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Straight out of the timeline and right to your ears, I'm Bell. I'm Kyle. And I'm Jack Swagger. And this is Legends TV Talk.
Seriously guys, who writes this stuff anyway? They sound like a chucklehead. Where are you right? So...
I love me so much. Welcome to Narcissus and TV Talk, where today we're going to talk about how awesome we all are. Specifically Will. Yes, specifically Will.
Will. Let's make it about me this week. Okay. How awesome are you Will?
Well, when I look at the awesome meter, which I have created, Pat and Pending, it says I am awesome times Infinity Plus 7. So, you know, I have that going for me. Are you sure there's not a time zero at the end? No, I'm positive there's no zero.
In fact, when I built it, there was no zero. I decided that the idea of zero is just a concept and not really a mathematical reality. So you're either Roman or highly advanced? I don't know.
Rome if you want to. What? I just started saying it'd be 52 all day. Wrong, wrong, Romans.
Yeah. So you're probably Italian? I'm sorry, sir. I'm Irish.
No. Roman Polanski. Oh, oh my. Wow.
Wow, that just got awkward. So you said I should go on the run for child like, you know, child like, molestation charges and should move to Europe. Is this what it's like kidnapping? Yeah.
Yeah. Just don't something wrong. He did a lot of things wrong from what I understand. And now he is basically, I think he's on the run.
Maybe he's basically living in Europe with that extra time back because they're like pretty much everybody said, oh, he's going to be locked away for from now on. Yeah. He's basically hiding in Germany and he like he went in Oscar or something two years ago and it was like a big stink and maybe it was five years ago because he wouldn't come, you know, they were waiting at the airport. They didn't show up.
Yeah. The Trojan Oscar, that's what it was. Well, isn't that Felix? Nevermind.
We'll have a little later. We need to check out Kyle every time. I don't know. We're actually recording at, this is nine o'clock, 913 AM Central Standard Time, I guess, it's not daylight.
No, it's actually a day of time. Yeah. There's more daylight savings than standard, but for some reason it's daylight savings. Daylight savings is ridiculous.
We need to get rid of it. That's a whole other topic, but anyway, due to scheduling conflicts, we are recording very early in the morning. It comes off a little off. You know, no, it comes across a little off.
That's more words. See, it's already off. Yeah, we're already up. See, I'm awake.
I'm an hour in the future for you guys. So I'm like, I've had coffee. I went out of the trash for a dump. I mean, I've had a morning.
You wait until you trash the dump? Yeah, actually, like they don't do like pick up here. So I can either pay 40 bucks a month to have somebody come and do it or I'm like, I need to take the four bags of garbage I do to like the dump on Saturday myself and dump it for nothing. So I'm going to have to pick up.
Wait, you don't have trash pick up? Let's still. I live in a very rural community, dude. I think we're in Mississippi and we had trash pick up.
Yes, it wasn't a call to local bar. No, it was actually called the fire. Oh, we have a rim shot button. Now we just burned it all down the street.
Well, we do that too. We do a lot of burning here as well. It's kind of funny where the guy downstairs is moving out because my yeah, well, we kind of leaving and he's wrecked the house. Oh, shit.
Oh, yeah. I went down there today and I'm just like, they don't take all this stuff. I'm like, we're going to get a roll away dumpster. She's like, Oh, no, no, no, honey.
My dad will do because he's he's the already skiv it to us. He's like, but what my dad will do is he'll come here with a backhoe. We will take a hole. We'll put everything in it and we will cover it.
And I'm like, wow, we're basically going to make our own landfill. Like I have in the country. You know, we're in the country. There are no regulations.
We're going. We don't need roads. I need roads, but we don't have. We're going.
We don't have roads. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Welcome to my nightmare.
Well, I did put on Facebook today though, like one of those auction sites. There's a guy who's offering to do snow removal with a flamethrower. Interesting. I kind of want to hire him.
He's like 150 bucks. I have no insurance and I do not guarantee against property damage. I'm just like, there's a part of me that just wants the Facebook live of a dude with a flamethrower doing snow removal. It's just laughing maniacally the whole time I was doing it.
Yeah. Well, yes, Kyle, are you still awake? The answer to that is no. Good.
It's more me. Kyle, are you awake? I'm awake. I'm alive.
Sorry. I had to check on the old pooch. Yeah, see, Kyle's coming back from third shift and so he's like struggling. He's the biggest trooper of us all right now.
He's like, it's like he's drunk. This will be great. No, I'm going to say crazy things. Honestly, if I was drunk or hungover, I would not be doing this.
Oh, I would. Yeah. Well, okay. I would have gone first.
I'm going to do that on Flash TV talk. You know, Bell. Yeah. Hashtag professionalism.
Hashtag. We don't have sponsors. Yeah. Hashtag hashtag.
Let's just say no. I'm not going to do it. Alright. Well, I think we've rambled enough to the poor audience.
Yes. Please don't be the haven't looked off yet. Yeah. So now we're actually going to start talking about legends because I think it's time for history lesson.
And now, let's listen. It's time for history lesson on legends TV talk. Thank you, Vivaldi. That's a Vivaldi or was it?
Yes, Vivaldi Spring. Very good. You can get points at the Music History category. Five points to the Gryffindor.
You have control of the board. Alright. New episode 14, Moonshot, directed by Kevin Mock, written by Grand Godfrey. Will, why don't you tell us what happened during this episode?
