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This is your host, Tom, a robot. I'm here with Lotus, and Lotus, we had kind of a schedule thing last week. So you and I weren't here on our normal Thursday night to record this. So here we are on a Monday.
Well, we didn't want to skip a show. It was just kind of unavoidable Thursday, so I guess you get two shows this week? Yeah, so we're going to be doing now. We'll be back two days.
And what we're talking about tonight is Daggerfall. We already went through Arena. We talked about the main quest line and all the main steps of the quest and all of that. And we are jumping into Daggerfall.
This game was released only two years after Arena. It was in modern terms that's unthinkable to have like AAA game only two years after the original release. Well, especially with the scope of these games at the time, it is wild as a concept. It's like, oh, this is...
Arena is such a huge, huge game that was blowing everybody's minds. And it's like, and here's Daggerfall, the biggest game that's ever been created. Right. And it's like, oh, okay, okay then.
And to my own day, I believe it's still the sixth biggest game that's ever been created by by literal surface area. Right. Like Miles and Miles of Landmass. Yeah, Miles and Miles.
That includes like, No Man's Sky. That includes like, Eve Online and stuff like that. I believe it's like number six or something overall. That's so crazy.
But it was a huge stepping stone in the development of the Elders' roles in so many different ways. The introduction of really solidifying the Daedric Princes and what's going on with that. A bunch of the different guilds like the Dark Brotherhood and the Fighters Guild and the Mages Guild and all these organizations and people and places and things that show up in the rest of the series or get referenced in the rest of the series or in, we've mentioned this before. In the ESO, they get brought back as new dungeons or plot points or organizations that kind of reemerge in the lore.
There's so much there. Also sort of where in the first one, one of the things that I said quite frequently was like, you can see the bones of the series kind of like there, but they haven't really formed. This is where you're going to start seeing a lot of things that become the Elders' goals that everybody knows about. It's the Elders' goals to Daggerfall that kind of starts really forming those things and putting stuff on it.
So it's like, oh, you know, there are Daedric Princes, just that simple concept becomes more of a thing now. And, you know, we get more to it and it's less theoretical stuff and more like, okay, this is the world we're starting to recognize. You'll recognize more in Daggerfall than you would in Arena. Right, right.
So for this series, to start this off, we're going to go through the main quest line, just like we did with Arena. And this might take a few more episodes. We divided Arena up into just a few episodes. This might take a few more episodes to get through that.
But then there's a whole bunch of other stuff that we can continue to talk about. And we're going to cover basically everything you would want to know about Daggerfall without having to get it working on your PC or whatever and then dealing with the difficulty curve and the... You're trying to tell me everybody does love DOSBox. Yeah, all of that stuff.
And there's different ways. And harder ways to get around all that. But we're not going to address that. But here, let's get into the main quest line because this game starts in a freaking dungeon.
And I know you've played through most of the game at this point, Lotus. I've tried attempted to get into this game. Even the first dungeon is deadly difficult. Yes.
So this one's... It's a little more... I don't know. This one seems a little more difficult for most people.
Even like, as notorious as the first dungeon, Arena is Daggerfall's first dungeon or technically first cave because it's a shipwreck that you start with. Yeah. Privatier's hold is what it's called. Yeah.
It's one of the things that want you dead. That's his most locations in this game. As for most locations in the game, yes. And the thing about this is what quickly becomes apparent compared to even Arena is the maps...
Now, these ones are designed in a certain way, which will make more sense in a minute. But like, the main quests you will get a direction to. This is crafted. It's like you would expect from Skyrim.
We design these dungeons. It's like more when we design these dungeons, you go through them. A lot of things are procedurally generated in Daggerfall, which is why it becomes so difficult to navigate and the map does not help because it's not a 3D lane thing. This place is huge, like right out the gate.
Every dungeon in this is... Even the dungeons in Arena were just way bigger than what we expect in modern games. Yes. And Daggerfall kind of takes us to like a new level.
So much so that one of the Daggerfall Unity mods is basically just shrinking the dungeons because it solidifies them because they're so massive and complicated and there's looping paths and stuff. You just get... It looks like spaghetti. Like when you look at the 3D maps.
You get very easy to get lost. Or to feel like I should have come across something by now. And then... Right.
And that is very much right out the gate with privateers hold. You get that. It's just like, here you go. We're just dropped in and here's things trying to kill you.
You figure it out. Yeah. So we're going to be pulling stuff from the UESP articles on this because they summarize so much of this. But of course, as we usually do, we're going to add in extra stuff as we go along.
