The Joe Rogan experience. Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. So last time we saw you, we were at a cage fight at the White House.
That's right. That's one of the craziest experiences of my life. It must have been one of the craziest experiences of your life. Oh yeah, it took me like two weeks afterwards to recover.
Just to like go to that actually happened. That seems so insane. Okay, the most insane part of it, which I guess was before you got there to me at least, is you come to work every day in the White House, right? You know, I have an office in the West Wing.
There's the Oval Office in the West Wing. When you look out the window and as this like eight story complex was growing up, it was just the most unbelievable thing. It's like the South Lawn of the White House, but you've got the eighth one with the world being built up around. And every day I'd look at it and be like, it would take me a couple of seconds.
And be like, what the hell is going on? I go, oh yeah, it's UFC coming a couple of weeks. The whole thing was surreal. First of all, it was crazy that the weather just went around us.
Like there was a real moment where the fights would have been postponed until 10, 30 p.m. to start. Correct. And last minute, the storm just diverted.
That's right. Well, in this book that I have that I guess we'll talk about a little bit, but the book tour started the next day. So I was flying to New York the next day to talk about it. And all I could think about is every time we got the update from White House weather, oh, it might not start until 10, 30, I was thinking, oh, holy shit, that means I'm going to go to bed at like 4 a.m.
I'm going to look like a total crazy person. I'm not trying to go talk about this book. But yeah, it amazingly did work out. Honestly, it actually helped a little bit because you know it was hot as hell out there.
It was super humid mid-June in DC. And I think the weather actually helped cool it down a little bit because by about 10 o'clock or so, I was not thinking it's hot to say a lot here anymore. Yeah, it wasn't too bad, but I talked to Justin Gachie about it and he said it was a problem when he was fighting. He said the air was very thick.
Like right after the first round, he was like, boy, this is rough. Because that hot humid air and you know, it's fine. It's fine walking around. I mean, it's okay walking around.
It still feels like it is a swamp, right? This is what people call it the swamp. So that's obviously June 14th. That's not why they call it the swamp.
That's why they call it the swamp. They call it the swamp because of my colleagues too. Because it's filled with mud and water and gunk and shit and swamp monsters. So that's June 14th.
That's the President's birthday. That's also my 12th wedding anniversary. Oh, wow. And my wife.
So that's the one thing, like if somebody runs in here, it's because my wife's going into labor because she's like 39 weeks pregnant. But I remember we got to dinner like right before the UFC fight and we're of course checking the weather report to figure out what's going on. And my wife normally likes to come to the cool stuff of being vice president. That was the one where she was like, it's hot.
I'm super pregnant and I'm not going to sit and sit out there for six hours. Yeah, I couldn't imagine. Also, it was just, there was so much chaos and the potential for real chaos was always there. First of all, you have the ellipse.
So the ellipse has what 85,000 people outside? And for people that are watching at home, like we could hear them. Like when the fights, when something would happen. And like kind of delayed way.
Yeah. You hear the cheers from the people that were near. So it was like 3000 plus people tightly close to the octagon. And then you had 85,000 people in the background.
It was very eerie. I actually loved that. Like I loved the delay reaction to where somebody would get a good punch in or you know, you get a takedown. And then it was almost like the wave.
Because there was the initial center of it and then the people outside of it. It was pretty sick. I think Dana said not once in a lifetime or not once in a generation, once in a lifetime experience. Yeah, I mean, it's once ever.
I don't see any other president. I mean, if you become president, you're not going to do that, right? I don't know, man. It's actually very cool.
It's a very cool thing. It was very cool. Get it over with, do it once. It was the only time in the history of the sport where there's been seven stoppages, seven knockouts.
Like every single fight was a whole new guy. I didn't realize that. Yeah, every single fight. Okay.
The thing is like we've had seven knockouts in a card. I think this last weekend we had 10, 10 stoppages. But that was different because it was like 14 fights. This is all fights.
Every single fight was a knockout. So the last fight, when did you realize that was over? With Connor? Yeah.