When the legends track Commander Steelton NASA headquarters in 1970, they learn where Nate's grandfather hid the last fragment of the Spear of Destiny. The team notices a time aberration during the Apollo 13 mission and believes that the Legion of Doom might be evolved. As the legends journey into space to intercept Apollo 13, the wave rider suffers massive internal damage and raised life is left in jeopardy when he's stranded on the moon. Meanwhile, tension but grows between Rip and Sarah as to who the leader of the team is.
Now we're in the sentence with a preposition. You're a federal officer. Anyone that's named him? You have a dangling participle.
I'm sorry. Anyways, Oscar De La Hoya? No, did you ever see the movie Oscar with Sylvester Stallone? No, probably not.
Okay, long story. You need to look, it's Stallone trying to do comedy. Oh, wow. And it's great because Tim Curry's entity, Kites feels the movie he talks about a mobsters dangling participle and then there's a joke which you can write yourself about a dangling participle.
Excellent. Anyway, so yeah, what were your guys' overall impression of this episode? I actually enjoyed it. There's some very glaring issues that I had that we'll talk about here in a moment.
But overall, I think they seem to have gotten their stride back with the camp and the things like that. And I overall thought this episode was pretty good. Kyle, what about you, man? Yeah, I enjoyed it a lot.
I mean, I like the whole aspect of space and I like the Apollo mission. So it was a really interesting take on everything and I loved what they did with or what Commander Steele did with his piece of the spear. It makes a lot of sense. Yeah.
But no, no, fictional. It makes a lot of sense. Yeah. It makes a lot of sense.
Tomorrow, it does make sense. Like what Commander Steele did with his spear. It sounds like a lot. Hey, we're trying to be hashtag professional here.
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My field is information technology. I don't do it. I don't get it. I don't get it.
But no, I like to this episode a lot. I kind of got to give them credit for, you know, if they're going to choose a Apollo mission to do, doing Apollo 13, which, you know, let's face it, we've all seen the movie, you know, it kind of automatically gives you a like into the episode. Like everyone can kind of feel like they're in the know about what this move, you know, what this was about. So they could skip over a lot of the technical jargon and why they're going around the dark side of the moon and all that.
They got to skip a lot of that. Like they use Apollo 13 to kind of pre-set up this episode. I think that's genius. Yeah.
But Apollo 13 is like an old movie comparatively, you know, everybody's, it's on like every Saturday on some TBS, TMT, AMC, Wannabe station, if you think about it. Yeah. How many times have we all seen? They got to say Houston, we have a problem.
You know what they were talking about. Yeah. I mean, everybody pretty much knows that Houston, we have a problem thing. So and probably because of that, that's why they chose Apollo 13 and not something like Apollo 1.
Well, it's that would be. Apollo 1 would be really hard to do. Yeah. I never really left Earth.
Yeah. Sorry, Virgil. Yeah. That would be because I was trying to think about other, you know, Apollo missions I could have over there, I mean, because everything else.
They could have just done the moon landing. Just done the moon landing? If you think about it. Yeah.
What are they aberating on that though? Yeah, exactly. Like they had to create the separation so that, so they had to do 13 because after the moon landing Apollo 12 and 14 through 17, I mean, they were just kind of, you know, they really just, they were sleepers. I mean, aside from the fact that we went like 350,000 kilometers to the moon.
Hey, I'm not saying that that's how it should be. I'm just saying that that's how it's perceived these days. Isn't that crazy? You know, we go to the moon and it was like, oh, I'll grab the moon and then like, oh, I'll go up to 60.
Who cares? If I was in life, I'd be like, I want to be a astronaut. But since I had a space shuttle growing up and one of them exploded when I was a baby, I was kinda like... Can get that on reentry.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was not when I was a baby though.
That was... No, that was about 12 years ago, I think. Yeah. I'd love to go with the space, but yeah, it's too expensive.
Too much work and I don't see us going to space, any time soon. To give you? Yeah. To what?
Kyle, your back. We lost it for a second. It was too expensive too. Oh, it's too expensive.
It's too much work, and we're not planning on going to space any time soon. I still have that mission because I mean this will be tougher to do. Oh, yeah. Well like delay as we try to record That would be interesting so any who back to the episode we have a situation where Paul 13 has not Gone the way that they anticipated it which was bad because the action to take explodes Everybody knows we're talking about you know Paul 13's kind of the preface of this episode So everybody pretty much every every American I would say at least would know that that story just because of the movie and because of you know The huge and we have a problem kind of thing so yeah, they're kind of surprised to hear that everything's going in flying colors So that's how you get tipped off that there's an aberration here and what we figure out is that Ibar Thon has taken the place of Jack Swigert who is now dead RIP Jack Swigert Because I mean that that's that's the only evidence that we have previously is that the only other time this technology has been used The space swapping stuff that the reverse verse flash you are thon has the other person wants to dead So I think he says that I he's like you know that they have to die for him to get another code So yeah now that was a flash there's been some right kind of things that we'll talk about in just a little bit But so that this causes us an issue we have the team is split basically into three We have a one-man team of Ray who gets on to the the Apollo command module and the limb the leader Ascent mark no the limb.
