There's a little cup of tea that headleap holds for Cathy and me and we adore Cathy yes, if you had any idea what I looked like right now. I am in my car I am in like some big parking lot with Lowe's and Walmart and Staples I'm in my car all of the gear is set up the laptop the mics that everything I have 27 post-it notes pink post-it notes Smeared all over my steering wheel because I realized I can't see them without the street lamp and I'm ready Cathy you know what I honestly one of our listeners has to go one time to where you are and take pictures of you because it's just I don't think anybody Will believe it I took a picture this steering wheel hopefully the sticky lasts on the notes Otherwise I'm gonna be talking over to be like so yes, I sound really like I know what I'm well shit fuck Um, I'm gonna wing it now people walking by your car can tell me here because I know how loud you are yes And the windows halfway down so whatever don't care they can hear me in storage the bottom line is you and I are Dedicated to doing this motherfucking show other one of my notes. Hopefully that was an important It'll be the note that you need of course of course. I'll be like Shit, Kathy hurry up.
Let's start a show already the following show is for mature audiences only listener discretion is advised And if you don't like it, please go fuck yourself Hello and welcome to perverted podcast the show where we explore the adventures of the kinky lifestyle sex and perversion from any parking lot anywhere in any country For you recording tonight once again through Zen caster and praying to the podcast gods and everything sounds great and nobody Taks booking the parking lot. I'm Kathy. I am kelbogey and goddamnit Kathy. It really is an exciting show I love the topics that we're gonna be talking about I had a great conversation with Enigma yesterday some really good topics And I just I'm excited and I did some things Kathy that were a little risky for me What and I feel good about it But I want your opinion because obviously I have no one else to talk to and I start therapy tomorrow Okay, so which is by the way I start freakin therapy tomorrow finally after a year of not having therapy and and my therapist sounds totally It was kind of weird.
I got the therapy and then all of a sudden like my therapist tried to mommy me Which I thought you would find a little bit funny So I do this like two hour over the phone like you intake thing and my therapist is real cool. She's laughing She's like wow you're really funny. She's totally validating me. I'm like this chicks awesome.
No kink shame I talked about ddlg daddy don't little girl. I talked about you know all these different things She was asking a lot of questions and of course it's me so I sound like this to her and so it went really well But it was two hours. I couldn't believe how long the intake was I've never had a therapist intake go that long And they're one another note god damn it and it seemed it seemed like she almost didn't want to get off the phone Like after two hours. I'm like, you know, I'm like, okay Well, you know, I don't want to be a burden and she's been on so long and she's giving me all this great information It's been really good and and so I'm like, okay.
Well, thank you so much and I swear to god She's all so so so what are you gonna do this evening? No, what no like like a person like a human would ask no Like just like just like yeah like just and I'm like well I you know I got some editing to do and then I'm gonna do the things and she says that's very good I'm really excited about meeting you. I think this is gonna be great This is the therapist the therapist acting like a fucking human. That's not fucked up She's she's not gonna ask me to pray or rub stones together while I'm touching my testicles or Which might be kind of fun in a weird way, but like totally human and I just like it literally dumbfounded me I'm like, okay, I'm really looking forward to meeting you too.
Thank you And we're trying to figure out a name for her, you know because she knows I go I have a show and she's like Oh, what's the name of your show? So I don't know if she's gonna go listen I mean that would blow my mind and I tell her and I tell her about the show and stuff like that And so I do this two-hour thing and she's asking me all these hard questions and at the end I'm like do I pass you know did I pass am I sufficiently crazy enough for therapy and she laughs ha ha ha and she's like no There's not really a pastor film. I'm like well, you know two hours of intake, you know I just I needed to feel like you know I passed or something and she gets this cute voice and she goes okay I'll give you a gold star. Oh my god No, and I went What is going on here?
I go I am the daddy Gives out gold stars, but me she's a mommy. She is not she's a therapist She probably didn't know she didn't understand that that was a big dynamic like what the fuck was that shit? I'll give you a gold star and I just started laughing. She'll get you a coloring book and some crayons too Oh, maybe you wrap your labia around my fucking cock and check it out.
Yeah fucking hag fuck you We need to get you blankies and a stubby god damn it shut up. I don't want a gold star It's validation, but not a gold star When we're kids we want gold stars, but when we're adults we try and make it sound better by saying we want validation When really we just want a gold fucking star, you know, we as plural and I is singular and I don't even know goddamn gold star She said I was funny. That was enough. It was just weird that she offered me a gold star So I don't need a goddamn gold star.
