296 Ballence The Brat

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Check out check out check out awesome. Weee. I just heard that in my head right now. Oh really?

This is what I'm going to ask you for something. That's what I heard. It is because you've already asked me for something. Yes.

That's what I think when you start doing anything nice for me. I'm like, oh fuck. What does he want now? It's all manipulation.

Boogie's a manipulator. But everyone's an manipulator. What the hell is an manipulator? You take the nip between your teeth.

And you nibble on it. Oh wow. It's almost 300 shows. And here we are.

Manipulation, grooming, dirty filthy sex that I didn't have any this week. And Kathy, a show. The following show is for mature audiences only. Listener discretion is advised.

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The show where we explore the adventures of the kinky lifestyle, sex, and the human mind. Recording live on this cold and blustery January evening. I'm Kathy. I am Kaniy.

It's called a blustery. Because you got that from Winnie the Poobitch. What? I do not have Winnie the Poobooks and stuff on my shelf.

Yes you do. What? Blustery has never been used in humanity other than Blustery Day. Like who?

It's Happy Wednesday, Al. What are you going to do? You say that next? Don't be ripping off.

I am a bear, a very little brain. That's all I could come up with. Okay wait, you ready for this? Well, it's not much of a tale but I've grown kind of attached to it.

You know what's funny though is that I'm the nihilist. I probably should be Eor. I don't know where this big storm is. Like literally Sandra from Tranny's and Troubles.

Like hey there's a big storm coming in. I want to make sure you're okay. And the cashier, the trader chose where I got my peanut butter pretzels. It was like hey, it'll be storm coming in at three o'clock.

All these people are like storm, storm, storm. And it's like it's five hours after the storm was supposed to come in and I'm like, uh, hello? Uh huh. Storm, it's not happening.

But I am in the car and there's a drizzle. Well. I mean there's like a drizzle of like, you know, like a hundredth of an inch precipitation, which in Los Angeles is typhoon end of the world type stuff. It absolutely is.

It totally is. I'm all bundled up. I'm ready for the storm and we're going to just record this show in a hurricane in Los Angeles. Remind me, you know what I forgot?

Like two weeks in a row. What? Captain Awesome. Our friend from Gotham Press podcast in Bakersfield had me on their show like two weeks ago and I was going to talk about it and plug them because they're awesome.

I love him. He's just such a cool guy. And he's like, hey, come on my show and I'm like, great. So it was so much fun to just kind of, they gave me some notes ahead.

This is what we're going to talk about. And it was so nice to just kind of jump in and babble. I don't know if it's posted, but this Gotham Press podcast and they're really nice people and they have a lot of fun. So it was fun to be with them.

I'm going to throw a shout out to them. Any vagina pounding for you this week, Kathy? Well, there was vagina pounding. Amen.

Amen. The Church of Cog is in session. The Church of Cog was housed in your temple. Oh, that's so cheesy.

Oh, the temple of Kathy's crotch. I had a good time and I don't know how to say this. I'm going to say it. It's a good thing, but I can understand how some people would say it doesn't sound good.

Okay. You ready? I am now ready. I have no idea.

Because it's not about sex. Oh, really? Yeah, it's about me creative exploring. All right.

Oh, okay. Let me tuck my dick back in my fucking pants. Just fold that dick up and stuff it back in there, man. Roll it up with a clothes pin on the end because I'm old and my balls hang.

You don't want that shit hanging down into your pant leg. No, it's not. It feels sticky on my leg around my kneecap. Oh, okay.

So tell me. All right. So not hearing from him Monday through Friday is a really good thing. It's making my enjoyment of my relationship a lot more fun.

You know, we've talked about this on the show a lot, how you need to have your own space. You need to keep your distance in order to maintain healthy relationship. You have to know where you want to be close and where you want to back off. And this is one of those things that's difficult in a relationship to pull off because it's very easy for the other person to get offended.

I can understand that. But this is working out really, really well. I get to the weekend and I'm just raring to go and I'm having a good time and yes, master, and I'll do anything you want. Let me suck your dick.

