whoa, it's about chicks with arm here Here yeah, I was doing bottom of the barrel last night and somebody brought up that this like there's nude beaches at Lake Travis And I'm like what is it like? No, no, no, no, no, no, when you take a while maybe is it when you take a little right out Just show the bro noise noise noise noise. It's noise. It's it's somebody would grow tippy jets and some of them are like real Tits dude real one influencer to like girls have to do too much. I was going to wear wooden beads
They want to tits out dude. So I was in I was in Patagonia. I was a hollow park 4. 4.6. That's a lot man I was asking people it was a rafting thing and I was like who's the worst I was trying to do this Especially comic club's do who's the worst person you ever had here, right?
So there's like which country which people are the worst and they go on and I'm like listen I'm from Jersey because it's Jews right and they want for you these for sure but like We're trying to get which country's worth it as well the worst overall though is influencers and they have no country But they make everything about them they make you pause too long to take their shots and make you get out of their shot Oh, yeah, we're all just trying to wrap they think they're there for them. Yeah One of the influences got arrested in Korea Johnny Somali He was in Korea and apparently they have some statue that is about I think it's something about sex slavery or something like that So he was like kissing the statue and being rude to people and they just sentenced him to he did a bunch of shit over there They sent sent us six months of hard labor in Korea We need some of that here for influencers quick doing fucking selfie talking on the white walking You know the black lady to talk to your phone They love speakerphone. I don't know It's like Why do you think they like that why do they like it they want everybody hear their conversation?
Maybe because they're fucking nails look up their face if they bring it too close It's weird where like certain cultures gravitate towards certain behavior and activities It's new racism. It's fun because it's like this isn't in the books Right a brand new observation speakerphone is like I remember being outside of Roscoe's chicken and waffles and saying like how many how come so many black Guys are on speakerphone people like that's racist. I'm like no, it's not an observation observing I'm not mad at them. Yeah, I don't care. Like why is it worse that I hear both sides of the conversation?
Versus one side like if someone's just talking on the phone. Why is that? Less offensive than someone talking to serve Why do the Hasidic Jews always talk on flip phones all the time and you're like there's something up or what yeah There's some where's like why did the people you ask me when I do june a someone's doing the two hour Questions like a check drop. So I'm like ask questions and I'll build my material that way Oh, that's smart, but what I was like why do they all wear matching clothes the daughter's like if they're once ten One's eight. Why do they wear matching stuff? That's the only way I couldn't figure out until I finally figured it out
It's two for one sales united threatens to kick off passengers who don't use headphones good Oh, well That's because people are like listening to like loud YouTube videos right now. Oh, that is all over South America Oh, it is scroll Instagram videos loudly. There's no even thought we were over night once and there was a guy listening to like best Hollywood screams It was like dude. We're sleeping. Oh, it's crazy. They just don't do it
And you want to be quiet, but like why it's not part of our culture. It's like the Dominican pool hall Yeah, exactly this is how we do it. There's used to chaos It's weird that like people get used to a certain amount of chaos, you know, that's just normal Yeah, York is a normal jackhammer's like right. Yeah, if you live in New York, you're totally accustomed to that That was what I wanted to send you Jamie. I don't know. Maybe I did send it to you the other day about where they figured out that
There's a part of your brain that recognizes when birds aren't chirping Oh, and you kind of freak out like you're right. There should be some background right well if birds aren't chirping It generally means that predators are nearby Their brain is a circuit doesn't know you live in a city It's only job is to monitor whether birds are still singing right now in this room It's on the circuit predates primates whoa mammals have been using ambient soundscape continually as a predator detection system for roughly 200 million years bird stop singing when something larger moves through their territory for most them a million history the force full of song meant that no large predator was nearby and the cessation of sound was the warning your nervous system never updated the software allowed quiet He like sums up the max plank Institute tested the inverse in 2022 with 295 participants a bird song dropped anxiety with a medium effect size six minutes of traffic noise raised depression with the same The effect worked on subjects who lived in dense urban environments and had no regular contact with nature the brain still ran the check
