Straight out of the timeline and right into your ears. I'm Bell. I'm Kyle and I'm Will and this is Legends TV talk Bellas, how you doing today? I'm wonderful, man.
How are you? I? Have the same zombie plague that I sailed our heroes in this week's episode Look up and I have some kind of like head cold or something so be warned We're doing this a little different today for those of you listening we're actually recording Saturday morning, so a little rough Yeah, it's like Saturday morning cartoons because of this I know thanks a lot more Saturday morning cartoons. Don't try to pull that on me You think you can watch him on Hulu.
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You know this is funny I was actually watching I think it was on Netflix the original X-Men for a time or maybe it was on Hulu I don't know when I was watching it and there's just one particular scene in the first episode Where it's professor Xavier and he's sitting there in his little chair and he's got this yellow and black striped tie on and it shows him He's talking and then it cuts over to another character and then it comes back to him and he's got a yellow and blue striped tie on and then it cuts back Yeah, it's tie changes colors and I'm sitting wondering if that's professor Xavier like you know manipulating my mind across the television or if it's just for animation tactics Season 2 episode 4 abominations directed by Michael Alowitz written by Mark Guggenheim and Ray Uternichit I'll turn it shit you buy it. That's true. That is very true God what happened this episode man? Well when the legends discovered time aberration in 1863 They find themselves fighting for survival during the Civil War with Confederate soldiers who have been turned into zombies with the Civil War outcome hanging in the balance Jack's most participated in their mission by going to a slave plantation with the Maya meanwhile Serene gets a feel of burden on the decisions She has she has to make as leader and Ray struggles to find his purpose on the team and then they all hop on the train That's right behind you That's right is like a mile away Reveal so interesting a little bit of tidbit of information here at the beginning of this episode I mentioned that the aberration took place in 1863 in Heinz County, Mississippi Now I actually grew up in Heinz County, Mississippi.
There were a lot fewer zombies But you're saying you you're saying you be Heinz Be Heinz be like yes, yes, yes That was terrible You know I'm becoming more and more convinced that the writers who work at the CW are doing all of these shows specifically for me It's true. It's true. They're first, you know There's the whole ring that garage campaign and then in season two we had garage actually be in a bell tower I mean there's you know that's that's something and now we have Heinz County, Mississippi the county that I grew up in being featured Predominantly in an episode and so I'm pretty much convinced that this show is for me specifically and no one else Except for all the other people that watch it Yes, yes, but they're not as important as I am clearly clearly. Yeah, so episode starts off We have a space pirate who is being you know doing space pirate stuff and he detaches from his ship crashes into a field in Heinz County, Mississippi And promptly turns into a zombie after being discovered by Civil War soldiers thus starting a zombie outbreak This is a terrible thing because as you know zombies are in implacable horrible fighting force because you Tougill and so our heroes or our legends we should say decide to go and fix this issue So this is to me this is a pretty heavy subject matter in direct contrast to pretty ridiculous subject matter You have you know the Civil War and slavery up against a zombie movie It's kind of an interesting parody.
What do you think about the episode just overall Kyle? overall I mean It compares it to the first three I thought this one was the the probably the weakest in writing, but it was also Like the most impactful in terms of you know slavery and then what happened in the Civil War So but that's just my thoughts. I mean I was still I still watched the whole thing of course But I I think it was like over the top holy crap. This is really awesome Show, but yeah, it's it's it had its moments.
Well, it was weird right because yeah, you're right You know you have this the zombie plot line and the Civil War plot line They were tied together intrinsically linked, but they were just vastly different levels of seriousness It was kind of weird like I liked it, but I feel that the storylines were kind of Diametrically opposed I guess you could say well. Did you feel the same way about about that? Yeah, I feel exactly the same way And honestly, I mean it was it was kind of like are you gonna do? Are you gonna do a zombie show or are you going to do you know a slavery show?
They could have done this exact same episode with just the time pirate mucking up time Why did you need to do this episode as a zombie episode like why not do something else? I think it kind of undercut the Discomfort you would feel from like a slavery storyline involving Jackson involving Amaya and it just it almost seemed like it existed strictly to give Adam something to do on the ship and canary and steal something to do when they're talking to you Listen s grand who kind of looks like the boss from Parks and Recreation So it did it just seemed it again It's the writers room. I love this show, but sometimes they make decisions I can't understand like how this is not its own standalone around Halloween maybe in 1942 You know I don't get yeah Because I mean this this could have stood out its own with the slavery storyline and Jack's you know heck You could have done 12 years of slave had jacks be just picked up and say you're now a slave Yeah, now what do we do you know and this history revolve around jacks? Do we have to you could have wrote it and said hey do we have to leave him behind because history sees Jack You know they could pull up a newspaper that said Jack's was a slave in the past, you know and different storyline heavy good And you know asked a ton of questions.