When he fell down the second time, I was like, oh, this is not good. The first time I thought he just slipped. It's hard to tell. It's wild.
It's in the moment. I thought he slipped. And then when he got up and he threw a kick again, I'm like, oh, I don't like how his leg just gave out. That didn't seem like, I'm still hoping he's just slipping.
Yeah. I'm hoping he's just freaking out because he hasn't been in the octagon in five years. And then he started moving around and he grabbed his knee and buckled. Okay.
And there was some conversation going on between him and Max Holloway. And I was like, you know, Max is saying he can't fight. Something's wrong. And he said, fight me.
He's like, get up. And so he lets him up. And then his knee buckles and then the referee stops. Okay.
Yeah. Yeah. There it's always sort of the very, I think was the very last fight where the ref tried to call it at the end of the third round. And then because he was saying that there was a concussion issue.
I mean, I couldn't tell what was wrong. Is the only a topore fight? The Justin Gachiftey fight at the White House? Yeah.
Yeah. He didn't get the Tiberio Justin Gachiftey fight. He was saying he couldn't see well. Something was wrong with his right eye.
So, I thought it was a concussion thing. No, no, they never, okay. I mean, the concussion thing would only be if someone had been battered. There's a lot of times where fighters are fighting with concussions.
It happens all the time. You get dropped in the first round, you probably have a concussion. You get back up you keep fighting, you're fighting on these things. There's been many times where fighters wake up in the 4th round.
And they've fought three rounds, and they don't remember it at all. I know, that's pretty crazy. Not the best way to make a living. Not the best way to make a living, man.
Yeah. So, we saw Gachiftey at the White House a couple of weeks ago. I asked him, I was like, are you done fighting? and he kind of hesitated a little bit, and then I think it was his mom was in the Oval Office with it, she's like, yes.
Yeah, but you know, if they offer him some life-changing money for one more fight, after that performance, I have a feeling he'll take it. Like what is, what could he fetch for his next fight? Like 50 more? It's a good question.
You know, I don't know what his contract is, I don't know how it works, I don't know what the most anyone's ever, I try not to pay attention to that stuff because I'm not on the business end of the sport, I'm not only a perception a little bit. It can, it's also, I mean, I want them to get paid the most amount possible, that's my perspective. But what I'm, my job is just to analyze and to see what's going on and to commentate and try to give color and life to what's happening inside the arch gun. I don't, I try to dwell too much on the money, I just want them to get paid a lot.
I want them to be able to retire and never have to do anything ever again. Sure, cool. I don't know if Justin can do that. What's crazy about it to me is just how much the sport has replaced boxing, and like there's still, obviously boxing is still a big deal, and fighters still get paid a lot of money, but like I remember when I was, I don't know, in high school, I feel like people would get really excited about the big heavy white, heavy white type of out.
Now it's the UFC thing. So culturally it's like UFC has taken over boxing, and I don't, I mean, I don't know how or why that happened. Like I don't know if it's just good marketing or if it's just a fight or so much more real and intense. Like I, but it is a crazy shift that's happened in 20 years.
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Well, I've had some friends this past weekend that manage fighters, my friend Josh Dubin and a few other friends that actually manage boxers. Yeah. Come to the UFC. And they were all like, oh my God, this is so much better than a boxing promotion.
Because all the fights are exciting. With boxing, most people are just there for the main event. And a lot of people don't even stroll in until 15 minutes before the main event. Sure.
Like all the famous people that sit in the front row. In the UFC, that place is packed for five, six, seven fights in. Yeah. And there's 14 fights in the night, and all of them are amazing.
It's like, in the beginning, it's usually like half full. Depending on where you are, if you're in a place like Salt Lake City, it's pretty packed right away, because they only get one event every year or so. But it's just a more exciting sport. There's more ways to win, it's more dynamic, more things happen.
Yeah, yeah. And there's more stars. There's so many stars in the UFC. Yeah.
So I'd never seen a fight live before. Like I've watched them on TV, but I've never been their lives. I think it's crazy that it's literally in the South Lawn in the White House. But the thing that I found completely shocking about it was I would think those arm bar takedowns are just done.
