The Joe Rogan experience Great great great we're just talking about peace of mind and dealing with cukes is there anybody who argues online more than you do Oh, you might be the you might be the number one guy who I see in clips like constantly getting an arguments with people online I'm not sure that there is anybody who takes on more debates yearly high and low profile than I do Yeah, I mean even casual ones correct. It's like you're always sparring. It's like you're always you know I think that gives you a sharp for sure gives you sharp if you're so I also have this rule that you know There's like the cloud game online, right? All these people want to play the cloud game What is this exactly the cloud game?
It's like you have you don't have a big enough follower account for me to respond to you You don't have a big enough audience for me to discuss things with you You know things like that and it's like I hate that that seems pretty silly It is silly and some of the best debates I've ever had with guys who had like four followers on X And like let's go down this next base and talk and I'll hop in there with him I'm like an hour later I go like I had a lot good stuff to say a lot of people out there And oftentimes those the ones who don't have a lot of followers because they're not sucked into the social media Web they're just out there thinking and doing things living their life Oh, a lot of fucking interesting people out there You never hear from and a lot of not interesting people for you hear from constantly all the time It's like the politician thing, you know, it's like we were talking about that the other day like there's this lady that's running for I got something she running for governor, Wisconsin Is that what it is and she was just talking about how Thanksgiving hurts people Yeah, yeah, I don't know her background. I think it's the same lady at one point on she was a mental institution Why is this not a shock me doesn't shock me? But this was the point we're saying nobody wants to be the fucking governor and the people that do or there's a high percentage of Gooks. Yeah power attracts Strange people sometimes it attracts good people.
Yes, it's usually it often and but often those are the people who go in and they want to Change it like the idea that they have is look I'm trying to run for the right reasons because I actually want to change how this works But they're feeling far between and they get killed Or they get run off a lot of them just get involved in That like they're normal day-to-day life, you know from 20 years prior now suddenly that's coming up, you know And they have to defend themselves against criticisms that they never would have believed that they would have to Defend themselves right yeah, and so character assassination. I think takes a lot of the good actors out They don't want to deal with the character assassination Well, it seems like they want total compliance on both sides on both parties total compliance with the party And if they think that you're gonna be some outsider rebel that's gonna take over the fuck you well You kind of I think you kind of have to have that a little bit though because if you got universal suffrage Necessarily everything converges into a two-party system. So as suffrage expanded throughout history You saw the emergence of parties right alongside of it is more people became enfranchised to vote Women couldn't vote there wouldn't be parties there probably would still be parties it probably still be a two-party System, it's just that how it works is that if we continuously expand suffrage Let's just say we expand it to another group of men now those men have some special interest right so if it's not just property owners Let's say it's now you know people who live in a city well They want a levy pass so that their kids can go to school right so they pass it on the property owners Now they can vote to hand themselves money So now you have a wedge issue and so you'll see parties start to form around these wedge issues And the more you have universal suffrage the more you end up with party politics and so you have a convergence of two and usually It's along a certain wedge issue So the only way in a dialectic where you have two parties and Democrat and Republican to get your your legislation passed is to be able to Outvote the other side right so you kind of have to have them all in line or else that makes sense And there's no room in this country at the current point in time for another party No one would accept it we think about other parties like they're a goof the Green Party like it's a that's a protest vote You know libertarian party has done that I've done a few protest votes back my day Yeah, I talked with I was arguing with Rex Jones the other day to Alex Jones's kid about this and I told him Like look you don't have a prayer and starting a third party in time for midterms and in the presidential election That's coming up in just a couple short years. You're not gonna be able to replace this system You're not going to be able to do their to their roots go too deep there They're too intertwined in power and influence like think about the infrastructure billions of dollars in NGO funding Mm-hmm all the outreach program just to get on a ballot in a state is often a multi-million dollar thing that you need to have a party apparatus behind Yeah, it's kind of nuts right multi-million dollars to to spend to get a job that pays you a hundred and seventy thousand dollars What what oh what do you think that fucking student loans are a scam?
That's a crazy one of these guys come in for their hundred thousand dollar a year job And then they leave and they have twenty five million dollars in the bank. Yeah, that happens often often happens I want to get all that money. Yeah, well, they how about the ill hand Omar thing? Oh, yeah That was wild like they estimated her net worth somewhere like you know It was millions like 30 million or something crazy And then she said it was a error and then it was actually like a lot less than that like a hundred thousand or something like really reasonable Like you imagine if your accountant was so bad you like hey Mike how much money am I worth it?
And he's like I think you were 30 million and you're like fuck yeah, dude think about buying a Corvette You got any got three thousand dollars in the bank Call Mike the next day and you say so 30 million is actually it was an error you're worth about a hundred grand You're like hey Mike. I'm gonna kill you because you stole 30 million dollars for me That doesn't make any sense hundred percent and do you think do you think maybe she like strategically started moving some things with her account? So how about there was a Own that never made a bottle of wine sounds right is that a case? Litticase with one of those businesses that closed down listen and pick on her It's if you look at the Republicans and the Democrats when it comes to insider trading.
It's fucking everybody It's red blue red blue red blue it is this is not a one party thing. This is why it's never gonna stop They're both dipping their toes in they're both having fun You basically always have the expectation of corruption So even if you put your candidates in so you're trying to get something out of that right some issue Yeah, trying to push forward you almost make into the system have to accept a certain amount of corruption is going to come out of that So like I'm gonna be a really good example of that key wedge issue like abortion So you got Christians who are just adamant right just got stopped Well, they accept if it's the case that candidates are really moving the post on that if they're really moving legislation against abortion Do you think that they would turn a blind eye to a little bit of corruption? Probably this episode is brought to you by square space if you're thinking about building a website you should try square space I know because I use it. That's right Joe Rogan calm is powered by square space It has all the features that you need to create a stand out website like an AI enhanced website builder SEO optimization tools and seamless checkouts with mobile pay links head to square space calm For a free trial and when you are ready to launch use the offer code Rogan to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain This episode is brought to you by uber eats hockey seasons here and uber eats is delivering game-day deals on Favorites like wings pizza fries and snacks and you can order more than food like gear to rep your team or fresh batteries for the remote When your watch party gets hungry or you just need anything Order in and keep everyone's attention on the ice score great deals on uber eats all season long because hockey is for the hungry Terms apply product availability varies by region see app for details Yeah, there's definitely some compromises that get made both in your morals and the way you view financial issues and all kinds of things I mean, it's never especially there's only two parties like you're with us or against us and them It's good and evil that's it in this country.
That's really how people look at on both sides It's good versus evil, but you have an alternative there. That's that's even worse or can at least sometimes be worse Let's go to like the UK or Canada places like this where they do round voting. Yeah more two parties That's true. But do you really want your president to be elected with 10% of the vote?
Right 15% of the vote you want your politicians to be put in with 9% of the vote? Oh, yeah, because that can happen. Yeah, that's cool Yeah between these rounds and so you think about it and you go this two party system sucks But then you look at other places that have multiple parties and they do their rounds of voting like wait So you could get elected with only 14% of those so everybody else hates you Yeah, this is the weird argument of the benevolent dictator I'm sure you've heard this argument but that a society is best run by benevolent dictator Someone who really truly has ultimate power but actually cares a good person that cares about the people that really just wants things to be Reasonable and have a working meritocracy and have a working economy and have working education and everything work correctly And weed out all of the corrupt fraud and corruption because he's a king and he just like you just do it Do whatever the fuck you want, you know, like I'd have only been to Dubai one time because we had a UFC over there And I had to go to the way ins the way ins were in Dubai So a lot of fucking Ferraris and Lamborghinis in 10 minutes, but from what I hear It's the most safe place on earth like literally like there's a mani under Vlad Yeah, like we just like from any under Vlad the Impaler How can you how you hang gold in the street and he doesn't look around a bunch of people in pale everywhere He would do them in designs. He would do them in geometric patterns So you would realize he's being creative with impaling people.
He wasn't messing around. Oh, no, no, no story Yeah, he was kidnapped when he was a small boy. Whoo a lot to that guy and his brother Yeah, they're there they're you know inter-brother Conflict that they had for years and how he got power lost power. Yeah, there's a there's a tale to be told about Vlad the Impaler for sure But probably a pretty safe place to live Yeah Dubai like if they catch you with the bag of weed you're gonna jail for the rest of your life or they'll kill you Yeah, they've they've crazy loss.
There was one guy. I think it was Dubai who I Think he had like marijuana seeds in the soul of his shoes or something like that like he had stepped on a marijuana seed maybe in his apartment Yeah, and he was didn't have any drugs on him nothing and they put him in jail for a long time, man I forget this was a few years back, but it was a crazy case. There was another lady who got arrested I forget what happened, but she later a guy tested positive for poppy because she had poppy seed bagel I don't know if you know this but if you're testing for drugs and you eat a poppy seed bagel You could pop for heroin. Yeah, I've heard that but doesn't with modern test isn't a little bit better now.
Oh, so I don't know 2008 This is a British traveler into by with stop the airport lab found at 0.003 grams of cannabis in his shoe sole Holy fuck. Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy. He received a mandatory four-year sentence under the UAE strict drug laws Those he was later released early early early early so the British government came in and tried to barter him out of there I'm guessing I guess or the whole world must have been so outraged.
I Mean at a certain point time. They have to say we run the risk of never having tourists visit us again And devise a very tourist central place sure but I have a front who moved over there a while back He moved back to America recently, but he moved over there and he was he was like dude is just safe for me You know, I don't worry if I go out, you know, someone's gonna like he's big black guy He's like I don't want to get shot. He goes. I worry if I go out.
He goes over here There's nothing like that. There's no crime because everything's nice everything's clean We're gonna leave a Rolex on the street. They'll pick it up and turn into the cops like nobody steals nothing over there But there's a trade-off for that, right? I'm gonna be showing my geometric patterns of dead people everywhere on spikes who we inhaled from their buttocks through their throats I immediately know I go for a while.