I listen, I'm a hippie. I live in New York and it's like I gotta get to nature once in a while or I'll go crazy That's why we have to protect the parks. We should have to protect the parks. I have to tomorrow tomorrow. We're protected park tomorrow. We are
Yes, it's back fucking this new guy. Listen. I'm a one-issue voter. I'm not a voter at all I'm not me. Yeah, and it's it's this we saved another park Elizabeth Street Gardens classic old park and they go No, the other guy was like we gotta tear this down for low-income housing and then Lowery side of East Village. That's a community oriented place. They take care shit on their own always have they made the part
It's a park's districts because they were like these buildings collapsed and they're just like let's build it into parks And then the city when it came back like let's take those back like no no no fuck that we made these These are parks massive, but those three gardens is tiny and the other guy the black guy whatever his name was Eric Adams he goes I'm gonna protect that park and I'm gonna protect all the part parks out nicer They redid them all and they painted all the ventures. I like them and and he goes okay So this community goes we will find you another place to build low-income housing and they did they had this whole platform They go we can do it on this block down the street there and there it's actually more houses You were planning on building okay, and now this fucking new guy goes now. We're gonna raise that to the ground What and like no no we did it we found another place. I thought he was trying to get him like just say you're gonna protect it I won't I won't let me see gardens is fucking gone if I have my say really yeah, no come on you're supposed to be of the people What is the end singlish your voter? I don't know about the rest. You got to protect that park
So do you think that there's some sort of a financial interest someone's getting someone's always getting this someone's always getting that? You're not gonna be him. He's a democratic socialist. There's a non-capitalist reason why green spaces are important Yeah, it doesn't bring in money. Yeah, it doesn't fuck up with this park. They're trying to fuck this one up. Yeah with underground like garages and stuff
And I totally redoing it people won so it didn't happen But like there is a thing that helps all of our level of life Well Central Park is a great idea. It's a change that now if it wasn't already done Yeah, I would we were talking about this with Brian Simpson I was like if I lived in New York City or something happened and I had to do JRE from New York City Yeah, I would have to live near the park because I would have to have my dog I'm not gonna get rid of my dog. Yeah, so if I Just have to like have a place where I 100% were able to take I'd have a routine where I'm taking into the park every day Such park rules and you see somebody play saxophone and you feel like you're in a Woody Allen movie bro central parks incredible It's so big to stay in a hotel that like looks over the park. You really get a sense of the scope the size of it Scale of it is incredible. It's so and by the way, they would love to sell that off Oh, yeah, just start stacking it up make it look like China, you know like one of those big cities They are important to our way of life. Yeah, it's good for you. Don't obviously it's good for the fucking mind. Yeah, it's healthy
But even Central Park. It's like it's not as good as like real real real Yeah, it's actually like a five or two days of sanity I gotta get to the actual woods and then I get a week or two Central Park will balance you out Yeah, it'll balance you out like it's way better than no And it seems like people are cooler there like every time I've been in Central Park people seem like a little nicer Like if you run into people on Broadway, they don't seem as nice as people that you run into in Central Park Yeah, there's also a thing with like hey, no smoking here like I'm really sorry Then you put it out like I'm white and I'm like you can't smoke in Central Park nothing really you do But we but cigarettes they get more mad at but also like yeah, I got a cigar and I'm smoking Yeah, well, I could see how that would annoy sure but also chill But you can walk down the street New York and smoke a cigarette, right or joint. Yeah, right now Still weird to me when I see a black-eyed honest dupe rolling a joint What are you doing?
You're gonna go to jail but it's right now. It's only now It's different nationwide because Trump just changed it to schedule 3 again. This is something that Obama could have done Biden could have done I'm going to go on it. I'm one could have done it. Yeah, and now it's schedule 3 which is still not good I mean it should be moving just like alcohol, but at least it's getting close. It's getting close tonight moments out there
And nature where like you're in the middle of nowhere and you really do feel with you like that where you're like you're not even I'm hiking culture so it's like you're not passing anyone right for hours and hours and hours You're a piece you're just a piece and whatever that thing is that they've just discovered about birds Yeah, there's a similar thing that you your body recognizes when you're actually in real nature It feels different. There's no cell phone signal the ground. You know anything about grounding? Yes. What's your what's your take on it?