And I've got a lot of really cool things that we can quote from the game. Actual sections in the text like we did with Arena or some of the letters that you get and these kinds of things. And it's always so fun to go back and see what the actual words said. So, Privetiers hold starts off when it says this.
You wake up and look around the room. Some hours ago you were in a boat en route to Daggerfall when a storm of supernatural strength boiled over the Iliac Bay like a malfic creature. Okay. Immediately.
This is like, okay, this is a fantasy ass fantasy game. Yeah. It's flowery speech galore. Right.
Right. And this isn't the first time that we've seen supernatural storms. This is a running thing in the lore. This is something that they even pulled into ESO.
So, this is the origin of that in the series as far as I know. It goes on and says your boat was destroyed. Excuse me, your boat was destroyed but you managed to swim through the churning water to a Promontory rock there you found a cave and escaped the fury of the storm You had only just lit a small fire when a mudslide sealed you within your fear of being buried alive Calms when you saw the corridor leading to the cavern perhaps there is a way out of this cave after all once free of the cave You can begin the Emperor's quest. So before you even get to the main quest line.
This is basically the tutorial section You just have to simply escape a cave that's all it's that easy right and we should kind of mention that you are Not a prisoner in this no, which is which is a change from like most of the series Honestly in this one you well, you're not exactly the right handman of the Emperor, but you're pretty Close to the Emperor. I guess I would just say an important person Yeah, and you've got a message that you want to deliver but that damn really over the top Now what kind of Malthick No, I don't think I've ever used that word nor will I have a Malphic like a malphic creature. Yeah, so but yeah, but the dungeon is not easy. You have to learn how to even swing your weapon You have to realize that your health is the wrong color.
Yes, your health is green your stamina is red It's backwards compared to the rest of the rest. I mean, it's not right. Yeah, I don't like that It's scruded me for a long time. Yeah, yeah, that part's a little bit weird the monsters you fight in the dungeon are Terrifyingly difficult.
There's no easy way to heal depending on the character class you picked you are some of them are just even harder than others and Yeah, simple things like bats like can definitely give you a solid run for your money at the start of this game Right, and if you get out of the cave, then hopefully you've at least leveled up once and you escape out into a wilderness and there's no telling you where to go Yeah, one thing about this other than this is another game where you do not have quest markers We had mentioned that several times throughout the arena questline. There are no quest markers You do have your little crappy journal that will look like a journey a little bit But this game is also a bit level locked as well. So until you hit certain level thresholds It won't even prompt you to get the thing you need to progress right like so for this point in order to get into the main You actually have to wait one to two weeks According to the way yes, it's like it's time-gated So they expect you to wander around the wilderness find some towns do some other stuff level up a little bit Maybe run into some other dungeons and then all of a sudden you get a letter and it says deer and then it inserts your players And we need a player's name. What is our players name?
Well, we could use my or we should not use my About Fred dear Fred I heard about your accident at sea and feared the worst now that I've heard you're alive And well, I would like the opportunity to meet with you and discuss our beloved emperor's mission to the Iliak Bay Allow me to introduce myself. I am lady Magnuson the emperor's agents in the court of Daggerfall My position is not so official as an ambassador none But other agents of the emperor know of my true affiliation the Iliak Bay is rife with rebels against the imperial throne So your discretion is required for the purpose of our meeting. I will take a room at an inn and it just fills it in This is another one of the random things right like it feels such a weird feature It's like a random town and a random tavern in that town and some towns have multiple taverns of Daggerfall for a month after that I will no longer be available I will expect you as soon as possible. You're sincerely Brissiana.
Lady Morgan Morgan. Listen Morgan listen, okay. Yeah There's a little to unpack here So you need to go meet with her to find out the direction and what the emperor sent you like how you need to progress with figuring out This information that the emperor has kind of vaguely given you at the start of the game in this really sweet FMV that you could totally watch like Yeah, wherever but on that aside The feeling in the random town like it puts in your name like okay, that's a neat touch into that in arena Everything including quest parts can have procedural generation to them including where you're being sent for these things and correct me if I'm wrong It can send you across like huge swaths of the map. Yeah, no enormous swaths of area that you need to traverse It's not like it's one of the three closest towns Right, and like I said a lot of the dungeons are procedurally generated as well privateers hold is handcrafted So there is technically a way out of that convoluted mess And it is kind of funny to look up the direct path because it makes it seem way simpler than it really is other ones It's just procedural nightmare These quests can be a procedural nightmare as well But I ran into several times because sometimes it is hard to figure out what the name of these places actually is like one of them Was called like I don't know like the green will call it the green brier brewery I don't know if that was I don't think that was the exact name that I ran into on my playthrough thinking But what for the sake of argument the green brier brewery that is not a brewery that is the name of a town Perfect name for a town.