I don't think they needed to work the zombies in this time Yeah, yeah, it was interesting I liked the the fact that didn't pull any punches on the slavery storyline They did a really good job representing how horrible everything was there and then you had this like crazy dr Stein like scared of zombies moment, but yeah, it was really crazy, you know, so I don't quite know exactly how I feel like I like the fact that they went there that they did that with the slavery stuff But I don't know exactly about everything else But I'm kind of jumping all over the place here So let's let's get back to the main story kind of figure out everything that happened there So our legends Investigate the time aberration they come down and they're being chased by or they find a man who is running from a group of Confederate soldiers And then firestorm decides to you know heat things up lol and they discovered that this man that this man was running he was Oh, what was the term? Currier no well specific kind of career dispatch yeah, yeah, which was you know They were free black men from the north who would come and operate a spies in the south to transmit information to the Union And that exactly what this man was doing He was taking some treatment movements from this plantation home or his mission was to go get the treatment from a plantation home and take them for the Union and and so He had gotten an altercation had gotten stabbed and was about to die and so they do their research back on the ship And they find out that this guy was actually responsible for delivering these troop movements to grant which allowed them to to win the Battle of Exberg and go on that man had a school named after him and so they decide to go ahead and Essentially complete this guy's mission in lieu of the fact that there are zombies everywhere. So Cuz you know yeah work in a legend It's one thing to have fight time aberrations, right? It's completely different thing to have to fight time aberrations and zombies But that just seems to be you know case in point not case in point All in all in a day's work for the legends here just aberrations and weird space time technology future stuff Well, but so we have a nice moment though with dr.
Stein and And it's kind of starts the whole seriousness of this particular storyline in the episode where dr. Stein is really concerned with jacks having to go and experience the south During the slavery time and this was kind of the point in my mind where I'm like, okay It's they have a decision they can make here they can either go and use a bunch of tropes that have been used on in a lot of different movies Or they can go and they can just tell what actually happened now at this point in the story Will what were you thinking they're gonna go and tell the whole oh yeah? We have the benevolent slave owner, you know thing that never actually happened and all these different tropes that you see about how all That bad during the Civil War What did you think they were gonna go that route or do you think they're gonna be brave and you know? Or not brave, but you know just actually tell how it was I Think if this was pre two years ago and best picture was 12 years of slave You know, I think they would have gone with the safe, you know thing like that But I think with the racial tensions where the country's at right now and after again 12 years of slave made you know A bucket of money, and I think it was for Warner Brothers.
No, I wasn't surprised at all that they were gonna go to the murder Edge slavery storyline It's like I said, I almost kind of wanted them to I've been wanting them to do something like this with Jackson for weeks Yeah, cuz you're going to all these various places and and having Jackson knowledge. Yes. I go great You think there's anywhere we go that I feel safe and okay, and it's like okay. You've acknowledged my problem.
Yeah, but yeah I had a feeling they were gonna go that route because I mean it's it's a good story to tell It's a bit educational and it fits kind of in the political, you know culture that we're in right now. What about you Kyle? Yeah, yeah What you said there's not much to say about it there's it's exactly it's all I mean Yeah, as you said in today's culture still it's no ring true minus the slave slavery, but it's the whole like the equal rights Move in sort of I don't know. Yeah, and I remember the movie called the patriot.
Yes. Love the retreat. Okay. I hated that movie I'm sorry I just it was one of these these like you know mythical tropes and things that just didn't really happen and and I mean They're they're parts of it.
They really like the fact that they accurately showed how cannons work Which is they bounce through lines of people in dismembering. Yeah, it's pretty horrifying But you know the whole like these people aren't my slaves. They're here working on their own volition But I don't you know, and they love me and all that kind of stuff And it's you know that may have happened in certain areas, but you know back then the idea was that you know black people weren't people and Those are some of the issues that I had with that with that movie particular, but and when the the dragon came by like what was his name The patriot the bad guy. Yeah Yeah, I am Mr.
