straight out of the timeline and right into your ears. I'm Bell. I'm Kyle. And I'm Marty McFly.
I'm kidding, I'm Will. And this is Legend of Stevie Talk. Well, we just went to the 80s, and that was a lot of fun. You can't have a show in the 80s without all these delicious references that we had, such as cocaine right in the first five seconds of the film.
And M.E.B. And M.E.B. I mean, that's great. How you guys doing tonight?
Are you feeling 80s tastic? As a child of the very, very, very tail end of the 80s, sure. Yeah. Yeah, I'd have to say I'm more of a 90s kid, maybe.
I mean, I remember some stuff. Yeah, I have a lot of 80s. I mean, I was born in 89, so I definitely don't know much of the 80s. So yeah.
Well, Will was old when the earth was young. So Will was the 80s. I'm charged up now. It's good.
What? Where am I? I thought it was all right. I did.
I thought it was great. You know, it's so weird because I do remember the 80s. I remember when I got elected. It's stuff like that.
It's like the costumes they want to wear now, and the things they dress up for Halloween. Like, you guys are going to know when you're old, when things you used to own become costumes. But it was great. It was good.
It was good. You go with your closet. You're like, what am I doing for Halloween? Oh, hey, look.
Here's a shoulder pad, crazy 80s get up. Let's just, I'll be crazy 80s businessman. I actually did that one when you're at it. I went as crazy 80s businessman.
Got like a pink shirt with suspenders and a little bag of flour, and just had flour all over my nose. Because everybody knows that there was copious amounts of cocaine used during the 80s in businesses. All in the world. You were the wolf of Bell Street?
Yes, exactly. Luckily though, I didn't have a Jonah Hill character asking me to do crack. Off of someone's buzz. I think we spent enough time talking about the glorious of the 80s, the gloriousness.
So maybe how about it's time for the history lesson? All right, season two, episode five, compromised, directed by David Geddes, written by Keto Shimizu and Grian Godfrey. Well, why don't you tell us what happens episode? When the legend strates the time quake to President Reagan's White House, they are shocked to discover their old enemy, Davian Dark, is now a senior advisor to President Reagan.
As the team works to uncover what Dark has up his devious sleeve, Sarah struggles with the choice of getting revenge or helping with the team's larger mission, thinking that the JSA members could be of help, Amaya Nate breaking to the JSA, and are surprised at what they find. Meanwhile, Stein tries to revenge his younger self from creating an eager, even bigger time aberration. Dun, dun, dun. So I have to wonder here, if the whole Damien Dark, working for the Reagan campaign, was kind of like the writers taking a dig at Reagan.
I mean, there's some people who like idolized Reagan and there's some people who hate him. That's just funny that one of the biggest bads in the Arrowverse is a cabinet member for Reagan. Well, I think he was just the most powerful person at the time. I mean, it was a pretty, you know, he was Reagan to do no wrong in 1987.
Well, actually, in 1987, he started kind of going a little bit. Let's rephrase. But yeah, so I mean, at that point, a lot of people thought dance he was running the White House, because he seemed to be just sitting on the front lawn and is under where looking up at the sky and counting rainbows. So, well, Alzheimer's is a terrible disease.
Anyway. That is true. That is true. So yeah, so Damien Dark is the time aberration here is that he's working for Nixon and that he's trying to break it.
Reagan, not Nixon. Oh, dear Lord. You're wrong, wrong, Daniel. You know what?
Damien Dark and Nixon might have gotten along a little bit better. Here we go. Here we go. No, Trump joke.
No, Trump joke. We're going to take the high road on this one. I suppose. There's a lot of dark non-high roads that we could go on.
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My brother, dollar. Have you made Gideon? Oh, Gideon. By the way, Gideon really needs to work on her coronal tracking techniques, I suppose.
Yeah. It seems to be like she can identify people that the plot needs to identify or find people that the plot needs to find. But not everyone. Anyway, that's a good one there.
So, Damien Dark, working for Reagan, trying to secure, it was a nuclear disarmament deal between Gorbachev and Reagan in order to limit the number of nuclear weapons that each country had so that we wouldn't blow each other to pieces. I don't know what the deal is with Damien Dark and his infatuation with nuclear missiles. But this guy, he loves them. He loves them.
What do you think it is? Why does Damien Dark like nuclear missiles so much? Well, it all goes, I guess, from this point in time forward to 2016 when Damien Dark wants to basically nuke the whole world and start fresh. So that's where they, at least from season four of Arrow back to 1942 of Legends, that's where his infatuation with nuclear weapons comes into play.
So, he sees the destructive power of this brand new weapon and it's like, you know what? That'd be a good idea to destroy the world with. Yep, exactly. Huh.