Yes, I'll do it. It's great, boogie. I love it and I'm going to say that it's it's it's having my balance back that's doing it. You are a vag jubinated.

My dad is jubinated. You are a jubing of that. Okay, that word is not as good as vagison. Just vag jubinated.

We threw it out there. Some people were like, why don't you make up words anymore? Well, apparently this is why because I'm an idiot and I just don't have the skill I had four years ago when I came up with vagison, which is the view of the body as you're going down on a woman looking up the vagison. I hate to say this boogie, but age does play a role here.

You and I are both getting on in years. We're getting a little rickety. The mind's starting to go. The eyes are starting to go.

It's it's not pretty. But, Jason, I don't even have a taco. What? See, your mind's starting to go.

Don't cry. Groove and noob is. We've been there. We're here for you.

Well, Kathy, let's get into this topic because I don't want to be stuck in the storm. The storm that's that's now barely sprinkling on your windshield. Is that the storm? It's not.

It's dry. That's always the case in LA. The storm warnings come in. We all brace for it and nothing happens.

And then the next headline after nothing happens and all the hype is town spared from killer storm. That was the movie. All right. We got an email from Heather who wrote to us about some issues she's having.

She says, my sir and I have been together for about two years. It started only as a DS relationship grew into a regular relationship and we now live together. In those two years, we have really gone downhill and neither one of us know what to do. We are both noobies in the land of kink and are both in our first DS relationship.

It started great and strong. Then at about six months, we became a normal standard couple and his being a Dom to me sort of slacked off. There has been no DS for at least a year and we are just sinking. I don't know how to push my sir in the direction of not letting me say no.

I'm a pretty big brat. I will argue and not do stuff. When in the past, I used to just toe the line. I know I have crossed this line, but my sir doesn't seem to realize I need to be reigned in.

I feel if I have to tell him over and over again, it kind of loses its appeal. It seems like I need to turn into the Dom and I have no desire at all to do that. I just want him to take fucking charge and be the Dom I fell in love with, not the unsure sub he seems to have turned into. Ouch!

That's so painful. What in the world? Now then, I hope he doesn't hear this. I addressed this email.

This email came in like a month ago. More than that. And you know me. I know you.

You can't keep your hands off of our email. You go in there and you answer it right away. I don't understand you. And you know what, Kathy?

I'm glad I did because I don't know if you read the subsequent emails. I did. But I addressed what I felt was the issue. I suggested it.

I did it in the nicest way possible. And then she was like, you know, okay, maybe I'll take a look at it. Like two weeks later, get an email. You were right.

This turned into this and now we're working on it. And so I'll share what I say. And I don't know what I'm saying. I had anything brilliant to say, but it doesn't take a genius seeing as you just read this to see some potential problems like I saw in the email.

It doesn't take a genius to see some glaring, glaring problems that it might be. And I just said those. I was much nicer in the email. But reading this today, getting ready for the segment, I got really angry at this email.

And then I had to pull myself back and go, this is what the new is. Everybody has entitled to their feelings. But when I responded to her, I responded with a couple of different things. But the main thing that just smacked me in the face, just like it smacked you in the face is, you know, for a submissive, you come off real pushy and condescending.

And how is that going to motivate me to be your dominant? Like if you make me feel constantly like I'm not good enough and I'm not living up to your expectations as a submissive, like at some point, you're just going to be like, fuck off. There's a point where brat is no longer fun and cute. And it goes back to what a brat originally meant, which was a selfish child.

And I'm not denying someone feels starved or they're frustrated. And I said, I hope this isn't how you talk to him because if it is, there's your problem. And she's like, no, I was blown off steam or whatever. But it doesn't really matter if you have that much resentment to where you're emasculating, you're dominant and calling them an unsure sub.

And like that, I can see that shit in your eyes. I can see that I am not good enough for you. And if you're a brat on top of that after a while, it's not cute anymore. And so I'm just going to give up and I'm going to be like, whatever, I'm not going to make her happy, no matter what I do.

And so that was literally glaring. Now, then it might be the normal, like we talk about the ebb and flow of a relationship. And sometimes it's hot and sometimes it's not. You work through it or whatever that maybe he is exploring his submissive side.