We call it the very excursion module. We're excursion module. Thank you. Yes And so yeah, so yeah, so Ray is over there We have Jack's Stein and Rory are in mission control and everybody else is on the ship and so that's number three plot points the Main stuff I would say I don't know there's kind of three three things I'll say the main the most important ones and stuff that happens in the limb and stuff happens on the wave writer because most of the time Commission control is being spent as a distraction, which we'll talk about that in just a second But yeah, so we talked to the commander steel original commander steel not the Nate commander steel And he tells us that he hit his fragment of the spirit estimate on the moon Which is you know, it's a pretty pretty damn good place to hide it if you ask me I mean what if Kyle if you had to hide a piece of the spirit destiny where would you hide it I would Kyle Yeah, we're wiki eggs and bacon here So if you had to hide a piece of spirit destiny, where would you hide it?
I I would probably hide it on the moon But I'd probably do it maybe on the lunar module in like just be the lake Someplace a little bit, you know not as conspicuous. Yeah, yeah, but I mean you know I was like mess up with the flag I don't know, but I think the moon is a pretty pretty good hiding place. Yeah, not not too many people go there It's not it's not easily accessible and No, there's no atmosphere so I will say it's not exactly future proof though Just because you know, I'm sure eventually in the future people will be going to the moon and although I think it'll probably turn the lunar landing site into like a resort. Yeah.
Yeah, so I know it's gonna be touching it anyway, so No, Dr. Jones you So we'll wear would you hide the spirit destiny, oh what a loaded question I think we're fine. I mean really they were never supposed to find it, you know, no one was supposed to I'm kind of like There's no place to hide it because apparently if they could find it on the moon they could find it anywhere Yeah, you know, I think you know, it might even be better just to put it on a rocket and just shoot it out of the solar system Yeah, space is so big it'd be so hard to find that yeah, but then again You bar would show up and be able to do it because you know he's from the future. What did you put it on the Voyager probe?
Oh, see that would be genius because I mean that that thing's like way past the orbit I mean like an oort cloud now or something. Well, when did it launch when did it went in a 70s it was a little bit later So he would have had to hold on to it for a while. Yeah, yeah, and then we couldn't have you know race a huge of a problem Right, I like putting it in the flag I thought it was a worthwhile, you know, place for it And I think it allowed you know, they had to put it someplace where we could then have the quest to go get it So that's better than you know, yeah, where I would have it Yeah, so yeah, and this is this kind of interesting situation because yes We have the team split up in three places But we also have one of the team members with the villain Iyabar Don who is on the the lunar Apollo 13 mission because he wants to go retrieve the spear course and this causes like a really weird scenario where the they end up getting in a fight Iyabar separates the the limb from the command module in order to make the descent to the surface they get to fight and this is where I have The biggest issue with this episode And it starts on something that I think they they thought of and but they didn't think hard enough about it So if you guys remember from season one of the flash when Barry is fighting reverse flash one of the tactics Is to fall that season two is that season two that's yeah, it's against zoom. Oh, okay.
Why don't you think that season one? Anyway season two against the zoom Barry decides to fight him in freefall now the interesting thing about this is because they're both falling at the same rate Gravity effects in the same way. They're both a similar size. So when resistance is in playing to that Barry can't or zoom can't run away From him so they're both in the same place now.
They can fight on an equal footing, which I thought was extremely ingenious way to Fix the speed gap. I thought that was super cool. Now. You can still punch super fast.
You can still kick super fast You can headbutt super fast. You can sneeze super fast. You do all kind of stuff because you're still speedster But the you can't run faster when you're in freefall Right. Yeah, they took that idea because essentially the microgravity that you experience in space is you're just freefall You're you're falling towards the earth But you're falling so fast that you're currently that you go around the earth instead of falling towards it And so because that you're constantly in freefall and that's why you There's also constant Tom Petty playing in space It's they say in space no one can hear you scream, but that's because the Tom Petty is too loud Yeah, so you're constantly in freefall.
That's why experience my gravity So they took this idea and they went with it But they went way too far with it now Kyle, you know in the episode they decided to fight and it's like oh, you know Speedster speed doesn't work in zero gravity. That's that's not the case because like reverse. Why should have been able to speed punch him, right? I mean Yes, and no, I kind of want to say no We know we really do we really know how a speedster works in zero g physics If you know if you what causes a problem when you get hit is the fact that you're standing still, okay?
It's the impact however in zero g if you hit him. He will also be flying back. Yeah, so it I kind of got that I'm like, okay, he's gonna move. You know, it's kind of like swimming Have you ever tried to hit somebody in water?
Yeah, but see here's my here's my issue with that What I would the way which they would have you know, it's a vibrate is handed snap into the chest There's also two things that you could have done. It's like you can't vibrate There's nothing everything is in motion if there's nothing really relative You might be going a little bit faster and if he tries to vibrate through as he vibrates the way the physics is gonna work He can end up vibrating the the limits self at the different frequency causing it to change with him See there's no gravity what I was thinking they should have done is like he tries to speed punch But like he punches them a couple times and just they just knock each other away Right, right and so then they bounce off the walls They come back and he realizes that using his powers in zero g isn't as advantageous as he thought But what they just said was is that oh and zero g speeds their powers don't work Yeah, and I think that's what they meant I think they were trying to dumb it down for you know and avoid the That would also be an expensive effect right away. They could just say yeah, he can't do it. Okay.
Yeah I don't know it seems to just gloss over it and I kind of made mad because I wanted them to not gloss over that and address that Because I thought it was such a good job in the in season two of the flash coming up with that explanation And here they just kind of like abuse it. I think I don't know. Yeah But so yeah, the issue that we have is in that fight the Lim is detached from the command module. So now they're on the dark side of the moon They're coming down and Ray has to land the the lunar module And remember this is a guy who is you know a corporate?
