#2517 - Taylor Sheridan

The Joe Rogan experience What's going on there? So this one is for a horse I have called Maverick Buzz the Tower that won Reserve at the security And they give you a bellbuckle if you win? A bellbuckle money. That's a dope bellbuckle. Expensive bellbuckle.

So guys like you that understand horses, if you saw someone with one of those you would know exactly what that is right away. Oh yeah, and that year depending on the year I'm gonna know the horse. Like you invited, it's like you invited. I guess, I guess it's probably similar. Oh that guy won the thing in 2012 he fought someone that's the same with the horse.

It's always interesting to me how these different sort of categories of interests that people have that one person might not know anything about horses. But you're like fucking balls deep. You know, everything about horses is such an interesting pool of knowledge that people are really into horses. And they start explaining, oh this is not as simple as, oh that's a horse and that's a horse too. Like there's genetic lines and there's certain tendencies that certain horses will actually pass on to their offspring.

Oh yeah, oh there's a stallion and I really like him. I've got a number of horses by this stallion. And the spook's got a whiz and they're just incredibly balanced, really feeling very, very quick-footed big stoppers. But they see dead people, they see ghosts. So like, what?

Once every three months for no reason. This thing's gonna fucking check out. And I mean check out. Just decide, it's not safe here. We're going back to the barn.

You can come with me or I'm gonna buck your ass off or I'm gonna flip over. No, he just loses his mind. Whoa. And you never know when it's gonna happen. And his children have this as well?

Yeah. Whoa. Just a little quirk. But other than that, they're automatic. That's a big quirk.

That's like if you have a Corvette and it decides to drive home. Yeah, a little bit. Sometimes you can go to the store. We all deal with it because they're worth it. I guess.

That seems so crazy. Do you have anything that sees ghosts? I don't know what he sees. Some kind of boogeyman. A lot of them are deaf.

Really? Yeah. Why? Well, there's a gene typically if you see a horse with a white face and the white goes above the eyes, typically that horse is deaf. Wow.

And so they can't hear, but they can feel the vibrations. So like that can set one of those horses off. Does anything pounding on the ground that might be something chasing it? Yeah, I mean they're prey animals. Right, right.

Wow. The deaf thing's crazy. It has any sort of an advantage where they could sort of tune out distractions. You know, I would imagine if a horse is at a row. Yes, 100% because you know this crowd is screaming and yelling is not going to bother.

Now if they start stomping their feet, I was going to show this one horse of mine and I'm about to run in the pen and all these guys are cheering for this Italian rider and they're all beating on the side of the arena. Oh. My horse checked the fuck off. He checked the fuck off. He's like a whole earth of elephant.

Wow. I can imagine a weird that is for the horse. Like it's being told to do something, but it's instinct. So like no, you can get the fuck out of here. I can't hear anything.

That's nuts. The hearing thing, there's a famous pool player. His name is Shane Van Bonning. He's like one of the greatest pool players of all time, if not the greatest and he's deaf and he has hearing aids and when he plays, he shuts them off. He just goes click and goes into this world.

The zone just balls in geometry and just doesn't miss. Just a horrifying person to play. And because of the fact that he's got that extra sense shut off like the hearing, he can shut it off. It's not just that. I mean, he's also obsessive.

He practiced his 10 hours a day and he's all time wizard. Like he's won the US Open, which is the hardest tournament to win in all pool. He's won it five times. The funny is just not. He's only one other guy in history.

Earl Strickland. He's with the little players, like everybody, a little. But then the levels to the game, you start getting a professional pool player and they're playing a totally different game. It's a totally different game. Just watching it.

You realize like, oh my god, what am I doing? I'm hitting the ball way too hard. I don't know what I'm doing. My angles are all fucked up. This guy's playing that with English.

I would just hit it straight. They want to spin up back. It's over here. It's the control of the ball. They're a part of the...

The stick is a part of their body. The stick and the ball, they're all connected in space and time and they know where that ball is going within millimeters. It's nuts to watch. Like, see these guys, they'll hit a ball and it'll try with a nine foot table. It'll travel all the fuck away around.

It's just like a 12 foot distance and it'll go in a two inch spot and you just go fuck me. It's great. And then if you do that and you're deaf too, like you don't even hear the cheers. You just steal them as own. Just hyper focused.

Yeah, just hyper focused autism probably helps too. You have that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah, just to touch this.

I got a little I think anybody's good at anything. Anybody's good at anything either ADHD or Autistic. Yeah. They tried to give me medicine for the ADHD. Did they?

I'm like fuck no. How old were you when they tried to give it to you? Well, they did give it to me when I was a kid. Really? Yeah.

And then you're who knows. But whatever you're a little bit bottomized, right? And then fuck. And so I stopped taking it just because I was just like this. You know, and so my parents were like fuck it.

Just let him run around. My neighbors kid, they gave it to him when I lived in California. It was such a bummer. He was just wild little kid and they gave it to him and all of a sudden he was flat. Yep.

And I was like, oh, he's on medication now because he's hyper active. I'm like, oh my God, not my kid, not my place. I'm not saying nothing. I just go to work. You know, I was single back then and I was like 28 or 29.

I was just so confused. But for sure, I would have been on drugs. If my parents knew about those options, they could shut me the fuck up. If I had the wrong parent, my parents wouldn't have done it. But if I had the wrong parents, 100% of had all the traits that would have allowed me to get on the run.

It's a fucking superpower. If you understand it, it's a superpower. Yeah. If you could find something you love, people say how in the world can you write a script? Like you write all these things?

It's not that hard. Like once I know what it is, I can sit, you could sit me in an airport around a thousand people. I won't hear them. And I can sit there for 12 hours straight. Because you love it.

I just get hyper focus. But if somebody wants you to pay attention to the history of pop tarts or something. And that's the superpower. The superpower is you can find something you love and focus on it. But the way our education system is designed is so ass backwards.

You take kids that are so energetic and they have so much life and you just squeeze it out of them. Just sit still, stay put, listen to boring shit. And all day they're just fighting this desire to scream and just run out of the building and go do something fun. Wasn't the essentially what we call the modern public education system founded by a rocker feller as a means to create workers? Yep.

That's it. You're just compliant workers and soldiers. Just one of the reasons why they decided to start school so early for kids is the earlier you can start them the more you can get them to do whatever you want them to do. And the more you can get them to pledge allegiance and get really excited about this, that or the other thing. Including all the trans stuff that you see in school, all the pride stuff.

And teachers are working with preschool kids and they're talking about sexuality and you're like they're fucking sick. Like they don't know what you're talking about. Why are you even talking about that? Because you can get them early and you can program those thoughts into their mind that this is a good cause. And it could be anything.

It could be your religion. It could be your political ideology. It could be being a Christian. Being a Muslim. Whatever.

That's enough. You can talk them into doing almost anything. That's why they have child suicide bombers. They don't try to get guys in their 40s with a family to strap a vest on. They try to get kids.

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And you know what will really bake a couple of noodles is if you look at, because all these things are funded, all these non-profits and NGOs, they're off of where the money comes from. And when you look at where the money comes from and you realize, oh wait a minute, and it's been coming for 40, 50 years from these places. Qatar, for example, obviously Russia, China, all these are enemies. Donate money to all of these various groups to divide, to just eat away from the inside. Russia's been doing it since the 70s.

60s. 60s. Yeah. Yeah. Anybody who hasn't, please watch it.

It's Yuri Besmanoff and it's in 1984 and this guy is essentially describing what America is going to look like eventually and he's dead on. Just dead on. Dead on with the communism, the Marxism, the stuff in the universities, just completely poison their mind, push out any ideas of patriotism being a virtue, all the hate for America that you have, like all the division, all of it engineered. It's wild. Just look into it benefits.

That's it. It's real simple. Yeah. Just look and see who it benefits. Well, it benefits a lot of people in this country as well, unfortunately.

There's a lot of people that really love division and they can prop it off of it and they can work an angle. You know, we're with you. And this is a big part of the problem with the whole idea of nonprofits because nonprofits in theory are awesome. It's a great thing that people are willing to donate their money, like wealthy people who are doing well, say, you know what, I think my money could be best suited helping out other people. It's beautiful.

It's one of the most amazing notions about people when they can be charitable, when they don't have to be. They do it because they want to and they really want to help. Then you find out what's really going on and that the majority of the money is going to overhead and employees. Well, think about this. If I create a nonprofit to go solve, well, LA is a perfect example.

We can look at the homeless situation. Yes. And I think about all these NGOs that are getting all of this money and the problem is getting worse. It's getting better. It's getting worse.

But if I form an NGO and that's my cause and I solve the problem, what do I do with my NGO? Now there's no reason to give me money. So they don't create them to solve problems. The incentives are totally accurate. They need to exacerbate the problem, make a problem worse, make it longer, make it bigger, look how big the problem is, we need more money.

Sometimes doing a breakdown of the people that work in the homeless industry, industry, I say in air quotes in California because that's really what it is. They spent $24 billion on the homeless problem and no one can account for it. They tried to get an accounting of it. They tried to do an audit of it and knew some vetoed it. Vetoed it.

Why would you want to know? Let's stop all that nonsense and build this fucking train track to know where this never can get built. Well, they have a mile of it. They have a mile of that train. It only costs $100 billion.

Relax. Things take time. They have a fucking mile. We're trying to choose the path. How about right next to the flat fucking highway?

Everything they do sucks. How about that stupid fucking road over the highway to make sure the mountain lines are safe? It's like over $100 million still not done. And they have them, by the way, that's not a new concept. They have those throughout the West.

Yeah. They don't cost much money at all. They fix them quick. They do it quick. Yeah, they're done in a couple of months.

Yeah, pour some cement, put some sod down, plant some fucking grass, and where you go? Oh, where you go? But there, but we're applying logic to a state that doesn't use that. It's like it is as goofy as it gets. And then you think it's as goofy as it gets.

And then you hear that Portland just, okay, so this is going to be on the ballot in November. It got to know votes to be on the ballot. And this is some law that's under the guise of stop animal cruelty. Well, who doesn't want to stop animal cruelty? I certainly want to stop animal cruelty.

Let's stop animal cruelty. So what does it mean? No hunting, no fishing, no ranching, no agriculture, no animals that get harmed in any way, no killing chickens for Kentucky fried chicken, nothing, no animals die. And this is a city ordinance. The fucking Oregon is voting on this in November.

No fishing. No fishing. What are you saying? Are you fucking high? And no hunting, no ranching, ranching, you can't ranch.

You're going to kill cow? What are you crazy? That's illegal in Oregon. And here's probably sounds like a good idea to one of those people. But here's my question.

All right, so let's do it. Let's just outlaw ranching. Let's just say fucking. Well, there's 91 million cattle in the country. So what do we do with them?

You just leave them alone and let nature take its course. Yeah, but there's no nature to take its course. It's 91 million had a fucking cattle. And I can promise you this, if you outlaw me feeding them and taking care of them, I'm not going to. Then they're wandering the highway.

Yeah. And then the bulls are out? Yeah. So you're going to keep the bulls contained? No, the bulls are going to kill people.

Yeah, and make more cattle. Yeah, and make more cattle. So now we have 900 million cattle in three decades. Yeah, and fuck all your fences. bulls are going to smash them.

Bull's going to eat your grass. Bull's going to stomp your dog. What are you talking about? I can't do it. But it's not supposed to be logical.

It's all just a five man. It's not even a well thought out one. But the problem is you don't have to be well thought out to get on the ballot. You just have to appeal to certain sensibilities. And then all of a sudden people are like, oh, that would be good.

Let's stop animal cruelty. And they're probably on SSRIs anyway. It'll probably pass. Nah. They'll pass.

According to this New York Times article, it was a guy, one guy. One guy. He got 135,000 signatures and got it passed to that level. I wonder how many of our homeless people? Move to Portland from Denver, from Southern California where I'm trying to help.

Do we have a photo of this dude? I was going to show him by the way. Of course he's from Southern California. Of course he is. Of course he is.

He's a vegan. Oh, that's weird. I would have never guessed. I was a teacher. He keeps getting hurt.

I lost it. Without. That's all I was saying. I didn't frame him very well. Well, they shouldn't.

It's a crazy idea. You got Mickelson. Yeah. So it's a teacher, vegan and petitions organizer. It's to have a system where we're not killing or hurting animals anymore.

I love how he said a system. What are you talking about? What does that mean? What's the system? They're going to kill each other.

Stupid. Look at the fucking talking about. Is it somehow another less cruel when a mountain lion gets into a pan of sheep and tears him apart? Yeah. You think the chance of meeting another gay vegan were better in Portland?

Probably not wrong. Yeah. Probably a good bet. Yeah. Solid bet.

Yeah. I think we're sitting there going to Midland, Texas, Portland, Oregon, where my friends go to to Portland and take some medication. Just fucking have a good time. There we go. Hey, fella.

Oh, he's already got too much attention from us. Yeah. There's a lot of silly people in the world. And you know, like we were talking about with young people. If you get young people indoctrinated early enough to think that these silly ideas make sense, which is one of the reasons why I love that Kevin Costner moment on your show when he had explained to that vegan lady.

Oh, yeah. That's such a good moment. How cute does it have to be before you care for something that lives? Yeah. Yeah.

And what the actual, like what life gets killed when you're just talking about farming food. Yes. Just play on a field. Yeah. Just play on a field or go build a road.

Go on and destroy some fucking organisms. Go build a road. Yeah. And if you ride on those roads, you're in that system. And then there's the bees.

Like the amount of bees that die every year so we could have avocados as bananas. Bring them in from Brazil by the billions. By the billions. By the bee. And they die.

Bees and then on top of the, so it's avocados and almonds. Those are the two big ones, right? Yeah. Almonds. You know what's fascinating?

I mean, we can look it up. Almonds, the amount, it's something like 19 gallons of water is what you have to give to get one almond. Is that real? Yeah. Yeah.

We can plug. Yeah. It's fucking bananas. Oh, my dog told me almonds aren't even good for you. Well, you know what's, you said they're okay for you.

You said, but you know, there was a time in the Mediterranean where they were, but they were strictly home and it's one of the first domesticated plants and what people realize, whoever homo sapiens or Neanderthals or rivers wandering around, they're like the squirrels are eating those poisonous nuts from that tree. Huh. They're okay from this one. Not okay from that one. So they started cutting down and uprooting all the ones where the squirrels wouldn't eat.

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That's wildpastures.com slash Rogan relatively water intensive crop each month. 19 hundred gallons of water per pound. That's so crazy. And then here's my new like look, I'm a writer, right? So words matter to me.

And when we misuse them in our society, it just bothers me. Right. So all these things that we're calling milk, like almond milk. And I'm just determined to call it almond juice because that's what it fucking is. It's not even almond juice.