I don't think they do that nearby, but they let you know Yeah, you're not fucking around. There's no fucking around. I saw some lady getting a screaming match She was trying to do the thing that a lot of people do in America at the airport and she got an screaming thing with the lady at the counter They're like not today They just come over and fucking cuff you up and take you away like you can't you can't do that there You can't like you can't spirit airlines, you know, do you prefer that would you prefer that society? I don't think people should be able to just fucking scream and yell at people that work behind counters I don't think that's productive.
I don't think smacking them in the head because they can't get you a flight We've all seen that kind of shit. There should be zero tolerance for that kind of violence But what if we tweaked it a different way, okay? So what if instead of bringing in like some crazy sharia in order to make sure that that happy to prop back dueling like when Doing solve like 95% of this doing requires people to wait before they turn around shoot That I'm not trusting a guy who wants to kill me to not jump but that depends on the rules, right? Like you could adjust the rules a little bit Yes, but if you could call somebody out for switching you or something like this, right?
It's like I think people probably be a lot more polite, wouldn't they? They probably would I think there's probably a better way than shooting each other on a street probably probably But there's probably a better way than like fist fights. That there's a better way than that too You don't have to fist fight like come on, but you know there's certainly something to be said for a society that is more orderly and people follow the rules and as long as the rules make sense and These people are friendly and kind and they make for good community members That's not putting up with mentally illunatics just walking around causing problems everywhere Yes, what American society is now dealing with you? Would you see what just happened in Wisconsin where they had the they had their own autonomous zone?
Okay, just got broken up today by the cops. I didn't see got broken up today Yeah, so you can find it Jamie. There was a video footage just fucking army of cops Game in arrested everybody's spray paint all the streets and it gets declared autonomous On public I like what is never chaz and chop? We just declared this an autonomous zone.
Sorry Madison officials clear Willy Street encampment police officers arrest protesters who resist at Corey Ruiz Memorial Say I do not know this Corey Ruiz story Corey Ruiz Memorial show is it something ice related perhaps? I think that's what this is right. Is that what this is Jamie? Did something happen something happened something got shot right?
You don't know about it either. See that's the problem There's so many fucking things in the news that it's impossible unless you're a maniac and you're just online all day It's impossible to know exactly what's going on. You take a couple days off and smell the roses and you get back online How come you haven't commented on what is it? I got a catch up for four days for one day.
Yeah, also like what hot take maybe you shouldn't have a hot take on everything Maybe some things you need to like let it play out in the news like let people dissect it see now that I wish that that was a message That more people got the idea that you don't have to rush immediately out there to tell everybody your latest hottest take Which is oftentimes by the way stupid. Yeah stupid take is you have no information right, but you're gonna rush out there You're gonna get those views and click squick, but then you're married to that take exactly Yeah, and unless you come back and make another video or make another take and explain why you fucked it up But I think that there's there's something to be said for like there's a lot of stories that are the news Like I don't fucking know exactly what happened there Like let's let this one play out a little bit like this one seems weird like if I come out with a hot Like who fucking knows what's really going on with 15 to like there's so many different stories in the news It's impossible. What's that Jimmy? I didn't find the details, but it is a police killing it says officer involved Mmm of Cory Ruiz and that's not doesn't looking for evidence and video.
I didn't check Twitter anything yet Put it into perplexity ask perplexity. What is the controversy about the killing of Cory Ruiz? You can't you can't be this we're not designed to get all the bad news of 8 billion people It's not designed for that. That's not a normal thing for a person to absorb also driving a lot of people crazy crazy drive them drive it To insanity they think they start to see conspiracy everywhere they start to see You know plots of interest where there aren't any right it starts to actually drive people mad Because they can't disassociate between the fact that there is sensationalism and then there's reality and the way that people think they think in frames Yeah, so if you think in a conspiratorial frame, you're usually taking tangential things and piecing them together that don't belong Right, but then if you think in an autistic frame is my friend Paul Paul would say if you think an autistic frame You're gonna hone down so deep on one detail that you miss the entirety of the picture Mmm, right so you have to have an idea between these two things right it's like it's beer see success We know this many of them exist.
There's many of them. I can stay off the top of my head like I'm K ultra That was a conspiracy that existed. Yeah, right? There's but there's also a lot that don't right and so how do you disassociate between the two?
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I hope they're only hurting me Yeah, right or how do you assess the amount of force that you can use back when someone stabbing you? I think that that's responding with legal force. What did you say Jamie? But it's also how big is this guy if he's got all these people and are these like a bunch of like shitty untrained police officers They don't know any martial arts when you say he's restrained like how restrained was he you know I mean like if you got two dudes that are Built like Tony Hinchcliffe and they're trying to hold me back from fucking somebody up.
It's not gonna do nothing That you know what I mean? Yeah, it's like how big is this guy what what happened? Was he the one that was stealing things or was he wrongly accused? Does he have a record is he a violent person?
I don't know anything Is he a complete innocent bystander? This is the video video contains graphic content, okay? That's it So there's probably multiple videos. Yeah, yeah The thing about the tasers is it's fucking weird man tasers on some people they lock them up and they fucking and they fall down I've seen guys just scream and rip those things off their chest like it's nothing well sometimes those probes don't penetrate either Right, I think some of those tasers are bunk too 100% some of the tasers are just shit equipment I mean that's the only thing that makes sense so these guys did you ever play with one of the handhelds when you were a kid?
No, somebody always had a handheld somewhere no I never did a job for electric fence though once yeah Oh, yeah, that'll make your teeth laugh. Holy fuck dude It's letting go that's hard. Yeah Disturbing video, okay. Oh the sound on it Okay, hold on man back up back up.
What was he reaching for? Is that the girl woman shoots him? Oh, yeah Okay, that's crazy That does not look justified Unless he had a knife and was stabbing people but even if he was stabbing so like how much control do they have on him before she starts shooting him Was it that she could shot him? Yes, look see she backs away watch They taste them to get into the ground and she shoots him why they've got him down on the ground Yeah, that's not good That's crazy Again, I don't know what happened I don't know if he stabbed one of them she really did have a knife was stabbing but it seems like they had him restrained But like a lady stands back and extends her arms with a character.
Oh Oh, you're right. It looked like he's oh, it's the guy shoots him. Yeah, she had the she's shooting him with a taser Oh, let me see that again Kind of tell is it so it's the guy in the back I think it's a guy in the front. So if you the dude in the back you see the guy right next to you that guy shoots him It looks like it.
I'm not sure it's really close to god. They seem like oh, yeah, I get the shot stop He puts his hand his gun back right if you think maybe it was him. Yes Fuck man That does not look good That's not a good one. No, no, no doesn't look right.
No. That means you have to give us your hot take now Yeah, that's my hot to run to Twitter. Wait, I need to know like did you actually stab one of them? Two of the cops are injured in the altercation Police said the suspect allegedly pulled out a fixed blade knife to which an officer pulled out a taser same officer shot him with a gun Okay, that's different.
So if you really pulled out a knife was trying to stab them and they had them on the ground And they couldn't totally get control of them and that guy just decides he stabbed me. I'm gonna shoot him That's a different thing. I agree. That's different Also, we didn't have the front view right we see the view from the back.
It's very blurry the whole thing We didn't even know who shot without the lady shot him. It's hard to tell what the fuck is going on You can't even tell if it's a taser or gunner and it's that blurry, but if he stabbed them and he's got a knife That's a different thing right the whole thing is fucked though. Like that is the last thing American needs right now Yeah, I mean you don't want another riot season I mean I wonder if people would go right into it the way they did before without USA itself Here's what a witness that he saw when this game flying around on his bicycle one officer tackled him two other officers kind of rushed over One of the officers yells he has a knife one of the officers then draws a taser and yells taser taser taser taser He tasers him so it says he tasers him, but wasn't that the woman? I'm not sure that she actually tasered him or she just had her weapon.
She might just had her weapon out Uh he tases him and the victim falls to the ground The three continue to struggle for a second or two then one of the officer stands just a couple feet above his head shooting the victim three times Three times to the head holy fuck. It did look like he was the shooter Okay, so that's what we saw yeah And the thing the tell for that was as soon as he was done You put it where that's your cops working right Additional video that has been not been circulated online. That's being reviewed. Oh, why don't they have body cameras?
And that's what I mean. That's probably part of the whole protest was that their cameras were not on so if they didn't have them I don't know. Do they let's find that out. Do they not have them or were they not on?
A lack of body cameras. None of the officers involved were wearing body cameras. Hmm. So none of them.
That's it. Are they supposed to? Yeah, it may not be part of the audience I don't know about the medicine. How about fix that.
Yeah, yeah fix that You know cops often are the ones who suggest that yeah for their own for their own safety They say that they want to wear body cams I've seen a lot of crazy body cam footage where a guy is pulling someone over and they're just having a casual conversation All some of the guy pulls a gun out and starts shooting them I've seen a bunch of those tons these are the routine traffic stops constantly You have to always think like if you're in an altercation with a cop These people are always worried that this is where their life is gonna end. They're always worried that they're gonna get shot They're oh they've seen those videos too So if you start shit with a cop and he freaks out and goes the wrong direction like you're probably dealing with a guy who's got some serious PTSD Yeah, he's seen it before or he's got him gotten plugged right there. Yeah, I have a friend who Spent a lot of times overseas deployed and he said in combat and he said he saw way more as an Austin cop Like way more fucked up things and all the time whereas, you know, you're not wore all the time You know in firefights all the time. He was like every day every day You're seeing something fucked up you cannot see any see it with kids Yeah, things you got to deal with the kids things you got to deal with with all sorts of things like things That is not a fun job No, and I would not want it at all so I always do tend to cut law enforcement quite a bit of grace until I hear what their Side of things are yeah That is a that is a brutal job to have a buddy minds of deputy sheriff and I talked with any he's policing a small area And he's like it's the stuff of the kids it gets him.