And there's no shame in that. You can't just because you're not getting what you want. I understand that that's frustrating. But you can't turn around and shame someone if they're like, I don't want to be a dominant, I actually feel like I'm going to transition into a switche or a submissive.

And that is their journey that they're allowed to have. What wasn't in this conversation was anything that talked about his feelings, talked about what he might be going through and talked about how they were communicating to find out what those feelings were. Well, yeah, there was part of the email that I didn't put in here where she says we keep getting told communicating is the solution. But how do you communicate when you're new and you don't know what the answer is?

And I have to say that I understand your anger with this and your frustration when you're hearing something like this. And it basically amounts to someone emasculating their partner because they're talking down to him like that. But I have to say from my point of view that this is your classic bog standard newbie conundrum. How do you express your wants and needs if you are the submissive?

So and especially if you're new to the community, if you're new to kink, as she says, we're both new to the kink. Now the first time it happens, you don't even, I mean, this is what I've experienced with friends of mine, with people in the community who I've listened to and we've discussed this, they don't even know how to behave because you're submissive. You read everything you need to read, you learn everything you need to learn, you try and be a good submissive to your dominant. And all of a sudden this thing pops up that you want, that you don't think is going well, that you would prefer if it went in this direction, that you think this is the reason it's happening.

All you, you, you, and you don't know how to communicate that because nobody teaches us submissive how to be assertive, how to get their needs met. And so it is a massive conundrum. How do you do this? How do you tell someone I want you to do this?

It's tough. It is not an easy thing to communicate, particularly if you're a brat because one of your ways of doing things is there's a essence of manipulation in being a brat. I mean, frankly, I believe that manipulation is a part of almost any kind of communication. But particularly if you're a brat in a DS, in a power exchange, if your partner's okay with it and you're not behaving like a total asshole, that's one of the ways that you get what you want is you communicate through signs and your DOM gets to know that when you're behaving badly, that means you need to be taken down a notch or two.

As we've discussed in the past, not for everybody, that style of communicating is not great for everybody, so I get it. But I don't blame her for having these problems. And I certainly absolutely do not blame her for feeling frustrated and angry and thinking, I just want him to fucking take charge because let's face it, if you're submissive and you'll get into a relationship with your dominant, that's what you want from him. Yeah.

And it's not fair that it's not fair that you're now put in the position where you have to tell him how to DOM. Now, having said that, I know how it's going to sound to a lot of people, but I have found myself in this position before and it is insanely frustrating because you don't know how to get out of it, but your anger and your frustration is real and you feel your hands tied at every turn. I can't tell him to do this because that's not my role. I can't demand it because that's not my role.

I'm new to this. I don't know how to communicate with my DOM and you find yourself, well, I'm just going to write to perverted podcast and tell them that I want my DOM to take charge and not to be a sub. And you're like, well, that's the best I can do right now. So there's my two cents boogie.

I am not arguing at all with the valid frustration. And once again, how I approached her as a newbie is different from how I'm sharing this on the show. So I'm sharing my frustration with being treated like that because it's not. And once again, there's a lot of definitions to submissive.

There's a lot of it. But in general, the idea is that if you are saying I'm interested in submitting to a dominant, then isn't there some concern for what the dominant might need or might be going through? And this isn't even DOM sub. This is any relationship.

Now I can understand your noon. You don't know the dynamics of DOM sub and 24 hour exchange and that type of stuff. And in any relationship, if your entire point of view is, what do I get and why are they doing this for me? Me, me, me, me, me, me.

Are you really even in a relationship? Does that other person matter? Just ask them, what are you going through? What are you feeling right now?

Is there something wrong with your job? Is there something wrong with your family? Is there something that is what is going on with you? Because that is a direct source to finding out why your needs aren't being met.

So when you talk about communication and you don't have those skills, I understand because I didn't have skills and we had to learn those skills. But now I am telling the perverted podcast audience. What's order of business? What's going on with your partner?

We talked about it last week. Why are all three of your partners not wanting to fuck you now? The answer is with the other person. So that is where you go first.