It's not like we're trying to eat almost. We're taking almonds, pulverizing them and brining them in water, essentially leaching out the flavor of the almond and adding a bunch of sugar and sugar. And my friend Duncan was like, dude, almond milk is good for you. You're looking how much sugar is in there. And we were on the phone and he goes, holy shit.

I go, yeah, man, that's why it tastes good. But my doctor told me I had oxalates in my diet, in my blood test. He said you're oxalates kind of high. It was you eating almonds. And I said, yeah, I get you almonds all the time.

I was like, yeah, cut back. He goes, that's where it's from. Really? Yeah. See, find out how much oxalates are in almonds.

I just listened to them. And also it's a lot of that gluten-free flour stuff. You buy a lot of that stuff. It's like almond flour a lot of the times. Right.

Almonds are high oxalate food. Eating them can raise oxalate levels that circulate, get filtered by the kidneys and appear in urine, which may increase kidney stone risk in susceptible people. Almonds contain about 296 milligrams of oxalate per 100 grams, roughly 4 milligrams per nut, putting them in the high oxalate category. Yeah. Yeah, he said they're not bad if you just have them every now and then.

He goes, but don't do it on a regular basis. Yeah. There's a lot of stuff that is high oxalates that people don't think about. They can really fuck you up. Cale, for instance.

I used to drink kale smoothies all the time until another doctor told me you really should cook the kale, cook it and then filter out whatever the water's in it. I go, really? I go, why? He goes, oxalates. He goes, you want to cook the oxalates out of them.

Really? Yeah. That's apparently what causes a lot of kidney stones with some folks. They drink a lot of those green smoothies, which I used to do every day. I used to take a bunch of kale, throw in a bunch of apples and some ginger and some garlic and blend it all up and drink at the beginning of the day.

I thought I was doing a good thing. I was just blasting your system oxalates. I was like, oh, all right. He said I'm fucking ex-broke. He said I'm bacon.

I'm like fucking bacon. I'm like, fucking bacon's better. That my journey of figuring out what to eat was a long one. It was a long one and thank God I got this podcast because I hadn't had all those conversations with people where I realized, oh, so we're, like, now the food pyramid is completely flipped, which is hilarious. But it's like I've had enough conversations where I realized, oh, all these people don't know what the fuck they're talking about and they're giving advice and it's weird.

It's weird how much bad advice there is for food and for health and for fucking filling the blinds, almost everything in our society. Our food pyramid was created by Johnson and Johnson. Yeah. Yeah. How do we get people to eat our shit in the morning and then again at lunch and then, well, the one thing that we can't control, when they talk about the one thing that we do not have is this massive industrialized meat production because there's no economic way to do it.

They do it if they could. Harris Ranch, which you probably seen off I-5 in California, the closest version of that. But what is the feed yard? Right? Where you get them together and feed cattle for 90 to 150 days before you go send them off and slaughter.

Right? That's the closest thing there is to an industrialized beef industry. Because it's a very inefficient way. It's way better to farm. Right?

It's more efficient to farm than it is to graze cattle. So you only want to graze cattle somewhere that you can't farm at the end of the day. You want to graze cattle or graze it taking protein from poor protein sources and metabolizing. Right? So graze them in real rocky terrain with native grasses that you can't farm, can't tell it.

You just can't and it needs to be eaten by something or weeds will overtake it. Yeah. Grass grows better when it's being grazed. And so there's no way to industrialize that or centralize it. The most centralized it is is at the packing house.

Right? And so it's a very important way to make a major packing house. The control 90% of the beef industry. And that's starting to change. COVID was extremely helpful for the smaller farmer and rancher to sit there and get their product out.

Right? And find small, they start popping up. People have opened these USDA facilities that don't process 800, had a cattle an hour. They maybe do 50 or 50 day. And now people can go there because they're a USDA facility.

They can buy beef directly from them, buy it from the rancher. Right? And you can control where your food's coming from. As opposed to what was happening, where you get a bunch of, if you're going to go get a burger, eat in some Australian killer bowl, right? For the most part, or something from Brazil.

You're not eating something that you want to eat. When you go to a nice steakhouse, the steaks there are, they're going to come from most likely Texas, Iowa, Nebraska, Montana. There's select areas where people are spending that kind of attention and time to raise that kind of quality of beef. Right? And it's being done by smaller ranchers.

It may be a big ranch, but it's still operated by relatively few people. You know, four sixes is 300,000 acres, but there's 12 cowboys. Wow. 50,000 boys for 300,000 acres is nuts. How do they keep track of everything?

I mean, we break it down into pastures, and then you have, and then the pastures fall under the terminology is this. Let's say, oh, if you're in Guthrie, there's a camp and we call it South Camp. It's in the South, and it's responsible for 50,000 acres. Right? We just broken down into multiple pastures that are between seven and 10,000 acres.

There's one big pasture in that camp that's like 14,000 acres. And so then you have North Camp. We call, then we have camps around the town, Little Town of Guthrie. So you break it down into the responsibility of each cowboy's somewhere between 35 and 50,000 acres. Wow.

That's a hell of a responsibility. Yeah. It's a lot of work, man. What's really interesting about your shows, particularly Yellowstone, it got people really attracted to the idea of brutal hard work as being romantic. Yeah.

People really identified with those guys on Yellowstone that were just so dedicated to that ranch, so dedicated to busting their ass, and working all day on hard fucking work, and then just hanging out together afterwards. And there's something about that life that's so simplistic and romantic to people that it just really resonated with so many people. They didn't even know that they liked that. Well, it's uniquely American. And the amount of freedom that is so we move somebody out to South Camp, and we go, OK, so here you are.

Here's your house to South Camp. See you in a week or so. Go figure it out. Keep track of the cattle. And you give them string horses, and they work their horses, and they ride that property.

They know every inch of it. And we don't have weekly corporate meetings. How do they get supplies? Is that the house stocked in advance? Yeah, go to town.

Town's, which is an endeavor. Town's 90 miles away. So you go to town once a week. Stock up. You're going back.

Wow. But it's not crazy life. And people, not every, this isn't true of every cowboy. There's plenty of cowboys that typically they grow up on that ranch, and that's the life that they know, and that's what they want to do. But they still go off to college.

Almost every one of my cowboys has a ranch management degree. They went to school to study. What's a good school if you want to be a cowboy? I mean, there's quite a few in Texas Tech. I mean, that's a phenomenal ranch program.

A bunch of the guys on the sixes went there. T.C. has a ranch management program. I go to Texas A&M. We have vets that live on the ranch.

Obviously, we breed a ton of horses. And so our vets are called out of state. Excellent veterinary school for large annual vets. Obviously, Texas A&M is a phenomenal school of Texas tech as well. Those are.

Dude, how the fuck do you pay attention to everything? You're running a gigantic ranch, and you have about 48 TV shows. How the fuck do you do it? I don't understand it. Every time a new Taylor Sheridan show pops up, I say to my wife, I go, how the fuck is he doing this?

Like, where does he have this time? Part of it is, if you think about it, so my crew, my core crew, is the same crew I made Wind River with. Like, when we had no money. I remember one time I'm on the top of a mountain with me and my first AD and my DP, Ben Richardson. And there's not a producer.

We haven't seen anybody in a week. And I looked at, we're freezing our asses off at 7 below 0 in Northern Utah. And I'm like, guys, you know, we could just fuck off the Hawaiian. Nobody would know for a while. We have their money.

They don't know. They don't actually know where we are. They're just trusting that we're going to make this movie, which we did. And it was incredibly difficult. But that's the same team that went over and did Yellowstone, which is then the same team that went up and did Mary Kingstown with me.

And then 1883, 23, Linus, Landman, all of them. And we've promoted from within. I've got PAs that are now first ADs. I've got camera operators that are now directors. So we promoted from within.

So everyone understands the way we do it. And it's so freakin' efficient. We don't ever have. And you know, because you've been in this industry forever, these people will have meetings upon meeting, upon meeting. They'll have a tone meeting, where a whole bunch of people are going to sit around and talk about the tone of the script.

What do you read the fucking thing? You should have a meeting about it? I don't know. We don't have a meeting about it. And then they'll have a, and this is also networks.

They love this shit so that they can have a reason for their existence, right? Right. And it's middle management people. And they want to do a prop show and tell. Or someone's going to come show them all the props that we're going to use.

Really? Well, we don't do that shit. Because I'm like, I need your permission to use which bick lighter I'm going to use in this fucking scene. How about I just make the decision? And how about we use the same bick lighter in all these fucking shows, and I don't ever have to pick a bick lighter again.

How about that? So we just streamlined it and made it towards so efficient. Typically, a TV show will start up. And they'll prep for 12 weeks before they start filming. We doin' four.

Wow. Well, that makes sense. When they first start out, and it's chaos. And there's a lot of network involvement, and there's a lot of bullshit. But then once it gets going, they go, oh, you guys know what you're doing.

Yeah. Leave me alone. Yeah. We're there from the beginning now. That's beautiful.

We haven't missed. You don't miss. Right. Well, it's like, you don't miss. Like, you don't miss with the writing.

You don't miss with the storylines. Like, you don't have any duds, man, which is incredible. It's an incredible accomplishment to have that many fucking shows. And all of them be good. And all of them be, you know, like very addictive.

Lamb man, so addictive. It's that show. It's about something very serious. And then I can just throw shit at it. Yeah.

Let's just take a bunch of old people to a strip club. Billy Bob is fucking awesome. He's a genius. I love that guy. He's so good on the show.

It's like it was made for him. It was made for him. I mean, he's done so many things. I went to Billy Bob before I wrote a word. And I told him, I said, if you don't do this, I'm not going to do it.

Because I'm not going to chase my tail. He goes, well, what is it? I said, I want to do. I said, basically, I want to take your character from Bad Santa and put him in West Texas and run a little company. He goes, you want the guy from Bad Santa to run a little company?

I said, that's what I want. He goes, that sounds fucking awesome. Yeah. Well, it's educational, too. I mean, a lot of people have no idea how the oil business works.

And you watch that show. You're like, oh, Jesus Christ, what a crazy job. It's an insane job. And the other thing about it is we're so completely dependent upon petroleum in every single aspect of our lives, so completely dependent upon it. And we can debate how bad it is or isn't.

And we're not debated. The reality is we don't have an alternative. It does not exist. It simply doesn't exist. And we can sit there and say, well, when did this know?

You sit down with any climatologist and any engineer. They're going to tell you our best hope for a replacement of petroleum fuels is cold fusion. And we're 30, 40 years from it, being something that we can rely on and reduce little nuclear reactors, like itty biddies, like the size of this coffee pot. OK. When I sell my business, I want the best tax and investment advice.

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That sounds fucking good. Having a really good nuclear power plant for a city is an awesome idea. Having everyone have their own nuclear power plant sounds fucking crazy. You know, how many assholes are going to cut into that thing? Well, people still put fucking metal in microwaves.

So I don't think we should be giving it. I'm like, I'm back to the really big. There's people that leave their fucking gas on so that someone can die in the house. We don't have nuts. People are nuts.

If you literally have consumer level nuclear power plants, not with these monkeys. Not with the human beings that we are today. Our current form. We're not enlightened enough to have personal nuclear power plants in our house. Oh, fuck.

Yeah. So we're dependent upon it. That's why we're in Iran right now. Oh, yeah. Also because of Israel.

But I mean, we're in Iran. I mean, the whole thing about it is the oil. And the straight up form moves. It's like, I think it's 40% of the world's oil supply passes through there. Yeah, Christ.

No, that's, and I think also China. It's a big play against, it's a chess piece against China. That's what I think. Yeah, all of it's fucking terrifying. And I'm not saying we shouldn't have, or we shouldn't have, I'm not commenting politically.

But what those guys, those SF guys did in Venezuela was fucking gangster. It's crazy. Whether I'm not saying they should or shouldn't. I'm just saying. Right.

The team was sent. And then the team. I mean, can you imagine? If I wrote it in a movie, people would go, that's fucking ridiculous, Taylor. Right.

We don't have a tech yet. You're going to fly a bunch of SF dudes drop them off on the roof of this high rise surrounded by the fucking Cuban Special Forces. And they're going to kill all of them. And then they're going to fucking snatch him and his wife. Go back to the roof and just fucking fly away.

That's what they did. And they're going to do it with sound. They're going to disable everyone with a sound weapon. What? Do you remember when they first started talking about that Havana syndrome, where it's missing?

This is bullshit. This is bullshit. No, they're talking about people that are in Havana, they've been targeted, something zapped them. Low-level frequencies that made them nauseous. And I think that is a fraction of whatever they unleashed in Venezuela.

Who knows? The discombobulator. That's what it's called. A classified secret weapon system. President Donald Trump claimed US forces used during the January 3rd operation to capture of Venezuela and President Nicolas Maduro.

He stated that the weapon successfully disabled enemy equipment and air defenses, preventing them from firing back. So it both, it disables the people and it disables their weapon system. What? That's amazing. What the fuck are we doing?

Official silence. When asked for specific technical or operational details about how the device functions, Trump famously told New York Post, I'm not allowed to talk about it. It says they press buttons. They claim the defense forces press buttons and nothing worked. Disabling both Russian and Chinese made rockets and radar.

If weapon affected both mechanical equipment and personnel, he also referred to a sonic weapon being used against Maduro's Cuban security detail inside a heavily fortified fortress. Fuckin' amen. I would love to see what that looks like. You know, I bet they have video too. I bet they have video too.

All we're in GoPros. I'd love to go into a skiff to show you the video. I won't say no. I want to see what it looks like. I want to watch.

What's it look like when somebody gets zapped by sound and gets fully disabled? Like apparently they just fell with the ground and agony that couldn't move. Yeah. And they just went in and shot him. And then some freakin' SF snipers just freakin' on top of that, just raining down on him.

It's crazy. Like that guy thought he was safe. Crazy. There's a famous video of him saying, come and get me. Oh yeah.

Be careful. What bear you poke. Also, it's like none of us know what the tip of the spear technology in weapon systems is available right now. We don't know. They don't tell us.

They don't tell us. Obviously, no one knew this fuckin' discombobulated thing existed. This is science fiction. Right? But this was 20 years ago.

You'd be like, that's not a real thing. But now you're like, oh shit, they used it. And not just a concept. They fuckin' used it. What are they cooking out in the desert in the middle of Nevada?

Who knows? Yeah, I think about this. For that to be used, there's something for generations past that. 100% is there playing with them. Yeah, 100%.

Like when they start talking about UAPs, all of my bullshit alarms go off, all of them. It's like, I don't believe if you knew things you would tell us. So I don't believe you're telling us the truth. I think they have some special access programs that they've been working on for decades and decades and some super high level shit that involves some sort of novel propulsion system. And they have that stuff flying around the sky.