CEO guy scientist superhero guy and not a former fighter pilot or has any experience whatsoever With piloting spacecraft so all things considered. I think you did a pretty good job putting that ship down. I Mean well, he didn't crush it too badly. Yeah, he did he bent one of the legs a little bit it seems But the bigger issue here is that they're on the dark side of the moon a lot of this is happening So there's no radio communication because you know you have a line of sight and so you can't see the earth radio waves can hit the earth blah blah so when I come out of that though, they're about you know The issue is that you know mission control can still talk to them.
So if mission control here is someone who's not Any of the astronauts that are supposed to be there? Because you know the world's watching right right so we have one of the more legends the moments of Legends occur and that is where dear friend of the show Victor Garber a. K. A dr.
Stein a K a the guy Oh, you know what I need to make this job work. Yes a K a Hey, he left the ship today. He left the ship but you can go outside To have yeah to have done outside to get into that building. Yeah, maybe not maybe drive a Jeep into the building Yeah, he's gonna cannot be around the Sun.
I really think so he cannot do location shots outside again Jesus vampire I mean we'll find out next week. So so so not only Easy is he a Jesus vampire? He is also here in El Fante because he decides to invent the song banana boat or day oh as a distraction to Wait, no, hold on. He didn't admit the song.
It's a song out. Yeah As a British tradition as it says Because for some reason I was thinking that that song didn't come out yet, but no it's in the 70s that they were Yeah, okay, Harry. It's Chuck. You know your cousin Chuck Bellifonte.
You know that's do sound you've been looking for Yeah, because I was thinking that the banana boat song came out after that but no it was before that how great would it have been if they Had done a reference like that NASA and heard this British dude So yeah, that was great we had Victor Garber and good old Dominic Purcell aka Chuck and Harry Bellifonte Singing dayo in the middle of the National Control Room For a guy who can actually sing a big driver has a really good voice, but yeah Yeah, I think his way just like Works for make for sure Yeah, that was that was humorous and that was written in 1956 by the way. Yes, 1956 by Harry Bellifonte been at about song in parentheses dayo But yeah, so while Victor is singing or sorry while Harry is singing. I'm sorry while Dr. Stein is singing while the space vampire is singing While all of dr.
Stein's personalities are singing the song Jax is able to sever the communications between the the the the orbiter and Houston so that that way they don't hear the fight or the ensuing death of These guys on the lunar descent module, so This was interesting my first thought was that who didn't tackle you know, Victor Garber and be like hey Stop singing. We have massive stuff to do, but or just interrupt him. Yeah, but shut up But yeah, so they actually pull the attraction off and so now that the communications are severed and we have an interesting situation So the reason raised able to land the modules because he ends up beating Eobard a speedster in a fight which like you do I suppose So yeah, so he beats and ties him up and I landed on the moon But because the the landing was rough because Ray has zero experience piloting spacecraft and by the way I guess Jax is like a time engineer. He knows everything about every system from every point in history Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.
I mean, it's yes, it's all just wiring and he is sort of a electrician slash mechanics slash he works on cars I guess he can know how to get around a NASA system Yeah, you know, that's kind of what I'm thinking is that perhaps His real superpower is that anytime he sees any kind of system whatsoever. He instantly understands it. Yeah Yeah, so anyway back to the moon We have a situation there where Ray is stranded so and they really don't have a way to get off because One of the things that happens and this is another reason why I was mad at this episode is the since they're the Set module and the command module separate the command module kind of gets you know thrown off a course Just slightly and so the wave rider goes picks it up with its tractor beam But in one of the worst tropes ever in science fiction a rogue meteor storm For some reason is in between the orbit of the earth and the moon. There's just just a pack of asteroids just orbiting the moon or something I don't know Yeah, and so there's much as it's coming towards a wave rider and so This is where we get some tension between driven Sarah because Sarah now is acting as captain and she decides to put the wave rider in between The command module and the asteroids to protect it because you know the wave rider can survive and direct nuclear blast Right outside the whole rock stone at it.
Oops. We lost guidance. I know right Anybody else was that just me? Yeah, because the wave rider is the ultimate Macguffin.
There's a lot of Macguffins in this episode first Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's the lots of Macguffinage to whole meteorite storm thing. No, that doesn't happen I mean, there's a lot of meteorites at the earth sure over the course of time like in the course of the day There's like a ton of space debris, you know, but it's the microscopic space debris. There's just you know, there's a lot of it about So yeah, so basically what happens is the asteroids Which don't be looking to be traveling at orbital speeds by the way bounce off the wave rider Apparently harmlessly but apparently not because they had to make tension and draw them in the episode And it causes the wave rider to be damaged to the point where they can't go pick up a race So now we have him go for number two of this week and that is E of Art Thon So I kind of did like how they did this one because race and he does a space walk He goes and grabs the spear and he comes back and he's talking to the legends And they're like sorry, right? We can't pick you up.
You're gonna be stranded and so Ray decides to do his best Martian in person in personation By Matt Damon the Martian I'm sorry we ran out of time for Matt Damon this week, so he'll be on next week. Yeah, so what's up? Next week I love their feud it's hilarious. Oh, yeah But yeah, so What's funny about this one is that the legends got picked up in 2016 Andy weirs the Martian came out 2017 and Ray was came out in 2016 oh did it okay last year.
That's right. I think I'm a last year But they got picked up before that though plus time shift Yeah, I guess Gideon just has like a feed on all the movies. Yeah, because she could just pirate them from the future Once they've already got it. What do you mean hiring because it would have already been out?