Dragon Guy, but you know it would yeah, yeah But you know the the benevolent slave owner true was just something that you see a lot in and in movies that they talk about that era And I didn't I didn't put together the whole 12 years of slave kind of changing the game on that But yeah, I think you're absolutely right when you talk about these things and you give them the gravity that they need You can kind of change the cultural perspective about it And it's not like we're saying that because in some of those situations It's almost as if saying oh no, it wasn't like that it wasn't like that at all, but it's one thing to say yes it was like that and we're You know we're moving past that as a country It's another thing to kind of like insinuate that never happened And so I'm just glad that they went that route not to insinuate that it wasn't bad and it was awful But to show that it was just to remind us that this is stuff that you know we shouldn't do these things This is horrible. I Think they had to do that with Mel Gibson because he's the hero of the story You can't have him being you can't whitewash it and say I'm a South Carolina plantation owner And so I don't have any slaves because I don't believe in slavery You know the only way you could go about it is to have him have slaves, but but they will end his freedmen So he's not really a slave owner. He's just a very good businessman who also wants to go out and kill the red coats and kill Tavington Tavington they're having I'm like I am DB just call me I am D. Well But yeah, so yeah, I think with that movie This isn't patreon TV talk by any stretch But I think with that you had to I think you're right 12 years of slave just it changed the way we've used slavery because it was So in your face and don't get me wrong I kind of look at that and I go okay, maybe you might also it's hard for us to say if it went too far Is it somewhere in the middle?
I don't know I it's not really for me to know it was awful no matter how you slice it That's kind of why I wanted them to just do the slavery episode like why do you need zombies? It seemed like that was the trope this time was yeah, we're gonna do a slavery episode. It's so serious We need something something fun, you know, and somebody was watching the walking dead and going zombies Get a bat puts a barbed wire on it. Let's go I thought you meant I thought you meant the show walking dead yeah, they killed two spoiler Oh, yeah, no, yeah, a lot of people died in this lessons episode for sure yeah But yeah, so I'm glad they went that route.
I'm glad they did But yeah, you know, we have this subplot of zombies speaking of which Shortly after they decide to take on this mission and jacks, you know wants to go in and complete the couriers mission We find out that Mick get a bit This oh wait, but he was a dispatch dispatch dispatch not a career and even said that a major He's a dispatch carrying a marked case in a time of war you cannot kill him. That's what they call me There we go, so on this is this is this is truly a history lesson right? So Yeah, so now to go back away from the serious aspect here We have Mick get bit by a zombie and then we find out that dr. Stein is terrified of zombies Walker they like to be called walkers Right because they could be walkers.
I did yeah, I noticed that I'm like they should not be running I'm used to walking dead zombies. They don't run. Yeah, unless you're in the in the dawn of the death of remake by Zack Snyder Oh, they were yeah, yeah, so and I guess you know 28 days later They're not technically zombies they're more like rage monsters, but yeah, if I ever got caught in a zombie apocalypse It better be slow zombies around totally screwed Bell I've seen body photos. I've seen my body photos you and I could last long in this world But he literally under Thanksgiving turkey they look at us and go perfect go for him Which one zombie land that's right?
Yeah cardio. I have not practiced rule number one So I would not be very well suited to a post-apocalyptic zombie universe Anywho, so we find out that dr. Stein is terrified of zombies and this is interesting to me because as a man of science You know, he's I'm sure he's like, oh, there's no possible way there ever be zombies That doesn't make any sense at all and then he's confronted by the reality that yes in the future they make zombie pills I guess zombie disease that makes sense, right? Let's let's make let's make a bioweapon that turns people into a dead killing machine That's a great idea.
Well, what's my weapon so they could have they could drop that on? Or they could use some of like whoever's using it in the future use it on some of their own man to go attack their enemies Well, it sucks never mind. Well, so yeah, they turn you into a zombie, right? You go and you kill the enemy and then they unzombify you, but I have bullet holes all in you That doesn't make any sense who who creates this stuff.
Yeah. Yeah, that's that's one of the things where I was kind of like hmm What is the point of the zombie virus because you got to have dead people in order for to work? Oh, no, I guess not because it turns people into dead people Yeah, but it kills them before it does it if it's anything like again now I'm walking dead if I'd but I mean in the walking dead they die from the bite and then they become zombies It's not like the boss zombie makes it so case in point make was still alive when he got that otherwise that is true No, it's like a change to a mindless zombie thing Okay, not if it makes sense. We really can't analyze that because it just doesn't gonna work Yeah, well, I try to figure out what zombie meat those is false it to and it doesn't seem like it's an undead thing It seems like it's more of a rage monster kind of deal right with the red ring Well, but except for the one they cut off one of the zombies heads and it was still like chubby chubby.
No They wanted to do Sorry, this is a kind of an example of sloppy writing a lot of the way through this whole episode was like really you're just just gonna go for it So we really don't know what kind of zombies these are I mean, it was some kind of zombie plague that was made in the future And I guess that's kind of neat But like you know you have your Romero zombies that are fast and you have your original night of living dead zombies that slow And you have your rage monster kind of zombies from 28 days later I don't know what these are They're like I would have liked to see the blackest night zombies like it's DC. How do you not do that? Okay, like we have enough right we have enough dead heroes. We have enough dead villains like Arrow alone heck season to a flash alone You know to have the zombies come back and be them have Captain Coles and be Captain Colby the leader with black and every standing beside him You know it it also could have brought them back to the land of living.