There is nothing wrong with sharing your feelings. There's nothing wrong with sharing your honest feelings that I'm frustrated and I don't know how to address this. That is something that you can do with, hopefully you can do that with your partner. Hopefully you have a partner that you can say like we say on the show all the time, this is going to be messy, but I don't know what I need to do to inspire you so you can inspire me.

Yeah. You're right. We discussed all that stuff, that communication skills are necessary. But unfortunately, if you're, I don't know how well these people are, it sounds to me like they may be a bit younger.

And also if you're new to the community, as they are, if you're new to the S and the power exchange, you don't always have those skills in real life. And then when you find yourself in a dynamic like that, it's even harder to do. So yeah, that's a, it's a very steep learning curve. But one that you can bring your other life skills into address.

Sometimes I think that people who are in a dynamic like that think that, oh, no, no, I'm a submissive. I'm not supposed to do stuff like that. You know, but you have to find a way and I guarantee that in other areas of your life, you have that skill. You have it when you speak to your parents, when you speak to the siblings, when you speak to your boss or your coworkers, you have found a way in other areas of life to do it.

And for me, I've had the same issue, even though Creative Explorer and I do not have a very extreme power exchange, I find it hard to discuss some things with them because I have to be in a headspace. There's some issues, but when he and I talk, I have to be in a very assertive, independent headspace to discuss. And I found in my own head ways of dealing with that. As you say, we have certain words that trigger in each of us that understanding that we're about to have this type of conversation where we both need to be on our toes here.

So there's way, there are ways of doing it. I, I'm glad that you, I did notice that by the way, that when you write in emails, you are a lot more logical and kind. Well, these are two different characters. The personality that I shared with her in the email was personal because I knew there were feelings.

I assumed she was ranting in the email and not directing to him. So I want, I hopefully the listeners understand my aggression is about my feelings. These are my feelings that when I'm confronted with this and a partner won't communicate with me or they won't consider my feelings because I put in a lot of effort to consider their feelings. I put in a lot of, let's talk about this and I've been like this for years and years and years.

So it's very frustrating to be with a partner. Now then, once again, male, female, I don't know, obviously, you know, the numbers are worse for females as far as being able to communicate with men and feeling like they can't say something in this sort of dynamic that I understand that. But ultimately, if you're going to be with somebody, you need to be with somebody who you can be honest with and you can get messy with. Otherwise I don't, I don't see you ever really having a great relationship.

I could not agree with you more. If you cannot communicate these things, why are you even in a relationship? There's so much in life that, in so many other areas in life where you're not allowed to communicate your needs, that shouldn't be one of them. Absolutely.

So excellent, excellent email. I'm very, very grateful that she wrote because that takes a lot of guts to put that down on paper knowing people are going to read it on the air. They said communication was the number one way. They weren't lying.

Now you just need to learn how to communicate. So hopefully all is well-again, well-earned. Ish. I love the ish.

Love to reach our letters. Pump it, Nudders, down. We're going to reach our letters. I'm above that mailbox.

I don't hate, well, okay. I hate everybody. I don't hate, well, okay. I hate everybody.

Yeah, you do. Come on. We don't hate. Fuck them.

Everyone just kneel and suck my goddamn dick. Unroll it. Hang on a second. Let me get the clothespin.

I don't know. My hands are so moist from this giant fucking storm. Come on. Coming out of the storm, boogie.

I can't. I can't. I'm stuck out here. Like my windshield, like if I was driving is almost, Kathy, the rain is so torrential.

My windshield is almost at the point to where I would use my temporary windshield wipers. You know the one that just does one every minute. Right. Yeah.

So fucking Poseidon adventure coming down the line here. Oh my God. I don't know how these people are outside going into Starbucks to get their coffee. Get inside.

Put on a life jacket. Save yourselves. Oh my God. Those people did not give me a good look.

I just want you to know. I tried to save their life. They told me just, yeah, there's whole group of people coming out and I yelled at them and they just looked at me like. Other parts of the country are like, do you pay people from Los Angeles?