I like I'm using it all more than once I was like I can't find this building It's like no, that's the town you're looking for I'm like Oh dear god, because then you could also find something that could be a brewery called the green brier brewery And it could be a place in a different town the Red Dragons brewery in the green brier brewery Cool, all right, so yeah, so there's a lot of stuff that will be unique to just your game They really did make it so that this is your experience when you play through it, right? Right, so once you finally find that town you find the inn you find lady Brissiana and she says oh, thank you for responding to my letter. What was it Fred? Was it the character?
Fred Fred I am lady Brissiana. Let me bring you to date on affairs the specter of King Lysandus haunts the streets of Daggerfall at night Okay, let's go to this ghost to haunting the town We need help trying to communicate with him his futile. He will occasionally moan at the word Vengeance, but that is the only coherent word I have ever heard him utter if you are ever in Daggerfall Do not wonder the city of night. You are certain to be attacked by his legion of ghosts It would probably be more gainful to investigate those who might have wrong bliss and is to find the cause behind his torment I do not know if your royal family in Daggerfall or another person or persons merit more suspicion the major powers of the bay sentinel wayrest and Daggerfall maybe good places to start here's what's going on.
There's ghosts in town and maybe just go visit some of these other Yes, I don't know get some information for the emperor and deliver something, but actually first there's this right So the vengeance thing is really funny Because it's literally just a sound clip that you'll disappear veg Totally not unnerving at all the note about her vaguely threatening to leave in a month by the way, that's real she'll leave if you don't like She'll get pissed off and like leave. Yeah, which is weird because she's expecting to be like these 90s RPGs were time-gated This happens in the early follow games too like you have a certain amount of things and then it's just with her before she totally just is done with you But yeah, when we do make reference to the time on things They're not not a fork like in Skyrim you can go off and do whatever you want in whatever you want This game like if you miss your window of opportunity, they might not be willing to work with you anymore So that's just something I feel is worth noting that they're serious in Daggerfall. Yeah, so cool So cool so then she briefs you on the letter the emperor's letter she says yes in the matter of the letter the emperor's agency It says that he was unable to hand deliver it to the queen because of the war he hired a courier who supposedly delivered the letter instead We do not even know the name of this courier Why not? Obviously there is little information of use but it would be worthwhile to see whether the letter arrived at Daggerfall Castle at all How you decide to do this is entirely your decision.
I will contact you if any new information should surface I am leaving Daggerfall soon my position has here There's a typo and all the typos are still there will be plenty has been compromised and my life is in danger Do not mention my name in court. It is more likely to hurt than help good luck and watch your back Fred So then we get a lot more medieval name Fredius or something like that Fredius. That sounds very Latin perfect all right Fredius Fredius Maximus All right, so you can delay the meeting and then she sends you other letters and it's like hey I'm not gonna stick around away for you You better come meet me and then eventually you have to meet her in order to continue the main quest or you just don't do the main quest Because you can spend the whole game doing other stuff if you wanted but you're a lot of people do like they just live Their virtual life doing other things right right so okay, so from there you Receive a letter for from Princess Morgana. This is the this is the next guy a more guy a more guy a princess more guy I send you the first message Right so you get this message from her and she she says dear Fredius Maximus My eyes and ears are abroad say that you are interested in the fate of a certain letter any emperor should not be so careless nor Should a queen you really should come visit me and castle way rest I have some interesting tidbits that I am sure you would enjoy hearing more guy a princess of way rest and way rest Are the locations that was mentioned in the previous conversation?
So now a lot of the big locations that you know in the series now You're gonna start hearing as kind of commonplace in this game. This is where a more solid map gets kind of designed Right and so now we have some clarity on like okay Let's go to way rest because that's what continues the quest line right right so you travel there and you go speak to more guy And she says you're trying to track down that letter of the emperors. Yes There are very few scandals in the Bay of which I am totally ignorant I could she's better here than everything else. I could give you some information, but nothing is without a price that I know well I need a champion who does fear I think it's supposed to be does not fear the fire of oblivion are you entries interested and then you agree or you disagree and just like You can also know you just be like nope.
