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Happy titties! Happy titties! Happy titties! Happy titties!
Glorious cathy's! Happy titties! Kathy! Uh, I do have happy titties.
They're joyful right now if they could sing they would. Kathy, let us start the show and then the world of perverted podcastness would love to hear me! Wait, you can't roll your arse with here. Here it is!
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Come and join the Kinky Wells of Play! Woo! Hello and welcome to Happy Titty Perverted Podcast, the show where we explore the adventures of the Kinky lifestyle sex-send perversion. Recording bright and early this Halloween morning from a chilly 50 degree Los Angeles, I'm Kathy!
I am Count Boogie and it is just amazing to hear Kathy do a show immediately when she wakes up. I'm very groggy and gravely voiced. Last night you're like, hey, can we get this done at 8am? I'm assuming you got some agendas and things going on today.
And I'm like, well, I gotta walk from where I'm parked to get the storage. So I'm like, all right, I'll get there, but just give me a little time to set up. And so I kick it and kick it and kick it and then Kathy gets on the thing and she's like, ugh! I feel like a monster.
I had every time I did my notes, I'm ready to go. And one o'clock in the morning, I still can't get to sleep. I'm like, oh, this is not gonna be good. I'm gonna get up at the last minute recorder show with gravely voice.
I think that I think that Patreon supporters and our listeners at large will understand. Well, you keep telling yourself that, but no, they have expectations. They want you to be tight and bright, ready to go, hit the ground, run in, flip the switch, all that jazz jazz hands, show time. Because that's what I do.
I think it's... You know what? If I gave you some lame-ass story about how much kink I got last night, and that's why I have gravely voice you guys would be cheering me on, but just because I couldn't get to sleep. Yeah, because that's lame and boring.
You know, you can at least make some shit up. But let's have a little boring. Enough of all that. We have some significantly good news that was worrying you a lot and worrying us all that knew let's talk about how these happy titties before we move on.
They're happy titties, even though they were squashed to oblivion when I got to Creative Explorers house yesterday. I'm all don't touch my boobs. They're very emotionally sensitive right now. They've been poked and prodded and gel put on them and moved around and they're just like, stay away from us.
Don't let them anti-test. Which normally sounds like a good kink scene. Normally that would, I'm all for good, you know, boob torture scene, but this was, you know, there was no kinkiness to it. But it was good.
You know, I got good news. I got another year of peace while I, I sidestepped the Cancer Line, Landmine and I just got great news. It was really, it was really nice. And what they found last year, which was assist on my left breast, has remained assist and has actually gotten smaller.
So it's just a pocket of liquid. It's a liquid filled cyst and they don't see any problems with it. So I'll be back in another six months to get another, another mammogram, which everybody over the age of 40 should be getting at least once a year. I'm just going to stick that in there.
Good PSA. Good PSA. Now, is that inside of your boob right now, inside of your left boob, you said, is a tiny little, a little natures breast implant. It's very bizarre because they don't know why this happened and the common theory is it's, you know, due to excessive caffeine and I'm like, I don't drink coffee and I don't drink soda.
What the hell? And I have one by the way, which I'm going Monday to have an ultrasound on my traders' uterus again because there's one on my right ovary that's kind of sitting there in a precarious position and they have to check it every year. So I don't know what's going on with this. The system, my body is just a little bit of liquid buildup and everyone freaks out over including myself.
There. I'm done. But as a perfect guy, I'm like, does that make your teddy bigger? You are such a guy.
I'm just like, you know, like a 80 cc, you know, sis, you know, or it's like what? Such a guy. I had to ask. I'm deprived.
I have shower curtains. They're lonely. My shower curtains are lonely, Kathy. I think you should advertise that, but that a picture on FET go shower curtains here.
I come and get them. Any bitches out there who want them, I'm sure you'll be inundated with requests. Kathy, I sense a level of sarcasm with that last phrase you uttered as though I do not have the man magic to attract the hordes and masses. But no, here's what I'm saying.
Well, actually, I'm sorry. I forgot to put my sarcasm filter on. So hold on. All right.
Hey, I can't believe it. Shower curtains. Good for you, bro. Did I mention that I hate you?
That my level of hatred for you runs deepeth. If I'm going to speak in a biblical sense of my hatred, my hateth runneth thou's deepeth for thine. No, my problem isn't that I don't have available partners. That's what makes it maddening.