Oh, she has glitter that when you're trying man up your voice gets lower Fuck you Did you get dick this week? I did get dick last week last weekend I was there, but I don't have a whole lot to tell you know I gotta tell you why okay because all of a sudden Because you know, I'm in a weird place in my life where I'm I'm procrastinating on a bunch of stuff I really do need to go out and seek a higher paying job Right and do a bunch of other things and so a creative explorer is somebody who I can really be brutally honest with and he doesn't really Judge me and he'll give me nothing but constructive criticism, which is exactly what I want and somehow or either boogie We found ourselves in the midst of one of the most disorienting Brutal discussions we have ever had I mean I have felt shell shocked this entire week I'm not gonna go into details because it's basically in order to get down to the Nitty gritty of why I behave the way I do why I procrastinate why I have such low self-esteem I think we hit bedrock and it was a very very wildly uncomfortable discussion to have and I wouldn't have had it with anyone other than him because I just I don't feel safe With a lot of people and with him for some fucking reason I absolutely do but let me tell you it was quite unnerving and I'm still reeling from it and So it's basically wiped out in my memory any good fucking time I had and all I can remember is that's the fucking weekend in which I just felt like I really hit rock bottom at some point So I have a good king time, but yeah, so that was tough So wait a minute I mean first off we got to get back to some dick because dicks important But so is this something where it was like an eye opener like you're like oh shit. This is yeah That makes a lot of sense kind of thing it was a combination of any revelation I'm not gonna call it epiphany There was nothing that was revealed that I didn't already know but it was concentrated in a short in over the course of two different conversations over the weekend and each time we got a little bit deeper and because he's so good at You know asking the good tough questions I and because I'm so comfortable with him I absolutely went deeper than I would with anybody else and I was honest with all my answers because I felt I got no problem crying in front of him I got no problem telling him some of the most vulnerable things about me that I just don't fucking tell anybody about why I do the things that I do and It was just a combination of me confessing to stuff and him giving me advice and then him giving me his Opinion of what he had heard which is the brutal part because even though he wasn't mean about it To be cut to come face to face with someone who is very very honest and a very technical mind who can look at everything I say and pull it into this pattern and show it to me It was it was a tough weekend. I'm not gonna lie So it overshadowed the dick.
I'm saying I'm sorry to say but that's what happened Okay, so now you've basically teased us with this incredible revelation of depth is there at least a catchphrase Vague that you could give us to give us a hint on the path there Because we're not getting nothing out of you. It's just all you know It's heavy and heavy and it was technical and you you know But everyone's kind of like probably with me going like yeah Is this like low self-worth or you got somebody stole your puppy when you were a kid kind of thing or oh It's um saying it out loud I don't think is going to really have that huge of an impact but because it's my life It had a huge impact to me, but basically How do I put this I've I've I've I've voiced for the first time ever out loud to anybody that I Don't have any a lot of fight in me and I surrender a lot to what happens around me without fighting and As an adult that sucks, but as a child it was based in large part on My upbringing the fact that you know my mom worked her fucking ass off and didn't have time to really Rearice in any way and my father was just non-existent And I grew up in a very small going to a very small school in which that was my whole world And I was a very very unpopular not social person And so I believed everything that was told to me and I never learned to fight back I never learned to stand up for myself and so to find out that all my complacency and all of my Procrastinating and what I was called just laziness is in large part due to this this core of of who I am It's it's very unnerving to hear that I brought it out in the open to hear myself say it to somebody else And that's basically that's the core of it. I could go into detail, but my god would be her all fucking day Kathy That's incredibly valid. That's an entire genre of survival mechanism for a young child and we all have those there's the surrender Tactic which you say that that's the road that you took and then there's me that was the fuck you I'm gonna stand up and rebel and tell everyone to fuck off when I'm actually just a terrified fucking kid that Anyone to rely on because they tell me I'm bad.
There's a lot of different mechanisms that start very young and What you've just described is is a thing I mean that is a valid valid thing and if you never actually address that I mean because first off Let's just be honest. You've got plenty of fighting you when it comes to me. I Don't know what the fuck you are talking about Kathy, but you should stand the fuck up to me So maybe there's some things in your life that you surrender to more than you wish you would but you do that fight I didn't I get that he and I had this discussion too because he was describing to me What is an actual thing called learned helplessness where this is what you learn? This is at the core of your upbringing is you don't know how to fight for yourself?
So he brought up He would even at the beginning the conversation was confused and said I've seen you fight and most recently and in the most Spectacular way when you know Threshold tried to kick you and boogie and everybody else out and you stood out for yourself and gave that speech and Yes, that's and it's true and I said yeah, but you you're pointing out one or maybe a handful of times that you've seen that happen like You and I boogie but the overwhelming majority of my life I back down and I'm paralyzed with fear and indecision I can't even ask my boss for a raise because I 100% believe him when he he said when he says that you know this is a secretarial job and and You know any number of other things I I surrendering give it in like that. I don't even question it Oh, you're right. I'm just gonna back off right so I need to go into that kind of I mean I know we try and keep it light at the top of the show, but I Surprising to me that I was sitting here thinking we have some good good sexy fun time What can I talk and I couldn't fucking remember what I did less we get with creative exploring I realized man That whole conversation. There's two conversations.