And I think that's what a lot of people are saying. That's what a lot of people are saying. That doesn't discount the idea that there's something else out there because I think there is. But I think there's a giant chunk of the shit that people are seeing in its hours. Yeah.

Testing. Yeah. Testing. Do we need stuff with it? If there was an intelligent life form that had stumbled upon our barbaric asses, why would they not go, hey, guys?

Fire up that fucking missile and take it. We found this blue planet. We got to get rid of this thing. Well, I think maybe every intelligent species that's tribal and territorial has to go through an adolescent period of their evolution. And if you look at human history, I was reading about Vlad the Impaler last night.

Jesus Christ. How many of the Ottoman Turks that got killed and his famous methods of putting people on posts and separating them down the line on the road so that as these poor guys are traveling to go and fight him, they just see the enemy stuck on skewers. And in geometric patterns and shitty, we do them in like stars and stuff. So he was a vicious motherfucker. And he's the motivation behind or the inspiration behind Dracula.

And I was reading about that guy. I'm like, fuck people have always been awful. They've always been awful. But they just like, as time goes on, they get a little less awful. A little less.

Like we're a little less awful now than we were during Nazi Germany. Not totally great. Not collectively. Right. We're still willing to do genocide.

Some of us are. But it's less approved. It's less more people are horrified at it. It's like human beings are getting a little bit better. It's not as quick as we'd like.

I think if I was an alien life-form, I would say you have to wait this out. It's like if you have a kid, you've got to let the kid fall down and stumble. You've got to let him get hurt. You've got to let things happen. You've got to let him fuck up and figure it out himself.

You've got to figure this out. Make it right. You fuck this up. You've got to give him a chance to become better. Right.

I think it's a civilization. I would think the same thing would apply. You have to give this civilization time to evolve and adapt and get past where it's at right now. And I don't think you do that by intervening and grabbing us by the hand and showing us the way. I think what you do is you hang back and make sure that we don't nuke each other.

We do that with personal on-goings and just let human being slowly but surely evolve. Yeah. That's what I would do if I was an intelligent life-form observing people. The interesting thing that we're as a civilization facing now and it's always happened in some capacity when a society gets wealthy, really wealthy. And people start to question wealth.

And how can we be more equitable? And it comes across like compassion but it really comes down to a debate of what is more valuable to a society? Is self-determination more valuable or is equity more valuable? By equity what I mean is everyone gets exactly the same shit, everyone. So you take them off them, we're not on a monetary society anymore.

Now you're working for the collective, and you're hearing that word from a lot these days. The problem with working for the collective is who decides who picks up the trash? And who decides who gets to go represent your nation at the Olympics, who gets to decide who gets to, is someone going to let me go make TV shows? Which by the way, I wouldn't do for free. It's too fucking hard.

So now I want to do it. Well then you've got to go do this, I won't do that either. And that's the problem. And then they force you to do things. And then how they do that.

And so then guns. So then you either have self-determination, or in your attempts to be collective, you have to surrender that. And then you're surrendering it to who? And now you have a dictatorship, no matter what the fuck you thought you had. It always comes back to that.

You can look at Marxism and Leninism and what Lenin was talking about, his hopes, whether they were his hopes or not. But it devolved into a authoritarian regime very, very quickly. And communism, socialism, fascism, Nazism, they're all very, very similar. The differences are superficial, as you can, that they're just superficial variations between the exact same thing, which is the evil of the collective. The evil of collective and human beings desire to control their people.

They love to. And anytime you give them a chance where they can feel righteous about controlling people, they jump at it. And they have an opportunity to classify people. There's good people and bad people. The bad people, you can do whatever you want to them.

They're the other. And that happens with every time groups get into power like that and tell you what you can and can't do. And you're seeing that being embraced, shockingly, more and more all over the world. Because people are embracing more government power and more government control. And it's really crazy.

It's really crazy to say. It's unique. I think that number one, I think in 30 years when they look back, we're still suffering from a society from COVID, still. And not so much from the disease itself, but from our faith in the institutions around us, whether it's government, whether it's the media, whether it's pharmaceutical companies. And the way that it was manipulated to gain power for a political group, and it was effective, and so when something's effective, then people just keep doing the same thing.

And so it's no longer effective. We did that in our military with the winds, hearts, and minds. That all comes from Japan. We're going to win the hearts and minds of Japanese. Well, the Japanese surrendered.

Like their emperor, who they looked at as a god, he told the people of Japan after we dropped two freaking nuclear bombs on him, hey, we are going to endure the un-durable. We are going to surrender. It's the only way that we can salvage our nation. So they willfully surrendered. And then our government goes, look how great this hearts and minds is working.

It's not working. It's not working at all. And then they tried it in Vietnam. They tried it everywhere else that we've had a conflict. We tried it.

And it hasn't worked yet because what it was based on was flawed, right? Because they chose to be subjugated at that time. And making that choice kept them in divination. So our government, it's so dangerous what we're seeing. You can like Trump or not like Trump.

People are going to like presidents and dislike presidents. But now it defines the rule of law because he happens to be the head of the federal government and openly defying the federal government. The repercussions of that are going to be, okay, fine, you can't stand this man. You think he's a terrible president and you're not going to follow his laws. But that's the new normal now.

So when a president gets in that you do support, then the other side, because we've established this president, they're just not going to follow his laws here. And now we've eroded the rule of law. And then what happens? The slippery slope is very dangerous. I mean, I was saying that when the ICE raids were going on because I was like, okay, I am not in favor of illegal criminals being in this country.

However, we're setting a very alarming precedent where you have masked militarized police with no ID that are running around the cities, snatching people up. This could set a precedent that could be used by the left. If they get into power for something different than this being just for ICE, we've already accepted the idea of militarized police on our streets and that people with seven weeks training, you're just sending them out to snatch up people and a lot of American citizens are getting caught up in that trap too, unfortunately, and then they have to get released. That could be bad if the next party gets in.

So if the Democrats get in next and they decide, maybe there's a new COVID strain happens. Some new pandemic happens, whatever the fuck you don't get the vaccine, they're going to rescue and then they start the same. Yes, we saw it in, I think it was Minnesota, whoever they had the National Guard on the streets, but they had people enforcing lockdowns. And so they had people walking down the streets with fucking guns, yelling at people to get in your house over a cold. Like this, these kind of slippery slopes, you might think, no, we're just trying to get rid of the bad immigrants.

I get it. I'm with you. I agree. However, the way they're doing it, doing it, I'm not even saying there's another way or a better way. I'm just saying, you want to get them out all at once?

Yeah, that's the way to do it. You want to get them out quick? Because they got them in quick. You're right. They opened the fucking border.

They helped people get in. But now that they're in, if you're going to get them out that way, you're setting a weird precedent. You're setting a precedent that could be used in other ways. The challenge is, okay, we need to enforce the law or don't have them. They've enacted new laws.

These are the same immigration laws that were on the books. When Obama was president and the same rules, it's the methodology. And you got to sit there and weigh the pros and cons of the pros of trying to eradicate this issue. You can't give it a deadline. It's slippery.

It is slippery. And again, it's what's good for the goose, it's good for the gander. These politicians right now who are doing all of us a tremendous service in Washington, I feel, are elected officials because they're not thinking beyond this next election. And maybe they never have. They never have.

But they were better at hiding it, maybe. I think there's no internet. But it's true. I think that's what it is. There's no social media.

But I think we've reached a point as politicians talk about eliminating the Electoral College. They talk about eliminating the filibuster, eliminating packing courts, all these things because their side's not in power. And so we're just going to take the structure of the government and totally rework it to benefit us temporarily. But then those same benefits that you have now will be used against you. They will 100% be used against you.

I think the most important legislation that we can pass right now is term limits. I think 12 years pops in Congress. And I think probably 12 years in the Senate, 26 year terms in the Senate. That's more than enough time. That's a lot of fucking time.

That's enough. We don't need anyone else. I mean, I don't know how it's become how the fuck is Nancy Pelosi with $400 million? How the fuck? Why?

She gets in on all these fucking IPOs. Exactly. I think that's the reason that allows Visa to go public and then she's going to get a big chunk of it. And then when she's confronted about it, look a reporter down the aisle and fucking line one. I don't know what you're talking about.

I didn't do that. We know you did it. We could look at how much stock you own. Yeah. Fucking liar.

Yes. People are calling out ROCON to that. Fucking rich. Everyone's getting rich. They get paid $175 grand a year and they're all fucking millionaires.

Super millionaires. They're all like, she's intensely wealthy. That's almost half a billion dollars. That's nuts. That's nuts.

That's nuts. Yeah. It's insanity. And it's, you know, that's what we're used to. We know it's bad and we just accept it.

And people are busy and they have families and mortgages and shit to deal with. And so they complain and they keep on trucking. Yeah. I mean, I have, as we discussed, I have other jobs. I don't have a pile of time to dedicate to, it's tough for me to talk politics because I don't have hours in my day to sift through what's real and not real on Instagram or social, whatever.

I'm not on that shit. But I can't, it's hard to form an opinion because I don't know it. I don't know where to go to get honest news. I'm not the news. I know that.

I can't turn on the fucking news because they fucking been lying to us. They stop being imparted over there. But I know that, I remember there was a guy, I was a kid, he was running for president. His name was Jack Kemp. I remember Jack Kemp.

And I want to say it was Dan Rather, it may not have been, it may have been some other newscaster. And there's a debate amongst all these different potential candidates for president. And as he's introducing all of these various politicians, he's saying so. So Harvard graduate and law professor from here and this former senator and this and that and the other and this person here and they get to Jack Kemp and he goes back up quarterback and born again Christian Jack Kemp. Wow, you just sunk that dude.

Everyone else you gave what their jobs were and talked about their accomplishments of this. You just said he didn't start a quarterback and he's you call that his religion dude. And that's the first time I ever remember, I'm like I know your opinion. I'm not supposed to know your opinion. You're supposed to be giving me news.

You're supposed to be giving me honest, unbiased information so I can make a decision and you're making a decision for me or trying to. And they've gotten so as news became entertainment. I mean CNN's the worst thing that ever happened to news because it's 24 hours and now all of a sudden there's not 24 hours worth of news all the time. There is during the war, right? You can show us news, you know, war footage the whole time and talk about the war and why war and why no war but when there's not, you got to make some shit up or push an opinion and that's where we've gotten with news now.

Now it's news is piss them off and scare the shit out of them. That's how we keep them watching. And it's the business model. It is now. And it's also piss them off and scare the shit out of them but ignore certain things that your sponsors wouldn't like you to talk about.

This is why, you know, Tulsi Gabbard and her final act as director of national intelligence that she's leaving, she had that she gave that press number about Fauci and she talked about how he lied in front of Congress and that he absolutely used American tax funds to fund, gain function research through EcoHealth Alliance and to the Wuhan Lab in Wuhan, China. And you know, no one's covering it. This episode is brought to you by Visible. How many of you are currently listening to this podcast on your phone? If you are chronically online, like most of us are these days, your wireless network should be too.

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No. And by the way, didn't we all know that already? Well we knew it but my parents didn't. You know, people that just like read the newspapers and watch TV, they don't know. I've never seen anything as flagrantly obvious as COVID coming from the Wuhan lab studying COVID.

Right. I've never, you've got fucking news anchors keeping a straight face saying it came from the wet market. Do you ever see John Stewart's bid on it? No. He did on the Colbert show?

No. You never saw it? No. Oh, we need to play it. Let's play it because it's so funny because Colbert tries to like stop him from doing it and push back and John, he's a great comic.

He just gets up from his chair and gets louder and just plows through it. Really? Over Colbert's like trying to cock block his bit. He's like, it's like it's a funny bit and he's getting the way off. Like I see if you have information on that, I'd like to see it.

And he just keeps going and he keeps plowing away. It's very funny and it's in the middle of it. Right. He was a, this was a courageous step because he was doing this when calling it out and saying that it came from a lab and Wuhan China was somehow or another conflated with racism. Remember that?

Yeah. If you said it came from Wuhan China from a lab, you're racist. Yeah. Like how did you pull that off? Like how did you say anything?

It's racist. It's from fucking China and it seems like eco health alliance funded and it seems like we funded eco health alliance. Yes. There's a lot of fucking paperwork. And by the way, there's studies on the fucking disease that they've been doing that are posted on the CDC website.

They're posted on the fuck. My favorite was when you catch all the shit about Ivermectin and literally when that happened, I went, oh, look at that. Look at Ivermectin and studies with Ivermectin and a study pops up on the CDC website while people are telling us to not take that shit. And it talks about the efficacy of Ivermectin and antiviral properties specifically COVID-19. So it's on the government website that the fucking drug works while they're telling everyone to not take it.

And they're mocking me for taking the worst team. Yes. Watch this. This is great. You stop because he still wants to put out that establishment position.

I'd like to see evidence if you've got any evidence. Yeah. Well, wild times in the news because I think from then on that sort of shockwave through the majority of the population where just whatever trust they had in the news just got severely eroded. Yeah. And if we don't have good news, if we don't have trust in the news, then we're kind of a drift and then you get locked into fucking conspiracy theories and eco chambers online and you can get trapped in them too.

And that's not good either. Yeah. Then there's nowhere to go get information. Has anybody in NBC, CBS, CNN, have any of those people picked up on that Tulsi Gabbard speech about Bauci and had any sort of a reaction to it? I'd like to know that because from what I was reading online, none of them had.

But this was as of yesterday. I don't know whether or not that's changed. I don't know if they were preparing an article and they wanted to make sure they got all their ducks in a row. I would think pretty much any time the head of an institute is begging for a pardon when he hasn't been charged with any crime. It's pretty good indicator.

You might want to look and see if there's been a crime committee. Is he begging for a pardon? Yeah. Fauci was like he had an attorney. He's just in part of that deal.

He had attorneys reaching out to Biden's camp the last day when he got the pardon. Geez. The very last day. Geez. It's just a preemptive pardon is nuts, especially when Rand Paul's questioning him and he's talking him about specifically about what defines gain of function research.

And by all account, by every definition, it's gain of function research. And Fauci's still saying you do not know what you are talking about with all due respect. Even though he's a doctor. Yeah. Rand Paul's a fucking doctor.

And then they say, well, you're an eye doctor. Well, that's my specialty. But before I became an eye doctor, I became a general doctor, which means I studied all the same shit that Fauci studied. You got to go through medical school before you go pick a specialty. So four years of studying the entire body before you specialize in whatever you're going to specialize in.

Well, it's also then if you read RFK Jr's book, the real Anthony Fauci, you'll find out he ran this exact same playbook during the AIDS pandemic. It was the exact same playbook. That's what the Dallas Buyers Club is about. The Dallas Buyers Club, that McConhey movie about AIDS, the fucking villain is Anthony Fauci. He's the guy that's stopping them from getting alternative medications.