I am now back in Los Angeles and I am a mere hour drive away from said love fest. The problem is I'm still looking for a car. I have one dead ravioli that I live in in a gym parking lot. And then I literally have to walk a half mile, which isn't far, but it's still you got to walk so I can get the storage and then I say it's storage and I do things and look for a car and run the show and edit and all that stuff.
But then I walk back. So if I don't get a car, I can't go to the latest. I can't go. So the ladies are there waiting, but you can't accept.
They're waiting for me to get a car and then maybe get a motel or something like that and then we can have playtime in the motel. So everything's set up and I got a call yesterday from one of my partners who has been a partner on and off for like 25 years. And she all of a sudden, like Bunny, just discovered her professor, Snape fantasy. Oh, man.
That's right up your alley. And this I literally was like, just, uh-huh, uh-huh. She's like, I can't believe I just had this. You know, I thought about Professor Snape and just that voice and Alan Rickman and oh my God, and why'd he die?
And just, and she's just cushing on and on. And I literally, as she's talking, I just pull my Professor Snape wand off of the shelf. That's right there waiting for Bunny. And I literally open it and take a picture and I just send it to her and I go, do you know what that is?
And she's like, oh, ah. Oh my God. What this is the problem with dating primarily younger women is that they have no places of their own for you to go to. Well, this woman is older than me.
Oh, I said, I said, you know, we've dated on and off for 25 years. She was 25. Then that means I started porking her when she was a zygote. A fetus.
A fetal fucker. So why can't you go over there then? Well, I can if I had a car and it's like a thing. She has a roommate.
So it's COVID and so the roommate doesn't know me and they had an agreement. So when I get a car, then I agreed to go over and have tea with her in the roommates. So there could be like a meeting and then maybe come up or whatever, you know, it's tea, you know, jerk off on a napkin. I don't know.
No, it's not the same thing. You gotta promise me something. If you go and have tea with two women, I want a picture. I don't think either of them are open to that.
I mean, the picture of you holding a teacup with your pinky out. I can do that. Headley has taught me many things about the way of tea, which once again, it would be great to get Headley to actually have like some sort of tea segment. Notice I'm just pimping Headley without asking him first.
It's not as if he doesn't do enough already. I'm like, hey, Headley, by the way, a tea service segment would probably be pretty cool. That would probably be something to be really good with you and me and he to talk about a tea service because obviously he is the expert among us. If we ever get into another love lab, that's gonna be the first freaking thing we do is get on together and do a segment with him about tea.
Or have him make the trip down and serve you tea. Service all tea going on. I've loved tea. I just had a tea orgasm when you said that.
Tea gas. Look at Cathy. She has happy titties, peagasms and teagasms. Look at you are just a wealth of joy.
What happened there, man? What the hell happened? What the hell happened? Your nihilist has literally just taken a crap and run away to the wilderness.
That is magical. So, yeah. So now, and I did, you know, Enigma actually paid, I hired Enigma to leave his work and take me to go look at one car and it was kind of a disaster. It just worked.
Well, you know, he does delivery and food stuff and I'm like, hey, can I hire you away from your job to go look at a car? And so, that's why when we went to your place the other day to pick up the package, you know, he was there and it was funny because we went and looked at this car and I knew when people are super casual and they have that, everything's fine. Cars fine. Everything's great.
You know, I ask them, you know, all these specific questions. Yeah, this should have worked fine. You know, the car looks okay. I go down, I get on the ground, I look at, oh, there's two oil spots, you know, two things.
So, it has oil leaks. You know, the car's not expensive. It's like, you know, $25, $2,800. But still, I don't want to lump, you know, and then it's like, I see a pool of the antifreeze on top of the radiator and I'm just like, well, what's that?
And he's like, oh, you know, I, you know, just opened the cap the other day. You know, like that hasn't dried up after a few days. And then so it's just things are just, and then I go and I check the windows and one of them just literally drops and I go, and he just looked and just with this guy is pure, like it like Hannibal Lecter level selling of cars. He will not blink.
His heart rate doesn't go up. He knows he is not doing well on this cell. And he just literally is like, oh yeah, sometimes the window doesn't go up. Apparently he was farming in Russian.
And he just walks over and like picks up the window and you know, and he's like, yeah, it's no big deal doing problem. You know, price is firm. Oh my God. How do you find these people?
And I literally just close the hood. I hand him his keys back and I go good like selling the car. Doesn't say a word to me. He just turns around and walks away.