I'm out. No, I do I do fear the fires of a blip. I'm out so If you do agree then I guess you state in oath and you do there's like an oath he state and then it says that is a relief to me She says that is a relief to me Do not ask any questions get this letter to a certain high level sorcerer at the necromancer's crypt scourge Barrow in the dragon tail mountains Avoid the rift if you see it you've gone too far Which is basically the game's way of saying like head in this direction But this is how you know you missed your where you're going Right, which is good because they didn't lie to you like they do it in the Elder Scrolls three more Wind which we'll get into when we cover that game. Yeah, but I mean This game doesn't require fast travel, but it requires fast travel a lot of the time So you can walk there, but it's like walking there in real life.
Yeah. Yeah, so it will take you hours To get there like you're traversing huge portions of the world and it's all like there So you kind of just go to the world map and type in your directions So like her telling you you went too far if you did this is like if I went too far I probably died of thirst and hunger because I have been out here for weeks in real time Right, right. That's the this is a I've got a new workout plan for everybody You get a stand-up desk and you put a treadmill under it and then you walk to every location that you're going to every time No, no one will make it. No one will make it days walking on your treadmill.
No listeners left after this Well, she continues talking. This is where we get into the whole like necromancer undead portion of things Yep, she says you got a name that you recognize very soon. Yeah, this part This stuff's pretty cool. They said she says they will not be expecting you and you will not wait for any introduction So the necromancers feel that death is a reward for the living not a punishment.
I love that once you have delivered the letter They would feel no need to guarantee your safety. It is their way I need the letter delivered and a response from King of worms not the king of worms king of worms It's King of worms in my hand one month from now at the absolute latest the risks are very high Fretius maximus, please do not fail So King of worms gets brought up But this idea that like we may do justify the reason why even after you're doing this thing and you seem to be Friendly with this group. They're still just gonna Attach you in the AI when you're leaving the dungeon. They're not trying to kill you right like they're just gonna still attack you so Right, it's also funny because they take you coming in and then they take you going out and it's like Great.
Yeah, so she tells you you have to return a month and then there's another time over there You got 30 days and you got to deliver this letter and the letter says King of worms I agree to your terms I I will give you your first and you will exert your influence the firstborn child. Yeah, like that's what this is where they go with this In your influence on the king of first hold on Somerset aisle for your influence on the king of first hold in some Only you can let him speak with his dead son for that you would even he would even marry no faga Who is no faga? Don't worry about that You wouldn't know yet, but it's the mother of the late king like sandus of dagger fall and there's a whole thing So that's a letter you have to deliver to the king of worms and then you you travel there, right? And then you enter this looks like a fortress and you go through another spaghetti maze.
Yes That's that's actually pretty good synopsis about one thing that's kind of interesting is some of the stuff We just gave you by like reading the note type of deal the game like I actually almost missed that luckily chat pointed out the fact that you can click on it They're interacting the logics like you know any piece of paper whatever none of the stories will verbally told you like from that note You never need to read it. You can just walk there and hand him a note having no idea what it says Which is like if you're if you're role-playing realistic thing, and so it's a little over this letter There's no expectation that you're gonna read the letter that you just read it like it's not for you So it's kind of neat that like if you want the full story you actually need to go and work at getting the full story It's not going to just give it to you right so you work your way through another dungeon But a bunch of undead things right and then you get to the throne room like or at least let the main room I guess it's sort of like a throne room where you talk to the king of worms and you get another letter and there's there's these Sexy undead ladies and bikinis. Yeah, there's sexy strippers everywhere just vampin out It's pretty weird. I will say looks totally awesome in this game.
He's got like the red hood. Yeah, he's super evil looking Yeah, yeah, so so you approach and give him the letter and he's he'll read it And then he says very good if you are not awarded with death by the loyal servants of the barrow give this note to princess Morgan Please Don't kill you and give you a reward then she's the thing though like which is just so funny to think about just as a concept like okay They give it a brief like oh, you know, I it's a reward for the living if you were to be murdered whatever So how she gonna get this note that you're sending back if you die What's he just gonna staple it to his own? Oh, no, no, no he would resurrect you and then send you there So I'll give you and send your house to go right here if you're alive or not I retract my objection That's it yep. Nope never mind.
I you got it actually. I'm totally good at that explanation Yeah, so he's got it worked out either way. They really never mind. Yeah, I retract that objection right right so And here's what the letter says if you decide to read it.