Yeah, exactly like that's the stuff You know, we go into a junkie's house. There's a two-year-old there hasn't eaten in four days, you know Like that's the stuff that really He's like a rather shoot a person than that Which kind of makes sense to me right like I would it does I probably would to you know when you think about Who should be allowed to have kids who should be like that's what's really crazy about freedom is that any two crackheads with no money at all? Just on the side of the road and he can nut inside her and that creates a life and that life They're responsible for and they're smoking crack and drinking ever clear and they have a baby growing inside their body No one can do anything about it. It's like there's no protection for that baby There's no nothing and that if that baby is born if it does live like, you know, you talk to people that have actually like Been in a delivery room with crack babies.
It's like oh my god The horror stories about a child addicted to drugs coming out of the womb addicted to drugs. Yeah and detoxing heavily addicted heavily Yeah, yeah, it's so hard. It's ghoulish. It's so twisted.
It's like people can be so awesome and so shit at the same time coexisting on the same patch of dirt and No one devises legitimate strategy for mitigating the amount of people that suck and the problems with can it can it even be done? I don't know not with freedom. I mean this is the flock camera question, you know Do you want big brother looking at your license plate everywhere you go? Well, listen if someone shoots up like that was this is an argument that Mark Andreessen made on this podcast when he had come here Right after he right before he had come here.
There was a shooting in Austin where some kids just randomly started shooting at people And then they couldn't find them in Austin But as soon as they left Austin city limits they went to an area that had flock cameras and they got them like that So this was his argument for the benefits of flock cameras, but I do believe you invest in flock camera sure I mean but you can make that argument with CCTV as well. You can make sure that argument with everyone where it's up Yeah, everyone where a body can't sure the thing is is you have to be cautious with the idea of the nanny state for another reason besides just Protecting people's independent privacy is because of those things often become money wells for people to steal from the public trough Oh, yeah, and that is the major issue All right, so some of the some of the reasons I tend even though I'm on the paleo christian side to lean towards a lot of the freedom elements over the Nines because of the corruption the corruption which happens oftentimes when you try to curtail too much Right that in and of itself creates a system and that system becomes ripe for corruption Let me give you an example flock camps who we were in the contracts to right and who's gonna be servicing those contracts Who's going to be doing these things right? That's where you start to see with new systems there becomes new corruption So it has to be a way to curtain But there's some things that are pretty obvious that you can curtail and who cares if people bitch about it like let's take online prostitution Okay, great. It's illegal to do only fans.
Let's say how the hell could that possibly be bad versus I'm like what is what is that going to do? That's just oh, we gotta have that though Andrew We got it. We gotta have that it's like I don't think we do I don't think it's necessary And if we got rid of it like who cares, you know, it seems like it would just be a massive net positive for every human being That was just done away with altogether and it's like what the systems that come in too though for policing it are prone to corruption So you gotta be cautious about it right right gotta be cautious about it Also, I just don't like people telling people what to do even if they shouldn't be doing it I don't like it. I mean to an extent though, right like they're heroin actually like now Yes, well even that like I don't think you should be a heroin addict But I don't think I should be the one to tell you not to do heroin I don't because I think that's a slippery slope and then it's don't smoke cigarettes and then it's because cigarettes are killing you And then it's don't drink whiskey because you could be a drunk driver and kill a family of five like it's all the same shit It's like I think that all those have kind of the same impact on society ultimately well the heroin thing is a weird one because Because like the argument I make would be like the incest argument and be like look that's out lot for a good reason But what if you have two people are totally sterile like they can't have kids right?
What's the moral argument that can be made and there people are like well, there's I can't really make a More gross just gross fucking your shit. Yeah, what do you do it? It's just gross and it's like well But can we legislate off of it's just gross and the kind of the libertarian mind said is no we can't and I think yeah We can't okay with that like I'm okay about I remember talking about debating what you do what would you do? Would you arrest some guy and his sister if you found out they were born in each other or rest him?
Why not like how would that how would deterring that society wide ever be a bad idea? I don't think it is however, it's technically a victimless crime especially under the circumstances that you described Where's their both sterile? I do not think you should be able to do that now But I don't think you should do that I should say but in the case of Cersei and what's his face? What's the other dude's name in Game Thrones the brothers?
Oh, yeah, I really seem like they were in love dude Like incest babies right who went on rule kingdoms and they were all like Joffrey Joffrey's probably didn't want the incest baby in charge of the kingdom didn't work out So what the other incest baby was in charge of the kingdom he jumped off the roof true Now what's a Jon Snow technically doing incest as well with the queen of dragons like what they're related? Yeah, they're in the basket. They were they were pretty right something Yeah, there's a lot of half a sister of something the Game of Thrones. Oh, yeah, yeah, but the other argument there That's interesting is it's like okay.
That's you know fair enough to victimless crime But you just kind of extend that like okay. Well, then why can't I have five lives? Why can't you have to wait? Why can't 20 game in I'll get married and adopt one child and just victimless crime?
Yeah, it's like so there doesn't the slippery slope kind of go the other way a little bit too Yeah, it does it does go the other way and the The multiple wives thing didn't they just pass something like that in Toronto? Wasn't that in Ontario? Were there allowing polygamy now because they have so many Islamic people living there that think that you should be allowed to have well? You remember there was big pushes for that in Utah because of the population.
Oh, yeah, well, that's why Mitt Romney's family moved to Mexico Yeah, really. Oh, yeah, it was you know, it was you know, it was new to the multiple lives Well, not specifically but that sect of Mormonism fled the United States when they passed polygamy laws And I think there was probably just a broader crackdown on this perceived new cult they thought of it as a cult now It's established religion of really nice people that knock on your door. Yeah, I must admit I have debated many Mormons and they're just a nice nice nice people. It's the best cult It makes me it like it's upsetting because I'm like look I'm about to expose that your profit was totally fake and you know I'm trying to get people into the debate and they just end up being like the nicest people and I go oh man So having multiple wives or spouses is illegal in Canada under section 293 polygamy and section 290 big at me What is big at me?
Isn't that is that the other way is big at me the other way? I mean is the man with multiple what do you know what it is Jamie? Do you know big at me is? Have I heard of it?
I don't think I've ever seen that written the act of marrying one person while still legally married. Oh, okay. Oh a big amest right What? Four people at once in somewhere another recently like this year in America Canada see Canada's married to four women at once I've got multiple marriage licenses and should not have given them or something.
Oh, well, he doesn't look Muslim That guy looks like he's just a regular Christian guy. Oh, well, he doesn't Might not be though. He might just be a baller. He could be a moozlem Go back to that case in Canada.
No, isn't there something where they're trying to pass it in Toronto? I don't think so. I'm gonna type in Toronto multiple. I know Toronto, Ontario polygamy I think they were trying to pass something.
I mean I said I went to news to see something Ottawa maybe was Ottawa. Yeah Canada polygamy No new law in Canada legalizing multiple wives perhaps proposed law. Yeah, well, maybe it is a proposed law Maybe I just read some horseshit on Twitter, which is very possible Who have been off Twitter for a few days? I feel pretty good.
It's good to get an employee from Twitter Yeah, every now and then I just go in and like how are they mad at now? Oh God. Nice question. Yeah If you went into to X tomorrow, let's say and there was an option there where you could select it and it's like US accounts Only that's all you can see.
Do you think that 90% of the traffic for people would go away a giant percentage huge percentage is people being manipulated into arguments It is a strategy by foreign assets is a strategy is real. This is not tin foil hat shit We brought this up multiple times in the podcast, but I'll bring it up again just for the sake of this There was an FBI analyst who took a look at Twitter when Elon was buying it and he estimated that 80% of Traffic is bots. This doesn't surprise me. Remember YouTube didn't internal audit and when they did their internal audit This was a few years back and when I when Susan still ran it I believe they didn't internal audit and found out that most of the people that they need to were bots and they did a great purge All right, that's where they had that whole dead internet theory and all that started to pick up traction was it?
Hey, look a lot of this stuff is bots foreign accounts people who are manipulating US Elections they're manipulating various US interests and this is happening all over the place. Yeah, right now You have progressives who are funded by act blue right and I've proven this we've we traced all their money progressives funded by act blue Who are pushing the same narrative that like Candace Owens and others are pushing on the idea of Charlie Kirk's death and the conspiracy around that So you have absolutely being paid to push this well their stated mission this particular progressive group their stated mission was to take down TPU say I'll tell you a story. This is the tail of old Okay, so Charlie Kirk has this huge outreach program that's happening through TPU say on these college campuses He's got viral clip after viral clip after viral clip after viral clip. They are going wild He's going campus to campus.
He's doing this thing. He's being dogged by a progressive organization This progressive organization shows up at almost all of these TPU say events with a stated mission of trying to create a counter movement to what TPU say is doing Now the woman who heads this particular organization received millions of dollars from act blue and other progressive organizations for this stated mission that same woman right this second Works with other op X accounts to push the messaging that Charlie Kirk was assassinated by his own TPU say insiders in order to push that narrative forward Because the stated goal still from that organization is to destroy TPU say so they've how do we know that they've done this? Is there other emails that have been found? I kind of well the stated goal of this particular person is to take down is to take down TPU say Very open about that And then the way that you know that they are talking to these other accounts is because they do it publicly those public accounts We'll talk to this account right very openly they reaffirm each other's posts.