We had just kind of clouded out any good fun time We can't even fucking remember it well, you know what first off Kathy fuck it This was this is good stuff and I think I think our listeners receive value from whenever you are real And this was something very real and I will promise you that out of the thousand or whatever listeners that we have it Should be a million by the way God fucking damn it But it's not a thousand is a wonderful sized little church we have the church of cock And yes, we say church of cock whoever the fuck the grammar not see as I call this on it But listen It's a it's a benefit because I will promise you that there is a percentage of our our listeners that can probably absolutely relate to What you have discovered about yourself and and I think that's super positive and I'm glad and of course we're gonna talk more about dick And Cankin but I think this is good I mean I think it's great when you meet yourself even though you kind of know when you just actually see that person in the mirror and You call them out on that thing that you feel is held you back. I think that's incredibly powerful Well, I totally agree with you But I don't know like I said it. It's a very vulnerable position to be in and I Didn't really want to talk about the show in any detail because I knew that it could get really heavy and in addition We are gonna be discussing later on something under host topic another thing that I tried with creative explorer So I didn't want to make it too heavy, but yeah, hell You know what if anybody can gain any anything positive from hearing me say all this stuff. I'm all for it I have no problem discussing well I appreciate you opening up for that and now let's get I was gonna talk about the fact that I threw away my entire audio and video history from my 20s and 30 including every air check tape that I had from k-rock as a DJ including all the video cuz that's of My bands all of my bands all of everything and I just purged it because I'm purging stuff out of storage and that stuff Kind of you know some there's to be like oh when you start removing your history.
That's because you're getting ready to kill yourself I don't think that's what it was Kind of dumping the trash like you know Like an imperial star fighter and the Millennium Falcon just kind of floats away with it Going to hyper-drive let's dope a trash Please know that the author baby post we talk about as specific we granted his permission to do so today I have a wonderful post by somebody called undisputable That's that's a strong character right there if you suppose that is your name. I'm undisputable Isn't it indisputable I I they're undisputable okay I couldn't talk shit about this name because I was grammatically confused now Was a grammar Nazi I didn't know I'm like I'm just beautiful. I go guess I'm just not gonna make fun of this name this week Sorry undisputable it's a rite of passage that you don't get to go through you got to have like Undisputable like wolf or undisputable you know penis shifter or something, you know When you just put it out there and say I'm undisputable there's nothing a laugh at or joke about that so I think they dodged a bullet this time I know okay go I wrote a post called break off the leash of shame in which he says in the vanilla world shame is a leash a Firm string that keeps millions on a proper social trajectory if you break off this leash You will find many people around eager to help you feel it back perhaps even tighter than before because quote you are not that kind of girl Who would want that that's sick? I can't believe that people dot dot dot you look like a hooker change into something normal And they're not only around you they crawl inside your head you become your own thought police You're scared of your own needs and desires and why wouldn't you be your needs and desires are all wrong?
They're only in your head because of porn you shouldn't even imagine them little old act on them What kind of normal girl would want to be fucked by strangers slapped in the face and be tied up? But if you're here and you read this it means you fight back Perhaps you already broke a leash perhaps you just dipped your toes not yet knowing if you want to go down that path But no matter if you will stay vanilla or embrace all the kink you can kick the fuck out that sensor from inside your head Because quote you are that kind of girl you want to be you do what you want that is cool You better believe that people dot dot dot and if you feel good in it you look gorgeous in it Get is ready to fight now Kathy's got on her ninja glove. She's ready to fucking smack a motherfucker First off, I thought this was a dude I'm almost positive it was a dude. Yeah, it was a male Dom or something like that, but whatever who cares?
I of course have my steering wheel covered with pink notes Because I had to think of the notes well because I had to think of the opposite because of course It's very easy to just jump on this bandwagon and be like yeah fuck you fuck shame You know being you know that that repressed shameful voice that so many of us have heard that so many of us don't even need a person to hear We have enough shame for ourselves. We tell ourselves all the things we're supposed to be shameful of but there is I think an entire Other side of shame that deserves to be talked about and I have 75 pink posted notes for it So why don't you go ahead and start with your thoughts? Well, you know what coming out of the stuff I just discussed I think you know where I'm gonna go sure the thoughts in your own fucking head We take them in as our own but they come from somewhere boogie They emanate from our childhood from everything that we take in everything that we see even in our pre-adolescence and then our Adolescence and into our teens all that shit comes into your head and it's easy to forget that it came from outside of you at first So the task of sitting there and Unraveling how much are the thoughts that you actually believe how much has been put on you? Is it possible to take that thought and turn it around?