So, there's some things you will, you have to know, and I'm not a mechanic. So, you know, so this is my, why I'm not getting laid right now. I tried. It's a long story to tell us why you're not getting laid, but now we understand better.
Now you understand that it's there. The partners are just like, hey, you're back, right? That means we can play right. Right.
And I'm like, I need a car. The links you have to go to the hoops you have to jump through boogie to get laid is showing some, that's some dedication to supposed to be man. Welcome to being a man. That life is the place.
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Well, that's the right. I'm getting laid up. I'm no longer the right guy. I'm not the right person, but I'm not the right guy.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. We did that. That was our new fat life, jingle on top of the other fat life jingle.
It's probable color to work in progress. OK. We'll do that. All right.
Little songbird gave us permission to talk about her post called, Court Me Like I'm a Manila Girl. It's actually when I just said that it sounds like I said Manila. Yeah. That's what I'm saying.
where's my way by the way where's the left it's it's i've never mind okay total a american i know nothing about geography and let's not tell the listeners how lame you and i are geographically because uh... will be a lot of trouble the like i'm pulling my patreon support motherfucker you know where you are on this planet so alright so i'm just gonna use the word vanilla even the school i want to fuck this up again uh... court like i'm a little girl she said sometimes i feel like that's too much as for courting that's free of sexual inuendo remarks are of my news and questions about my kids i want to feel seen by someone who wants to know the vanilla wafer side of me first who cares about my thoughts my feelings experiences who's curious about my interests in life adventures and wants to see how our lives could align can comes later when i decided that i like your company and want to get naked then we can talk about sex on the dirty filthy depraved parts of our minds i get it guys want to know there's a sexual connection but that doesn't mean sex needs to be a topic on the first three days when i don't even know how much i like you yet until then just treat me like a vanilla girl if you do i will reward you with complete authenticity if you don't i will reward you with fast and distressed i'm just a girl kinky girl but a girl no less and that girl should come first not to the cake now i knew when i read this i thought i'm gonna ask for permission as a good weird one because uh... it actually a pretty good thing to do because you and i basically represent the polar opposites on this opinion and both are legitimate and both are perfectly fine because we each are coming from different places uh...
i myself being a uh... kind of person who needs to be sexual that's right i am you have a word you have a term for it i have i guess i am that he's actual and i need to find that connection first and it's nothing this is not uh... uh... making a comment on what a great person i am or the quality of my personal no it's not i just i can help it that's the way my brain is wired i wish it weren't i wish it were total so that who the minute uh...
i even felt any connection with with another partner woman or man i would immediately start gushing and get sexually roused i would love that unfortunately and get to know your brain first and to laugh with you and that's what fucking turns me on when the king comes out and so i would love that but it seems very uh... very difficult to find in the current state of our world especially in this country because we've advanced so much where we don't we're not afraid of discussing sex and we we we know how healthy it is to have a fantasy life in a sex life and and to just enjoy yourself as long as it's work between adults and consensual that's great but i think that sometimes it comes at a price and people like myself and this author pay that price because we really uh... need and enjoy that kind of interaction before any sex happens and then there's the perfectly fine and normal other side of it like yours so i will i winded off the year but i think that uh... indeed i still hate you and uh...