Yeah, I mean, yeah, so Gideon allows Ray to see movies in the future. Exactly Yes, okay, so he makes superman returns I Thought it was kind of funny that Ray has played a Superman and one of the worst Superman movies involves the moon And I kind was hoping that Ray would find an elevator like smashed into a crater He finds an elevator on the moon And I think 15 minutes of a fight with him and that's on guy wait no that would be a chicken episode family guy Oh, man, what what a movie I watched that one too long ago God help again. I defy you guys to do a rose color retrospective on that I'll see before I do I love that movie as I was a kid That was like the first Superman movie that I saw and then I saw I saw Superman 2 and I was like this was much better Wait, I was fan for stick. I said you guys cry we could not do a retrospective out Yeah, that one, you know, I would have to take a lot of a lot of that oxytocin Well that too what the drug that makes you the love drug or whatever that makes you feel like I don't know Yeah, one of those Like a brain chemical that you know makes you feel close to people oh It's like it's they call it the left him.
I'm gonna Google this. Let's see here TV talk about your body you got hair growing in strange places That's normal you're 50 in your ear then it's normal but sad and it sucks. Okay, so so there's two Yeah, so serotonin is one of them, but oxytocin is the other that's yeah So yeah, so I would have to take a lot of those two drugs and then a lot of other drugs in order to do a review of Josh Chang's Fan craps dick Anyway I was gonna retrospective is here are the credits We're done. Well the thing looked cool done.
Yeah, yeah So yeah back to let you talk we have Ray who is doing his best Andy Weir's Martian impersonation and Eabart calls him out on it Which is funny and then yeah, we have our next Macguffin element of this episode and that is that Eabart himself is Macguffin Because it's hilarious to me that you know, I remember you know, you learn stuff You know we and I say we I mean, you know people living in the 21st century We learn stuff in elementary school that you know 200 years ago people Our age would not have just known just period just wouldn't know because it's you know, it's tough. It was either like, you know advances Education wasn't there whatever Running with that trend Eabart is like yeah, I learned astrophysics in grade school So you know because he's a super scientist in the future. So yeah, of course He's got this, you know great knowledge that they can use and so because of that They figure out a way to jury rig the dwarf star matter in a race suit, which does that mean race not gonna have a suit again? No, I think he has a suit.
Okay. Good. I think he's got you know, didn't he get a bunch of dwarf star matter somewhere Oh, that's true. You got it from the Wild West.
Yeah, well I blew it up We can look you wild wild west it was it was one of the it's it's in one of the containers that uh Commander Steel sat on that specifically said radioactive material Yeah, nice. Wait, was that part of the material that flew out of the cargo? I think so So yeah, so yeah Yeah, why didn't he hold on? The door out or did it just he's supposed to have some superpowers right couldn't you just open the door for a little while?
I think it's correct. It's shut the door. I don't know. I don't think Commander Steel has any superpowers I think he's just a really cool soldier guy.
Yeah, he's like a Joe. Yeah, well, don't although this is a different I've got this a different take on the commander steel of old Yeah, right because he was made of steel like on the inside was a cyborg. Oh, yeah Yeah, so so yeah, so they figure out between the two of them between Eobard and Ray how to use the dwarf star matter to To launch the ship back up and get back there So I guess we should mention the whole time here commander steel I was working at NASA so that he could hide his piece of the spear on the flag for Apollo 11 and he's on the wave rider with them To help with the mission and so they get Nate back on there I'm sorry they get they capture Eobard and they get Ray and they're all back on the way brighter, but they're in dire straits Just because you know the navigation is gone. They're gonna they're falling into earth gravity well We're just gonna burn up in the atmosphere unless they can figure out a way to do it And they figure out a way because Eobard again knows the proper descent angle into their atmosphere So that won't let them this is another thing that I appreciated because when you're dealing with like atmosphere for injury You know if you come into hot You'll burn up if you come into shallow you'll basically skip bounce off the atmosphere and then you'll just be in a you know Solar orbit maybe depending on whatever the dynamics they may actually touch on that which I thought was pretty cool So Eobard knows the correct entry angle because again super scientist from the future my Gotham man He says it he's like no no no.
Aster navigation was taught in grade school. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, and so now we have some arguments between Sarah and rip first off with asteroids because rips like you know They have a little spat saying you know you drop this off in front of a nuclear bomb It's like at least the time strategy first it's like you time scattered me into a period where they're gonna kill me because I was a witch and So okay point taken that was kind of a kind of a douche move there Rip but uh But yeah, so now we have the situation where they're gonna go into orbit But the issue is and this is another reference to the Martian They're gonna have to vent the cargo hold in order to correct their attitude and I don't mean Eivards, you know spicy. I'm going to kill you all attitude.
I mean the attitude of the ship That was a terrible joke, which is also by the way a plot point of a great episode of Star Trek next generation when they were stuck in a causality look oh so they just like vented something and Well, originally they were like you ever see the one way they kept for you live in the same moment over and over Because Riker said use the tractor beam and then somebody was like vent the cargo bet the shuttle bay and it should push us out of the way They kept trying to use the tractor beam and they kept blowing up the ship. Oh interesting If you haven't seen it's awesome. I think it was like season four or five it was coast I guess our Kelsey grammar. Oh cool.