That's like a whole fucking job of yours that you're gonna have your whole life is to try and figure out how much of this is Something that I actually want to keep I do believe that and I think that this thought or this opinion keeps me safe But this other stuff I'm gonna jettison that that I mean It's a it's a lifelong process that you go to kudos to anybody who does it early and can get over that hurdle and doesn't have and that the majority of their adult life is not spent with this kind of fight against the shame in your own head because I actually know some of those people and they're Wonderful to hang around and I always look at them and think I wish I could be that unfortunately I'm not I tackle these hideous shameful feelings all the time in my own hand and I always tell a lot of people but I do So that's basically where I'm coming from to me This has been a lifelong battle and so I know exactly what she means I also know what that feels like that is a wonderful feeling when you first come into the King community you realize There's a bunch of perverts here who I don't have to be ashamed of in front of because they're tackling their own inner shame As well and they've decided to you know band together and come to this party We're gonna take our clothes off and have a good time is that always that great? But that's how we always hope that it's gonna be and then some fucking shit comes like well, you know what? I'm not gonna go down that chart. Yeah, I'm ending my talk right here.
You go ahead Fantastic and of course in all of my guts and from a life of shame and being controlled by my shame and the shame of others and the negative programming I have a lot of there's a lot of reason that the word shame has a lot of negative connotation for a lot of us And I don't want to take that away But what I also want to go into the other kind of spectrum of the word shame and the theory of shame is that it's really the only tool That most people know because sometimes social shaming works Sometimes shame kind of helps you see, you know a negative aspect of yourself that you haven't yet seen you know Like racism or misogyny, you know, if you're a kid, you know Not sharing not being selfish good manners being courteous to others thinking about other people's feelings, you know Sometimes those lessons came with shame, you know, like hey only bad people do these things or whatever Maybe the approach wasn't right, but sometimes the goal of shaming is a righteous Attempt to alter a negative behavior, right? You know and sometimes that public shame works like ghosting people like you're a douchebag if you fucking go somebody Which means you don't call you just stop calling them and you don't explain to them why or you fuck them and you don't call them the next day Or whatever and so the social shaming is you're a douchebag and so maybe some people haven't really Internalized that that's not good and but they don't want to look like a douche So they stop doing the behavior right so in some ways Social pressure and shaming has a desired effect that may Eventually lead you to have a realization about yourself. So it is a tool. It's not the best tool To look down on someone and say this isn't the best tool the best tool would be you know open compassionate Communication and sitting down with somebody and saying hey, this is why ghosting harms people or this is why you know Racism is this and misogyny is this does that make sense?
It does and I want to percent agree with you I will say I mean especially these days the word shame is not a great word and anybody who Employees shame is considered to be an absolutely horrible person, but I don't give a fuck I agree with you in that shame can be a great motivator. Yes, it just shouldn't be the only motivator And it should be a jumping off point. I've found that shame guilt and humiliation in my own life have absolutely Motivated me to get moving it's when I get mired down in it and never get rid of it that I run into big fucking trouble But you're right. I agree with you.
It's a great tool. It's just not the best tool It's not the best tool and and here's the and that's what gets to the thing that I said earlier that I touched on They don't teach compassionate communication in school to kids. They don't keep teach aggressive conflict resolution They don't teach people how to communicate with somebody and to let them know This is a behavior that you want to see in them in a positive way that builds them up You sure don't see this happening a lot at home. I didn't have it at my home.
I don't know if you had it at your home It's not the what what do we learn? What is the only thing that people learn to try to motivate somebody to do something that they think is right shame? That's the only thing so in a sense you at least for me My attempts now are to try to look past the shame that people throw on me and to try to ask myself Is there any legitimacy to what they're poorly saying to me right? Because maybe they don't know how to communicate that well Maybe they have something legitimate maybe my desire to go get fucked by a lot of strangers is Having me go to places that are very dangerous for me And maybe people that are close to me don't know how to sit down and have a conversation with me So instead of you know telling me hey, you know this this you know Maybe you're approaching this in a dangerous way.