Well, that's kind of neat. I didn't follow season four of Arrow, but I kind of like how they sort of explain his motivation through another season. Through Sarah. Yeah, like, yeah, like through Sarah, through this other show.
That's kind of cool going into his backstory. You know, of course, we also see Eobard Thon, aka the reverse flash, show up at the very beginning when Damien is loading a large amount of cocaine onto boats. And we see that they're trying to, they're working in League with one another. And so I'm thinking if we're seeing Damien's backstory and the reason why he develops his plan to destroy the world, maybe we'll see some some some Eobard stuff here.
Will, what do you think you were going to see any of Eobard's backstory and things like that develop like we have with Damien? I kind of hope not. The key, the thing about Damien, he's done. They really ended him on Arrow.
They killed him. I mean, they may come back and all that, but for the most part, he's done. But I want to see my guy, I'm a son like Bo, Gee, first here we come. I want to see like, I want to see reverse flashes story on flash.
I want to see all of that happen over there. That's his universe. That's where he should be. That's, you know, this is kind of cool that he's played in the sandbox, but you know, I want him back on flash and, you know, doing it there.
Like I want to see a story there and what happens. I don't want to see it here because I don't think they're going to be holding to it because they can just change it anyway and say, Oh, we mess with the timeline. So this change. So there we go.
Yeah, I didn't agree with you. And we'll definitely talk more about that in the speculation time. But, but yeah, you know, it's you're right. I didn't think about it that way because, you know, arrows, he's afforded really follow it, but Damien's done.
He is gone no longer here. He's put all the other words for dead. So yeah, flash out this story I want because it's mainly been told. So yeah, we'll get back to this.
I think there's more there we can talk about. So anyway, Damien gets this fascist artifact. I guess, sure. Why not?
The symbol of fascism because, you know, if you're going to be evil, you might as well get a bunch of like, you know, evil governmental things to collect as well. And so he goes from this cocaine deal to working with Reagan like you do. Wow. Wow.
I don't know. I found that. I found that super interesting that, you know, he's going to have a way with. He brought the most jelly beans.
That's another thing too. I'm going to go over to care down this wall. That's my side. I'm sorry.
You know, I can't. I decided like Bob Dole actually Bob Dole. Bob Dole. I don't want to.
I don't want to. I don't have one arm. I got up a stage by door. Reagan smash.
Stop. I loved Reagan. You know, I wasn't really very political when I was six. Yeah, I was born in 84.
Reagan took office in 80. 1980. No, 1980. Yes.
He won against Jimmy Carter during his second term in 1980. I remember the inauguration. I was at my aunt, I was watching it on a small black and white television. These are things that are edited by PEPPER.
I can't remember anything hardly from my childhood except for very bad things. I have one of those. Okay, Bell, this is a safe place. It's a safe place.
Where did Reagan touch you? Went to the doll. I was invited to the White House. I saw a jar of jelly beans and I wanted some.
No one told me they were Reagan's jelly beans and Reagan was not happy with me. You're going to have to work for it. Reagan actually have jelly beans. Oh, yes.
He was a jelly bean fiend. Yeah. Seriously, jelly beans went up huge. Huge?
Huge. Yeah. Wow. Anyway, so.
So, so, uh, oh, look, a horse. You guys see Tropic Thunder, right? Yes. You never go for Reagan.
That's true. Never go for Reagan. Also never let a bat steal your quote jelly beans. Now we're Reagan's jelly beans.
Man, I was trying to. It was jelly beans. Yeah. I was trying to.
I was trying to. I was trying to. I was trying to. It was jelly beans.
You made jelly beans. So anyway, let's let's. Just a little bit. We're programming a PCR.
So we have a DVD dark. Yeah, we're just. Sorry, I don't break. I don't break care until the DVD commentary.
No, I don't. The DVD commentary. That's true. That's true.
That's true. So now we find out that the DVD dark is working for Reagan and they have a state dinner that they're going to be invited to. So the team decides to infiltrate it, which is like you do. And Vixen has the great idea of saying, hey, well, you know what, let's go to the JSA training facilities.
Let's check this out. Let's go get some of the contacts there. And so. Yeah, got it.
I wanted to training montage. I wanted to JSA training montage. It's an 80s themed episode. We needed a training montage and we did not get that.
Now I'm almost certain that Legends TV Talk is being written specifically for me, but with the exclusion of an 80s training montage, I don't know. I don't know anymore. My world is collapsed. So Vixen and Nate show up at the JSA training facility, which didn't look to be that state of the art.
Did the JSA have state of the art training facilities or were they filled with cobwebs in the comics? They had like a brownstone in Washington. So you know, they never really it wasn't JSA wasn't as secretive as it is here. So that was all kind of like made up for the show.
