295. Emily Harris and Dr Martin Lorenz - Conversational design, the anti-brief and systemic change

Dr Martin Lorenz (LI) and Emily Harris (LI) came by the podcast. We spoke about their project the Anti-Brief and their reimagining of the design profession: from a profession of knowing to one of discovery. Inviting learning and conversation to its very center. This is a conversation about deep codes, conversational design and an invitation towards a different posture. Martin and Emily are currently launching a new master with Elisava - that also shows up in the conversation. This is an introduction to a different way of thinking about transdisciplinarity beyond mere interdisciplinary. We also speak of the generative move between theory (the meta) and that materiality and much more related to the practice of systems change. Life ennobling design. Enjoy!