They just throw shame and you're just oh this is the bad behavior Right right and I mean I remember when I was who I had to be maybe six years old I was grocery shop at the store with my mom She was grocery shopping and I saw some candy in a bin right in front of me and I I didn't see anything wrong with taking it As far as my little brain was concerned. It was yours It was there I just had to make sure that nobody saw me do because there was a part of me who knew it that knew it was wrong I'd watched my mom and my grandfather long enough to know that you went to a store and you had to pay for what you walked out With and so I put it in my hand and I thought I was so smart that nobody saw me I don't know I can remember the feeling I had was wow that was easy nobody saw me do that And of course my mom saw me do it and after we had paid and she made me go back And she made me give it to the cashier and apologize for having stolen it and that I have never felt that kind of humiliation In my life then I felt that at that point when I was six years old that nothing compares to that And it was a great motivator because I never owe to this day I went to Panda Express the other day because my soul fortune cookies My mom's dad fucking I got to do it better this time No, I went and I placed an a phone order instead of an online order where you pay and the guy behind the register didn't realize That I had done a phone order and I still needed to pay and he handed me my food And I could have just walked out of there and I can't fucking do it There's no way that I can take something that doesn't belong to me And I firmly believe it all comes from that one time that was so humiliating now It would have been absolutely truly horrible if my mom had been a terrible person and then had continued to shame me and make me feel bad She wanted to show me the consequences of my actions We never spoke about it again She was confident that I'd learned my lesson and I learned what happens that my actions are consequences and we moved on that was it So that's an example in my opinion how shame could be a really good thing I wanted that candy dammit And then there's the complete opposite of bookies upbringing where there was lots of physical and verbal abuse around shoplifting So I became a shoplifting addict and I fucking stole alcohol and food and every cuz fuck you All right, I'm a piece of shit then fine. I'll show you what a piece of shit is I'll be talking about that tomorrow in there Maybe not that but we'll be working up to that for sure But one of the things I used to like I used to share especially You know address to like the our younger not our listeners But like teenage kind of that rebellion like early me age when I was really rebellious is don't fuck yourself by telling your parents to fuck off Because the shame that they throw at you over ideas They didn't come up with that idea like don't smoke your parents didn't invent the phrase don't smoke your parents didn't do the scientific research to discover About lung cancer and emphysema and all the problems that come from smoking. They're just parents They're just fucking parents that repeated something But when I was a kid anything that came out of my parents mouth or any authority figure that I didn't like I instantly rebelled and said Well, I'll do the opposite cuz fuck you thus fucking myself Because the idea was good, but it just came from an asshole So now I try to look and find a little bit like what is the underlying?
What is this person trying to say and is there any legitimacy to it because it could be their fear their envy their butt hurt because they're trapped and they can't Do the things that I do so they're gonna throw their shame, you know through it So am I gonna fuck myself by not at least trying to take a look at what they're Accusing it like when people are like, you know, I'm a predator or I'm a bad person or I'm this or I'm that You know my first instinct is to be defensive fuck you, but then there's that part of me That's like I got to look at this and somebody said this So let me look at my behaviors and see are these things and am I okay with who I am or are there things like white privilege What's the perfect example? I had to look and go okay? Yeah, I didn't really think about that But yeah, yeah, that's me sure now what now I got to look at some things Because people threw it out and it was constantly thrown thrown thrown and I had to eventually take a look at that Well, it was a great post and you know what I did look just now and he is a guy undisputable Undisputable penis Undisputable penis with a vagina in tow or unless that's your thing I did have one more point and one more small point and we'll leave it as like a quote Okay, and it's about reverse shaming because just like other people may not have the skills to communicate well with you If you shame a person for shaming you instead of teaching them a better way to express their feelings Then aren't you the same motherfucker is them? Just to assume that they know a better way if you're a so because you if you don't know a better way than going I you know because that's reversible eating that's where for shaming that's it if you're not gonna try to sit down with people and be like Hey, this here's a better way to communicate because the way you just try to communicate is an effective Instead of just going well, you're in a shaming piece of shit.
You're just the same as them That is Quite a mouthful to wrap my mind around I can't really figure that out But it's a good thing to leave us with I just like I think the best thing to leave us with is you wrapping your mouth around something I'm not wrapping my mouth around anything you've gotten that head of yours. Hey, look I am like an olive branch I am holding out creative explorers penis on the edge of it on the edge of a Of a magical giant candy cane and it's just his little dick there and you're poking it and you're like hello creative explorers penis And I'm like oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh don't don't act look at the Santa Claus I am Jesus Christ. It's not even Thanksgiving fucking kill me I'm leaving that in then okay fine Enigma you giant bowl of sex kitten. I'll take it.
Hello Just add some milk to enigma and instant purr for the ladies hello, and you have anything interesting going on in your life Well next week I we're trading places. I'm going back to Texas next week Say hi to the bugs for me. Oh, I well I went so it's funny is now that it's cooling down a lot of those bugs They're dying so you left right when the bugs would all be dying. They're cold frigid deaths.
That's great I'm glad that I I missed that I mean I'll just I'll just have to I'll just have to laugh myself to sleep thinking about their demise God damn it fucking so you're just gonna go visit some family is there a lover out there that you get to play with right now There have been a couple of like tentative conversations, but I don't think there's any play that's gonna happen but yeah, I'm just gonna go back and enjoy family maybe do a couple of photo shoots while I'm in town just kind of Try not to have too much anxiety over the world and I'm just relaxing and joining home eat all the food Well, that sounds like a pleasant trip a goddamn pleasant trip and we wish you the best of luck in finding a vagina to play with But if not we understand but we're getting close on this end enigma. Oh, we are yeah, it's getting close I can feel it I can feel it. I'm losing weight. I'm walking I'm stretching you know You know just you know I'm getting in the zone getting ready getting ready for little little baby boogie to come out That sounded really weird do not refer to your penis as baby.