but i think it really sure i have once again seventy five people sit notes oh my god pink another pink well they're paying because they're not the real post-it notes are way too expensive but then you know it's a sort of post-it notes just perfect yes and i have tons of them i spent a lot of time i really really there's an instinct to kind of be a snobby dick that wells in the constantly and no different in this situation because i have a lot of experience with it and you know i've been a lifestyle on time but this is a topic where i really and truly believe more than ninety percent of my other bullshit that i think i'm an expert on i really believe i have a balanced answer for this exact conundrum that is not uncommon that is something i've heard many times from many women maybe some and feel this way to i don't know i don't i don't live in but i have spoken to many women usually on the new year end of entering the lifestyle and getting on that life and i heard this a lot that why can't people appreciate me for you know me first and then we'll get into the sex because of this or that i have many answers but the first thing that i want to start with is that what you present to somebody is your first impression and will elicit a reaction based on what you have put out in general not talking about the guys that are pigs don't don't even spend any effort reading your profile or whatever you know we're not talking about the the people that no matter what they're like we're on a kink website so you're here and i'm gonna be kinky and i'm gonna say loot things no matter what you present so we're gonna talk about the average person the average man and the average profile that you set up so i went to this poster's profile and i said what is her first impression that she puts off she is asking for um you know three dates and in this post she wants you know three dates where we don't talk about sex and then we uh you know can talk about sex later i want you to love me for me and investigate me for me so i went to her profile her avatar picture is a picture of her hanging upside down naked every picture of her and this isn't a shame or whatever i'm just saying this is what's on your site um every picture is either in a sexy corsad or you know some sort of thing there are no pictures of you know ice skating on vacation sipping a cup of tea you know goofing off with your friends waving you know out of a car the message that is put out is all sensual or sexual these are that's your first impression of what you put out now then in the profile the reading part the poster did a much better job of starting with more of her non-kink likes and then of course touched on some of the her sexuality and a little bit but she did it in a in a more general way which i thought was good if she wants more of the psychological connection before the sexual connection but there was still things about her sexuality and she alluded to some posts about you know how to fuck her and you know something like that so that is your first see because people don't understand cathie a profile is your first date the profile has replaced what used to be called the first date in the old days you saw someone at a bowling alley or in front of a movie theater and you're like hey did you want to go out and they don't know you and they're like okay well let's go have a malt and you know we'll go to the malt shop and we'll have a malt and so you go to the malt shop and you meet them in that place and then what do you do you say so so tell me about yourself and that's what people did that's how people interacted before uh the internet and social media and profiles so now with profiles you have the ability to put out exactly all of your information and this poster did and many other people do oh i like this and hiking and you know roller skating you know going to the zoo blah blah blah blah and that gives somebody the idea you know the ability to say oh i have things in common with this person that's great got it but that profile is your first date so if you put out something you can't get a guy's dickard and then all of a sudden expects him to completely ignore his erection and talk about your vacation where some old lady taught you how to feed ghosts that's just not how an erection works that's not how the primal side of a mind works so if you engage my sexuality expect me to talk about things that are sexual i have told so many women who have had this conversation with me i ask them what are you putting on your profile and they're all i was a picture of this and here's my tits and my vagina and whatever and i'm like why not just put a picture of a cute cat or you you know riding a ferris wheel or something well i you know i want to be sexy and i want to feel sexy and i want to be validated for being sexy and that's fine you can you absolutely can but if your goal is to avoid sexy conversations then why are you putting your sexuality out first so you're saying her profile is kind of in contradiction in that the pictures are highly sexual but then the profile is saying this is what i'm expecting from you and what i'm looking for it's more it is more of it she's not projecting i mean most of all everyone's complaint is nobody reads the profile but if somebody is actually looking to have a connection with you you know because there's different things people are looking for a play partner on fat life they're looking for a hookup on fat life they're looking for online you know sexual role play on fat life or they're looking for a relationship to develop a relationship with someone so that all should be expressed very early this this post that she made if it was my choice in my advice i would say to put that this is what i am looking for and then continue jennway and i were analyzing someone's fucking profile but this is the post she made the post yeah which is not normally what we do but in this case it happens not to also be a perfect example that we can use to discuss so you know i i i under unlike a lot of people out there who might get offended at what you say i understand that you all of us have to take responsibility for the consequences of what we put in motion in our lives so i i and in this i'm not i'm actually not talking about this girl in particular at all because i've read so many posts of people who do the same thing and complain about it um and i actually just my personal opinion is i don't think she's really doing a great deal of complaining on her post but i've read some