Okay. So but they did have bases in Washington, right? I mean, like, you know, they had they had a base in Washington and but I mean, it was always filled in like when the JSA wasn't around, I mean, they just kind of were, you know, in various places. We certainly never had anybody travel forward in time 50 years.
Yes. Yes. So and that's what we find out here is that when they show up to the string facility, it has been abandoned. Except for obsidian, who's hanging out, looking a little worse for where.
He does. Yeah, a thousand million years old now. And but he's still like a 11 hours. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Now, this actor, what else was he in Lawrence? Lawrence. He was in the area.
He was he was also in the alien and aliens. That's right. He was a robot. He was a robot.
Yeah. I was trying to pick I couldn't I couldn't figure it out for the life of me. I was like, we're ever seen before. We're ever seen before.
It was Lawrence. It's Lawrence. I can't remember. I am going to that right now.
Well, that was neat. Seeing vision. Another 80s, you know, action star in a show. Seven eighties.
So they figure out that the JSA. And Landtendrix, by the way, and I didn't look at it. Landtendrix. I'm serious.
I am D. well, boys and girls. I am D. well, for some reason, all this stuff is in my head.
Like I pulled Tavicton out of my nails last week. Yeah. Like where do you keep regular information? Like, you know, how many taxes?
My girlfriend seems to think I'm going to be a pride case for Alzheimer's. She's like, you remember too much of two lip of like just trivial junk. She's like, you're going to get Alzheimer's. I'm going to have to take care of you.
You're going to like pee in your pants. And so, so yeah, so we find out. Moving on. So we find out from Bishop, AKA Obsidian that the supposed friendship that the Nixon thought they would form, the US would form with Russia, did not happen after World War II.
And of course, with the Red Scare and things like that, the JSA was kind of complete. And so now they no longer hang out and protect stuff. They just kind of went away, which is shame. They actually didn't think die or didn't they disband right.
Like it wasn't in the 1956. No, they said in the episode they died on a mission. Yeah. Oh, they said that.
He said that he's like, they went on a mission and nobody came back. Why didn't you go? And he's like, well, and they were hinting at like, I think they were trying to go for a McCarthy angle on that. That's what I thought.
You know, for him being gay. So they were putting on a McCarthy angle and saying like, I wasn't to be trusted on this mission. So I think that's kind of where they went with that. So he was the one who got left behind and everybody died.
She said, you know, Sarah, or no, Vixen said she's like, well, we have a time machine. So I'm sure that's an episode. We're going to go and save the JSA. I mean, it's just, yeah, how do you not?
You know, I think that's kind of why we can get into this speculation. But I think that's why they brought up the whole conversation over the head last week, like he's starting this conversation about changing the timeline. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're absolutely right.
Victor Garber is kind of like, you know, Dr. Stein, I always call Victor Garber, I don't know why. I mean, this is real name, but his character is Dr. Stein.
But yeah, so, you know, Vixen mentions we got a time machine, we can fix something about that. But yeah, we got to Dr. Stein saying to Jax, you know, they're having an argument that we shouldn't be changing the timeline because we're protectors of time. We're not interventionists.
We're not supposed to go in and just write all these wrongs because there's no telling what we can screw up. And which is strange because they screw up so much stuff every episode that what difference would it make? Well, they're time janitors. That's true.
That's true. And you know, time janitors have a role too. And it's a very important role. And it's a role that, you know, I'm not going to be a time janitor.
And now that I'm in the White House, time janitors don't have a better life. Everything's going to be better. It's all going to work. It's going to be a beautiful time.
It's going to be a beautiful thing. Don't worry. It's going to be huge. And yes, I did do the finger thing.
I might get that. Yeah. He's seen the pictures of my photo shop, pulling like magician driven side of his nose. Like, because he's got the hand symbols, right?
And his hands are always in front of him. And he's pulling him in his nose. He should check it out. Anyway, so yeah, Stein, Stein just said that.
That's how president man. Yeah, he pulls him out of his nose. He pulls a lot of stuff out his butt too, but you know what? It's neither here nor there.
So we have, we have issues with the team getting kind of upset that, you know, maybe we should change things in time. Maybe we shouldn't. I don't know. And then we have Mick and Ray in the odd couple routine going and trying to like become partners and stuff.
And I don't know. Ray is not captain cold. Ray is not captain cold. No, he's not even Colonel cold.
No, no, he's not Colonel cold. If anything, he's Captain haircut. Kind of are kind of done with Ray trying to have these, you know, figure himself out. What do you think?
Like, do you, where do you think we're going to go with Ray? Is Ray finally going to, you know, become a useful dude or is he going to be Moby else? Ray better become a useful dude. I don't know.
I'm kind of over the whole, I don't know who I am on this team without my suit sort of thing. Who am I? Mick even said like, you're Mr. Science.
You can smash away out of anything. Like do that. You know, you're right. You have the brain.