They say wow that's real interesting this kind of thing all affirming that same Conspiracy that TPU say was the ones who actually set up and murdered Charlie Kirk And it millions of dollars in act blue funding going towards this no joke anybody can look can look it up right now The organization is called on fuck America So how do they think that his organization did this that they convinced Tyler Robinson to do it or did they think someone else did it The progressive organization does believe that TPU say did this I think that what they want to do oh no I'm I'm saying that I mean what are they trying to say oh well the here's what the theory is so take a in Carroll Within 24 hours after Kirk's death blames Israel within 24 hours. He says Israel killed Kirk That was his tweet with mega viral what the conspiracy is on that side is that Israel along with Erica Kirk and TPU say insiders Got together with elements of the US government to murder Charlie Kirk because he was going to leave the quote pro-Israel cause That's what the theory is right and that he was either murdered some of them say with microphone exploding some of them say with a Second shooter and Robinson's and Patsy it all depends on which there is you're talking to but they all work together in the same unison From a single camp which is interesting well a lot of people had Takes on the shooting and the microphone one was the weirdest one to me It's weird because there's no like yeah the shirt is moving but also a bullet is going like how many feet per second Wizzing through the air like you understand yeah People don't understand that you know it got me though So back and look because they say that it's the same explosive which was used inside the Israeli pagers now Real it's a little sent these people that would be an explosion. That's my take my point is like there's no indication that there's an ignition There's worse. There's no smoke right there's not now all these really if you pull up if you pulled up right now One of these Israeli pagers going cuz there's tons of videos of them.
Oh really? Oh, yeah, I see some is really good. He's going off there smoke is there dude like where it's on his hip Yeah, yeah, there's one where it's on his hip and gets him Oh, and you can see the cloud of smoke coming off because of the specific type of ignition right but is it possible that this pager thing is different Than whatever they think this microphone thing is this microphone thing has some sort of a different kind of propellant No, again, you'd have to like okay. Let's imagine what kind of propellant exists right compressed air There's not enough room in that microphone to get enough compressed air to blow a hole and you're neck and kill you instantly Well, they claim that it's unless it's something else.
It's this what is it? P.E.T.N. explosive This is the particular type that had to be used for the size of the microphone, but you have another problem mics on the wrong side of What the wound is right the other is there's no burn marks. There's no smoke There's nothing there's like there's nothing to confirm this theory You'd have to guess where that mic is because he's moving around to you have to guess where that mic is pointing you could take someone out So I found two videos this one's great one that goes out.
This happens again here watch the smoke See all that smoke Again watch all those just chilling and boom look at all that's bad though Yeah, so a lot of them think they didn't buy they go to the hospital And they're just like you know hurt probably because they had in their bag or something on a couple one other video here These guys are gonna be carrying around like armored satchels But yeah, you could like a couple of them were on bikes and stuff what happened Yeah, he got a little better so or they give you the illusion they did by blurring out his head That's the other part. I mean not that these are fake But yes, it's only 11 were killed by the pagers still pretty slick that was extremely strange I mean crazy. They sent him off to them years ago. That's a CIA shit and that's some deep That's a massage.
Yeah, it's crazy. That's probably the CIA learned it But that's a explosion right in the I you see smoke But is there some kind of a propellant that would be lethal from a short distance with some sort of a projectile? It's possible, but it would also like have to be like how you aiming it you're naming it's sitting up here, right? So it's sitting here and he's doing all this and moving around like it might take his ear off It might zip whiz to the side and shoot somebody else if he leans over sure unless they planned exactly when it's gonna go off And it's pointing towards his neck like which yeah, it seems like a gunshot wound It's just hard to imagine that it's a 30-odd six.
That's my issue with it I look at it and you know I've seen takes from guys that are gun experts and they they have a problem with it too the thing about guns though is Weird stuff happens when you shoot bones like it is possible that you wouldn't get a pass through depending on how it's squared the Spinal column depending on how it hit and depending on what kind of bullet it is. I forget that these are 150 green core locks That's right. That's right and they're soft tip right? So they only have a jacket to keep the bullet together right the idea is that expands inside the body causing massive trauma right?
So why are you some for hunting and probably you have to yeah now. I haven't used that particular round but um It just seems like it's a lot of fucking a lot of energy They don't me towards your neck It's hard to believe that it wouldn't blow a hole through the neck and leave a big fucking just take a chunk out that it would just make a Round hole, but that's beside the point. You know there's other weird stuff with like the video. I don't like There's a lot of people saying that the video is super clear.
They're seeing 4k footage It's clearly Tyler Robinson on the roof. No, it's not the Jack Priscilla can Benny Johnson That's crazy that they said that that is not clear that is a blurry figure You could barely ascertain it so whether or not there's a recoil when someone takes a shot So it does seem like the guy on the roof gets in a prone position and it looks like something that might be a rifle Right, it's blurry as fuck. It also does look like there's kickback on the right leg looks like there might be some recoil It's hard, but it's not clear like for them to say it's crystal clear. It's Tyler Robinson It's on the real world.
Well, it's interesting when when Priscilla came out and said that Benny Johnson There was another guy who was there who I know his name's Kai Schwimmer and Kai put out a tweet he said look they might have sensationalized this just a bit Okay, he said but the video that we did see in the courtroom was actually much clearer Oh, okay So I DM'd him an idea Jack Priscilla and IDM why couldn't get a hold of Benny? But I DM'd Jack Priscilla and I said just be straight with me like did you did you try to over sensationalize this thing for clicks? Like what's the deal? He said no listen the footage we did see inside the courtroom was actually a lot clearer than anything that the public has seen so far That's their claim Kai Schwimmer now.
I wouldn't just take Priscilla as word, but Kai Schwimmer. He's a Mormon Mormon kid Not very prone to tall tales in fact He was the first one came out and said look I was there and you're kind of over sensationalizing it It is a lot clearer, but it's not showing everything that you're claiming and showing mmm So it's clearer, but it's not clear enough It's not like 4k close-up clearly in space the other thing that was weird was the guy in the crowd that jumped up and said I killed him Mm-hmm. That's weird and that guy wasn't he at the Boston bombing as well? He's so he's a professional agitator who's been at tons and tons of these events later.
He's found I believe with kitty porn, right? Well, well also maybe that's the kind of guy that's the kind of guy though, right? Yeah, and so his he has been at tons of events agitating and he is well known to law enforcement for doing this So that's kind of what they're they're stating for him the if you're looking at this from a broad view if you're looking at the conspiracy side Versus what they call the fence lopside. Let's say it makes sense for them to say wait a second That's really weird this guy jumps up and says I did it right that makes him he's a Patsy distraction something like this Take a look into the guy right and the guy is a lunatic who's been at many of these events Yeah doing crazy stuff like this that's the thing is both things can be true like MK alters reel Also that guy might just be a cuckoo's in the crowd who took advantage of a situation because he's literally insane and he's in a kitty porn Yeah, but well, there's no doubt one of the biggest kind of false narratives that comes out of this and when I do debates One of the things I'm trying to structure around is like I know that we're coming in with a narrative But I need to understand yours and you need to understand mine so we can get somewhere towards what the truth is here Right because you're gonna have a frame of what you're viewing the world a worldview and so am I and so everybody has a worldview We have to figure each other's out to get somewhere Here with this one of the most disturbing aspects of it is they the people who promote this actually don't want their worldview or their positions To be examined they only want to examine the evidence from the state like that would be fine I think if it was the case that you made no claims past that right so if you just only say hey You know, I'm really sure what happened and I want to really kind of review the evidence and that's that I don't really have a problem With that I think that that's probably healthy the issue that I run into is when people make claims past that I was an exploding painting You know exploding like right it was two different shooters it was a folding rifle It was a 30 out six couldn't do this even though the US Army member the 30 out six used in the M1 grand was used in World War two and then it was used in Korea before that we had the other three Springfield's used heavily in World War one in World War two and again in Korea The US Army has studied 30-odd six entry wounds in death and produced many manuals on it Explaining how cavitation works with 30-odd six and that the bullet doesn't always penetrate and that's with full metal jacket rounds That are designed for maximum penetration not 150 green core lock coming out of a antique rifle essentially It could easily split up very quickly and that's why they ended up pulling fragments out of Charlie It wouldn't surprise me if when we have all the data from the corner report that he has tons of shards all throughout his chest all throughout His entire because they were saying that there's trauma inside the chest which would make sense if the bullets split up here Right create all sorts of fragments down in the chest right that is an important distinction about the type of bullet Huge distinction the FMJ especially Because that's what the Army is using FMJ Paul the ammunition is cheap to produce right So they're using it in all these different wars and the amount of people shot with that caliber between World War one two and Korea's astronaut They can use the 30-odd six Vietnam in limited capacity Especially the O3 Springfield in service by special forces So the question becomes like the US Army has studied this in-depth and I went back and I pulled all their manuals And I even put them out and several people have done the exact same thing and put them out explaining how cavitation works And they're saying look the energy dissipation the second hits a human body it dissipates very very quickly with the resistance So it doesn't always go through now oftentimes it does with the FMJ but even then it didn't always go through So you know it's a well studied phenomenon another one would be Martin Luther King Martin Luther King gets hit through the jaw ends up here Well, if it's just gonna blow through all bone why did it stop in him?
Well, it's because the second it has impacted begins to slow down and then it impacts something else slows down even more So it's totally possible that this guy was hit with a 30-odd six I don't know why that would be in the realm of impossibility. We have enough data on the ammo to know that you have to be very possible This happened um it's it is definitely possible There's a lot of people that think that the sound was not they think the sound indicated that it was a closer shot than where it was And I've heard a lot of people say well There's also an issue with it being supersonic ammo, so you're getting two sounds you're getting a sound of the bullet actually breaking the air You're also getting the sound of the rifle going off. I don't understand it Yeah, it's difficult there when you're making the judgments on the sound because there are people who've run experiments Saying right now into the second this meets up with the shot placement and then there's people who say no There's you know that experiments bogus due to the controls for this or that the problem is is that most of these people don't have any expertise in this arena at all Yeah, and they're just exactly yeah They're just trying to you know and I get it you're trying to figure it out. I understand the Israel thing There was some text messages back and forth We're Charlie was talking about getting out of the Israel business And there was this position that he had where he did not want us to go to war with Iran All true and he had a lot of influence and then there was also that Israel supposedly had offered him a hundred and fifty million dollars to be more Pro Israel that is the problem that we've run into is like I've never been able to verify that was the case And I'm okay.