posts where oh my lord people are just so upset women are so upset and pissed off that they put the most sexually explicit pictures on them and people have the nerve to be assholes well yeah how dare you be turned on well it's not just that you're unfortunately whether you like it or not you're going to attract complete assholes when you put a picture like that particularly on a site like this because this kind of site on its own attracts um a lot of the worst in in men out there it just does that's the way it's going to work and then on dishing if you put on um very explicit photos you're going to get even more of that coming into your inbox case in point i have uh no pictures explicit or otherwise uh of me and i don't get any fucking emails none i always do you have an f do you have an f for female on your profile i i actually used to have a pretty long uh profile description and recently i took it off because it didn't fit me anymore and i haven't even bothered to come up with something new i have pictures i have a couple pictures of me in a Halloween costume not sexy at all i and pictures of my dog and pictures of other things right i'm on a podcast and i don't get fucking emails okay so you people lust for you all the time oh please okay maybe not all the time but it's happened more than once more than once more than me all right but my point is that that is the now also i'm i again we're we are using her profiles example but i'm using mine too i don't don't get those fucking emails because guys will click through those profiles very quickly the pictures and to them a sexy picture equals a woman who wants sex and because as you say their men are much more as as a whole much more primal than women when it comes to the sexual urge let around by their dicks is the phrase that everybody uses and they will go for that i get that i'm gonna also say this if i were a fin attractive woman i would have those fucking pictures up on my profile and i would say damn the fucking consequences i don't mind getting those emails i would just hit delete delete delete delete delete delete this is who i am motherfucker i am a sexual woman i enjoy my body i enjoy posting pictures of my body and i want you to motherfucking court me and if you don't want to that's fine if you want me send me a horrible email i will fucking block your ass and i will do everything they need to but i would be okay with those consequences now this is someone speaking who doesn't get that kind of attention so i may after six months go oh my god this is too much and just delete my profile i totally get that right i've never been on that on that end of the i've never been we've never been on the oh my god hot harassment you know i hear about it all the time i mean i put my dick up you know here's you know i put my balls dipped in blue dye on my profile you know i don't know a lot of dick pics but you know i i have some like mmm my serious dominant look pics and you have the i brought the dominant eyebrow dumb eyebrow you know looking thing nobody gives a fuck people are just like hey man like the show you're a douche you know well i i'm gonna just finish by saying i i loved her post i don't see anything wrong with it i think she's just doing a minor complaint i don't think she's she does not in my opinion join the ranks of the many people that i have read who think that there's nothing wrong with what they do there's everything wrong with what you do and you should stop it because you were predator and i'm gonna report you to the least i mean that there's that extreme attitude and then there's her post who's just like i'm kicking i'm sexual and i get it i would just love it if people would just cool their jets and understand that i am demisexual and i'm gonna have to get to know you and it's it's a tough road to go down i i've had one partner in years because i find it hard to find that i mean it doesn't help that i'm old in fact that that absolutely works against me um and the pandemic doesn't help either but uh it's a tough road to travel when you are a sexual person and you like putting that out there but you also need to be courted um it's not fun it just isn't and i feel her pain i agree and i absolutely hope and i try it i mentally because at first i want to be snobby and you know and and do the count boogie asshole thing but i really want this poster to know and everybody just like you you have the right to want whatever you want from how you vet and develop relationships with people you absolutely have the right but there is a way to make it work better for your success and then there's that difference of the fantasy of people seeing my sexy photos and validating me but that one true person cutting through and saying i see you all sexy and i am attracted to you but i'm going to ignore all of that and then i'm just going to talk to you about feeding goats in melana or wherever the hell we talk manila and then the reality of how am i presenting myself and am i presenting myself in a way that builds a space for people to understand oh this person probably wants some more before we talk about sex and also it's it's important to also state that it is okay for people to just want to have lewd conversations because there are lots of women that want that yeah that say that and they want you to jack off on their photos so it's really just standing up for yourself but also being realistic about what image you're putting out and the expectation of people to overcome all you know millions of years of evolution and a lizard brain and you got to poke the guys in the intellectual before you poke them in the dick right is geeky world news a social enigma i don't know that's asking nigma he should know because he's got the same name oh ladies and gentlemen 2020 restoration with enigma are you ready are you ready to go are you ready for boobies oh isn't this what we have become an enigma yes it is yes absolutely is and it hasn't changed and we get excited about boobies because we're 12 going on me 50 and you what like 28 or something i don't know i'm 32 but yeah 32 okay that's that's you're at that age you're at that magical age where your spine still recovers from Resculation 2020 how are you doing enigma i'm doing pretty good um i uh i got to have some fun last week so you know that's which hence the clever term that i coin thank you very much yes because it was a Resculation because uh this is the person that you wrestled with the last time we talked about it that's correct it was