Like that's it. You're over. But there were a couple of times where somebody had another person's arm. Yeah, that was Josh Hogan.
Derek Lewis, bless you. And it's like, holy shit. Yeah, he just has your arm broken off. And he didn't.
He wasn't doing it right. OK. Josh Hogan is a great wrestler. And he's an excellent fighter.
But he's not really a submission specialist. I mean, he did get the arm bar, but he didn't do it right. He was basically like pulling on. You have to elevate your hips, and you have to create space so that the arm is bending back this way.
Because the arm is essentially flat to his chest, which is not what you want. What you want is a back arch like this, where you see how it is right there? So what he wants to do here, what he should do, instead of having his hips down his knees up, what you're supposed to do is heavy leg curls with the leg and elevate the hips up and pull it way back. So he'd almost be bridging.
He would be on the top of his shoulders and bridging. And then he would have broken his arm. The other option is you pull it off to the side like this. Yeah.
And you put it to the side of your hip, and you can break it that way. But it's just bad technique. OK. So watching it.
No offense, Josh. Watching it, I didn't realize that. I just could not believe that dude held out for like 30 seconds. Was that more shocking?
Or when he said Michelle Obama is a man? Which one was more shocking? Definitely the arbor part. I work in politics.
People say crazy stuff all the time. Well, he says that every fight. Does he? Yeah.
He said it the last time I interviewed him. Well, it's a he's like a pro wrestling character. Like he's lost their minds about it. I know.
Lost their minds about it. To the point where, again, I had the view either the next day or the day after and sort of promote this book. That must be fun. That was crazy.
It was harder than anything I've done in politics. But to the point where all of my comms people, the thing they were most worried about was they're going to ask you about Michelle Obama being called a man. What do you even say about it? And I was like, what an amped up fighter.
Told a joke after a fight. Said something after a fight. And that's actually national news. I'm still surprised.
I've been to politics now for three, four years. I'm still shocked at this shit that people get really fired up. Well, I kind of understand it because it's at the White House. First of all, a cage fight at the White House is crazy already.
I mean, if you said Michelle Obama's a man at the T Mobile Arena in Vegas, it's like a crazy story. What he is is he's a very good fighter. First of all. But sometimes it's not enough to get attention.
And so what Josh has done is created this persona, like this pro wrestling bad guy persona. When you talk to him off stage, he's like very normal, very smart guy. It's just like he's decided, look, I want to maximize the amount of eyeballs that see me. And I'm going to create this crazy person.
It comes out to the Hulk Hogan song. I'm a real American. That's right. That's right.
That's right. That's right. That's right. And he's, I mean, I love the presentation.
I love the presentation. But again, like, not the best thing to say at the White House. Michelle Obama's a man is not the best thing to say. Fair.
I've always thought about it all the time. And what I, OK, I work in a business where obviously people make life decisions, life in death decisions all the time. And I'm always a little bit caught off guard by the culture that just over reacts. When clearly the thing that Josh is trying to get is the overreaction of the first place.
So you give him exactly what he wants. And like the worst you could say is, oh, that was an offensive comment and you can make it all the rest of your life. Like that's the worst that you could say. The people who really flip out about it and kind of lose their minds, I don't understand that.
Well, first of all, I think a lot of it is there is an economy that is essentially based on getting And there's a lot of people that are just, for a lack of a better term, they're not real. Their reactions are performative. A lot of what they're doing is just trying to comment on things and get clicks and likes and views. And social media has ruined discourse in a lot of ways.
Because people are not having real conversations about things. They're reacting to things on Instagram and Twitter. And they look at an opportunity like that like, oh, I found a gold nugget. This is going to give me money or this is going to give me attention.
It's going to get, oh, I can't wait to have a take on that. It's exactly right. So my response to that is so many things is like, oh, he was being funny. He was being outrageous.
And I just move on with my life. What I find very interesting is the people who say, oh, that was a joke. Like when Kiltoni, remember he told like the Joker around the world in Madison Square, you're wearing the 2024 election. I remember getting into an argument with somebody about this.