I would have loved to have seen them go black It's not oh, yeah, I love that idea But they won't do it because they will not have greener greelantern on the arovers and I don't know why not Is that something that they've come out because you know they said long ago They'll never be Superman on TV and now Superman's on TV So I wonder what they did recently come out or mark O'Gunheim whoever said that green lantern will not be on aro But that just tells me that it he won't be coming to any of these CW shows I don't think they do a lot of like hints on aro. Oh, there's definitely Flash to you. Yeah, you guys know that Berlanti did Green Lantern The Ryan Reynolds will be a little bit like he I think he wants to do Green Lantern And I think he wants to do it right like as he's come out and said like part of the problem of that movie was you know Warner Brothers had kind of the same thing that Snyder says and everybody else says that Warner Brothers kind of holds that with like a fist Like I I'd like to sit there and say that I think the casting of Ryan Reynolds might have been dictated by the studio I don't know like cuz I think if you had if you had Nathan Philian in there you had a hit but Be that is it man. If you would have or if you would have had Ryan Reynolds be like Guy Gardner instead of how Jordan it would Yes, yes, I'm a lowly civilian.
No, I'm with you on that I mean I wear a green lantern ring learn is my guy But I just would have liked to see a black or maybe not a black as something where it reanimated the heroes that have died You know like we're back in the past and there's some sort of zombie apocalypse and in mid, you know in Central City And we have to go they wasted it on the slave story I think and it sort of takes away the some of the seriousness that the slave story was bringing about right? Yeah, so yeah, it was like a scary sort of you know more serious take on a zombie thing Which I don't know how to make a serious take on the zombie thing I guess walking dead kind of does that boy do that more human tragedy than it is a monster movie But yeah, yeah, that would have been cool. Yeah, you don't even think about that We have zombies in the DC universe It would have been neat to see if maybe they just had at least like a hint or a nod at it or something like that Like them coming back when they would be ran made have like, you know For some reason have a black costume on or something I don't know or ring that no one else could see is just very, you know subtle if you looked on their hands You could see the ring that And saying that they're dead because I mean what you did was what this was because you had make live now Do the legends kill all of those confederate could leave those confederate soldiers? Like how many people did we just kill that would impact the timeline the butterfly effect heck?
We just do a rock in the pond That's true. That's true, and you know, I'm sure some people say other confederate soldiers blah blah blah blah blah blah blah You know we were saving it, but let's be real You know, I'm sure some of my ancestors while in the Civil War on the confederate side I might not be here if we blew up all the confederates on me Maybe that's what happened to Bill Maybe maybe I am some kind of like weird time remnant It just it just it just episode just seemed again just a little bit like they were like I think they wanted to tell the slave story they're sitting around the right room I can see a million like slave story somebody comes in and goes man That's a heavy heavy story. We need something like we need something light harder. Can we how about a romance?
That's not that's too soon. It's something like I said somebody's watching a walkie dead over there goes zombies zombies Let's go make it happen. Yeah, he's not paying attention to the movie or to the writing remaining just like watching walking dead on his phone It's like Johnson, what are you doing? We put zombies in the episode.
That's a great idea Johnson That's a great you know you turn a shit He did turn a shit episode maybe that's why there are two writers because you can have usually works alone I kind of get the feel they're like we have half an episode here. We have this late episode in zombie episode Yeah, so yeah, maybe that's what it was they had okay. We have 23 episodes We wrote 24 we have this really intense story and then we have a goofy zombie plot line Let's just mash this together kind of like you know sugarcoat the the seriousness of this one episode and and you turn a shit It was like sure let's do that in a good times like um That's true, you know, he actually is the museum. It's a museum is actually sent it out.
That's and it writes it writes super Here listen, we're not doing Doom Patrol TV talk Okay, I'm going great Morrison on us My bad speaking of TV talks perhaps we should Try it. I think we should talk about Ray cuz he wow Awful for a ray Ray Ray. Yeah. Yeah, so so at this point a mixed-man bit and they brought him back onto the ship and You know raise this whole whoa is me.
What do I do on the team? I have a genius level intellect and I'm the smartest person probably on that whole shit outside of Stein What am I going to do to help the team? You can't think of something? I mean, it's like okay.
Yeah, make it cure like you can use your scientifically gifted genius mind to come up with stuff to do things I was okay or create another Adam's I don't know Fabricate an Adam suit with your future tech shit that you have actually you could also make lunch which he did he went he went away There was one way to go he made lunch. That's true Welcome to Mississippi where it's a bobby 53 degrees and did you just turn off his comms? Yes Guys guys You need like I'm sorry. He's like shell I pull up mine sweet before you sir.