That's the guy that wanted everybody to take ACT. You know why? Because ACT had already been approved. They already used it as a cancer medication. It was a chemotherapy medication that they stopped using because it was too deadly.

It was killing people quicker than cancer was killing them. So the first medication they gave people when they had an immune system that was compromised was a chemotherapy medication that was killing people. And they were giving it to people that were asymptomatic. They were giving it to people that tested HIV positive. And then you know about the PCR testing.

So the PTR says, Kerry Mullis, the guy who invented PCR testing, said publicly about Fauci does not know what the fuck he's talking about. I don't think he said fuck, but he does not know what he's talking about. And then it's not supposed to be used to detect a disease in a person's body. And then if you ramp up the cycles long enough, just like they did with COVID where we got some by some estimations, 80% false positives because the PCR method because they were ramping them up so high. And so they cut it back quite significantly and that reduced the amount of false positives they had.

But there's a lot of people that got tested as HIV positive that probably weren't and they put those fucking people on AZT and AZT kills you. Wow. Yeah, nuts. Most mainstream outlets are treating it as a serious but unproven political bombshell. They're reporting that gabbard alleges what gabbard alleges stressing the documents are disputed and under review and highlighting how polarized the reaction is.

Mainstream print, Jerusalem Post, money control, Newsweek, summarize our accusations, emphasize that COVID's origins remain unresolved and note that the claims about Fauci sparking COVID or lying under oath are heavily contested, not yet legally validated. Many stories frame this as reigniting a long running fight over lab leak versus natural origin. At least that fight is over kids. That fight's over. If you're saying, if you are in the news and you are saying that there's still a long-running controversy as to whether it's a lab leak or natural origin, shut your fucking dirty whore mouth because it's not.

There's the fight's over. It's a fucking lab leak. They say the new documents will need independent scrutiny from Congress, investigators and scientists before any firm conclusions can be drawn. Okay. Rightly media highlight her file dump as vindication for critics, focus on the cover-up narrative and give prominent space to Republicans like Rand Paul.

Why is it more centrist or mainstream outlets presented as a straighter news tone often pairing gabbards and GOP's quotes with Fauci's past denials and nothing there is so far, no judicial finding, a perjury or criminal conduct. What I've never understood is how this became a left or right issue. So stupid. When Fauci, who's a career bureaucrat, through, I mean, when all this started, there was a Republican president. Right.

And then he served that Republican president. He served the Democratic president before that and before that. And then he served a Republican president. He's been there for fucking 50 years. Yeah.

This dude, it's not political. It shouldn't be political. There shouldn't be a right left side of this. It's, hey, a career bureaucrat fucking lied to us. He used the exact same language when he was talking about AZT as a medication for HIV that he used for the COVID vaccine.

The reason why it's the only medication is because it is both safe and effective. Guys, a monster. So literally, like he's one of those guys, like throughout history where you're going to look back over time and you go, holy shit, this one guy's lies, this one guy's aspirations, this one guy's career fucked so many people over. Yeah. And I don't understand why Democrats would want to fall in that sort of there's no reason to align.

Because people are stupid and they just decide that because a Republican is a president and anything the Republicans are pushing has to be bad. And that stupid fucking division, it's so silly. It's so silly. It really is because the same people during Trump's presidency were openly saying, are you going to trust a vaccine that's created under Trump? They were all saying it.

Kamala Harris said it, a bunch of joy reads that they all said it. And then they bet their entire political livelihoods on it. We deserve better. We really do or we don't. Maybe we don't.

We fucking think they're good. We're so silly. Such a fucking silly group of human beings. That's fucking wild. Not all of us though.

I think less of us now. I think it's going to be way harder to divide people the way they divide it everybody in 2020. It'll be way harder now. I think most people are just not buying it. And as long as people wake up to this left versus right nonsense, it's really just a big fucking hustle to keep you fighting with each other.

Oh, for sure. Oh, for sure. Most of it. Even the ice stuff that we're talking about. Hey, folks, do you think it's a coincidence that the biggest fucking ice protests were all going on in the same place where they found all that fraud?

These organized massive protests were all occurring in the same place where that Nick Shirley cat found fucking billions of dollars in fraud. Shocker! Did it pass? Didn't California pass a law? And Nick Shirley Law to prevent that.

That's specifically that guy from fucking poking around California. Yes. What I'm referring to is the Nick Shirley Law. The idea is to keep people from investigating fraud, which is outlandish. That is outrageous.

That is a crazy thing to emphasize. And the thing is, well, these people are showing up at daycareers and looking in, right, they shouldn't. You're right. 100%. 100% of it.

But people, random people from the internet should not be showing up at daycareers with cameras. I agree. However, when there's no one in that daycare for years and years and years and they can prove that fucking millions of dollars are being earned by that daycare and there's no one in there is a little weird. Isn't there a... It's not fully passed into law.

Not yet. There's a video of that kid walking up to one of these and these dudes get out and drive off and they're fucking Bentley's. I don't know if those are real. There's a bunch of fake videos that were made by people afterwards that were just capitalizing on people wanting to click on something like that. So they were just engaged when farming by pretending like the guy would show up and they'd go, what are you talking about?

I have no idea what is bad acting and they get in a Rolls Royce. It's bullshit. It's seen my bullshit to me. I mean, I'm sure a bunch of those guys made a bunch of money and I'm sure there is a lot of fraud. It's just like they're admitting it.

Minnesota is admitting it. They knew it was going on forever. And then how about the fact that there's certain politicians that voted against this idea. So one of those ladies that was killed, there was a lady and her husband that were murdered in Minnesota and she was one of the few people that voted against providing Medicare for illegals. They were trying to pass on Bill involving Medicare and illegals.

She was one of the ones that voted against it. She was killed. The guy who killed her said that Tim Walts sent him to kill them. Now I don't know if he's full of shit. He's a fucking crazy person.

He's a murder. He's a mask on and fucking shot them dead and shot a couple other people too. He's obviously fucking cracked out, but kind of weird. Kind of weird that the lady who wants to vote against this obvious fraud, this money that's being somehow another funnel around through Medicare, one of the things that Elon said when he was on the podcast is that Medicaid and Medicare fraud is one of the biggest fucking problems. And he was looking into a doe, she goes, I almost don't want to talk about it because I don't want to get killed because it's not bad.

And this was before all this Nick Shirley shit. And now you're seeing it. And you're like, oh, now I get it. These hospices that they have, these fake hospices in California. And then all the Somali daycare centers and all the different things.

These people just make autism. The autism diagnosis went through the fucking roof because now they can have these autism centers so they just diagnose their kids as autistic. And then they're raking in all this money for treatment. It's crazy how much fraud there is. Hundreds of billions of dollars.

And just what a shocker that that's the place where the big ice bro test broke out. People forget that when Obama was president, he made a big public statement about going after government fraud. They were aware of it then. I mean, they've been aware of it for it's always take a place. But on the scale and he tried and he caught resistance to the point that he wasn't in able to do his version of a doge, which was his intention.

He gave a big public speech about it and tried to look into it. And he's, if you're stealing hundreds of billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars, what wouldn't you do to protect that? Exactly. And that was Elon's point. And also that money for sure makes its way into democratic coffers and probably Republican too.

And whoever the fuck is going to be. Whoever's in a. Whoever's in a. Who's ever going to help out? Who ever wants a piece of this pie?

It's a juicy ass pie. It's a hundred billion dollar pie. Come get something. That'll almost bill you a real system in California. You get a mile a track.

Second. Googled bridge. Fucking car sales. But have you had that guy on? No, he wants to be on.

He talks a lot of shit about me. First he's saying Joe Rogueson, fan of me, but I'm a big fan of him. He was like saying all this. Does he have his own podcast? Yeah.

Because that state is running so well. He's the governor doesn't. He's a governor. It's so smooth. If you ask him, he'll tell you.

He'll tell you how awesome. He'll give you stats. He'll give you stats. He'll give you stats. He'll give you stats.

He'll give you stats. Specifically people are moving there in record numbers. Yeah. That's not true. That's not true.

I mean it's not true. It's not true. It's not true. It's not true. The US government.

San Francisco has always been an incredible tech hub of geniuses. There's always been a bunch of super wizards up there that are creating some of the best technology in the world, and that has nothing to do with it. There's zero to do with him and all these problems that their in-ev government has caused, because that's the real problem with him as a governor. It's a real problem with Karen bass, as mayor. It's a real problem with whatever the fuck happened to San Francisco.

It's bad. Government. It's not upholding the rule of the law, not keeping people safe. Being empathetic to people that are shooting up on the street over people that are trying to walk their fucking kids to school. Yeah.

Like what you're doing is bad for society. that for the most part, for the most part, if you are the mayor of the city. And when I was writing Yellowstone, the governor of Montana at the time, who was the Democrat? I called him and asked him, I said, hey guys, talk to you about what it's like to be a governor. What do you think it would be and what it turned out to be?

And what he said was, Steve Bullock was the same. He said, well I thought I was going to, make all these changes and do this and share for this. And I learned that I am the CEO of the state and that my job as the CEO of the state is take care of the people who live in the state, the employees of the state, attract business here, attract tourism here, and try to make the state make more money and make lives better. That's my job, infrastructure and city management and people management and tourism, that's my job. And to a, even more acutely to a mayor, you're really the president of the city of the city.

And your job is, keep the lights on, pick up trash, put out the fires, be able to sewage, keep it safe. Like that's it, there's no social, anything, secondarily, possibly, but run the schools, like run the city. And you have in a lot of these big urban areas where they're so agenda driven and they're pushing a social agenda and they're not running the cities. They're not running them at all. And so they're running into the ground.

And it's tragic to see, because San Francisco, like you said, is a beautiful city. LA used to be in a place where you could go and make your dreams come true. San Francisco was awesome 10 years ago, just 10 years ago. I filmed my special, triggered in the film war in San Francisco in 2016. What's great?

No problems. It was almost people everywhere. It was normal. It was normal San Francisco. Go to a cool restaurant, people were cool.

Oh, he's been like a smart city, interesting architecture. Oh, he's been a great city. I lived there from the time I was seven to 11. Yeah, I loved San Francisco. I'm recognizable now.

10 years, that's it. 10 years of fucking ass and I in government. And also, this homeless thing, when you realize that it's an industry, the homelessness is valuable. Having homeless people on the streets is valuable, because you can get more money to deal with this obvious homeless problem. The more obvious the problem is, the more money they're gonna throw on it.

They don't have to fix it. Well, there's no intention to fix it. They're giving out free needles here. Get high here. I was just somewhere where my first experience seeing the homeless in this magnitude.

And the one thing that's evident instantly is they're all so completely strung out on drugs. Like this fentanyl thing is no fucking joke. Like the zombies leaning against every corner of it. And to me, it's cruel, right? Like if someone's to that point and you wanna help them, don't give them a fucking iPhone and some more needles.

How about you pick them up off the street and you take them somewhere and go look at the curfew here and you ain't doing no drugs. We're gonna clean you out and some aren't gonna want that. They're gonna wanna go back on the street and do drugs. And the addiction and the consequences of drugs that are that, I had surgery, they had put me on fentanyl. Right, neck surgery and they put me on fentanyl.

There's high, then there's that shit. And that was done by an anesthesiologist. I wasn't self-medicating on a fucking parking lot, right? What's you done, you neck? C67 from pollution.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I had the disc. Yeah. Just cut some of it down. It's okay now? Yeah.

How long did you get that done? Maybe three years ago? I wish I had two years ago. Is that ever happened again? Don't do that.

No, well, it'll happen. Yeah, I'm sure it will. There's other ways. Yeah, there's PRP, can help it. Regina Keen, help mine.

I had a pretty bad bulging disc in my neck. What's Regina Keen? Regina Keen is, they used to have to go to Germany to do it. I know Paint Manning went there, Kobe Bryant went there. And Dana White actually flew to Germany to get it done.

It's like an advanced form of platelet-rich plasma, where they take your blood, there's a process to it. Pull it up, Jamie, because I can't remember what the process is. But they spend it in a centrifuge for like 10 hours. And then you come back the next day and they inject it. And it makes this very potent anti-inflammatory.

And they inject it around wherever the injury is to the disc. And it provides like within weeks amazing relief. And for me, it completely cured it. I had a point in my fingers were going, no. Yeah, that's what.

German, go back up. Back to where, yeah. So German physician Dr. Peter Welling, the treatment focus on blocking a specific inflammatory protein into Luke and one. So they take the blood out, they draw your blood, and then the blood is heated to body temperature to trigger the production of a natural anti-inflammatory protein called IL-1RA.

And then they spin into a centrifuge, separating out the protein-rich serum. The serum is then injected directly into the painful joint or tissue. It is remarkable for me for knee injuries. I did it a bunch of times. I used to do it at, they moved it.

You used to have to go to Germany and then Santa Monica, they opened up an office. It's lifestyle medicine. That's what it's called, right? And then that's where I had it done. And it's incredible.

Like I had it done my entire back. Like there's a picture of me on Instagram with a bunch of these fucking tubes and that's me right there. A bunch of those tubes, my hairy ass back. And it was incredible. I mean, it really fixed so many problems that I had.

It's really great specifically for back injuries, knee injuries, stuff like that. There's a lot of good biological options. Just also, decompression is very important. I have a harness that I attached to a pull-up bar and it straps under my chin. And I just let my weight drop down and decompress my weight on my neck.

I do that every day. And I also have this thing called a DEX3. Is it a DEX2 or DEX3? You hang forward. It's like, teeter makes it.

You know, that company makes those decompression tables? But this one's even better. Because you just hinge from the hip. So you're not supporting it at all with your legs. And it's just your back.

It just goes like, pop, pop, pop. Like you could feel it. Like one of those. I'll show it to you. We have two of them out here actually.

Right out, yeah, in the gym. They're the shit I have one at home. I will not have one. I have to have one. It's so good for just decompressing your back.

You need to decompress the neck, too. Anytime you're doing anything, if you're dead lifting or squat, obviously you're lifting a lot of heavy weights. If any time you're lifting, you're going to think of all that pressure's on your back, all that squashing down. And you've got to do something to stretch it out. Stretch it back out.

But there's ways to heal it now without taking away the disc. So the problem is every time they cut away a piece of your disc, you have less disc. Yeah, so the good news is, there's some treatments that they're doing now where they're actually injecting some sort of a hydro gel. I've heard about this. I've been into the disc itself.

So I asked Brigham from Ways to Well about that, and they're looking into it. Apparently, this is not being done widely yet. This is just experimental. But they think they're going to be able to do that. There's also some places like CPI, Cellular Performance Institute, down at Tijuana.

They've successfully been injecting stem cells into people's discs. And it causes the disc to regenerate tissue and get thicker and healthier. Yeah. Shane Dorian, my friend, he's a pro surfer and a big wave surfer and bow hunter. He went down there.