I was the next generation TV talk. Yeah So so yeah, so using another page from the Marshall playbook There's a couple of March references in this episode they decide to event the cargo hold But the only way they can do that is is somebody pushes the button from the inside so that's a very very weird design Idea it's like let's let's make it so that the only way to vent all the atmosphere in the cargo hold into space is to have someone push the button from inside the cargo hold Yeah, Kyle if you were designing a spaceship and you wanted to vent a Compartment of set spaceship. How would you design it? I would not do it like that One would be on the other side of the door.
Yes, and I'd be in safety. Yes I think that makes or or I would have my future grandson who can turn into steel and You know survived most things. Yeah, yeah Maybe just gonna lay this out there two buttons one outside maybe you do want one inside maybe just in case You like to be open the car go big door from inside the cargo bay. I get it You have two buttons, you know, maybe you know what put one on the bridge there you go.
Yeah This button here if we press this it opens the door we can do it right here Yeah, I have a thought on why they did that though I mean we can talk about that later on but I've got a thought as to why that happened. Is it more speculation? Yeah, okay? Okay, but keep going.
Yeah, so so yeah, so they end up having to vent it That's the only way they can get the correct attitude the ships so they can hit the atmosphere without skipping off or burning up and so they end up landing and now we have a situation where there's a speedster who now has a gravity well in which to operate on and Ray comes in with an anti-speedster weapon and this weapon points at earbud and the e-bord makes a revelation that Hey, you know all the anti-speedster stuff. I made that Which is interesting So I'm wondering at what point did he make anti-speedster weapons was this before he was reversed flash or is this? You know after he became reversed flash in order to fight Barry with Kyle do you think that he would have made these beforehand because he's obsessed with Barry Allen as he worked on or Would have made them in order to fight him after he became reversed flash It was probably beforehand Because why why would you want to create a weapon that could effectively hurt you in the end? So I think it was before he became a reverse flash.
Yeah, or maybe it's something to No, no, it wouldn't be something for Barry because you bar wants to become just like Barry so it was So it's made it's made just a hurt speedsters and so he became He created this before he became speedster. That's all that means. Yeah. Well, what do you think?
That's my head. Yeah, do you think it's it could be because I'm trying to figure out why he would say that Do you think maybe it's also possible that the weapons and he created it wouldn't affect him? I don't know. I think he's just I think he's just talking.
I mean at that point he's worried about you know Black flash locking on him. Yeah, so you know, maybe it's like, you know, don't even waste my time Don't try you know if I had if I had a you know Demi God like divide, you know plot device coming after me every time I slowed down for less than five minutes You know or for more than five minutes. I would be like, you know what? I don't want to deal with the fight with you right now So yeah, I helped create that so don't even try it.
I obviously know how it works. You know working I know it's shortcomings blah blah blah blah. Yeah, it's it's all right, you know, I was kind of like he wasn't gonna shoot him anyway I mean they developed a but grudging respect for each other on the moon. I'm assuming that's gonna, you know carry over soon Yeah, I kind of asked some thoughts as well about what might what this might mean, you know, it seemed like this week They were going out of the way to humanize the about I agree.
I agree. Yeah, it's almost like I'm like Oh god, is he coming on next year to try to replace Rory and you know, I hope not I hope it's just I was kind of thinking about what they're doing here My thought didn't go to be a replacement on on the legends team because that would I don't think there's not a comic precedence for reverse Flash being any sort of like anti-heroes there None none. Okay, so that's what I was thinking because you know They're doing all this stuff like the way they talk about because you know Ray Ray and Ibar really kind of have this moment Where he's like he puts two and two together your time aberration The reason why you had to run all the time is because you're being hunted you don't want to die You know, he mentions Caitlin in Cisco Ebar does and so you know, he's it's it's there's a lot of stuff in there to kind of like You know make people sympathize with him And I'm trying to think is this something that they're trying to do because they want to bring him back and have him be more Developed on the flash because I I really don't want Ebar to be a quote good guy Like he wave I get it, you know, he's kind of there He's just going with the flow because he's he way right care But you are is like a supervillain to the nth degree and part of his thing is always destroyed very Alan Why would he be out gallivanting around with a bunch of losers fixing time operations? And I get and I'm I agree with that wholeheartedly I mean I kind of talked about this on my other show because I do kind of do a little bit on flash and stuff like that And I'm kind of done with speedsters as a villain for a while like I really hope next season just to get off a little bit topic I really hope next season on flash they maybe do a rogue season or something else because I you know, it's like every year It's a speedster who's not known to us and human very much fight and very must get faster than this speedster You know now they've kind of washerd's repeat like three times on this.
I'm ready for something else on flash So I you know as much as I like to see Ebar back over there and one one or two episodes of him next season over That would be great. I'm kind of ready for them not to have just the big bad be another speedster It's like kind of stretch yourself out a little bit, you know, Superman fights a lesser He doesn't have the same power. It's not like it's a bizarro fight every week, right? Yeah, I would like to see the rogues, you know, that's that's exactly what I want to see I'm like there are 11 rogues.
I did account. There's 11 rogues. So there's 11 episodes right there Well, yeah, I didn't mix it. Yeah, exactly mix and match and you can throw in any of our one So there's 12 I mean for me.