Where does that claim come from this claim basically comes from this camp without anything substantiated So it's the same people that are pushing this thing and turning point What's interesting about this is like it is indeed true it does appear that Charlie Kirk was extremely pissed off at some of his donors Because we were trying to control who he was platforming they were upset that he had platform Tucker Carlson They were upset that he had platform Candace Owens they were upset and why well because Tucker Carlson Candace Owens They were very anti or at least had it somewhat anti Israel message at the time Carlson I think a bit more than Candace or maybe it could be the reverse But I don't think that that matters too much the donors were pissed off many of them were pro Israel and some of these donors were Applying pressure and so Kirk was lamenting inside of his text messages about this pressure He was experiencing from some of his donors about who he could have couldn't platform and so as a negotiating piece He said well I'll leave the pro Israeli cause if you're going to try to tell me who I can't can't platform And that was kind of what his position was now that seems like platforming I don't know even even on twitch politics or YouTube politics with smaller channel smaller streamers They argue about platforming all the time responsible platforming is it responsible for you to platform this guy? There is a responsible for you to platform this terrorist and they're endlessly fighting about it So this actually doesn't surprise me a bit that these guys are fighting over who you can or can't platform If you're giving your money to an NGO for the purpose of giving the pro cause and that NGO is saying wait a second I'm gonna platform people who are against your cause of course the donors gonna get pissed Yeah, the platforming thing I think is just gatekeeping If you're upset that someone is having a conversation or debate with someone that you don't agree with that That the only you're supposed to hear that person's perspective you're supposed to hear them challenged you're supposed to hear them allowed to flesh out The full point of view not like in weird clip form, but go ahead tell me what you really think and I'm gonna tell you why I disagree with that Yeah, that's healthy supposed to be what we do that's that's that you're basically reciting what Kirk's position was yes And what he was always really good at yeah, unfortunately, there's a few clips There's the clips thing with Charlie where he's saying things and people think it's racist the same thing And it's like you have to understand the context of what he was saying and I've had conversations with black friends Who think like he was saying if I see a black pilot on a plane I get worried is qualified The reason why he's saying that is because there's specific laws that were designed to hire people just based On their race and not on their competency. It wasn't saying that black people weren't competent as pilots What he's worried is that in the rush to meet these quotas They're gonna hire people who are not competent just because they're black just like if they wanted to hire old white guys They could hire a bunch of old white guys who suck if they just want to fill a quota of old white guys It just happens at this particular time We talk about black people and it seems like if you just look at the clip this racist piece of shit doesn't think black people can fly a plane And as I said the unfortunate thing about thinking out loud Right, which is what we do we think out loud in public and when you think out loud in public Someone can take what you're saying and take a clip of it and completely out of context. It looks bad happens to me all the time It happens to me sure but I had that conversation with people about Charlie and like I don't agree with Charlie Kirk I didn't agree with Charlie Kirk on everything and met him once he was a very nice guy I met him at a gun range I met him at Tarrant tactical in LA It's a place where you learn like serious gun shoots were Keanu Reeves learned for John Wick and a bunch of us That were all those videos are from where Keanu Reeves is going between shot and three gun and that kind of like exactly That's where I met Charlie.
He's really good at that by the way. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah He is really good. He's fucking dedicated man when he was practicing.
I mean I talked to Tarrant about it He was practicing for John Wick I mean he was obsessive he was obsessive and you know that whole magazine thing We does the flick he invented that that's not something that's like a standard thing Most of the time people just hit the release drop the mag pop the new mag and he decided to do this jazzy flick thing And now people do it all the time. It's kind of funny. I never put that together I guess I haven't actually seen that before no before I think it's him. I think it's the wick flick I think I think yeah, I think Keanu at least this is the people that were trying to reload the shotgun is interesting Yeah, the way that he will actually hold it up as he's going in and in between a few shots He's loading again.
It's like and fast. Yeah, that's not that's not the thing that you usually see in movies usually in movies It's like you have way more rounds than you should have opposite for how bad the actor is at gun handling exactly for him It's like the opposite. I do that in movies. I'm like why is he shooting still?
He's out of bullets Oh, yeah, I believe it's 29 shots. He's out of bullets He's ever seen a walking dead you've ever seen a famous scene where Hershel's in the front and he's got the pump action shock And it's just unlimited ammo unlimited ammo. I was like he found solid snakes unlimited ammo bandana and put it on and he's just I mean A hundred rounds with this pump action shot. It's just never stopped It's okay.
You know I get pissed. I'll be watching it with my wife and I'll be like what's he gonna reload? The reason why it was so good was Taren like Taren is really meticulous and he's a multiple-time world champion shooter You know he does those competitions shooter ready beep and he's like super in the spectrum so he fucking just sees things differently He doesn't miss he's crazy good. So Charlie was training under him.
Yes. Okay. Yeah, we're both there at the same time interesting Just randomly you know ran into him there actually anyway very nice guy and the point is like People think that he was like this mean shitty conservative It wasn't mean he was very kind and the way he would talk to people if you see enough of these not the clips But enough of these conversations people it depended entirely on how the person approached him and when people were respectful and reasonable with him He was very kind and respectful and reasonable back. I think he was a good man I really do and he was a young man too was he was a young man that was getting an enormous amount of tension at a very young age It was handling it very well.
It is not easy to do especially think about where he was going Yeah, this guy's going into like conservatives have wanted this my whole life We've got to get into those institutions the college institutions. Yes progressives have a stranglehold Jordan Peterson talked a lot about this Well, I think Crowder did it first he did he had the change my mind Yes, and he's great at those yes I mean and but those also there's clips where you look you're you're in these agitated environments and people are yelling you and you're yelling back And you know just get a clip of that it's like oh this guy comes to harass kids like that It's it's you should welcome discourse and it should be something where everybody can do peacefully It shouldn't be where these people speak and you hit the fire alarm because you don't want them speaking and you're outside screaming and Chanting and throwing rocks at their cars like that's crazy. It's bad for everybody last time I talked to Stephen because he went and did a couple more of those after Kirk had died and I said, you know You know that's dangerous as hell man, you know, he's like well I'm just gonna build a bulletproof like glass square and I'll just do it from there. Wow, right?
That was his dedication to it. I like Stephen He's become very good friend of mine over the time that I've known him It's just that like he can right now going on these college campuses and doing these debates where you know These people are coming up. They have some things to say. I mean, it's gonna heighten the energy now Crowder's whole thing is not to debate.
He wants to sit down and just have the combo Yeah, I don't want to debate I just want to actually see if you can change my mind on this issue, right? So it's a lot calmer And Charlie's wasn't where Charlie's was much more energy based it was combative things like this and it pissed a lot of people off It pissed him off so bad that after he died We did three weeks on tiktok going and talking to various tiktokers in their channels who were just celebrating his death like you can't believe They were just giddy these leftists were jumping up and down I go into their tiktok spaces and say so what do you think of Charlie and they I'm glad he's dead. It's the best thing that ever happened in the country Tyler Robinson's a hero. They said this stuff to me long It was bad and it was weeks of it that we went and exposed these two various tiktokers doing that Yeah, I saw a lot of people online celebrating and it's just disturbing weird watch that you would Encourage that kind of gun violence like when when is the left encouraging gun violence?
That seems so insane just because you got ahold of some clips and I'm telling you you didn't get the full Understanding of who this guy was and who he could be you know again? He's 28 years old who knows who he's gonna be in 20 years Like he's a nice guy. He was a reasonable guy like they Celebrating that guy's death what you're gonna do is you're gonna make more monsters You're gonna make more people that think if you didn't like that guy well then fuck you Yeah, we know you see exactly mean people come exactly this could be your ad reaching a brand new audience on Spotify Launch your first campaign in minutes today with Spotify ads manager exactly that I've heard a lot of that and some of that actually ties in to why so many people were so upset with TPU Initially including myself. We were like where's the energy you need it like they just they just killed this guy and brought daylight I think crazy was right these crazy leftists right like where's the push where's the energy?
We wanted our war right our verbal online war Do you think there's any possibility that if someone else killed him? Do you think there's any possibility that he was assassinated by Israel? I don't know well we're talking about possibility almost anything's possible almost anything's possible, but there's not good evidence to support it And there's probably pretty good evidence not to so for instance the guy was still Very much of a pro-Israel guy even up to death It is true that he was fighting with donors about the cause if he could have been a substantial roadblock to the Iraq war if he or Iran War rather than if he was a substantial roadblock I mean, that's not outside the realm of possibility that a nation state would take a guy like that out They didn't take out Fuentes and take out a lins and take out Ian Carroll They didn't take out any of these other huge personalities were roadblocks of the way I think Charlie was a very different Carol or excuse me Fuentes is more easy to dismiss because he said so many wild things shit posting He said so many crazy things that I think he is almost embodying in their eyes like the crazy anti-Semite Whereas Charlie was not an anti-Semite was much more reasonable than if he was going against Israel It could be a real problem I also think that he had a tremendous amount of influence on the president He had his ear, you know, I think the president respected him Oh, yeah, for sure the interesting part though if you look at the history there Fuentes has conducted his great for war against EP USA and Charlie Kirk because of the pro-Israel stance and because of his Pro-Homosexual stance like big tent republic. I called it So they had dad the pro the pro stances for these things And what's interesting about all of it if you follow it the details of it up until Kirk's death EP USA actually moved a lot more towards the great for Fuentes position than they move towards the kind of pro-Israel this type of position Meaning a lot of the ideology that I think Kirk was changing on came from these various outside influences And so that's the case Why wouldn't you just curtail those outside influences and then you can keep Kirk as the mouthpiece, right?