And he said it was remarkable. He said within a couple of months, a 30% to 40% increase in range of motion, decrease in pain. Yeah, you could feel it. It's kind of an annoying process because once you do it, you can't really do shit for like six weeks. Like once you, I think it's six weeks.

Well, that's the same with the surgery. You're not doing shit for six weeks after that. But you can't lift weights. You can walk. You can walk.

You know, it's all the whole thing is like, let everything take. Like let it take. Let it heal up. Don't do anything stupid. Don't re-injure it.

Don't aggravate it. Like give it a chance to actually do its magic. Yeah, I'll look into that for sure. But any neck injury or back injury, there's such a motherfucker. Anytime you back goes, like, everything you do is like, ah.

It's so hard to do anything. It's like you realize how nice it is to be healthy. When you know whenever you get hurt. Yeah, no back pain. That's what killed my stuff, Father.

Back pain? Did you just get on pills? Yeah. Yeah. I have a friend in the family that did that.

Yeah, he was in, I remember one time we were fishing up in Wyoming. And he just looked like, I can't do it. Back hurts too bad. He went in and had a surgery and made it worse, which is a real risk when you start messing around with the spine. And so, yeah.

And then it was, you know, those are serious pain. Now we're talking oxy. Yeah, now you're in just now. You're in agony. You're on the clock.

Yeah. And you can only do that shit for so long. Yeah, I'm on the clock. Oxy's are fucking terrifying. They're so terrifying.

So terrifying how readily they were handing them out to forever. Yeah. Do you ever see Painkiller that the Peter Berg thing that he did for Netflix? No, I didn't. No, I didn't.

So Matthew Broderick plays such a great creep. Oh, he played the Sackler brother, the Sackler. Really? Yeah, the head of the family that started this whole opiate problem that we have in this country. It's fucking terrifying.

Because it's all real. And those fucking people never went to jail. Who knows how many people are dead because of them? Yeah. Ruined countless lives.

How many lives people that were connected to your dad get soaked in that shit. It ruins your relationship with your family. You wind up being all fucked up because you grew up with the dad who was trying on pills. No, generation. Yeah.

Generation with damage. Oh, God. Yeah. And these guys put their feet up. Yeah.

They go to a fucking nice country club and have the lobster. Yeah. Cocksuckers. There's so many of them in this world. That's genuinely evil.

Yes. There's real demons. That's a real demon. Like people want to think demons live in hell and maybe may or may not be real. Well, I know they're on earth.

Yes. Demons are right here. Yeah. And they're around a bunch of other people justify it too and they can just immediately dismiss any pain or suffering because they got a huge amount of profit from it. Yeah.

Yeah. Those are the fuckers. Those are the fuckers. Yeah. They're out there.

And it doesn't take many of them to create like real carnage. I mean, think about that. Think about the opiate issue in this. It was the gateway to fentanyl, right? If you think about it.

Yeah. Yeah. It was the gateway to fentanyl and it was it was also it's like they were doing those pain management pain management centers down in Florida where they just all they prescribed his pills. So you would going like, I'm in pain. They're like, Oh, Taylor.

We've got the solutions right next door and you go right next door to their pharmacy and all their pharmacy has like, they don't have been gay over there. They don't have toothbrushes. Oxy. Yeah. I got a lot of this is the solution.

Yeah. Fuck. Yep. Yep. That's the real drug trade.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. I mean, the cartel is basically getting the scraps. They're making trillions of dollars off scraps.

Well, think about this. Did you even know what fentanyl was 15 years ago? I never heard of it. No. I don't even remember when we first heard about it, but when we first heard about it on a podcast, we were talking about it and we found the amount that's lethal and they showed it next to a penny and they're like, what?

Yeah. And people are taking that and they're mixing that in cocaine? Holy fuck. And they are bent over zombies on the side of the road. Yeah.

Philadelphia is bad too. There's a bunch of cities that are just really real bad with it and it doesn't have to be that way. And what's interesting is this Ibogaine initiative that Rick Perry and Brian Hubbard are pushing in Texas and that I went to the White House to get Trump to be involved in and they're trying to make this so that it's, you have a right to use or right, I think they're called right to use or right to try for people that are addicted and they're trying to make it more readily available and accessible to veterans. That's the thing that can help all these people. What is it now?

You don't know what that is? No. Ibogaine is a, it comes from the abogatory in Africa and it is this very potent psychedelic that has no recreational use at all. It's not fun. Nobody likes it.

It's not like you trip, you see zombies and fucking hang out with aliens. You go into this very dark experience for like 24 hours where it like replays your life to you in a very uncomfortable way and also somehow or another rewires addiction in your brain and for a large percentage of people just one dose is good enough to get them off of everything, whatever they're on, whether it's alcohol, gambling, Coke, whatever the fuck it is. There's two doses. When they do it twice, it's significantly better and it doesn't just do that. Rick Perry who was the Republican former governor of Texas was staunchly anti-drugs.

He said this is his main focus in life now is to promote this. This is his goal in life because he did it and he had an incredible reaction to it and he knows so many veterans who have done it. It's incredible for PTSD. Somehow or another it has neuro regenerative properties where he went there and they said, he went to his doctor before and you know doctor did the whole scan of his body and he said, look you've got a certain amount of age related brain atrophy. It's like it's fine but you know normal that you're 73 years old or 74 years old.

But he goes and does the Ibogaine. Seizes his doctor a short time afterwards and the doctor says it's 25% less atrophy than when you got the last scan and he explains to him the whole Ibogaine thing. He goes back six months later, it's all gone. He has no brain atrophy anymore which is bananas. So it's regenerating brain tissue.

It's making his brain work better and it's just... Well the former civil companies aren't going to let that shit out. Well they didn't like it. They didn't like that I bypassed them and went straight to Trump and told them about it but Trump was very open to it. He said, what are you looking for?

You're looking for FDA approval? That's literally what he said. And then a week later we were at the White House and he was signing it. So it's incredible. But if so many veterans have had to go over to...

Mostly Mexico but Costa Rica, there's a bunch of different places that they go where they can have these Ibogaine retreats. And these guys have had incredible results. Marcus Littrell, he had an incredible result from it. He had a real problem drinking. Obviously he's the guy who has loaned survivor, the movie's based on his experiences over in Afghanistan.

So this guy, he's done it, he's gotten over it because of that. There's a long list of guys who have had this experience and completely changed them. Dakota Meyer did it, so many of these guys did it. And because of their stories, because all these veterans, then it opened up the idea to a lot more right-wing people that would maybe be more hesitant to accept something like this. Then on top of it, no recreational use.

No one's like, boy, I can't wait to do that again. Everybody's like, holy shit, this sucks. That diarrhea, I threw up, I was horrified for fucking 12 hours. It apparently just takes you through every aspect of your life, like review like a movie. All the times you've ever heard people, you see it from their perspective.

Yeah, it's a very dark experience for a lot of people. Especially a lot of people have fucked up a lot of their life. But if those people had access to I began, all these homeless people, they see strung out. If instead of just giving them needles in an iPhone and like profiting off of it, if somehow or another, these assholes can figure out a way to profit off of these centers, we could bring people in and give them I became retreats. Maybe that would be a nice little fucking exit strategy for all these grifters that have been profiting off of the homeless industrial complex for so long.

Yeah, they're not trying to solve problems. No, they're trying to make money. That's what I was saying earlier when we're talking about charities. That's the saddest thing that I have come to the realization that most non-profits are fucking scams, like most of them. And this guy was like reading off like the average amount that these people that are in charge of the homeless program in LA are making.

It's an extraordinary amount of money. It's a great living. They're not doing it because it's like some sort of a very charitable thing that they really want to save the world and help people. They're making tons of money. It's the, it's the, they're.

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Yeah. And I think that's one of the reasons why shows like Yellowstone in particular, that show like people that are proud to work hard and really get like deep satisfaction out of that life. And there's something about that that really like resonates with people. There's a better way than just bullshitting people. There's a better way than fraud and nonsense and all this political horseshit that's pumped down your throat every day.

No, no, how about a fucking just a sleeping bag and the stars? How about that? Just lying there with your horse tied to a tree? Isn't that really what everybody wants? It doesn't really everyone to cook their dinner over a fire and laugh with all their friends.

That's what they really want. That's really good. Something real. Something that really, it's not that simple. Because it's hard to do all that shit, but there's something about it that's pure.

It's pure. There's no if- You spend a lot of time outside, right? And the entire thing's an endeavor, right? If you go on, you go bow hunting, you're going to practice, prepare before you go. Then you're going to hike your S in somewhere, you're going to set up a camp.

And all of these are tasks before you've even gone to do the thing you went there to do, which is going to be another task. But the completion of them is the reward. Yeah. And the fact that you're doing it yourself. Everything done yourself.

I think that's- And that's why people are so attracted to life. That's why I've got third generation cowboys that went and got a degree in ranch management to come back and make $3,000 a month and couldn't be happier. It's wild, isn't it? It's really wild when you think about it. It's wild what people actually gravitate towards.

Because they say that if you ever seen a Werner Herzog documentary, Happy People? No. It's called Happy People Life in the Tiger. And it's all about these trappers that live on the Tiger River in Siberia. And all these people do is trap and hunt and fish.

They don't have any other way to make a living. That's all they do. And they're so fucking happy. And they're all laughing together and drinking together and hanging out with their dogs and their dogs and their sled dogs. And so they're on snowmobiles and their dogs are chasing behind them.

The dogs hunt with them. And these fucking people have zero mental illness. And when they're talking to them, they're talking in Russian, so it's all translated. But what they're talking about, the way they talk, it's like that this is how you're supposed to live. This is real life.

And they're all happy. There's a guy, I'm going to get his name wrong, it's like Preminger, something like that. And he, in the 60s, Dick Premikin. That's it. Yeah, the guy who lived in Alaska.

Yeah, went up said bucket. Yeah. Went up into the way into the wild and built by hand a cabin and lived there and documented. It brought up the little super camera, whatever, film the whole thing and filmed himself. I mean, he lived for 35 years.

He was 80 something years old when he finally was too old to get through another winter when he came down and he just built this cabin and just lived on fish, grew, potatoes, head to the field. There he is. Yeah. Brenniki. Pronniki.

That's how he says his name. If you haven't watched that documentary, it is fascinating. It's amazing. Yeah. Look at the difference.

What is it? Oh, there's a, but why they show 2023. This guy, when he documented all of it, you know, it's so attractive. There's something about the way he's living. He's by himself, which is also wild.

Like, how do you not get lonely? No, there's that. I mean, I had to lose my fucking marbles. I need people. I need to talk to somebody.

I don't think I'd be liking that. But it's so attractive. But the notion of that kind of self-reliance. Yeah. No, there's something about it that's like deeply ingrained in our DNA.

It's not just that. It's like a, it's a healthy interaction with the wild world. There he is. Look at that guy. I mean, all that chin himself.

That's what's crazy. Yeah. The whole thing, he made his own tools. He made it. It was really, I think he was all, wasn't he a lumber man or something like that?

I can't remember if he was. Look at fucking pretty that is. Oh my God. This is right in front of his house. You just build a house out there.

Alaska's amazing, man. I mean, the winners can suck at dick, but the, just the actual being there in the place and the people are, they're clearly like extraordinary people. Like when you go, just even hanging out on a bar in Anchorage, like you guys are different. They're like more reliable, you know? No matter where you live in Alaska, you're going to have to be tough.

Yeah, you have to be. They were laughing about some guy who got stomped to death by a moose because he was throwing snowballs out of it in town. Like, okay, that's something you guys have to think about. You might get stomped to death in front of the ATM machine. Or maybe don't throw a fucking snowball at a thousand pound animal.

Yeah. Well, you can catch a cow with their calves and she'll stop it. So it's a book. Prenniki says he turned his back on a tedious, on tedious 50 hour work weeks and moved to Alaska to do a thing to completion. He built the cabin when he was 51 and lived there for more than 30 years.

Wow. Wow. Where's that area? Clark National Park. I don't know.

There's another guy that lives up there that lives near the Arctic Circle. Vice guy to travel did a piece on him years ago. It's the same kind of deal. He lives in a cabin and he's been up in that cabin since the 1970s. He never saw an 11.

He saw a photograph of it years later. He's just been up there in the woods. All he does is he hunts caribou and he has them all hanging up, like frozen because it's frozen outside. Like, that's outside is cooler. And while they're there, Grizzly tries to steal his stash and he has to shoot the grizzly.

It's crazy. Really? What's that called? The Travel and it's Hainemos Arctic Adventure is the video series. And what's interesting, this is like the early days of Vice when Vice was really cool and they get this fucking nerd with glasses probably from like Williamsburg who flies out to Alaska to hang out with this guy.

And these journalists were like hardcore. These young kids, they knew they were doing something kind of crazy and they would go to war zones. That's how Tim Poole started out. These guys would go to fucking war zones and get shot at. They had bulletproof vests on it and they'd be doing real investigative reporting.

And so this guy just really went up there and hung out with this dude in Alaska for like a week and was talking to him. I was like, what's so great about this? And he's a very intelligent guy. He's not the guy who's this guy, Hainemos. See if you find that.

Do you find it? I mean, they're still posting stuff. They're the last Alaskans. See if you need the last Alaskans. Oh, he's still posting stuff.

They have a YouTube channel. Oh, wow. Hainemos and Edna. Oh, wow. He looks older now.

They're just talking about podcasts here a second ago. Oh, interesting. They're talking about podcasts. Our podcast. Oh, because we talked about them.

I don't know. I'm just a small azure picture popped up. That's it. That's what we talking about them. If you could find the Vice Guy to travel because that's where I found out about them.

So this guy's he's like one of the last people that's allowed to live up there. He has like a notice posted on his cabin because he's grandfathered in. I don't think you could build a cabin up there anymore. That's not. This is afterwards.

15 years ago. Might be it. But I think it's called Hainemos Arctic Adventure. Yeah. Hainemos Arctic Refuge.

That's the article. The Vice website isn't really one of the most well kept things on the internet these days. I'll put in Arctic Adventure. I'm guessing that the article was the first thing and then they went and followed up to make a video and that's what this is. Yeah, I don't know.

Yeah, maybe that's it. Yeah, see, it's his presence. Hainemos Arctic Refuge. Right. That's probably it.

They could have just changed their name on YouTube. I think they did. Or maybe I remember it wrong. Either way, this guy's premise is that this is really how you should live. This is how people, yeah, that's the guy.

So he's looking nerdy cat is hanging out. He looks a lot of plays. Yep, this is it. And he's got this caribou that he shot and they're hanging frozen and he just saws off a piece and throws the frozen steaks onto the grill, cooks it over wood. And this is how this guy lives and that's all he eats.