I just do it. It's so do it. It's so do it. It's so do it.
It's so do it. It's so do it. It's so do it. It's so do it's so do it's so do it.
It's so do it. It's so do it. It's so do it's so do it. Yeah, he doesn't feel like he's at home.
So like, I mean, having to ever been someplace in like your phone broke or whatever, and you can use another phone and you can call up with some other idea. But you know, it's not yours. Yeah, I know you used to certain things that you kind of forget that there are other options out there. I can see that.
I can see that. Right. I don't I just don't think he's gonna I don't know what they're gonna do with him. I have to assume they're eventually gonna give him the atom.
Like they're just gonna make him the atom. Because if not, he is useless. He kind of needs to go. I mean, do something.
Yeah. And quit your whining. And I will say this though, did anybody else notice? I mean, we kind of joked about this last week, but Mick was all having a grand old time with Ray until he talked about his that Ray starts talking about his his life as a ladies man in college.
And up until that point in the conversation, him and Mick were having a grand old time, but the minute he mentioned that, Mick got defensive, he got upset. He started walking away. I think there's something to this whole Mick Ray shipping thing. Seriously, because like, look back at it.
He's like, well, I go ahead. Oh, yeah. Go ahead. I'll let you go.
You go ahead. And I'm like, you know, he's like, well, yeah, you know, I had a lot of luck with the ladies in college and stuff before I met my, and then he's like, no, I'm walking away. You know, you know, it definitely Mick and Captain Cold had a a bromance, like a total bromance going on. And so maybe part of that bromance wasn't talking about, you know, the chicks as you dated, because it kind of like lessons the bromance, right?
You know, it's like, you don't want to talk about your girlfriend, right, bros. And here comes Ray all like, you know, yeah, I was ladies man in college and I'm sure Ray was probably like, no, you probably weren't. At the same time, he's like, if we're gonna make this work, you know, no chicks. Like bros before hoes, I suppose, is, is, is, makes philosophy is what it seems.
Oh, dear. So, so yeah, so we have Nick and Ray having this little kind of bromance they have going on, which is, which is interesting. And so they go on the stakeout and they're trying to find what Damien's doing, why he's meeting up with this dude from the KGB. And then we have somebody we hadn't seen in a couple episodes, young Professor Stein.
He shows up and decides to ruin everything like he does. Kyle, what is running through Stein's mind when he's going to go talk to Damien Dark and tell him all this stuff without any sort of thought as to who else might be around him. Oh, running through Martin Young Martin Stein's mind is that he's a complete idiot and should know his place. And that his wife is more important to him than he was.
And he's not. Yeah, nice. Very short. It's, it's, I mean, obviously, yeah, yeah.
Obviously, you know, he had no idea at the time that Damien was was betraying the US and that the guy who was sitting with him was a KGB spy. But on the same token, he's talking about his transmogrative technology and all these different like national security things. Probably not a best idea to discuss that when there's another dude literally sitting on the same bench of the guy you're talking to without first being like, hey, who are you? My name is Martin Stein.
Oh, that's a neat watch. Perhaps I shouldn't say anything. I'm getting out of here now. You know, well, like, let me ask you this.
You are in the US government and you're in a very important role. And you see somebody who is wearing a watch that is commonly given to members of the Russian, you know, Russian KGB. Do you make mention of that? Or do you just be like, have a nice day and go?
What do you, what do you do? And that's, you know, it depends. I think, I think the way Stein's intellect works is he, and there are people I know people like this who are very, very book smart and start talking, but get nervous when talking. So they just keep talking and becomes like a snowball.
And literally they will have a stream of consciousness discussion where you'll be like, so I'm sitting there and I'm eating. And look at that. You're having a taco. I was having a taco the other day too.
It was really, really good. And then I drank a Dr. Pepper. Oh my gosh, Pepper on top of like spaghetti is the best way to eat it.
And now I'm really hungry. You know, is that a watch? You know, I mean, it just, it's how they work. And I think his intellect, the character that they built as he was when he was younger is that.
Now, I mean, the issue I have with him is more. I look at that and I look at the character they built now. I don't see it the way they've always introduced him from the first days on flash. That's not him.
You know, that's I don't see how he go. And now we're only 20, 30 years from flash. What changes? How does that change?
What happens? You know, it's like, it's too big of a, it's too big of a job. Well, that's a very interesting point. You know, I hadn't really thought about that.
He is very, very different from what we see him originally. You know, it's been so long since I've introduced him on flash. He's very different there. Now, I'm wondering, could this be something to do with the aberrations with flashpoint?
Are they trying to tie this kind of stuff together? Kyle, do you think it's something where they're going to explain it or at this point are they just throwing it to the wind and you know, the only people who really care are the ones like us who are paying attention and trying to like, you know, quantify all these timelines and things. What do you think? I think it's just us.