I will not refer to my penis as baby boogie So enigma we have some interesting conversations springboarding from me being a disturbed pervert Yes to the idea that are you born kinky you brought this up? Can you please explain yourself? Yes, so we were in one of our lovely Fun conversations we were talking about how In like the LGBT scene there's a lot It's pretty much understood that you are born gay you are born trans and you just kind of you grow into the person that you are and We were starting to talk about whether or not People are born kinky because I know a lot of people who they identify as a top they identify as a little and that's something that's a part of who they are as a as a Whole person and a lot of people do believe that they are born kinky and so I put this question out on our Instagram So if you would like to join in on our conversation We'll probably be doing more of these our Instagram is at a bird of podcast and our Twitter is at inverted PCast You'll follow those and you'll be able to join these polls So the question is very simply was do you think people are born kinky? Why or why not?
And the answer is I the few answers that I got was I got yes, I almost feel like it's a kind of a sexual orientation I also feel like it's on a spectrum some but not all folks I have different influences on their kinks through early life and yes I had a lot of urges I didn't understand as a kid too bad I couldn't explore it till my mid 20s, which I feel a little meant for a lot of people Yes, and then it's tricky could be equal nurture nature or media like cartoons are being tied up I know a lot of like growing up I had you know There's a lot of animatiac cartoons that got away with a lot of like sexual and you and you didn't quite understand as a kid But it's definitely something that's like influenced your interests as an adult So yeah, I just thought it was a very interesting conversation I I feel like as I've gotten more into think like there's definitely aspects of it that I was born with I'm not sure if like the enjoyment of beating people up is definitely is necessarily something that I was born with but definitely like the dominant or like submissive nature is like I'm definitely identifies a switch and I feel like that's something that I was if not born with definitely raised with just be being able to kind of roll the punches And still enjoy life if that makes sense. I think it does. I you know, I actually did some actual research I actually got into some studies, you know, what is attraction arousal? What is the physiological?
I mean, I actually did some perverted podcast goddamn homework on this, you know What makes you physiologically? You know same-sex attraction and I pretty much came at least from my point of view as an observer in a reader of a lot of these studies That if you the perverted podcast listener right now are expecting a one-size fits all answer to the question if you are born kinky or not you are seeking a lie You will not receive a straight answer is it nature versus nurture? Is there a genetic propensity towards being one way or the other? It's almost the same is saying that you were genetically born predisposed to liking pineapple on pizza, right?
It's about the same spectrum Is there evidence and because there's still even a spectrum on how gay you were born as to being just the natural curious bisexual nature Or pansexual nature of your normal sexual development So there's still a lot of theory left on that spectrum that there are people who are absolutely born they are Physiologically where they're not it's pheromonely or chemically attracted to the smells aromas Fairnomes of the same sex or not it is a spectrum. It is a concoction of all sorts There's no one thing right they've been because there is proof of this and it's called money If there was one chemical that one person puts out that attracts another person They'd have bottled it and be making billions on it right now and they have tried I bought I remember I bought pheromones once just as a joke that they said I think I've been talked about it on the show where it's like oh this will attract women to your scent And I swear to God it smelled like cat pee and it got me laid none It got me it got me some weird looks when people gave me hugs. They're like huh did you roll around in a litter box? So it but it was really fascinating to see how vast the nature versus nurture in this because like you said some of the people in Instagram We're like oh well, you know We're influenced at an early age by you know when we were kids it was all the you know the tying up the damsel or you know Cowboys and Indians which now is a little politically incorrect Right and there was a lot of tying up people and and that sort of thing so that influenced you as a kid and then you played that with your friends And then some of us the ropes made you feel a little tingly So is that aspect part of it or is it that natural desire for rough sex?
Which is more of the primal side of your brain. So it was really I mean there's a lot you can look up Oh for sure to get more on this but I really started asking myself like what is the motivation? Kind of of this question are you born kinky like some of it I've heard people that you know come from kind of the ego standpoint because they really want that to be their identity So strongly that they want to raise themselves up above other people By being like because you've heard that the douchebag. Oh, I am a natural born dominant I was born a dumb motherfucker when you were three years old your mother swatted your ass and told you where the fuck does it?
You weren't anybody's mother fucking dominant when you were a kid right you grew into that now you may have Genetic propensity towards leadership management skills You may you know you may feel a more Dominant personality and that has to develop on its own but it doesn't mean that you were you know You were destined you know for to be a leatherman, you know Well, yeah, I think what you're tapping on is is pretty I think it's pretty is probably more accurate as like the idea of You're born interested in penis you're born interested in masculine But like how that flows is something that probably comes into the nature versus nurture or like the nature is yes I'm you know, I'm interested to do them interested in women But the nurture is I'm raised to be like oh I see that gay person I see how they act and I really like that and so I'm gonna go that way that that's where it starts Moving away from from your nature and wearing to like something that that you're very much into like I definitely have thinking on like what what kind of spurred kinks that I'm into now There's definitely stuff that happened in my life that I don't think necessarily was part was like triggered by my by my nature, but like definitely it nurtured me into like becoming more interested in Breathblade because that's something that kind of happened at high school in it It's definitely stuck with me until like I started experimenting with kinkin was like oh, oh, right? I really like choking. This is great. I you know it's that sort of thing of You find the puzzle pieces that fit with you and some of those are the things that you're born with and some of those things that you find along the way Yeah, I agree and another thing about the and you and I kind of touched on this when we talked on the phone earlier Is that even in regards to kink being an orientation?