I could have saved their life. I swear to God, I would laugh if all of a sudden they drove out and there was like some mystical like trench that's like 20 feet deep of water and they all hit it and drown. Oh my God. That's evil.

So dry. This perverted podcast email is from Sissy Millie. Sissy Millie. Happy be crew.

I just wanted to say thank you. Today on my way home, you shamed me into not making a bad choice. Yikes. As we all know, 2020 sucked alligator balls and admittedly it was very hard on my liver.

As I found myself drinking more and more heavily as the year went on to cope with the stress from work home and the lack of kink to the point where I felt it was getting addicting. On January 1st, I decided, fuck it. I'm going to give up drinking for a month to prove myself I'm not an alcoholic. Well, fuck.

This was a bit harder than I expected. Apparently, I'm a bit of an alcoholic because I still found myself craving that nightcap afterward to relax and unwind. As I'm leaving work, I'm thinking to myself, you know, fuck it. It's the 15th.

Made it halfway through the month. I'm having a drink when I get home. But no, I turn on the peepee podcast on my way home and this catty chick starts talking about her food addiction and have some asshole left chocolate at work and how she just knew she was going to take some, but she called her sister for support. Well, Kathy, you're unknowingly my support tonight.

As soon as I heard that story I told myself, what the fuck are you doing, you idiot? You're stronger than this. So instead of pouring myself a stiff cocktail, I'm writing to my favorite crazy people that live in my radio. Thanks again for all you guys do and good luck making it to the 300th show, sincerely one of the crazy discord kids.

Yay. Oh, I just love Millie. Can I just say that? I love Sizzie Millie.

That is one of the sweetest letters and I'm so glad that any of my crazy was able to help you even in the smallest way. I'm excited about that. And once again, because that is what support is and it can come from many, many different things. Whether you, I'm not, I can't speculate on someone's whether they're an actual alcoholic or they're just trying to get through a hard time where they're kind of programmed to seek that vice more than is healthy for them.

So I'm not going to make a, you know, any speculation on that. It's your own that you got to figure that out on your own. But I know that for me as alcoholic drug addicts that the more pieces of support I have, the more of those Kathy sister moments, the more of those ability to go to a meeting, which now you do online on zoom meetings and hear other people talk about positive stuff and how they avoid their, their negative vices, the more you have, that's just more ammunition. And I think it's super valuable that we can be here and be a little bit of ammunition and not just for not doing your vices, but we're like a support for communication and other things that kind of help people get through the day.

Well, that was simply lovely. That do we have time for one more? I have a tiny, a small one that's a lot of fun to read. It's perverted mailbox festival today.

Melissa wrote to us and she said, my Dom is currently deployed overseas and I'm looking for ideas I could use to fill a care package for him. I'd like to do a kink box, but it needs to be everyday items that could be pervertibles for discretion purposes. So far I have salami whips and I plan on making a batch of pussy cookies. Yes.

So I can't help with anything else I can put in the care package. You know, I had to look up what a salami whip is. It's stinky. I guess you could take a salami whip and really say, you know what I was thinking of?

Is the licorice whips, those really thin, thin, thin licorice whips that come in just a bundle, really long stuff? Because you could use those as bondage. Sure. Whereas you can swing a salami whip, you couldn't tie it in a knot, but one of those licorice whips you could absolutely tie in a lot and then you'll bite your way, you eat your way out of it.

That is the win. Perdichament bondage solution. A-O-K. Here's the question.

I have that kind of confuses me about this. The dawn is overseas. I'm assuming military and probably in a place where it has to be discreet because they have a lot of strict rules about what you can send to your partner. So is she just sending kinky inspiration, like just to remind him of what's at home or is it he going to be doing some kink out there or?

I think it's just a reminder. You can heal, know that these were pussy cookies, but he can also eat them. He can. He can also salami against his leg, but he can also eat it.

Right. I can imagine if he's a submissive and he's taking that whip when he's in the middle of the desert and he whips at his cock and he just starts whipping it with salami whips. And his sergeant walks in. He's all soldier.

At ease. No ease. As you were. And just like walks out of the tent.

