2x03 Shogun

Straight out of the timeline and right into your ears. I'm Bell. I'm Kyle and I'm Will. And this is Legends TV Talk.

Bellas, crossover time. How you doing? Wow. Unprecedented four episodes of all, well, I guess 3.2 episodes.

I'm going to cross over this. How y'all doing? I'm good. That's a good show.

Yeah, well, we got a lot to cover because we're going to have to talk about all the shows, obviously. There's no way to be kind of like. Spoiler, spoiler, spoiler. Yeah, so maybe I hadn't seen any of the other episodes or you know, you have a watch episode.

Yeah, this is going to be super short, spoiler. We're going to go into a lot of different things that happen on the other episodes, primarily Flash and Arrow, because Supergirl had the same two minutes that was in the Flash episode. So we're not really going to talk about that. But yeah, so we got a lot to cover.

So why don't we just go ahead and just step into a history lesson. All right, season two, episode seven, Invasion, directed by Gregory Smith and Story by Greg Berlanti. So Will, why don't you tell us what happened to this tremendous crossover episode? Why absolutely, Bell.

This is the climatic final episode of their Heroes V Aliens crossover, featuring the legends, along with Supergirl and most of teams Flash and Arrow. After learning the Dominators planned for the world, the legends must work together with the Flash, Supergirl, and Green Arrow to kill them once and for all. Meanwhile, Stein figures out with the help of others how the team can terminate the Dominators, but is distracted by the aberration he realizes he created in 1987. Dun, dun, dun, dun.

Interesting. Yeah. So yes, this was the culminating episode of the Heroes versus Aliens four night crossover event on the season. Everybody keeps making this mistake.

If you look at the logo, it's Heroes V Aliens, because apparently Warner Brothers has taken a copyright on V. You know what? I didn't even notice that. Like, I didn't notice it either.

That's serious. Go look at any of the logos, guys. Is that like because Batman V Superman? I have to think that's what that was.

That's a living thing. I'm like, wow. So they're just going to throw V on everything that they can. Yeah, it's going to be Arrow V, you know, Terminator.

Arrow, Supergirl V. Yeah. It is totally, that's what they did. Heroes V Aliens.

Well, there wasn't any rain in this episode. So I mean, it could be too related to Zack Snyder. No. I mean, could you kind of rain for it to properly be Zack Snyder direction?

There was rain at the very end. Was this? Yes. In the bar.

Well, outside the bar. Right when they were at the star lab slash hall of justice, that was storming when the president was making a picture. Maybe that was an homage. Maybe I'm looking way too deeply into this.

Yeah, it's possible. But I mean, the heroes V, the really aliens, I just thought was like, come on, guys. Come on, really. Yeah, but they always said heroes versus aliens.

I know they did, but every logo said heroes V aliens. Like there was no S. I was like, wow. Jeez.

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So yeah, so this was the last episode. If you guys recall, on the episode of Arrow, our heroes were kidnapped by aliens, aka the dominators. And they were placed into a crazy memory chamber thing, which made me think of the whole Batman story arc. Like the Batman of what is it?

The persona that Batman created in his head to help him in case he ever got mind controlled. Oh. Where's the crazy purple? Is there an arc?

Is there an arc? Yeah, or something? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not sure.

So I was kind of hoping that Oliver would have, because he's basically Batman. That's what he is. I was hoping that he had, there was going to be some flashback to Leanne New where he was like learning how to defeat mind controlled by creating different personalities. But they didn't go that route.

They did a more traditional something's weird route. And they're all sharing the solution. OK, go ahead. I had a thought on that, too.

I was like, I was watching it going, huh. The name of the alien race is the dominators. And the first thing they do is they grab a bunch of people and tie them up onto beds. Yeah, they're dominators.

It's a little on the nose. There was two little leather in the dream sequence for it. Sorry, I just couldn't resist that. I was like, wow, yeah, dominators.

And they're tying them all the beds. All right, all right. That's certainly one way to go. Yeah, that's what I definitely want to do it for sure.

So Oliver and Company, not the. Not to be with Paul Simon. Right? Paul, not to be with Joel.