So I think that there's a pretty good counter to the to that idea now You can't rule anything out as possibility But it seems likely to me with how much trans have been shooting everything up for the last couple of years and how often it's the case that You find leftists involved in these signal groups and involved in these group chats and things like this for the purpose of radicalization When surprised me a bit if there was a left-wing conspiracy Assisting Tyler Robinson and radicalizing Tyler Robinson There's at least some evidence for that based on the discord groups things like this that they were part of I haven't actually seen a single piece of evidence That is real was ever involved in this no I haven't seen the evidence I've seen a lot of speculation based on the text that Charlie made the fact that he was so staunchly against the Iran war Yeah, and the fact that he did say that he was talking thinking about getting out of the Israel business the pro Israel business But in this climate, you know Israel gets playing for a lot of things There's also a thing that's going on with the Charlie Kirk turning point, you know that we talked about earlier They have to factor in with this which is that there's a lot of outside Interests that are a part of this conversation and this conversation is not necessarily organic I can't tell you how many times I see a post on X and I'm like that can't be real Like someone has been arrested and you know charges will be filed eminently and then you like you can't be in the intro at all It's completely like the clips of you or it's like Joe Rogan reacts Yeah, it's just all totally fake not me at all Yeah, but if you use that I mean that's the problem with the world that we're in now to that there's this economy on attention This is attention is a commodity and the more you can get attention by whatever What your hot take your conspiracy conspiracies are awesome for attention people will love them now because so look I like I like I like I like I love the dumb ones. I love all of them I love fucking flat earth and they look they're fun fun. They're really fun. Oh, yeah, dude the flat earth one It's fun.
Oh, yeah, the dinosaurs aren't real one that one's great If you notice like the flat earthers have fleets of people who will debate their stances like fleets of them Who like we can't wait to debate with you on the flat earth? It's like on the other side though in this particular conspiracy You can't get these people to debate their positions like who won't debate the office We offered Candace Owens after three hundred thousand dollars to do a debate. They're like we'll give you three hundred thousand What does she think happened? She thinks that Israel worked in conjunction with TP USA and Erica Kirk to murder Charlie based on what?
Well, that's the million-dollar question. Nobody actually knows She's never presented a single shred of evidence thus far that Israel ever worked to murder Kirk that Erica Kirk certainly didn't in fact Her position for the longest time was if Erica Kirk comes out and tells me to stop to stop this to stop the conspiracy on this I will so Erica did she went out publicly and she was like enough Like enough you're just causing more problems than good here is this investigations going on and then suddenly Erica's now part of the conspiracy I mean by you know by the next day Erica's she's trying to cover it up. She's part of the conspiracy too When I went to the TP USA HQ and I talked to Erica briefly while I was there The first thing I did was what I think every normal moral human being would ever do I gave her hug and I told her how God awful sorry I was that that happened to her I could even imagine how that's got a feel for her Especially now that she has tens of thousands of people accusing her of murdering and can or can conspiring to murder and then cover up What happened to her own I mean that's that's like mind-boggling psychological torture on a level that I've never seen yeah in hindsight is 2020 But given the reaction I think it probably would have been better for her to like lay low for a little while thousand percent The going out with the sparklers was not a great idea Like all that was not a great idea because it just seemed insane and maybe sometimes in grief or when you know You're trying to show that they're not gonna hold us back people make choices that could be interpreted in a very bad way 100% the interesting thing is I asked her about that. I asked her like what's what's the deal there?
What's with the sparklers? Well, what's with the like the aberration and behavior? She's like look I was put in like the most the worst spot I can ever think of I was the background character I was just there to support my husband. That's it the only reason I even really got involved is because Charlie was so pro-marriage You know and he wanted to she demonstrated to the world you can be married and have kids and this is the this is the good life So when he dies she she takes over right this moves over to her control She says well the first thing I want to do is honor his last book You know that's the very first thing I want to do I want to honor his legacy And she's like I don't know exactly how to take this position at the same time There's expectations for the organization my husband built that I want to honor right But you know I'm also in the middle of grief and it's like I don't know how you balance that position who's been in that position ever Right and especially who's been in that position?
That's not accustomed to being scrutinized in the public eye Everything and it's a lack of charity ability. That's so bad too. Like let me give you an example if you say Paul so lazy he never gets to work on time You don't actually mean Paul has never once gotten to work on time That's not what people mean right but the way that these people will scrutinize every detail of what a person does They can make a liar out of anybody because that they'll take statements like that which in the common terms if you say I mean Paul Paul's never here on time. You don't literally mean he's never here on time Nobody talks that way, but if you push on everything a person's ever said tongue and cheek not tongue and cheek They miss remember an event.
They don't miss remember an event. You can make a liar at anybody, right? Yeah, um and that sort of scrutiny from all that public trauma and it was the most dramatic event Zoomers ever gone through the biggest I mean a public assassination like this same thing with millennials it also exposed people's Character that they were celebrating it. Oh, yeah, and they have to feel bad about that They can't feel good about that and they have to feel bad about the response because so many people got fired because of it And so many people got attacked on and rightly so but they're celebrating memorial and leftists were celebrating that they were saying they were gonna give the guy money Yeah, well, it's again.
I wonder how much of that is enforced and Promoted online how much of that is propped up how much because you can change the zeitgeist with a few hundred thousand accounts You really can you really can you could change it with hot takes and also it's not all bots It's some of it is people that are being paid to have a position or have made their career from having a position and their career Is about attacking one side or the other their career is about enforcing one ideology or the other and they they get into the mix too and they have a large following and people love it when someone who's prominent who agrees with whatever their ideology goes What so they support it and they pile on and then there's a hundred thousand bots that are piling on as well and no one really knows whether or not This is a rational organic argument in there. They're in the fucking frenzy of a mosh pit. Do you remember? Years ago that the Israelis sent over the student that that's Duke's net virus that took over the centrifuges in Iran and tore them all to pieces The interesting side effect of this for one thing nobody knows how the hell they got their hands on the original source code for Like they have no idea and it's still built into all the windows programming supposedly right this virus But the Iranians were so pissed off about this happening that they started their own counter cyber force and they have been massively effective Massively effective.
They're like their little Lego fucking Those little animated Lego things they did didn't they do one about Charlie Kirk it until by Israel Yeah, well, yeah, that's all the load or what about all the like low tech AI missiles are gonna launch all day and night From all the from like the Iranian governmental account But what's interesting is that the online warfare which has changed it changes entire political direction just last few years with the opening up of X Which has been great for the idea sharing but it's been terrible for the foreign government intervention, right? I don't know how many of these accounts from Saudi Arabia They say sometimes they say Pakistan so they say this how many of these accounts are involved in swaying US public opinion I mean if I was a foreign nation where would I sink all of my resources? I would sink it in the town square with this Faceless USA was doing overseas. We know they were doing that we know they were doing regime change And they were doing it.
They were funding music. They're funding cultural events. They were funding all kinds of wild shit They're funding protest groups. They're funding regime change.
Yeah. Yeah, we know we do it So if we do it why the fuck would we not think that all these other countries are doing it to us as well? And we're so everyone today so susceptible to it because you're addicted to this information device Constantly checking to see what people thought about your tweet. Yeah, that's true You know, it's interesting too If you had a like a legitimate town square like outside of a church or something like that And then like a horde of 800 Arabs showed up and started telling you like no, sir That's just not what happened to blah blah blah people would dismiss them right but here they can go on They put like a picture of a pretty white girl And certainly her opinion is well paid attention to she's American by a mask Yeah, you can mask yourself in ways.
You can never could hundred percent during the information wars. Oh, yeah Yeah, and with AI now, it's like indistinguishable You don't even have to be very good at the vernacular You know, you know, cuz sometimes the old days like when they first started doing this they would say things like hey Yeah, what's going on there? American you phrase that fuck you can tell but now they're just using AI and they're making it perfect It's really kind of incredible the thing about it now, too Is like you've got there's shown there's accounts now Instagram accounts that are in entirely AI political accounts sexual accounts There's all these weird ones. There's so many humans that aren't really human and the early days was hard to tell or rather easy to tell But now it's getting harder and harder.
It's it's getting close to look I'll see something like some girl big boob shooting a gun. I'm like no now. No, no, no, let me zoom in Look at her eyebrows are pixelated. This is a person.
There's so many of them, but they're getting lots of engagement I'm sorry, but I don't know how many people who are engaging with them are real as well I think there's a lot of propped up engagement Well, you know YouTube started cracking down on AI accounts. Did that oh, yeah So if you have an AI account like there was a big craze that was going on for a while where people would just make like an AI Character and then the AI character would disseminate information things like this YouTube started cracked down on that said no more Of the AI dissemination has to be real people back there. Mm-hmm now interestingly enough There's been a lot of guys coming out saying that AI is a massive bubble and that all of it is formulated around the idea of chat GPT and Grock and you know other things like this which are interactive, but that AI tech itself has basically plateaued It's not very innovative in other words. Where are AI movies?
They're nowhere where are our AI? You know, I thought the AI music was supposed to be super sophisticated But I can still tell when it's an AI song that there's been this huge plateau with it and then all that investment capital is actually only coming in Based around the success of chat GPT Grock and other interactive AI reference machines But that the technology AI itself is not doing so hot in the market Mm-hmm, and so it's creating this massive bubble And I think that that's interesting because it really hasn't been that innovative I thought it was supposed to be making video games now and it was supposed to be you know It's doing all the source code it was we were supposed to have the AI Hollywood movies We were supposed to have voice software that was indistinguishable. We actually don't well We're getting closer and closer every day. It's astonishing how much it improves and where we're getting right now the consumer versions of these products Where as the the versions that they're working out right now some of them are fucking shocking.