He's a man of few words. It says princess done king of worms That's it love it. That's it so you take her the letter and She responds it's done. I'll be queen of first hold although.
I'm sure the engagement will be quite lengthy now I promise you information about the emperor's letter the letter you seek is in the hands of gortwag the warlock of the orcs What a wonderful name gortwag great cute. He bought it from the thieves guild of dagger fall After one of their numbers stole it from queen obber he That is well, yeah, if hers. I got no good way of saying that name a burky I used to call her a team, but I got nothing with that I know I at least have heard enough that I knew that one I don't know anybody can correct me if they have heard that pronounce that one does not sound something like I've heard pronounced I don't think I've ever seen a word with a B and a K right next to each other like that It's a ub K dash I totally to pronounce that every month. Yeah, and then she goes on says I confess I don't know why the emperor sent it to upperc a The girl is innocent to a fault and everyone knows that gortwag is not the loyal emperor Empire toady that lisidis lis was so many weird names.
Of course my own family names are very overwhelming Well enough of this boring court gossip if you really want to find this letter you should get in good with minisera That sounds good to me. Yeah, minisera miniser miniser minisera something like that the former queen of dagger fall and queen mother to gore Thrid I wouldn't directly approach her start with someone of lower station. Don't go talk to her just find somebody else Yeah, talk to somebody that knows her yeah, and then you get like a random item reward. So yeah, yeah usually they're bad Yeah, so time passes and then you get a letter on morgas engagement and it says king ed weir And queen baron zia people I mean definitely recommend or recommend recommend Spicy sovereigns of the kingdom of way rest are proud to announce the engagement of morgaya princess of way rest to corudil King of first hold in the aisle of Somerset and then this part of the story is wrapped up So that's the first few sections and it's it is a mess of names.
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That's great. So yeah, your zombie mail arrives You killed the zombie and then you notice that scrawled on the zombies flesh is a letter addressed to you Fredacus Maximus It says Fredacus Maximus It would be an honor to have you visit me in my demands at your convenience I have a small matter that you are ideally suited for as always my servants will test your metal like they're still gonna attack you no matter What they're still gonna be messing you up This is still like life and death stuff, but I want you to visit feel free to dispense of them They can always be raised again the king of worms master of scourge barrow He's such a character in this. It's so funny. Yeah, I Really I wish min Mark a little more mana mark a week these days because he was a lunatic of escape Yeah, yeah, this is really good So you go to scourge barrow you fight through this obvious again, and then you meet him again, and he says Fredacus Maximus I am so glad you answered my letter I hope my messenger was gentle you have been a loyal servant in the past not as loyal as my living dead But far more versatile my need involves the lowest depths of castle sentinel you might recognize that and the reward is knowledge that only the dead Can provide are you willing and of course you can accept her decline if you accept you said he says how amusing?
I am looking for the answer to a question it doesn't exist among the living but may exist among the dead I want you to bring me back the ghost of Prince Corollus the great grandfather of the king Cameron of sentinel Corollus was a sorcerer of no means skill he is now a litch deep in the bowels of the castle I am giving you a special scarab if you are close to him when you destroy his physical body his soul will be trapped in the Scarab bring it back to me, and I will tell you a tale few mortals have heard and so basically he's like go kill a litch trap its soul and Your reward is a story I'm gonna tell you a story I tell you a story also Litches are wildly overpowered so the fact that they want like they give you this as an option to do next is Ridiculous yeah, it's like 15 levels above your I don't know what it actually was but it destroyed me for like a half an hour on Street and try to kill this thing yeah, this whole thing is so ridiculous though zombies keep attacking you and Like you go out of your way just to be like if this didn't exist in a video game If you put this in a movie or a TV show people be like what is the motivation? Are you doing all of this what is going on so do you remember this dungeon Lotus? I do it's another spaghetti mess I mean these ones are at least structured spaghetti messes Because they're required for you to go into it type of thing, but that doesn't really make it better But yeah, this this one is just another I Actually looking back through it. It's kind of funny.
It's wow. This is actually even knowing the directions So this makes my head hurt a whole way there's a lot of twists and turns yeah There's a lot of twists and turns even if you just follow the like go this way go this way go this way there's a lot Yeah, that's a big one yikes. Okay. Well, that's a note also I love the gift of the glitch at the bottom with the quest target.