Not to be with Joel. Yeah, that was the joke that made an arrow. And I had to steal it because that's what I do. I steal things.

And so yeah, so Oliver and Company escape. The evil collections of the dominators and are saved at the last minute by the Wave Rider, which leads us into tonight's episode, where instead of there being this battle where the Wave Rider escapes, it just kind of blinks out. And then the next scene is them arriving at the, let's just go ahead and call it what it is, the halls of justice. Yes.

Which will probably never be used ever again. Oh, I don't think so. Yeah. Actually, we speculate as we can talk about that later.

We'll definitely talk about the hall of justice. Yeah, yeah, because that final scene. And I'm going to say right now, so it'll be stuck in my head. And I hope we won't forget it.

But that final scene, yeah, there's a lot of stuff we can talk about that. So anyway, they get back and says, hey, you guys just escaped an alien ship. That's pretty cool. And which sure, that was pretty neat.

But I was kind of thinking that it would be less of this. Just to show up right back where they were and just continue like nothing happened. I thought there'd be more space battles. What did you guys think?

Did you think we were going to see some legends fighting with the Wave Rider? Well, from now, the Wave Rider doesn't have any weapons, I thought I'd have like missiles or something, right? Did they shoot at Chronos? I think they've shot at stuff.

But the thing is, I didn't think, here's the thing. I mean, if you watch that battle that they had on the ground, which we'll talk about in a minute, I mean, there wasn't one of them not powered up except for the people who don't have powers. But everyone who's meta, we got a vixen. We got Firestorm.

We got Steel. We got Adam. We'll talk about that in a minute. We got all the guys had their powers.

And they were using them full on, full force. Like if they had done a space battle and say not had two or three of the guys shooting, I'd have been mad. I'd have been like, no, no, save your budget. Yeah, I want to fight.

This is the Epic 4 and 9 crossover. Budgets shouldn't be a concern here. It'd be like blow all the money, right? Because ratings definitely helped.

I think Flash had them two gears. What were we saying? Yeah, ratings went to the roof. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All four. OK. Besides tonight, we don't know about tonight's. Yeah.

I don't know. I thought that was a fun episode. It seems like Beau and I want to disagree on that. We're going to have another episode of Civil War on Flash TV Talk next week.

But yeah, so our team, that was basically Team Arrow. And originally they were all Team Arrow. And then they turned into Team Legends, because it was Rey and Sarah. And Sarah.

Those are the only two legends that were abducted, right? Yeah. OK. Yeah.

Yeah. And so now they're back. And they're going to try to figure out what they're going to do with the Dominators. And I'm trying to remember, what was the decision there?

Was that only decided to go back in time? Or did they have a point where they were like, oh, we want to get a Dominator? Well, we know where we can get them. Ohio or whatever, 1951.

Oregon. That's right. Oregon. And then Cisco's like, oh, yeah, going back in time.

Yeah, let's do it. So as the person who is mad at Barry for going back in time. Yeah, you know, there's a lot of changes on that. Yeah, yeah, really interesting.

So I kind of thought it would be hilarious if Cisco hijacked the way for it to go say Dante. Instead of like going to get a Dominator. But alas, that did not happen. So I guess the team decides to go back to the 1950s when they fought them originally in Oregon, like you do, as opposed to go and grab them off the ship.

They have a spaceship themselves. I guess I just don't want to take on the entire Dominator fleet, I suppose. Right. Yeah, yeah.

That makes sense. That makes sense. So we get to see Steel suited up for the first time. They go back in time and they're watching the battle from afar.

And we get to see Commander Steel in his new suit. So I got to know, fellas, what do you think? I like it except for the eyes. All right, well, what do you got?

I just I couldn't help thinking to myself. It's like, hold on, my phone's ringing. Guys, hello. Yeah, hi, it's Batman Returns.

They're calling. They want their prop back. They're going to need that back by the end of the week. Thanks, bye.

There were no battles on there. Come on. It was a little too cheesy. I guess I'm used to them having a little.

It was very comic bookie, which I dig, but it was very cheesy. In the end, there were black eyes around the black, you know? Yeah. It was OK.

It's better than what he had. Yeah. And it hides identity. Yeah.