No, that's okay Yeah, it's funny to me because yeah, he's got a real big you know What is that complex called where you know, he's just like super sad about everything that happens to him The pilot Twilight I don't know Twilight Shut up It's not like you can't I mean maybe he doesn't have a material to make a new Adam suit But it's not that's the only thing that you know makes him It's the only key things that makes him a hero But you know your genius there's all sorts of things you could be doing and of course what he tries is to make a solution for this zombie Plague that is now haunting their ship so they What was the first batch that they made it was like an injectable or something like that? That's something that what it was yeah, you call it sub-dermal. Okay, so yes, some kind of injectable solution that they could put in there Of course that didn't work and so now you have dr. Stein And and Ray trying to find this zombie make which by the way regular make it scary enough zombie make no thanks And so that one doesn't work and they have to now what aerosolize it Yeah, and somehow they got it into the What is it my mind just went blank a fire extinguisher?
Yeah, how they put that in there? I don't know how they did that but they did that they went to the props department and they're like alright props We need we need that you know aerosol distribution device. We asked you guys to make and they're like oh Oh guys we make the aerosolize distribution device and they're just looking around the room going um Fire extinguisher here you go Works for me like a fire extinguisher. Oh, no.
It's a future. It's a future space time aerosolizer thing right I mean It's anybody else anybody else thought to themselves you've got you know jacks and Martin walking and they're talking about Adam right And they're talking about all this stuff and it's like you're like I don't know we're gonna do what can we do for him? There's nothing to do you just left the vault with the weapons here go in there What is rip? Go make something here you go I can't forget the fact that there's like you know I'm so my mind is just focused on the message that Barry has and I want to know what that's all about I keep forgetting there's just an entire arsenal full of like future tech space weapons in there Those could be useful like gosh.
I don't know there was something we could do if only we had some sort of like Super futuristic weapon type thing that he could use yeah, I know hey listen can you move that default neuralizer over there to the rough? We gotta go yeah So yeah, yeah, it's yeah, it's kind of interesting it's it's it's crazy how you know faster you can forget about all this You know, it's the message that Barry has not the weapons that rip has right we can forget about those aren't there are no weapons Yeah, so at this point we have Ray and Dr. Stein trying to find his on the flag make on the ship, but Jackson has decided to go and steal this True movements from a plantation and it's it's it's he clearly did not do his research on how slaves had to behave in front of white People back then and screws up immediately right by by by touching by touching someone and you know That's very big. No.
No, and so and him just being lucky. I'm sorry. It's never gonna happen again God like don't talk back to me It's like dude. I'm apologizing It's like what do you want me to do and of course they decide to chain him up into the was a Barn in order to punish him later with a couple other couple other slaves that were Slavy Yes, yes, yeah doing doing things that doesn't yeah, it shouldn't have resulted in the being chained up but this scene here was a really good thing because it kind of uh exemplifies the Gosh, why's my brain not working?
Despite the situation that all those slaves were in they were still able to be positive and to you know Just be joyous and sing and and that I like that they put that in there because like that You know it gave Jackson this kind of you know since that even though the in 2016 It's still not perfect and you know, it's probably it may not ever be perfect Who knows but you know just for him to see how it was just infinitely time, you know Infinitely worse in 1863 than what Jackson 2016 they were still upbeat because like that that's that was the whole thing It's like that we can't let them break it. We can't let them destroy us and I thought that was that was cool that was really nice to see and They use that in a good way to kind of you know because that was the thing that was happening back then is you know The slave songs the the gospel church came out of that barbecue actually came out of a slavery like just making the best of what we had Into not let ourselves get destroyed by this horrible institution Yeah, essentially what it was is you would have these cuts of meat that the white people didn't know how to cook didn't want to cook And so they had to feed the slaves and so it's like we're gonna cut all the best pieces of meat off of this animal And we're gonna leave the scraps for the slaves And so the slaves came up with innovative ways to cook them And that would be like really slow cooking and low temperatures to soften the meat and just make it freakin delicious So that was a pretty neat thing there And so this was this was a neat little in that one scene where we have Vixen come in and one of the slaves notices her amulet Yes, and it turns out they're from the same region of Africa. I thought that was super cool Yeah, like I didn't think about it at the moment But yeah, this is a I guess that title and that ambulance passed down generation to generation generation So surely in the 1800s there was a an equivalent that was protecting her tribe, right? Yeah, and I don't know why they don't call it the tantuton because that's what it's called in the book T.A.N.T.U.
totem it's a totem it's what they what do they call it in the show just the tote them? I think all of the ambulance go to the ambulance, okay? Now did they mention Tantu? I don't think so.