He's very happy Yeah, so I don't have it up on the screen for people watching the live But imagine a skeleton wearing an armor and like a red cape with a staff and he looks very happy. He's very happy skeleton I was gonna mention him I was gonna say what did you think about him when you had to fight him other than kick your butt a lot It literally destroyed me like it is so completely out of your quest like range I think that at this point like what what it seemed to be from people who have joined on my streams of this or who have watched Like my play through on YouTube and stuff like that a lot of the thing is this game kind of expects you to putts around doing other things Well, if you like you mentioned if you actually spent the time to travel from one location to the other without fast-doggling Then you might very well be well above this level. Yes, and run into all the way trying to go straight at it It's a mess because this thing it's like when I thought this thing I think I was level five and I'm pretty sure this thing is level like 15 or something like that on like a scale of 20 So I was just I was completely outclass It does you can't kind of get directed sort of blow itself up because it does splash damage with its magic I think that's mostly how I wore it down just walking it into a doorframe You just she's that yeah, well something I guess just worth noting is Arena is the only one well we were on the second game arena We had ages straightforward like XP for killing the thing Daggerfall has introduced the system we are all used to with the elders goals using a skill levels up your skill There are major skills and minor skills which people in Skyrim might not know about but You don't just kill enemies to level up in this game You have to do lots of stuff to level up and by leveling up a certain amount of skills It allows you to level up so leveling is slow and that's just it It's like this is a quest that it seems almost like they give it to you But then at the same time almost don't expect you to go right off and do it because this one also if I'm not Remembering incorrectly and I'll see you don't need there is no timer on this quest Yeah, I don't think so the other thing that we mentioned is how expensive we did mention how expensive the world is But we didn't mention how expansive the towns are necessarily so if you are Traveling to some of these locations and previous steps in the quest so you get to place like way restor or any of those towns that were mentioned And you're just putzing around like they said looking for stuff You're going to find buildings upon buildings like you walk into a town in a modern elders goals game even ESO and it's fairly manageable in size You can run through the town fairly quickly you get a general sense of like oh, this is where the shops are This is where the castle is this is where some of the people live. That's it But in these games, it's like there's multiple taverns.
There's yeah, there could be upwards of like a hundred buildings in one of these towns Right, which is like they're designed to like the joke with white run is it's the biggest like it's the central Hub or with the like old tower type of thing It's like in the Imperial city all these things are supposed to be central subs and everybody's like nine There's like nine houses and five shops, right? 20 people who live here this game It's like no 700 people live here and it's there instead. It's like oh dear God. Yeah Yeah, and on top of that you might run into a guild quest or something else along the way because you're just poking in and just like Anybody with playing these games you're like okay.
Well, what's this building? What's this what is the sign on this building mean? Who is this person walking around and you're just gonna talk to people and go around? So it seems very reasonable that if you're just kind of adventuring through the world that you probably would have gotten lost on some sort of side path somewhere in some town or village that you didn't intend to go to halfway across the map fought through another dungeon or 10 And then finally get to the stage of the quest line right and and the other thing is there There's a lot of times when your point of multiple versions of something like that You know you can actually barter with different merchants because they show my like Right like you can have like options in the dialogue with just individual people for stuff that you wouldn't expect in modern games right exactly Yeah, yeah, it's pretty crazy So you work your way through this dungeon and you capture the licious soul in the scarab and you bring it back to the king of worms And then you have this conversation where he says well done for his maximus I am sure the prince will be most cooperative.
Please accept this magical item Randomize certain magic in certain mandent magical item as a token of my appreciation So you get more than just a story, but he didn't tell you that to begin with he probably should have led with I'll give you some Legendary magical item if you do this that might be worth your time It's a token of appreciation in addition I have decided that it is time for someone outside of type of septums line to know the truth about the underking and This ties closely to some of the stuff we were talking about with type of septum a few episodes go remember that Yep, he says as you know type of septum was the first emperor of Tamriel not exactly true the first of his line of emperors Close enough toward the end of his wars of conquest He betrayed his battle major zirin arctus when zirin died his soul refused to leave his body something to do with a mysterious new medium Whoa, they're pulling in all sorts of stuff here. This is like this is like key elder scrolls territory like across the board Tiber septum zirin arctus the new medium and then he goes on and says since that time zirin arctus has lived on as the underking Dun dun dun so according to the king of worms we later find out is many Marco Zirin arctus and the underking are the same person At least in this version of the story yes The underking and his agents have been a thorn in my side for centuries It's can you imagine like next romance or litch? There's like the battle of these people who love undead things just like you're stepping on my territory Get out of my undead space Oh, all right. I thought that was like the prequel to dead space the Unded space should be called in the day Then he goes out of says just remember should the underking regain his mortal body He would surely throw all of Tamriel into conflict and then you get like bonus I this is another thing we didn't mention you get reputation in this with yes I suppose that is somewhat worth noting is you cannot be friend to everybody in this game This is kind of a thing that they've ditched in the series where you kind of you can be the leader of everything all at once even When they're kind of conflicting with each other This game by doing like all of the things all of the factions kind of are at odds with each other or some of the political parties and stuff like that So if you do something to gain favor with one person It could very likely have an adverse effect against someone who Doesing along with that person that guilt has a problem with them or you if you do something for one person that like requires You to add on a steal something from a major guild or whatever The major is not gonna just be like oh well I guess that's fine.