I liked the suit. The helmet was very comic bookie. I agree with you will. The eyes were kind of weird with the black.

You couldn't really see them. You couldn't. I didn't feel like you could have moat with his eyes very well. It's kind of how they do the isolate now.

Like they can't give them the white eyes of comic. Yeah. Like that started with Batman in 89. I mean, that's how Michael Keaton did it.

You know, prove with that. Watch Batman Returns when he pulls his masks off at the end. And then there's no black eye makeup. One minute he's got black eye makeup, but it cuts to Christopher Walken and it immediately cuts back to him.

And they show him starting to pull the mask off, and there's no black around his eyes. And it looks really bad. Oh, that's because the flash was there. Like the flash anytime Batman, you know, does that?

The flash comes in and takes the eye black off. Oh, like all the reason. Like the flash has eye black, too, actually. No.

No, he doesn't have it in the comics. You know, because he's got skin. He's got skin around his eyes. He doesn't have the Batman issue with the weird isolate cow thing.

In the 90s he did, but yes. That's true. That's true. Yeah.

So overall, I liked it. I think I like it better without the helmet. Yeah. And seeing as that this is a superhero show, and that most actors want people to see their faces, we may not have to see him in the helmet too very much.

Unless they're going to do some effects that he sees where they only want to CGI his chin. Well, yeah, that does come in handy. Having him at costume like that means they could do it all in a computer a lot easier. Oh, sure.

Yeah. Yeah. And I'm sure that's probably the reason why most of him is covered up so that they can save on that render time and whatnot. But yeah, it was good.

It was a good suit. The helmet, very comic bookie. But, OK. I have a little too much.

Maybe they should have gone with blue or some other color. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. But anyway, so we get to see Commander Steel and Firestorm and Vixen go and try to grab a straggler, Dominator, who was abducting people.

And I didn't realize that Dominators have very long middle fingers. Did you guys see those? I saw that. I didn't realize they had it before either.

I don't think they do that much in the comics. You don't see their hands very much. They're almost always in these robes. OK.

They have large hands. But they don't have the giant fingers. They've got the monsters thin long claws. Ah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, the Dominator design was pretty good. I couldn't really complain. Yeah, let's talk about that for you. I didn't mention it on Flash, TV talk.

So yeah, as far as aliens go, and we're super familiar with the Invasion Comic Series and you read it when it came out. So your take on this as a whole, on this whole experience, like with the Dominator, how they looked, the representation. What did you think? Did they do a good job?

Well, I get what they were going for. Like in the original, it was actually a, they used the word Dominion. It was actually an organization. Like the Dominators ran tests on humans to try to find out about the metagumans.

The reason being, and what they couldn't talk about here was really, is that the Dominators are mainly a legion of superheroes villain. Like they're mainly around in the 30th century back then. OK. And then they brought them back in the 80s to kind of start this where they're like, we're seeing metagumans on Earth.

This is bad. And so what they did was, the whole point of the invasion was to stop the proliferation of metahumans. So very much close to the comic. But there were more villains.

There were more, it was more than just the Dominators. It was a race called the Cuns. The Combine, I think, was in there. Mega Men villains.

Mega Man villains? Like Mega Men. It's a different comic. I'm talking about like Dr.

Light. The O'Karen Warlords. I mean, they had a whole, the Sanigarians were part of the Alliance Against the Humans. And what happened was they came to Earth and the humans fought them off.

Very similar idea, sorry. The humans all fought them off. And then on their way out, they dropped the Metabomb, which made all the super humans sick, was going to kill them. And then magically at the last moment, it cured some and it also triggered the metagenet about, you know, I think a third of it was a lot more people became meta after that.

So let's talk about epic backfires, right? Yes. So it was very, well, because that was it. They were starting off saying, like, the first scene in the invasion.

I recommend you read it. The first scene in the invasion, the Dominators come up with this weapon to basically kill 50 humans, saying that one out of these 50 live, then the metagenet thing is happening on Earth. It's under control. So they do it.

Eight people live. One of them being snapper car, by the way. Oh, yeah. And it starts the whole war.