fun um she and i've been like getting the other couple times and actually today we plan to get to the other good but yeah it was it was a lot of fun like she came over we did kind of a Halloween body paint shoot like i painted her butt to look like a pumpkin nice because butt in the face it always works out and yeah and so then afterwards she like cleaned herself off and then we started wrestling and it definitely escalated what was kind of funny was right at the beginning i was like oh i'm gonna put my fingers in our mouth because that's like wrestling and trying to like gag her and choke her sure and i did it and then my immediate next thought was like oh i never talked we never talked about that because that's kind of something you need to bring up thankfully it was like right at the beginning so i like i immediately to my fingers i was like i'm so sorry is that okay and she laughed and uh and was like actually i am really fucking into that wow because like yeah because like i stuck the fingers in her mouth and then like i could see the the like thought process in her head was like oh what is he do oh i like that like i saw the thought process in her face and that's why i stopped because i was like okay there was concern in her eyes for a second and it was just kind of like a surprise we hadn't talked about that but now i know she's into it so okay but you guys have a safe word established that you know she can she can also speak up for herself oh yeah and it's not like you tried to stick your dick and her ass or something i did not no um like yeah we agreed like the first thing like like if things are too bad red is good but also like we're not at a point where stop isn't does it mean stop right so so definitely just got more into that and then it was funny because we were talking about like i do the photography thing and we're talking about oh we should go look at backdrops and she was like hey i have a coupon to joann's and so we like wrestled for an hour and then we like drove down to uh there's a pretty big art and craft store joann's is like a big arts and craft store here in the states like a big warehouse of arts and crafts and they just um build one a couple months ago in like the LA area that's like two stories of joann's um yeah so we went to that one and it was fun because like we i'd i'd established the last time that she was in the pressure points and so i just got to like tease her with pressure points all the way to joann's and like while she's like sitting in the car texting people like distracting her with gropeage and pinching and all right so this so this was definitely an escalation it was it was that's good and so you had more fun now than uh was she clothed in youth or was she nude new fully clothed or did you finally get some more nakedness for the enigma i went for um i went shirtless like going slightly like working up to full nude together like i don't want to like um go to just don't want to spring your massive man need honor just right right yeah yeah because i can be terrifying right right when they see that right i i definitely don't want to scare her with my massive fiend uh massive fiend yeah then we came back from joann's um i fed her pie because i made i made pie good good tactic i works wonders i have pie i have snacks i have otter pops like i have i have some massive snacks for days like i'm i'm good um and then while we were in there um you've been here like in my kitchen like i have these like kind of a bench sort of set up on one side of my kitchen and after the pie like i just like gently took the plate from her and then i just like grabbed her and like shoved her over the the bench and just like wailed on her like ripped off the clothes that she was wearing and just like wailed on her ass for a while and yeah subtle i like it yeah it was good here's your pie now in ass meeting that is that is good that is that is quality quality day kink like that's something i've been wanting to do with those chairs like since i moved in and haven't had somebody that could get that aggressive with so that's great there's definitely like as i'm doing i'm like yes yeah i'll checked off that because you know it's true we're dudes and we just stare at every you know okay if i stand on a milk crate you know i mean just the right height at this if someone does like literally like yeah yeah i planned out for weeks and then was able to finally fuck somebody on top of the refrigerator oh you know like how am i gonna stand on the counter you know and that's you know it's you know it's not glamorous no but it is it is entertaining it was not the best yeah i have fucked more than once in more than one place somebody on top of the refrigerator just a goddamn duet so congratulations thank you thank you on use of your bench now then we have a couple things to talk about things going on in the world yes we do and what do we have today so we're gonna start off with some some literary information so if anybody's looking for something to read while they're in lockdown this comes from okra mag dot com so this comes straight from okra so that that means it's quality you told harpoda beat me i loves harpot exactly kill him dead before i let a man beat me what's that from color purple that was Oprah Renfreet good job thank you very much she should have gotten Oscar for that there's a whole thing about that so this article is called aro quan and garth greenwell revealed the details of their sexy new fiction anthology kink so as we've discussed on the show before the coronavirus is made being intimate with each other a lot more difficult and yet as a culture we are thirstier for sex than ever just looking at like the numbers from pornhub that they've been putting out like people have been searching all sorts of random shit on their site here here and so this new anthology kink looks to open some doors for people the book aims to open people's minds for emotional and erotic exploration and unlike other stories and other anthologies this book actually looks into what kink actually is and not what people like russian grace as it is right so i just thought this would be a really cool thing for people to check out if they're locked down and things are getting a little stuffy and the fact that they are they're aiming to come at kink from a bit more of a ethical perspective than a lot of stories do i think is really important as well as the story does like it's stories from all over the spectrum they have stories about three couples