He was doing the quest for Manamarko or whatever Right, it's like no you stole from us like what you can't do that so like yes So interesting dynamic with this game and on top of that It's not just the groups you would expect to have reputation like right the mages guild the fighters guild or you know The maybe this region or this race or something like that It's like like so far going through these quests you could either gain or lose reputation with lady Brissiana Wayrest Princess Morgaya Associated factions which is its own faction the king of worms Those are the ones that are tied into certain ones so like if you if you piss off way rest enough Then it counts as an a star kind of really like you so it's like it's like it's it's an added extra Increase or decrease that's what they mean by something It's if you have any you know dagger fall enthusiast you could let me know if I'm a little off on that because I'm not gonna lie to you At one point I was not allowed legally Wearrest because of I'm a say I wonder if that's like a secondary mechanism on this of like there's an extra bonus or decrease To anything that this would have been associated with Right, right? It's something along those lines But like I said there was a point where if I walked to the gates of wayrest all you heard a stop Stop and just like guards right at me Oh, god, oh god, whoops. Yeah, so also the King of Worms has own reputation and the necromancers as a group Yep, they're two distinct things and because the King of Worms is an micromancer team the necromancer King of worms in the necromancers. It's a it's like a 60s band.
It was when they started the end of the 60s where things got real trippy and weird Alright, yeah, you know what I'm gonna love that too. Sure King of Worms and necromancers. That's gonna be my new menu act I should I should start a band call that that that's great. It'll be a metal group for sure.
Okay But it only plays dual metal. Yeah, just go go go go go Club clug clug. Yeah, that's every song so that finishes the the quest line with the the lich the soul of a lich questline and That's gonna do it for this episode we've got a number of other quests to get through still there are once a little counter 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-10-1-11-12 more that was just the first Mm-4 to 16 quests in the main questline Which feels pretty standard like this feels like one of those standard things like going through oblivion or Skyrim They tend to have about that number of mean quests, right But it's also like these quests what one not having markers slows you down. Yeah It's totally different.
It does. The dungeon traversal is just on another level in this game. Unless you know how to streamline getting to where you're going and then you're going to sort of be under leveled type of deal, that's going to be rough. And on top of that, there are kind of like we mentioned, essentially, time gates at points, where it's like, or in some cases, not even time gate, it's like, well, you're not a high enough level.
You literally just are, I ran into that, we'll get into it next show, but I ran into that problem, because I don't know what to do. And it's because I wasn't high enough level to figure out, like, I never found the next person because they were like, oh, you essentially, you're not really, you kind of suck. You come back if you suck less. And I'm like, what that?
I'm pretty sure this is who I need to talk to. This is where all directions kind of lead me. Why won't this person talk to me? And when I hit level seven, all of a sudden it was like, oh, you got a letter from this kid and I'm like, you kidding me?
Because it was level lock. And I was like, oh God. You're still using iron weapons. Well, I don't talk to you.
You can use iron dagger. Wait until you equip some glass weapons there. You've even heard of those. Except that you need for glass weapon.
So those things make the game feel much longer. As I guess, in many cases, they literally almost like, it sounds derogatory, but they artificially pad out the length of the game. Whereas in Oblivion or Skyrim, you can head at it if you want. Yeah.
Yeah. And speedrunners old knock out one of those games in less than an hour at this point. I wonder if it also gives people more of a reason to experience the rest of the game. Like maybe they knew some people would want to main line stuff and they're like, but there's all this other content.
Sure. Like go do some other stuff first. I'll probably ruin this quote. The comment Todd Howard made when it came to Starfield about not having maps because he mentioned if the game has maps for towns, it shows you meaningfully.