So it's worth reading. It's very steep in the 80s. It's using the jail eye, not, you know, so it's got Mr. Miracle and Guy Gardner.

And, you know, it's not terrible. It's a good read. If you could find it, I would definitely read it. Well, so it answered your question.

These Dominators were different in some ways. I didn't like the, you know, Dominator thing. I think they could have done away with that whole subplot. Like he really didn't give them anything.

He's like, yes, we came back to kill you all. Oh, well, you could have done that anyway. So why did they let him go? Yeah.

Yeah. So, yeah, that kind of brings us to the next point there. So they capture the straggler. And in turn get captured by, I guess, the men in black.

Now, this is another question that I had for you guys was this character, and I don't remember his name, the basically, Smith. Smith. Smith, okay. So now is he from the Matrix?

Is he from the Minn Black or is he from comics? He's not from the, well, there wasn't Mr. Smith in the comics back then. But he was a man hunter, and he was mainly Green Lantern.

It was the only reason I know of him. And he wasn't associated with the government. He was associated with Ferris. Okay.

And I don't think they drew from him. He mainly wore sunglasses. The coolest thing about him though was it was Doc Cottle. I was like, oh, if you, if you watch Bell's Dark Lactica, the new one, he was, he was on.

That was coddle. Oh, jeez. Dude, I was like, the minute he started talking, I'm like, where's your cigarette? Jeez, I had the glasses that threw me off.

Yeah, he was also Dutch and soap. I mean, this guy's been around since the 70s. But yeah, the minute he started talking, I'm like, that's Doc Cottle. So it was cool.

And then his younger version was like the dude from Murphy Brown. So, but yeah, he really didn't have a comic. I mean, if you're going to give anything, you know, I would say, yeah, like, if he was Smith in the comics, that would be unusual. I think he was just a generic government goon.

The GG. So yeah, just generic government goon man kind of guy. Okay. So, so yeah, so, so they get captured and the shrink-wise that they use conveniently neutralizes their powers.

And I guess they took mixed heat gun and- Which doesn't make any sense because they didn't know about- Medic humans until the particle accelerator. Well, no, not true. Yeah, because that's what they say. Yeah, Vixen mentions that.

She mentions that because that's why they came in the 50s was because of the JSA. And- So only- So, Cydian? I mean, you only kind of met a human? I mean, well, Vixen is not a metahuman.

She has an amulet that gives her her powers. But our man- Pills. Right. None of them were really meta.

I mean, other than obsidian. Yeah. Yeah, so, unless still is. Yeah.

So one person bringing the dominators. Well, I mean, really, are we going to try to talk about the plot holes in legends? I mean, we do that on this podcast quite regularly. We can make an entirely podcast called Plottle TV Talk to Talk About.

It's very long every week. And I just don't get that kind of time. So I'm still negative. Yeah.

No, it's- Yeah, Plottle's an- I actually like legends. You know, Bo, Bo, just recently, but you know whatever. But yeah, so they capture them. They go to operate on Alien and they're going to go and they decide once the- I guess the tech support shows up, which is a great scene with Cisco and Felicity.

Tell me that's a team name. What tech support? Tech support. I think they should do that.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. We'll make it so. Hashtag tech support.

That'll be the next- the next Arrowverse show is tech support. Yeah. So they show up with their stun guns or laser guns or whatever it is and get rid of bad guys. And they decide to go and release a dominator.

Now, this was something that I found was kind of interesting is, you know, it's that whole like altruistic, you know, hero kind of thing. Now it's our turn to go and show the super alien guy that we're not all that bad. And of course they take that route because they're heroes and Cisco has to do it because otherwise his, you know, transition from Sanzco back to Cisco would not be complete at the end of this episode, which we'll talk about later. So yeah, they release the dominator and he's all like, thanks.

Peace out. But they, I guess I never showed them fixing the alien ship that they had picked up. No, they didn't. They had to do it for time.

Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. So I guess I just gave him that ship and he just zoomed out.

But Cisco stole this crazy interdimensional communications device, I presume. And how he knew that it was a translocator beacon and how he knew how to operate it. We'll worry about that later. But what's important is the minute they return back to 2016, we'll call him Bob, Bob the Dominator.