He goes, you know what? War is hell. War is hell. And you got to do what you got to do to get through a day.

No. I've seen things I never thought. I've seen things I never thought. I've seen things I never thought.

I've seen things I've seen things I've seen things. I walked in and that private was whipping his dick with a fucking slim gym salami. I said to him, son, you know you can eat those preferably not after you whip your dick with them, but I'm not going to judge because it's a crazy world. I'm having trouble figuring out what else you could say.

Well, I was like, you could send him the, you know, the, the parts for a fife. And then he puts it to get, you know what? If he is right. What in the world?

A fife is like a self made vagina that you masturbate with. Oh, yes. So, so like you take a, you take a hand towel and then you roll it up and you, but you roll up a surgical glove in it at the edge. So you roll it up and then you, at the last couple of rolls, you put it over like a balloon over the edge and then you put lube in it and then you squeeze it and then you fuck yourself and it feels like a pussy or you could put it in between two mattresses and fuck it or, you know, you do it with balloons.

Dr. Doe had an episode on how to make fife's and literally she, there was like 30 different types of fife's you could make. So you could technically just send in the pieces. Here's some gloves and, and some hand lotion or, you know, you know, whatever you can get away with sending.

Oh, yeah, that would be good because then she could send the parts like you say that are needed a picture of herself and say, Hey buddy, go take this, prop up the picture of me, put this baby on your cock and pretend you're fucking me. Yeah. I like it. See what we did there.

I see what we did. I see what we did. I see. I see.

I see. I see. All right. Well Melissa, if you hear this, I really hope you'll write us again and tell us how it went and what other cool things you're able to put in there.

That's really nice thing to do by the way. Oh, here's the here's those gloves for your dry hands. Here's that notion, honey. There's that notion for your dry hands.

Oops. I got too much on my hand. Where else can I rub this? Where else can I rub this excess?

I see. I see. I see. I see.

I see. I see. I see. I see.

I see. I see. I see. I see.

I see. I see. I see. I see.

I see. I see. I see. I see.

Boy. You're fucking a salami. Chicken fuck. Oh, you know what?

Tool dip. Tool dip. Yes, you could send tool dip to him and the guys in the platoon would be like, you got some cool dip. Some tool dip from your old lady.

That's so nice. Only he would not be using it for tools. He'd be like putting it on himself like liquid latex. What?

You can't send a chemical overseas. Why not? It's tool dip. You can't.

What? He's going to stick his dick into a tip and be like, look, it's like a handle for a set of pliers. Exactly. Anyone want to give a squeeze?

Use my tool? Sometimes love is less than nice. You may need some fucking advice right now. What now?

Why did I get all 20 there? Well, no. There's a song, what I can invite us. What do you want to do?

How you doing, pretty much. How you doing, pretty much. How you doing, pretty much a little red out here, little bit of peanut butter and a sandwich. I heard that.

He was into hair. That's why she spiked her hair up so big. That's why you have a big target. I guess that was a thing.

He jacked off in girls' hairs because he didn't want to fuck him. He had intimacy mama issues. You never know if it's true or not. He might be a little quirky there.

A little mama, a little mama, a little squirtzmajiz. I'm going to give you a little aquanette there. Aquanette, I remember that. That's how old I am.

That's why we're all getting sunburn now. That's it depleted 80% of the 80s hairspray. Aquanette era, literally. 60s and 70s is what did it.

Oh, was it Aquanette in the 60s? I thought it was the 80s. No. That's true.

Everything was like, yeah, yeah, whatever. Fucking killers of the ozone. All right. So Shayla wrote to us with a one sentence question.

She says, can you explain dark age play and dark pet play with specific examples? Damn, she's not asking for a lot. She wants specific examples. Dear hustler.

Dear penthouse. Dear penthouse. Can you give examples? So gross.

It's like when you know you're talking to someone masturbating on the phone because they only speak in one syllable. Yeah, you've done it. You've done it. I've done it.

I've done it. I've done it. I've done it. I've done it.

I've done it. I've done it. I've done it a bit listening to it. Have you?