I think Savitar probably is some form of cadavera and I think it involves HR I've now changed my I thought it was Wally and I'm like wait a second I think HR is abracadavera and I think that's involving Savitar because he knew too much But besides that I just would like to see something new on flash that be it said if they move So if they weren't gonna use the about every week over there because they're doing something else and they put him over here for a while I'd kind of be okay with that, you know, I just because I do like the actor. Yeah, I like the character You know, I like him better as the about then, you know, I like Harrison Wells being Harrison Wells at the about me Yeah, this is my kind of you ever so so are you saying like the HR that we see now is like a like it's like his whole like Presence is like under other spell because of abracadaver because they did It's a it's Dave Dismulchin from like he's the the Joker thug in the dark knight that Harvey almost shoots I Didn't know they cast it in abracadaver than that any but he is but he is from earth 19 But it but you'll I'm pretty sure you'll see him and HR in the same in the same room Uh-huh, but they could still do that because HR doesn't he could be wearing HR space He said I took over my partners, you know, what if this guy killed what if ever could ever kill HR and took HR over? This is a flash TV talk now, but you know in my thinking I because every kid ever is the only road They really haven't brought out and I mean, he's not a rogue. He's kind of tangential, but then I'd love to see then Okay, fine.
There wasn't really a speedster. It was some sort of like, you know Even better if it was a magic trick of of abracadaver the whole way around in sabotage didn't really exist I think that would be great, but be that as a man I could see I could see a part be in on legends And you know, that's kind of the only thing I could think of for them to humanize him a bit is you know Because we want our villains to be a little mustache twirly especially the big ones like you've our thought and things like that, you know I don't want them to be good. He needs to be evil. Yeah.
Yeah, let's think that's like, you know a good villain thinks he's the good guy You know, there's always that kind of a Mentally with with really good villains is that they believe that what they're doing is right, you know, it's wrong You know, and maybe they could do that route with it. It's like, you know, it's They're humanizing him in an aspect so that when he's doing these evil things. It's hard for us to just straight up hate him It's like that's like I mean, it's like a part such a good guy, but he kills people all the time It's like come on you bar Find some way to you know control him. It could be ripped get something on him And he's got like like a suicide squad device where it's like, you know, if you get out of line I'm gonna blow your head up, you know, but you're gonna help us with this because you know something about this Yeah, keep you and we'll keep you from the the black flash, you know Well, that could be what we do is right there.
We have a way to block the black flash, but you got to run with us Yeah, right? Yeah, so yeah, and so you've got somebody on the ship who's always, you know He's not there because he wants to be or chooses to be he's there because he's being forced to be so that adds a layer of drama to it Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's a bit. Yeah, it sounds a bit more like speculatory If well, if anything I would see that um Malcolm would be the more the turn to the good guy Sort of thing because he's helped out Oliver in the past Because of thea all the all the other ones they're there too They're too bad to be the term good.
Yeah, that's true But yeah, well there was one more thing we got to talk about before we move on from the episode talking points But uh, so there's we've had you know, we were mentioning the cargo bay doors and venting everything and uh, Spanish deal met an unfortunate doom And so that's another personal loss for the crew this season when there's already been so many And this has some implications there and there's some things that we need to talk about But I think in order to do that we need to move on because it's time for speculation Alright, so with the loss of Henry Vixen finding out her future with her granddaughter. Eobard wants to escape non-existence Ray wants a jean back Stein wants to protect his daughter rips wife and sons their sister Leonard snart every member of the crew really wants a change in history And what do we have is the big Macguffin of this of this season is the spear of destiny which can change reality So what does this mean for the spear? There's so many people who want to use it good guys and bad How what's what's gonna happen? Do we think there's going to be a situation where the the legends collect it and then they're gonna have infighting on how how to use it?
I mean, will they use it at all? What do you think is gonna happen? There's so many possibilities here so many people that could use it to benefit themselves Uh, where are we gonna go from here? I think I think it is gonna get used and I think I'm gonna this might not be the greatest idea, but I think Mick is gonna be the one that uses it Because that way because that way Leonard would be back, but nothing else it's a chain spoilers.
I mean he's back next week Yeah, that is true. So we but I mean we could still it would still probably make the The best for TV in most sense to have Mick have the spear of destiny and use it Just because it would be awesome. Yeah. Yeah, and there's less repercussions if he just brings snart back I think that some of the other things that could happen well I could see Mick actually going that extra step and being like well, I'm here You know, let's bring backwards, you know, like he's been fighting alongside these guys So I could see him saying Sarah sister and all and just wackadoo's history something fierce And since I think they had knowledge of I mean this got renewed early this year Everybody got renewed a little early this year Part of me wonders if they're not gonna try to do some sort of cliffhanger and use the spirit destiny like in the last five minutes of the episode Oh, yeah, you know and be like, you know, so we have another flashpoint and what's it gonna mean for flash?
What's it gonna mean for because I mean I think legends. Oh, no, there's arrows still So they really can't change history like they did on you know without impacting arrow So I don't know but I think they're gonna use it too I think I don't think you can't not use it at this point You kind of sold this thing is pretty awesome But I mean so how do you use it in a way because I you know, I was talking on flash to be talking about this And if they use the spirit destiny like what Bo is saying is that they do is that you know e-bark gets it uses it and says I exist And that's it and that that's all that that's all he says is I exist now It doesn't doesn't change the fact that Eddie's still dead. It's just Eabard thawn exists And then poofy's magically back and everything else can remain the same Do you think that's a route they're gonna go with it? They're gonna they're gonna do it in such a way that it doesn't impact any of the other shows because you're right Well, I mean there's arrow there's flash there's always repercussions that can happen depending on what they do Even on legends itself like they could you know rewrite some of the stuff that they've done That's why I'm kind of wondering what they're gonna do that if they're gonna go around where it's like hey, you know what?
let's just Really really really make up in this and take bring back do whatever in a way that is completely Separate from the other shows that doesn't really affect them. It would bring stuff back without affecting flash more without affecting anything on arrow Do you think they're gonna go there route? I think they're gonna do something. I mean they're going to vanishing point next week according to the According to the preview.