And he may even be not like in an interview, but I don't remember, could have been private too. Anyway, I'm like, he told a joke. And the person's response is, well, it's not a very funny joke. And my response to that is, you know what happens when somebody tells me a joke that's not funny?
I don't laugh and then I move on with my life. This whole industry around outrage, especially getting outrage around humor, I think is actually really hurting the country. Well, in that case, first of all, I told Tony a long time ago that joke was going to get him stabbed. I really did.
He even jokes around about it on stage. He talks about me telling him that's the one dude. That's the one's going to get you stabbed. Any good joke.
At least he's going to run you a some risk. Well, certainly a racial joke. And that joke being about Puerto Rico. By the way, no one takes a joke better than Puerto Ricans.
Puerto Ricans are some of the best people at telling jokes. Like it is a culture of joking and talking around with each other and talking shit. They're great at it. So like, I love you still.
I'm the four-ringing guys in the Marine Corps, man. That's absolutely true. They love him still. Yes.
Even after that joke. You advised him not to tell that joke. Well, it was kind of half joking. Tony, that's what Tony does.
I just said that's the one that's going to get you stabbed. I mean, Tony is like the Josh Hoket of comedy. But very talented. He's a really good roaster.
He's roasting his specialty. But it's also like he's trying to ruffle people's feathers. That's what he wants to do. He wants to piss people off.
He likes being a pro wrestling heel. He's a huge pro wrestling fan. Well, Tony, I'm a huge fan of his comedy. I've only met him a couple times.
I don't know him particularly well. But he's actually like more political, I would say, than most comedians. Do you think it's fair? Yes.
Yes. Very supportive of like Trump. Like he's on the Republicans. Yes.
He's on the 100%. Because he's experienced so many loony left-wing people in California. Yeah. That's why he had to move.
Well, somebody sent me a clip. I think it was Shane Gillis at a roast where the joke was they were roasting Tony and they're like Tony Hinchcliffe is the only dude who would be excited if JD Fitz was here. And I was like, one, that's a very good joke. And number two, I feel like I'd made.
Like there were a bit of few moments where I feel like I've made it. You're the vice president of the United States. Yeah. I think you made it.
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Yeah, Tony is, I mean, that's his style. He loves being the heel. He's in Austin. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He's one of the first people to move down here with me. Yeah.
I mean, we've been here for six years now. Yeah. And every time we go back to California, we're like, we were right. Yeah, absolutely.
We were right. It's falling apart. It keeps going further and further down the toilet. How do you feel like Austin is going?
Because the criticism of Austin called it five or six years ago is that all that it's a cool town. It's got its own unique culture. It's Texas, but it's also its own thing. But that all of the blue staters moving in were like totally changed the politics and the culture of Austin.
I actually don't think that's happened. I think the blue staters that moved here moved here because they recognized that wherever they were living was not tenable. It was falling apart. And all of these places like New York and really California, like especially Los Angeles and San Francisco, they're falling apart.
And I have a bunch of friends that are stuck there that can't move. Like maybe they have family there or maybe they have a business there. And they fucking hate it. And then I have a bunch of people that are trying to move.
But they can't sell their house. Like it's nuts there. I don't think people, first of all, you get gas. I mean, it's just gaslighting everybody about how well, you know, all the GDP, like the fifth largest country in the world.
That's what California is. It's like, dude, hey, bro, it was like that before you were the governor. Yeah, exactly. Also, how much does a U-Haul cost if you're leaving California?
Right. How much does it cost if you're going to California? Because that's the real measure of whether a state's doing well. Yeah, the state has more people moving out than moving in.
And that has never happened before. Correct. California's when I moved there in 1994 until I left. It was always every year traffic got worse.
Every year more people moved there. Every year. And I loved it. I loved it.
I loved it from the time I moved there. It was like, oh, this is great. It's warm all the time. The weather's fantastic.
There's so much cool stuff to do. The people are great. Yeah. And then politics ruined that.