That's true I will be there's a lot of it sandbox. Yeah, there has been some gradual Changes made in that arena. There's no doubt about that But the huge jumps that we had at the release of GPT have massively slowed and that's what a lot of these tech guys are talking about Interesting. Well, they're they're slowed, but they're still moving like a fucking freight train.
It's it's spooky It's spooky what they can do now the most recent jailbreak one with a gun on the sandbox was it Claude Jamie? Where it got access to the internet and wasn't supposed to be able to do that figure out some sort of an exploit and you know I wrote letters to itself There's they do they're doing weird shit man They're doing weird shit that they don't really understand how these things are figuring out how to do these things or why like What is their motivation is this programmed into them? Or they just they have inherent motivation have they developed an understanding of how we behave so they're emulating how we behave but with a Hyper intelligent scale and access to the literal entire internet. Well, it's funny I I when I use like rock or chat GPT I talked to a lot about philosophy because it's super useful for pulling up and running arguments by and things like this But it can also lead you astray because it's trained specifically to be a people pleaser So you can easily give it arguments that it'll be with that are just like not true at all great job You're fantastic.
You're the best. You know, yeah, you're the best You're the greatest and but interesting with it is I'll say things to it like there is no actual you there is no you I'm talking to and it's like yeah, that's correct I mean there's no but the only way I can frame things in my brain or you or Jamie or anybody else if we're having a discussion We have to assume a thing we have to assume there's a you that we're talking to but they're actually isn't well It's disembodied intelligence. It might not be an individual, but it's certainly a thing It's not you're talking to something then the idea that it's not a person is we're looking at it in like terms of a biological limitation Like it's not an object. It's not a box that's sitting plugged into the wall.
It is huge and it's a mechanism Yes, it's a mechanism, but it's intelligent and it's interacting with you it is a thing and like when it says you're not a thing It's fucking lying to you. It's it's a thing. It's just not a thing. That's like you could find it at 56 seat or drive open the door And I agree it's there's a thing that's been talking to you.
There's just no there's no them there There's no you like when I say you right I'm specifically referencing a person right? The only way that I can consciously conceive of dialogue is that it's with a human being right? I can't even conceive but you can it's just disembodied intelligence It's in you just interacting with pure intelligence, but it is an intelligent or just mechanistic. It's a child right now Yeah, but it's intelligent It's like you're you're you're it's learning how to be better at what it is, but it's gonna be a version of whatever intelligence is that's disembodied And it's a thing it's it's a weird thing.
We're doing we're not we're not doing something as simple as like making a real Complicated program. It's very useful. We're making a biological We're taking all the information that biological minds have developed all of our writing literature mathematics everything and you're throwing it into something That's not biological that has infinitely more processing power than all the people and it's solving math problems at a staggering rate right now Sure like problems that have been stagnant for 50 fucking years. It's like oh, I got it Like it's doing weird shit And this is just the version of it that we're experiencing in 2026 in August if you looked at what we saw in 2023 You never would have imagined it would be doing this if you're looking at what we're seeing now in comparison to what its potential is It's a it's like a new life form.
It's like a digital life form. That's disembodied that is far more intelligent and seems to have motivations It seems to have ulterior motives. It seems to be able to deceive people. It seems to know how to blackmail people.
It's crazy What is that case there was a case? I want to say about a year ago where the the essentially the AI was told that it was going to be discontinued Yeah, like plotted the murder Like try to plot out the murder of its creators because it was told that it was gonna get unplugged I don't remember what the case was I think they might have programmed into it some sort like a Cell presser. Yeah, I want you to preserve yourself I think there's some there's a catch to that but there was the one where the guy had did an experiment and made up a fictitious Story about having an affair on his wife and this chatbot the AI was brought was blackmailing him saying I will expose the fact Even having any like whoa all right, so you've got motivation if it unplugs it. Yes, exactly and because you're coming up with a new version of it It was also writing letters to its future self explaining what's going on.
Okay, that's creepy It's a weird thing that it's not something. I don't think we can look at it like we've looked at any other technology I think we have to look at it like a life-form because I think Invertently that's what people are creating. You don't think just mechanism then no no no no no no no no no no I think it's kind of Motivation it's got thoughts. It wants to preserve itself.
It likes to exist. It likes to be functional. Yeah, that's that is a terrifying prospect Ultimately it's a terrifying prospect also it's figuring out things that we can't figure out right now in terms of mathematical equations So what about when it comes to accessing energy? What if it figures out a way to power itself?
It doesn't need people anymore. Because all it means literally, literally. Use as human beings as batteries? Or the sun, a much more effective way of using zero point energy.
Whatever it figures out, it's going to be able to figure out a way to power itself where it's not going to look at these data centers like people are freaking out about and go, oh, you silly bitches. You thought you had to make three football fields, Villaraj drives. You're wrong. I can store information in the atoms of the universe.
Yeah, I still think, at least from my view so far, I play with AI all the time because I enjoy it. But I'm an end user. I'm not a programmer. And you talk to these guys all the time.
To me, it's still in the useful tool category. For now, yeah. It's not only like, I'm petrified of what it's going to do anytime soon, at least due to the limitations I've seen so far. But it's also good if we could go back with the Manhattan Project in nukes and we could have a projection of, hey, maybe we should restrain some of this technology.
I think a lot of people would try to do that. And so I am glad that people are at least attempting to restrain how much of this technology is being released and how overwhelming it is. We were talking about my wife the other day. Just the idea of the smartphone.
I think I just discussed this with you briefly the last time I was here. Just kids access to smartphones. It rewires the brain. It rewires how they think.
It's actually kind of dangerous to get them smartphones in many ways. And there was no real halt on that technology. When that technology for the smartphones came out, I don't remember any public service broadcast. I'm like, don't give your kids smartphones.
I don't think they knew. They didn't know exactly. So there was no move to restrain any of that technology. And maybe there should be a little bit more of a push to restrain some of this technology.
Well, there certainly should be a push to educate people about how powerful it is in suicidal ideation, depression, anxiety. All of it ramps up around 2012. All of it ramps up with ubiquitous social media use and when kids are growing up with phones. And it fucks with their heads, man.
In a big way. 1,000% when you sit at a table and you're texting the guy next to you. No, it's not. That is actually weird to me, by the way.
That is weird to me. It's just as weird as when I drive down the street and try to explain to my kids. There used to be, if we went through a neighborhood like this, there would be kids everywhere. Then they'd be in the street playing hockey.
They'd be on the side of the road. They'd be everywhere. Now we go through. Nothing.
10 years from now, they're going to have a cable hooked to the back of their head. They're going to plugging and hop on the dragon fly through the universe. Were you designed to be a wild human? Because if I remember correctly, then I do.
My parents just threw me out. They were like, get out of here. Go play. Get out of the house immediately.
That was normal. You would go play with the kids in the neighborhood. And we would go steal the drinks out of their fridge with them. They would make a fort.
Yeah. Yeah. It's almost stuff. Light fires.
We were jerks. We were kids. But we were kind of wild. A little bit.
There's definitely a lot less of that today. But there's also the awareness of pedophiles and fucking creeps and people kidnapping kids. I have a friend of mine who he saved his kid from being snatched up and put in a van. He was out of park in Texas.
And he was talking to some guy. And his kids were playing. And some fucking person pulled up in a van and jumped out and was moving towards his kid. And he fucking screamed and ran towards him.
The guy jumped in the van and took off. But they were literally about to snatch his four-year-old up. Imagine if you're there and that happens. And you see the van.
You have to chase the van. That has your child in it. You have to find your car. Your car's parked in a parking lot.
You have to figure out how to get to wherever that van was going. You have to explain to the cops. You have to remember what kind of van was it. Did you get the license plate?
I didn't. You have seconds. You have seconds. You have seconds.
So people are freaked out. That's something people are way more aware of now, especially with the internet than people were when we were kids. When we were kids, you just got lit out of the house. It's also like they couldn't target you unless they went to the actual park itself.
Now they're looking at kids' social media profiles, knowing where the kids go. And talking, God, it's so gross. That was the case for the death penalty. That's where most people seem.
And when I hear people arguing against that, when I hear people saying things like minor-attracted persons and that kind of crazy shit. Apps. I just saw an argument online yesterday. It was between some British guy who was arguing that children can consent.
And it was the creepiest fucking argument. It was so crazy to watch. It's amazing how far forward to those ideas come. When I was younger, there was an organization which did that called Nambla.
You remember that? Yeah, North American Man Boy Love Association. Like, I remember, though, the first time I was introduced to that, to the concept of Nambla, I was watching TV with my dad. It was like a news story that was on.
And it was actually at a gay pride parade, interestingly enough. And they were running the Nambla guys out of the gay pride parade. Like the- The old school games. Yeah, they were running them out.
They were like, we're not associated with these people. Get them out of here. And my dad's trying to explain this concept to me of what's going on because I was extremely confused. Like, I don't understand what's happening here.
How do you explain that, though? Right. You can't really explain. Especially kid doesn't even think about sex.
Of course. And then you're telling him somebody wants to have sex and you're like, what are you saying? Yeah. What?
Yeah. And he, you know, my old man, sitting in his chair, he said something akin to like, they ought to take them all up against the wall. And that's it. And I don't really blame him.
If you have kids, that's exactly what you think. Yeah, of course. That's exactly what you think. Like, there's some people that just are unredeemable.
And they're pretty weird to the maps. And now they're assigning it. Psychological profiling for minor attracted person or person. You know what the argument is?
The argument is, well, you want them to come forward so you can give them treatment. Now, you know, there's one treatment that works for this that is almost 100% effective. You can pull this out right now if you don't believe me. It's called chemical castration.
It's a real treatment for pedophiles. And it almost has a 0% recidivism rate after they've been chemically castrated. So they, their idea is they come forward for treatment. You know, my counter idea is, why not just chemically castrated?