Well, Huberman believes it's a real thing and so I always trust you Yeah, because he's very objective about electromagnetic waves coming on the ground that you need to touch with it does feel good I take the dogs out in the yard and I walk around barefoot. It feels good I mean, I'm just judging it based on how it makes me feel take that word tree hugger out a bad rap It's like it comes from like touch that there in the ground so you're connected probably comes from people that were tripping balls Because if you're tripping balls those trees hug you back in there. Yeah, they talk to you like your face Hello, you could feel the cells in oak tree. I've been here for 300 years. I've been here before this was America Yeah, it's pretty wild when I go to the mountains and especially like the Elkonting Mountains because it's so it's so hard to get there Yeah, when you get there, there's no cell phone service when you're up there. You feel different you feel different you feel better
You really do my brain was firing in a way that it hadn't fired in so long It was just like all the the shit holding you down just like pulled off and after not very much time It was like just thoughts creative thoughts were just like pouring out of me So you in the six months you were gone. No social media I took I took YMHS on a piece of paper a couple people from YMHS emails I got two months ahead on my ads and my podcast on GV tripping So you guys are stuck for two months you don't need me and then after so did you record a bunch of episodes in advance? I did my work. Oh my god. That's crazy. Yeah, they're all evergreen episodes. How did you do that work?
I Want worked hard to love hearing about travel. I love it right like it wasn't much work for me to come in and I'm like tell me about Cambodia tell me about Thailand tell me about Taiwan tell me about right, you know, Uruguay Well, that's not feel about podcasting in general. Yeah, you like it. You're like here there like this guy sucks I wish I should stay home, but yeah, that's really interesting. Yeah, so I love it and I just got way ahead It's funny when I like Danny Polish I put out an episode give me like two years ago Like I wasn't time yet. I don't know. Oh wow. I'll save it for a comic as a special like this is recorded now
And nine months you'll have a special. How many do you have banked through July still whoa? That's great. So how many did you do a week? Sometimes none sometimes sometimes like six or seven. I was very
Oh, really? I see every mistake I made for the skeptic tank and I was like let's avoid that Like what kind of mistakes are you making? So like minimum of effort on my part technologically? So I why I make these my Jamie right? Here's the footage handle by the way settle down because they're not They're my version of this is only this is the goat. Well, I have 15 people doing one Jamie jump. Yeah, that's the problem
Like when people talk about like who should I hire? Well, I don't know what to tell you you need to go on the spectrum, but yeah, but I did I did that I took two a day for four straight days and any comic who goes hey, I'm sorry. I'm busy like buddy Let's reschedule. This isn't supposed to be stressful. Right. Let's do it with time. No. Yeah, chill. Yeah, that's what I do it
And I went sure ahead you can afford a week with nothing and it wasn't like I gotta find someone We gotta do this now. That's out. Yeah, that's out all the music choices. They used to make a lot of work Yeah, the problem is like you get flagged now So I used to be able to play music on YouTube all the time and now everything gets flagged You gotta be real careful. We used to play songs almost every episode song. Yeah, when there was nothing when the show made
It was so fun. You're actually making a fun thing. It was so outlaw It's a little more corporate now to sad but also find it helps people out more now, but man podcasting was just do it ever The fuck you want well, we were at the early early early days like when I started this thing it was 2009 It's almost 20 years old which is so nuts. Have you figured out how to monetize it yet? Not yet. I'm working on it
I was I think about so rubber pussies I don't need another one. We're good. It was funny cuz Sam Harris was like one of the his requests when he first did my podcast When I put it in a for the flesh like I said, okay, okay, it doesn't matter like it's not like it's paying a lot of money It was just fine more than anything. Yeah, but so I would wait so after two months I go hey I need the next month's of ads and I would say one day I'll just do all the ads on the pumpers like this guy's got new special Here's the tour dates. I find a waterfall or something. I'm doing a fun place. Oh, wow
Yeah, I was like let's do it fun if I can do a remote with me remote. Yeah, how did you do it? Do you do a video as well? Yeah iPhone so just tell me so I thought my first trip to the South South East Asia I was like, hey, I need a pocket camera like what's the best when he was like bro? You're not gonna hear this is the iPhone. Yeah, that's one or a galaxy like any modern self-hone yeah any modern cell phone the video is fucking