Does that work? I don't know if you want to. How about Dom the Dominator? Dom will go Dom because that's, you know, that's the furious.

You know what I'm telling you. I'm sorry. Well, you know, they're both bald. So I mean, that kind of works.

So Dom shows up in his souped up spaceship that he uses to get pink slips from other souped chips. No, that's not going to work. The fastest one we were going on that one. The fastest, the furious references were a little too thick there.

So they return back in time. Oh. Yeah, that's, you know, because they used to race for slips. That's what they did.

That's the furious. You know, come on. Yes, before they started saving the world. Oh, that's right.

They turned into like a crazy mercenary supergroup team. Yeah, yeah. Well, the rock. That's true.

Anyway, go on. All that aside. This Dominator, calm Dom, contacts in the minute they get back to 2016 and they're all like, well, you're welcome. I didn't kill you and they're like, to Shay.

And so, so now the point here, I may have missed this. He comes back and he says that the reason why they decided to come to Earth now in 2016 was because of their interaction with metahumans specifically from the 1951 incident. Is that correct? That's correct.

Yes. Okay. So the resurgence was very Alan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and because of the time travel.

Now, what was it originally? So they came down on the reconnaissance mission in 1951 originally, but they came back in 2016 before the legends went back in time to capture an alien. Why did they come back then? Was that just because of Barry?

Like that's what I was trying to figure out. I think so. They came back in 2016, I think, because of Barry. Will you're breaking up?

Oh, sorry. They came back in 2016 because of Barry. Okay. So before they went back in time, the legends went back in time to go grab a Dominator.

They came, the Dominators came in 2016 because Barry mess with the timeline. They're like, now we can't mess with the timeline. Okay. Okay.

I think they came back in the past week. They said because of the super human, like the JSA. Yeah. So, in 1951, it was the JSA reconnaissance mission.

And then they freaked out because Barry changed the timeline. And that's when we got him, like, all right, we got him, but he done. No, no, Barry just existed. Like all of a sudden, here's a meta again.

Like the way that it was described. They didn't say anything about the timeline. They said, you know, because there's now a proliferation, because Barry was, they said it like six times, Barry started the metacumans. Barry became a metacumen and all of a sudden there were all these other metacumans.

So the particle accelerator explosion could be the reason they came back. Well, but I mean, why they would want? Yeah, yeah. But I don't get why they would want Barry.

Because he's the most popular one and taking him would be a bloke. The one thing that they didn't do as well here, but then I know what the dominators is, they're sinister as hell. And they're very much mined over muscle. The reason they joined up with the guns and the Thannagarians and all of that was they wanted an army because they don't fight.

You know, they tend to fight and they will defend themselves. But really, they don't want to get involved in war. They're the manipulators behind the throne. So taking Flash out, you know, the poster boy of this Earth's metahuman population would have a, you know, demeritist effect on the rest of them.

Wow, we lost Flash. Why would I do this? You know, he was the best of us. Yeah.

So, yeah, you could also argue that maybe he's the most powerful because he's the most experienced. But it's kind of interesting to me when Supergirl comes over to this world that she is like straight up God, Supergirl. Like completely invulnerable. Like that's what's, because I figure, you know, in the comics, Flash and Superman, you know, they're both super fast, but Flash is faster.

And maybe he could take Superman depending on the circumstance. I don't know. Usually he does. Yeah.

But it seems like in this universe that Supergirl is just light years beyond everybody in terms of durability, speed, maybe not speed, but like strength and you're not ability to all that kind of stuff. Do we have a fly? Oh, well, they have Firestorm. Yeah, I guess they have a flyer.

Yeah, a flyer store man, Adam. Yeah. Adam flies with a suit. He doesn't count.

Yeah. Yeah. Pretty sure Supergirl ripped him in half in a split second. Yeah.

Well, actually, we can talk about this in speculation too, is some of the things they were saying at the end of this episode, I got to wonder if they're trying to find a way to like bring her over without bringing her over. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like, Ray's like, wow, she looks just like my cousin.

Which is a reference to Superman Returns. Oh my god. I can't believe I missed that. I heard the reference and I was like, okay, that's a reference to something.