gate couples like they they don't just keep it to like one specific avenue like it's they're looking at the whole spectrum that is kink i thought it was really good i mean just from what i read in that article right i like the fact that all of a sudden now talking they don't even call it negotiation they just say talking before you play right which is negotiation i don't give a fuck what you call it we just want people to talk about what they're going to do before they do it and to find out how empowering that is and how not just building the sexiness and oh where let's try this and we can try this or oh that's not going to work and become a total disaster and kill the scene you know here this is going to work so it is exciting to hear more talk in literature in kern erotica about talking beforehand and and consent right and so you don't usually hear that there was still some things that still they're kind of you know formulaic you know a lot of their researcher whatever is coming from oh i used to be a pro-domb you know and so i know we're still attached in mainstream media we're still attached to going to pro-dombs to talk about uh chemistry and kink and that doesn't mean that pro-dombs can't have a healthy kink life but in general there is still a focus on money for intimacy right and so so i always want to say that i still am hoping for the day where the majority of research that is done about kink is from people who do this solely because they love it and solely because the exchange that they get is power and not just finance but in general i thought i was really excited to see that it does seem as though we are progressing in the mainstream to start seeing what we are attempting to do in the lifestyle right yeah and i saw on a uh on facebook the other day like there was this meme going around that it was talking about how like you may not call it uh aftercare but like after you've had sex like what you do you have a snack you smoke you have a drink you talk about it like aftercare is is something that is actually pretty common in the quinna quipanilla world but we don't look at it that way like we used to call it pillow talk right yeah that was called people who pillow talk and there was people who had pillow talk and then people who put on their pants and left um but i think it's normalizing it yeah it is definitely normalizing it but i think there's also there's more than the general perception that aftercare is also allowing you to get a little deeper into that so i don't care what they call it but i would like to see if you call it pillow talk that it you know pillow talk usually just refers to talking about your life maybe you give a little bit about oh my god i can't believe we did that but it was just more conversational and that's where the jokes you know came you know in in the 80s and 90s about pillow talk and you know that it was a distraction from hard sex and stuff like that so but i would definitely love to see that become more normalized where it's like oh now this is the debriefing you know where we get to talk about what we did and how it made you feel and how it made me feel and oh that part actually seemed a little weird but then we got through it and so that definitely that interactive discussion afterwards even after all the cuddling and and whatever if people are into that uh type of cuddling it's exciting and with uh like the person that i've been i've been seeing the last couple weeks like she and i still have like we will still have conversations like like i did like in the middle of the scenes like oh hey we need to stop this and check in and like it didn't stop the scene and it was just like hey let's check in and i think that's something that could happen after sex like you're talking about like you call it whatever you want but like having that having that normalizing the conversation and normalizing you know actually reconnecting with your partner i think is definitely important and stories like this and the fact that it's on you know the Oprah it's an over magazine like that's that's definitely going to do good for normalizing our culture i think so i just uh we just have to keep talking about it you know uh hopefully we can normalize it enough to where there's like a snowball effect and that's what i'm really hoping for because right now kink podcast BDSM podcast whatever you want to call it we are still very not searchable in many many formats the people that do live this is a lifestyle it is a very big uphill battle not just in monetization not just trying to make money in donations and uh you know crowdfunding and you know stuff like that forget about all that just to be found in search engines right just to be considered educational as opposed to just some fringe kind of kink sexuality that we have to shove away um my hope is that as more of these types of books and interviews and such normalize the kink and BDSM lifestyle and see it is a source of education as a potential source of positive interaction in a relationship that all of a sudden some things are going to lighten up and people are going to actually be able to find the information they're looking for right because right now it's not there yeah like you have to really already kind of know what you're looking for to find to even search on google yeah yeah you can't very unfriendly towards anything adult oriented right so we're keep working on it but it's good i like i'll take any progress at this point exactly which is uh which kind of goes into our next article um this comes from cypost.org that's cyas and psychology cypost.org thank you so this article is called new research raises questions about the nature of hypersexuality and whether it's a mental disorder okay so first off i love this topic i did because well because it's like can men really be sex addicts or is it just something they say to get sympathy when they get caught cheating right is is the joke so now there's some research behind it exactly um actually what i want to first get into is if you go to this article they have a picture at the top of the article like many articles do but this picture is it's basically me every night a dude staring at his computer with a weird look on his face and that that affects me a bit um like i don't wear a tie but it's a little too close to home i'm i'm a little offended by the picture and other than that like once you get past the picture at sign but that initial picture it's like that's that's too webcammy creeper vibe to me