He's just eating caribou and salmon and he lives up there all year round, man. And it's, I mean, he's just very happy. And this is the weird part about it is how happy people who live like this are. So I think that's, you know, bringing that's how we're designed to exist with nature. Yeah.

Designed to be hunter-gatherers. You know, we still have the same DNA as people who lived tens of thousands of years ago. And you know, cities started what maybe 10,000 years ago in some form, right? Yeah, depending on who you ask. You know, I think we're a little wrong with that too.

I think they're starting to change their perspective of when actual civilization emerged because of stuff like, um, go back to the tapi in Turkey. They found these immense structures that are 11,800 years old that were buried that this guy was like a sheep herder in the 90s found it. Yeah, I found like a stone that was like sticking out of the ground weird and kicked it with his boots like knock his head off and then he brought it to a markiologist and then they discovered this massive complex, these like huge circles of giant stone columns of 3D animals carved in them and they carbon dated the ground and it was intentionally covered up somewhere around 11,000 plus years ago. So they're like, really? Yes.

They didn't even know like what the civilization was. Like why did they build this? What's the purpose of it? I think there's a lot of people that debate whether or not what's depicted on it is a calendar. Is it a marking of an event?

Does it show the flood? Like what is this? It's weird stuff, man. Like really weird stuff. I think there's more of that than you'd like to make people comfortable and archaeologists are very hesitant to accept it.

Well, that whole deal, right? Like your relevance being upon you discovered this thing. Yeah. When they found the the Clovis point. So then we're dating everything off of that and anyone finding anything else is going to render that guy's discovery less important.

Yeah. And you know, there was at one point we thought there was this logical evolution of man from homo erectus into homo sapiens. And now we know that there were at least four, maybe five species of humanoid living at the same time. It's just fucking crazy. At least five.

Not only that, it's like really difficult to make a fossil. Most people are going to die and their bones are going to be gone within a hundred years. Yeah. It's just what we've been able to find and we're basing an entire science upon incredibly incomplete discoveries. Well, we're basing entire science on a very limited number that can even possibly exist.

Like I think if you take into account how many dinosaur bones they found and then how many dinosaurs existed and for how many hundreds of millions of years dinosaurs existed. And you realize like, oh, like, most shit doesn't make a fossil. So we don't even know how many different dinosaurs that we've just discovered a new one recently. We don't even know how many existed that we never found fossilized. Yeah.

If they didn't run through some lava pit or tarpid or something, how would you know? And every so often some new form of ancient human pops up and we're like, oh, what's this one? What the fuck is this one? There's weird ones. They're all over the place.

There's a fucking ton of them. There's a dentist, Ovens. There's the one in, I believe it was in China, the pig headed people. They're quite a bit larger. In Texas.

Yeah, that's Glenysore Valley State Park. Wow. That's Glenrose, Texas. That's crazy. How crazy is that?

Look at those footprints. That's so nuts. That is so nuts. The dinosaur left those. How long ago?

113 million year old dinosaur tracks. What the fuck man? And you know, we just let you. So what is that thing and how much did it fucking weigh to imprint into that, which is now granite, right? But at the time it's probably some mixture of mud and ash from a volcano that came together.

Right, probably some version of that. Right. I wonder what the animal was. Do they know which dinosaur it was? The picture of one year.

I don't know if it's the one. I guess that's the one they assumed was there. That was so dope. That's so wild. I wonder who the first guy that found that was.

Was discovered after a drought. Oh, that's even cooler. So it was underneath the water the whole time. And then they're like, the river dried up completely in most locations, lying for more tracks to be uncovered here in the park. Wow.

That's sick. That's the animal. I believe to be. I don't know yet. They wouldn't know for sure.

Belong to two types of dinos, including acro, chem, kenzo, sores. I don't think they've found any fossils or anything to be for the record. That's even just crazy. Right? All you find is the feet.

Think about how many died there. Think about how many just got eaten by other animals and shit out. Most stuff that lives, even you know as well as anybody. You very rarely find skeletons in the woods. No, the mice are going to eat them.

Yeah, something's going to eat most of what you find in the woods within a couple of years. Everything's gone. But like most of the time, if you're a hunter, good luck finding a dead mountain lion. They must die. They must die.

I don't know anybody that's found a dead one. I never found one. I never seen one. Fuckin' nature takes care of everything. And that's what would happen to most fossils.

That's why most fossils don't happen. I mean, when people die, they don't get the fossil. Actually, there's a 1908 at a local schoolboy found some of these. Wow. Look at the size of those necks of that dude.

That's crazy. Imagine if you ran home and tried to tell your parents that I found some dinosaurs. They wouldn't even know what dinosaurs really were at back then. How would they have known? Well, there's a lot of people today that don't even think dinosaurs are real, which is hilarious.

There's so many knuckleheads online. But, I mean, we don't, we have a very limited amount of information that we're basing our entire history of Earth. What did you describe that as a 1910, 2003 toad giant? Is that a lizard? I don't even know what's inside.

I know. How would you even be sure that that was a footprint? I'm looking at this and then you go tell everybody else in the town to come follow you out there to find it. Right, in 1910, did they even have drawings of dinosaurs? Well, I wouldn't think they would have found some of the bones.

I'm sure. I think we figured that out, right? I think we talked about that. Didn't they first start finding them in the 1800s? And that one was?

But yeah, it's not. I mean, if you think about how many different things died and just were absorbed by the Earth, just gets eaten, shit out, swallowed up, just destroyed by time in erosion and never became fossils, we're basing the entire history of the planet on a limited amount of information. And that information, it never gets younger. It always gets older. The more stuff they found, like they found a modern version of human beings that pushes the timeline of humans back another three or 400,000 years and that keeps happening.

Well, they thought that people across the Beringland Bridge for 12,000, 14,000 years ago, now they've pushed that back 10,000 years. Yeah, they found those footprints in White Sands, New Mexico, and those are 22,000 years old. I took a giant flood to come wash away layers of sediment. Oh, wow. Revealed that.

That's why somebody around it, I guess. Wow. And then they started digging. That's fucking cool. That is so cool.

And this is in 1952, they did that? No, no, no, 1908. The pictures are for 1952 or something. Okay. Maybe it flooded again 50 years later.

Mm. It's like, do you happen here fast? When did they first figure out dinosaurs? Like, what was the first year a dinosaur bone was discovered? On your ranch, do you find a lot of arrowheads and native American stuff?

The one I grew up on everywhere. Yeah. Every time it would rain. You'd find these points. That's it.

It enthralls me. It's so fascinating. You pick up some arrow. I found one in Nevada while I was on a mule deer hunt. I was in the high desert.

It was a little tiny thing. I looked down and I go, oh my God, it's a fucking arrowhead. And you just think, some dude, who knows how many hundreds of years ago shot thousands of years. Thousands. We found a bunch and my mother took them to Fort Worth to the museum and they dated them.

And some of them, and they could look at them and they'd know various styles. This was made by, this is 2,200 years old. This is 4,000 years old. This is when they started doing this. We have one here.

One here somewhere. It's a big one too. 1677 was when the first scientifically recorded dinosaur bone was described. Although it says they've been digging people have been digging them up for thousands of years. They didn't know what the fuck it was.

And he even thought it belonged to a giant human. This is one from the other. Look at that. A friend of mine got that off of his ranch. I've read me warn't told me that's probably one they used for fishing because it was so big.

Interesting. Yeah, I thought so too. It was like that's interesting. Because I guess when you're dealing with old bows that didn't have a whole lot of power, you really wouldn't want a big wide cut because you wouldn't get enough penetration to get through the rib gauge unless you were really close. It would be more in a spear.

No, it would be an arrow. It would just be something that you shot at a fish because it's easier to penetrate than like say a buffalo where they would use a smaller head. They're just trying to get penetration. I'm just amazing thing you're finding just this piece of ancient history where people had no internet, no books, no nothing, just flint napping and using tendons and shit. Yeah.

And then trying to practice with those bows. Figuring out how to do it while you're on horseback too. It's crazy. So when you grew up on the ranch you grew up you find them all the time. All the time.

What was the oldest shit you found? I can't remember. I can't remember. But I remember being thousands of years old, a few thousands of years old. We had a, my mother had this wicker basket that was like this big and it was full.

A barrel head. Wow. You find them just toss them in there. That's crazy. It just makes you think like how long did people live on that land?

How many hundreds, thousands of years do people live on that land? Yeah. Yeah. Or pass through or have battles or good nose. Yeah.

Or when you find them like we found them. I mean, every single time it rained there was this stock tank behind our house and maybe it's half mile to the stock tank. We walked that road and you could find four or five. So was that a trading depot? Was that some place where people went to trade?

And then I always think like how do you lose them? Right. As hard as they must be to make. Right. You think once you've shot that arrow you're going to go look for the arrow.

Yeah. Because you spent hours making this. They must have shot so many for so long. They might, I mean they're probably shooting them every day. They probably had somebody back at the camp making them every day.

Probably some guy that that's his skill. Yeah. Maybe when people got older and they couldn't, couldn't, couldn't run. Right. Maybe.

They sat back and right. Yeah. So I think that's the way that I was going out and shooting the deer and bringing them back. When you do in a show like 1823, how much research did you have to do to try to get that right? Because that was in my opinion, one of the best theatrical things that I ever watched, movie or television show that I feel like nailed what it must have been like to try to travel across the country, to be a civilized person living in the city, try to make your way across the country and just experience the wild shit those people saw.

There's a few things. So a lot of research. But interestingly, I had my family had come, one side of my family had come from Kentucky to Texas in the 1840s and whatever great, great grandmother, journaled. Wow. And the journal.

Holy shit. And then I started finding other journals. There wasn't. Some were published and reading about, just how fucking dangerous it was. If you think about it, rivers were the most terrifying thing, crossing rivers.

Because no one swam. No one could swim. And most of the most of the people who came in to either the port of New Orleans or Galveston, they were European. They were German. A lot of Germans.

There were a lot of central Europeans that came and they were promised to land, right? There would be travel agencies that they would arrange the entire trip with before they'd even left Germany or Croatia or wherever they were. And so by the time that they landed in Galveston, they would meet up with their group and the group would, you know, they'd have chipped in all this amount of money and they've got guides and they would have already arranged for mules or horses and wagons and off they go. And they had no idea. I mean, a lot of them had never fucking ridden the horse in their life.

Much less fire to gun, much less. They're in a completely foreign area. Like they landed in Texas. Most of them heading to Oregon because that area was the most similar to where they were from in Central Europe. And then, you know, for whatever reason, they didn't get that far.

Some maybe never got passed away or go or whatever or wherever. And then off they went. And the dangers were from obviously rivers and sun exposure, disease. Obviously, there were issues with bandits and the Native American tribes depending on the time of year, the era, right? By the 80s, that was largely not an issue, the 1880s.

But bandits sure were a real issue. Because there's no rule of law. Right. Right? And we can look at, there's plenty of bad people doing awful shit today and we got all sorts of laws.

And now imagine if those people had the wherewithal to go to a place where there's no laws. No law and no enforcement. No help. No nothing. You were on your own.

You were on your fucking own. And there was a bunch of people that had been living like that for decades just fucking people up. Just waiting for you. Waiting for you. Here they come.

Let's get them. And that was what their thing was. Yeah. If you didn't have an experienced guide, you're fucked. Truly fucked.

Because you could pick the wrong way and run out of water. Go wander around in the circle. You get up there on the Great Plains store. It's flat and you don't know how to read the sun. You don't know where you're going.

People go out there and make giant circles. Yeah. I was reading something about that the other day that people tend to for whatever reason, always walk in a counterclockwise direction when they get lost. And that even if they're left footed or right handed or left handed, it doesn't seem to matter. Humans when they walk, if they get lost, like in the woods, they walk in circles and they almost always walk in a counterclockwise direction.

And so this article was explaining that if you find yourself lost and you think you're running into the same places, most likely you should veer towards the right. Because you're most likely looping towards the left. For whatever reason, people tend to do that. One of those is like a scientific explanation. Put that in perplexity.

See why people move in a counterclockwise? It didn't come off the thing. It doesn't have any tries. It doesn't have any tries. It doesn't have any tries.

I never understood getting lost in the wilderness. I didn't understand it. Really? You don't understand where you are. But you know, but I never understood getting lost.

Well, you must have learned how to use a compass early. Yeah, or the sun. Yeah. If the sun comes up in the morning and you're facing it, then behind you is west. So your left is north to your right.

Some people have zero experience in the woods though. People tend to loop off in counterclockwise when lost because small errors in our internal sense of straight ahead accumulate. And humans also have a subtle left turn counterclockwise bias whose exact cause is still unclear. Isn't that weird? That's so weird.

In lab and field experiments, blindfolded people tend to walk straight without landmarks, almost always end up curving into large loops instead of moving a straight line. People told rather to walk straight without landmarks. Wow. This happens because without internal clues, oh external clues like the sun, distant objects, or visible path, small random errors in balance and body feedback build up until the path bends enough to close into a circle. Wow.

That's got to be so disheartening. You've been walking for days and then you pass the same dead tree and you're like, oh my god, we walked in a fucking circle. The pedestrians everywhere exhibit a counterclockwise bias wired to walk counterclockwise. During COVID, scientists studying social distancing noticing people seem to prefer moving counterclockwise. That's so weird.

Hmm. So, the tendency is fundamentally individual rather than a collective. What does that mean? So every individual does it, I guess, rather than a group of people just following the leader. Pretty wild.

So when people get lost, some people have just zero experience being in the woods at all and they just don't know where to go. Where are we? And they just fucking freak out. And then they panic because they think, what's out there? Oh my god, I want to die.

Yeah. And you realize that once you're out there, the nature doesn't give a fuck if you make it. No. It doesn't care at all. It's heartless, completely oblivious to your desire to stay alive.

It's not interested in what you want to do at all. Nope. Nope. Not at all. It's ambivalent.

But that's also part of the beauty of it, right? Yeah. When you're out there, especially if you take yourself seriously, you're out there like, oh, I ain't shit. It'll test you. Yeah.

When you're writing a thing like 1823, like you're doing all this research and you read the diaries from, you said your great-grandmother? Great-great-great-great-great-grandmother. Did you, did you everything like putting some of those letters online so other people can read them? There's plenty of, there's any number of published books of very similar journals. I don't think we kind of don't for people to read about your great-great-grandmother.

Yeah, nothing happened, right? But it's not too interesting. It was called, we had freaking whatever weird shit they had for dinner that night and, you know, so-and-so was rude and, you know, it was this and we, you know, we stopped in this beautiful valley and it was hard to get across the river and I was scared and, you know, but no attacks, no. It was pretty uneventful. They got lucky.

It's just, it's interesting just as a window into time. Yes. You know? Well, what's interesting really is how well-written the journal was, right? Because everyone was very educated.