Incredible and all your advisors. Yeah, the video stabilization is amazing And all you do is you set it up on a little tripod and it'll go for fucking hours Yeah, so I'll popular tree far away I did one for a Danny Brown episode in like sucray Bolivia in front of the statue of sucray. Oh, wow and it's just like guys around Bolivia That was everywhere. Wow, I was on an auguration for the first president I had in 20 years where in sucray in Bolivia. Whoa they had their old guy was running things for 20 years Okay, crazy dude that everyone hated he said farming is more important than industry here So we should get the farmers two votes per person and the cities get one now They also run the media there so everyone in the farmlands in the you know the heartland they didn't see any of the problems Right city shit. So they go everything on the radio says the guys were a great job. Let's vote him again
He's all great. I listen the radio the guys were a great job and everyone the city's like oh, he's lying Everything like let's run the radio again. Let's not like Trump Trump news and see what Trump is saying about Trump It's gonna be pretty good right? This video I pretend to be talking myself on because it's so embarrassing. So I pretend to be talking my phone But I just have a cordless mic is Danny still sober. Yeah, I think it's back on weed, but like he's like alcohol was the issue
Yeah, I'm a podcast. You got obliterated. He's sober nice. Yeah, good friends. I'm great Bolivia what is there like it was always Bolivian marching powder was wet when I was a kid What do people call cocaine interesting that salt flats were really cool there? Yeah, just like miles and miles of salt fields
Other than you know Neil in Peru gets you guys were your stupid hats on Yeah, I'm just trying to find weird spots and like I know let's just film something while you win those hats Where's Peru is the alpaca has to keep you warm? Oh, I went hunting my first time hunting over those hats They're great and Steve Renella was saying that's a very left left wing hat. I'm like why my why is left wing is warm Yeah, what I don't know about your hat Even alone about to kill something Steve chill about the murder. I killed that deer with that fucking left one hat on That's all we do. I just wait and once I walk in my month's worth of stuff and then go back to disappearing and I'm talking about it My brain was so alive I was just like you just don't realize what you're dealing with responsibility was all the time and then when you have none It's like you just kind of be or so. I can't but this whole my story telling shows up
I can't was whole like how to frame it all how to do everything I had a vision of like this prologue that I want to bridge the gap It's called the end it's out now and this is and then did you film all that with your mom Sounds studios as well. Yeah. Yeah, nice. Yeah, they might be the only group like that. That's actually good Tom was like I want you to have like I have about 80% of it He goes I'll put in the rest. I'll supply all the people you need to make it happen
And then he's not a network right he's a fucking third bag. So he's like say whatever you want There's no censoring when it's the girl, you know, it's also like Tom has made so much money that he's out You know, I mean, you know, whatever the fuck he wants. You can't stop him. He's gonna do whatever he wants now Yeah, oh nice. Look at all these episodes miss Pat the Stefano look at that Don't get into the great one nice shame. I'm telling big J
Yeah, we made the show again I got see and then there's prologue It's it's not my I had a vision of this on that mushroom trip Oh wow about how to frame like what happened if it's not happening and what is this thing now and how to like go through it? And then I talked to a bunch of artists while I was gone and some may pictures in the sky this guy William child He actually did a Danny Brown video. He's shit. I don't ruin this way. You film these the box in New York City Hmm, I suppose we should tell what happens comedian bull's get that gay outfit Okay outfit Joe is from you remember show. I called this not happening. Yes it
I'm clearly a legal unrelated to this new show you could say whatever you want, but I cannot But that was a comedian telling stories about strip club. This is a stroke of comedian told stories I The first year they go hey, you gotta you gotta wear the same outfit every day. I go now that's fake Like a night, but we got a mission after days. So we got to do it. Oh, why did anybody go to now because they know it'll be like It's weird or something you're hosting a different thing. So I start wearing ridiculous suits. I made Hong Kong, you know