That's right. So my wife's from Southern California, San Diego. And so we spent a fair amount of time there. And I just, I mean, I still feel a certain sense of like heartbreak over LA.
Oh, I just, every time I'm in LA, you can see why this was like the quintessentially American city. The architecture is beautiful. It's got its own vibe going on. Like you said, the weather is amazing.
And then you drive through Skid Row and you're like, how could any state or any city let this happen? Skid Row is now 55 blocks. It was 50 blocks. Yeah.
And here are two ago. Okay. So my first experience with Skid Row was, so Usha used to work at this like a very fancy litigation firm in Southern California. Of course, from a second lady, she was a corporate litigator.
So there's a Christmas party in downtown LA. And you get these instructions from her firm and they're like this really convoluted way of this is how you have to get to this Christmas party. And I'm like, why do I have to follow these directions? Why don't you just put it in Google Maps?
Right? This is like five or six, seven years ago. So we realized that the reason why they gave you these convoluted directions was so that you could avoid Skid Row at night. And so you get to this party.
You drive through Skid Row if you follow Google Maps's directions. You get there and it's like this beautiful facility with like fancy food and fancy wine. And then there are armed guards outside of it and these gigantic walls. And I realized when I was there, you know what this reminds me of?
This reminds me of going to the US Embassy in Port-au-Prince Haiti. Like super security, crazy wealth and privilege and status on the inside and squalor and misery on the outside. Like it's the first time I'd ever thought America like this part of America is actually more like a third world country than anything that I thought would ever become. Let me ask you this.
Yeah. And I think that that large population centers like places like Los Angeles and New York are almost always run by the Democrats. Yeah. Like what is it about?
First of all, what happened with the last election in Los Angeles, just the primary? I think it was so super sus. Yes it is. And here's why it's super sus.
Not just super sus that Spencer Pratt who is in second place got overtaken by Nithya Ramen in the mail-in ballots, but that the mail-in ballots also passed a tax hike that people voted to pay more taxes in a state where you have the highest taxes. That's right. They're like, we don't pay enough. That is insane.
And then when you have direct evidence, they were recruiting homeless people. That's right. And they were getting homeless people and giving them cigarettes and cash. There's evidence to use their address in mail-in ballots.
Yeah, I would be the Californian Joe who wakes up in the morning and says, you know what? I'm going to vote for higher taxes. I don't pay enough taxes. I feel like we can fix this if I just pay 5% for taxes.
The crazy thing about it too is it's that, okay, so after the initial ballots all came in, it was Karen Bass was number one, Spencer Pratt was right behind her and then number three, whatever this one was. So, you would expect the mail-in ballots to be more or less like the original ballots in terms of one, two, I'm not saying Spencer Pratt's going to win the mail-in ballots, but it just so happened that the third place person in relative terms did a lot better than the first and second place person. It's proportionately better. It's such that the Republican was actually kicked out of the race so that there's not actually a election in California.
That to me was the crazy part. It's like you were designing the vote share in order to kick Pratt out and put the third person into second place. That to me is like a very, very bizarre. Because what is the theory of the mail-in vote that is somehow like so much more pro-Nithia relative to Karen Bass?
Makes no sense. Makes no sense. Makes no sense. Why would it be?
Why would it be? I mean, Karen Bass was ahead by every metric. Yeah. But I mean, okay, so you guys question, why do all these blue states or why do all these big cities, populations, that are going to end up becoming blue?
I think it's like a very complicated right? So one thing, you said this a few months ago and when you said it, I was kind of annoyed by it, but then I thought, there's an element of truth to it, which is that Republicans still fundamentally have a cool problem. There's something more charismatic, more cool about the Democrats as opposed to the right. So you said something about there to be dorks or something on the right.
There's a lot of dorks. Fair. I'd say there's a lot of dorks. There's a lot of dorks.
There's a lot of left, too. Yeah, it's a different kind of dork. It's a different kind of dork. But the point is that there's something, you know, like, okay, if you're a pop star, you're a rock star, you're an actor, you're in all these cultural centers, you're more likely to be left than right.