Right. I mean, I'm sorry. Yeah. It gives you like you're just you're focusing on a mini map.
You're not looking at your surroundings. You're not taking in what's there. And you're just going from point A to point B. I feel like this was one of the game mechanics trying to dissuade you from doing that too in like a broader sense.
It's like, well, okay, if we do this, they're probably more likely to go around doing something else and they'll live in these other things and they'll get immersed in this world, which is cool and on. I get the logic to it, but it's a little weird when you're trying to efficiently do something or in my case where I'm like, okay, well, I'm trying to actually piece together this quest and it's like 19 hours has gone by and I was like, what was I doing? Right. I'm not at this point.
What's true? Well, you're expected to keep an actual physical journal next to you and right. Yes. Because the in game journal is just mean.
It's just it's mean to you. It doesn't help at all. Yep. Yep.
So that's the beginning of Daggerfall, the main quest line. I hope you enjoyed it. Look at that. And if you want to go check out, go check out Lotus's videos.
Like you can watch him stumble around and try to figure out this stuff. Yeah. So I'm going to go to Daggerfall. I'm right at the end.
I actually, hopefully going to be completing it very soon, especially due to the requests for me finishing up the end. And the fact that we're now doing podcast about it. I should probably try to stay slightly ahead of it. But yeah, during my playthrough, I don't look anything up in advance, which that this game is hard to figure out when you play it like you would have when it came out.
But I did also try my best to edit them correctly minimal. I like just letting it be the let's play, but I try to keep them to more watchable like you're watching like a TV show as opposed to some of the original things. I like an episode could be five hours long. I'm like, well, a lot of people were fine with that because they just pick up what they left off.
But they don't need like half hour of room. No, like where do I go next? Yeah, like you're watching like a little mini series type of thing. And so if that's something you're interested in seeing how this plays out, feel free to check out my YouTube.
It's just Lotus to do. Yeah. Yeah. And you can check out Tails Tamriel.
Yeah. Well, we're gale people with my stories of it. It's not PG. Oh man.
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Yeah, the numbers of like the Fallout work has topped all the ranking lists for not just video games, but like leisure. And it's ridiculous. We've got more downloads than like critical role, for example. Yeah.
Which is insane. That's just wild. That's wild. Yeah.
I will say, you know, I think that's a pretty good indication. Elder Scrolls show and or movie Bethesda. Yeah. People like the stuff.
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Yeah. And then we get residual interest. Let's share our ridiculousness with everybody. Yeah.
We'll be back in just a few days because we got another episode due later this week. And we hope you have a wonderful next few days and we'll continue the story then. So until then stay safe. And you know, if you come across a necromancer who's like, um, I was here to attack you anyway, maybe there's life decisions you should be thinking about twice.
I don't know. Also here seen with clutch random page. Oh, random page. Almost seems like a running gag.
It's a running it is a getting it every time. All right. So here's the random page. I just clicked it.
This is from Elder Scrolls Online. The Dreadsdale Swashbuckler are maimur pirates of the Dreadsales who can be found across high isle and aminos. These are just kind of generic enemies. You come across.
They're in the dungeon trial in the surrounding zone area. Yeah. So yeah, there's not a whole lot of data you could talk about. Like they have thirty one thousand three hundred and sixty four health, which isn't that much.
Okay. How do you calculate this? I don't know. We need to have one of the game designers because why not just thirty one thousand three hundred?
Why the sixty four? Like at what point? Like I'm sure there's an equation somewhere, right where somebody's like, well, is this plus this minus this and then it gets this number and then we're just going to get this type of enemy. It's got to be something like that.
But yeah, I I I seriously need more moumur. Yeah. And then there's also the Dred Swell Swashbuckler, the one at Dred Sale Reef, which are stronger, considerably stronger because that's because those ones are the ones from the trial. Yeah.
So the easy ones like the easy overland quest ones, thirty one thousand three hundred sixty four health, the trial ones, one million five hundred and four thousand three hundred and five. Yeah. Fight them on the boats. They get a lot harder even on like any of the difficulties are going to have a lot more health because it's a group rate essentially.
Right. So there's like they save all their tanky ones for the important moments, I guess. Yes. And the rest of them are just sickly and malnourished.
These are like the baby ones. They're like you're untested. Get out there and fight. And they're like, but I have, but I have disease and they're like, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter. All right. Thanks for being here, everybody. We'll be back soon in just a few more days.
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