Okay, so that could be a part of it too I mean what if they are do the time masters being gone and if you bring Eabard back What does that do to see you can't just bring Eabard back without you know? It's the ability to alter reality But I don't think you could just say you know, I magically I you have art now magically exists without any sort of family You know the reason I don't exist is my family doesn't exist So he has to bring back, you know, Eddie and he has to I would think it's not just a time I don't know it's tough to say Yeah, you were reality I mean, how do you think that if they do end up using it? They do make changes that these are gonna be sweeping changes and they're gonna do it in a way that it doesn't poke any of the other shows I don't think it's gonna be a universe tv universe wide change. I think it's just gonna be something that's Just in the legends universe I just I'm asking because like, you know with the example of like kept it cold you want to back on flash You know, if they bring dynamite or not dynamite but laurel back, you know that that impacts arrow The the same way that every time they change history nothing else changes on flash arrow.
Good point. Yeah That is true. That is true And we have how many episodes left after this one 14 3 3 so yeah, we're getting very close to the end of season 2 Very close very close. So there's not too much left really for you know time for them to kind of Figure out what's going on.
So I think this the next couple episodes are gonna be are all gonna be important There's all there's not gonna be anything like that's going on. So we're gonna get some answers to these questions pretty soon And I know we talked a little bit about this earlier about eobard there, but because of this whole redemption angle for eobard, I mean, I just don't know like They can't get rid of eobard because he's you know, the first flash He's a very important villain in the flash universe But if they're not doing any my question here is this are they setting up eobard and building his character on this show So they can bring him like to flash or so that they can use him in some way on legends in season 3 And I know we talked about a little bit more we'll go into a little bit more detail Kyle Do you think they're gonna bring it back on flash or do you think they're gonna try to utilize him Season 3 legends. Oh, they're gonna utilize them more on flash. That's where I mean that's where his roots are so to say So they're I think they're gearing up to bring him back so that I mean there's always gonna be Someone to fight Barry at any turn if they want to do.
Yeah And well, I think you already kind of talked about it, but uh, yeah, so I mean I would like to see him come back to flash They're kind of tying these two shows together. They're putting them right after one another on Tuesdays So I guess it's less of a stretch to think that flash people would watch legends And so they do they're gonna they're gonna it's not like this this character development that we have on legends is necessarily wasted Because the two shows are kind of you know linked there in that regard as far as the time slot way So hopefully this means that we're gonna bring back eobard on flash That's what I would hope But yeah, if they try to rope into legends season 3 as a legend and he's gonna be gallivanting around fixing history I don't think that's gonna be good. I think that's that's outside of his character Just a bit of a conversation of it. Yeah, it was just an idea.
I had I was like, I'm wondering if they're trying to you know But you're probably direct. I mean, I don't know though because we get a people like this humanized eobard Maybe they'd be like, yeah, you know, I'd be fine with him being an antihero and I'd be like no I'm not I want to find these people and I want to say no and just shake them You know the CW is gonna see w and if they can ship it they will and so maybe they'll ship Maybe they'll ship eobard and rip or something. I don't know because we'd love triangle Eel rip Yeah, eel rip rip rip rip a bard But yeah, so uh, I think that's that's that's some good speculation that we got going on there and now for the best and most favorite as part of the show It's mixed quarter of the week So yeah, I noticed that this was they were much more conversational this week He really didn't have like just one off. They were always in conversation with somebody else.
Wait, so I got I got to add one in here Okay, so one that I that I noticed Was uh this wait haircut on the moon Okay, that's not the early departed friend Kyle All right, so uh Kyle if you would be so kind as to read the potential mix quote of the weeks for this week All right, I'm gonna do the one that you just did first and then I'll rock paper scissors You guys whoever wants to do the non-mic quotes for the other one Uh Wait haircuts on the moon We're headed to Houston 1970. Yeah, Elvis at the astro dome Then we're gonna rescue my grandfather Then Elvis All right, so I don't know I I I watched the part of the episode and uh I missed it the first time completely in the second the second watch time. Yeah, I was like, yeah, that's gotta be it Cool there you have it folks mixed quarter of the week as red by Kyle is brought to you by legends tv talk yes We can actually put something in that we need but uh Anywho that doesn't make school the week and so it looks like we're out of time But if you want to keep in touch with this while we travel the time stream here's how you can follow me on twitter at ring that bell You can follow me at Kyle crossing 89 You can follow me on twitter at wr Benson or look for the week and geek podcast and will and dim I'm the satchel podcast player i2's or google play store Also feel free to email us at legends tv talk at gmail.com and we also created a facebook page So be sure to like us there facebook.com slash legends tv talk And if you like this show check out some of the other tv talk shows super girl tv talk starfield labs and flash tv talk with bellen bow And while you're at it check us out on i2 to give us a review and we'll go ahead and read them on the show and don't forget You can download all of the tv talk podcasts on the satchel podcast player And even this show is now on the google play in the podcast section And all uh special thanks to charlie bock for making our bumps and howtromusic Uh, you can check out the rest of this stuff at soundcloud.com slash charlie bop And as always your state class at you hits