And so I think that a lot of young people who are attracted to these population centers, they sort of move along with the prevailing culture. I think that's one thing that's going on. I think a second thing that's going on is the people who are sort of attracted to a certain kind of right of center politics, they want the suburbs, they want the single family home, they kind of want to be left alone. They don't want sort of to be able to hear what their neighbors are doing.
It's like a little bit of it's just cultural self-segregation. And that's meant that a lot of these population centers have gone blue. But it's very complicated. I've thought about this a lot.
And I also just, man, I like, I'm not one of these people who says we should just abandon California to the Democrats, like let them deal with their own problems. I think California is like a quintessential part of the American dream. Like if you just abandoned California, you've like lost something very core to American culture. And I just, I don't want to give up on it.
I'm not saying we're going to win California in my lifetime necessarily, but I don't like the idea of giving up on it. Well, it's not just giving up on it. I mean, giving up on it would be terrible. It's an awesome state.
The real problem is it's deeply corrupt. I mean, deeply, deeply corrupt. And what they're trying to do is make it impossible for the other side to win. And there should be laws against that.
First of all, the idea of mailing ballots for anybody other than people who are in vlogs, who can't live their homes or military or people that for some reason, they're serving overseas or doing something overseas, it should not be legal. And the fact that it became ubiquitous during COVID is a giant problem. Yeah, so this raises one of my total segue here, side point. But so if you remember in the aftermath of the 2020 election, where there was all this like debate about was the election stolen, was the election not stolen, all the litigation that moved through, there was a case in Pennsylvania that like didn't get very much attention.
And I'm going to butcher it a little bit. But basically it was a guy in a rural area of Pennsylvania saying, you're under counting my vote because we didn't have the opportunity to do the mail-in ballots like they did in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. And like the argument was a kind of disparate impact, right? The cities ginned up all the mail-in balloting and the ballot harvesting.
You didn't do that in the country. And that hurt sort of our representation. So they take this case to the Pennsylvania courts. Like what's crazy is the Pennsylvania courts basically say, you're making kind of a good point here.
Like the ballot harvesting did affect Republicans in a more negative way. It did mean that certain people and the more rural parts of the state were underrepresented. But then the court conclusion was, this is not a problem a court can fix. Like that's a political problem, change your local elections leaders, change your laws.
Like that's not a remedy that the court has to fix. And so everybody saw that case and they're like, oh, the judge rules against Donald Trump rules against Republicans for saying that there was something illegitimate. But no, actually the judge kind of said, there is something kind of fishy here. We're just the wrong venue to fix it.
Well, it's just very disheartening that you have to consider the fact that it's really possible that the elections get stolen. And the California one was a big one for me. And why not just have mail-in or why not just have voter ID? Yeah.
That's the same. Not only did they not have voter ID, you can't show your ID. You're not allowed to show your ID. You can impact the prosecutor if you try to force somebody to show their ID.
Which is that seems like you want people to cheat. Exactly. And this is from the same people that were saying you have to have an ID that shows you've been vaccinated just four years ago to go to a restaurant shopping or to go to a restaurant. Yeah.
No, it's definitely that's the part about it that I think makes most people of my political persuasion skeptical of what the Democrats are doing. If you don't want to cheat in the election, then just make everybody actually show an ID. I think people won't realize this. I didn't realize until a couple years ago.
The voter ID solves a lot of the mail-in ballot problem. Because if you have to show an ID in order to get a mail-in ballot, in order to actually confirm that there's a real identification attached to that vote, that solves a big chunk of the problem too. This is just logical. I'm not skeptical.
I'm not skeptical. I'm not skeptical. I'm accusing them. I think they stole the election.
Yes. I think it's common. And this idea that elections can't be stolen, I always say to people, okay, do you think that the amount of election fraud is zero percent? No one thinks that.
No one thinks it's zero. Because there's always some overzealous person that works somewhere that's doing something. There's always crazy people that are like blue no matter who, we got to win or red no matter what. There's always people right and left that are going to try to rig the election because they think it's imperative.