you kind of then have to define what orientation means because One is about your desires for yourself as far as like oh, I am kinky I have these strong tendencies towards dominance or submission or I like these sensations or I really have heavy fantasies towards rough sex And the other is kind of the physiological Whatever you want to call it, Ferminal calling to another person Right does that make sense? So one's like oh, I'm kinky and the other is oh, this is the type of person that I'm attracted to right? Right, so it's kind of two separate things So I don't know the orientation thing seems kind of vague as an answer as an absolute But it could be I mean ultimately yeah, you know who knows maybe they'll find the kinky gene and the the pine which by the way Yes Anything you put on a fucking pizza is okay by me Just watching that I you know people that are like ooh, pina boobs, you know bad I don't give a fuck they showed a banana pizza on Facebook and that shit looked good I said you throw some pineapple on top of that and some dried mango and you got yourself a like Polynesian island pizza And I will fucking eat it right now. It looked good.
I mean people out fuck you I mean as I enjoy pineapple pizza, so I I am all on board with that I'm also from the south where we have a pizza chain called cesars and it's a pizza chain So they don't do it anymore for liability reasons But there was a time that their their whole selling point was you could walk in with anything and they would put it on a pizza You could walk in with a back you could walk in with a bag of Skittles and they would make a peak They would make a Skittles pizza like I can definitely see how the liability and cleanliness hygiene thing like get in the way Reaching in my pocket and I'm pulling out a fucking lint covered, you know caramel pieces right and go and can you make which by the way? I could do a salty caramel pizza. I mean I don't know how that maybe the less tomato sauce Maybe without the tomato sauce, but I could definitely see the meat let's pervert a podcast gmail.com What is the most fucked up pizza recipe you can think of that would probably still taste good? I like it.
I'm gonna I'm gonna draw the line of toothpaste pizza if there's if they're good recipes I can make up I'm sure mint sure you could do a mint pizza, but a toothpaste pizza might uh, yeah You might have to replace things with like tomato sauce with like icing or something, but yeah, then it becomes a cookie a cheese cookie How did we get here? Do we always get here and it's everything's on a spectrum pretty much that's the answer for everything so however you are the last thing I'll say about the kink thing is that Ultimately, some people want to push the board in this way thing so we can get maybe government protection for being kinky and that it can join The ranks of the LGBT as far as not being able to discriminate this and keep our jobs I don't think that's gonna fly for a long time because you're gonna need a lot more research and you're gonna need to find a kink gene and we haven't found it yet Yes, exactly and they're just starting to do more research down this road because for a long time it was taboo for some of these scholarly Schools to actually do research on kink and so there's a couple of research groups that are finally starting to really dig in To the pathology behind why kink happens and what what causes these things so well that is that is one of the I think that's a result of it being Taken out of the DSM-5 the psychological, you know, this is right. These are the pathologies BDSM is no longer considered a pathology And so I think that opened the door for people to be able to study it and maybe even eventually get grants to do more research which would be amazing Right, exactly. Um, I think it's it's kind of like the whole thing of we get it like we're slowly destigmatizing it and making it more Relatable and more and more piecito to interact with and so yeah, I think we're slowly going down the right road Not that I'm not thinking about banana pineapple pizza and just fucking with some sausage on it Just like some extra Crazy fucking pepper then I'm hungry Okay, so Jenny Bean 17 I just realized that rhymes.
I don't know why in my head I wasn't saying it's gonna be in 17 Exactly. She won't do you whoa whoa whoa, but actually It's Jenny Bean 18 legal completely legal no 17 year old fantasies, right? Maybe when she opened that account she was 17, but now she's fully legal and 18 that make me sure that that's just as bad As her being legal, I think 17 is the amount of uh dicks that she has In addition maybe where she lives 17 is of legal age. It's not 18 everywhere, you know See we do have international fans boogie now you are getting us deeper into the accusations against Oh my god, yeah, the one who brought this up.
I just said her name You said Jenny Bean 17 and I was like she's sexy and 17 And then I started going oh like the cars and now never mind. Let's go. Yeah, all right Can we go? Hi boogie.