And then my final year I had this Indian outfit picked out that I went and and sourced in LA and had this cool Indian outfit now it's cool I thought it was good and I saved it for seven or eight years But that showed I take it away from me. I was like I'm saying if I ever do this again. I'm wearing this outfit out of respect to Overcoming those days were very fascinating the the days where Comedy Central's trying to force you into doing a comedy special special But you had a deal with Netflix and even though it was completely legal and contractually legal for you to do a comedy special with Netflix Comedy Central was strong arming you doing it on Comedy Central and canceled your fucking show Because you wouldn't do a special with them. So you got a successful show on what people know how gross Hollywood can get yeah Already had a successful show that was doing very well on Comedy Central and they cancelled it because he wouldn't do a comedy special I'm a paper might be one of the early ones pay for my own special Uh-huh and then I got to figure out where it's going and they go should be here and I don't know no I don't think it should it's also was a double special and it needs to be on a streamer more than a network
And I was like no I'm gonna Netflix and yeah, they like let's go blackmail them. It's crazy I got it from that perspective. No, I don't they're like hey We can't be losing power and they never really they always thought it's but it's it was not losing power because the reality is That would just bring more people to the college and Netflix back then was so much bigger to do a special when I did that 2017 special in Netflix I was the mayor of New York for like three weeks everywhere I go I mean bike at a red light three people would recognize you it was a different time for specials then and of course that was a Biggest thing I'm gonna do that. Yeah. Well, there's still pretty big Netflix. It's still pretty big, but not Jew
Specials pick it up. Oh, that's right. They picked up Jew. Yeah, it's on Netflix right now nice, but yeah And so people asked me with this show like why don't you go to Netflix or like I'm like do networks kill me Not only that I want yeah Straight to the people this why do it's like there's no reason to at this point especially like comedy central doesn't even exist in That's what's nuts. It was a wild time. You said you would host for free. Yeah, I was on the phone with you crying
I was like hearing it that they're taking it tell them I will host it for free because you were gonna take out a loan to pay off all this though all the crew because all the crew had signed on for You know X amount of episodes and was gonna cost them money And you're like I'm trying to figure out a way to keep something out go tell Tommy central I will host it for free you already it was it was 2017 this podcast was already going oh, yeah, it was huge by that yeah, but it was number one in 2019 is when it started being number one But it was probably it was pretty big for you were had pedigree on the show you've done two stories one you liked when you hated it The one you like was that great story great story. That's a great story. Don't them Alabama Yeah, and I was like, oh, he's part of the show kind of goes if someone's got to do it Let's I'll do it for free. You're saving money and getting a much bigger host. They just want to fuck you They just want to fuck anyone I suggested they said I was said I said he could do it. I said no. Yeah
I was Roy Roy was really good. But it only lasted It was over after that but that show could have gone on a long fucking time. It was such a great idea It was great execution. It was fun to do it was really enjoyed in a moment where alt comedy and the ironic distance was getting bigger Yeah, this was a more real thing. Yeah, and people responded to it I listen it just shows you the grossness of the business sometimes when these people who are just gatekeeping executive Keeping they're really saying you're not on the list. Yeah, and they don't exist anymore
That's what's that's what's most cool that you can go to Tom you can go to guy like that or whatever And he goes no, I love the show. It made me it made me bigger. Let's get it going again Yeah, yeah, and it's also like nine years later like the internet is completely taken over like it is drowned out all of those Comedy networks. They don't exist anymore Yeah, you need a some level of curation or your loss to see your content sometimes But there's people you can trust, you know if you want meditation that guy Sam Harris is that the meditation guy? You know whatever he's gonna say you're probably gonna believe in meditation was you know if you need some To hear an MMA fighter like really speaking. This is a great source for that this podcast
She needs some curator, but I mean like I'm the guy I'm not even sure I make it quality I'll make it look right you can always trust me to do that so come to me for that show was the coolest stand-up show of all time It was a fun show. It was a really good show It was a show that I remember you created from scratch. I remember doing it at the lab at the improv That tiny little room you were doing it for free. I was like, what are you doing? It's basically the same way that you were talking about to me about my podcast like what are you doing?