Yeah. Was better educated. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's weird, right? When you read like Civil War letters, and you're like, why are these guys so fucking smart? I have letters from my grandfather who died in World War II, loved letters from him to his, to my grandmother, years of them. Because, you know, he listed in 1941 and then went off and became a, they flew a, I guess it was the B-19 for a bomber. And yeah, and wrote all these letters to her.

Yeah, and I have all those in there just magnificent. The way that people would just be so eloquent in a letter to, you know, your wife. Yeah, might be loved. They would write things like that. Yeah.

It is weird, like the deterioration of our ability to express ourselves, the common person's ability to express themselves. Like, you wouldn't have expected that back then, I bet. If you could tell people about the future, oh, you're going to have the answer to any question on your phone, you have a small device in your pocket, it's also acts as a flashlight. You're going to be able to pick that thing up and ask it anything you want. Instantaneously, it's going to give you a result.

But, oh, people, it must be brilliant. No, no, they're half retarded. Because they didn't learn anything. Right. You can ask a machine, the machine's done all the learning.

You just get an answer that you didn't earn. Right. That's the word. Earn. Yeah.

Just like equity. The problem with equity is you didn't earn it. Yeah. The problem with having the same results as everybody else when you don't put the same effort. People in the 1800s often spend blocks of time, typically one to three hours out of stretch, on letter writing.

And heavy correspondence can easily spend several hours most days. Wow. Most people treated correspondence as a regular daily or weekly task, similar to a modern email block, accepting that it would be take a significant chunk of their time. Wow. I mean, how important was the fucking mailman back then?

Everything. Everything. Some dude on a horse with a fucking bag of letters. For a quarter. I mean, how much did they charge?

A quarter was a lot of money back then. Probably less than that. Probably half a penny or something if they had a... Well, they did have a half penny. How much do you enjoy writing that kind of a show versus writing a show like Linus or like Landman?

Like, what is your... Do you have a favorite or do you like all of them? No, I can't say I have a favorite necessarily. The fun thing about Linus, which is sort of... I can't say it's ripped from the headlines because I don't...

I've tried to be... I've tried to guess what's going to happen politically and then fictionalize that and the fact that I've managed to be right. It's pretty fucking wild. I thought surely it's season two when I said that the cartels have been listed as terrorist organizations. I'm like, this could be my 18 month cancel vacation coming.

And then it fucking happened. And then it came out. The show came out within weeks of that and I looked really... Like a sous seer. So it's a lot of fun because it's so political and it doesn't choose a political side.

It just looks at the trade craft of espionage and how it's intermingles with our military and it's just fascinating shit to me. Just fascinating. But there's so many different things that you have to be aware of to write the shit that you write. You know, like is the Harrison Ford one, 1923? That one is fascinating too because you got the guy who goes off to Africa and he comes back and you got all these people that are trying to steal land.

So it's not totally lawless but it's on the border of lawlessness. Yeah, you're watching Montana and the 20s was fascinating. It was a fascinating place because you've got the 20th century of the Industrial Revolution in full swing and you have washing machines and refrigerators and telephones and electricity and then you still travel my horseback. So it's very, very interesting. And so that's a really fun thing to explore.

That one dude was the evil rich guy in that show. Oh yeah, Tim Dalton. Oh my god, that's right, Tim Dalton. It was Bond at one point. Crazy.

Yes, yes. My god, he played a good buddy. Oh, it's twisted. So good. I forgot it was Tim Dalton.

That's how good it was. Yeah, my wife watched that and looked at me like, how do you think that shit up dude? Like I got the side-eye for a couple of years. A couple of scenes where she's like, bro, what are you thinking? Yeah, there's a couple of scenes I wondered myself.

I was like, this is rough. Like that's evil. Some of the S&M stuff is like, she's twisted. But there's people like that in the world. 100%.

Yeah. I had to reason. I tell you what, my computer, I just assume that the CIA and FBI have like a whole team because the shit I look up when I'm researching, I'm like, how to make a bomb? That's an impractors. CIA hot regions in the Middle East and it's all at once, right?

Yeah. Yeah, there's no way they're not looking at you. Oh, they're looking at it. Oh, Taylor's right and something new. Look at this.

It's not as an influence. They're probably looking at your shit no matter what anyway, which is also dark. We don't even know how much actual real spying on people is occurring. We're just guessing. No, we don't have any idea.

I think within the world of tradecraft a tremendous amount. Oh, yeah. I think within the world of, I mean, within that world, I think. When you're writing that, how difficult is it to really keep your finger on the pulse of what's actually going on with espionage and what tools they actually have available? Are you making some up?

No. I'm sure there is some extremely high tech tradecraft going on, right? For sure. Tracking devices and various things, satellite imagery, facial recognition, all of these things. But a lot of it's also very low tech by design because it's harder to trace, right?

And it's a lot of leverage and manipulation. You're either writing some money or blackmailing them. And that's typically those are the two tools that are being used the most in tradecraft and the spy game, right? That's really, it's leverage, leveraging individuals. And they're all doing it.

I'm not right, every single. And then if you look at some of the, and again, I'm not getting on any completely apolitical, but from a tradecraft standpoint, what the massage was able to do with all those fucking cell phones and pagers and shit, you want to talk about play the long game, like build this dummy company, sell all these, get all these devices to all of these people who are your enemy and start setting them off years later, create that night, insanity. I mean, it's genius. It really is insane, not endorsing it, but it's saying no, but if you actual active doing to look incredibly the patience and the planning and the risks and that they were able to execute, that is shocking.

When you saw that in the news, did you think if I wrote that, no one fucking buy it? Dude, I do that all the time. The Maduro rate, if I'd written that. Right, right. No.

Right. They like that's too simple. Fuck out of here. It's not how it goes down. Yeah.

Even the button, been loading ready to helicopter crashed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The fact that they were able to.

And I know it wasn't as smooth as it was led on to be, but the fact that no one died, not invading the Venezuelan military base in the middle of Caracas, it's fucking insane. It seems like it went pretty smooth. Did they get less smooth than they're saying? I'm sure that there's elements of like, I'm sure, right? I don't know how the one thing I've learned with all my research into the military is any of these operations.

There's actually a line in the upcoming line is where someone says, did it go smooth? And the guy says, well, smooth as these things go, right? Right. Because that's, because just by the very nature, you start sticking a bunch of people in helicopters with guns and, you know, shit's going to happen. Right.

But the fact there were no casualties. No one was killed. No American was killed. Yeah, it is incredible. It's pretty groundbreaking.

Like, this is a new benchmark for what could be possible in terms of invasion, at least of a third world country. It's just shocking the difference in the technology that the United States possessed versus them. And whether or not they were even available, that's new rather that stuff was available. Yeah. War is going to change very, very quickly with drones, AI and drones are going to alter the landscape of war.

We're getting real close to some terminators. Yeah. And I'm not saying that like it's a good thing. No. And so, you know, we're seeing a lot of us as a species.

We're seeing an adolescence in the teenage years of new type of warfare. And when it grows up, it is going to be a beast. A beast. I mean, I, just think about it. You can, you know, now they've got drones that are the size of airplanes.

They can have a payload that is devastating, right? Beyond simply a predator drone that's got a couple of health armistles or whatever it may have. And someone's sitting in a connex in the desert in Nevada can fly that thing halfway around the world. Or don't have anyone fly pre-program it and the thing flies itself. And that's, you give the drone a mission and send the drone off to do the mission.

And it's fully automated. Yeah. And that's some terrifying shit. I bet a lot. That's a lot of what this UIP shit is, too.

I bet it's experimenting with that type of technology with some sort of a novel propulsion system. Because they were working on novel propulsion systems way back in the 50s and the 60s. They were working on anti-gravity in the 60s. I think we're, I don't think we're there. I don't know.

I don't think we're there. I don't know. I don't know where we're at. I don't know where we're at, but I'm not convinced. I'm not convinced that they haven't done something.

In fact, Eric Weinstein makes some really interesting connections between, there's a college in upstate New York, university in upstate New York that has a very overqualified physics department and it's connected to a hedge fund that does bigger than Bernie Madoff type numbers. And he's like, the whole thing stinks to high heaven. And he goes, I have a feeling that there's some sort of an undisclosed or a top secret above top secret access program that's going on. Oh, I can promise you. There's something.

Yeah. I've always thought a possible solution to petroleum as far as transportation goes. And I've wondered why they've never tried it. Is using magnetic force. Right?

If you have, you take a positive and negative charge. If you take a positive and positive or negative, they're going to, I'm not a fucking scientist, but it's going to repel, right? We take a magnets and they push each other away. Well, how can we not use that if you had a vehicle and the base of it is essentially a positive charge or a negative, whatever it takes to make the magnets repel. And then your road base was essentially the similarly charged metal.

Wouldn't that make that so much? Wouldn't you have to redo all the roads to make something like that real? Or put it in the road. Yeah, maybe. It certainly could be a potential source of transportation for the future.

But I think the things that they're doing now probably relates to some sort of anti-gravity propulsion system. And then there was that, you know, I'm sure you're aware of this. All those scientists that went missing or want to be murdered. Yeah. How fucking sketchy is that?

All of those from Los Alamos? All of those? All of those? All of those? Yeah.

Coincidence. Yeah. Who knows? I mean, who knows what the fuck those people are working on? And whether or not they made breakthroughs and they don't want other people to know or whether or not they want to stop the breakthrough because they're aligned with whatever the conventional propulsion systems are and they don't want to lose money.

This thing makes them obsolete. They can set back the science for a few years. Or is it trade craft? Is it Russian or Chinese or? Yep.

Or maybe trade craft. Yeah. Oh, sure. And that's the other thing that Juan's saying is like it's really shocking how little these incredibly important scientists are protected. Yeah.

They're just fucking driving their Volvo to the university and working on top secret shit. Yeah. And no one's making sure they don't get whacked by China. Yeah. Yeah.

I'd be curious. And when they look into that, what was it 11 of them in a year? 15 over a course of a few years. And some of them people are not going, now this could be coincidence. But there's a few of them where it's like, okay, these people like this lady was specifically working on spacecraft metallurgy.

This guy was specifically working on cold fusion. This guy was specifically like, there's a bunch of them where you go. Okay. Yeah. Some's weird.

Some's weird here. Yeah. Enough to the fact that the government's looking into it. Okay. There might be something here.

So justice department's investigating it. They're trying to figure out what the connection is and what could have happened. But you know, it's hard after the fact to try to figure out who did something, especially if somebody got hired from another country, like they're not going to tell you, like, I'm going to know, you didn't catch them. Did you not catch them when they killed the guy? Okay.

Well, you're probably fucked. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's 15.

Yeah. I don't know. I'm not sure. I think that's part of the problem. It's like there's whenever you have a thing like this where people start looking for connections, they can make some connections that aren't necessarily valid.

And so it could say if there's 15, let's say 10 of them, 10 of them are bullshit. Yeah. That means five aren't bullshit. You know, if that's true, that's a lot. It's five super fucking brilliant people that got whacked.

Yeah. And it's interesting that you'd have that many in this specific field in this period of time. Yeah. And they're not, you know, I would think it was scientists being pretty fucking healthy, right? I don't know about that.

I think a lot of them are just in their own head, you know, and they're probably not even paying attention to their body. Did they all disappear? Different people died from different things. And one of the weirder ones was this one lady who was, I think she's a metallurgy lady where she was hiking with her friend and they were just hiking together and the friend turned around to talk to her and she was gone. And she was just behind like 30 seconds before they couldn't find her.

They brought in Kid Abadaw's. They brought in search parties. Never found her. And I think they might have found her body recently. See, they, I think there was a report a few days ago that they might have found her body.

I'd be looking real close at the friend. Just as a guy. Just as a guy, right? Scrips. So me and Joe went for a hike.

I turned around. That fucker gone. Hey, I don't know what happened. I mean, I swear I had just talked to him 30 seconds ago and he's just not there. No sign of struggle.

It's weird. Yeah. Yeah. Like a husband and wife go hiking and the lady falls off the cliff. They're like, Hey, buddy.

Yeah. What the fuck happened? You guys arguing? Can I see your text messages? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Or the one that just fell off the boat. Oh, what happened there? I don't want to say it wrong, but I think she, I think it was out of the Bahamas.

I read about it. She was a cruise ship one? It was him and his lady and they're out on a sailboat or something. Oh, she would fall off the side. Yeah, he had to, yeah, something, something weird.

They're not buying it. Goes all the way back to the Natalie Wood story. You ever look into that one? Oh, yeah. That's right.

Her and walking and Robert Wagner on the side. Yeah. And Robert Wagner and her had a big bite apparently. And then she just whoops. Not the same person as the metal or she.

Oh, which one is this lady? But she was one of the scientists, correct? I believe she was one of the missing scientists. She was missing for a year. Which one was she?

I don't know which ones are. What was her specialty? Does it say what she worked on? No. The Ministry of Assistant, yeah, I remember this lady.

Yeah. The other one was our name is. And the Resa one, that lady, she was the one that has the, so she serves as a director of NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory and she was in the materials processing group. She specialized in burn resistant high strength metal alloys and rocket propulsion metals. It wasn't she one that had like a weird videos.

Was she had made? I don't know. Anyway, the whole thing is what creepy is what? Well, she was hiking the Angelys National Forest outside of Pasadena. Yeah.

That could actually be a fucking mountain. It could be. Or it could be a lady who's working on top secret rocket propulsion, fucking metals, like this lady's a problem. Was there some town, I want to say it's Arcadia in California, the mayor of that city. Yeah.

Arcadia. Yeah. She was 25. I would have to think if you're, if you've, how many people have you recruited that you finally go, fuck it, let's try and get the mayor of Arcadia. We got everybody else.

Yeah, they probably like worked her into position to run as mayor. You know? I mean. And then with the hopes of, she was relatively young, right? Maybe you go run for a state rep and he was a congressman.

Be the fucking president. There was a, there was a thing in the 70s called Abscam. Do you remember this? Yeah. Where there were all of these politicians, a few congressmen, some state reps, and they were all like Russians by, or at least on the take.

Right. Right. All of them Soviet. Soviet spies. Did you ever see that show the Americans?

Uh-huh. I didn't either. But I heard it was great. It was all about sleeper cell Russian family that was pretending to be normal. Yeah.

That's fascinating. Russian agents pretending to be American citizens. Oh, I wouldn't say head. I would say have. Oh, yeah.

No. Yeah. I think you're right. Yeah. And Chinese.

Yeah. For sure. For sure. For sure. For sure.

Yeah. Plenty of them. 100%. Well, how many Israeli agents are in Hezbollah or in Hamas? Like probably.

Or in the IRGC. Yeah. Probably. Probably. They probably got a bunch of those guys in there.