And you knew they were jerking off and not saying it. Every guy is different. It's not just completely nonverbal and some can have a full on conversation while they're doing it. Yeah, no.

No, I was never that good at it. I was like solo syllable. And then all of a sudden I'm like, oh, yes, I love that video game. I was like, oh, my God.

Well, this is not the definition of dark age play and dark pet play is when you sexualize both of those plays because you would not have sex with an actual child and you are not supposed to have sex with animals. Therefore, if it is dark, you are role playing with a consenting adult. If it is done correctly, you are role playing scenarios where you're doing littles play or some sort of age player, age regression, and you are including sexual aspects into that role play. And if you are doing pet play with somebody and you are doing role plays where there are sexual activities involved, now that is considered dark pet play.

That's a simplistic answer, but one that is just filled with all kinds of issues that can arise. Again, I'm going to say my experience within the community, even within the community, there seems to be a very definitive line drawn between the two. So much so that as an example, you Boogie and Fauna and Abyss used to run the LA Littles group, which you had created an environment where you specifically restricted sexuality. You didn't want anything in there so that the people who wanted to play with their inner child and let their little out and sing Disney songs and color with crayons in their coloring book could do that without the people that they considered discussing, leering old men coming in to watch them with sex in their eyes, making them massively uncomfortable.

Now, contrasted with that, of course, is another group in our community in which sexuality was allowed and the people who wanted that. That's ladies and lars who is going to be on the show. Yeah, it's been on the show. Yeah.

And that is the social of age player soap and they do allow sexual contact at their part. So there's room for both. Yeah, there's room for both, but there does seem to be, even I've noticed, a strong prejudice one against the other. There are those who stay very firmly in one camp and those who stay very firmly in the other.

They don't think that the two should meet, which I always found unusual that within the community, there are prejudices even in there where dark age playing dark pet play by some are considered to be, you've gone too far. Well, I think it makes sense when you're dealing with your own insecurities about taboos. And even though we understand intellectually after being in the lifestyle for a while and having all these discussions and seeing classes and hearing the debates and the prejudices, we can intellectualize this is consensual. Because our adults, you should be allowed to have your fantasy time as long as you're responsible and you negotiate and you talk about your triggers and you have a plan of action.

If something gets weird, we understand all that, but there is still that program, that social programming that having sex with children and animals is a very bad thing. And so when you walk that line in a fantasy role play, then people, they don't want to get that social backlash for saying, yeah, go ahead and do it. It's hot. I mean, exactly.

We had someone who wrote in with that same problem, who she, her friend of hers, who is kink friendly and knows her case, fine with all of that, but then if she heard Little's play, she freaked the fuck out. Right. You guys are sick of those. Yes, exactly.

So I get it. And that's why the word dark comes from because the two, the sex is absolutely the thing you're not supposed to involve yourself in when it comes to pets or children. And here you are doing it. So the average person has a, average person who's not kinky has a huge difficulty in accepting that because they simply cannot, they don't, they cannot understand.

And they, even if you would explain it to them, they would not believe you that in your mind. There is a very thick line between what you're fantasizing about and what you would actually do. And it's difficult, like I say, for the average person to believe that, to believe that there is a line so strong and so big that you would never dream of bringing into reality the thing that you're fantasizing about or even that's why I mean, that goes the same with most edge plays and where you're doing interrogation scenes, you're doing rape role play, you're, you know, some people are into race play. There's a lot of different things that would be socially taboo.

And there's just a part of it that's hot to fuck with. I can't explain it. I can't, you know, I don't know what part of my medulla oblongata is, you know, is firing on from my lizard brain, but there's certain things when things are wrong. It's like jokes, you know, shitty fucked up jokes.

They just crack me up because it's like that is so fucked up. It makes me laugh. So there's a part of my brain that likes horrible fucked up shit for whatever reason. And as long as we are making sure that outside of my brain, I am including the thoughts, feelings, and best interests of my partners, then I'm okay with that.

And my partners are okay with that. Yeah. And if other people don't understand that, then they don't have to partake in those things. And if they want me to explain that and we have a discussion like this on the show, then I think there's a potential that people will at least understand a little bit.