Show for 20 people this is so weird. I'm like are you still in stores? But I thought about it was probably a good idea to develop material that way. Oh, yeah Yeah, a lot of people was like hey, we're doing a show. It's about heartbreak this week or it's about this month Or it's about drugs whatever they go. I mean let me I have a story
Let me get all my thoughts down, you know all the metaphors and stuff that stuff flowers I put on them, but J so good at and stuff but like then they became a lot of people's like that's my closure my special now I had no bit I thought of it because of this it became you know the biggest thing I had my act It's not yeah, because I love giving people an excuse to like write something It was also such a fun show because it was comedy outside of like regular standup It was like another avenue and and it was a really fun thing to do You know and the thing about like the gatekeeping of it is like those people had nothing to do with it And they had all the power and by doing by just exercising it in that way and then everybody talking about how gross it was nobody ever trusted them again And the thing is some of the stuff they do that like we need some diversity and it'd be like I don't think you're wrong I think you don't want it to be all the same thing But there's something me and Eric Abrams can roll is it's a diversity of experience Yeah, is bigger two white dudes is not what we're talking about if it's like Ali's to D's life closer to Gary Owens life Then mine, you know Gary Owens and Ali are closer to each other than me or Gary, you know, right?
Right, right, so that's what I want different whatever and I have these checklists you would go to in LA here Or the gays get one of these seven here like and it was like well I'm gonna fuck my product Don't let you at the end of the day it has to be a meritocracy so so then we would just work harder Which a lot of people only to do and it's like well, there's a great black woman in Indianapolis She's not in LA or New York, but let's get her she has great stories this pet right There's a great black comic in Houston and he has these great stories about prison. Let's get him I'll see they're not on these lists. Yeah, you just got to work a little harder to make your shit You know, it's like I felt letting everybody shine right but it's like forced diversity without the merit without good quality Comedy, you know, but it's just gatekeepers fuck themselves really because now that we don't need them anymore Like they're they're what do those people do? Well, they're running comedy central. What do they do now?
There's no jobs well the thing is with like with a cab's overstepping that made uber possible Yeah, so let's focus on the positive and then the uber people kept robbing and murdering people Yeah, so they just got way most yeah, exactly. They'll be gone to Bro, that's a red light. Please stop. I mean they barely fucking vet those people Yeah, but the cool thing is because it's easier to film because I have friends that are fucking billionaires, you know It's like we can actually get it done. That's a good golden age for this It is to be able to make a TV show level thing on our own well look at even movies like Theo and David Spade I'm gonna fucking movie self-financed it and it's doing well. We know how much it's gonna cost. We'll do it rich. It's incredible
It's a cool time. I mean we made our budget back day one on a massive project flying in 23 comics You know putting them all up hang them all they're cutting in on the shares. We've never done that before So you're gonna do that in the next season as well? A lot of this was just a there was a hole in my in my resume where the show didn't end on the terms It should have ended on that's why it's called the end. Yeah, yeah, it's a play on words for story titles to you know like the end I like I like try to get it done right nice nice nice and then all these huge comp like Shane Gillis who when he was Like over my car was like all these guys like I want to actually do that show. Yeah, the show went away interim
He's like supplanting the field of a 76 or so But he's like I love to do that show I for people take private jets to come to the show. That's amazing. Yeah, that's amazing Fuck you. It was I'm so happy with it. It came out right everyone who's seen is like oh, this is like not just something you did This is like a TV show. Yeah, it's like I'm so happy. That's awesome. Yeah, I love it
I'm so happy to hear that dude and that's great that prologue that that guy did you should also send you a $2 off Yeah, we said we had to figure out a way You know Neil and Abrams we all like right now Like I have to figure out a way to bridge the gap of does not happen to the end and what happened everything without being too What was me and so we got this clay mission guy who was like, yeah, let's just fill it with fucking punchlines So it doesn't become that like I love Schultz, but I love Scholz but I little like it's good keep us down Like I don't want to do any of that. I don't want to be earnest right bridge the gap without without ever being serious Oh nice. Yeah, yeah, so it's like a three-minute prologue you get for free. Yeah, yeah That's what Oh, well, how do they do that?