She the slavery noticed it. She knew yeah She used a different day for it entirely. Did she mention she mentioned a region? I think Right in the region, yeah, okay, okay, but I thought that was cool.
They tied that together, you know I did to actually well and I think they did that so it pulls her into you know It's because she had had that moment earlier where she's just gonna rush it and you know Yeah, just try to fix things like in that situation. You can't really fix that kind of stuff No the way she wanted to but and gosh, oh man like that that scene where they're talking about how one of the slaves got Tried to escape and they called him and you know what they did to him afterwards brutal. That's yeah And that crap actually happened like it's insane and you know so Jackson's trying to rally them be like hey guys Come on. Let's go we can get out of here and like no They cut off your manhood like I'm not down with that.
I totally understand that yeah But but we had the the one slave from the same area where Vixen was from be like not on a na na na na We got Vixen here. So we go. I'll follow you guys. Yeah, yeah So and this is the point where they break out they're running back into the plantation home and this was another There's another scene where I thought they could go and they could take the whole you know The safe route but it's dead they kept it real and that was the point where jacks in the slaves come into the plantation home Try to find the plans and it's being overrun by zombies and so jacks in the slaves are like hey Let us help you they're still willing to help right even though they've been under this they understand the situation They're still willing to do something about it exactly and they went the right route And they had a slave on her guy say are my slaves would you idiot and it's like well alright?
Because yeah, it's actually how you know how it would have been The slave oner first Yeah So we have jacks running into the building and he they they find the actual plans and then very Django and Shane burned down the plantation home. Yep, and get the plans out of there now what I didn't get. Oh, that's right That's right. That's right.
Okay, so we're gonna jump back now to the ship because this is where things get kind of weird Should we also talk about it and canary at some point? You know we had even talked about Meanwhile Crazy because that was the I guess we have the a plot which was the slavery line the B plot which was a zombie's and the C plot which was Canary and they I didn't really like I don't know if I just didn't follow that one as much what What exactly happened in that one like her whole thing was she doesn't like giving orders to let people die That's kind of what I picked up kind of what what that plot line just did not stick in my mind. Yeah, she didn't Yeah, she doesn't like Sending people to their death even though. Hey, she was a League of Sassan.
So I don't know that I think she's starting to care a lot more about her friends than just herself So I think that's why it was hard to be like jacks. Why are you doing this or you know? Why anything like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, what's like a doing need this part again?
Yeah, it was kind of like they wanted to give them something to do So they go and talk to you listen to us Grant to try to I don't know hold him off So they can get the dispatch and tell him what's coming and it just seemed like that's right. Yeah, cuz I Yeah, they just didn't know what to do I don't think what to do with them like all of a sudden I we got to have the horde attack, you know, we'll have the horde attack general Grant and you know And I like the general grant didn't listen to her like he's kind of like you're you know Nate had it right He's like I'll do the talking cuz you're a girl and then he can't do the talking Just like I'll be right back, you know if he says anything shoot him. I'll be right back. Yeah, yeah Yeah, cuz I felt kind of sort of rushed in there like in I guess when they were looking at the aberration they find out that The zombies overrun grants camp.
That's kind of what they're there for I suppose Yeah, but that one didn't have nearly the impact of the other two story arcs in my opinion And I think they could have done better having both of them on the ship with Stein and Adam and yeah, you know, okay We're trying to track the zombie down and four of us can't do it three of us with powers You know, they could have gone that route avoided this whole thing have Jackson deal They could have the zombies attack the free plantation and they blow up the plantation and you know left canary and Nate on the ship Right, right. Yeah, that kind of would make more sense because now we have an issue where you know Nate's gonna go and sacrifice himself to blow these zombies because they're running at an ammo apparently like a grants entire camp Just like ran out of ammo sure, okay, whatever How do you win that battle you're supposed to win when you spend all your ammo on the zombies true very true again? writing And I know like back then those those weapons weren't that accurate but didn't Nate or Sarah tell them to shoot them in the head Yeah, well, they said get the sharpshooters go get your sharpshooters. We need sharps.
Yeah, and grants like no we can't waste them Well great good idea good call. Yeah, yeah, yeah So they used the classic Jurassic Park distraction technique, which is to say grab a road flare has to be read And say hey over here and then run Yeah, so they use the e-mail to method and not Which the Alan grant method is the right method you throw the flare onto the box of explosives after you wave it in the zombie See it, right, right? Yeah, so they screw that one up However, this is the biggest plot hole this entire episode Nate runs onto the box turns to mr. Steelman sticks to flare into the box kills all the zombies on his exploits You know where is he is he lives he dead?