I had to let you know that I had kinky sexy fun time to perverted podcast My FB told me who is FB is that friends with benefit boyfriend with the hell I'm pretty sure that's friends with benefits because I don't know Unless she's fucking facebook All right My FB told me to tie myself up as much as possible and to gag myself So I created a bit gag from a length of rope and I said about tying each of my legs up And then I realized that the mirror on my cabinet happened to be angled so that I had a full view of my already wet pussy At which point I decided to put on the last section of episode 147 where tiger gets her first girl sex and have a play with myself boogie Of this I blame you entirely. Yes. That was such a good show You were gonna say okay She goes on to say I then heard his car pull up and I realized perverted podcast was still playing as I heard the theme tune play for the next episode So he walks in doesn't say word straps my remaining wrist to the bed post and sets about making me moan and squirm and come When he decides we're done he releases me and as I unwind the blindfold I hear you say and that's our show and I start giggling He looks at me quizzically and I ask had you liked perverted podcast his response? Yeah, it's okay bit distracting at times though weird as background noise for sex Says I don't think he's hooked unlike myself.
I have no idea what happened in episode when 50 But I had a great time please keep doing what you do and hide a caddy and hunger as well. Where where a footnote? Unger not Well, I'm sure what it was tigers frickin lesbian first uh first girl experience That if you're gonna wank off to something it should be to that I think that was an exceptional moment and I just remember how nervous I was I was like more nervous than anyone in the room. Wow I just well because it was like well, that's the first time and she's doing that on the show and we got to create You know, you know, there's a certain amount of non intimacy, you know when we're all like In the corner and shit, right and so I was like, okay, and I talked to everyone and I'm talking to her and I'm like, okay We're gonna try to create this mood and you know, let you have a nice experience while we're still kind of describing it and and uh And then you know, Joe was there and you know, just I remember I was just a nervous wreck.
I'm like, okay, don't fuck this up or This important stuff But I'm glad not only did it work out that now it's working out in perpetuity That's very cool. Yes, because it's always gonna be there someone's always gonna hear that and want to wank off to it All right. I have another one from someone named Jen Lex who wrote and said your podcast has actively replaced my radio I found your awesomeness post-covid-19 and have gone way hell beyond the 50 episode mark I started with the most current and iHeartRadio unfortunately automatically runs them backwards which gets a little confusing sometimes But I work with it yesterday I listened to the last month at the love lab and the preparations for the new living arrangements and the ravioli I'm constantly hearing about this discord thing and how we're supposed to be able to listen in and message with a pb crew and the church of cock With a link on your FET goes to a 404 error within perverted podcast.com I'm going to discord itself. I can't seem to find you.
Please help me find your awesomeness. That was on the website I told the correct links on the website and I checked it and it works. I Went in the FET like a thing. Yes, the link on your FET life goes to the 404 error within the pot perverted podcast.com website I don't know shit.
I month cannot go by without us hearing that someone can't find discord I do not understand how such a popular thing can be so difficult to find Because it's discord Kathy. You don't know you don't know discord. You don't know them youngins It's like I remember like the first time I really understood holy fuck. I am now an old generation Was my buddy the webmaster.
It was like 20 years ago. My buddy was a webmaster He was doing you know webmastering one of my sites and he had a three-year-old kid And he's all yeah, look he can do photoshop now He he knows about layers and and here, you know, and then he turns like four and he's like oh, yeah, I taught him some basic html four four Four I thought it was cool that I could pee on bushes at four. That's literally that's what I did At four. I remember the family.
I'm like look I'm peeing on this bird of paradise and everyone's like that's great. You go boogie This kid's fucking programming html Photoshop we we have been we have been left Kathy This is where get off my lawn comes in that that you know the human mind is way more adaptive And if you're set into a good environment for that and discord is not that because I look at it like fucking That we come to the end of show 285 you guys are amazing and we love you for tuning in every week without you Well boogie and I would still be recording because we like the sound of our own voices So but drop us a line at the report cast at gmail.com because we went look we get lonely when we don't hear from you guys And as always swing by patreon.com for such a rare podcast and consider becoming a tree of the arts. Take us out, buddy God damn it. Thank you so much headly for being a part of this fiasco and sponsoring these shows Thank you so much to all the people they contribute to this show with their questions and everything it is so awesome And once again, sorry, no, well, not once again, I'm actually saying this for the first time at the end of the show Sorry, I know I told you joe was gonna be on but we had you know a nigma's thing and the thing and then the fucking thing And then you know, I mean jesus christ cathees fucking segment we were supposed to do for like the last four weeks got bumped again So we got show and Next week I swear to god we're doing that fucking segment.
Oh, all right So for the rest of you just keep us just keep us alive with your love and that's the best we can do together Love you guys. See you next week Here we go one two three four Can you help me find up cure for all the stupid people this shit is quite insane Like a virus they keep home reading little stupid people with retard dm a Cake and circus hypnotizes suckers by the toys and lies keep electing douchebags that just help us jack our own erections Can you help me find up cure for all the stupid people they pray to fairy tale gods They say the lord loves all the little children while kids are starving everywhere bitch that logic is It's not a sucker I'm not a sucker. I'm not a sucker for commercials. I had shows on big titty girl.
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