I don't think the writers are that too much caring about little, very little things like that. But I mean, heck, you changed little Sarah to little JJ in Arrow. So I mean, yes, flashpoint could be a thing. But from what I know, this, I mean, at least the older version of Marnstein and the rest of the legends were not affected by flashpoint.
So them, so the younger Stein being affected by flashpoint makes sense. But then you're jumping very, very quickly into different. And so, yeah, you know, you're right. So yeah, that's that's that's I don't know.
It's very different. And not have to mention anything about it. Always the conclusion that we come to is that Stein is like, you know, all your soap sets with this and you got to realize that your wife is the most important thing. That seems to be the recurring theme here is that Young Stein is so, so yeah, so it's interesting that they're changing Stein.
They're not really addressing it. But it's always the same conclusion that they come to is that his wife is the most important thing. And you figure like telling him telling the future version of yourself coming back in time and telling you to pay attention to your wife not once but twice would stick. So it's odd that it doesn't maybe Stein is just super infatuated with his work.
Who knows? Anyway, Stein gets stabbed, which makes, or Young Stein gets stabbed in the park, which makes Old Stein get stabbed in the ship. And so now they have to bring the Stein's back to get fixed by Gideon, which that's an interesting kind of thing. Kyle, here's my question.
Do you think that the stab that happened to Young Stein should have been a scar on Martin or was the bleeding like I'm kind of curious as to how the temporal effects would work here is because I'm a time travel nerd and I don't know if you've seen Lupo or not, but they do some pretty interesting things with like injuring your past self and affecting your future self. How do you think that was handled? I think it was handled properly. If he would, if he ended up just getting a scar before him being treated, I don't think it would have made any sense.
But I think they did. It worked out pretty well because present Stein never got stabbed. So when past Stein got stabbed, it created that ripple making it at the exact same time that Elder Stein got stabbed. So it makes sense.
I disagree. I disagree. Oh, wholeheartedly disagree. He should have disappeared.
No, no, he didn't die. He didn't die, but he would have died had they not like they hadn't yet come and fixed him. And again, they're outside of time, those two. Exactly.
So, so he makes stab then and then Ray and Mick getting to him in time. Wouldn't make him disappear, i.e. going to like back to the future. I think it should have until they picked him up because I mean they could have been like let's go get him.
Well, they were right there. Yeah, I know. And it's things like that. And then the conversation he has at the end, you know, it's like you wouldn't remember talking to yourself on a time ship.
You're creating a paradox. You are creating a new timeline. From that point forward, Martin Stein has seen the time ship and knows it exists. So how is it that Martin Stein of last year?
Yeah. In season one of flesh. Right. Exactly.
So none of this, it's a paradox is what it is because he can make that case all he wants. But then the minute Rips showed up, he should have been like, I knew this was coming. But at that time, I mean, but at that time he didn't know who Rips was. Like, but by going back into the past and interfering with his own timeline, he should have remembered that.
So I don't think I don't know. There's a certain level of time theory that goes that says, once you start interacting with your own timeline, it creates a separate timeline. There's just it's a separate timeline because you've never interacted with yourself before that point. So you have created a new timeline and the old timeline.
I don't know. It's always the go to it seems, which is kind of disappointed because they made some strides to have a point in this plot. I give rules to it and things like that. I think he's.
I'm singing Vixen from the 80s. I love the cutting crew. I love that. You need to work that in for the outro music this week.
You've got to go get the cutting crew. You've got to get all the eighties music in this episode for sure. But you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's weird that, you know, they try to do these things and establish these rules and these different time things. And then we see them kind of ignore them here and there and legends are so much fun that it doesn't bother me as much.
I would, you know, I would like to see some consistency here and there. But, you know, we don't get that very often it seems. So, so, you know, we have what we have. And, you know, the, the timeline I guess is fixed or not shattered by the puddle of, or not puddle of the ripple that, you know, it was time getting stabbed and then he's fixed and he's like, okay.
And then now they have to go and save the state dinner because they figured out that Damien Dark is there and he's planted a bomb and he's going to meet with the KGB and they're going to like, you know, trade some CD ROMs and stuff. So now we have probably the best part of the episode. All the legends show up to the White House and what music do we have? I'll tell you ladies and gentlemen.
Yeah. Do, do, do, do. So I'm kidding, well, again, I would. Thanks.
It's the greatest. I mean, everybody. I do 86 have it album in which case. I had the album.
You should have had that album. You should have had that album. I'm gonna. That was off the top of the soundtrack.
Right there. Those two songs. Take my breath. There's also the B-Cycle on the.
What do you think about dangerous? I'm not a strange knowledge of music to. That is another podcast which you can check on panel to screen. But when I review Dr.