Why am I not getting what it is? Genius, Kyle. You win the internet tonight. Yeah.

They got out. They got out. I thought they were going to like bring her over as like Ray's cousin and she's Kara, but was adopted by the Palmer's. That's all I could think is they were going to be like, oh yeah, she looks like my cousin, Karen Palmer.

Interesting. Well, so yeah, no, that makes more sense. Yeah, we definitely got to circle back to that because sort of interesting there with the little device that they give her. But so Barry, the dominators come back and they talk to him like we need Barry Allen because we're sinister bad people and we want to crush your hopes by destroying your little team.

And Barry's like, yeah, okay, I'll do it. And everybody's like, no, I don't do it. And Cisco's like, wait a second. I've been mad at Barry for all this time.

But then I go ahead and I do the exact same thing that he did, which was changed the timeline for what he thought was the best purpose. And so Cisco's active mercy saving this dominator. So they were coming back in 2016 anyway. So I'm trying to remember the hook.

Like, what was it about how Cisco changed the timeline by saving the dominator made it worse for them in 2016. You guys remember? Yeah, because I think it might be because that they came back. Because I think that when the dominator left, like before, I think before Cisco and before the legends took a whole of that dominator, I think that dominator was going to leave and then come back.

But yeah, I guess I really don't know. I mean, I kind of it would have been nice if they had something to the effect of, you know, when I left, I had to travel 25 light years to get to my fleet and tell them that there were in fact metahuments from the years, you know, from the future. And we spent the next 25 light years, which would be 50 years, getting back here or 60 years, you know, say it was 30 light years. That would have been a lot better, I think.

Like I had to travel 30 light years to tell them, wait, we have to go back. Yeah, yeah. You know, and then boom, they show up. But yeah, it was unclear.

I think what Cisco's thinking is because they revealed themselves in the past using futuristic weapons and having meadows who don't belong there because they said we're from the future. But the dominator got back to his fleet and said, we have to go back in 2016 because there's obviously more metahuments. So, but even still, they kept saying they came back for Perry Allen. So they never really said one way or the other.

Oh, wait, so were they planning on dropping the metal bomb before the legends went back in time? That's my question. They still talked about, they just talked about in either episode two or episode one. They said the weapon is being prepared.

That's right. Yeah. And again, I was like, Metabomb, Metabomb. Metabomb.

Well, you've been calling that since we started this podcast. I really thought they would have done it too. Like make, you know, like I'd love to find out later that the water that's spilled made some metahuments underneath them. You know, I would have been like, that was my guess.

Yeah, I was wondering if something like that was going to happen. But so, so yeah, Cisco finally makes a realization that he's no better than Barry. And so now he can no longer has to be Satsco and he can be Cisco again, which is nice because, you know, Satsco is not it. Yeah, not nearly as much fun as Cisco.

And so we have a scenario now where Dr. Stein and his daughter are working on a device to stop them. Or shall I say a MacGuffin to stop them? Yeah, no kidding.

Yeah. And now I guess we can finally address the real legends plot line for this particular episode, which is that Martin Stein in his little pep talk to himself in 1987 created a time aberration which resulted in the birth of his daughter that he just didn't really have. Lily, there we go. He's not her Lily.

And so, so now Stein has also ruined the timeline. We'll create an aberration. That's really a time like, create an aberration. Now, so, okay, so, so Stein has done it.

Sarah has tried. Barry, Scoot of the timeline, Cisco Scoot of the timeline. Anybody else? Scoot of the timeline?

Specifically legends, maybe? Everyone on legends. Pretty much everyone on legends. Yeah.

I think that's, I think that's safe to say. Yeah. If you'll remember, yesterday on the Flash episode, it was Sarah herself. It was like, Barry, how dare you be so selfish and try to change the timeline?

That was, that was hilarious to me. But of all people. Me too. Yeah.

Like of all people to come forward and be like, hey Barry, I can't leave you Scoot of the timeline for that to be like Sarah. That was, that was pretty hilarious. Yeah. Yeah, but I will say this.

I will say this. I'm kind of rooting against Sarah ever bringing her sister back until yesterday. Like I'm sorry, seeing Katie Cassidy again in Arrow. I missed.