They use a little animation. Oh, yeah, dude in a time of AI where everyone's doing these stuff He is painstakingly it takes him a day to build each one of those characters That's three-day work and then the backdrop takes another day or two And how long does it take to actually do the animation a long time all day long? So if you have notes you're like dude, I need those before I start filming this this is click move click move click move You go back and erase the stuff that you know the wires and shit to are the wires are just moving Has to be held up because it's clay would fall right right right well. There's wires in the arms. Yeah Yeah, I mean you don't necessarily have to have wires like to make it stand. What is it going on with this?
It's in that bowl. Yeah, he's making a You did a trippy red video that's really good. That's awesome. Yeah, that's cool that people are still doing stuff like that Like the old-school the way they did King Kong well Here's what I noticed to when you start talking to some of these artists You know like some of my stages like that like for America's we are what I had was like this idea Like what if we left society how long till nature would just take back over and like let's do that with plants and the first Like so expensive like I can't okay. I gotta rethink again. That's far far. I'll spend a lot but not that much out of the budget
But then you tell these people like here's what I'm trying to do Trying to say you say the whole thing like here's I'm trying to get across here's what I'm trying to say like we're too caught up in Them news and stuff and if we all just like whatever and then they go fuck dude. That's a good Okay, we can do it a cost and then him and he shep it They were both like these great artists. They're like fuck they stole your fucking show from you hold on That's fucking bullshit. I can bring my cost way down. Let's we can do this. Oh, it's very expensive
But they're like I'm gonna be part of something that's dough, you know Tarantino was like you know hold a boom Mike like yes, I would do that for you to be part of something yeah There we go. That's fucking dope dude. It's what William Child. This is Instagram account. Whoa. That's me
That is really 2010 the show is born third most vapits in America me and six comedians tell stories about psychedelic drugs Oh, we're 14 people showed up, but goddamn it was the best show I'd ever seen February and that's awesome a lot of hard work completely my own with help from no one I got a TV And that has launched the careers of so many great comments that ones who lost weight The iron is sick and wait watch this work you're in it hold on I mean After this hold on I mean I realize I go I realize I'd be a man and not just a man who would go on to tap Shane Gillis twice with witnesses by the way
And then you're in the morning I was just a fun dude. Let's have some fun I got dunked to do a theme song in the way out of his episode. Oh really his stories about taking his kids with Taylor Swift Taylor Swift concert film and how awful is he thinks she's a 15,000 year old vampire Yes, long as long as you can see it she's feeding off them. She gets bigger as they start cheering It's so funny and it's talking he's still out there and I'm like hey dunk it He does this like song he breaks down everyone over songs because it's just this I was like you know those crazy garage Band songs you make it for 25 plus years you want to do the theme song just for that episode just the yeah 100% So it's just like demonic Vampirates a tale original song And you don't think okay with the network you're like let's just do it. Hey, I was like what did you do credit?
You made up some crazy credit for his band. That's awesome. That's amazing Nobody's embraced like that kind of AI technology more than dunking He's always sent sending me things that he's working on like always Long those garage bands songs used to make those in a I know crazy Yeah, it's not said days. Yeah, it was like oh my god. Yeah, that's awesome, dude Okay, so that's it's available on our shivir.com. I should be calm each of us
I'm fine. I'm already the great calm. I want to wear people to know to find it But if it's still there you go to already the great calm doesn't take it our sphere I'm gonna want to think about me. There's no way I'm gonna pay those fees over here I know anything about me and my people I doubt I still have that but Yeah, yeah, I'm at the YMH step. I had a production card You need a production card at the end Mm-hmm This is why I'm age then aircables directed his and I was like fuck the one I was using was just still frame from this not happening Just my dick pixelated and I was like put my thing on that I hate the idea of how to produce or whatever right and I didn't have it and then we couldn't use anything with this not happening So it's like don't I was like fucking another one. I'm out from the jungle
So I told YMH is like guys You guys are all fucking idiots make me whatever production card you want and I will use it and they were like We're gonna make seven I'm like all right, and I've seen a few of them and they're all so retarded So it wasn't being a giant coin out of my fucking giant nose It's just so retarded. I love working with people I like yeah, Tom's awesome It's nice having a guy like that. It's like really just acquired an enormous amount of funds Yeah, it does whatever the fucking one fun. Yeah. Yeah, it is an effig. So it's fucking great. So out there