Oh, there's movement and then he gets up and he's fully clothed I didn't catch that that's true. Yeah Because you know they say show him turning into steel and his clothes are not steel and then he blows up and he's covered in zombie Guys and stuff like he was on top of the explosion on top of it Which I would think would mean that all the clothes we blowed off, but Exactly what's supposed to happen. Yeah, then again. They all had clothes on all the zombies still For goodness sake you can have a male take a shirt off and it'd be okay Yeah, you know show him from the waist up or something like that insinuate that his clothes were blown off because a it's funny and be it's what happens when you explode But yeah, so that was that was interesting a little a little tidbit there, but they defeat the zombies zombies zombies are exploited Uh the plantation home has been burned.
They got the plans Everything is going great and then Mick decides to make out with dr. Stein I don't think it was totally So apparently not right right So we have our conclusion is that it raises aerosolized spray works, but not immediately So like we mentioned earlier brings up the question of you know should they have tried to save all the other all the other people Nah screw them. I guess well, I think they said they said, you know, we've used this and so the only Confederate you'll face now are our live ones She said that okay. Yeah.
Yeah, definitely okay. So they did use it. I guess to stop it Stop a plague right. Yeah, but yeah, okay, so that's good.
So no more no more zombie comberates Uh, we got the the the troop movements taken to grant and jacks almost screwed up history and had a school named after him You know 160 years before he was born Decided to adopt the name of the original career. What was it no look career? It was uh Dispatch dispatch. Yeah, adopted the name of the original dispatch so that the timeline would be secured in school It was named after that original dispatch would be would be intact and uh, yeah, so Interesting episode overall But as the as the episode draws to a close uh, there's some things that that happen that uh really really we need to speculate about So and the most important one there, but uh, we get to see making and uh What's his name?
Ray there we go. God my brain is just as Just melting. I feel like it's right in my head. Uh, so so making right they have a a moment there where Ray's like oh I'm still woe is me.
I know I saved everybody with a zombie plate that I created in a couple hours That's super impressive But you know that the rate doesn't seem to care because all he cares about suit and then we see heat wave give ray captain colds gun Kyle, what does this mean? Uh, it means that ray will become captain adam cold captain cold adam absolute zero the speed or the temperature which all molecules not moving Captain up and adam Up and at them sick goggles. I do nothing That's a thing how Why why give him the gun? Yeah, I don't know.
I don't I don't like it Because once you see that cold is back He's gonna either a want his got back or be destroyed. Yeah I don't know how on board I am with this with this uh captain cold adam it's Maybe if it does some some future struggle like in where you know captain cold does come back and sees that hey Why is this the using my gun and there's some kind of uh, uh, conflict about that I can see that being interesting, but I don't I mean raise a genius He makes something else make your own thing. Don't don't take the gimmick of uh one of those beloved rogues of the flash You know, or already could use the components that's inside the the cold gun and start to make his own adam suit again Yeah, yeah, I mean I think freestathlete zero there's that's gotta be useful for something right? You can reverse engineer to you know shrink So, yeah, you know, it's interesting what if because you know when when stuck it's cold it shrinks What if instead What if what not not I'll bear with me here bear with me It's not ray using the gun to use the gun like a cold gun But it's gonna be ray using the technology in the gun to make instead of a dwarf star matter shrinking suit a Shrinking suit that shrinks because he gets cold You know what?
Oh g-science it'll work Yeah, oh g-science right no no it won't and I'll tell you why speaking as a fat man If I thought I could make my stomach smaller by just putting ice cube on it I do it. No, no, it only works in one specific region and this isn't that type of show He uses the first time he's like all right, let's do this he pushes the buttons and nothing happens and he's like oh I gotta go to the bathroom And he comes back out the suits in a dumpster like that's not that that was a terrible idea He's like it makes like double budget all-time backfires So so but yeah, well what do you think he's gonna use the gun or is he gonna like a harness that technology in it for some Purpose other than to actually just have a gun like what I mean because he's not gonna be the next capital because it's always capital Heatwave they use the guns it's you know the the fire and ice that kind of you know dichotomy and stuff there I mean what do you what do you think it's gonna? Why would make give him the gun if not to use it to as a gun? I don't know.
I think he's I think mixing that which Okay, maybe this might lead to Rey figuring out how to make the belt But I think at first I we're gonna see we're gonna see Rey in a parking next week. I'm telling you right now We're gonna see Rey in a parka. There's gonna be a parka and he's gonna be in it He's gonna try to be Captain Cold and the mix ago. I made a mistake I made a huge mistake Yeah Just give him the shoot given the belt given the ability to shrink.
What what is the problem here? See why are we giving him colds gun? Yeah Because it's not the piss off cold when he arrives, which is the only reason exists. Yeah gave him my gun.