Yeah. It's just wild. It's tradecraft man. That's a fucking whole other thing. It's not enough.

It's funny because when they get caught, it's never that big a deal. Like there are always some. It doesn't, for whatever reason, the news doesn't. We could pull it up. There's been a number of Chinese scientists over here and they were stealing this.

Oh, yeah. And they were stealing this. And it happens all the time. See the ones that got caught trying to bring in bio, they were trying to bring in. Yeah.

What were they trying to bring in? Diseases or something? There's another one in Vegas recently. But they have these bio labs that are being run out of an apartment or something. CCP linked bio labs in American soil exposes major bio security gaps.

Policymakers Mucks Act improve oversight and biological research activity. Wasn't there a guy that got busted that was an Israeli agent and he got released and he took it? That one I think was in Vegas. Yeah. That's the one in Vegas.

Yeah. So this guy, he had all these fucking diseases in his garage. 1,200 samples. That's the one in Vegas. Yeah.

So this guy, he had all these fucking diseases in his garage. 1,200 samples. Conclusion of the FBI lab that the community could not be harmed by what was contained in that lab. What? Finding possible biological laboratory in a garage inside investigators found refrigerators with vials containing unknown liquids.

Police said in the immediate aftermath. The home is also operated as an unlicensed short term rental. What is this fucking guy doing? The question is, why does only have his materials in the private residence? It's not a lab, not a licensed medical facility of any sort.

And then homeboy got released. Yeah, but check out the names on some of the vials. Oh boy. They located pathogen labeled containers with labels such as dengue fever, HIV and malaria, along with a thousand mice or according to a federal report. The federal government never tested the items and the CDC only made its determination based on the labeling.

What? What the fuck? So in that case, Chinese citizen David Hee faces federal charges for allegedly manufacturing and distributing misbranded medical devices. He's not face charges. He does not face charges connected to the Las Vegas raid and a trial in California was scheduled for April.

What the fuck? Just a bunch of vials of HIV and AIDS and fucking dengue fever and malaria. No worries. Jesus. Normal.

So what was the Israeli guy? The guy who owned the lab. There was like an Israeli guy who they caught and then they released him and he went back to Israel. And everybody's like, Hey. What?

That's the same case. I think it says that feds drop case against man arrested in Las Vegas, bio lab investigation. What's his name? Ory Solomon. Oh, Ory.

What were you doing? Ory. Ory. Why do you have the HIV? Ory.

There he is. Feds drop case against man arrested in Las Vegas bio lab investigation. Yeah. I mean, why investigate? Let it go guys.

No big deal. He's only charged with illegal possession of a firearm in Nevada. His immigration status precluded him from owning or possessing a gun. Well, listen, if he doesn't have a gun, how the fuck is he going to defend all his malaria? People try to steal malaria, bro.

Be careful. Oh boy. Yeah, this doesn't. He's like, someone made that go away. There's too much fucking shit in the world to pay attention to and too much of it is so disheartening.

The more you look into it, the more you look into it, the more you're like, is it all fucked? Is the whole world fucked? Like, what is going on? And my guess is because there are so many different two things, right? There's so many different things.

There's no secrets with the internet and social media and phones and shit's getting out, but it's also getting out at such a volume that none of it seems to have an impact. Right. Right. Right. So much.

Right. So they're talking about that on Nightline and this and that and meet the press and try new spies. It's really like that. You know? That's news.

But now it's just another. The news cycle's a flood. It's like you drop a rose petal in the river while floods go on by like, it's gone. Yeah. It's here, it's gone.

And it's a sensory overload and people are tuning it all out. They're tuning it all out also because nothing ever gets done. Nothing happens. And the more people like that get released, the more people like, ah, they throw their hands in there, they'd rather just watch sports. Yeah.

Yeah. Forget about it. Yeah. Well, I can't believe Simon Shush would send you my book. Well, I don't know what happened, but I'll listen to it on audio tape.

I'm glad you did the audio tape though. Yeah. That's important. Yeah. Pull up the, you're going to fucking love it.

It's oddly entertaining and informative. How did you have the time to write a book? So you're writing 150 different TV shows. So you know what it is. Do you know anything about it?

No. Pull it up. I'm going to try and, I don't want to tell you what it's called. I just want you to see that. Okay.

How did not die in prison? I told you you don't like it. So here's the, so here's the deal. So what I lived in LA, there was a gem on Beverly Boulevard. I was in Beverly Boulevard.

I was in Beverly in Sweetser. Everybody called it Buds on Beverly because they had all the treadmills kind of right up there and all the girls were there and you get stuck in traffic or staring at all their asses. That was my gem. So me and a buddy of mine shared an apartment together and we jogged down there and worked out every day. And there was this dude that showed up and started working out in there and this dude was jacked, but different than like the West Hollywood fit.

Like this fucker was yoked and had all these crazy tattoos on him. And we became kind of like friendly and ended up kind of becoming friends. And his name is Tom Nelson. And one day I'm like, well, what are you doing? I'm just starting to start a personal train.

I'm just starting to start a personal train in here. I was working over at the vitamin shop. Guys, like in his 40s. I'm like, I'm in vitamin shopping here. 40s.

That's kind of weird. And I said, yeah, have you always lived in California? I was like, well, I've been here 19 years, 20 years. Yeah. Yeah.

I said, where are you from? Somewhere in the southeast? And I said, you always live in LA? He goes, well, no, I just got to LA. See, I've been in prison.

I said, oh, how long? 17 years. I said, oh, and I didn't ask anything else. Right? He does become a personal trainer and I'd see him over.

I said, hey, we have a bunch of bullshit. And then I'm like, tell me the deal. He's like, oh, I was fucking criminal, dude. Like a criminal. Like a real criminal.

Like a biggest drug dealer in Hollywood and ran over a DEA agent. Like I was a fucking criminal. But now when I was in, I discovered fitness. I started working out. And I'm like, when I get out, I'm going to get himself in good shape.

I'm going to start. This is my passion. I'm going to do this. So he was a trainer there for a while and then he opened his own personal training gym. And I would go work out over there and hang out.

I think he was a cool fucking dude. And it became the biggest private training gym in Hollywood. So I go off and I start writing and I'm shooting Yellowstone. And he reaches out and he goes, hey, I wrote a movie about my life. I'm a senator.

So he sends it to me and I read it and it's actually pretty good. But it's sort of a fun 90s kind of. They don't make movies like this anymore. It's like, it's the rock, but we're celebrating. The guy, the fucking criminal.

But it was good. I said, hey, I'll pass it on to some producers. But nothing ever happened with it. Anyway, so COVID happens. I'm stuck up on this ranch in Montana and I call him and I say, Tom, where do you get your gym equipment from?

Because I need to build a gym. Because we can't go to a gym. I can't leave the ranch. COVID restrictions. The whole fucking cast is stuck on that ranch.

And he said, they shut my gym down, dude. So I mean, also anything you want. So I sent a flatbed trailer to LA and picked up a pile of jib equipment from him. And didn't hear from him again. He calls me maybe 18 months ago, two years.

And I answer and he's like, hey, man, I'm in a bad way. I'm like, what's the deal? He goes, fucking, I got a single father and a five year old kid. I got fucking colon cancer. I'm fucking dying.

And I'm tapped out. You know, I'm a fucking 60 year old felon. I can't get a job. I can't do anything. Is there any work on your movies or anything?

Or anything that I could do? And I said, well, first colon cancer, how bad? Like, what stage? What's this? I don't know.

They saw it in an x-ray and diagnosed me. And I said, well, let's deal with that shit first. So I fly him to Texas where I know people and I get him in and he sees a doctor. And fortunately, the mass wasn't cancer. So they help him out, do the surgery, get that done.

And then I say, well, I mean, I get you a job on a movie, but it doesn't pay very good in the hours or shit. And you've got a five year old daughter. I mean, you know, to just be a production assistant or something is not going to pay enough to, it's not a great. That's not a plan. I think you could just spot me for a few months while I try to figure shit out.

And I said, I have 100% failure rate of lonely money difference. It doesn't work. I'm out of bank and buying you 90 days, I can help. So let me think. Let me think of something.

And so it doesn't take me very long. And I'm thinking, here's a guy who's been 17 years in prison. And you know what? I've never read. I've never read how to not fucking die.

I travel guide to prison. So I call him back and I go, I got it. Tom, we're going to write a book about my life. Kinda, we're going to write a travel guide to prison for the accidental inmate. Right?

Somebody fucks up and they end up and they don't know how to navigate this place. He's a travel guide. I said, I'm going to send you, so I bought a bunch of lonely planted travel guide to Thailand, Mexico. And I said, look at these. Right?

It breaks it down. It tells you an overview of the country. Then it gives you a glossary of the terms that teach you the language. They talk about the food. They talk about where you stay.

They talk about navigating the country. We're going to do that for prison. And he goes, I'm in. I said, great. I'm going to write all the intros.

I'll build a structure and walk you through it. So it's literally a travel guide to prison. And it walks you through day one, how to navigate the yard, being processed in the food, the commissary, the gangs, the diseases, prison riots, how to get a job in there, how to make a shiv, how to do everything. It's a tour guide to prison. How many pages?

A couple hundred. Sounds awesome. I hope I never need it. I'm going to guess 99% of the people who do read it. The one thing it'll do is tell you don't ever want to go there.

That's for sure. Right? And typically if someone's going there, I even say in the intro, I'm like, if you're going to prison, you're going to prison, you're going to prison. Finish the book before you get to prison. Do not bring this book with you to prison.

Or you'll die on fucking day one. So leave the book at home. But yeah. So then we did. I took the, we wrote three chapters of it.

I took it out. And Simon Schuster read it, flipped. And me and Tom got a book deal. So he was able to sit with me and we wrote it and he was able to take care of his kid. That's very cool.

Good for you, man, for doing that. That's really awesome that you did that. I know you're busy as shit. You having another project on your plate? Not fun, probably.

That's awesome. That was a lot of fun. Yeah, but not fun to take something else on. I mean, I'm sure you. Yeah.

But it was a very entertaining diversion from my other. You know, I can bitch about my other job, right? Bitch about something on land man or whatever. And then, you know, I'm going to sit down. Oh, we're writing about smallpox today.

Okay. There's some perspective. It's not quite so bad. Billy Bob is an hour late to work. Which he's never in an hour late to work.

But you get my point. Yeah. Yeah. It's a sobering thing. That's a broken system.

You want to talk about a broken fucking system? Yeah. The prison system is broken. I'm the Alabama solution on. The other guy who did that documentary on the Alabama prison system.

It's a fucking heartbreaking man. Heartbreaking. I used to be roommates with a guy that edited all of those lockups. He would go and film those lock up and remember those? Yeah.

Go to Folsom and Corcoran and all these prisons. Just do it. It's tough. Rough. And not designed to rehabilitate.

Right? It's an institution that guarantees your criminal when you come out. That's what you'll be. If you weren't a criminal when you went in, which you clearly committed a crime, and got convicted, but you're going to be a fucking criminal when you come out. Yeah.

Like the people of the guys like Tom who, I mean, there's an 80 something percent recidivism rate in the US. So for a guy to get out of prison and not go back to prison, the odds are fucking four to one against you. Like it's, yeah. It's probably higher than that, right? I think it's 80 something percent, 86.

Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. It's brutal. It's brutal.

Well, I'm glad you wrote it. I promise you won't listen to it. I'll listen to it in the sauna. There you go. Thanks for everything, man.

Thanks for all the awesome shows. It's been great watching them. Thanks for watching. You're the man. Appreciate you.

I'm not sure. I'm sure. That UFC 250. Oh, man. Yeah.

Justin Gaechee, dude. Yeah, I just had him on. Yeah, I know. I know. I know.

I saw him. Remember what I bumped into you with that fight in Vegas? That's the first time I'd seen him live. And I got a bunch of price fights. I love boxing.

And I'm watching that guy. If he had decided to be a professional boxer, his striking is that level. Like that dude. He went to work on that guy. Yeah.

Now he's a, man, I'm glad he's a MMA fighter because he started out as an all American wrestler and Division I. He's just a great athlete all across the board. And just his particular style of aggression is so well suited for MMA. Oh, yeah. It's just shocking that he's that good a striker and he was a wrestler.

I know. He's just a wild motherfucker across the board. But for him to pull that off the way he did at the White House was nuts. I mean, his, some books had him at six to one under the door. And Iliad Teporia is so fucking good.

Yeah. He's so good. And he had him in sick trouble in that second round. But I watched it again yesterday. The second round was brutal.

Iliad was just destroying his liver. Yeah. I'll always put him down. Second round, Justin's still bloodied Iliad up. His face was busted up.

Like he was getting the most damage to Iliad's face. And that was a giant factor in the fight because I don't know what the accuracy of these reports are, but what's being reported is that he had two broken orbital bones and a broken nose. So both his eyes were broken and his nose was broken. And Justin was here a couple of days later and he looked great. It's just nuts.

It's just like he's very deceptively good at rolling with shots and you know, he's fucking adorable as hell and just very clever, very clever and how he sets things up and where he finds openings. He does it like he does a collar tie into an uppercut and he got that off multiple shots. He did that with Fizzive too. He's really good with that move. He's a beast man.

I'm just so happy for him to win. I'm a giant Iliad to poor you fan as well. And I think he'll be back better than ever. And I think sometimes a loss is like one of the most important things a fighter could ever have because they realize like you can be beat and you need to know that you're human. You need to know that you can't just throw caution to the wind sometimes.

It just engages in these wild scraps. Sometimes you have to be a little bit more tactical and sometimes you got to realize like you can't take everybody out. And that's the case with Justin. They couldn't take him out. And he almost did in the second round.

Yeah. Real fucking close. Real close. But you know that that frickin Justin he can time that transfer power to the end of the punch and just his hands are so heavy. Yeah.

Everybody says that to everybody who he's fought said he's one of the hardest guys that's ever hit them including Khabibib who's you know one of the all time greats. So Justin hit him harder than anybody. Yeah. He's an animal. Yeah.

It was impressive. And the fight was like to be there at the White House while it was going on and to have Justin so happy like there's something about a guy winning who's an underdog that is just so fucking inspiring. He didn't look like an underdog that night. No. No.

He didn't. Especially the third. Once the third rolled around he dropped him and then he got ahead of an arm and snatched him down the ground like holy shit man he's fucking dominating him. This is crazy. It was wild.

Wild watch. It was awesome though. It was fantastic. Chipping their live. Man that would have been a good one.

Oh it was crazy. It was crazy to be their live. It just felt surreal. I mean they had to fly over. They all wanted to get a chance to get a shot.

They were like separated by that far from each other. I don't know how the fuck those guys do that. It was incredible. Incredible. Incredible.

That was awesome. Thanks brother. Once again the book is called How to Not Dying Prison and available now. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Bye brother.