Strange, I'm going to plug my own shows. You can pick that up on the special podcast. But yeah, so we have this really cool, you know, got to let the 80s go. They're all walking in with their, you know, prim and proper 80s business attire and.
And so my shoulder pads. Alright. So, so we'll favorite 80s fashion trend. Oh, it has to be the version pants.
I'm sorry. Members only jacket second, but definitely the pants. They were comfortable, man. I mean, it just kind of let things kind of be where we're going to go.
It's work. Yeah. Yeah. They just.
Never mind. I don't think there were more of a 90s thing. But starter jackets. Did you guys have a starter jacket?
Yeah, I think the starter jackets were 90s thing. I know the members, only jackets. My dad used to have one, but I think they're from the 80s into the 90s. It was from the 80s.
Yes. Yeah. See, I miss the members only stuff. So I had a lot of Oakley stickers and starter jackets.
And that was me. So I didn't really get in a lot of the 80s fashion trends. Thank God. They're on photos of me floating around.
And also, thank God there's no internet in the 1980s. Wow. Sorry not to take that personal though. We know I was a kid then anyway.
It's not gonna address myself. It's not gonna, you know, I would just blame my parents for their horrible fashion choices. But so, so yeah, so the 80s fashion choices aside, the legends decide to plus at this party and they're going to infiltrate this secret meeting between Damien Dark and the KGB. And so they show up and they're like stop bad guys and then what do all the bad guys with the guns who are standing right across the room From them do Kyle what what do they do more importantly when they not do They Just kind of standing there looking at one another and that's classic.
I guess so I guess so it's just it's So frustrating when you have a bunch of spat snacks dudes and a bunch of like secret service people and they all have guns and none of the legends Have a traditional gun, you know, Mick has the heat gun Ray now has the cold gun sure but none of them have traditional firearms and Using their own muscle and mites and everything which is cool. Don't get me wrong But How do you think they should have some kind of a guffin to make firearms useless to make it? You know less of a why don't you just shooting them right now? I I don't think so I think I think what they're doing is just fine There I mean as we later find out that no one is impervious to gunfire Well, except for him.
Yeah, well, I'll say for him Yeah, but um, I mean having having a Macguffin where what did you say like gunfire would be like rendered useless something? Yeah, maybe some you know it it have to be the thing is to have them a guffin that makes guns not work at some kind of distance When you're approaching your enemy is just as ridiculous as not shooting your enemy from a distance when you have a gun And they don't you know, it's what it's your damn if you do damn if you don't But yeah, so we see a fight fight break out the 55 so so this is great to so that before fight we have the they're trading off the item with the CD ROM which has will Was it defense? What was it? What did they have?
No clue it I was still just a base of like a CD ROM you just got CD players like last week How the heck you know what the heck a rob is well the Department of Defense knows how to open this well We were the Russians we don't we know what good. That's it We have no CD round we cannot read this. Oh, you give us well look it's fine ghost there, but I don't understand Yeah, yeah, I thought that was hilarious because like they mean dark like this is you know Department of Defense You know technology that's super advanced and it was a CD ROM and I'm like cool That makes sense, but unless Russia has a way to read the CD wrong They're turning away their little trinket whatever it is or something. That's about as useful as a coaster So did they show the trinket by the way, no, they didn't I was gonna ask I was really hoping they would but no They didn't here.
I thought it was like gonna be like a ring. Yeah, that's what I'm wondering Because we have the first one either did we From the JSA episode. Yeah, no, we saw that. Oh, yeah, you're right.
We did okay We saw that we saw the the fascist acts, but we didn't see what trinket they were handing off Yeah, so then we had two trinkets this episode But what I guess I don't know is Is the trinket that Damien got at the beginning of the episode the fascist symbol? Part of the same trinket set that Eovard is trying to collect with the second one with the Russians or these two different trinket sets And it is one pivotal to Eovard's goal and one is just a collection that dark is looking for I don't know will What do you think do you think these are two separate collections or are they all related? I think they're all related. I think it's all part of some master plan to get all these devices together to make you know Voltron and you know a trinket Voltron.
Yeah, just it's kind of trope and it's kind of like you know Can't you come up with something a little bit more, you know, but yeah, I mean I think they're all gonna be related And it's you know now their legends have one so you know, they may get all of them and be like we still have to go get that one We lost in the 80s. How could you do that? You know? I yeah, yeah, it's all gonna be one it's all gonna be one of the thing It's all gonna form some super weapon that you know is meant to you know bring Eddie back.