It's so crazy, but it's like perfect for him. It's like his mind Let's wrap this bitch up tomorrow protect our parks first my time Do I get recognized here or there when I was traveling not much? I'll tell you a couple things I saw one people know shingles name except in Brazil And then they only know Raffi boss knows his name. Oh really? That's the only comic they've heard of He's a big comic book. Yeah, I had him on the show really
Yeah, he was great good dude But I'll tell you this though There's a lot of business is shit that gets caught up in this who's interviewing with politician and what all this guys doing There's these friends with this guy and all the money and everything and like am I doing well enough people trying to do that keep up game? This guy's getting more views on his clips. I should start doing shorter stuff Anyone I told it didn't recognize me when it came up with my job was first I try to avoid it But if I kept her so like no no for real what you do I'm like all right well, I'm a stand up comedian I mean this is 10 for 10 countries everybody like what? What do you mean? I'm like I'm a stand up comedian and they go like for as a hobby I'm like no it's a living they're like what grandma come here this guy just stand like we mean with a microphone like yeah I go that's so cool. That's so cool. I mean wait just in New York and the country and the world really like what you pay your rent on this
I'm like yeah, and that's something like no fucking what they couldn't get over how cool it was and they didn't know if I'm successful Or not they just know I do this bro. We have the coolest job and I tested this in the world There's no cooler job You could tell people that they'll be like that reaction they start smiling just so that idea of the job can it actually exist And that's what we do and the high-level ones in the low that we're all doing the same shit We're all just coming up with a better dick joke to just entertain some for strangers even gay in Pulling the wall blow it into the guy just got idea for a bit. That's cool. Let me hold on right there Hold on. I'll drink you while I write it down. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, it's an amazing job. Yeah incredible. We live a very blessed life
For sure. Yeah, it's just yeah, it's just I don't know I mean yeah, it's fun to just focus on some positives and realize that nothing compared to the Keeping up with the Jones's stuff and the paying attention to the numbers I mean obviously that's easy for me to say that you shouldn't do it, but you shouldn't do it Well, there's this thing you're doing and enjoy it. It's talking about you We're really funny comic and she's like you know all these people and everybody really like she's gonna be a star and She's like all these people are getting clips as crowdwork. I don't do crowdwork And it was like well that you shouldn't do those clips your road Just gonna be a little longer than them, but don't think about it like that Like just do the shit you're good at yeah, you know and then eventually you'll get found out I mean just do whatever you do whatever you want to do let them decide No, I need to write it under 60 second bit It's got to have a punchline at 59 seconds or I can't put it on YouTube shorts Like that's a dumb way to be building your stuff. Absolutely big J does kind of crowd work that no one's every night long form crowd work with it But it's also been doing it for so long and he has that kind of personality and like easy-going style that makes it makes it You see big J at like somebody heckles it like an angry heckle not just like a one-way part of it
Like if I suck he doesn't I get worked up. He just goes. Oh, what uh what was it? You don't like like almost as if he's on mushrooms. Yeah, no, I can see that but what's Specifically I just want to know he's an easy-going guy. Yeah, you just like let's mine this for last. Yeah
Like it caught up screaming But he's also done so many shows in New York where that must happen so often you develop strategies Yeah, you're a good practice at it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah All right, that's right. You're back Legion just ganks. You're running it now that Dave Smith decided to be a political commentator Well, it's three for life. I'm not running it. I'm just part of it. Oh, it's pretty joke world
I heard that you were the leader of the Legion of Skanks. I am the leader of skanks What are you in the past? You already like you ran for president. I think you won. I think yeah, I won Do one day on one of these pockets we got to talk about the presidential election. It was a three month process of just non-stop creativity and stupidity
Well, talk about it tomorrow. Okay. Okay. Oh, yeah, okay, my president. Yeah, let's wrap this up. I love you too. It's great to see you back
Yeah, I thought about you out there. I'm like you would love Nazca lines was one of my show Rogan would love that my intemples You would love it. I want to teach you needs at once way back in the early days El Salvador. You would have loved Just like for the stuff you're into there's so much anyway. I love you too. I love you too. I love you Jamie
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