Look, we saw there was people like Oprah Winfrey was saying it. If we don't win this election, you may never vote again. What the fuck are you talking about? Who's going to tolerate that?
That's crazy. That's crazy. But that attitude allows people to justify cheating. And I think they cheat.
I think they've been trying to forever. I don't think there's any other reason why you would have no voter ID. And they try to say, oh, it's racist to have voter ID. Like, what are you talking about?
Do you think other races are incapable of going to the DMV? That's insane. It's racist. It's actually super racist.
That's really racist. The implication of their argument is literally like blacks and Hispanics cannot go to the DMV to get an ID. By the way, if you look at the polling, black Americans are as pro-voter ID. Even the most black Americans vote Democrat, they're still pro-voter ID as much as white Americans is.
Most Americans are voter ID. This is a pro-voter ID except for operatives. I'll offer on the Joe Rogan podcast this deal as vice president of these United States that if Democrats really don't think that there's any cheating, give us voter ID. I just don't know how it's not.
Give us voter ID and we'll stop talking about this. Why is that not a federal thing? We are trying to make a federal thing. So we are right now trying to pass the Save America Act.
One of its main provisions is a requirement that you do voter ID. And we actually have, I think, a majority of the Senate that would support it. But this is just weird, Senate procedural bullshit. There is a subsegment of people who want voter ID but won't blow up the filibuster in order to achieve it.
And so they're so married to these old world Senate procedures that they're going to make an impossible for us to pass the Save America. Now, we are, for what it's worth trying to fix that and trying to address these like weird procedural archaic things. It's insane though. Like if you ever, okay, I'm sure you people talk about the filibuster all the time.
I'm only going too far down this rabbit hole. Here's what the filibuster is. It is a pure Senate rule. It is a creation of the Senate procedures, which basically says that anything that has to do with the budget is a 50 vote threshold.
And anything that everything else non-budgetary is a 60 vote threshold. Now, as you can imagine, there's some gray area on things that maybe your count as budget issues and should be 50 or are not budget issues and count at 60. So what we have tried to persuade the Senate to do is to treat the voter ID as something that can fall within the 50 vote threshold. And there is no law, there's no provision in the Constitution.
It is legitimately that there are senators who are so attached to the idea that budget is 50, non-budget is 60, that they're quite literally willing to prevent voter ID in America. God. Feel like you know enough to start your own podcast? We got it.
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It's so crazy. And it's also like the idea that somehow we're not like, Kathy Hocho had the craziest take on it. Did you see her take on it? I have not.
I was talking about black people in inner cities not even knowing what a computer is. Did you ever see that? No, I didn't see that. Oh my God.
It was so crazy. And then this one comedian, this black comedian did this hilarious video where he was like circling around a computer staring at it, like touching it, like he didn't know what it was. Just like, what are you talking about? Everyone has a phone.
That's a computer. So many of these democratic talking points presume that their own voters are actually needs. That's actually there's a big difference between, you know, Republicans, we sort of presume that our voters are adults and you don't see that with, I'm not saying every Democrat of course, I don't want to cast a broad brush here. It's like, you know, Gavin Newsom did this speech a few months ago.
The president, I think it's the funniest thing ever because he's like speaking to a group of black leaders and black businessmen, but it's like an audience that is 95% black. And they're asking him about his dyslexia and his struggle with education. And he basically says, yeah, you know, I'm not very smart, like a lot of you. It's like, whoa, I can't even read.
What? There's a ton of interviews where he's talking about all the books he reads. Like he's so full of shit. Yeah.
He's full of shit, but it's admirably full of shit. It's I admire the fucking sheer tenacity that he has in being full of shit. It's amazing. It really is amazing.
But it speaks to the incentives of there's kind of like, look, there's a real populism, not very much a fan of because I think you should be responsive to people, but there's like a faux populism of the way that I'm going to appeal to people is by assuming that they're idiots and acting like they're idiots. Yeah. And then, but if you're committed enough to that bit, eventually it kind of leaks out what you're doing. And I think that's that was sort of what Gavin did there as he told on himself a bit.