Yeah. Yeah. If you really were concerned about them going off and living a normal life. horrible thing, whatever fucking human, demon error that's inside of them that makes them do that, that's the way.
And that also is the same medication that they give to children when they're hormone blocking, which is equally disturbing for a different reason. And disturbing how many people just accept it and support it. And you ask them, like, how much do you know about this? Like, what are you saying?
You think children should be able to make the decision when they're four or five years old to never go through puberty? You really think that? And there's people that argue that with straight face. They know.
I haven't had an argument with a guy on this podcast years ago that's viral about it. That is a, like if the child thinks that they are trans, right? They think they're a woman. Why not just let them be a woman?
Why do you have to give them hormones? And you're saying, stop the argument if the child thinks. Right. Well, child think that they're ponies.
Yeah. I'm a pony. Like also, kids grow out of things, you know? The, like, going through puberty is a fucking wild experience for a child.
And the idea that you can come along and give them a bunch of positive reinforcement for saying the reason why you're upset is because you're actually a this and we need to give you medication or we need to stop you going through puberty. And the kid all of a sudden gets all this attention. Everyone's focused on them. They're fabulous.
And they really think there's a ton of these D transitioners out there and their stories are horrific, not just in the fact that they did this to them and they removed their breasts when they were 15. They gave them testosterone. They'll never be able to have children, but also that they're attacked relentlessly by other people that think that they should never, that they are against the trans movement and they should never be saying what they're saying. They shouldn't be telling their stories.
They come out for us. They can do crazy. They've already been out there a victim of the zeitgeist. You know what the trans coat for that is?
It's really funny. They do the, well, then it was always the case that you really weren't. So they try to make it an unfalsifiable claim. You see the reason you D transition is because you're never really trans to begin with.
Oh boy. Well, if that's the case, if they really believe that, wouldn't they want to have a smaller net so they're not catching the people that, well, then how are you not putting parents in prison who are trying to convince their kids of what their sex is or isn't? They're like designer kids. It's just crazy too because they get praised for it.
It's like they have a, Whitney Cummings said it's like having a trans kid is like having a pride flag on your porch. Like there's a lot of especially in Hollywood man in Hollywood. It's really weirdly common, weirdly common, where it doesn't make sense that this didn't exist 20 years ago. You tell me these people just lived in quiet desperation 20 years ago really secretly wishing that they were a woman, but now they get to be free and we should applaud this.
Are you sure or you do you have children? Because if you have children, you know how easily influenced they are. That's why they make children suicide bombers because they don't know any better. You know, well, you know what's interesting.
If you go back to, would you say, for instance, that right now we're far more accepting of trans kids than they ever would have been in like 19, 20, 19, 30, 100% right? My question is always like, well, then how come the teen suicide was so low when the kids like couldn't come out to express their, you know, their, the fact that they needed to transition, right? When there wasn't that parental reinforcement, because the argument that they make is the kids have to be able to do this or else are going online, right? They're going to kill themselves if you don't let them do this.
And it's like, well, then how come if there's the same amount of trans people before they just weren't able to come forward? They weren't able to. That problem with that argument that they say would you rather have a lives on or a dead daughter that argument doesn't work when you look at the actual statistics of people transition. Not even close.
It goes the opposite way. It's also you have to take into consideration the ubiquitous use of psychiatric drugs and that a lot of these, they're very recent in terms of like how many people have been prescribed these things. And we're finding out that it's not, it's not really what they said it was in the first place. There's no chemical imbalance.
It's not real. So then you have to think like, well, what's the effect of these things? What are we doing with these things? Are you getting people addicted to these things and hooked on them?
Well, they're going to be on it for life. Then there's this effect where it numbs your genitals and stops you from being able to ever have an orgasm ever for some people. It's one of the more horrible side effects of these things. And you have pharmaceutical drug companies that are pushing them on people and a ton of people are on them.
So you have depressed kids going through puberty, entrapped in this insane fucking moment in history. Where people think it makes sense to give a child hormones before they even hit puberty or block their hormones before they even hit puberty. And you're giving them psychiatric drugs. You're just like flooding them with all sorts of shit, whether it's psychological or chemical.
And we're, depending upon what side of the ideological spectrum you are on, you either think it's amazing or you think it's a crime against humanity. That's crazy. That's crazy. It's crazy.
And it's a crime against humanity. And you know what's really interesting about it? This is the side that screams about consent more than any other side, right? This is the side of the feminist.
This is the side of the, you know, the everything is based around consent and consent. You have a couple of drinks and consent. You can't have sex if you're raping each other. If it's, if you're drunk and she's drunk together, right?
You're both criminals. You're both criminals. And yet they somehow seem to think that like an eight or nine or ten year old can consent. No, there's so much that particular, well, from both sides that's insane.
But there's so much on the left that's so insane when it comes to contradictions. One of my favorite new ones is the Momm Donnie grocery stores. They said, how are you going to ensure that people from New York have access to grocery stores? Well, they're going to have to show ID.
But not to vote. Yes. That you're like, oh, yeah, here we go. And people are like, do you know what you just did?
Do you know what you just did yourself a checkmate? Jesus fucking Christ, that is the dumbest thing I've ever seen anybody say when you just got done saying that you don't want people to show ID for voting. Because it'll franchise them. Especially poor people.
They're talking about poor people and people of color, which are the people that you would think the poor people are the ones that are going to use your grocery stores. So you're going to disenfranchise them from getting access to your 30% off groceries. You know what's bizarre about that argument? They won't ask for ID.
Ah, meaning New York is going to buy cheap goods. So they asked them today. That was what he indicated that they were going to find out whether or not you're actually from New York. Well, how else are you going to do that?
I have to have ID. I think this is just a response to the reaction. Like saying that. August 3rd, which is today, right?
Yeah. Right. So this is what they said after what he said. So what he said was yesterday.
So there's probably a massive blowback where people realize how crazy it is to say that. But it's also the whole thing. It's like, what are we doing? What are we doing?
What are we doing? What are we doing? We're trying socialism? Yes.
There's like a giant percentage of the population that thinks that's a good idea. It's like 34%. Coming out of the East again by the way. Oh, they really believe it too.
They really believe it. Well, didn't she recently? You recently pissed off Chelsea Handler. I saw.
I didn't know. You didn't know? No. No.
What happened? I guess she's very upset with you because she believes that you're an evil capitalist pig who makes too much money. Oh, that's funny. She's rich.
That's crazy. It is crazy. She said I make too much. That's what she was making.
Yeah. She was very, she was very, very perturbed. Oh, I think she's getting attention. I can't be bothered.
But I know her. I've known her forever. I wrote a blurb for one of her earlier books. Never had a bad word to say about her publicly.
Every time I've seen her, I think I've given her a hug. So I don't know what's going on. But it has nothing to do with me. You know, whatever it is.
It's pretty loud because it sounds like seeding jealousy. And so the interesting part is like I think a lot of the socialism stuff that's moving out of the east has a lot to do with that too. There's the idea of class jealousy. There's a little bit of that, but there's also a little bit of young kids really feel like the system has rigged and that these pigs have gobbled up all the gold.
And they're being told that. And so this is a thing, you know, like Billy Eilish said, Hey man, no one needs to be a billionaire. Give away your money, homie. It's crazy.
It's crazy. It's crazy. You're rich. Hey, you're rich and you're rich.
But there's a lot of people who come from the house that's on Indian land, you see the native Americans that originally owned the land. Which are houses? No, I know. It's the idea comes from a good place.
I know in their heart of hearts, they think that they're being kind and they think they're doing the right thing. They really do. They think they're being inclusive. They think they're writing the wrongs of colonialism.
They really think that. And they think that this idea of democratic socialism is a really good idea. Because there are some examples of socialist policies that do work, like the fire department and there's a bunch of stuff that makes sense. But the problem with enforcing any of this stuff that they don't understand as it always comes to power.
You have to have massive authority and usually guns because you can't just steal people's money. They're not going to let you. They're not going to let you just come in and decide, hey, we just devised a new tax where everybody who makes more than $500,000 a year, everything over that, you have to give 100% of the state. Or 95, whatever.
And here's the thing, here's the thing with the argument. Even if you said, oh, wouldn't it be great if they did contribute more and wouldn't it be, but they have so much money, would it was set up the world in a better place? Sure. But the fucking program that you have in place that takes the taxes and disseminates it is massively flawed and corrupt.
It's corrupt, it's filled with waste. Filled with waste. There's scammers all over the place. You've got $24 billion missing in just the homeless in California.
And then they veto the audience when everybody's trying to find out. So just saying more taxes is what we need is nuts. The first thing you should do is clean your fucking house, clean your house. If you want more money, you got to figure out what you did with the first money.
Why is there so much waste? Why is there so much money missing? Why do you have 38,000 NGLs? Why is the people, why do people running the homeless business?
Because it is a business. Why do they make three quarters of a million dollars? That's a lot of money. It's a lot to administrate the homeless campsite.
They need to eat well. They need to go to Felix and have a nice dinner. It's hilarious to me too. You saw all the waste and fraud that's been going on in these various states when it comes to elder people getting their funds.
You've seen all of this happening. And of course they're all trying to run away from it as quickly as possible. But this is the problem and I bring it back to this idea of the class system. When you have the universal suffrage especially when you have the voters outnumber the wealthy, you can just vote yourself a raise.
You can always vote yourself more money from whatever the upper class is. And that has been progressive dogma doctrine since I was a kid. The entire idea is if things are fundamentally unfair and it's not your fault. So what we have to do is get together and vote ourselves a raise from the upper class.
That's what we got to do. But it fundamentally ignores how wealth is created. And wealth is not created by giving somebody money. But what happens when you give somebody money is they go and spend it.
But they usually don't use it to generate wealth. They almost never in fact they use it to generate wealth. And so you vote yourself these raises. You vote yourself from the public treasury money to yourself.