That's very true. Yeah, you're absolutely right. But there's, there is definitely a reason why even in the King community, we will keep to ourselves a lot because we know people don't understand us. Even within that environment, there are people who insulate themselves even further because they know that that any kind of dark age player, dark play is just something that most human beings can't wrap their minds around.

And I get it. And you're right, Boogie. I mean, if a non-kinky person was watching someone do cutting scenes because they liked it with a big knife. Blow their mind, freak them out.

The first thing they would, yeah, they would think, well, if you're going to do that to that person, it's a hop skip and a jump to just doing it to someone non-consensual. If you're getting off doing that, you're going to get off doing it out in the streets and they simply cannot understand that line that we draw in our minds where we simply won't go there. And it's not a line that, this is a part where I'm just going to say me, it's not a line that I have to work at. Right.

At all. You let me play with a little, and this little and I had a consensual relationship and it went into dark age play because we started involving sexuality. There is not even one part of my brain that would also think that it's exciting or sexually arousing to think of an underage child in the same way. For me, the adult body of whoever I'm playing with is a huge part of the arousal.

Right. Not an underage body. So for me, it's not even something I have to work at. It just does not happen.

I will say, however, there are other kinks I have that I will never tell anybody about fantasies that do not have anything to do with it. The line is not definitive. And I would never tell people about that because they stay strictly in my head. Right.

Not going to tell you about it. I'm all, you know, once you've put milk in your ass and let a giraffe tongue it out, I guess that's, you know, come up with this job, you crazy messy. You would be amazed who told me about that one. It's like a thing like, I guess in Africa where they have giraffes that they give people honey milk enemas and then the giraffe tongues the ass.

There's a visual. No, I don't know if I am, but it's a, it's a source that you would be very surprised. I'm not going to say who they are in case they didn't want that information that they knew of this. I don't think they would want that information out either.

But you're saying, I don't think they did it. I think they just knew people that this was a thing, which, you know, I don't know if I agree with that because that's a, if you're a giraffe and you're like, holy shit, there's going to be some, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Honey milk dispenser.

Wait a minute. Lift that sheet. Oh, God damn it. I'm licking some guys ass.

I'm licking some guys ass. I want my agent. I was told this was a straight, straight. Where's my assistant?

Tom, get over here. Tom. Who put this guy's asshole here for me to lick? This is a combination.

I'm not working here anymore. I said ho ho ho. I'm out. Giraffe out.

I don't need to close out this show. No, no, we just need to just keep going. Let the train. The train has left the racks.

The cars are individually jacknifing on themselves and spinning over with bodies flipping out and flying around. There's no flames shooting out. The fuel from the train is engulfing it in a giant tornado of fire. People are screaming.

That's what this show is, Kathy. Just a train wreck that just keeps on wrecking like a black hole of train wreck. I love it. But no, really.

Dark thoughts. Yeah. Dark thoughts. Thanks, Shailah, for bringing that up.

Yeah, because I have all sorts of other stuff to say and I'm just not going to. Let's not. Okay, that was good. Tool dip.

Tool dip for your whip. It's a market like that. All right. 296 is the show we just did.

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Take us out, boogie. Well, thank you so much, Kathy, for your delightful poem as usual. So witty and so oh my god, there's like a lust of wind. Oh my god.

No. Oh my god. It's just a leaf fell. A leaf fell, Kathy.

I am terrified. What? I'm terrified. I should drive to an open space and sit on the roof of my car and wait for a helicopter rescue.

Thank you. Thank you to our glorious. This is my last time to talk to you, Kathy. I'm obviously going to die out here.

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I love you all. If I were to podcast, it's been an honor to Sarcad. I have to be a little dramatic on the drowning. I can't just drown.

The flood has overtaken you. Okay. Back to scene in three, two, one. Goodbye.

Goodbye. Goodbye. Tell me. I love her.

And I already died. Shut up. I'm dying. Tell buddy that she's got a great ass.

I think Bunny knows. Oh my god. The death rattle. All right already.

Stick your toe in the grave already. We'll see you guys next week. Bye.