I was like, wow, it's so nice to see. I'm like, find a way to bring her back. She's good. Now, you know, a little of her goes a long way.

I mean, I was the one ragging on her weeks ago. I was like, she sucks. You know, long, you know, long, dead, primary. What is it?

You know, now, like distance, the heart growth finder or something. What is it? Yes. Yeah.

And she does. She still has chemistry with a mal and, yeah. You know, and she wasn't so damn annoying. Yeah.

That was, that was good. That was really the era episode. You know, I've seen season one, season two. I haven't really seen all season three or season four.

But that was cool to see those characters coming back in that situation. That was a neat little throwback for you because it's a hundred episode of Arrow. So like, that's a milestone. That's your syndication goal, correct?

Yep. Yes. And so that means that now they can make that decision. Yeah.

Yeah. And yeah, you know, that was, that I think it would be hard to pick a highlight of this crossover. I think Flash has to be. Yeah.

With the air will be in a very close second. Legends of third and let's talk about Supergirl. Well, it wasn't really a crossover. That was more of a super.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very short one.

But yeah, so getting back to Stein though, it's like, so he has this kid and, you know, none of us called that by the way. We all thought she was going to be his new wife. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. He's like, he's very young. So it'd be very weird if that was. Well, you could really tell right in the splashbacks that we were seeing in the previous episodes.

Right. Yeah. It was hard to tell. But when she answered the door, I was like, Hmm, Stein.

What have you been up to? And do you think they missed an opportunity with making a female president who wasn't Linda Carter? I thought it's been an opportunity. Yeah.

Like, I thought it was going to be Linda Carter, honestly. So I was like, whoa, I was like, please be like, I don't think so. Just because like, can't always have everything being a doppelganger. That's true.

Yeah. But there are no doppelgangers. Maybe that's part of it too. It's like really there's no doppelgangers between Earth 38 and let you know Earth one.

You know, I don't think there are. There's no rollover, right? I think there's no Barry. There's no green arrow.

There's no Cisco. There's no Harrison Wells. Yeah. Every, there's no super heroes besides Kara and Superman.

I think if they do crisis, they're going to have to merge these earths. I think that's awesome. Is that they're going to merge the earth? Yeah.

There's going to be no repercussions for merging super girls earth with earth one. Right. Or they'll do like an earth two story where her Earth is going to die. Well, this can go to speculation again, but her Earth's going to die and she has this little device that can turn sort of everybody over to earth one.

Yeah. Yeah. We'll definitely talk about that. So yeah, we'll speculate.

Did anybody else think the final battle then, though, with the MacGuffin and all that, did it seem a little kinetic climactic? Very much so. Very much so. Yeah.

So, so Lily, a science daughter, she figures out a way using nanotechnology. It was so forced. The whole thorn, the lion in the thorn story is so forced, so forced. And so I know we'll make these little tiny things that will hurt them.

How does it matter? Why are they indestructible? I guess in the first place, it's kind of interesting. They can't figure out a gun to shoot them with or ray or, you know.

They could have just used the gun that Oliver took from the dominator ship. Yeah, replicate that to know. Reverse engineer. Yeah.

Yeah. No, no, no. They have a ship that can make any weapon, remember? Oh, yeah, that's true.

You can also make two entities. Oh, we'll talk about that. So, so yeah, so Lily creates the device, gives it to Flash and Supergirl, and they proceed to take it all around the world in the space of three minutes. Never mind.

Around the world, around the world. Yes, we're going to do a yellow TV talk. Well, I was ahead. We've just found our outro music.

Because I have to do it the other day. But yeah, so it did seem very anti-climactic. It was kind of like, I don't get it like they put the devices and all the dominators, but it was all of them all across the globe. Yes, we've never seen Flash move that fast before.

But I mean, what's Flash just doing it in central city and the Supergirl's doing it all over the world or what? I mean, because they- I think they were both doing it around the world. So they were taking it as they were. Right, they were.

Yeah. Well, I think he was doing the US. They said Barry's going around the country, and I think Cara was going across the ocean. But still, that was like so little time to put those things on everything.