I don't know Yeah, how do you think that this trinket now that the legends have it is going to help them identify the other things that That Eovard and now Danny are looking for or is this just gonna be okay? We have this trinket. We're just gonna you know kind of ignore that we have it I Think that I think I don't know I have no idea what they're gonna do these trinkets Maybe it does lead them to for the Legion of Doom to have all these trinkets to like complete world domination and time domination But I for right now there's these trinket things aren't just out of place Yeah, it's just kind of kind of left field I'm not sure what they're doing with it so there's a confrontation finally Sarah has a confrontation with Damien and She does what I think is pretty pretty metal and tells him how he dies alone after trying to kill his daughter And his wife dying all this kind of stuff which I think is a fake worse than her just killing him right there That was that was pretty awesome and The legends you know they save the day and then we come back to the ship and we find out that obsidian much like George Michael in the 80s I came out here cuz you're oh, yes So he was fully closeted in the 80s faith faith. He was particularly like you like girls don't you can't go there He didn't come out till the 90s.
That's true. That's true. I'm at my door to my timeline. I'm sorry.
Yep Elton John you can go to there's there's Elton John. There's boy George. There's there's a boy George is I think you I was thinking Liberace little bit roger. I'm going to live a rachi though There's Axel Rose, you know any number of those guys Or was that he really?
We feel the need to tell you know that we do not believe Axel Rose is gay do not consider that slander Oh, who's listening never mind work good? Yeah, you know it's a roses in the podcast then by all means come on the show Yeah, my name is Bo York and you can find me in Mississippi. Okay, moving on moving on Now this is a question I had for you Well when they mentioned obsidian being gay is that something from the comics or is it a change that they made for the show? Yes, very much comics happened in the 90s It kind of hung around it.
It's it's always kind of been there. So yeah, like the minute I saw him and then he admitted he said well, I couldn't be trusted. I'm like, oh, okay moving on Yeah, I didn't think up on that I thought it was maybe because I thought it was a communist or something like that and of course They did label gays as communist because you know Liberace. Yeah, I guess But we have another you know one of the obsidians closing lines that he gave to vixen was that you know What a lesson said he learned that you send that that cute little Adam guy back in here like his butt Oh wait, no, that was the director's cut.
Sorry So so sitting stockinifix and you know one of the lessons that he told her that he learned over the years was that when you you Find somebody that you love don't You know he kind of sets up the whole thing with vixen where he's like, you know if you love somebody you can't you got You got to act on that right? You can't just let him slip by and so right You know, I gotta mention it because I know there it looks like it's coming down the road But do you guys think that you know in the mindset if you got to ship something right now? There's no shipping going on the show and shipping is is is about as integral to CW shows as white people So I don't know we went there they made that joke. They've made that joke.
I know they come so so that's safe for me to say But do you think they have a ship here between Nate vixen or Commander I don't yeah, it's gonna be steel. It's the Olympics and yes steel and Vixen. Okay, obviously so Kyle you agree steel and Vixen I agree, but I'm hoping it doesn't go that way just because we need to have Maari sometime Maari povitch Yes Maari mccade the classic the current vixen like the kitchen of our age Okay, okay Yeah, cuz I'm gonna weird like if they wind up if Nate winds up with the current vixen to updated that vixen's grandmother Sort of weird Anyway, no, I just don't I think they were I think what he's saying is like she has to go have a kid Like so Nate's from a different timeline. He's from a different era Yeah, so basically Especially since your time travel you would be able to see immediately that relationships not gonna work out right interesting Time travel shows and shipping that's just maybe that's why they haven't focused on it so much just because you know the outcome It's not gonna happen craziness exactly well.
I have to say interesting episode love the 80s But I think it's time for some speculation All right, well in the episode ends we have a fun and Damien dark We have a time pod that we haven't seen one of those since what season to a flash season one episode 23 season one episode 23 Thank you and psychopedic knowledge how It seems like he was just waiting for that actually season finale. It's it's where HD of our talks to Cisco about creating a time sphere and then HD of our does off the time sphere Rip hunter would be very impressed with you. That's true. That's true.
Yes, so interesting. We have not So Where are they going like we still really don't know anything about the trinkets We don't know anything about ea barts playing because it seems like ea barts the guys running the show Which I like I like it ea barts running the show because he is the best villain on all of them And I think he would be doing it, but I Mean like there's no clues as to where do we think we're going? How would you what do you think they're gonna where do you think they're gonna end up? I mean obviously we got some hints next week that it's gonna be Jonah hex, but what could be waiting for?
fun and Damien in the wild west or maybe they're going into the future they I think they're Back to the yes back to the future. I think they're gonna start recruiting for the Legion of Doom I think they're gonna start With Malcolm Merlin and then end up with Interesting they're gonna need a bigger type sphere, but hey No, actually, it'll probably be like in a villain's head's actual adventure when they just cram like everybody in the same Boom booth. It's just gonna be like 16 people cram in that one tiny sphere. I think I see you happen.