Yeah, yeah Because I mean, you know, I was when I talked about this in the samurai issue or issue episode last week Uh, when he you know, Rey was caught in the explosion and I was hoping maybe that there's something with that That they would kind of hint at at the end of the episode where you know, uh, Rey starts to feel weird or something like that or maybe like Uh, his hands shrink Weird, I don't know but that wasn't the that wasn't the route that I thought they would go the That would be good running. Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean, I don't know I just I don't want Captain Cole to be replaced by Captain Adam cold or cold Adam or or whatever the heck they're gonna call him It's just I don't know I don't think that that's gonna be a good move unless he uses the cold gun and the technology in the cold gun to make the belt buckle to Give himself the ability to shrink maybe but just him replacing Captain Cole. You can't play skeptical That's first off. You can't replace it.
No and unless this has some conflict with Captain cold in a future episode I think this is a bad idea. I think that's where they're gonna go. I think it's literally so tactical to show up and go You gave him my gun. Why did you give him my gun?
That's the only thing I can be you know, it's it's it's ridiculous. Otherwise, I mean Yeah, there are there are problems. I mean, I love this show. I love broadcasting about it.
There's problems. Yeah Well, you know, nothing's perfect. I suppose you know, I mean, you also got to wait for the payoff to know But that's where all the speculation comes into play. Right.
Yeah, yeah, it gets people talking Yeah, yeah And uh, you know, I'm sure there are a lot of people talking about some of the the shipping it looks like they're trying to do In this episode a lot of relationships, right? Like and I know it's not my favorite thing about the show It's not my favorite thing about any of the CW shows, but a lot of people like it and so they're gonna put it in there and that's okay That's fine as long as I get my you know, I don't do science in my you know, super speed and my weird time travel stuff I can deal with some shipping but uh, there were several Two two primary ones that we're gonna talk about in a couple of ones. It's funny Dixon and jacks they seem to they seem to come together and have like a Touching moment there where they're from two different time periods and they go to another time period to kind of come closer together Kyle, you think they're gonna you think they're gonna blossom their relationship there? I think they're just gonna be friends.
I don't want them. I don't want any relationships on the ship ever again It didn't work out the last time doesn't need to happen again Will what do you think? I don't know. I think they're trying different things, you know, and I think they want to have that romance because you know arrow had it for a while and You know flash it's the key.
It's part of the flash's DNA So I think they keep trying to put like, you know, canary like canary and steel like she looks so concerned about steel You know, and it's like and let's not forget, you know, Stein and Mick had chemistry. So I'm just trying to make out with you I think it's like yes, you did continue. Yeah You're right, you know, it's I don't know if they're trying to throw in relationships because it's integral to a lot of the other CW shows Or in this particular especially canary and steel if that was just a plot device to kind of show her being reluctant to send people to their deaths and things like that That's true. That could be it But but I totally ship Stein and Mick man I think I think Ray and Mick might have Yeah, you know, it's kind of great Yeah, Mick Mick sort of you know, he drops his whole Stein thing and went straight for Ray when he's like, you know I've never given anybody anything before but This was my old boyfriend's gun and I want you to have it Hey Maybe this will warm up That just got awkward.
Yeah, yeah, this maybe that's what rip is he's messing around with kidding In the time stream something that's another thing we had seen anything from rep in two episodes Well, we had feedback on it. We had feedback on that actually Excellent. Well, that sounds like a good way to segue into our listener feedback bump in your ear feedback All right, well, what's our listener feedback this week? Well on our Facebook page which you can find on Facebook look up legends tv talk Ross see Campbell no relation to geller Rodeon and said the legend he wants us to talk about if the legends figure out a way to find rip hunter But they need the help of another time traveler giddy and very reluctantly takes them to michael john carter Otherwise known as booster gold who was rumored to be on the show I think this year and his robot sidekick And his robot sidekick skates voice by billy west which I enjoy and in their travels discover that booster is actually rips father Which is out of the comics so I like it.
It's an interesting idea. Yeah, yeah, so so basically uh, we need time travelers to find a time traveler Right and now we'll you were saying that that's actually from the comics the fact that booster gold is rips father. Yes So that would make sense that would make sense that that actually sounds like a pretty pretty pretty good theory there I kind of want to see it But the question is like when are they gonna be able to fit that in because we've gone three episodes about any mention of rip whatsoever They've only very slightly talked about the message that berry had Do you think the message berry had well he was talking about war or something like that? It's probably not to do a booster gold.
Maybe rip is trying to find his father and just let the ship. I don't know Oh, it could be a boat. Yeah But yeah, that's thanks to the feedback there rasa. That's actually really a really good really good theory there.
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