just had to get that out of the way anyway so the world health organization lists compulsive sexual behavior disorder as impulse control problem this is a disorder that's kind of parallel to what we're talking about today um the research research focus primarily on about 200 men with about half of them clinically diagnosed with being with being hypersexual they were tested on their physical reaction to porn and written suggestions like when an attractive person starts with me i easily become sexually aroused what i found interesting was how there wasn't a lot of response from the porn but the fantasy of the the couldbes and the maybes that's the written suggestion is what really got people going um but yeah like like your time at like really what the research really came out to was that people like the men in the study maybe aren't necessarily hypersexual about porn but it's it's the fantasy is actually getting in a situation it's it's the real-life stuff that actually does a lot more for people so the idea how did this address the compulsion i mean because obviously compulsive behaviors can be in anything you can become compulsive about food eating video games drugs gambling you know and and that can get to a point to where your brain has taken over that activity as the only thing that you prioritize in order to survive and that of course can have disastrous uh social relationship and and personal consequences to that so i didn't really see in the article where it really addressed the compulsion other than just measuring you know oh yeah in this sense maybe they got a little more turned on yeah and and i mean we talked about this a few weeks ago about there's another research study that tested physical reaction right to something and that like we talked about it then like i have a pretty big problem with that sort of testing it's like oh because oh they didn't get hard so they must not be into that but it's kind of like we were talking about before like they're they're starting to do these studies more and i think that that's definitely like we were just talking about like that's a good thing but i think it's the it's the approach that i think it's the problem there that a lot of these scientists are still putting a lot of weight into physical reaction in this case erections and that's not necessarily an identifier of actual arousal actual interest and if we're looking at the response to like being hypersexual i i'm not exactly sure what the what should be tested but like a boner doesn't necessarily do that no a lot of these things i think are going to go more towards the psychological evaluations on what people are willing to give up when you feel uh this urge sexually does that prioritize overeating or going to work or you know i think there's definitely a lot better approaches to to testing and interviewing to see if somebody actually has a negative compulsion towards an activity as opposed to just you know if you're turned on i totally agree with you this is this is another study that really seems once again to just focus on on the physical to to validate an outcome or an analysis right exactly i don't exactly know what the answer is but i definitely don't i think uh i think it just needs to change a little bit i are you listening scientists because enigma and boogie are in the house and we're letting you know this is not the way to do it do better get out there get out there and fucking do it we want some studies to talk about that actually get into some real shit and not just play with boners what the fuck is up with that anyway everything's about you know boners and ejaculation it's men it's men we need women running these fucking studies because women are into the communication in the headspace about it sir i don't think i actually get into like who the oh one of the studies is a well her name's Nicole so it's an ip well then Nicole is secretly a man baby this is me just exhibiting my ignorant prejudices towards me well and something that i was i'm thinking about like i did a lot of social psychology classes in college that was my minor and i think where i think possibly one of the limitations is like they don't want to actually go out and and deal with ethical issues of like interacting with people in the real world because that takes a lot of that takes a lot of planning a lot of maybe pushing people's ethics just a little bit to like find out uh to get responses out of people because i definitely did a couple of studies where we had to go out and like do stuff around people and see how were they reacted so i think that might be why a lot of these studies are more they're trying to be more clinical about it but i think going out into the real world and actually like being in these spaces where where quote unquote hypersec rally will be like going to uh sex clubs going like we have a couple clubs here that would be great uh study environments for like a for researcher to go and just like watch people and hypersexual environments and see how they actually react in these in these areas i think that's something that would be a lot more beneficial than sticking somebody into a lab and putting a you know a thing under deck and being like all right get hard so in other words it's lazy science we're trying to fight against i think so like don't be lazy get out there in the real world mix it up do some crazy shit fuck with some heads you'll get to the core as look at that we just fixed it again we did as a professional haunted house person i i agree mind-fucking is the best kind of fucking um i am on board and on that note enigma it was great talking with you and we look at i look forward to hearing resolution part six i look forward to it 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just so very happy to have you know it's good it's bad it's good it's bad but in general i really feel the opportunities are here to make this show better i know i say that it's not you but i really think in the last six months we have improved we have done things and we're going to keep doing those things because you keep pushing us on thank you so much katty for being my nemesis and my love at the same time i don't know why i'm talking like i'm gonna die tomorrow but i might die tomorrow you don't know apparently i'm gonna get hit by a truck walking home uh we will see i'm not run over by a truck god damn it maybe we'll have some good sexy stories next week and maybe i'll get laid and if not god damn we'll just see you next week kick it try