Yeah Well, what do you think? Yeah, do you think they're recruiting or do you think they're gonna be following the legends to the west or we can have another episode where we're not really dealing with the Legion of Doom at all and I think they're gonna hold off the Legion of Doom I think next week next week should be a a self-contained, you know, what they used to call and start a bottle show Like it's it's gonna be in and out one and done right there. They may bring rip back so that he's there for the for the For the what he call it the crossover, but the crossovers the week after The crossover starts the week after the crossover starts the week after Thanksgiving So there won't be an episode a week from Thursday because that's Thanksgiving So the you know this has to set up the crossover for them So I don't think so I think they're I think it'll be a self-contained if anything it'll bring rip back Okay, okay, because I think he's in the images too for that. So I don't believe so I don't think he's in images.
Oh, wow, okay So then it's up in the air as the woman happened. Yeah, I mean yeah, this could be as a filler episode or a bottle episode So yeah anything could happen That's true. I mean we know that the week after is the is the crossover so it has to be a self-contained I mean, there's no way it can't be right, you know, it has to be self-contained Especially since it sounds like a legend is gonna be the the climax of it I didn't want to let you have that moment. Um, I you know, it knew it was gonna that it's all gonna end at legend So yeah, it's gonna be self-contained They're gonna do what they got to do and fly the ship out and yeah, you've been skipping and welcome to you know crossover Interesting.
Well, that's some good speculation there. I'm excited to see what it's gonna go We have our crossover coming up soon, so that's gonna be good to see but you know in addition to speculation We also have some news. We don't usually get a lot of news for this show, but I think this is important enough to talk about This was Kyle you saw this earlier like today, right? This was announced I thought earlier this week that yeah that Legends of Tomorrow is getting four additional episodes So now the episode come for season two went from 13 to 17 interesting so So so yeah, you guys get four more episodes of us, sorry, but So but that's interesting now.
What does this mean for the series? Will what do you think is gonna happen with four more episodes that they couldn't you know, and initially when we have 13 I'm sure they plan for 13 and they have an idea where they're gonna do with 13 these four additional episodes Are these gonna be filler episodes or these gonna be important story episodes? I mean, what's what's the significance of getting four new episodes on a show like legends where you know, I'm kind of The shortest season I was kind of wondering that myself actually pretty for something like I have a club I was kind of wondering that myself. I was kind of like what I mean with four extra I mean, they you've got kind of to have a feeling you know, what's gonna happen next You know like they know where things are gonna go and they know what's gonna you know where they want the season end up I should say yeah, so now we have to push that out Do they you know what stories are they gonna expand on?
I mean, maybe they'll tell more JSA. Maybe they'll tell more, you know I'd like to see them go a little bit more around the DCU. I'd love to see them go to the Legion, but you know, yeah Yeah, I don't think it's gonna be More story to push the main storyline of the season It sounds to me like it might be something where they're gonna do some maybe maybe like two part episodes Maybe like you know self-contained kind of things. We got more you know stories that they can tell like you said with the JSA with other parts of the DCU Could be interesting could be interesting to see also things that were pretty interesting to see is the entertainment weekly photo shoot for the first teaser of the crossover Now Kyle this is something that you put in there.
What did you see like in that photo shoot? What was cool in that photo shoot? They had like the very first one of the very first pictures of Nate's in his commander in his sorry in his citizen steel costume so we get to see yes, he does which we also do see a little bit in the season to extended trailer for legends Tomorrow, it's a blanket if you look at are you miss it sort of thing? Okay, I'll have to check that out.
You know, I didn't realize they've done a photo shoot Entertainment weekly always gets those kind of things where these like exclusives and whatnot so that'll be that'll be neat to kind of just Pull some some tidbits out. Maybe maybe next week We should we should do a little section on that scene what we could pull out of that photo shoot Yeah, I'm actually this is one of the other table with his everything. I'm actually going by just because yeah, yeah No, no might as well right. Yeah, cool Well, unfortunately looks like we're at a time But if you want to keep in touch with us while we travel the time stream Here's how you can follow me on Twitter at ring that Bell spelled B-A-L-L I can follow me at Kyle Krousy 89 and you can follow me at WR Benson also You can email us at show at legends TV talk comm and we got a Facebook page as well So feel free to like us there at facebook.com slash legends TV talk I'd like to show check out some of the other TV talk shows super girl And while you're at it check us out our iTunes go ahead and give us a review We'll read it over here and don't forget you can download all of the TV talk podcasts on the sexual podcast player for both iOS and Android As always you stay classy You stay classy whales vagina Right for whales vagina, that's what Santiago is Wow I had to say that when I had to I had to I'm sorry From small T-verse Yeah, you might have to you should always keep the whales are trying to end whatever you do keep the whales which I'd end never go The whales were trying to but keep it in is good because you will never come out because I think no no no And I could speak from experience you should have seen my girlfriend in college