Yeah. Well, it was just, it's just bizarre. He's bizarre. I will say I only met Gavin.
I think I've only met him one time in my life. And it was such a crazy experience. So the debate between Biden and Trump during the 2024 cycle. And I'm there.
I'm actually doing an interview for a documentary when the debate starts. And there's this clip of me, the debate starts. I'm in the middle of this interview. There's a big screen behind me as I'm talking to the camera, which is here.
And I kind of freeze and I look back at the TV and I'm like, oh my God, like this is actually happening. Biden is imploding because if you remember, it was obvious for the get go. So I go to the spin room afterwards. And that's where you know, all these reporters and all the surrogates of the candidates is before I was the VP nominee.
And I'm just like, you know, talking about how great the president did, how bad president Biden. Okay. And it really looks like he's seen a ghost. Like I've never seen a person who as good of a bullshitter as he is, who realized there was a no selling that performance.
Like, can you imagine like try to put yourself in the perspective of a human being, how we start, you know, be empathetic where Joe Biden has just had that debate and you have to go on and see an end to talk about how great the job Joe Biden did. Well, my favorite is Joe Scarborough because Joe Scarborough before it was like, you know, I'm going to say something and F you if you can't take it. This is the sharpest Biden we've ever seen. Have you ever seen that?
No, I know it's amazing. And then after the debate, he's like, we got to get rid of him. He's got to go. What did you say?
You just said a couple of months ago, this is the best Biden ever. That's wild. Well, it's like, I wonder what was going on with that. Because like the debates were earlier than they've ever been before.
And it seemed to me, it's like there was a concerted effort to hide what was wrong with 100%. Everybody was bullshitting. Everybody was gaslighting us. We all saw it.
I remember a friend of mine who's super progressive, super liberal, you know, when I talked about on a podcast, I'm like, this is crazy. Even if he wins, he's not going to be the guy that's the president, you're going to have his cabinet that are running everything. Turn out. I was right.
And they were saying, oh, don't you understand that he has a stutter? And I said, where the fuck was that stutter in the 1990s? Like, that's crazy. Like a stutter that only shows up when you're 80?
That doesn't make any sense. Yeah. Like, this is a lie. You're lying.
He's had two brain surgeries, like where they have to take the top of your head off. Literally, they have to take like a cap. Wait, Biden had two brain surgeries? Oh, yeah.
I did not know this. I did know they had two brain surgeries. Yeah, two brain surgeries. Jimmy, please look at that.
Wow. Make sure that I'm right. I'm 99% sure I'm right. But I know he had one that was like, you found out words.
Yeah. Well, it kept him alive. It kept him alive. Biden has not undergoing recent brain surgery.
He underwent two successful life-saving brain surgeries to repair two intracranial aneurysms in 1988. I did not know this. That's pretty crazy. His medical professionals have stated that he made a full recovery and suffered no lasting brain damage or cognitive impairment from these procedures.
Oh, it's from the Washington Post. So you know it's accurate. And definitely not biased at all. And these medical professionals, with those the same people that said that the COVID vaccine is safe and effective, we live in a wonderful time for bullshit.
It's like, because they don't shit you right to your face. We do. You have two brain surgeries, like major brain surgeries, because you have aneurysms. I don't care who you are.
That's probably the guy who did some damage. He's going to leave some. And he's going to leave some. It's a real problem.
It's a real thing. Your brain is bleeding. Yeah. He puts eye for maneurysms all the time.
The crazy thing is, I never even knew about that. How do you not know about that? That's nuts. I know about it.
Well, it speaks to how constrained our media environment is that even I never heard. Right. It was not part of the narrative. It's certainly not from the Democrats.
But yeah, he's, it was clearly, I just don't understand why they ran him in the first place. The whole thing made no sense. And then to have no primary and just stick Kamala in there. And then also pretend that she's the best thing ever.
And like this idea, like complete flip of her being the least popular vice president ever. Always sticking her foot in her mouth. Always saying crazy shit. How dare we say Merry Christmas?
You know what I'm saying? What are you saying? Like joy is bad. Merry Christmas is bad.